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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. This night, your weekend off the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning news YAP and welcome to News Dogs eDV.

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Speaker 2: Jack tam with you on News Talks V through the

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Speaker 2: midday today local election ballot Day. Get excited New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: the day we've all been looking forward to, the day

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Speaker 2: we've been counting down to the day we've had circled

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Speaker 2: on our calendars for so many months. If you haven't

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Speaker 2: cast your vote yet, please do. You've got a couple

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Speaker 2: of hours to do it. I think midday close up,

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Speaker 2: the poles close up. So if you've been waiting and

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Speaker 2: waiting and putting it off and you haven't yet read

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Speaker 2: the candidates book, now is the time to do it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to warn you too many times this morning,

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Speaker 2: but get a rigg along. You know how the Brits

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Speaker 2: do comedy best. I just reckon they always have, whether

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Speaker 2: it's panel shows, whether it's a sketch comedy, there's just

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Speaker 2: something about British humor that has that extra little bit

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Speaker 2: of magic. Anyway, you know, the show the Traitors that

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Speaker 2: we had here that Paul Henry was hosting. Well, the

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Speaker 2: Brits are doing a celebrity version of the Traders and

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Speaker 2: just wait until you hear who they've got lined up

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Speaker 2: for it. So Stephen Fry is going to be on it.

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Speaker 2: Alan Carr is going to be on it. It is

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Speaker 2: going to be absolutely hilarious. Our screen time expert has

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Speaker 2: seen it, so she's going to give us all the

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Speaker 2: details for where you can see the British version of

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Speaker 2: the Celebrity Traitors. After ten o'clock this morning, our feature

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Speaker 2: interview is a Kiwi museoh making waves. His name is

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Speaker 2: Sam Cullen. He's going to perform live in studio, so

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Speaker 2: really looking forward to that. Before ten o'clock, a delicious

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Speaker 2: asparagus and chedda fratata to make the most of that

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Speaker 2: in season asparagus. Right now, our cook will be here

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Speaker 2: very soon. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

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Speaker 3: Check team.

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Speaker 2: So the All Whites were playing Poland yesterday in the

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Speaker 2: build up for next year's Football World Cup. I saw

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Speaker 2: about half of the game and although we ultimately lost,

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Speaker 2: my main takeaway was that we looked all right. We

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Speaker 2: looked all right. Maybe not quite ruthless enough in front

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Speaker 2: of goal. But we looked all right. You see, all

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Speaker 2: whites teams of old would have faced potential humiliation in

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Speaker 2: a game against Poland, like you know, seven or eight

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Speaker 2: goals down, but not this team. So yep, it was

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Speaker 2: a defeat, but a one nil defeat. I think we

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Speaker 2: left where our heads held high. Anyway, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: I was also struck during the game by one of

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Speaker 2: the challenges that led to a yellow cart in the

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Speaker 2: way in which the players reacted. Now, to be clear,

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Speaker 2: there was nothing special about this tackle, right, That wasn't

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Speaker 2: a particularly unique moment or anything like that. It was

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Speaker 2: a heavy, clumsy challenge, but one which happens in every

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Speaker 2: top tier football game, and you know, probably every Sunday

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Speaker 2: So the tackle came in the ref blue is whistle

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Speaker 2: and in a moment, players from both teams immediately crowded

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Speaker 2: them out. And I just don't get it. I don't

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Speaker 2: understand why football, of all sports, lets players rush the referee,

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Speaker 2: getting right up in their face to theatrically plead innocence,

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Speaker 2: or insists that an opponent should be more harshly sentenced. Sure,

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Speaker 2: the rule state that players can be penalized for descent,

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Speaker 2: but it happens so rarely. It is such a rare

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Speaker 2: event that you see a football referee actually penalize a

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Speaker 2: players rush the ref all the time in top level games,

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Speaker 2: get that sport is emotional, right, but it's a curious

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Speaker 2: exercise to compare what football will generally allow players to

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Speaker 2: rugby there is absolutely no way that referees would stand

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Speaker 2: players get it pretty quickly. And American football, you know NFL,

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Speaker 2: That's it, and they have tried similar things in football.

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Speaker 2: They've had a couple of trials in recent years. They

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Speaker 2: rules where only captains could approach referees, but so far

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Speaker 2: One of the concerns is that cracking down on player

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Speaker 2: treatment of referees will suppress some of the emotion in

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know, I reckon. By

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Speaker 2: they've ended up incentivizing histrionic behavior, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Think about it, right, If a player makes a heavy

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Speaker 2: trying to get them punished. It's kind of like an

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Speaker 2: arms race, right. You have to match your opponent's outrage,

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Speaker 2: and that only incentivizes more and more and more drama.

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Speaker 2: It only incentivizes the whole team to rush over to

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Speaker 2: the referee. Football is, as far as team sports go,

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Speaker 2: near perfect in my view. It is such a wonderful sport.

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Speaker 2: It is beautifully simple. The barriers to entry are basically nonexistent.

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Speaker 2: The scope for creativity and flair is vast. But if

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Speaker 2: there is one way the beautiful game might be improved

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Speaker 2: just a little bit, I reckon it's the way that

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Speaker 2: players treat the referee. Jack two two is our text number.

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Speaker 2: forget the standard text costs supply and yes, the news

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Speaker 2: this morning or late last night. Rather, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: not winning the Nobel Peace Prize at least this year.

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Speaker 2: And I know you might be wondering what I think

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Speaker 2: I just think, you know, as with everything, the proof

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Speaker 2: I reckon the really difficult stuff will be a bit

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Speaker 2: I reckon that stuff will be really tricky, like what

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Speaker 2: But but but but but but all that being said,

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Speaker 2: I just don't think anyone could say that this week's

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Speaker 2: good for the Palestinian people, good for the world. I

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Speaker 2: think it's really good. And you know, it's taken far,

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Speaker 2: far too long to get to this point. In my view,

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Speaker 2: the scale of the destruction and the and the civilian

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Speaker 2: deaths has been just totally grotesque. But by the sounds

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Speaker 2: of things, Donald Trump and the White House had a

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Speaker 2: meaningful role to play in brokering the ceasefire, so fair

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Speaker 2: play to them too. It might have come too late,

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 2: Jack says Teva soccer is the only sport to have

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Speaker 2: multiple actors who are better than Hollywood stars. I don't

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Speaker 2: know Tva. I actually don't think that. I think they

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Speaker 2: do a lot of acting, but I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: very good at acting in football. That's my thing. But

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Speaker 2: you know how it used to be the thing that

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Speaker 2: still a bit of that in football, probably a bit

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Speaker 2: too much of it. But I just I reckon this

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Speaker 2: is actually lower hanging fruit, like an easier change. The

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Speaker 2: thing is that when they come up, when they rush

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Speaker 2: the referee. They get right into the ref's face, like

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Speaker 2: sometimes they can be fifteen centimeters away. It would just

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Speaker 2: be totally unacceptable in most other sports. I just don't

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Speaker 2: don't really get why it's still okay in football anyway.

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Speaker 2: More of your feedback in a few minutes. Ninety two.

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Speaker 5: I would have thought the football authorities, if they wanted to,

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Speaker 5: to want to. I remember this fast over diving, and

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Speaker 5: they were going to penalize anybody that was considered to

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Speaker 2: To They do they do, They do penalize, and they

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Speaker 2: It doesn't happen that much. I reckon they've toned. I

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Speaker 2: reckon diving in football has toned down a little bit

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Speaker 2: There's still too much. There's still too much diving. But no,

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Speaker 2: they could, they absolutely could cut They could crack down

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Speaker 2: on this if they wanted, and they have done trials

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Speaker 2: in the last few years they have done trials. So

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Speaker 2: the governing body for footballing rules have done trials to

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Speaker 2: try and get people to give the reffs a bit

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Speaker 2: of a easier time, and then they decided not to introduce it.

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Speaker 2: Apparently the big leagues don't want to introduce it because

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Speaker 2: they think it sucks the emotion out of the game.

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Speaker 2: But I just, yeah, I reckon.

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Speaker 5: It's oh, there isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you can see how it's a kind of

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Speaker 2: an arms race, right, so the moment both teams Russian.

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Speaker 5: It's just yes, I totally understand that there's a very

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Speaker 5: good analogy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But you know, if the authority is going to

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Speaker 5: say it takes the emotion out of the game, then

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Speaker 5: basically they're saying, we don't care if the players confront

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Speaker 5: the referee. It's all part of the fun.

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Speaker 2: Would you say that the emotions been taken out of rubbing?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't, so, I just I

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Speaker 2: think it's I think it's silly anyway. A couple of

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Speaker 2: quotes from famous people this week, Keven, have surprised you

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Speaker 5: A couple of great quotes came to light this week.

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Speaker 5: The first wasn't actually spoken this week, but emerged in

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Speaker 5: the coverage of the death of Jane Goodall, who taught

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Speaker 5: us all about primates in the wild. Jane Goodall had

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks Evy.

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Speaker 2: Harry's got some strong views Jack football. Hollywood's ought to

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we are living in another reality, aren't we Never

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Speaker 7: I heard your comments. Look, it should have been stamped

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, absolutely all right, enjoy games this afternoon and

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Speaker 2: from Yorkshire and she's heading to New Zealand Eary next

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Speaker 2: year for a special performance in Auckland. You might remember

432
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Speaker 2: in July our music reviewer brought Billy Martin to our attention.

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Speaker 2: Certainly for me it was the first time and she

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Speaker 2: gave her album dog Heed a ten out of ten.

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Speaker 2: She reckoned it was fantastic. I've listened to dog Ed

436
00:23:48,573 --> 00:23:50,573
Speaker 2: once or twice now too, I reckon it's amazing. So

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Speaker 2: really really exciting to have Billy Martin coming to New

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Speaker 2: Zealand very soon. Hey, thank you for your feedback, Jack.

439
00:23:56,373 --> 00:23:59,613
Speaker 2: Regarding football, getting up as close as they do is

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Speaker 2: not acceptable in any circumstances. To me, it gives other

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00:24:02,933 --> 00:24:06,613
Speaker 2: generations permission to behave in the same way. I absolutely

442
00:24:06,773 --> 00:24:09,213
Speaker 2: loathe it. Yeah, this is the thing I think about

443
00:24:09,213 --> 00:24:11,213
Speaker 2: the most popular leagues in the world, and whether it's

444
00:24:11,253 --> 00:24:13,453
Speaker 2: international football or whether it's the English Premier League or

445
00:24:13,493 --> 00:24:16,573
Speaker 2: La Liga or whatever, you see it all across those

446
00:24:16,573 --> 00:24:22,013
Speaker 2: big leagues jam and even though referees do have apparently

447
00:24:23,333 --> 00:24:28,853
Speaker 2: sufficient scope to penalize players for descent, very rarely do

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00:24:28,933 --> 00:24:31,613
Speaker 2: they actually do it. Jack red, card them straight away,

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00:24:31,693 --> 00:24:33,573
Speaker 2: get them off. As far as I'm concerned, I wonder

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Speaker 2: if anyone disagrees with me, If anyone thinks that actually

451
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Speaker 2: it's good that players can get up in referee faces,

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Speaker 2: I would like to hear an argument for it. Ninety

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Speaker 2: two ninety two is our text number if you want

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Speaker 2: to get in touch. This morning. Francesca Rudkin, our film reviewer,

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Speaker 2: has two interesting sounding films for us this week. She's

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Speaker 2: with us now, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning. Hey.

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Speaker 2: Let's begin with Scarlett Johansson's directorial debut. This is Eleanor

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Speaker 2: the Great.

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Speaker 3: I'm ninety four years old and I'm moving to Manhattan

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Speaker 3: for the first time today.

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Speaker 4: That my condolences.

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Speaker 3: What am I going to do here all day?

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Speaker 8: Along?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's Eleanor the Great? Tell us about it, Francisca, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So I don't think it's a huge surprise that Skeleton

467
00:25:22,933 --> 00:25:25,853
Speaker 9: Hanson has decided to go behind the camera. I mean,

468
00:25:25,893 --> 00:25:27,813
Speaker 9: she has been she grew up on film, since she's

469
00:25:27,853 --> 00:25:30,253
Speaker 9: been on them since she was a kid, and it's

470
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Speaker 9: lovely to see her kind of heading in a different

471
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Speaker 9: direction and new direction, because I think she's got a

472
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Speaker 9: lot to offer and she's picked a really interesting story here.

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Speaker 9: I think she's done some very good casting with June's

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Speaker 9: Squib who plays Elanor. And Eleanor is ninety four and

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Speaker 9: June Squib was ninety four when she signed on to

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Speaker 9: make this film.

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Speaker 3: And she lives in.

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Speaker 9: Florida with her best friend Bessie played by Rita's Oha,

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Speaker 9: and they have been friends for about seven decades and

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00:26:01,533 --> 00:26:04,293
Speaker 9: when their husbands died quite a while ago, they ended

481
00:26:04,373 --> 00:26:07,293
Speaker 9: up living together and they literally so cute. They literally

482
00:26:07,293 --> 00:26:09,613
Speaker 9: share a room together. They've got their single beds, and

483
00:26:09,653 --> 00:26:11,853
Speaker 9: they share their lives and they've sort of managed to

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Speaker 9: fill the grief of losing their partners by, you know,

485
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Speaker 9: this wonderful friendship that they have. And then Bessie passes away,

486
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Speaker 9: which just leaves this huge hole in Eleanor's life. And

487
00:26:23,893 --> 00:26:26,773
Speaker 9: this is very much a film about grief and loneliness,

488
00:26:26,813 --> 00:26:29,693
Speaker 9: and her daughter moves her to New York to be

489
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Speaker 9: nearer to her and her grandson. And when she gets there,

490
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Speaker 9: she befriends this young college student called Nina played by

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Speaker 9: Erin Kellyman, who was also really lovely in this role.

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Speaker 9: And she's a young girl, she's mostly been at boarding school.

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00:26:42,573 --> 00:26:44,213
Speaker 9: She's come back to be with her father. Her mother

494
00:26:44,293 --> 00:26:47,253
Speaker 9: passed away recently, and she also is really struggling with

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Speaker 9: that loss. And so this is kind of one of

496
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Speaker 9: those interage friendship stories, and the two of them kind

497
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Speaker 9: of get together. Anne Law is fabulous. She is a

498
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Speaker 9: very sassy, slightly acerbic New Yorker. She even at ninety four,

499
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Speaker 9: doesn't pretend to be anyone than who she really is.

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Speaker 9: And Nina's very kind of quite a lost young woman.

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00:27:07,573 --> 00:27:10,493
Speaker 9: And they build this beautiful friendship and it's lovely watching

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Speaker 9: them kind of go out into the streets of New

503
00:27:12,813 --> 00:27:15,453
Speaker 9: York and and sort of, you know, had this time

504
00:27:15,493 --> 00:27:18,373
Speaker 9: together and things. But the relationship Jack is built on

505
00:27:18,413 --> 00:27:21,573
Speaker 9: this terrible lie. And this is where maybe the premis

506
00:27:21,613 --> 00:27:22,933
Speaker 9: gets a little bit shaky for me.

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Speaker 3: Eleanor.

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00:27:24,413 --> 00:27:30,453
Speaker 9: Yeah, so Eleanor accidentally ends up in a group at

509
00:27:30,533 --> 00:27:33,533
Speaker 9: the local sit of Jewish Center where she thinks she's

510
00:27:33,573 --> 00:27:35,813
Speaker 9: going to do a singing class or something, and she

511
00:27:35,933 --> 00:27:40,693
Speaker 9: ends up in this group of Holocaust survivors and Bessie

512
00:27:40,773 --> 00:27:43,933
Speaker 9: was a Holocaust survivor, and she finds herself sharing Bessie's

513
00:27:43,933 --> 00:27:46,853
Speaker 9: story but passing it off as her own, and so

514
00:27:46,933 --> 00:27:49,373
Speaker 9: a lot of these new relationships that she builds. This

515
00:27:49,413 --> 00:27:51,653
Speaker 9: is where she also meets Nina. She's a student wanting

516
00:27:51,653 --> 00:27:53,493
Speaker 9: to do a story on this, and so a lot

517
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Speaker 9: of these new relationships that she's found in New York

518
00:27:57,013 --> 00:27:59,133
Speaker 9: is based on this really terrible life. And I'm just

519
00:27:59,413 --> 00:28:01,413
Speaker 9: not sure if in twenty twenty five, I believe that

520
00:28:01,493 --> 00:28:04,413
Speaker 9: somebody would do that and would situate the lie as

521
00:28:04,453 --> 00:28:06,373
Speaker 9: long as that So it gets a little bit mess

522
00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:12,373
Speaker 9: see but look beautiful performance by Jones Squibb. I think

523
00:28:12,493 --> 00:28:15,373
Speaker 9: it's it's a it's a lovely reminder that actually none

524
00:28:15,413 --> 00:28:18,933
Speaker 9: of us are perfect, and that life is not necessarily

525
00:28:19,053 --> 00:28:22,773
Speaker 9: easier or more clear cut as we age, we still

526
00:28:22,813 --> 00:28:25,413
Speaker 9: make make mistakes and things. So it's a really ambitious

527
00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:26,093
Speaker 9: little data.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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00:28:26,733 --> 00:28:29,773
Speaker 9: I think some of it's really loving and really promising.

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00:28:29,893 --> 00:28:33,053
Speaker 9: Just I just was found the premise is a little problematic.

531
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Okay. That's Eleanor the Great directed by Scarlett Johansson.

532
00:28:36,893 --> 00:28:38,893
Speaker 2: So that showing at the movies right now. Our next

533
00:28:39,013 --> 00:28:41,853
Speaker 2: film is showing on Apple TV Plus. This is The

534
00:28:41,973 --> 00:28:42,533
Speaker 2: Lost Bus.

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Speaker 8: It's another dry and windy day and Paradise.

536
00:28:46,533 --> 00:28:52,053
Speaker 10: He's the old drivers or the situation avolving ponder rosa elementary.

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Speaker 11: There are twenty three years a friend.

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Speaker 3: Is there anybody in the area? I can?

539
00:29:03,493 --> 00:29:05,253
Speaker 2: Okay. This has got some big names in it too,

540
00:29:05,293 --> 00:29:08,573
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey and America Farreira in The Lost Bus.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so this is not a relaxing night in. This

542
00:29:11,653 --> 00:29:12,973
Speaker 9: is screening on Apple Plus.

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Speaker 10: This is based on the truth story. You warning, Yeah,

544
00:29:17,133 --> 00:29:17,933
Speaker 10: this is based.

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Speaker 9: On the true story of the twenty eighteen campfire. Is

546
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Speaker 9: the deadliest wildfire in Californian history. Eighty five people died.

547
00:29:25,733 --> 00:29:29,213
Speaker 9: Pacific Gas and Electric ended up playing about thirteen point

548
00:29:29,253 --> 00:29:32,653
Speaker 9: five billion in compensation took responsibility for the spar Kevin

549
00:29:32,733 --> 00:29:36,253
Speaker 9: McKay played by baccana. He is this guy who's returned

550
00:29:36,293 --> 00:29:38,213
Speaker 9: home to Paradise. He's looking after his mother. He's got

551
00:29:38,253 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 9: his fifteen year old son with him, who hates him.

552
00:29:40,173 --> 00:29:44,413
Speaker 9: He's really struggling to make ends meet, and this fire starts,

553
00:29:44,493 --> 00:29:47,293
Speaker 9: it's heading in a different direction, suddenly turns back the paradise,

554
00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,533
Speaker 9: and he has given this, he has given this up.

555
00:29:49,573 --> 00:29:51,893
Speaker 9: She's the only He's a school bus driver and he

556
00:29:52,013 --> 00:29:54,093
Speaker 9: is the only bus in the area where there are

557
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Speaker 9: twenty four kids who need to be picked up.

558
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Speaker 3: And he has to make the decision going do.

559
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Speaker 9: I go and save my son and my mum or

560
00:30:00,493 --> 00:30:02,173
Speaker 9: do I go and save these kids? And he goes

561
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Speaker 9: and saves these kids and ends up with Mary, this

562
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Speaker 9: teacher played by American Pharah, and the two of them

563
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Speaker 9: have to battle their way through the fire. It is terrifying.

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Speaker 3: It is absolutely terrifying.

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Speaker 9: Paul green Gas is an absolutely amazing job yet of

566
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Speaker 9: putting us in the middle of this fire. It is

567
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Speaker 9: so traumatic, but it is just a gorgeous story of

568
00:30:19,813 --> 00:30:21,413
Speaker 9: ordinary people doing a courageous thing.

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Speaker 3: So well, we to watch.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool. So that's the Lost Bus that's on Apple TV.

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Speaker 2: Plus Francesca's first film. The one director by Scarlett Johansson

572
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Speaker 2: is Eleanor the Great that's on at the movies and

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Speaker 2: both of those films, and all the details for those

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Speaker 2: films will be up at the news talks EDB website

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Speaker 2: and so no. The Intrepid British and Irish Film Festival

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Speaker 2: is back for its third edition. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: screening across the country from the twenty ninth of October

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Speaker 2: through to November nineteenth, and it's got an incredible lineup

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Speaker 2: of titles. Heaps of star power films featuring the likes

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Speaker 2: of Emma Thompson, Bill Nigh, Ralph Fines, so heaps of

581
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Speaker 2: really really interesting films. We've got tickets up for grabs.

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Speaker 2: So to be in the drawer for a double pass

583
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Speaker 2: to the Intrepid British and Irish Film Festival, go to

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Speaker 2: news talks 'b dot co dot nz slash.

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Speaker 1: Win Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going

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Speaker 1: through the weekend. Us talks ed be.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen minutes to ten on news talks ed be. If

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Speaker 2: you're looking for a creative little recipe, something season or

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Speaker 2: something delicious, snicky wax, our cook has the recipe for

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Speaker 2: you this week and she's with us now killed again.

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Speaker 10: Good morning, good morning. Yes, it is the It is

592
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Speaker 10: the time for those beautiful green spears.

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Speaker 2: I love the spar Yes, yes, I love them.

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Speaker 12: Are you a fan or.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what?

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Speaker 10: I think?

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Speaker 2: I've said this before when I was growing up my parents,

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Speaker 2: who are amazing each of them are amazing cooks. But

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Speaker 2: in my earlier years, I think that the way that

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00:31:51,773 --> 00:31:55,453
Speaker 2: they made asparagus the sort of I don't think they

601
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Speaker 2: boiled it, but it sort of had a slightly stewed

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Speaker 2: quality when we heed it our place, and you'd you'd

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Speaker 2: be killing it and be like you'd be pulling the

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00:32:02,973 --> 00:32:06,613
Speaker 2: individual strings of it, kind of flossing with its days

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Speaker 2: there afterwards. And so but then when I was about,

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Speaker 2: do you know what, I actually have this this kind

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00:32:12,293 --> 00:32:15,853
Speaker 2: of seminal asparagus memory. I remember, for the first time

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Speaker 2: in my life having had asparagus that had just been

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Speaker 2: very very quickly roasted in butter. And I remember eating

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Speaker 2: it and being like, oh my god, that is not

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Speaker 2: how I've been eating asparagus. And I can remember where

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Speaker 2: I was. I can remember where I was sitting at

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Speaker 2: the table when I ate it. It was so delicious,

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Speaker 2: you know that is the moment?

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Speaker 10: Was that in New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: It was it was actually I was I was staying

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Speaker 2: with a friend's grandma and Charleston on the south West coast.

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Speaker 2: I literally remember where I was sitting at the table.

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Speaker 10: Great, I love it. I mean my life is full

620
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Speaker 10: of those food memories because you know, you do associate

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Speaker 10: them with where you were and who you were with

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Speaker 10: or whatever. Yeah, well that is the way to cook

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Speaker 10: them is not to murder them. They do go stringy.

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Speaker 10: And also your parents might have been I wonder if

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00:32:59,293 --> 00:33:00,813
Speaker 10: they were also trying to save a bit of money.

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Speaker 2: I think they probably were. And to be fair to

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Speaker 2: my parents, they have the way they cook asparagus now

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Speaker 2: as much come along closer to the.

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Speaker 10: Line, that's right. I mean that was back in the

630
00:33:09,653 --> 00:33:11,173
Speaker 10: days when we also cooked avacada.

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Speaker 2: We can forget it all right now.

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Speaker 10: Look, I think asparagus goes really well with eggs, So

633
00:33:16,773 --> 00:33:19,053
Speaker 10: you'll often find sort of a nice poached egg, which

634
00:33:19,133 --> 00:33:22,613
Speaker 10: is not my stick at all on an asparagus. But

635
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Speaker 10: I've put it in a fratata here because I like

636
00:33:24,693 --> 00:33:27,053
Speaker 10: my eggs kind of a bit more cooked, as it were.

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00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:31,733
Speaker 10: I think asparagus goes really well with fish. So it's

638
00:33:31,813 --> 00:33:35,373
Speaker 10: so grassy and light and kind of you know, I

639
00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:37,573
Speaker 10: don't know, it's just it's earthy, you know. But it

640
00:33:37,733 --> 00:33:40,933
Speaker 10: also is very gentle in some ways as well, so

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00:33:41,093 --> 00:33:42,693
Speaker 10: you know it can be good with those sorts of things.

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00:33:42,733 --> 00:33:45,013
Speaker 10: With butter, it's great as well. Make a niseeoise salad,

643
00:33:45,053 --> 00:33:47,813
Speaker 10: but put instead of green beans, you can use asparagus.

644
00:33:48,013 --> 00:33:51,853
Speaker 10: But look, here's this fratata, so dead easy ovan on

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Speaker 10: because I'm going to cook it on top of the

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Speaker 10: stove and then I'm going to throw it in the oven.

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Speaker 10: This fratata, you'll need a nice big pan, maybe twenty

648
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Speaker 10: six centimeters. We're using five eggs, five large eggs, so

649
00:34:02,493 --> 00:34:04,213
Speaker 10: this is easy going to feed sort of four to

650
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:09,133
Speaker 10: six maybe even more people. Heat a good slot. I

651
00:34:09,253 --> 00:34:11,053
Speaker 10: use a total of about a quarter of a cup

652
00:34:11,093 --> 00:34:13,773
Speaker 10: of olive oil in this recipe. Heat half of that

653
00:34:13,933 --> 00:34:16,733
Speaker 10: in a pan and throw in a thinly sliced onion,

654
00:34:17,093 --> 00:34:19,373
Speaker 10: and you want to really cook that until it's beautiful

655
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:21,973
Speaker 10: and kind of soft. You don't necessarily need to get

656
00:34:22,013 --> 00:34:24,613
Speaker 10: lots of color on it. I'm using two big potatoes

657
00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:26,693
Speaker 10: in here. This is definitely the way the Spanish do it,

658
00:34:27,253 --> 00:34:31,373
Speaker 10: so they'll put potato in a frittata, and I instead

659
00:34:31,373 --> 00:34:34,013
Speaker 10: of cook pre cooking the potatoes instead, I just peel

660
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Speaker 10: them and then I either slice them really thinly. I'm

661
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Speaker 10: not talking about by hand. I'm probably talking about with

662
00:34:40,093 --> 00:34:43,853
Speaker 10: a mandolip or. I chopped them roughly and put them

663
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Speaker 10: in a food processor and you polse it until they're

664
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Speaker 10: kind of chopped into tiny, little pea sized pieces. They

665
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Speaker 10: haven't gone to mush, but they are really small. Because

666
00:34:52,373 --> 00:34:54,933
Speaker 10: we want these to cook in the egg. Whisk five

667
00:34:54,973 --> 00:34:58,053
Speaker 10: eggs into a big old bowl, Throw in some rosemy

668
00:34:58,053 --> 00:35:00,733
Speaker 10: about two tablespoons of fresh rose brief you've got it.

669
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Speaker 10: Good teaspoon of sea salt and quarter of a teaspoon

670
00:35:04,813 --> 00:35:07,333
Speaker 10: of cracked pepper, so lots of sea in here. And

671
00:35:07,413 --> 00:35:10,013
Speaker 10: then add your potatoes into that and toss them really well.

672
00:35:10,093 --> 00:35:13,173
Speaker 10: For each tiny little piece of that potato is getting

673
00:35:13,533 --> 00:35:15,373
Speaker 10: beautifully surrounded in the egg.

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Speaker 3: Add in your.

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Speaker 10: Softened onions from the pan, stir all that up to combine,

676
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:22,653
Speaker 10: and then heat the rest of the oil in the

677
00:35:22,733 --> 00:35:25,533
Speaker 10: back in that pan, and then pour in that beautiful mixture.

678
00:35:26,053 --> 00:35:28,173
Speaker 10: Reduce the heaterd bit hea Jack. You don't want to

679
00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:30,693
Speaker 10: split the eggs, so reduce the heat to about, you know,

680
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:33,853
Speaker 10: sort of low to medium I suppose for about ten minutes,

681
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:36,533
Speaker 10: and it'll start to just cook around the edges and

682
00:35:36,653 --> 00:35:39,333
Speaker 10: then lay your asparagus. You can chop it off if

683
00:35:39,333 --> 00:35:41,813
Speaker 10: you like, but I kind of visual appeal of putting

684
00:35:42,053 --> 00:35:45,053
Speaker 10: the long speares all across the pan. It's just beautiful,

685
00:35:45,773 --> 00:35:48,613
Speaker 10: nice big half a cup of hated cheddar use a

686
00:35:48,693 --> 00:35:52,133
Speaker 10: really good New Zealand one. I'm talking maybe Carpety. They've

687
00:35:52,173 --> 00:35:54,613
Speaker 10: got a good age cheddar berries Bay something like that.

688
00:35:55,733 --> 00:35:57,653
Speaker 10: And then so put that on the tobaco for about

689
00:35:57,693 --> 00:35:59,693
Speaker 10: twenty twenty five minutes. It'll be set in the middle,

690
00:36:00,373 --> 00:36:02,053
Speaker 10: rest it for ten minutes, and then cut it up

691
00:36:02,053 --> 00:36:05,533
Speaker 10: into lovely big weages and serve it hot or at

692
00:36:05,613 --> 00:36:08,773
Speaker 10: room temperature. It's fantastic with maybe a chutney, maybe a

693
00:36:08,813 --> 00:36:12,093
Speaker 10: little salad on the side. But it's absolutely exquisite and

694
00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:14,893
Speaker 10: really highlights that asparagus. Yeah, it's great, fantastic.

695
00:36:15,253 --> 00:36:17,653
Speaker 2: Yeah. So how's the balance between the asparagus and the

696
00:36:17,733 --> 00:36:21,253
Speaker 2: chetah because the specially yeah, yeah, there's a yeah.

697
00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:24,253
Speaker 10: Because it's nice and sharp, you know, cheer good. A

698
00:36:24,293 --> 00:36:27,413
Speaker 10: good age cheta is nice and sharp, and as I say, asparagus,

699
00:36:27,493 --> 00:36:30,373
Speaker 10: once cooked, kind of brings up a flavor. It's sort

700
00:36:30,413 --> 00:36:32,213
Speaker 10: of whole. I don't know, it's just weird. It holds

701
00:36:32,213 --> 00:36:33,653
Speaker 10: its own I always think of it. It's a little

702
00:36:33,653 --> 00:36:36,453
Speaker 10: bit like white bait. It holds its own even though

703
00:36:36,493 --> 00:36:39,533
Speaker 10: it's a delicate flavor, and I think sort of asparagus

704
00:36:39,613 --> 00:36:41,373
Speaker 10: is a little bit like that as well. You wouldn't

705
00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:43,973
Speaker 10: say that it's rich, so you can put it with

706
00:36:44,133 --> 00:36:46,653
Speaker 10: rich ingredients. You know, eggs are rich, butter is rich.

707
00:36:46,933 --> 00:36:49,253
Speaker 10: Potatoes are kind of clunky in their own way, kind

708
00:36:49,293 --> 00:36:50,093
Speaker 10: of big flavor.

709
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:51,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, it's beautiful.

710
00:36:51,853 --> 00:36:54,093
Speaker 10: It's really lovely and nice little lunch or dinner or

711
00:36:54,133 --> 00:36:54,653
Speaker 10: something like that.

712
00:36:54,893 --> 00:36:57,493
Speaker 2: So yeah, pretty good. Okay, Hey there you NICKI have

713
00:36:57,573 --> 00:37:00,213
Speaker 2: a great weekend. We'll make sure that asparagus and cheddar

714
00:37:00,213 --> 00:37:03,333
Speaker 2: Forratata recipe is up on the News talks'b website. Everything

715
00:37:03,373 --> 00:37:05,333
Speaker 2: from our show goes up there. It's really easy. You

716
00:37:05,373 --> 00:37:07,893
Speaker 2: don't ever have to be screwed notes or writing little

717
00:37:07,933 --> 00:37:10,253
Speaker 2: messages into your phone and texting yourself or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: News Talks he'd be dot co dot nz Ford slash

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Speaker 2: Jack has everything from our show, so you'd be able

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Speaker 2: to find all of Nikki's recipes, including that delicious asparagus

721
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Speaker 2: and cheddar for retarta. Right now, it is seven minutes

722
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Speaker 2: to ten.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you need to

724
00:37:27,093 --> 00:37:30,653
Speaker 1: Know Saturday morning with Jack team the newth Talks.

725
00:37:30,653 --> 00:37:33,373
Speaker 4: That'd been so many messages.

726
00:37:33,573 --> 00:37:36,653
Speaker 2: No one is arguing, Not a single person is arguing

727
00:37:36,813 --> 00:37:40,973
Speaker 2: to allow football players to continue crowding the ref this morning, Jack,

728
00:37:41,013 --> 00:37:43,413
Speaker 2: I think they should have a rule in football whereby

729
00:37:43,653 --> 00:37:46,413
Speaker 2: players who are involved in the challenge and the captain

730
00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:48,853
Speaker 2: can go up and argue their case to the ref,

731
00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:51,973
Speaker 2: as opposed to the whole team all rushing up and

732
00:37:52,053 --> 00:37:55,053
Speaker 2: acting dramatically and that way, it might mean that they

733
00:37:55,093 --> 00:37:57,053
Speaker 2: can only really do it when there's real cause, when

734
00:37:57,093 --> 00:37:59,573
Speaker 2: there's a real case to try and argue. I agree

735
00:37:59,613 --> 00:38:03,333
Speaker 2: with you on this one. Thank you for that and Jack. Technically,

736
00:38:03,373 --> 00:38:06,133
Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize period for twenty twenty five is

737
00:38:06,173 --> 00:38:09,533
Speaker 2: for actions in the period up to January thirty first,

738
00:38:09,653 --> 00:38:12,213
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. So I've had lots of messages saying

739
00:38:12,253 --> 00:38:14,133
Speaker 2: that I'm being mean to Donald Trump about not getting

740
00:38:14,173 --> 00:38:16,893
Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize. But for all of those people

741
00:38:16,933 --> 00:38:19,813
Speaker 2: who are texting me the dates for eligibility for the

742
00:38:19,853 --> 00:38:22,213
Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize, might I remind you that it's Donald

743
00:38:22,213 --> 00:38:24,653
Speaker 2: Trump who's upset about not getting it right. So for

744
00:38:24,733 --> 00:38:26,133
Speaker 2: those of you who are saying, well, they couldn't have

745
00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:29,453
Speaker 2: got it. He wasn't in office. Tell Donald Trump there,

746
00:38:30,733 --> 00:38:32,493
Speaker 2: because the White House has come out this morning and

747
00:38:32,573 --> 00:38:35,893
Speaker 2: said that it's a disgrace that he hasn't been acknowledged.

748
00:38:36,013 --> 00:38:39,813
Speaker 2: They say the Nobel Committee has put politics over peace. Anyway,

749
00:38:39,853 --> 00:38:41,893
Speaker 2: I'll get to borrow you feedback after ten o'clock our

750
00:38:41,973 --> 00:38:45,773
Speaker 2: feature interview, performing live in studio as well. Can we

751
00:38:45,973 --> 00:38:48,773
Speaker 2: muse Oh? Sam Cullen is here with us. It's always

752
00:38:48,813 --> 00:38:52,133
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning. This is

753
00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:53,093
Speaker 2: news Dog Zedvy.

754
00:39:02,653 --> 00:39:05,813
Speaker 1: It's cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning.

755
00:39:05,893 --> 00:39:08,453
Speaker 4: Lui Team News Talk, Zippy.

756
00:39:12,173 --> 00:39:19,853
Speaker 3: Alone John.

757
00:39:35,533 --> 00:39:39,413
Speaker 2: That is Kiwi muso. Sam Cullen just twenty five. He

758
00:39:39,613 --> 00:39:42,213
Speaker 2: has played the main stage with him and Binnes two

759
00:39:42,253 --> 00:39:44,613
Speaker 2: of the country on Some of Our Coolest Stages. Has

760
00:39:44,653 --> 00:39:48,053
Speaker 2: been working quietly behind the scenes to produce his debut album.

761
00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:52,093
Speaker 2: Sam Cullen's debut album is called Sam Cullen. It comes

762
00:39:52,133 --> 00:39:54,213
Speaker 2: out very soon. He's here with us this morning for

763
00:39:54,293 --> 00:39:55,573
Speaker 2: a bit of a chat, a bit of a cord

764
00:39:55,573 --> 00:39:57,733
Speaker 2: itdle and a bit of a whiter as well. Kildo,

765
00:39:57,813 --> 00:40:00,653
Speaker 2: good morning, Thanks having Oh, that's so good to see you,

766
00:40:00,933 --> 00:40:04,013
Speaker 2: and thank you for coming in person. Of course, So

767
00:40:04,413 --> 00:40:06,333
Speaker 2: so for any of our listeners for whom that was

768
00:40:06,493 --> 00:40:08,613
Speaker 2: the first Sam Cullen they've heard, I mean, first of all,

769
00:40:08,653 --> 00:40:10,453
Speaker 2: where have they been? But give us a little bit

770
00:40:10,493 --> 00:40:12,533
Speaker 2: of your story. You are from the Deep South.

771
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm from a Viicrgo, born and bread and starting

772
00:40:16,093 --> 00:40:18,973
Speaker 13: in Wellington. I live in Auckland now. Have done music

773
00:40:19,053 --> 00:40:20,733
Speaker 13: my whole life. It's kind of all I know how

774
00:40:20,733 --> 00:40:20,893
Speaker 13: to do.

775
00:40:21,053 --> 00:40:21,773
Speaker 2: How'd you get into it?

776
00:40:22,813 --> 00:40:24,493
Speaker 13: I picked up a guitar at like seven, Mom and

777
00:40:24,613 --> 00:40:27,813
Speaker 13: dad guitar for Christmas, and I'd had a babysitter and

778
00:40:27,893 --> 00:40:31,333
Speaker 13: a school teacher that played music and class and stuff.

779
00:40:31,453 --> 00:40:33,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was your first instrument.

780
00:40:33,893 --> 00:40:36,173
Speaker 13: Yeah, that was my first instrument, kind of my own instrument.

781
00:40:37,133 --> 00:40:38,813
Speaker 2: Well, but that's probably a good thing, right. So mom

782
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:41,653
Speaker 2: and dad like because they didn't do the violin route,

783
00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:44,293
Speaker 2: they mercifully avoided the recorder.

784
00:40:44,413 --> 00:40:47,253
Speaker 13: No, I did recorder. Oh okay, okay, yeah, I got

785
00:40:47,373 --> 00:40:50,453
Speaker 13: mum's through how on Saturday mornings doing a recorder a year.

786
00:40:50,733 --> 00:40:52,733
Speaker 2: Record is a useful way to learn to read music.

787
00:40:52,813 --> 00:40:54,453
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, but it's not useful for much.

788
00:40:55,853 --> 00:40:58,573
Speaker 2: It's useful for driving the rest of the household completely

789
00:40:58,613 --> 00:41:00,933
Speaker 2: out there exactly. Yeah, So talk to us a little

790
00:41:00,933 --> 00:41:03,333
Speaker 2: bit about the process for this album. You've released a

791
00:41:03,373 --> 00:41:07,573
Speaker 2: couple of EPs, but you've been working on this process

792
00:41:07,573 --> 00:41:08,053
Speaker 2: for all we were.

793
00:41:08,453 --> 00:41:09,573
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like some of the.

794
00:41:09,573 --> 00:41:12,533
Speaker 13: Songs on the album are probably five or six years old.

795
00:41:12,733 --> 00:41:16,013
Speaker 13: It's kind of been less of I'm gonna sit down

796
00:41:16,053 --> 00:41:18,413
Speaker 13: and write an album, but the last five years of

797
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:20,413
Speaker 13: my life, these are like the best songs that I've

798
00:41:20,693 --> 00:41:23,813
Speaker 13: written and aren't released yet. Nice. So it's kind of

799
00:41:23,893 --> 00:41:26,053
Speaker 13: the theme through of like coming of age at injuring

800
00:41:26,053 --> 00:41:30,013
Speaker 13: adulthood and all that sort of stuff. So I'm pretty

801
00:41:30,013 --> 00:41:31,333
Speaker 13: proud of it. I'm excited to have it out.

802
00:41:31,493 --> 00:41:31,693
Speaker 6: Yeah.

803
00:41:31,773 --> 00:41:33,773
Speaker 2: Nice. You're a rock Quest kid.

804
00:41:34,213 --> 00:41:34,533
Speaker 4: I am.

805
00:41:34,813 --> 00:41:35,013
Speaker 3: Yeah.

806
00:41:35,173 --> 00:41:38,253
Speaker 13: Twenty eighteen was the first time I'd ever been in

807
00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:40,053
Speaker 13: Oakland for the National Final Rockquest.

808
00:41:40,173 --> 00:41:40,333
Speaker 3: Yeah.

809
00:41:40,813 --> 00:41:41,213
Speaker 10: How was that?

810
00:41:41,813 --> 00:41:42,293
Speaker 4: It was good?

811
00:41:42,493 --> 00:41:45,173
Speaker 13: It was really good. I'd done a rock Quest for

812
00:41:45,333 --> 00:41:47,053
Speaker 13: like five years leading up to that, so it was

813
00:41:47,413 --> 00:41:50,133
Speaker 13: in my last year high school. Nice to finally get

814
00:41:50,213 --> 00:41:51,213
Speaker 13: to the to that point.

815
00:41:52,013 --> 00:41:56,253
Speaker 2: How reflecting on what that kind of process is like

816
00:41:56,413 --> 00:41:58,213
Speaker 2: and the fact that you can go in every year,

817
00:41:58,333 --> 00:42:00,973
Speaker 2: you can get notes on your performances and the kind

818
00:42:01,013 --> 00:42:06,053
Speaker 2: of music you're writing about. How valuable as rock quest

819
00:42:06,093 --> 00:42:07,333
Speaker 2: isn't institution.

820
00:42:07,053 --> 00:42:11,493
Speaker 13: In your view, Like totally, I don't think I would

821
00:42:11,573 --> 00:42:15,653
Speaker 13: have had as much passion for making my own music, yeah,

822
00:42:15,813 --> 00:42:18,613
Speaker 13: as I did at that age, because it, like you know,

823
00:42:18,653 --> 00:42:20,813
Speaker 13: it obviously gives you a goal to work towards. But

824
00:42:22,053 --> 00:42:24,213
Speaker 13: also saying that your peers do the same thing in

825
00:42:24,373 --> 00:42:28,173
Speaker 13: your region or your area is quite inspiring as well. Yeah,

826
00:42:28,733 --> 00:42:31,533
Speaker 13: so we're super lucky to have them, Like, it's fantastic.

827
00:42:31,693 --> 00:42:34,933
Speaker 2: And this is not a slant on Invocado at all.

828
00:42:35,213 --> 00:42:37,293
Speaker 2: We've been speaking off here and you know that I

829
00:42:37,373 --> 00:42:40,693
Speaker 2: have a real fondness for the deeps out, But I

830
00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:42,373
Speaker 2: mean that the truth is, when you're growing up in

831
00:42:42,453 --> 00:42:46,173
Speaker 2: a medium sized city, I can imagine that the opportunities

832
00:42:46,213 --> 00:42:48,093
Speaker 2: to go and play, to be exposed to different forms

833
00:42:48,093 --> 00:42:51,453
Speaker 2: of music and other musical communities can be a bit limited.

834
00:42:51,613 --> 00:42:55,093
Speaker 13: Yeah, totally. I was pretty lucky though in that I

835
00:42:55,253 --> 00:42:57,893
Speaker 13: started playing in rugby clubs and pubs when I was

836
00:42:57,973 --> 00:43:00,413
Speaker 13: quite young, and you can't really you can get away

837
00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:03,213
Speaker 13: with that in regional New Zealand, but perhaps not so

838
00:43:03,413 --> 00:43:06,333
Speaker 13: much in the Vegas City. Well, I mean like I

839
00:43:06,573 --> 00:43:08,133
Speaker 13: was the first time I played in a pub, I

840
00:43:08,253 --> 00:43:13,813
Speaker 13: was like fift a case. Yeah, yeah, but so long

841
00:43:13,853 --> 00:43:18,133
Speaker 13: as you went drinking, No, no, absolutely not, but so

842
00:43:18,253 --> 00:43:20,293
Speaker 13: that and that and that respect like it was really good,

843
00:43:21,093 --> 00:43:22,573
Speaker 13: but you're totally right and you kind of got to

844
00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:25,413
Speaker 13: leave the But so.

845
00:43:25,533 --> 00:43:28,333
Speaker 2: You're saying that the kind of benefit from being in

846
00:43:28,453 --> 00:43:34,173
Speaker 2: that community is that you can have live opportunities before

847
00:43:34,893 --> 00:43:37,213
Speaker 2: exactly perform live that you might not otherwise have a few.

848
00:43:37,533 --> 00:43:38,613
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

849
00:43:39,133 --> 00:43:41,893
Speaker 2: You have been performing live quite a bit over the

850
00:43:41,973 --> 00:43:43,653
Speaker 2: last few years as well. Do you usually play with

851
00:43:43,733 --> 00:43:44,573
Speaker 2: a band? Right?

852
00:43:44,693 --> 00:43:46,853
Speaker 13: I do, Yeah, I do, Yeah, I got there's four

853
00:43:46,933 --> 00:43:48,133
Speaker 13: or five of us, depending on again.

854
00:43:48,253 --> 00:43:52,773
Speaker 2: So how has that factored into the album a lot.

855
00:43:52,853 --> 00:43:55,973
Speaker 13: Because it's I've got a band selene on for their

856
00:43:56,053 --> 00:43:58,973
Speaker 13: own instruments, you know, like I can't play the drums

857
00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:00,893
Speaker 13: at all, so like my drama, I get my druma

858
00:44:00,893 --> 00:44:03,853
Speaker 13: to play the drums on the records, and then like

859
00:44:04,253 --> 00:44:05,853
Speaker 13: I kind of writing the songs a lot of bit

860
00:44:07,533 --> 00:44:09,293
Speaker 13: and thinking about the live show, but more now that

861
00:44:09,333 --> 00:44:13,613
Speaker 13: there's a band as well, which has been fun. How so, well,

862
00:44:13,973 --> 00:44:16,573
Speaker 13: I guess when you're putting a live set together, you

863
00:44:16,693 --> 00:44:19,493
Speaker 13: want kind of ebbs and flows, but some of the

864
00:44:19,573 --> 00:44:23,333
Speaker 13: songs have like longer outros where alive it really works

865
00:44:23,613 --> 00:44:26,053
Speaker 13: super well because you can let the guitar solo have

866
00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:27,613
Speaker 13: a take.

867
00:44:27,493 --> 00:44:29,333
Speaker 2: As long as you are exactly yea, yeah, yeah yeah.

868
00:44:30,093 --> 00:44:31,693
Speaker 13: And some of the songs you're writing them in it's

869
00:44:31,733 --> 00:44:33,453
Speaker 13: like this is going to work really good live.

870
00:44:33,573 --> 00:44:37,373
Speaker 2: You know you're right, But but are the disciplines different,

871
00:44:37,573 --> 00:44:40,173
Speaker 2: Like do you think of them as distinct things? Yep, totally.

872
00:44:40,493 --> 00:44:42,213
Speaker 13: Some of the songs I pull apart a bit more

873
00:44:42,613 --> 00:44:46,053
Speaker 13: than they are and as they recorded versions, Yeah, you

874
00:44:46,173 --> 00:44:48,773
Speaker 13: might extend them or short and different bits, blend a

875
00:44:48,813 --> 00:44:51,213
Speaker 13: couple of songs together so you're not stuffing and being

876
00:44:51,333 --> 00:44:52,653
Speaker 13: like here's the next song.

877
00:44:52,933 --> 00:44:56,213
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you see that. It's been written

878
00:44:56,253 --> 00:44:58,293
Speaker 2: over five years. It's been a bit of a coming age,

879
00:44:58,573 --> 00:45:01,773
Speaker 2: coming of age kind of period. Early twenties is kind

880
00:45:01,773 --> 00:45:03,693
Speaker 2: of a kind of a golden time. But so do

881
00:45:03,733 --> 00:45:06,853
Speaker 2: you see a kind of three through the through the songs, Yeah, totally.

882
00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:10,733
Speaker 13: I studied in Wellington after I left schol as well

883
00:45:10,773 --> 00:45:12,373
Speaker 13: for three years, so a lot of the songs came

884
00:45:12,373 --> 00:45:15,653
Speaker 13: from that period of my life where I met a

885
00:45:15,653 --> 00:45:18,213
Speaker 13: lot of my best friends and met my partner. Yeah,

886
00:45:18,453 --> 00:45:22,053
Speaker 13: things like that. So there's a order uni days in

887
00:45:22,133 --> 00:45:22,493
Speaker 13: this album.

888
00:45:22,653 --> 00:45:25,333
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, but in a good way. Yeah yeah, yeah,

889
00:45:25,453 --> 00:45:27,893
Speaker 2: well they reckon. It's the music you listen to when

890
00:45:27,893 --> 00:45:29,533
Speaker 2: you're like twenty two, that you'll listen to for the

891
00:45:29,573 --> 00:45:30,213
Speaker 2: rest of your life.

892
00:45:30,253 --> 00:45:32,493
Speaker 13: So that's kind of what I'm feeling now, to be honest.

893
00:45:32,693 --> 00:45:32,893
Speaker 4: Yeah.

894
00:45:33,093 --> 00:45:36,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've just played Going Global too, right.

895
00:45:36,373 --> 00:45:40,333
Speaker 13: Yes, So what is it? It's a showcase run by

896
00:45:40,493 --> 00:45:44,093
Speaker 13: the Music Commission and Independent Music New Zealand where they

897
00:45:44,333 --> 00:45:49,573
Speaker 13: invite like international music industry over to do panel talks

898
00:45:49,573 --> 00:45:52,533
Speaker 13: for two days and they put on two nights of

899
00:45:52,693 --> 00:45:55,013
Speaker 13: gigs at Wami Bar. I'm can I a happy road?

900
00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:59,813
Speaker 13: Great and yeah we're like enough to perform and go

901
00:45:59,933 --> 00:46:01,453
Speaker 13: along to the showcases.

902
00:46:01,533 --> 00:46:01,893
Speaker 14: Nice of that.

903
00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:04,293
Speaker 2: So the idea is that you kind of you learn

904
00:46:04,373 --> 00:46:06,533
Speaker 2: a bit from the professionals coming in from overseas, but

905
00:46:06,653 --> 00:46:09,373
Speaker 2: you also hopefully have an opportunity to say you good

906
00:46:09,373 --> 00:46:09,613
Speaker 2: to a bit.

907
00:46:10,253 --> 00:46:12,333
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's kind of it is like a Arts and

908
00:46:12,373 --> 00:46:12,933
Speaker 13: Crafts kind of.

909
00:46:13,013 --> 00:46:15,613
Speaker 2: Sure in a good way.

910
00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:15,773
Speaker 1: Ye.

911
00:46:16,173 --> 00:46:18,773
Speaker 2: Once the album is released November seven, you guys give

912
00:46:18,813 --> 00:46:19,533
Speaker 2: me touring yep.

913
00:46:19,653 --> 00:46:22,653
Speaker 13: Yeah, we turn the country which would be fun. There's

914
00:46:22,733 --> 00:46:25,653
Speaker 13: six six dates so far, up and down from right

915
00:46:25,693 --> 00:46:27,213
Speaker 13: from a Vicago all the way to the Auckland.

916
00:46:28,733 --> 00:46:28,933
Speaker 5: Yeah.

917
00:46:29,013 --> 00:46:30,773
Speaker 13: Excited to get back on the road.

918
00:46:31,253 --> 00:46:32,773
Speaker 2: So good. All right, Well you're going to perform for

919
00:46:32,853 --> 00:46:35,293
Speaker 2: us this morning, so I will let you get yourself sorted.

920
00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:41,373
Speaker 2: Sam has brought his guitar and fantastic. We had a

921
00:46:41,373 --> 00:46:42,773
Speaker 2: bit of a sound check, so I will let you

922
00:46:42,853 --> 00:46:43,333
Speaker 2: introduce it.

923
00:46:43,413 --> 00:46:43,613
Speaker 15: Sam.

924
00:46:43,733 --> 00:46:46,093
Speaker 2: This is Sam Color and thank you so much.

925
00:46:46,253 --> 00:46:48,973
Speaker 16: Thanks, Jack, appreciate it, Thanks for time. Let's called that

926
00:46:49,093 --> 00:46:58,773
Speaker 16: Somebody's you cheers. We love songs on the queer when

927
00:46:58,973 --> 00:47:03,453
Speaker 16: you're scared, the true and the truth is you need

928
00:47:03,733 --> 00:47:09,013
Speaker 16: somebody And maybe that's on, but it is you. Well,

929
00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:11,173
Speaker 16: I was standing on the sideline.

930
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:12,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just the.

931
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:16,413
Speaker 16: Water boy and maybe trying to buy time it suspectator sport.

932
00:47:16,733 --> 00:47:19,813
Speaker 16: Even if I could, I know that I would not

933
00:47:20,173 --> 00:47:21,453
Speaker 16: try to change it.

934
00:47:21,733 --> 00:47:25,173
Speaker 17: Sing my own word, standing me.

935
00:47:25,453 --> 00:47:28,733
Speaker 16: Throw it all the way and have another drink here

936
00:47:28,813 --> 00:47:32,933
Speaker 16: and taking another day, seeing your eyes on my fears

937
00:47:33,093 --> 00:47:37,853
Speaker 16: beyond this rampart and more. But it's hard to believe

938
00:47:38,013 --> 00:47:43,413
Speaker 16: when it's cold outside, hard to believe it. To get excited,

939
00:47:43,733 --> 00:47:45,453
Speaker 16: Colt it go but what I want.

940
00:47:46,133 --> 00:47:51,653
Speaker 17: It wears me out, It'll wear you out, but don't

941
00:47:51,773 --> 00:47:56,333
Speaker 17: stop fighting all him or let a Friday I get

942
00:47:56,573 --> 00:48:02,373
Speaker 17: you down and the anger. Finding your passion, baby, that's

943
00:48:02,693 --> 00:48:07,493
Speaker 17: just finding yourself and love song ones who make cute

944
00:48:07,693 --> 00:48:12,973
Speaker 17: of its when you're scared of the truth. The truth

945
00:48:13,093 --> 00:48:18,373
Speaker 17: says you want somebody maf it that's somebody has you.

946
00:48:20,013 --> 00:48:24,093
Speaker 17: Can I find the language swallowing my pride every time

947
00:48:24,173 --> 00:48:28,013
Speaker 17: we manifest, I recon I'm a love too much bid

948
00:48:28,173 --> 00:48:32,653
Speaker 17: in this sanday Stelia. I think I'll either country.

949
00:48:33,853 --> 00:48:35,453
Speaker 16: Well, you can have it your way.

950
00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:39,173
Speaker 17: This happens every time down in the heartland. Yeah, the

951
00:48:39,253 --> 00:48:40,613
Speaker 17: boys are doing fine.

952
00:48:40,733 --> 00:48:45,613
Speaker 16: Every night out and next morning spent on the fence.

953
00:48:46,573 --> 00:48:50,853
Speaker 17: Yes, it's hard to believe when it's cold outside, hard

954
00:48:50,933 --> 00:48:55,773
Speaker 17: to believe to get excited, coltic covid of them.

955
00:48:56,533 --> 00:48:57,853
Speaker 4: It wears me out.

956
00:48:58,773 --> 00:49:04,973
Speaker 17: It'll wear you out, but don't stop fighting him. Order

957
00:49:05,133 --> 00:49:12,253
Speaker 17: the friday, get you down in the anger, Finding your passion, baby,

958
00:49:12,493 --> 00:49:18,053
Speaker 17: that's just finding yourself and love songs who make cuted

959
00:49:18,413 --> 00:49:23,293
Speaker 17: it when you're scared of the truth, and the truth

960
00:49:23,453 --> 00:49:30,173
Speaker 17: says you want somebody heavy That songbody has you. M

961
00:49:30,373 --> 00:49:33,053
Speaker 17: no glover the fire.

962
00:49:34,973 --> 00:49:36,413
Speaker 2: I need something old.

963
00:49:39,013 --> 00:49:42,773
Speaker 4: Blame me a song I like, but I like.

964
00:49:49,693 --> 00:50:00,453
Speaker 16: Oh, I've been losing my face. I've been bloodied in

965
00:50:00,573 --> 00:50:03,733
Speaker 16: the fight, and I want to find home at DMD

966
00:50:03,813 --> 00:50:05,613
Speaker 16: of the night to see this.

967
00:50:06,053 --> 00:50:10,133
Speaker 17: Uh, you forget my desire. It's so stupid when the

968
00:50:10,333 --> 00:50:11,493
Speaker 17: so much time.

969
00:50:11,613 --> 00:50:15,013
Speaker 16: Man, claim me a love song, claim me that sound,

970
00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:18,453
Speaker 16: baby gold easy, turn this around.

971
00:50:18,933 --> 00:50:21,453
Speaker 13: It's in my heart tonight. I got a hold on

972
00:50:21,653 --> 00:50:22,293
Speaker 13: this tongue.

973
00:50:23,173 --> 00:50:24,653
Speaker 4: It's wear it up.

974
00:50:25,973 --> 00:50:30,893
Speaker 17: Don't stop fighting, Dan, go let a Friday. I get

975
00:50:31,133 --> 00:50:36,933
Speaker 17: you down in the anger, finding your passion. Baby, that's

976
00:50:37,213 --> 00:50:44,093
Speaker 17: just finding yourself and love songs will make youndard when.

977
00:50:44,093 --> 00:50:45,973
Speaker 4: You're scared of the truth.

978
00:50:46,773 --> 00:50:52,213
Speaker 17: And the truth is you want somebody me that songbody

979
00:50:52,453 --> 00:50:52,973
Speaker 17: has you.

980
00:51:08,693 --> 00:51:12,693
Speaker 2: Ah, so good. Thank you so much, Sam, congratulations that

981
00:51:12,853 --> 00:51:15,413
Speaker 2: was amazing. Yeah, thank you, thank you. We really really

982
00:51:15,493 --> 00:51:19,613
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Sam Cullen. His debut album Sam Cullen self

983
00:51:19,653 --> 00:51:21,933
Speaker 2: titled This is out on November seven. We'll hit all

984
00:51:22,013 --> 00:51:24,933
Speaker 2: the details on Newstorks. He'd be website now before t

985
00:51:25,253 --> 00:51:27,173
Speaker 2: before eleven o'clock on Newstalks, he'd be we're in the

986
00:51:27,253 --> 00:51:29,333
Speaker 2: garden with the things you need to do now to

987
00:51:29,493 --> 00:51:32,133
Speaker 2: beat codling moth on apples at your place. If you've

988
00:51:32,133 --> 00:51:34,253
Speaker 2: got an apple tree, you'll know what a pain it is.

989
00:51:34,973 --> 00:51:37,053
Speaker 2: But our man in the garden has all his tips

990
00:51:37,173 --> 00:51:40,533
Speaker 2: on trying to thwart codling moth at your place. As

991
00:51:40,573 --> 00:51:42,293
Speaker 2: well as that, we'll catch up with our textburts and

992
00:51:42,373 --> 00:51:45,573
Speaker 2: berg changes coming to chat GPT that he will explain,

993
00:51:45,653 --> 00:51:48,573
Speaker 2: and next up it's our screen time segment including the

994
00:51:48,693 --> 00:51:51,173
Speaker 2: Celebrity Traitors UK, which I know has had a lot

995
00:51:51,213 --> 00:51:54,173
Speaker 2: of hype I think quite reasonably as well, and a

996
00:51:54,253 --> 00:51:58,813
Speaker 2: new documentary series with Victoria Beckham nineteen past ten on Newstalks.

997
00:51:58,853 --> 00:52:04,293
Speaker 1: He'db no your weekend of the Right Way. Saturday Morning

998
00:52:04,373 --> 00:52:07,213
Speaker 1: with Jack daim News talks ah.

999
00:52:07,293 --> 00:52:09,373
Speaker 2: Bit of debate, bit of controversy on the text machine

1000
00:52:09,413 --> 00:52:12,493
Speaker 2: this morning, Jack, that sounds like a young Johnny Cash,

1001
00:52:12,733 --> 00:52:16,333
Speaker 2: says Simon Mark Brown. Well. Steve doesn't agree. Steve says

1002
00:52:16,373 --> 00:52:17,813
Speaker 2: he sounds like a bit of a Neil Diamond. This

1003
00:52:17,893 --> 00:52:21,733
Speaker 2: guy's good, says Steve Well another text he's brilliant, sounds

1004
00:52:21,773 --> 00:52:23,813
Speaker 2: like a Bruce Springsteen. So we've got a cross between

1005
00:52:23,853 --> 00:52:27,173
Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen, young Johnny Cash and Neil Diamond.

1006
00:52:27,533 --> 00:52:27,933
Speaker 6: I like that.

1007
00:52:28,413 --> 00:52:30,093
Speaker 2: James fit us to note as well, to say, Sam

1008
00:52:30,333 --> 00:52:32,773
Speaker 2: is great, Jack absolutely loving this this morning, and Lee

1009
00:52:32,853 --> 00:52:35,573
Speaker 2: says Jack, I really enjoyed that song, really enjoyed it.

1010
00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:39,733
Speaker 2: I'm sitting at the train station carpety having a good listen,

1011
00:52:39,853 --> 00:52:43,413
Speaker 2: soaking it up. Fantastic. Thanks Le ninety two ninety two.

1012
00:52:43,413 --> 00:52:45,173
Speaker 2: If you want to send a semesterage jacket news to talk,

1013
00:52:45,173 --> 00:52:47,373
Speaker 2: we see b dot co dot and said Sam Cullen

1014
00:52:47,533 --> 00:52:52,493
Speaker 2: is the young Johnny Cash slash Bruce Springsteen slash Neil Diamond.

1015
00:52:52,573 --> 00:52:55,333
Speaker 2: There you go. It's time to catch up with our

1016
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:57,973
Speaker 2: screen time. The expert Tara Ward has the tough job

1017
00:52:58,093 --> 00:53:00,853
Speaker 2: of picking out three shows for watching or streaming to

1018
00:53:00,893 --> 00:53:02,213
Speaker 2: recommend to us all every week.

1019
00:53:02,293 --> 00:53:05,893
Speaker 12: Hey, hey don't Tara, good morning and well thanks Jack,

1020
00:53:06,013 --> 00:53:06,253
Speaker 12: very good.

1021
00:53:06,493 --> 00:53:10,053
Speaker 2: Hey you got some absolutely cracking shows for us, so

1022
00:53:10,173 --> 00:53:12,853
Speaker 2: let's kick things off. Were the latest one streaming on

1023
00:53:12,973 --> 00:53:17,733
Speaker 2: Netflix a new three part documentary series about Victoria Beckham.

1024
00:53:18,813 --> 00:53:21,893
Speaker 12: Yeah, this is a new doco about Victoria Beckham, former

1025
00:53:21,933 --> 00:53:25,733
Speaker 12: spice girl, married to footballer David Beckham and now successful

1026
00:53:25,773 --> 00:53:29,013
Speaker 12: fashion designer. And a couple of years ago, David Beckham

1027
00:53:29,373 --> 00:53:33,053
Speaker 12: released a really great Netflix documentary series about his life

1028
00:53:33,093 --> 00:53:36,533
Speaker 12: and I came to this series expecting a similar kind

1029
00:53:36,533 --> 00:53:39,093
Speaker 12: of approach, that it would be a nostalgia look back

1030
00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:41,933
Speaker 12: at what is an extraordinary life in the public eye,

1031
00:53:42,013 --> 00:53:44,893
Speaker 12: being in the biggest pop band of the nineties, marrying

1032
00:53:45,213 --> 00:53:48,893
Speaker 12: one of the world's most famous footballers, and becoming extremely

1033
00:53:49,013 --> 00:53:52,093
Speaker 12: influential in pop culture. But that's not what this documentary

1034
00:53:52,133 --> 00:53:55,933
Speaker 12: series is. This is more about Victoria Beckham, the fashion designer.

1035
00:53:56,613 --> 00:53:59,533
Speaker 12: It's filmed around the launch of her fashion show dur

1036
00:53:59,613 --> 00:54:03,013
Speaker 12: in Paris Fashion Week, and it focuses on how Victoria

1037
00:54:03,053 --> 00:54:06,133
Speaker 12: Beckham launched her own business and the struggles around that

1038
00:54:06,413 --> 00:54:09,213
Speaker 12: for the last fifteen years, and it struck me as

1039
00:54:09,293 --> 00:54:12,533
Speaker 12: being a very polished and controlled piece of television. She's

1040
00:54:12,573 --> 00:54:15,293
Speaker 12: not looking back, she's looking forward and saying I want

1041
00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:18,493
Speaker 12: to be taken seriously as a designer in my own right.

1042
00:54:19,413 --> 00:54:21,773
Speaker 12: It does dip into her life as a pop star

1043
00:54:21,853 --> 00:54:24,813
Speaker 12: a bit and touches on some of the awful treatment

1044
00:54:24,893 --> 00:54:27,173
Speaker 12: that she suffered in the media over the years, but

1045
00:54:27,293 --> 00:54:30,893
Speaker 12: it doesn't go into any real depth. People like Anna

1046
00:54:30,933 --> 00:54:33,573
Speaker 12: Wintour and Tom Ford and even Longoria are in this.

1047
00:54:33,733 --> 00:54:36,533
Speaker 12: They speak very highly about her, who work ethic is

1048
00:54:36,613 --> 00:54:39,573
Speaker 12: mentioned a lot it's still an interesting watch. There's a

1049
00:54:39,613 --> 00:54:42,413
Speaker 12: lot of behind the scenes footage, which I love, But

1050
00:54:42,573 --> 00:54:45,653
Speaker 12: to me this felt more about brand Beckham than kind

1051
00:54:45,693 --> 00:54:48,533
Speaker 12: of doing a deep dive into the nostalgic past.

1052
00:54:48,613 --> 00:54:52,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and look still interesting enough. I mean she's

1053
00:54:52,133 --> 00:54:55,733
Speaker 2: a absolute character, yes, controlled I'm not surprised to hear that.

1054
00:54:56,093 --> 00:54:59,573
Speaker 2: So that's Victoria Beckham that's on Netflix on three now.

1055
00:54:59,893 --> 00:55:01,173
Speaker 2: Tell us about Film Club.

1056
00:55:02,373 --> 00:55:05,573
Speaker 12: This is quite a sweet, understated British rom com that

1057
00:55:06,173 --> 00:55:08,533
Speaker 12: was created by and stars Amy lou Wood, who most

1058
00:55:08,613 --> 00:55:11,533
Speaker 12: recently starred in The White Lotus. And she plays a

1059
00:55:11,573 --> 00:55:14,693
Speaker 12: young woman ev who is an agoraphobic. And Evie hasn't

1060
00:55:14,893 --> 00:55:17,173
Speaker 12: really left the house in six months. She lives at

1061
00:55:17,213 --> 00:55:20,173
Speaker 12: home in Manchester with her mum and her sister. But

1062
00:55:20,293 --> 00:55:24,253
Speaker 12: Evie loves movies and every Friday night she transforms her garage.

1063
00:55:24,333 --> 00:55:26,413
Speaker 12: She has a film club in there and invites her

1064
00:55:26,453 --> 00:55:29,733
Speaker 12: friends over. And this is a rom comb all that's

1065
00:55:29,773 --> 00:55:32,133
Speaker 12: a bit of a family drama as well. So when

1066
00:55:32,173 --> 00:55:35,013
Speaker 12: one of Evie's friends, Noah, announces that he's moving away,

1067
00:55:35,173 --> 00:55:38,973
Speaker 12: she starts to wonder whether there's more to their relationship.

1068
00:55:38,493 --> 00:55:39,493
Speaker 3: Than just being friends.

1069
00:55:40,253 --> 00:55:43,133
Speaker 12: A great cast in this. Saran Jones plays Evie's mum,

1070
00:55:43,293 --> 00:55:45,653
Speaker 12: and Owen Cooper, who played the young boy Jamie and

1071
00:55:45,733 --> 00:55:48,773
Speaker 12: Adolescence he's in this as well. And it is promoted

1072
00:55:48,813 --> 00:55:51,133
Speaker 12: as a comedy, but it's not really one of those

1073
00:55:51,253 --> 00:55:52,573
Speaker 12: laugh out loud kind of comedies.

1074
00:55:52,613 --> 00:55:53,653
Speaker 3: It's sort of underplayed.

1075
00:55:53,973 --> 00:55:56,213
Speaker 12: It's more of a drama, I think, but very sweet

1076
00:55:56,293 --> 00:55:58,253
Speaker 12: and warm and a very easy watch.

1077
00:55:58,333 --> 00:56:00,813
Speaker 2: Oh nice, Okay, that's Film Club. It's on three now.

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Speaker 2: Also on three now, the Celebrity Traitors UK has just started.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been waiting for that one. This is the

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00:56:07,173 --> 00:56:09,693
Speaker 12: celebrity version of The Traders UK. And if you haven't

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00:56:09,733 --> 00:56:13,853
Speaker 12: seen The Traders yet, it's a fantastic reality series that's

1082
00:56:13,893 --> 00:56:15,853
Speaker 12: gone all around the world, including here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 12: The Traders takes a group of people. It's like a

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Speaker 12: parlor game of murder mystery. There are secret Traders that

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Speaker 12: have to murder the other contestants without being discovered, while

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Speaker 12: the other contestants have to work out who among them

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Speaker 12: are the Traders. And I think the British make the

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00:56:31,933 --> 00:56:34,253
Speaker 12: best international version of The Traders. And now they've done

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Speaker 12: a celebrity version which has just started on three now

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Speaker 12: and sometimes when you get a celebrity version of a show,

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00:56:40,053 --> 00:56:42,133
Speaker 12: the names can be a bit dubious. But they have

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00:56:42,293 --> 00:56:44,173
Speaker 12: pulled in some big names for this one, and I

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00:56:44,253 --> 00:56:46,653
Speaker 12: think that speaks to the love that people have for

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Speaker 12: The Traders UK. Stephen Fry is in this, the wonderful

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Speaker 12: Alan Carr, actors like Celia Imriy, Jonathan Ross. The TV

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Speaker 12: present out lots of British comedians and actors. It's a

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00:56:57,493 --> 00:57:00,933
Speaker 12: really intriguing bunch of celebrities and the challenge here, I

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00:57:00,973 --> 00:57:03,373
Speaker 12: think will be is that these are very successful people

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Speaker 12: who are perhaps not used to being thrown into situations

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Speaker 12: that they're not in charge of, and essentially they are

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Speaker 12: raising money for charity. But The Traders a theater. It's

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Speaker 12: melodrama and it's a lot of fun. It's about the

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Speaker 12: psychology of how people behave and how persuasive you are

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00:57:19,533 --> 00:57:21,613
Speaker 12: and can you really be a good liar and how

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00:57:21,693 --> 00:57:24,053
Speaker 12: far will you take it? So don't be put off

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00:57:24,093 --> 00:57:27,333
Speaker 12: by this being a reality show. It's really intriguing and

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00:57:27,413 --> 00:57:29,213
Speaker 12: it's funny and I think the British just do this

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00:57:29,373 --> 00:57:29,733
Speaker 12: so well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely love it. Thank you Tara. So that's the Celebrity

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Speaker 2: Traders K It's just started on three It's on three

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Speaker 2: Now as well. Also on three Now. Film Club is

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00:57:38,933 --> 00:57:43,053
Speaker 2: that British romantic comedy, and Victoria Beckham is on Netflix.

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Speaker 4: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks'ble Lover.

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Speaker 3: Cut.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Tweety is frontman of American rock band Wilco. He

1117
00:58:26,853 --> 00:58:30,933
Speaker 2: helped pioneer alternative country music in the late eighties and

1118
00:58:30,973 --> 00:58:35,773
Speaker 2: the early nineties, kind of fusing punk energy with country roots.

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Speaker 2: He's now got over twenty studio albums if you include

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Speaker 2: his work with Willco, his solo project, and all of

1121
00:58:42,053 --> 00:58:45,813
Speaker 2: his collaborations. And on his latest release, Jeff has worked

1122
00:58:45,853 --> 00:58:48,533
Speaker 2: with his two sons. It is a big one, a

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Speaker 2: real whopper. They've created thirty tracks over three discs. The

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Speaker 2: album is called Twilight Override. Our music reviewer is absolutely

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Speaker 2: loving it and is going to share us share with

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Speaker 2: us a couple of tracks before midday today be fourteen o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I was moaning about football players way in which they

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Speaker 2: all complain to the ref the moment the whistle is blown,

1129
00:59:10,133 --> 00:59:12,573
Speaker 2: everyone always rushes up to the ref and the sort

1130
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:15,493
Speaker 2: of histrionics and drama we are yet to find a

1131
00:59:15,533 --> 00:59:17,293
Speaker 2: good argument for keeping the rules as it is. I

1132
00:59:17,333 --> 00:59:19,093
Speaker 2: think they should crack down and it Wayne has took

1133
00:59:19,133 --> 00:59:21,613
Speaker 2: me a note to point out that in netball the

1134
00:59:21,813 --> 00:59:24,333
Speaker 2: only person allowed to speak with an umpire is the

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Speaker 2: team captain and all they can do is ask a

1136
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Speaker 2: question and seek clarification.

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Speaker 18: Of a rule.

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Speaker 2: That's it. He reckons it should be the same for

1139
00:59:30,973 --> 00:59:33,053
Speaker 2: all sports, so thanks for that way. Ninety two ninety

1140
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Speaker 2: two is our text number if you want to send

1141
00:59:35,853 --> 00:59:39,293
Speaker 2: us a message this morning before eleven o'clock tips on

1142
00:59:39,573 --> 00:59:41,693
Speaker 2: trying to thwart the coddling moth at your place. But

1143
00:59:41,813 --> 00:59:44,373
Speaker 2: our Textbert is in next with some big news from

1144
00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:46,013
Speaker 2: chat GPT.

1145
00:59:47,173 --> 00:59:51,133
Speaker 4: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking.

1146
00:59:50,933 --> 00:59:54,333
Speaker 19: Breakfast, Hagi, what chance that this is over? There is

1147
00:59:54,413 --> 00:59:56,293
Speaker 19: peace in the Middle East and you and I, for

1148
00:59:56,373 --> 00:59:58,773
Speaker 19: the rest of our lives will never talk about conflict

1149
00:59:58,853 --> 01:00:00,493
Speaker 19: in your part of the world ever Again.

1150
01:00:00,453 --> 01:00:04,693
Speaker 20: I would say almost none. Unfortunately, even if this agreement

1151
01:00:04,813 --> 01:00:08,973
Speaker 20: is completely successful ending the war in the genocide and Gaza,

1152
01:00:09,333 --> 01:00:14,013
Speaker 20: then we will have quiet around Gaza, and without any

1153
01:00:14,253 --> 01:00:18,413
Speaker 20: substantial changes of that reality, without justice and liberations for

1154
01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:22,253
Speaker 20: Palestinians across the land, we will just be back where

1155
01:00:22,253 --> 01:00:25,133
Speaker 20: we started and there will be renewed violence in the future.

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Speaker 19: Back Monday from six am the Mic Asking, Breakfast with

1157
01:00:28,933 --> 01:00:31,173
Speaker 19: the land Driver, Defend and us Talk ZB.

1158
01:00:31,253 --> 01:00:34,453
Speaker 2: Twenty five to eleven on news Talk ZEDB. Apps are

1159
01:00:34,653 --> 01:00:38,093
Speaker 2: coming to chet GPT. I know that seems confusing because

1160
01:00:38,213 --> 01:00:40,733
Speaker 2: if you're like me, you might have chet GPT as

1161
01:00:40,813 --> 01:00:43,813
Speaker 2: an app. But basically they're turning from chet gbt just

1162
01:00:43,933 --> 01:00:47,453
Speaker 2: being a tool into a platform. I know this is

1163
01:00:47,493 --> 01:00:50,613
Speaker 2: all kind of jargony stuff. That's why our Textbert paulstine

1164
01:00:50,653 --> 01:00:54,053
Speaker 2: House is here to explain exactly what this means. In Paul,

1165
01:00:54,133 --> 01:00:55,093
Speaker 2: this is a big change.

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01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:59,173
Speaker 21: Yeah, this is a big change because it is showing

1167
01:00:59,213 --> 01:01:02,293
Speaker 21: that chet GPT is trying to be so much more right.

1168
01:01:02,413 --> 01:01:05,173
Speaker 21: It is trying to be a platform. It is trying

1169
01:01:05,253 --> 01:01:08,093
Speaker 21: to be x experience. I don't know how else to

1170
01:01:08,173 --> 01:01:10,253
Speaker 21: describe it, Jack, but it wants to be the thing

1171
01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:12,653
Speaker 21: that you used to do everything.

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Speaker 2: Yes, basically, I think that's the way to talk about it,

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01:01:14,773 --> 01:01:17,293
Speaker 2: and it's going to be it's like the portal through

1174
01:01:17,373 --> 01:01:20,213
Speaker 2: which you access the rest of the Internet. Think about

1175
01:01:20,213 --> 01:01:21,173
Speaker 2: it like that, Yeah.

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01:01:21,133 --> 01:01:22,453
Speaker 10: And exactly.

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Speaker 21: So we started out with directories like Yahoo remember those yeah,

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01:01:26,693 --> 01:01:28,893
Speaker 21: where you like it literally was like the Yellow Pages,

1179
01:01:29,093 --> 01:01:30,853
Speaker 21: and then we went into search with Google.

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Speaker 2: That was pretty cool.

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Speaker 21: And now this is sort of, yeah, the next big

1182
01:01:34,573 --> 01:01:37,573
Speaker 21: leap where it all gets merged together. So you can

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01:01:37,653 --> 01:01:40,093
Speaker 21: imagine a time when put on your put on your

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01:01:40,133 --> 01:01:43,733
Speaker 21: imagination for a second. You're looking for a playlist, right,

1185
01:01:43,973 --> 01:01:46,933
Speaker 21: so instead of just chat GPT giving you a random

1186
01:01:47,013 --> 01:01:48,933
Speaker 21: list of songs and then you have to go into

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01:01:48,933 --> 01:01:51,413
Speaker 21: your app and find them all. If it's got these

1188
01:01:51,573 --> 01:01:55,253
Speaker 21: apps inside of chat GPT, you can ask Spotify, say

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01:01:55,773 --> 01:01:58,293
Speaker 21: to create you a playlist for you that's good for

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01:01:58,413 --> 01:02:01,293
Speaker 21: a run. Or you can say, I'm going to Paris

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Speaker 21: booking dot com app and I want you to give

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Speaker 21: me some results and I only want to spend this much,

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Speaker 21: and what the hotel would be here in the city

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01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:11,853
Speaker 21: and blah blah blah blah blah. Basically, you can use

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Speaker 21: it to browse the Internet and do things for you. Yeah, now,

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01:02:17,653 --> 01:02:19,973
Speaker 21: of course browse the internet not wide I I mean

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Speaker 21: it can browse the open browse.

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Speaker 6: The internet like that.

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Speaker 21: But these specialist apps will mean you can do specialist things.

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01:02:26,893 --> 01:02:29,093
Speaker 21: So it's worth pointing out that there are only limited

1201
01:02:29,133 --> 01:02:30,693
Speaker 21: ones at the moment that are.

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Speaker 10: Being in this sort of launch phase.

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01:02:32,773 --> 01:02:35,493
Speaker 21: They say more of them are coming later this year,

1204
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Speaker 21: including in the US. The big retailer Target is also

1205
01:02:39,693 --> 01:02:42,973
Speaker 21: a restaurant booking app over here called open Table. You

1206
01:02:43,053 --> 01:02:44,893
Speaker 21: can be finding a restaurant for Jack and if we

1207
01:02:44,933 --> 01:02:47,613
Speaker 21: go for dinner, be great, wouldn't it? And Uber so

1208
01:02:47,653 --> 01:02:49,413
Speaker 21: you could even say like, hey, you know, if it's

1209
01:02:49,453 --> 01:02:52,733
Speaker 21: Uber Eats or something, you're like, hey, I want Indian tonight,

1210
01:02:53,053 --> 01:02:54,693
Speaker 21: Like find me the best Indian around and it will

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Speaker 21: just do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so it seems to me, be your personal assistant,

1213
01:02:58,333 --> 01:02:59,853
Speaker 2: that this is going to be Yes, it seems to

1214
01:02:59,933 --> 01:03:03,213
Speaker 2: me like that there's a couple of really important dimensions here.

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Speaker 2: First of all, from a user experience, I can see

1216
01:03:06,493 --> 01:03:10,613
Speaker 2: how this would be extremely convenient, right, Like if you

1217
01:03:10,773 --> 01:03:13,533
Speaker 2: said that to use your holiday example, I only go

1218
01:03:13,573 --> 01:03:15,573
Speaker 2: on holiday here, I only want to spend this much,

1219
01:03:15,773 --> 01:03:18,853
Speaker 2: and like make me an itinery and say yes, I

1220
01:03:19,013 --> 01:03:21,413
Speaker 2: like that, book it and it does it. I can

1221
01:03:21,453 --> 01:03:25,973
Speaker 2: see how that's extremely convenient. Presumably, the trade off is

1222
01:03:26,053 --> 01:03:29,333
Speaker 2: that you have to is that your data is being

1223
01:03:29,413 --> 01:03:32,053
Speaker 2: shared with these big other companies as well. So if

1224
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Speaker 2: it's booking dot Com, that is integrated into chat GPT,

1225
01:03:35,453 --> 01:03:38,573
Speaker 2: then all of Paul Stenhouse's preferences are being feed into

1226
01:03:38,573 --> 01:03:40,773
Speaker 2: Booking dot Com, so that Booking dot Com then knows

1227
01:03:40,813 --> 01:03:44,613
Speaker 2: it about you as well. And then can I throw

1228
01:03:44,653 --> 01:03:50,693
Speaker 2: one of the conspiracy to how do we know that?

1229
01:03:50,813 --> 01:03:53,293
Speaker 2: If you say to chat GPT, what is the best

1230
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Speaker 2: way to book a trip? Then instead of just giving

1231
01:03:55,693 --> 01:03:57,173
Speaker 2: you the best way to book a trip based on

1232
01:03:57,253 --> 01:04:00,013
Speaker 2: your preferences, it doesn't immediately say why Paul, you should

1233
01:04:00,093 --> 01:04:01,093
Speaker 2: use Booking.

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Speaker 21: Dot com, h exactly and you know what ads are

1235
01:04:04,773 --> 01:04:08,093
Speaker 21: coming to yeah GPT right like by figuring out how

1236
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Speaker 21: that's going to be. And that's I mean, that's the

1237
01:04:09,653 --> 01:04:12,093
Speaker 21: Google Search model we started out by just you know,

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01:04:12,613 --> 01:04:14,373
Speaker 21: you think, go back to those examples they gave. You

1239
01:04:14,413 --> 01:04:16,493
Speaker 21: have a directory, you want to be the promoted one

1240
01:04:16,533 --> 01:04:18,093
Speaker 21: in the directory, you pay a bit more in you're

1241
01:04:18,093 --> 01:04:20,933
Speaker 21: at the top Google Search exactly the same. You want

1242
01:04:20,973 --> 01:04:23,133
Speaker 21: to get the keyword, you get to the top. I

1243
01:04:23,253 --> 01:04:25,133
Speaker 21: can imagine it's going to be exactly the same. Now

1244
01:04:25,173 --> 01:04:27,093
Speaker 21: you do have to invoke this thing, so you have

1245
01:04:27,173 --> 01:04:29,733
Speaker 21: to say, like, hey Booking dot Com do this thing,

1246
01:04:29,973 --> 01:04:32,253
Speaker 21: or hey Expedia do this thing. And if you look

1247
01:04:32,253 --> 01:04:33,173
Speaker 21: at their launch partners.

1248
01:04:33,213 --> 01:04:34,493
Speaker 2: They have got a couple of them.

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Speaker 21: It will be interesting to you to your original point

1250
01:04:38,013 --> 01:04:40,533
Speaker 21: of how much data does get sent, whether it's just

1251
01:04:40,653 --> 01:04:43,093
Speaker 21: the data in that chat that you were having at

1252
01:04:43,133 --> 01:04:45,773
Speaker 21: that time, and when you invoke Booking dot Com, say,

1253
01:04:47,693 --> 01:04:51,253
Speaker 21: but they also have just integrated the ability to pay

1254
01:04:51,453 --> 01:04:54,133
Speaker 21: as well with the chat GPT, so you could go

1255
01:04:54,253 --> 01:04:58,213
Speaker 21: through the whole experience, say using Booking dot Com and

1256
01:04:58,333 --> 01:05:00,533
Speaker 21: you've never gone through Booking dot com website, You've never

1257
01:05:00,613 --> 01:05:03,453
Speaker 21: done anything on your phone. You have searched for it all,

1258
01:05:03,613 --> 01:05:07,213
Speaker 21: you've browsed it, or you've selected your hotel, you pay

1259
01:05:07,293 --> 01:05:09,613
Speaker 21: for it everything. The only thing you're getting probably is

1260
01:05:09,653 --> 01:05:11,733
Speaker 21: your itinerary email to you and that's the only interaction

1261
01:05:11,853 --> 01:05:14,013
Speaker 21: you really have with them outside of CHET GPT.

1262
01:05:14,373 --> 01:05:14,573
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1263
01:05:14,733 --> 01:05:16,533
Speaker 2: Crazy, it's gonna be so interesting.

1264
01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:18,933
Speaker 21: But it's interesting. It's interesting looking to it. The types

1265
01:05:18,973 --> 01:05:21,213
Speaker 21: of companies that they've done for these launch partners. A

1266
01:05:21,293 --> 01:05:23,653
Speaker 21: lot of travel in there, and a lot of personal

1267
01:05:23,733 --> 01:05:25,653
Speaker 21: assistant type things like a lot of food, a lot

1268
01:05:25,733 --> 01:05:28,493
Speaker 21: of reservations, a lot of you know that that type

1269
01:05:28,533 --> 01:05:30,373
Speaker 21: of stuff, that kind of personal assistant type.

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01:05:30,453 --> 01:05:33,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I read one other crazy little fact with

1271
01:05:33,533 --> 01:05:35,973
Speaker 2: CHET GPT this week. So at the moment, the company

1272
01:05:36,053 --> 01:05:38,933
Speaker 2: says that it's being held back from expanding as quickly

1273
01:05:38,973 --> 01:05:43,453
Speaker 2: as it wants because it simply can't get enough computing power. Right,

1274
01:05:43,573 --> 01:05:46,013
Speaker 2: So it's got lots of ideas for different ways to

1275
01:05:46,133 --> 01:05:48,573
Speaker 2: use their technology and to integrate it into different things

1276
01:05:48,653 --> 01:05:51,013
Speaker 2: and to launch different products, but they just can't get

1277
01:05:51,133 --> 01:05:55,893
Speaker 2: enough computing technology and computing grunt. So they are doing

1278
01:05:55,973 --> 01:06:00,253
Speaker 2: this massive expansion. They're spending a trillion dollars, that's right,

1279
01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:04,493
Speaker 2: a trillion dollars, one thousand billion US dollars and building

1280
01:06:04,533 --> 01:06:07,493
Speaker 2: all of these data centers and buying these readable computing chips.

1281
01:06:07,813 --> 01:06:11,413
Speaker 2: But someone did the maths right on how much electricity

1282
01:06:11,533 --> 01:06:14,613
Speaker 2: you would need in order to power all of the

1283
01:06:15,053 --> 01:06:17,893
Speaker 2: different data centers that they're going to purchase with one

1284
01:06:18,013 --> 01:06:22,653
Speaker 2: trillion dollars, Apparently, just to keep the lights on and

1285
01:06:22,773 --> 01:06:26,293
Speaker 2: to power the computers, they're going to need at least

1286
01:06:26,453 --> 01:06:32,413
Speaker 2: eight nuclear reactors. Like it is just crazy how hungry

1287
01:06:32,533 --> 01:06:34,493
Speaker 2: these things are. So yeah, it is going to be Hey,

1288
01:06:34,493 --> 01:06:35,733
Speaker 2: do you want to know something else interesting?

1289
01:06:35,853 --> 01:06:36,013
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Please?

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01:06:36,373 --> 01:06:39,213
Speaker 21: Can they can move markets? So they announced this week

1292
01:06:39,253 --> 01:06:41,173
Speaker 21: that they were going to be looking at potentially buying

1293
01:06:41,293 --> 01:06:41,853
Speaker 21: AMD or.

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01:06:41,853 --> 01:06:42,893
Speaker 14: There was some speculation I.

1295
01:06:42,893 --> 01:06:44,573
Speaker 2: Think they're going to be buying Aim, which is which

1296
01:06:44,613 --> 01:06:45,653
Speaker 2: is a chip manufacturer.

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01:06:45,733 --> 01:06:50,013
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And stock went up instantly thirty eight

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Speaker 21: percent that day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty eight percent. That's amazing because of the potential

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01:06:54,453 --> 01:06:55,893
Speaker 2: of a deal. Yeah, incredible.

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01:06:55,933 --> 01:06:56,093
Speaker 3: Wow.

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01:06:56,173 --> 01:06:57,173
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much, Paul.

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01:06:57,333 --> 01:06:57,893
Speaker 4: You take care.

1304
01:06:58,053 --> 01:07:00,813
Speaker 2: Watch the space keenly as we always do. That's paused

1305
01:07:00,893 --> 01:07:03,533
Speaker 2: in house, our text spelling it out in simple terms

1306
01:07:03,573 --> 01:07:06,253
Speaker 2: for us this morning, which we always appreciate on the show.

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01:07:06,613 --> 01:07:09,493
Speaker 2: Right now, it's eighteen to eleven. Our resident doctors are next.

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01:07:10,653 --> 01:07:13,653
Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:18,173
Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News talks. That'd be.

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01:07:19,653 --> 01:07:24,013
Speaker 2: It's really sad and scary news. Former England rugby captain

1311
01:07:24,093 --> 01:07:26,933
Speaker 2: Lewis Moody has been diagnosed with motor neuron disease. So

1312
01:07:27,013 --> 01:07:29,213
Speaker 2: he's just forty seven years old. But we wanted a

1313
01:07:29,293 --> 01:07:32,333
Speaker 2: bit more information about MND and so doctor Brian Betty

1314
01:07:32,413 --> 01:07:35,493
Speaker 2: is here with us this morning. Calder Brian, Oh, kil Jack,

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01:07:35,773 --> 01:07:37,533
Speaker 2: What actually is motor neuron disease.

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01:07:39,013 --> 01:07:42,293
Speaker 11: It's what we call a neurological disorder, so it's a

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01:07:42,373 --> 01:07:47,533
Speaker 11: progressive nerve disease. So basically what hammered happens, It damages

1318
01:07:47,573 --> 01:07:50,933
Speaker 11: and kills nerve cells, especially in the spinal cord and

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01:07:50,973 --> 01:07:54,573
Speaker 11: the brain that control muscle movement in the body. So

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01:07:54,733 --> 01:07:57,893
Speaker 11: in effect, what happens is the nerve cells are damaged

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01:07:58,293 --> 01:08:01,613
Speaker 11: and the brain can no longer connect or send signals

1322
01:08:01,653 --> 01:08:04,133
Speaker 11: through to the muscles in the body, and the muscles

1323
01:08:04,373 --> 01:08:07,773
Speaker 11: slowly lose the ability to function. So it's a devastating

1324
01:08:07,853 --> 01:08:12,533
Speaker 11: disease and with with lots and lots of implications when

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01:08:12,573 --> 01:08:13,053
Speaker 11: it occurs.

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01:08:13,413 --> 01:08:14,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, why does it occur?

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01:08:16,133 --> 01:08:18,893
Speaker 11: Well, look, it's one of those things very familiar to

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01:08:19,013 --> 01:08:22,413
Speaker 11: us in medicine that the exact cause is not fully understood.

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01:08:23,093 --> 01:08:25,533
Speaker 11: So it's thought to be up to ten percent of

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01:08:25,573 --> 01:08:28,693
Speaker 11: maybe genetic related, and that is the person's genes or

1331
01:08:28,773 --> 01:08:32,333
Speaker 11: family history drive it, but ninety percent are thought to

1332
01:08:32,373 --> 01:08:36,173
Speaker 11: be random with really no clear genetic cause. Now we

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01:08:36,373 --> 01:08:39,253
Speaker 11: think there are several things that could be important. One

1334
01:08:39,413 --> 01:08:44,333
Speaker 11: is an abnormal accumulation approtein in the nerve cells.

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01:08:44,133 --> 01:08:44,973
Speaker 4: Which destroy them.

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01:08:45,773 --> 01:08:49,253
Speaker 11: There's possibly an inflammatory response that is the immune system

1337
01:08:49,373 --> 01:08:53,253
Speaker 11: malfunction where the immune system turns on itself and destroys

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01:08:53,933 --> 01:08:57,293
Speaker 11: the nerve cells. The other thing that's been wondered about

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01:08:57,493 --> 01:09:00,493
Speaker 11: is whether there's environmental factors. So there's been some linkage

1340
01:09:00,573 --> 01:09:04,653
Speaker 11: to things like heavy metals and pesticides, but again there's

1341
01:09:04,813 --> 01:09:07,733
Speaker 11: no real clear evidence that's in fact the case, so

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01:09:08,293 --> 01:09:09,213
Speaker 11: not well understood.

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01:09:09,493 --> 01:09:12,733
Speaker 2: And even for Lewis Moody, I mean, my immediate reaction

1344
01:09:12,973 --> 01:09:14,973
Speaker 2: was is this as a result of being in a

1345
01:09:15,413 --> 01:09:17,413
Speaker 2: in a really physical contact sport for a long time.

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01:09:17,453 --> 01:09:19,773
Speaker 2: But even that evidence seemed to be mixed at the moment,

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01:09:19,853 --> 01:09:21,573
Speaker 2: so that you can't sort of directly draw a line

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01:09:21,573 --> 01:09:22,493
Speaker 2: necessarily just on that.

1349
01:09:22,653 --> 01:09:25,413
Speaker 11: Yet, Yeah, it would be very very hard to draw

1350
01:09:25,413 --> 01:09:27,613
Speaker 11: a direct line with that to this condition.

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01:09:27,853 --> 01:09:31,653
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, no, yeah, very very poorly understood.

1352
01:09:31,693 --> 01:09:32,733
Speaker 2: Well, what are the symptoms.

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01:09:33,933 --> 01:09:37,293
Speaker 11: Well, the problem is that initially it is incredibly difficult

1354
01:09:37,373 --> 01:09:40,813
Speaker 11: to diagnose because there are very very subtle changes that occur.

1355
01:09:41,373 --> 01:09:44,653
Speaker 11: So this may be a slight clumsiness in the hands,

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01:09:45,453 --> 01:09:49,293
Speaker 11: slurred speech, or fatigue or tiredness, so that those are

1357
01:09:49,333 --> 01:09:52,413
Speaker 11: pretty pretty nondescript. But as time goes on, the main

1358
01:09:52,453 --> 01:09:55,133
Speaker 11: issue that tends to develop is weakness in the arms

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01:09:55,173 --> 01:09:58,693
Speaker 11: and legs and hands and you gradually lose your ability

1360
01:09:58,773 --> 01:10:01,973
Speaker 11: to use them. Now speech and swallowing can become very

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01:10:02,053 --> 01:10:05,093
Speaker 11: very difficult, so speech, the power of speech, you start

1362
01:10:05,133 --> 01:10:08,453
Speaker 11: to lose that and in particular breathing problems as the

1363
01:10:08,533 --> 01:10:11,173
Speaker 11: muscles around the lungs weaken, and that can lead to

1364
01:10:11,373 --> 01:10:14,333
Speaker 11: increased lung infections, pneumonias, things like that, which can be

1365
01:10:14,453 --> 01:10:18,373
Speaker 11: very very difficult. The other thing is mood swings, slow

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01:10:18,453 --> 01:10:22,053
Speaker 11: depression and can become a pronounced feature of it as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is understandable. I mean, I mean many of

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01:10:24,453 --> 01:10:27,373
Speaker 2: us will associate mode of neuron disease with Stephen Hawking.

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01:10:27,453 --> 01:10:29,053
Speaker 2: But can any treated at all.

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Speaker 11: Unfortunately, it's incurable, so once the diagnosis has made there

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01:10:36,253 --> 01:10:40,493
Speaker 11: isn't any real treatments available. Stephen Hawkins was actually very

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01:10:40,573 --> 01:10:43,693
Speaker 11: very unusual, so he was diagnosed at the age twenty two,

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01:10:44,293 --> 01:10:46,373
Speaker 11: but he actually died of the age of seventy six

1374
01:10:46,533 --> 01:10:49,453
Speaker 11: because the average time from diagnosis to death is two

1375
01:10:49,493 --> 01:10:53,693
Speaker 11: to five years. Wow, So Stephen Hawkins was incredibly unusual

1376
01:10:53,693 --> 01:10:57,573
Speaker 11: in terms of what happened, and again not understood. It

1377
01:10:57,733 --> 01:11:00,093
Speaker 11: was thought to be just a slower variant of the disease.

1378
01:11:01,373 --> 01:11:04,933
Speaker 11: There are some experimental drugs that medical science is playing

1379
01:11:04,933 --> 01:11:09,093
Speaker 11: around with, but again there's nothing really that's been landed

1380
01:11:09,133 --> 01:11:11,693
Speaker 11: on at this point, so most of the treatment tends

1381
01:11:11,733 --> 01:11:13,693
Speaker 11: to be supportive that that, you know, trying to improve

1382
01:11:13,733 --> 01:11:15,533
Speaker 11: the quality of life. And I think Stephen Hawkins, he

1383
01:11:15,573 --> 01:11:18,093
Speaker 11: had motorized wheelchair, he was able to communicate through a

1384
01:11:18,533 --> 01:11:22,413
Speaker 11: through a language translator in things. So again it's it's

1385
01:11:22,493 --> 01:11:24,653
Speaker 11: it's quality of life that becomes a critical thing as

1386
01:11:24,733 --> 01:11:25,253
Speaker 11: time goes on.

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01:11:25,533 --> 01:11:28,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, it's it's just such sad news about

1388
01:11:28,213 --> 01:11:30,253
Speaker 2: Lewis Moody. But thank you very much for that. We

1389
01:11:30,333 --> 01:11:33,693
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time and expertise. As always. Dr Brian

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01:11:33,733 --> 01:11:37,253
Speaker 2: Betty with us this morning after eleven o'clock on News Talk.

1391
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:41,013
Speaker 2: He'd be our travel correspondent has just taken an incredible

1392
01:11:41,093 --> 01:11:43,173
Speaker 2: trip to India and he's going to join us this

1393
01:11:43,253 --> 01:11:45,213
Speaker 2: morning with his advice on people who are going to

1394
01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,653
Speaker 2: India for the first time. It is one of those

1395
01:11:49,733 --> 01:11:56,813
Speaker 2: all encompassing kind of sensual experiences I think going to India,

1396
01:11:56,893 --> 01:11:59,933
Speaker 2: I mean, you can it's just a total bombard and

1397
01:12:00,293 --> 01:12:04,093
Speaker 2: bombardment for your for for all senses, you know, a

1398
01:12:04,213 --> 01:12:07,293
Speaker 2: kind of kind of sensory over overload and in some respects,

1399
01:12:07,653 --> 01:12:10,893
Speaker 2: but you know, there's some amazing components to that that

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01:12:11,013 --> 01:12:13,493
Speaker 2: he has some really simple tips for So if you

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01:12:13,573 --> 01:12:15,733
Speaker 2: are considering a trip to India, he's going to be

1402
01:12:15,773 --> 01:12:18,253
Speaker 2: with us after eleven with his top tips on there

1403
01:12:18,933 --> 01:12:20,813
Speaker 2: rude climb passes in the garden for us in a

1404
01:12:20,853 --> 01:12:23,093
Speaker 2: couple of minutes. It's eleven to eleven. You're Jack Taime

1405
01:12:23,133 --> 01:12:23,653
Speaker 2: on newstalks.

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01:12:23,693 --> 01:12:23,933
Speaker 13: He'd be.

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01:12:25,733 --> 01:12:29,533
Speaker 1: Gardling with still shops battery system. Kids get a second battery,

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01:12:29,613 --> 01:12:30,413
Speaker 1: half priced.

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01:12:30,493 --> 01:12:32,853
Speaker 2: Rude climb past is our man in the garden on

1410
01:12:32,933 --> 01:12:35,133
Speaker 2: Saturday mornings. Got our good morning, sir.

1411
01:12:36,133 --> 01:12:38,613
Speaker 3: Cure Jack, Yeah, garden.

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01:12:38,653 --> 01:12:39,013
Speaker 15: All right.

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01:12:39,573 --> 01:12:41,253
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but it's really

1414
01:12:41,293 --> 01:12:42,653
Speaker 3: all over the place now, isn't it.

1415
01:12:42,973 --> 01:12:44,853
Speaker 2: It is all over the place. It's always all over

1416
01:12:44,853 --> 01:12:49,493
Speaker 2: the place at our place. But yes, everything's just going gangbusters.

1417
01:12:49,733 --> 01:12:51,893
Speaker 2: Everything's going gangbusters. It's going to be twenty two and

1418
01:12:52,013 --> 01:12:54,933
Speaker 2: or on today they reckon so you know our place

1419
01:12:56,093 --> 01:12:58,253
Speaker 2: then everything's growing. Is it going to be twenty four

1420
01:12:58,293 --> 01:12:58,813
Speaker 2: and the three?

1421
01:12:59,813 --> 01:13:03,293
Speaker 3: Don't you worry? Ever since you and your friends left,

1422
01:13:03,413 --> 01:13:04,133
Speaker 3: it's been great.

1423
01:13:04,333 --> 01:13:06,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, funny that it's our cold, cold heart. We're keeping

1424
01:13:06,893 --> 01:13:08,253
Speaker 2: them below the average for so long.

1425
01:13:09,213 --> 01:13:12,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it? Have you got apples where you.

1426
01:13:12,413 --> 01:13:16,493
Speaker 2: Are not at our place, not at our place.

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01:13:16,373 --> 01:13:16,453
Speaker 22: But.

1428
01:13:18,053 --> 01:13:19,373
Speaker 3: Are growing up well the in laws.

1429
01:13:19,573 --> 01:13:22,293
Speaker 2: The in laws are Nelson and in fact, my brother

1430
01:13:22,333 --> 01:13:24,053
Speaker 2: in law grew up on an apple orchard.

1431
01:13:24,213 --> 01:13:28,853
Speaker 3: So I'm all the is yeah, oh well they should they.

1432
01:13:29,013 --> 01:13:30,533
Speaker 13: I think they are on.

1433
01:13:30,573 --> 01:13:32,613
Speaker 2: Top of the coddling moth situation. Yeah, that's not the

1434
01:13:32,613 --> 01:13:32,973
Speaker 2: first time.

1435
01:13:34,813 --> 01:13:37,973
Speaker 3: Codling moths are real braggers actually, because those things, of

1436
01:13:38,053 --> 01:13:43,613
Speaker 3: course originated from places like what is it? We had

1437
01:13:43,693 --> 01:13:45,773
Speaker 3: them a lot, but they're not where they're originally from.

1438
01:13:46,133 --> 01:13:47,973
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly where they came from, but anyway,

1439
01:13:48,013 --> 01:13:51,333
Speaker 3: in the in those orchards, that is their big gig.

1440
01:13:51,533 --> 01:13:55,093
Speaker 3: Because these guys basically make holes in apples and it

1441
01:13:55,213 --> 01:13:58,173
Speaker 3: looks awful and it tastes even worse. So I think

1442
01:13:58,253 --> 01:14:01,653
Speaker 3: we better have a check about that. And the reason

1443
01:14:01,773 --> 01:14:05,013
Speaker 3: is this is actually quite interesting. In the past, when

1444
01:14:05,013 --> 01:14:07,213
Speaker 3: I started working with the Ministry of Anger and fish

1445
01:14:07,293 --> 01:14:12,573
Speaker 3: Heads sorry meth, we used to use a lot of

1446
01:14:12,973 --> 01:14:17,693
Speaker 3: really nasty chemicals on apples, carborrel, organophosphates, you name it.

1447
01:14:18,453 --> 01:14:23,573
Speaker 3: And suddenly they found this lovely material called the medex three,

1448
01:14:24,013 --> 01:14:28,093
Speaker 3: which is basically a material that kills the caterpillars as

1449
01:14:28,133 --> 01:14:31,933
Speaker 3: soon as they come into developing fruit, and so I

1450
01:14:32,013 --> 01:14:34,413
Speaker 3: want to have a little check about that, yeah, rather

1451
01:14:34,493 --> 01:14:35,573
Speaker 3: than the asty stuff.

1452
01:14:35,773 --> 01:14:35,973
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1453
01:14:36,253 --> 01:14:36,493
Speaker 2: Okay.

1454
01:14:37,573 --> 01:14:41,413
Speaker 3: So at the moment the apples are flowering, some have

1455
01:14:41,493 --> 01:14:45,213
Speaker 3: already finished because their earlier settlers, I suppose, and there's

1456
01:14:45,253 --> 01:14:47,933
Speaker 3: also later ones coming up. And this is the idea

1457
01:14:48,013 --> 01:14:54,173
Speaker 3: how this works. The virus that kills the caterpillar is

1458
01:14:54,293 --> 01:15:00,373
Speaker 3: a natural virus that only kills the coddling moth, nothing else, right,

1459
01:15:00,933 --> 01:15:03,813
Speaker 3: So that's that's quite organic, isn't it if you think

1460
01:15:03,813 --> 01:15:07,293
Speaker 3: about it. So that's number one. Number two. The time

1461
01:15:07,413 --> 01:15:12,533
Speaker 3: when the moths are flying is from now onwards, right,

1462
01:15:12,773 --> 01:15:14,493
Speaker 3: And the very first thing they do is they find

1463
01:15:14,493 --> 01:15:17,253
Speaker 3: a partner. They mate, and then the females are laying

1464
01:15:17,373 --> 01:15:22,693
Speaker 3: their eggs literally on the tiny fruits that are forming

1465
01:15:22,813 --> 01:15:26,373
Speaker 3: right now after flowering. And the tiny fruits in London

1466
01:15:26,453 --> 01:15:32,053
Speaker 3: are called coddlings, hence the name codling moth. Right, So

1467
01:15:32,173 --> 01:15:35,293
Speaker 3: that's important. So from now on we should start looking

1468
01:15:35,373 --> 01:15:38,493
Speaker 3: at these sort of things, and instead of using nasty chemicals,

1469
01:15:38,573 --> 01:15:40,973
Speaker 3: we can use the material that is that virus that

1470
01:15:41,093 --> 01:15:47,813
Speaker 3: they found it's called granulosis virus, and especially putting bottles

1471
01:15:48,053 --> 01:15:54,253
Speaker 3: under the name mad X three MDX three. I've used

1472
01:15:54,293 --> 01:15:59,053
Speaker 3: it now for decades and it works beautifully. If you

1473
01:15:59,133 --> 01:16:02,453
Speaker 3: do that at the right time, you can actually stop

1474
01:16:02,653 --> 01:16:06,173
Speaker 3: those first little catapillars from getting into developing fruits and

1475
01:16:06,453 --> 01:16:09,133
Speaker 3: will have clean fruit at the end of the season.

1476
01:16:09,453 --> 01:16:13,133
Speaker 3: That is really important. I think, Well, do you reckon? Yeah?

1477
01:16:13,373 --> 01:16:15,253
Speaker 2: Sounds really good and it lots ones, right, I mean

1478
01:16:15,293 --> 01:16:16,533
Speaker 2: you can you can just freezer.

1479
01:16:17,853 --> 01:16:21,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there you go. You you let you're read it,

1480
01:16:21,293 --> 01:16:23,213
Speaker 3: have you? Yeah, if you put them in the freezer,

1481
01:16:23,373 --> 01:16:26,773
Speaker 3: you can actually have that particular stuff. I know it's expensive, Sorry,

1482
01:16:27,213 --> 01:16:30,013
Speaker 3: I know, but it will last for at least four

1483
01:16:30,133 --> 01:16:32,293
Speaker 3: or five years if you put them in the freezer

1484
01:16:32,533 --> 01:16:34,533
Speaker 3: and only take it out when you have to quickly

1485
01:16:35,093 --> 01:16:38,293
Speaker 3: looted in your water and spray the spray the apple trees.

1486
01:16:38,773 --> 01:16:40,573
Speaker 3: That is the way to go about it. So it's

1487
01:16:40,613 --> 01:16:42,573
Speaker 3: actually and the second thing is what you can do is,

1488
01:16:42,613 --> 01:16:44,973
Speaker 3: of course, if you find it too expensive, you share

1489
01:16:44,973 --> 01:16:47,733
Speaker 3: it with your neighbors. It's the other thing. Yeah, you're

1490
01:16:47,733 --> 01:16:50,013
Speaker 3: looking at one hundred and eighty dollars for a bottle. Yeah,

1491
01:16:50,213 --> 01:16:54,133
Speaker 3: it's quite dear, but it works, and boy doesn't work,

1492
01:16:54,493 --> 01:16:57,693
Speaker 3: so those are really important things. Keep it in the

1493
01:16:57,733 --> 01:17:01,333
Speaker 3: freezer after use and it'll be easy to use next

1494
01:17:01,453 --> 01:17:03,173
Speaker 3: year again mad x three.

1495
01:17:03,413 --> 01:17:06,333
Speaker 2: There you go, very good, Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

1496
01:17:06,693 --> 01:17:07,253
Speaker 23: Here we go.

1497
01:17:07,373 --> 01:17:10,333
Speaker 2: We't We've started a bit of a contest this morning, rude.

1498
01:17:10,333 --> 01:17:12,573
Speaker 2: So if it's twenty two in Auckland, it's twenty four

1499
01:17:12,733 --> 01:17:16,293
Speaker 2: in christ Church twenty six and Hastings says, mars, how

1500
01:17:16,293 --> 01:17:19,573
Speaker 2: about that? Here you go twenty five degrees in Ashburton

1501
01:17:19,653 --> 01:17:22,013
Speaker 2: right now. See I've always said that Hestburton was paradise,

1502
01:17:22,093 --> 01:17:25,733
Speaker 2: but my goodness, hey that is how about it? Yeah,

1503
01:17:25,773 --> 01:17:27,613
Speaker 2: you better get going if you haven't got your bazil

1504
01:17:27,693 --> 01:17:30,693
Speaker 2: and now is the time. Thank you very much, Rude.

1505
01:17:30,773 --> 01:17:32,693
Speaker 2: We'll make sure all of the details for that Medics

1506
01:17:32,733 --> 01:17:34,853
Speaker 2: three is up on the news talks Hedb website as well,

1507
01:17:34,893 --> 01:17:37,253
Speaker 2: so you can get your apple tree sat at your place.

1508
01:17:37,373 --> 01:17:39,893
Speaker 2: After eleven o'clock we'll get a new book from Ken

1509
01:17:39,973 --> 01:17:42,573
Speaker 2: Follett to tell you about sounds really good actually, and

1510
01:17:42,653 --> 01:17:45,533
Speaker 2: a new album from Jeff Tweedy, the front man for Wilco.

1511
01:17:45,733 --> 01:17:47,293
Speaker 2: So we'll play you a couple of songs from that

1512
01:17:47,413 --> 01:17:50,253
Speaker 2: album very shortly. You have an hour if you haven't

1513
01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:53,133
Speaker 2: yet voted in your local body elections, please go and

1514
01:17:53,253 --> 01:17:55,653
Speaker 2: do it. No voting, no moaning, you know the rules.

1515
01:17:56,173 --> 01:17:59,373
Speaker 2: An hour before the polls close. It is just coming

1516
01:17:59,413 --> 01:18:02,173
Speaker 2: out to eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning,

1517
01:18:02,213 --> 01:18:03,253
Speaker 2: and this is News Talks.

1518
01:18:03,253 --> 01:18:03,613
Speaker 3: He'd be.

1519
01:18:12,453 --> 01:18:16,253
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through

1520
01:18:16,333 --> 01:18:42,173
Speaker 1: the weekend US talks at BRED.

1521
01:18:42,533 --> 01:18:44,613
Speaker 2: You know you were Jack Taime on News Talks. He'd

1522
01:18:44,653 --> 01:18:47,173
Speaker 2: be great to have you with us this morning, I reckon, Well,

1523
01:18:47,733 --> 01:18:50,973
Speaker 2: I know it was fifteen years ago that I first

1524
01:18:51,013 --> 01:18:52,773
Speaker 2: went to India. I've been lucky enough to go a

1525
01:18:52,853 --> 01:18:55,373
Speaker 2: couple of times in my life, but fifteen years ago

1526
01:18:55,893 --> 01:18:59,653
Speaker 2: I went to the Delhi Commonwealth Games, which I'll tell

1527
01:18:59,653 --> 01:19:02,893
Speaker 2: you was an experience for many for many reasons. But anyway,

1528
01:19:02,933 --> 01:19:05,333
Speaker 2: I went because I was working and went along with

1529
01:19:05,453 --> 01:19:08,253
Speaker 2: TV and Z, and because it was the Comwealth Games,

1530
01:19:08,293 --> 01:19:12,133
Speaker 2: and because there were a few security concerns, we were

1531
01:19:12,173 --> 01:19:14,813
Speaker 2: given pretty good treatment. You might remember the Dali Conwealth

1532
01:19:14,853 --> 01:19:17,133
Speaker 2: Games had all sorts of issues with not being ready

1533
01:19:17,213 --> 01:19:19,733
Speaker 2: on time, like the athlete's village wasn't quite ready on time.

1534
01:19:19,773 --> 01:19:22,653
Speaker 2: There all sorts of organizational issues Anyway, the games themselves

1535
01:19:22,693 --> 01:19:25,093
Speaker 2: were great. I had a fantastic time, and we were

1536
01:19:25,133 --> 01:19:29,613
Speaker 2: put up in this opulent, like five star hotel. So

1537
01:19:29,773 --> 01:19:32,653
Speaker 2: my first experience of India was actually my first experience

1538
01:19:32,733 --> 01:19:35,213
Speaker 2: of staying in a five star hotel. It was really, really,

1539
01:19:35,293 --> 01:19:38,013
Speaker 2: really fancy. I think the rationale was because there were

1540
01:19:38,053 --> 01:19:40,773
Speaker 2: security concerns and you know, because we had to take

1541
01:19:40,813 --> 01:19:43,773
Speaker 2: our own private security in and all of that, that

1542
01:19:43,813 --> 01:19:46,173
Speaker 2: they put us up in a really nice hotel. So

1543
01:19:46,533 --> 01:19:49,693
Speaker 2: after two or three weeks staying in the super fancy hotel,

1544
01:19:49,893 --> 01:19:52,813
Speaker 2: all of my colleagues flew home to New Zealand at

1545
01:19:52,853 --> 01:19:55,813
Speaker 2: the end of the Delhi Colnwealth Games, and I decided

1546
01:19:55,853 --> 01:19:58,893
Speaker 2: to stay on. And I remember leaving this five star

1547
01:19:59,013 --> 01:20:03,213
Speaker 2: hotel in Delhi going to the Delhi Central Railway station

1548
01:20:04,133 --> 01:20:09,173
Speaker 2: where I had bought about a fifth class ticket on

1549
01:20:09,333 --> 01:20:12,653
Speaker 2: a train that went across the country. And I remember

1550
01:20:12,733 --> 01:20:15,013
Speaker 2: as all of my friends were texting me and colleagues

1551
01:20:15,013 --> 01:20:17,133
Speaker 2: were texting me saying, Hey, we're at our departure gate.

1552
01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:18,773
Speaker 2: We're about to fly back to New Zealand and see

1553
01:20:18,813 --> 01:20:21,413
Speaker 2: you in a few weeks. This train pulled out of

1554
01:20:21,493 --> 01:20:24,933
Speaker 2: the station in Delhi and I was in a little

1555
01:20:24,973 --> 01:20:29,333
Speaker 2: carriage that had three bunk beds. I was on the

1556
01:20:29,413 --> 01:20:32,933
Speaker 2: top bunk, and the roof space was so small that

1557
01:20:33,053 --> 01:20:35,773
Speaker 2: I couldn't sit upright on the bunk, so I was

1558
01:20:35,813 --> 01:20:38,293
Speaker 2: sort of like I sort of had to manipulate my

1559
01:20:38,373 --> 01:20:40,933
Speaker 2: body to get into the space. And all I remember

1560
01:20:41,093 --> 01:20:44,053
Speaker 2: is that with the other five beds in my room,

1561
01:20:44,533 --> 01:20:50,053
Speaker 2: there were about eleven people and four chickens. I was

1562
01:20:50,093 --> 01:20:53,413
Speaker 2: on the twenty four hour train across the country with

1563
01:20:53,773 --> 01:20:56,973
Speaker 2: eleven other people and four chickens. And as we pulled

1564
01:20:57,013 --> 01:20:59,693
Speaker 2: out of Deli, as the sun went down over the city,

1565
01:20:59,893 --> 01:21:03,933
Speaker 2: I just remember all of these people burning rubbish for

1566
01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:07,493
Speaker 2: fuel on the outskirts of the city. Was really, really amazing,

1567
01:21:07,533 --> 01:21:09,853
Speaker 2: and I thought, Okay, yeah, I'm not in Kansas anymore.

1568
01:21:09,853 --> 01:21:12,413
Speaker 2: I'm not in the nice, comfortable, five star hotel, drink

1569
01:21:12,453 --> 01:21:14,213
Speaker 2: from the tap anymore. No, this is going to be

1570
01:21:14,253 --> 01:21:16,853
Speaker 2: a different experience. My experience of India is just that

1571
01:21:16,933 --> 01:21:21,813
Speaker 2: it's the most extraordinary place. And I know that's hardly unique,

1572
01:21:21,853 --> 01:21:27,733
Speaker 2: but from a sensory experience, everything is in the extreme,

1573
01:21:28,293 --> 01:21:31,853
Speaker 2: so like the poverty is in the extreme, but the

1574
01:21:31,973 --> 01:21:37,413
Speaker 2: beauty is in the extreme. The smells like nothing smells

1575
01:21:37,413 --> 01:21:40,653
Speaker 2: a little bit. Everything smells so intensely, whether it's good

1576
01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:44,533
Speaker 2: or whether it's bad. Yeah, you see the most extraordinary things,

1577
01:21:44,893 --> 01:21:48,893
Speaker 2: and in my experience, it's a kind of place that

1578
01:21:49,053 --> 01:21:51,813
Speaker 2: just gets under skin, it just sticks with you. So anyway,

1579
01:21:51,853 --> 01:21:54,133
Speaker 2: the reason I'm telling you this is because I remember

1580
01:21:54,213 --> 01:21:58,613
Speaker 2: my first time in India incredibly vividly, and I know

1581
01:21:58,733 --> 01:22:00,853
Speaker 2: that it's a sort of travel destination that interests a

1582
01:22:00,893 --> 01:22:03,893
Speaker 2: lot of people but also can be a little bit intimidating.

1583
01:22:03,973 --> 01:22:05,853
Speaker 2: So our travel Crosspondent is going to be with us

1584
01:22:05,893 --> 01:22:09,493
Speaker 2: before with his tips on traveling to India for the

1585
01:22:09,613 --> 01:22:12,093
Speaker 2: first time. I reckon one of them is going to

1586
01:22:12,093 --> 01:22:14,813
Speaker 2: be eat it if it's hot and don't touch it

1587
01:22:14,853 --> 01:22:16,533
Speaker 2: if it's not. But he'll be with us very shortly,

1588
01:22:16,613 --> 01:22:19,013
Speaker 2: so looking forward to that as well as that. Before midday,

1589
01:22:19,133 --> 01:22:22,133
Speaker 2: we've got a new music a new album from Jeff Tweedy.

1590
01:22:22,173 --> 01:22:24,213
Speaker 2: He's the front man from Wilco. He's done all sorts

1591
01:22:24,253 --> 01:22:26,213
Speaker 2: of different musical projects over the years. He's got all

1592
01:22:26,253 --> 01:22:28,613
Speaker 2: of Wilco's stuff, but he's also done some solo stuff.

1593
01:22:29,053 --> 01:22:32,493
Speaker 2: Now he's written a new album and released it alongside

1594
01:22:32,533 --> 01:22:34,853
Speaker 2: two of his sons. So we'll play you some of

1595
01:22:34,893 --> 01:22:38,333
Speaker 2: the tracks from that album, Twilight Override. Very shortly right

1596
01:22:38,413 --> 01:22:41,533
Speaker 2: now it is eleven minutes past eleven, Jack Team, we

1597
01:22:41,693 --> 01:22:44,573
Speaker 2: learned something new on the show every week. Google Sutherland

1598
01:22:44,573 --> 01:22:46,893
Speaker 2: from Umbrella Wellbeing is known to most of us as

1599
01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:49,693
Speaker 2: our clinical psychologist who joins us every couple of weeks.

1600
01:22:49,773 --> 01:22:51,653
Speaker 2: But I didn't know this. He has been poked and

1601
01:22:51,733 --> 01:22:56,893
Speaker 2: plodded as a subject of the infamous Dunedin Longitudinal Study.

1602
01:22:57,013 --> 01:22:58,853
Speaker 2: How about that, Doogle? What an amazing dream.

1603
01:22:59,573 --> 01:23:02,853
Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm trigued that you call it infamous. Well, yeah,

1604
01:23:02,893 --> 01:23:09,893
Speaker 22: maybe it's famous, certainly infamous for poking and prodding me. Yeah, no,

1605
01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:12,293
Speaker 22: it's yeah, I'm one of those. Do you know? It

1606
01:23:12,413 --> 01:23:14,853
Speaker 22: was so common in my class when I was at

1607
01:23:14,893 --> 01:23:16,613
Speaker 22: school that it was just you know, it was one

1608
01:23:16,613 --> 01:23:19,213
Speaker 22: of those things, Oh where's you know, where's Wayne today?

1609
01:23:19,253 --> 01:23:21,533
Speaker 22: Oh he's at that Dunedin study thing. Oh yeah, I'm

1610
01:23:21,573 --> 01:23:24,733
Speaker 22: going next week. So just just because of the cohorts

1611
01:23:24,733 --> 01:23:27,013
Speaker 22: saying were everybody at school was always you know, when

1612
01:23:27,053 --> 01:23:29,573
Speaker 22: it came that time of every two years to go

1613
01:23:29,693 --> 01:23:31,613
Speaker 22: into the study, it was just sort of day after

1614
01:23:31,653 --> 01:23:33,093
Speaker 22: day somebody was absent from school.

1615
01:23:33,573 --> 01:23:38,253
Speaker 2: A really dumb question is the Danedan Longitudinal study. Were

1616
01:23:38,293 --> 01:23:39,653
Speaker 2: the subjects all in Dunedin.

1617
01:23:40,453 --> 01:23:41,653
Speaker 4: Yes, that's good.

1618
01:23:42,373 --> 01:23:45,453
Speaker 22: And I'll tell you another weird little fact here. My

1619
01:23:45,653 --> 01:23:49,333
Speaker 22: grandmother was one of the original volunteers that went around

1620
01:23:49,573 --> 01:23:53,893
Speaker 22: the writ around the maternity unit Queen Mary and Dunedan

1621
01:23:54,213 --> 01:23:58,413
Speaker 22: and recruited mothers and their children. Were predominant mothers and

1622
01:23:58,453 --> 01:24:01,573
Speaker 22: their kids to be in the study. So we've got

1623
01:24:01,653 --> 01:24:04,493
Speaker 22: this weird family linkage back as well when my grandmother

1624
01:24:04,653 --> 01:24:06,293
Speaker 22: was the person doing the recruiting.

1625
01:24:06,533 --> 01:24:07,213
Speaker 3: So wow.

1626
01:24:07,413 --> 01:24:07,613
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1627
01:24:07,773 --> 01:24:10,053
Speaker 2: Well, the reason the reason I raise this is the

1628
01:24:10,133 --> 01:24:13,573
Speaker 2: Dnedan Longitudinal Study and data from the study now suggests

1629
01:24:13,893 --> 01:24:16,413
Speaker 2: that the number of New Zealand adults who in their

1630
01:24:16,493 --> 01:24:20,173
Speaker 2: lifetime experience a major mental health problem could be as

1631
01:24:20,293 --> 01:24:24,213
Speaker 2: high as eighty percent, which is an extraordinary figure. I mean,

1632
01:24:24,213 --> 01:24:25,853
Speaker 2: I think the Ministry of Health says it's closer to

1633
01:24:26,013 --> 01:24:28,373
Speaker 2: fifty percent or just under fifty percent, but eighty percent

1634
01:24:28,773 --> 01:24:31,933
Speaker 2: the data from the Deneede Longitudinal Study suggests it could be.

1635
01:24:32,973 --> 01:24:35,773
Speaker 2: And given it as Mental Health Awareness Week, which has

1636
01:24:35,813 --> 01:24:38,333
Speaker 2: sort of been everywhere this week, it is. Yeah, it

1637
01:24:38,453 --> 01:24:39,733
Speaker 2: is probably even more prominent.

1638
01:24:40,653 --> 01:24:40,853
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1639
01:24:40,973 --> 01:24:44,693
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's really interesting. When I'm talking to organizations and

1640
01:24:44,733 --> 01:24:46,973
Speaker 22: groups of people are often you know, start with a

1641
01:24:47,013 --> 01:24:49,333
Speaker 22: pop quiz around you know, what percentage do you of

1642
01:24:49,413 --> 01:24:51,973
Speaker 22: people in New Zealand do you think will have experienced

1643
01:24:52,013 --> 01:24:55,293
Speaker 22: a major mental health problem in their lifetime? And estimates

1644
01:24:55,973 --> 01:24:59,933
Speaker 22: very wide, you know, wildly from thirty three percent. You know,

1645
01:25:00,293 --> 01:25:02,933
Speaker 22: it's almost everybody, isn't it, depending on your definition. So

1646
01:25:03,333 --> 01:25:06,733
Speaker 22: but yeah, I think most people are sort of blown

1647
01:25:06,733 --> 01:25:09,693
Speaker 22: away when it's eighty percent, and you know that the

1648
01:25:10,013 --> 01:25:12,173
Speaker 22: need and data is from the needan study. Data is

1649
01:25:12,293 --> 01:25:15,533
Speaker 22: probably a bit more better for one of a better

1650
01:25:15,613 --> 01:25:17,493
Speaker 22: term than the Ministry of health data because it's just

1651
01:25:17,573 --> 01:25:19,973
Speaker 22: more in depth and so more likely to be accurate,

1652
01:25:20,013 --> 01:25:22,453
Speaker 22: I think. But people typically now go, yeah, do you

1653
01:25:22,493 --> 01:25:23,133
Speaker 22: know what I reckon?

1654
01:25:23,213 --> 01:25:23,653
Speaker 3: That's true?

1655
01:25:23,693 --> 01:25:26,573
Speaker 22: If it's if it's not me, it's it's my partner,

1656
01:25:26,613 --> 01:25:29,573
Speaker 22: it's my mother, it's one of my kids. And the

1657
01:25:29,653 --> 01:25:32,053
Speaker 22: idea really is that, you know, mental health problems are

1658
01:25:32,173 --> 01:25:34,573
Speaker 22: not something weird that only a few, you know, a

1659
01:25:34,653 --> 01:25:38,853
Speaker 22: small proportion of people experience. It's pretty much three quarters

1660
01:25:38,973 --> 01:25:41,533
Speaker 22: or almost all of us. And so you know, the

1661
01:25:41,653 --> 01:25:44,013
Speaker 22: more that we can all do to protect our mental health,

1662
01:25:44,053 --> 01:25:47,053
Speaker 22: the better, because you know it's going to be somebody

1663
01:25:47,453 --> 01:25:49,533
Speaker 22: near to you if not you So, so the more

1664
01:25:49,613 --> 01:25:51,653
Speaker 22: that we can do to talk about it, to keep

1665
01:25:51,733 --> 01:25:53,533
Speaker 22: talking about it, to keep being aware of it and

1666
01:25:53,613 --> 01:25:54,493
Speaker 22: preventing it, the better.

1667
01:25:54,693 --> 01:25:54,853
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1668
01:25:54,973 --> 01:25:57,293
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So You've got five tips for us this morning,

1669
01:25:57,413 --> 01:26:01,173
Speaker 2: Five ways to well being for find our mental health.

1670
01:26:01,893 --> 01:26:04,333
Speaker 22: Yeah, and this picks up on the Mental Health Foundations,

1671
01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:08,293
Speaker 22: you know, top up Together, which is their theme, has

1672
01:26:08,333 --> 01:26:10,613
Speaker 22: been their theme for the week, and talking about the

1673
01:26:10,693 --> 01:26:13,053
Speaker 22: five ways to well being, and the five ways to

1674
01:26:13,133 --> 01:26:17,253
Speaker 22: well being are and brief. The most people know these,

1675
01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:20,293
Speaker 22: but connect, be active, take notice, keep learning, and give

1676
01:26:20,733 --> 01:26:22,933
Speaker 22: Now They're not just random either. There's quite a lot

1677
01:26:22,973 --> 01:26:27,013
Speaker 22: of research behind those as five sort of key you know,

1678
01:26:27,173 --> 01:26:30,013
Speaker 22: key things that you can do every every day or

1679
01:26:30,053 --> 01:26:32,293
Speaker 22: every week or just you know, very regularly that will

1680
01:26:32,413 --> 01:26:33,973
Speaker 22: just really bolster and boost up.

1681
01:26:34,053 --> 01:26:34,773
Speaker 4: Your mental health.

1682
01:26:34,933 --> 01:26:38,773
Speaker 22: So yeah, so for me, my my my favorite one

1683
01:26:38,773 --> 01:26:42,973
Speaker 22: of these is connect, which is every third Thursday of

1684
01:26:43,013 --> 01:26:44,493
Speaker 22: the month, which is a bit of a tongue twister.

1685
01:26:44,853 --> 01:26:46,653
Speaker 22: Every third Thursday of the month that me and a

1686
01:26:46,773 --> 01:26:50,213
Speaker 22: group of friends get together. We have Thirsty Thursday at

1687
01:26:50,253 --> 01:26:53,773
Speaker 22: our local and you know it's just after work and

1688
01:26:53,813 --> 01:26:55,893
Speaker 22: people drop in and you know, some people have a

1689
01:26:55,973 --> 01:26:58,333
Speaker 22: beer and some people have a you know, a soft drink.

1690
01:26:58,373 --> 01:27:01,093
Speaker 22: It doesn't doesn't really matter. The idea is that, hey,

1691
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:03,853
Speaker 22: this is just a time just to you know, catch

1692
01:27:03,973 --> 01:27:06,293
Speaker 22: up with each other, do life with one another, see

1693
01:27:06,413 --> 01:27:09,333
Speaker 22: how you're going. And it's just I just look forward

1694
01:27:09,373 --> 01:27:11,333
Speaker 22: to every month. It's just like, ah, yes, we got

1695
01:27:11,373 --> 01:27:15,733
Speaker 22: Thursdayday this week, and it's just it's just super good.

1696
01:27:15,773 --> 01:27:18,293
Speaker 22: And I think it's just you know, where you can

1697
01:27:18,373 --> 01:27:20,613
Speaker 22: be in a space with people where you can just

1698
01:27:20,773 --> 01:27:23,493
Speaker 22: be yourself and just be sort of real and just

1699
01:27:23,653 --> 01:27:26,773
Speaker 22: have good conversation. We don't always agree about everything. We've

1700
01:27:26,773 --> 01:27:29,933
Speaker 22: got people from different political persuasions and we even have

1701
01:27:29,973 --> 01:27:32,293
Speaker 22: an Australian in the group, so that's you know, we're

1702
01:27:32,333 --> 01:27:36,653
Speaker 22: open to everybody. So yeah, so that that that's connected.

1703
01:27:37,053 --> 01:27:41,693
Speaker 22: And I really love doing that. Yeah, being active. Get

1704
01:27:41,813 --> 01:27:44,333
Speaker 22: up every day. I'm up at six, usually up for

1705
01:27:44,373 --> 01:27:46,253
Speaker 22: a forty five minute walk, fifty minute walk or so,

1706
01:27:46,413 --> 01:27:47,933
Speaker 22: which is I didn't used.

1707
01:27:47,773 --> 01:27:48,373
Speaker 4: To love doing that.

1708
01:27:48,773 --> 01:27:53,893
Speaker 22: It's been a habit that I have worked on and

1709
01:27:54,053 --> 01:27:56,013
Speaker 22: now I'm at the point where if I don't do it,

1710
01:27:56,053 --> 01:27:59,093
Speaker 22: I kind of really miss it, and which which is

1711
01:27:59,173 --> 01:28:03,093
Speaker 22: really good. Taking notice this week has prompted me to

1712
01:28:03,173 --> 01:28:05,733
Speaker 22: sort of start up and mindfulness practice again. I've i

1713
01:28:05,933 --> 01:28:08,373
Speaker 22: go on off mindfulness in terms of my practice of it,

1714
01:28:08,533 --> 01:28:10,133
Speaker 22: not not as a fan of it. So I'm just

1715
01:28:10,333 --> 01:28:13,453
Speaker 22: just gently starting a bit more of mindfulness or returning

1716
01:28:13,493 --> 01:28:17,613
Speaker 22: to mindfulness practice again, which is nice. Nice keep learning.

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01:28:18,253 --> 01:28:21,653
Speaker 22: Number four, I use my wife for other than me

1718
01:28:21,693 --> 01:28:23,493
Speaker 22: as an example. She's in the middle of a twenty

1719
01:28:23,613 --> 01:28:28,293
Speaker 22: week today O course online and so every Tuesday night

1720
01:28:28,413 --> 01:28:30,573
Speaker 22: she shuts yourself off into one of the one of

1721
01:28:30,573 --> 01:28:34,293
Speaker 22: the rooms and practices today and it's all you know,

1722
01:28:34,493 --> 01:28:37,173
Speaker 22: full I version today. So it's just not allowed to

1723
01:28:37,173 --> 01:28:39,653
Speaker 22: speak English during that time. I'm not allowed to interrupt

1724
01:28:39,693 --> 01:28:42,213
Speaker 22: her unless I'm going to speak today, which I can't really.

1725
01:28:42,133 --> 01:28:43,253
Speaker 3: Do, so I don't interrupt you.

1726
01:28:44,373 --> 01:28:47,693
Speaker 22: But again, it's that learning that's it's that really keeping

1727
01:28:47,773 --> 01:28:51,653
Speaker 22: those those brain cells active, and it's keeping your mental

1728
01:28:51,733 --> 01:28:53,133
Speaker 22: well being at the forefront.

1729
01:28:53,533 --> 01:28:56,613
Speaker 2: So you feel like you're progressing too, don't you. If

1730
01:28:56,613 --> 01:28:58,813
Speaker 2: you're learning, even if you're learning slowly, you still feel

1731
01:28:58,853 --> 01:29:00,333
Speaker 2: like even if other parts of your life are a

1732
01:29:00,373 --> 01:29:02,333
Speaker 2: bit in a bit of trouble, then you know, you

1733
01:29:02,413 --> 01:29:04,653
Speaker 2: feel like you're progressing in one area or something.

1734
01:29:04,973 --> 01:29:07,013
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing, and it gives you,

1735
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:09,893
Speaker 22: It gives us, gives often gives people that sense of

1736
01:29:09,933 --> 01:29:12,773
Speaker 22: what we call mastery. So it might not be particularly

1737
01:29:12,893 --> 01:29:16,333
Speaker 22: enjoyable at the time, but as you master the skills,

1738
01:29:16,373 --> 01:29:19,853
Speaker 22: there is a real sense of pleasure or a sense

1739
01:29:19,893 --> 01:29:22,093
Speaker 22: of achievement that people get out of that. It doesn't

1740
01:29:22,093 --> 01:29:23,813
Speaker 22: have to be a language, obviously, it could be could

1741
01:29:23,813 --> 01:29:26,413
Speaker 22: be anything. But I think that's that's that real sense

1742
01:29:26,413 --> 01:29:30,333
Speaker 22: of pleasure and mastery that you get from from learning something.

1743
01:29:31,053 --> 01:29:35,213
Speaker 22: Now and what number five is give, give, Give, Give, Give,

1744
01:29:35,653 --> 01:29:39,893
Speaker 22: give your time, give your efforts, give your energies, Give.

1745
01:29:39,733 --> 01:29:41,893
Speaker 2: Your body to the longitudinal study.

1746
01:29:42,773 --> 01:29:44,933
Speaker 22: Yeah, give you actually, do you know what the last No,

1747
01:29:45,053 --> 01:29:46,853
Speaker 22: not the last time, but two times ago when I

1748
01:29:47,013 --> 01:29:50,613
Speaker 22: was down speaking of giving your body, Richie Pulton came

1749
01:29:50,653 --> 01:29:53,453
Speaker 22: around and said, now we're just sort of we're just

1750
01:29:53,493 --> 01:29:56,493
Speaker 22: floating the idea. We're just floating the idea just we

1751
01:29:56,573 --> 01:29:59,053
Speaker 22: haven't decided on it yet, but would you think about

1752
01:29:59,133 --> 01:30:02,293
Speaker 22: donating your body to the den study at the end

1753
01:30:02,333 --> 01:30:05,173
Speaker 22: of your life? And it was like a very I

1754
01:30:05,453 --> 01:30:08,693
Speaker 22: was I was like, do you know what, Maybe I

1755
01:30:09,093 --> 01:30:11,693
Speaker 22: maybe I will, maybe I'll do that, Maybe that will

1756
01:30:11,733 --> 01:30:16,773
Speaker 22: be a lasting kind of lasting kind of gift for

1757
01:30:16,933 --> 01:30:19,093
Speaker 22: one of a better term. But yeah, any way that

1758
01:30:19,173 --> 01:30:21,413
Speaker 22: you can give. We know, there's lots of research that

1759
01:30:21,653 --> 01:30:26,533
Speaker 22: shows that when people volunteer, particularly something completely unrelated to

1760
01:30:26,613 --> 01:30:28,853
Speaker 22: their work or their life, it's really really good for

1761
01:30:28,973 --> 01:30:32,733
Speaker 22: the person volunteering. So the more that you can give, again,

1762
01:30:33,053 --> 01:30:36,133
Speaker 22: it's a boost for your mental well being. So yeah,

1763
01:30:36,213 --> 01:30:38,893
Speaker 22: think about those five tips and about what you can

1764
01:30:39,013 --> 01:30:42,573
Speaker 22: do individually over the next week, just just to just

1765
01:30:42,733 --> 01:30:44,413
Speaker 22: you know, just to do at least one or two

1766
01:30:44,533 --> 01:30:47,293
Speaker 22: of those bolster up, and to bolster up you will being.

1767
01:30:47,373 --> 01:30:49,133
Speaker 2: Oh so good. Thank you so much, doogle.

1768
01:30:49,653 --> 01:30:49,813
Speaker 22: Thanks.

1769
01:30:49,853 --> 01:30:51,453
Speaker 2: If you want to top it up yourself, you can

1770
01:30:51,533 --> 01:30:55,293
Speaker 2: go to www dot m h a W. That's Mental

1771
01:30:55,373 --> 01:30:59,253
Speaker 2: Health Awareness Week em AW dot NZ. We'll make sure

1772
01:30:59,293 --> 01:31:00,853
Speaker 2: there's a link to that on the news talks he'd

1773
01:31:00,893 --> 01:31:01,893
Speaker 2: b website as well.

1774
01:31:03,093 --> 01:31:05,853
Speaker 4: Travel with when you Will Tours Where the world is

1775
01:31:05,973 --> 01:31:06,973
Speaker 4: yours girl.

1776
01:31:07,733 --> 01:31:07,933
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1777
01:31:08,053 --> 01:31:11,413
Speaker 2: Travel correspondent Mike Yardley has tips on tripping to India

1778
01:31:11,493 --> 01:31:15,293
Speaker 2: for first times this morning, and Mike, India is an

1779
01:31:15,333 --> 01:31:17,973
Speaker 2: amazing place. It can be a bit of an intimidating

1780
01:31:18,053 --> 01:31:20,973
Speaker 2: destination for some people, but you are fresh back from India.

1781
01:31:21,053 --> 01:31:21,653
Speaker 7: So how was it?

1782
01:31:22,573 --> 01:31:26,133
Speaker 23: Yes, I was listening to your reminiscing on the Commonwealth

1783
01:31:26,253 --> 01:31:29,733
Speaker 23: Games deck and I have to say my latest encounter

1784
01:31:30,213 --> 01:31:35,853
Speaker 23: was absolutely your classic convulsing sensory assault from the sublime

1785
01:31:35,933 --> 01:31:39,693
Speaker 23: to the ridiculous. The thing that I've found really interesting, though,

1786
01:31:39,893 --> 01:31:42,613
Speaker 23: was it's been fourteen years since I was last in India,

1787
01:31:43,333 --> 01:31:46,453
Speaker 23: and you can see the transformation to the country like

1788
01:31:46,613 --> 01:31:51,573
Speaker 23: it's palpable. Things like road travel just so much faster.

1789
01:31:51,733 --> 01:31:56,453
Speaker 23: Those major highway projects have slash journey time, although the

1790
01:31:56,533 --> 01:32:00,573
Speaker 23: standard of driving behavior is still abismal in India. Oh

1791
01:32:00,653 --> 01:32:03,773
Speaker 23: my god, they are the world's biggest undertakers, I reckon,

1792
01:32:04,493 --> 01:32:10,133
Speaker 23: it's just so random. New Delhi struck me as decidedly

1793
01:32:10,373 --> 01:32:13,213
Speaker 23: cleaner than I recall from fourteen years ago, far ly

1794
01:32:13,333 --> 01:32:15,973
Speaker 23: sliitter on the streets, although once you get out of

1795
01:32:15,973 --> 01:32:19,093
Speaker 23: the big cities on the highway and the smaller towns,

1796
01:32:19,693 --> 01:32:24,253
Speaker 23: those mounds of rubbish polluting the roadside are still depressingly

1797
01:32:24,413 --> 01:32:27,613
Speaker 23: conspicuous and something which I think is really tragic.

1798
01:32:27,733 --> 01:32:27,933
Speaker 15: Jack.

1799
01:32:28,253 --> 01:32:30,853
Speaker 23: A lot of those wandering cows that people love seeing

1800
01:32:30,933 --> 01:32:35,013
Speaker 23: because they're you know, so famously bestowed with sacred status.

1801
01:32:35,093 --> 01:32:38,333
Speaker 23: A lot of those cows on the roadside actually succumb

1802
01:32:38,773 --> 01:32:43,053
Speaker 23: to choking on plastic while foraging for food scraps, amongst

1803
01:32:43,093 --> 01:32:45,813
Speaker 23: all those heaving piles of litter. So it was a

1804
01:32:45,933 --> 01:32:46,533
Speaker 23: sad note.

1805
01:32:46,893 --> 01:32:50,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is a bit grim, isn't it. It's yeah,

1806
01:32:51,253 --> 01:32:53,933
Speaker 2: you see sort of humanity in all its extremes when

1807
01:32:53,973 --> 01:32:56,413
Speaker 2: you're in India, right, And obviously poverty is one of

1808
01:32:56,453 --> 01:32:58,613
Speaker 2: the things that many people are confronted by when traveling

1809
01:32:58,653 --> 01:33:01,853
Speaker 2: in India. What was your sense is still very conspicuous.

1810
01:33:02,933 --> 01:33:06,253
Speaker 23: Yeah, particularly on the outskirts of New Delhi and around

1811
01:33:06,453 --> 01:33:09,453
Speaker 23: by the airport, there were plenty of mothers and children

1812
01:33:09,573 --> 01:33:14,013
Speaker 23: begging at those busy traffic intersections. I still saw quite

1813
01:33:14,013 --> 01:33:17,253
Speaker 23: a few people blathely taking a dump on the footpath.

1814
01:33:17,973 --> 01:33:21,853
Speaker 23: But that being said, certainly not on the scale that

1815
01:33:22,013 --> 01:33:25,653
Speaker 23: I vividly recalled from fourteen years ago. And what I

1816
01:33:25,773 --> 01:33:29,333
Speaker 23: did not this, particularly around places like New Delhi Airport,

1817
01:33:29,413 --> 01:33:35,293
Speaker 23: there are these forests of gleaning, new apartment house sprouting everywhere,

1818
01:33:35,893 --> 01:33:38,733
Speaker 23: and I mean that's proof positive of the booming middle

1819
01:33:38,773 --> 01:33:42,053
Speaker 23: class that has doubled in size in just twenty years.

1820
01:33:42,813 --> 01:33:44,933
Speaker 23: I was looking at the World Bank stats, they reckon

1821
01:33:45,053 --> 01:33:50,413
Speaker 23: that nearly two hundred million Indian people have been lifted

1822
01:33:50,533 --> 01:33:54,213
Speaker 23: out of extreme poverty in the past decade alone, which

1823
01:33:54,293 --> 01:33:58,173
Speaker 23: is absolutely staggering. And yeah, the thing that really struck

1824
01:33:58,253 --> 01:34:02,053
Speaker 23: me the swath of slums that I recall from fourteen

1825
01:34:02,133 --> 01:34:05,893
Speaker 23: years ago. They have dramatically shrunken size. So that's a

1826
01:34:06,093 --> 01:34:11,013
Speaker 23: real affirming observation, you know, to see that India is

1827
01:34:11,053 --> 01:34:11,533
Speaker 23: on a roll.

1828
01:34:11,733 --> 01:34:14,053
Speaker 2: So for the first time is what would you say

1829
01:34:14,173 --> 01:34:15,453
Speaker 2: is the best way to get around?

1830
01:34:16,413 --> 01:34:18,333
Speaker 23: Yeah, well, there's lots of options. You could do the

1831
01:34:18,373 --> 01:34:21,093
Speaker 23: budget train like Jack Taman did after the Commonwealth Games.

1832
01:34:22,253 --> 01:34:24,653
Speaker 2: Well, it was an experience I remember it to this day,

1833
01:34:24,733 --> 01:34:26,533
Speaker 2: you know, So i'd taken a luxury coach.

1834
01:34:26,573 --> 01:34:30,173
Speaker 23: I don't think I would, Oh man, Yeah, I haven't

1835
01:34:30,213 --> 01:34:32,253
Speaker 23: done the luxury trains in India and I know a

1836
01:34:32,293 --> 01:34:34,773
Speaker 23: lot of people rave about them, like the Maharaja Express

1837
01:34:34,893 --> 01:34:37,533
Speaker 23: and so forth. So that's a good option if you

1838
01:34:37,613 --> 01:34:40,533
Speaker 23: are a first time I would definitely say get a

1839
01:34:40,613 --> 01:34:45,013
Speaker 23: guide to do a guided to her. I actually went

1840
01:34:45,053 --> 01:34:48,333
Speaker 23: to India with Wendy Woo Tour. It's our sponsor Amazing,

1841
01:34:49,133 --> 01:34:52,413
Speaker 23: So they do lots of options. You can do like

1842
01:34:52,493 --> 01:34:55,333
Speaker 23: a big group guided to it. But I would actually

1843
01:34:55,373 --> 01:34:58,093
Speaker 23: suggest you go with one of the private tours so

1844
01:34:58,773 --> 01:35:01,693
Speaker 23: it's just you or your loved ones if you're not

1845
01:35:01,813 --> 01:35:05,093
Speaker 23: traveling alone with a guide and a driver, and it's

1846
01:35:05,133 --> 01:35:08,533
Speaker 23: still a really a audible way to navigate Indian And

1847
01:35:08,613 --> 01:35:12,693
Speaker 23: what I love about this options you have complete flexibility

1848
01:35:13,253 --> 01:35:16,893
Speaker 23: over the itinery. You can optimize it to the max

1849
01:35:17,413 --> 01:35:20,093
Speaker 23: to suit your preferences. So whether you're traveling alone with

1850
01:35:20,213 --> 01:35:23,453
Speaker 23: a partner, of friends, family, Wendy, where will get you

1851
01:35:23,613 --> 01:35:26,813
Speaker 23: sorted And it really is a good way to feel immersed,

1852
01:35:26,933 --> 01:35:29,373
Speaker 23: you know, authentically with real India.

1853
01:35:29,733 --> 01:35:33,773
Speaker 2: And the Golden Triangle is probably the most popular route, right.

1854
01:35:34,453 --> 01:35:37,813
Speaker 23: Yeah, I would definitely suggest the Golden Triangle as the

1855
01:35:37,893 --> 01:35:42,653
Speaker 23: best introduction because you see so many, you know, iconic landmarks.

1856
01:35:42,773 --> 01:35:45,613
Speaker 23: You do get a real sense of big city, small

1857
01:35:45,693 --> 01:35:50,573
Speaker 23: town and it's quite a compact touring route. So we'll

1858
01:35:50,573 --> 01:35:52,773
Speaker 23: talk about some of those key destinations over the next

1859
01:35:52,813 --> 01:35:55,693
Speaker 23: three weeks. But you've got the head swirl of old

1860
01:35:56,133 --> 01:36:00,093
Speaker 23: and New Deli, you've got the marvels of Agra headlined

1861
01:36:00,133 --> 01:36:04,333
Speaker 23: by the taj and my favorite Indian city, Jpaw is

1862
01:36:04,413 --> 01:36:06,893
Speaker 23: part of that circuit. In terms of of win to

1863
01:36:07,013 --> 01:36:10,373
Speaker 23: go October to April is the best time to tour

1864
01:36:10,453 --> 01:36:14,253
Speaker 23: the Golden Triangle with the wise because once you hit

1865
01:36:14,453 --> 01:36:17,333
Speaker 23: May June all the way through to August, you will

1866
01:36:17,373 --> 01:36:20,533
Speaker 23: be battling forty five degrees plus and of course the

1867
01:36:20,653 --> 01:36:24,213
Speaker 23: monsooners in full cry July August. So yeah, sort of

1868
01:36:24,253 --> 01:36:28,933
Speaker 23: time it from now through to about April for optimum touring.

1869
01:36:29,173 --> 01:36:29,373
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1870
01:36:29,653 --> 01:36:35,653
Speaker 2: I remember in Gypaul because Jaipaul is the capital of Rajasthan, right, Yeah,

1871
01:36:36,373 --> 01:36:39,733
Speaker 2: I just remember having the most incredible lassie and the

1872
01:36:39,893 --> 01:36:45,093
Speaker 2: and the and the clay pots, lovely clay. Yes, it's

1873
01:36:45,133 --> 01:36:48,493
Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous, so good. What is the go with tipping?

1874
01:36:49,533 --> 01:36:54,293
Speaker 23: I think USA, maybe even think USA with great insistence

1875
01:36:54,533 --> 01:36:59,253
Speaker 23: because it's not just recommended, but expected, if not imposed,

1876
01:36:59,493 --> 01:37:03,453
Speaker 23: on your bill. Right across the service industry, so definitely

1877
01:37:03,533 --> 01:37:07,173
Speaker 23: in restaurants and cafes for food and drink, it's ten percent,

1878
01:37:07,613 --> 01:37:11,253
Speaker 23: no questions asked. And be sure to have a few

1879
01:37:11,333 --> 01:37:17,293
Speaker 23: rupees for the likes of porters, ritual riders, guides, taxis.

1880
01:37:17,853 --> 01:37:20,453
Speaker 23: But generally you won't need a lot of rupees for India,

1881
01:37:20,573 --> 01:37:23,533
Speaker 23: it's just for those little service charges. Generally credit cards

1882
01:37:23,613 --> 01:37:24,653
Speaker 23: good to go wherever you go.

1883
01:37:25,013 --> 01:37:27,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I mean that that I think, yeah,

1884
01:37:28,573 --> 01:37:31,293
Speaker 2: is totally reasonable, right, Like, when you're traveling through someone

1885
01:37:31,373 --> 01:37:33,533
Speaker 2: like that and there's obviously big income disparities and stuff,

1886
01:37:33,533 --> 01:37:36,853
Speaker 2: it's like, actually, yeah, not too bad. It's not exactly

1887
01:37:37,253 --> 01:37:39,373
Speaker 2: none for being the most expensive place to travel anyway.

1888
01:37:39,653 --> 01:37:41,493
Speaker 2: What about dellibelly? How do you dodge it?

1889
01:37:42,933 --> 01:37:45,373
Speaker 23: It seems to be what people fear the most about India.

1890
01:37:46,253 --> 01:37:48,133
Speaker 23: I totally agree with you, Jack, when it comes to

1891
01:37:48,213 --> 01:37:52,053
Speaker 23: street food, it's probably where you're most likely to come

1892
01:37:52,133 --> 01:37:55,533
Speaker 23: unstuck if you don't use your scruples. So stick to

1893
01:37:55,653 --> 01:38:00,733
Speaker 23: popular stores with high turnover. Always opt for freshly cocked items.

1894
01:38:01,213 --> 01:38:05,173
Speaker 23: Do not go anywhere near uncocked ingredients. Steer clear of salads,

1895
01:38:05,613 --> 01:38:11,093
Speaker 23: be super cautious of water sources, always too spoiled or

1896
01:38:11,213 --> 01:38:14,693
Speaker 23: bottled drinks. I don't know if I've got an ironclad constitution,

1897
01:38:14,853 --> 01:38:17,613
Speaker 23: but I had no brushes with Deli Belly. But as

1898
01:38:17,653 --> 01:38:21,773
Speaker 23: a precaution, I yeah, yeah, And that's both fourteen years

1899
01:38:21,773 --> 01:38:25,253
Speaker 23: ago and just yeah last month, but definitely I added

1900
01:38:25,293 --> 01:38:29,213
Speaker 23: a packet of amodium tablets mo toiletory bag. And the

1901
01:38:29,333 --> 01:38:32,733
Speaker 23: idea is, at the first sign of any tummy turbulence,

1902
01:38:33,293 --> 01:38:35,253
Speaker 23: get some of those into you and you should be okay.

1903
01:38:35,413 --> 01:38:38,493
Speaker 23: But yeah, thankfully I was all good.

1904
01:38:38,773 --> 01:38:42,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I managed to avoid it for five weeks the

1905
01:38:42,093 --> 01:38:44,213
Speaker 2: first time I went, and in the second time I went.

1906
01:38:44,293 --> 01:38:46,533
Speaker 2: I think actually the thing, the thing that caused me

1907
01:38:46,613 --> 01:38:49,413
Speaker 2: most trouble wasn't so much the Deli belly, but was

1908
01:38:49,453 --> 01:38:51,973
Speaker 2: the air pollution. And if you got the wrong time

1909
01:38:52,013 --> 01:38:54,093
Speaker 2: a year in some parts of the air pollution can

1910
01:38:54,133 --> 01:38:56,293
Speaker 2: be terrible. So have you got any other tips for us?

1911
01:38:57,293 --> 01:38:59,653
Speaker 23: Well, I would say definitely get a visitor visa for

1912
01:38:59,773 --> 01:39:03,533
Speaker 23: India before you depart, because you will speed through the

1913
01:39:03,613 --> 01:39:06,693
Speaker 23: airport arrivals process stress free. I couldn't believe ve how

1914
01:39:06,773 --> 01:39:10,213
Speaker 23: fast it was a few weeks ago. You can apply

1915
01:39:10,333 --> 01:39:13,013
Speaker 23: for a visa on a rival, but you don't want

1916
01:39:13,053 --> 01:39:15,133
Speaker 23: to do that after a long flight from New Zealand

1917
01:39:15,493 --> 01:39:18,013
Speaker 23: stuffing about in a queue for maybe two or three

1918
01:39:18,093 --> 01:39:21,493
Speaker 23: hours to deal with the local bureaucracy. So definitely get

1919
01:39:21,533 --> 01:39:24,933
Speaker 23: that visa in advance. And finally, if you need to

1920
01:39:25,093 --> 01:39:29,053
Speaker 23: use an Indian airline for any travel, particularly domestically, maybe

1921
01:39:29,053 --> 01:39:31,173
Speaker 23: you're going down to Mumbai from New Delhi for example,

1922
01:39:32,133 --> 01:39:35,053
Speaker 23: I would suggest you go with Indie Go. They are

1923
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Speaker 23: now the nation's biggest carrier. Obviously, people had concerns about India.

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Speaker 23: They had that terrible crash, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 23: months ago. But Indigo they've got super new planes and

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Speaker 23: a fabulous safety record.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Hey, thank you so much, Mike. We'll put all

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Speaker 2: the Mike's tips for taking your first trip to India

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Speaker 2: India for first timers on the news Talks Z'DB website

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Speaker 2: and Mike will be back with us over the next

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks to talk through some of those top destinations.

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Speaker 2: And it's just gone eleven thirty with Jack Tame. This

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Speaker 2: is Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team

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Speaker 1: on NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. Just coming up to twenty five to twelve. Jack,

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Speaker 2: We backpacked in India for nine months in nineteen eighty three.

1938
01:40:39,653 --> 01:40:41,933
Speaker 2: There were no plastic bags anywhere. The ones we brought

1939
01:40:41,973 --> 01:40:44,173
Speaker 2: into the country to store our clothes and our backpacks

1940
01:40:44,213 --> 01:40:47,413
Speaker 2: were valued like gold. The cows at the time did

1941
01:40:47,453 --> 01:40:49,933
Speaker 2: a wonderful job of helping to keep the streets clean.

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01:40:50,013 --> 01:40:52,693
Speaker 2: The most dangerous thing I saw a cow eat was

1943
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Speaker 2: a woman's bra. There you go, sure that it's better

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01:40:56,173 --> 01:40:57,893
Speaker 2: to have them on the grass or the hay or

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Speaker 2: something like that. Thank you very much for vback ninety

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Speaker 2: two ninety two as the text number. Jason Pine is

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Speaker 2: with us on weekend spport this afternoon killed Harlo Jack

1948
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Speaker 2: Mount Panorama. We get My goodness, are you a big

1949
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Speaker 2: Bathurst guy?

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Speaker 22: No?

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Speaker 4: Not really.

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Speaker 14: Motor Racing has never really been kind of in my

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01:41:15,933 --> 01:41:18,333
Speaker 14: wheelhouse of the sports I absolutely love.

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01:41:18,453 --> 01:41:20,733
Speaker 2: But having said that, you can watch it, you can

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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01:41:21,933 --> 01:41:25,373
Speaker 14: I can totally appreciate it, and I can also understand

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01:41:25,493 --> 01:41:27,773
Speaker 14: the attraction of it when you know this it's this

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01:41:28,173 --> 01:41:32,133
Speaker 14: mess of what's six six point one you know kilometer

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Speaker 14: track that you can basically park up anywhere around and

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Speaker 14: watch the action and you know, chair on the Kiwis.

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Speaker 14: It's almost like a bit of a pilgrimage and I

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Speaker 14: think almost a bucket list item for Kiwi motorsport fans

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Speaker 14: as well. Yeah, you know, it's so close to get this,

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01:41:45,853 --> 01:41:47,253
Speaker 14: but like the Melbourne Grand Prix, you know, it's just

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Speaker 14: across the across the ditch. It's easy to get to

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Speaker 14: and I.

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Speaker 2: Think most I know most most sports stands absolutely absolutely

1968
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Speaker 2: have it on the bucket list. I was going to say, dear,

1969
01:41:56,813 --> 01:41:58,973
Speaker 2: I say we use the I word. It's iconic. I think,

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01:41:59,013 --> 01:42:00,013
Speaker 2: isn't it iconic?

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Speaker 22: Yes?

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Speaker 14: I think you can absolutely say that, and so many

1973
01:42:03,133 --> 01:42:04,333
Speaker 14: iconic moments as well.

1974
01:42:05,893 --> 01:42:07,933
Speaker 2: I can't rememb who it was who hit the kangaroo

1975
01:42:08,053 --> 01:42:10,453
Speaker 2: on the back straight doing about two seventy or whatever.

1976
01:42:10,493 --> 01:42:17,173
Speaker 2: I think Craig I the most Australian thing ever, like, yeah,

1977
01:42:17,333 --> 01:42:20,573
Speaker 2: just like Ozzie as you know. Anyway, Yeah, Beth, this

1978
01:42:20,653 --> 01:42:24,733
Speaker 2: weekend fantastic, hard enough to win it once. Greg Murphy's

1979
01:42:24,733 --> 01:42:26,973
Speaker 2: won at four times, one of our absolute greats if

1980
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Speaker 2: we're talking about iconic motorsport names. Greg Murphy is going

1981
01:42:29,733 --> 01:42:32,253
Speaker 2: to lead us off after midday with a bit of

1982
01:42:32,293 --> 01:42:34,053
Speaker 2: a view ahead to this weekend but also a look

1983
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Speaker 2: at what it takes to do well there, and we'll

1984
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Speaker 2: obviously be dipping in and out of Bathroos right across

1985
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Nice and Joseph Parker's on the show this afternoon.

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Speaker 14: That's right in London. He's there already just building towards

1987
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Speaker 14: this fight against Fabio Wardley. The reward for winning this fight,

1988
01:42:50,253 --> 01:42:52,253
Speaker 14: if he's able to do that, is that he kind

1989
01:42:52,253 --> 01:42:54,893
Speaker 14: of puts himself next in line, if you like to

1990
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Speaker 14: fight Alexander Alexander Yusik for the undisputed Word Heavyweight Championship.

1991
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Speaker 14: So he's been building towards this, Joseph Parker. He's had

1992
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Speaker 14: three good wins recently his last six fights.

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Speaker 2: He's one.

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Speaker 14: He is in really tip top shape as I understand it,

1995
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Speaker 14: for this one. So how is he tracking with a

1996
01:43:11,813 --> 01:43:13,653
Speaker 14: couple of weeks to go? And does he feel as

1997
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Speaker 14: though if he wins that he does get the chance

1998
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Speaker 14: to fight?

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Speaker 22: You?

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Speaker 14: Sick for that? For that big one? So yeah, Joe

2001
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Speaker 14: Parker after one. Lots of other bits and pieces as well, Jack,

2002
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Speaker 14: a bit of rugby, bit of football, some cricket, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Try and come let you go? Can I just very

2004
01:43:27,413 --> 01:43:29,173
Speaker 2: quickly put you on the spot. So I started the

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Speaker 2: show this morning with a bit of a rant, a

2006
01:43:30,613 --> 01:43:33,293
Speaker 2: bit of a mude. So what do you reckon? Why

2007
01:43:33,493 --> 01:43:35,973
Speaker 2: is it that in football, of all sports, players are

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Speaker 2: just allowed to go up and moan to the referee

2009
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Speaker 2: and kind of get right in the referee's face, crowd

2010
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Speaker 2: out the referee if they're unhappy with the decision. Why

2011
01:43:42,773 --> 01:43:43,573
Speaker 2: are they allowed to do that?

2012
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Speaker 14: I think the answer to why they are is because

2013
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Speaker 14: they've always been allowed to. It's it's never been clamped

2014
01:43:49,013 --> 01:43:50,773
Speaker 14: down on the same way that it has in rugby.

2015
01:43:50,933 --> 01:43:52,853
Speaker 14: You chat back to the rugby referee and you get

2016
01:43:52,893 --> 01:43:55,413
Speaker 14: march ten meters straight away. Look, if they did that

2017
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Speaker 14: in football, if they started issuing instant yellow cards, or

2018
01:43:59,293 --> 01:44:02,333
Speaker 14: there was some sort of sanction for chatting to the referee,

2019
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Speaker 14: then it would stop almost instantly. But it just seems

2020
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Speaker 14: to be so deeply grained as this has also heard

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01:44:08,293 --> 01:44:11,013
Speaker 14: you say the writhing on the ground that the slightest

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01:44:11,653 --> 01:44:14,253
Speaker 14: suggestion of a of a contedy ankle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Look, I love I love football, as you know, Jack,

2025
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Speaker 14: I absolutely love it. But these two things, the you know,

2026
01:44:20,413 --> 01:44:23,653
Speaker 14: the surrounding referees and the and the play acting on

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Speaker 14: the ground are two things that I simply cannot abide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, All right, looking forward to the show

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Speaker 2: this us known Thank you, Sir Jason Pine with us

2030
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Speaker 2: for weekend Sport right after the midday news. Before midday,

2031
01:44:32,933 --> 01:44:34,893
Speaker 2: we'll play you a couple of songs from Jeff Tweedy's

2032
01:44:34,973 --> 01:44:38,253
Speaker 2: latest album, Twilight. Override your book picks for the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

2035
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Speaker 2: He'd be nineteen to twelve. On news Talks, he'd be

2036
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Speaker 2: Katherine Rains, our book reviewer, chooses two fantastic new reads

2037
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Speaker 2: for us every week. She's here with their picks for

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Speaker 2: the weekend. Get it, Catherine one Jack. Let us begin

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Speaker 2: with Fly Wild Swans by Jung Chang So.

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Speaker 18: Wild Swans, which was one of her first books, was

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01:45:04,773 --> 01:45:06,813
Speaker 18: published back in nineteen ninety one, and it had a

2042
01:45:06,853 --> 01:45:10,053
Speaker 18: real global impact and sold over thirty five million copies.

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Speaker 18: And it so told the story of three generations of

2044
01:45:12,773 --> 01:45:16,253
Speaker 18: women in the twentieth century of twentieth century China. It

2045
01:45:16,373 --> 01:45:19,133
Speaker 18: was her grandmother, her mother, and herself and then since

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01:45:19,493 --> 01:45:21,413
Speaker 18: since then she's gone on to write some more books,

2047
01:45:21,453 --> 01:45:25,253
Speaker 18: particularly a biography of mild the Untold Story. But in

2048
01:45:25,413 --> 01:45:28,733
Speaker 18: Fly Wild Swang, she actually returns to her grandmother's birth

2049
01:45:28,813 --> 01:45:31,773
Speaker 18: in nineteen hundred and the binding of her feet and

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01:45:31,893 --> 01:45:35,053
Speaker 18: her marriage at seventeen to a warlord whose household she

2051
01:45:35,333 --> 01:45:39,133
Speaker 18: escaped with her daughter and her arms, and that child

2052
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Speaker 18: grew up to join the communist struggle against the ruling

2053
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Speaker 18: com Tongue Party and married a fellow revolutionary who became

2054
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Speaker 18: a senior official in the Communist victory at the end

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Speaker 18: of the Civil War. But then Chang's parents both lost

2056
01:45:52,413 --> 01:45:55,213
Speaker 18: their faith in communism during the starvation in the early

2057
01:45:55,373 --> 01:45:58,613
Speaker 18: nineteen sixties as a result of Males's earlier policies, and

2058
01:45:58,693 --> 01:46:01,733
Speaker 18: they began this retreat from pological life, and it didn't

2059
01:46:01,773 --> 01:46:07,173
Speaker 18: really save them from persecution during the Cultural Revolution. You know,

2060
01:46:07,253 --> 01:46:10,453
Speaker 18: she covers that ground and Chung's kind of fourteen at

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01:46:10,493 --> 01:46:13,653
Speaker 18: that time, and then you know, really when the book

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01:46:13,733 --> 01:46:18,053
Speaker 18: ended in nineteen ninety one, China's gone from poverty to prosperity,

2063
01:46:18,213 --> 01:46:21,453
Speaker 18: and you know, the world's second largest economy, and Chung

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Speaker 18: herself sort of talks about that and Wild Swan's being

2065
01:46:24,773 --> 01:46:27,973
Speaker 18: banned in China, and she still went there and conducted

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01:46:28,053 --> 01:46:31,893
Speaker 18: research for a long time, actually for several years because

2067
01:46:31,893 --> 01:46:34,213
Speaker 18: that's where she was started to talk about her mild

2068
01:46:34,333 --> 01:46:36,933
Speaker 18: biography as well in the publication of that in two

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Speaker 18: thousand and five. And then eventually she's sort of placed

2070
01:46:40,173 --> 01:46:43,613
Speaker 18: under the surveillance and visas become more difficult, and you know,

2071
01:46:43,733 --> 01:46:46,733
Speaker 18: she's usually accompanied by minders, and in this book she

2072
01:46:46,853 --> 01:46:49,493
Speaker 18: really talks about China as that global powerhouse and that

2073
01:46:49,653 --> 01:46:52,333
Speaker 18: impact of their lives on her and her mother and

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Speaker 18: Wild Swan's is really about that experience, and it's you know,

2075
01:46:55,453 --> 01:46:58,173
Speaker 18: it's a really intriguing memoir, and you know, she has

2076
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Speaker 18: this ability to bring together the Chinese history and politics

2077
01:47:01,573 --> 01:47:04,973
Speaker 18: and really bring that to life in a very personal way.

2078
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Speaker 18: And it's a really interesting story in a really interesting

2079
01:47:07,733 --> 01:47:10,053
Speaker 18: you know what happened after the end of Wild Swans?

2080
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Speaker 2: Okay, So fly Wild Swan by Yung Chang is that book.

2081
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Speaker 2: Next up, Circle of Days by Ken Folletts.

2082
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Speaker 18: So one of my favorite books is actually a much

2083
01:47:19,293 --> 01:47:21,293
Speaker 18: older book of Ken Follet's called The Pillars of the Earth,

2084
01:47:21,333 --> 01:47:24,933
Speaker 18: which is he just writes historical fiction so well, and

2085
01:47:25,053 --> 01:47:27,653
Speaker 18: he's such a great story teller, and he has this

2086
01:47:27,813 --> 01:47:31,293
Speaker 18: ability to make something very old and ancient come to

2087
01:47:31,413 --> 01:47:34,853
Speaker 18: life in these very relatable characters. So in this he

2088
01:47:34,973 --> 01:47:37,973
Speaker 18: imagines how Stonehenge might have come to be, and it's

2089
01:47:38,093 --> 01:47:42,293
Speaker 18: told through the intertwining stories of herders and farmers and woodlanders,

2090
01:47:42,653 --> 01:47:46,933
Speaker 18: and it paints this really interesting picture of prehistoric life

2091
01:47:47,013 --> 01:47:49,413
Speaker 18: and the effort that it would have taken to unite

2092
01:47:49,453 --> 01:47:52,413
Speaker 18: these divided tribes and the pews is something actually to

2093
01:47:52,533 --> 01:47:55,293
Speaker 18: build something that was greater than themselves, and so you

2094
01:47:55,413 --> 01:47:57,813
Speaker 18: introduced to these characters from each tribe and you follow

2095
01:47:57,893 --> 01:48:00,773
Speaker 18: them throughout the story, and seef It and Joe are

2096
01:48:00,933 --> 01:48:03,413
Speaker 18: central to the story. And see if it's a flint

2097
01:48:03,493 --> 01:48:06,893
Speaker 18: miner and he lives in his brutal high but he's

2098
01:48:07,013 --> 01:48:10,013
Speaker 18: blessed with this really great talent for what he does

2099
01:48:10,373 --> 01:48:13,333
Speaker 18: and a very quiet resolve and personality. And then he

2100
01:48:13,373 --> 01:48:16,333
Speaker 18: meets this woman nine who's a herder, and she opens

2101
01:48:16,373 --> 01:48:18,933
Speaker 18: his eyes to this really different kind of life, you know,

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01:48:19,013 --> 01:48:21,653
Speaker 18: one built on love rather than dominance. And then there's

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01:48:21,733 --> 01:48:24,773
Speaker 18: jo whose Nien's younger sister, and she has this fascination

2104
01:48:24,933 --> 01:48:28,533
Speaker 18: with priestesses and ancient knowledge. And so the whole herd

2105
01:48:28,573 --> 01:48:31,093
Speaker 18: of community meets together on a quarterly basis where they

2106
01:48:31,133 --> 01:48:34,253
Speaker 18: gather to trade and feast and participate. And then the

2107
01:48:34,533 --> 01:48:38,053
Speaker 18: drought ravages the land and the tensions build and conflict simmers,

2108
01:48:38,213 --> 01:48:41,173
Speaker 18: and then you know, Joe has this dream of building

2109
01:48:41,253 --> 01:48:44,813
Speaker 18: this sacred circle to bring unity. And Follett's managed to

2110
01:48:44,893 --> 01:48:47,653
Speaker 18: fill the story with these great characters, as I said before,

2111
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Speaker 18: and some you like and some you despise, and he's

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01:48:50,453 --> 01:48:53,893
Speaker 18: really interesting and explanations of how the stones perhaps came

2113
01:48:54,013 --> 01:48:56,733
Speaker 18: to be and the world and society he imagines, and

2114
01:48:56,813 --> 01:48:59,853
Speaker 18: I really like it. It's great ancient history and that

2115
01:49:00,093 --> 01:49:03,493
Speaker 18: mystery of Stonehenge, and it's, you know, this simple but

2116
01:49:03,653 --> 01:49:06,133
Speaker 18: powerful tale. It's a bit slow in places, but actually

2117
01:49:06,493 --> 01:49:08,293
Speaker 18: slow on a reason and it kind of builds the

2118
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Speaker 18: story and it really makes it working. At seven hundred pages,

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Speaker 18: it's not a small book, but I've found myself flicking

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Speaker 18: through it quite quickly, to be honest, because it's such

2121
01:49:14,853 --> 01:49:15,453
Speaker 18: a great story.

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Speaker 5: Great.

2123
01:49:16,013 --> 01:49:18,453
Speaker 2: Okay, cool. So that's Circle of Days by Ken Follett,

2124
01:49:18,813 --> 01:49:22,013
Speaker 2: Catherine's first book again, Fly Wild Swans by Yung Chang.

2125
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Speaker 2: Will have all the details for both of those on

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01:49:24,253 --> 01:49:27,573
Speaker 2: the News talk z'b website. New music from Jeff Tweedy,

2127
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Speaker 2: he of Wilco Fame, in a couple of minutes on

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Speaker 2: News dog z'b.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to

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Speaker 1: Know Saturday morning with Jack dam News talk z Bess.

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Speaker 8: Stands a chance we get a coror in the pal.

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Speaker 2: That is Jeff Tweety. The song is called Caught Up

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Speaker 2: in the Past. He's got a new album called Twilight Override.

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Speaker 2: James Irwin has been listening and is with us this morning.

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Speaker 15: Hey, James, I have been Hi, Jack, I've been swimming,

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Speaker 15: not just listening. I've been swimming in this new Jeff

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01:50:35,933 --> 01:50:40,013
Speaker 15: Tweety triple album, Twilight over Right, And I mean it's

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01:50:40,053 --> 01:50:44,213
Speaker 15: a deeply human masterpiece. Thirty tracks, three discs, one big

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Speaker 15: emotional swing at the data side. I mean, off the

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01:50:46,373 --> 01:50:47,653
Speaker 15: top of your head, Jack, I don't know if you

2141
01:50:47,693 --> 01:50:50,093
Speaker 15: can think of any thirty track albums that are not

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01:50:50,453 --> 01:50:52,493
Speaker 15: you know, not solid gold compilation hits.

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01:50:52,773 --> 01:50:54,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sitting it's a lot.

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01:50:55,453 --> 01:50:55,653
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:50:55,813 --> 01:50:58,853
Speaker 15: I'm thinking the White album and Beatles' heads will either

2146
01:50:58,893 --> 01:51:00,853
Speaker 15: be texting in and going, yeah, it's only twenty eight,

2147
01:51:01,133 --> 01:51:04,733
Speaker 15: you know, or thirty two. Maybe one at home, I know,

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01:51:04,853 --> 01:51:10,253
Speaker 15: the minute Man's classic double Nickel on the dime. This album,

2149
01:51:10,413 --> 01:51:12,733
Speaker 15: is it the album to save humanity? Possibly not, But

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01:51:13,053 --> 01:51:15,373
Speaker 15: it's the kind of album that asks you to kind

2151
01:51:15,413 --> 01:51:19,253
Speaker 15: of slow down, unplug spend some time. You don't just

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01:51:19,333 --> 01:51:21,773
Speaker 15: throw this one on when you're you know, making toast,

2153
01:51:21,853 --> 01:51:24,533
Speaker 15: all all the kids lunches, your book time with it,

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01:51:24,733 --> 01:51:28,173
Speaker 15: like it's like that special family dinner. This almost needs

2155
01:51:28,213 --> 01:51:31,053
Speaker 15: the old proper sit down with the stereo, not the

2156
01:51:31,133 --> 01:51:34,053
Speaker 15: mono bluetooth speaker in the corner, but the old school,

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01:51:34,093 --> 01:51:36,093
Speaker 15: get it set up in the garage with that warmth

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01:51:36,213 --> 01:51:39,733
Speaker 15: and hum. Tweedy's gone big here and you can really

2159
01:51:39,773 --> 01:51:43,813
Speaker 15: feel the effort. It's not just quantity, it's quality, and

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01:51:43,933 --> 01:51:46,453
Speaker 15: it's kind of loaded up with emotion right from the

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01:51:46,573 --> 01:51:49,293
Speaker 15: very first track, Tiny Flower wirl Cup are going to

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01:51:49,333 --> 01:51:53,973
Speaker 15: wreck us that for me, kick Glow. It's glorious experimental

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01:51:54,053 --> 01:51:56,893
Speaker 15: folk and in a way, you know, thirty tracks that

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01:51:57,013 --> 01:51:59,453
Speaker 15: kind of feels like it's a vault clearing mission. But

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01:51:59,733 --> 01:52:02,373
Speaker 15: it's not the old dusty vault left over kind of way.

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01:52:02,533 --> 01:52:05,973
Speaker 15: This is already fresh, it's alive, it's overflowing. He's giving

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01:52:06,013 --> 01:52:08,013
Speaker 15: us here everything all in one hit, warts and all,

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01:52:08,733 --> 01:52:10,693
Speaker 15: instead of kind of you know, like the Princes of

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01:52:10,733 --> 01:52:13,893
Speaker 15: State they drip feeted over ten or twenty years. This

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01:52:14,053 --> 01:52:15,933
Speaker 15: is almost like going to the op shop finding a

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01:52:16,053 --> 01:52:20,133
Speaker 15: Scorsese film director's cut on DVD and then going home

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01:52:20,213 --> 01:52:22,853
Speaker 15: and watching all the outtakes and the extras and the

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01:52:23,293 --> 01:52:27,893
Speaker 15: you know and the alternative you know cuts. Tweety's main

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01:52:27,973 --> 01:52:29,613
Speaker 15: gig is a lot of people will know is fronting

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01:52:29,693 --> 01:52:35,213
Speaker 15: the band Wilco. He's the guy behind seminal albums, Yankee Hotel, Foxtrot,

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01:52:35,613 --> 01:52:38,413
Speaker 15: so he's I mean straight away, he's no strangers. He

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01:52:38,613 --> 01:52:41,733
Speaker 15: huge ideas. But this is I would say, is his

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01:52:41,853 --> 01:52:46,093
Speaker 15: most ambitious solo project yet, and it's not. At first

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01:52:46,173 --> 01:52:47,933
Speaker 15: I was worried when it was thirty tracks. I was like, Oh,

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01:52:48,013 --> 01:52:49,493
Speaker 15: this is just gonna be one of those rock star

2181
01:52:49,653 --> 01:52:53,813
Speaker 15: flex but it's not. It's a real musical lifeline he's

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01:52:53,853 --> 01:52:57,813
Speaker 15: given us here. He recorded it all at his Chicago studio,

2183
01:52:57,893 --> 01:53:01,173
Speaker 15: The Loft, with a band that includes his son Spencer

2184
01:53:01,293 --> 01:53:04,053
Speaker 15: and Sammy. So it's a big old family affair and

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01:53:04,253 --> 01:53:06,573
Speaker 15: you can kind of feel that in the closen and

2186
01:53:06,613 --> 01:53:10,093
Speaker 15: all the harmonies, in those fuzzy guitar licks, in the

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01:53:10,173 --> 01:53:13,853
Speaker 15: whispered lyrics, and in a way it has parallels to

2188
01:53:14,013 --> 01:53:16,453
Speaker 15: our own Neil Finn and his lad's limb and el

2189
01:53:16,573 --> 01:53:17,533
Speaker 15: Roy here and Alterra.

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01:53:18,733 --> 01:53:19,133
Speaker 2: He's got that.

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01:53:19,733 --> 01:53:21,973
Speaker 15: I feel like there's that same spirit of, you know,

2192
01:53:22,173 --> 01:53:24,693
Speaker 15: keeping it all close, keeping it family, keeping it musical.

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01:53:25,933 --> 01:53:28,653
Speaker 15: Disc One eases you in ever so gently. It's all

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01:53:28,693 --> 01:53:34,013
Speaker 15: acoustic textures, lyrical flashbacks, and it's got the signature tweedy

2195
01:53:34,213 --> 01:53:37,613
Speaker 15: vocal half whisper, half sort of shrug. It's really intimate

2196
01:53:38,013 --> 01:53:39,733
Speaker 15: and I feel like he's playing in my lounge when

2197
01:53:39,773 --> 01:53:42,293
Speaker 15: I sit there and listen to it. This two Starters

2198
01:53:42,413 --> 01:53:44,933
Speaker 15: starts to stretch it out a bit more. The arrangements

2199
01:53:44,973 --> 01:53:48,733
Speaker 15: get a bit bolder. There's electric guitars, lad percussion, there's

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01:53:48,813 --> 01:53:51,613
Speaker 15: fiddle and some synse. There's a track that I think

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01:53:51,613 --> 01:53:53,453
Speaker 15: we're going to hear at the end called feel Free,

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01:53:53,493 --> 01:53:56,213
Speaker 15: which I just think is gorgeous. It really stands out.

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01:53:56,333 --> 01:53:59,413
Speaker 15: It's a slow building seven minute mantra that just is

2204
01:53:59,533 --> 01:54:02,813
Speaker 15: kind of like a love letter to music, to creativity.

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01:54:03,173 --> 01:54:06,013
Speaker 15: It's gorgeous. And then we get into buy Disc three,

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01:54:06,493 --> 01:54:09,373
Speaker 15: things start to get a little bit wild, but not crazy.

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01:54:09,773 --> 01:54:11,893
Speaker 15: He's got The first track of dis three is called

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01:54:11,933 --> 01:54:13,373
Speaker 15: lou Reed was my babysitter.

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01:54:14,053 --> 01:54:14,813
Speaker 2: I don't think he was.

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01:54:14,893 --> 01:54:16,333
Speaker 15: I think it's part homage, part.

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01:54:16,253 --> 01:54:18,613
Speaker 2: Sort of feet connection. Yeah.

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01:54:18,773 --> 01:54:23,213
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a velvet underground style sort of jam. And

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01:54:23,373 --> 01:54:25,813
Speaker 15: there's another track on Disc three that I love. Twilight

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01:54:25,933 --> 01:54:29,213
Speaker 15: Override is just quietly devastating. It's just got something about

2215
01:54:29,253 --> 01:54:32,373
Speaker 15: it that's just grabbing me lyrically. Tweety's all over the place.

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01:54:32,413 --> 01:54:34,613
Speaker 15: He's like a fifty eight year old in that post

2217
01:54:34,733 --> 01:54:37,333
Speaker 15: midlife crisis. So he's done it all. He's got rid

2218
01:54:37,333 --> 01:54:42,613
Speaker 15: of the lifestyle lifestyle with the rockstar lifestyles. There's memories,

2219
01:54:42,693 --> 01:54:45,173
Speaker 15: there's middle age weirdness, there's the joy of just making

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01:54:45,253 --> 01:54:47,133
Speaker 15: music with the people he loves, and you can really

2221
01:54:47,173 --> 01:54:49,693
Speaker 15: feel it. You can hear a closeness in the mix.

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01:54:49,853 --> 01:54:52,093
Speaker 15: The harmonies are warm, but they're not perfect, and I

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01:54:52,173 --> 01:54:54,493
Speaker 15: love that. You can hear some some harmonies and you're like,

2224
01:54:54,613 --> 01:54:56,613
Speaker 15: that's not quite right, you haven't quite hit the note.

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01:54:56,893 --> 01:54:59,973
Speaker 15: The guitar tones a little bit fuzzy acoustically, but it's

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01:54:59,973 --> 01:55:02,773
Speaker 15: all really familiar for Wilco fans. You can hear. This

2227
01:55:02,973 --> 01:55:04,693
Speaker 15: is one of the things I always love about records.

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01:55:04,733 --> 01:55:06,133
Speaker 15: You can hear a cheer scrape in one of the

2229
01:55:06,173 --> 01:55:10,213
Speaker 15: side and you can you can catch the creaking yeah yeah,

2230
01:55:10,573 --> 01:55:13,213
Speaker 15: you can hear the heaving of that piano sustained pedal,

2231
01:55:13,413 --> 01:55:15,653
Speaker 15: and it reminds me of the old you know, the

2232
01:55:15,733 --> 01:55:17,853
Speaker 15: old primary school teacher belting out of tune in the

2233
01:55:17,933 --> 01:55:20,853
Speaker 15: school hall on a slightly out of tune piano. It's

2234
01:55:20,893 --> 01:55:21,973
Speaker 15: got that feel about it.

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01:55:22,093 --> 01:55:23,453
Speaker 2: So what did you give it, James?

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01:55:23,893 --> 01:55:24,013
Speaker 20: Oh?

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01:55:24,133 --> 01:55:26,373
Speaker 15: Look, this is a solid If we're out of ten,

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01:55:26,413 --> 01:55:28,013
Speaker 15: I can't remember out of ten or five is out

2239
01:55:28,013 --> 01:55:29,893
Speaker 15: of ten. What are we out of Out of ten,

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01:55:30,413 --> 01:55:32,973
Speaker 15: out of ten, I would give it for Wilco fans

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01:55:33,013 --> 01:55:35,493
Speaker 15: and Tweety junkies, it's a nine out of ten. For

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01:55:35,773 --> 01:55:37,653
Speaker 15: your average listener, it's probably a seven.

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01:55:38,093 --> 01:55:40,653
Speaker 2: Okay, it does sound sounds really good. I'm into Wilco,

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01:55:40,733 --> 01:55:41,933
Speaker 2: so that sounds like a bit of me. Thank you

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01:55:42,053 --> 01:55:42,853
Speaker 2: so much, Jane.

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01:55:42,933 --> 01:55:42,973
Speaker 10: So.

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01:55:43,333 --> 01:55:46,773
Speaker 2: Twilight over Read is Jeff Tweety's new album, Twilight Override.

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01:55:47,293 --> 01:55:48,333
Speaker 2: We'll have a bit more of a listening to a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with

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01:55:54,053 --> 01:55:55,853
Speaker 1: Jack Team News talks me.

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01:55:57,413 --> 01:56:01,013
Speaker 2: We are just about done for another Saturday morning. Thank

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01:56:01,053 --> 01:56:04,173
Speaker 2: you so much for your company and your communications. This morning,

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01:56:04,293 --> 01:56:06,333
Speaker 2: Jason Pine has weekend Sport in a couple of minutes

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Speaker 2: for everything from our show, go to the news talks,

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01:56:09,093 --> 01:56:11,613
Speaker 2: he'd be website. Thank you to my wonderful producer Libby

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01:56:11,733 --> 01:56:14,373
Speaker 2: for doing everything for us this morning. We'll leave you

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01:56:14,453 --> 01:56:17,013
Speaker 2: with Jeff Tweety. I'm back next week. Jeff Tweety's new

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01:56:17,053 --> 01:56:23,533
Speaker 2: album is Twilight Override. This is feel free, feel.

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Speaker 8: Free, spin around and get dizzy, do no.

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01:56:35,173 --> 01:56:49,253
Speaker 6: Persy, feel free, feel free, get yourself born.

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01:56:49,933 --> 01:56:50,853
Speaker 8: In the USA.

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Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live

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01:56:58,933 --> 01:57:01,733
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