1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Now, as I told you on Friday would happen. Dame 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Nolen Toto has been reinstated as the Silver Fern's head coach. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: She's back immediately, but she won't actually take up coaching 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: until the end of the year, after the Northern Tour 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: is over. Jenny Wiley is the chief executive of Netborn, 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: New Zealand. Hi Jenny, Hi, Heather. Okay, can you tell 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: us now why you stood her down? Oh? 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 2: I think it's been well documented that we had player 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: concerns raised and forout to work through. Oh, look, these 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: are confidential concerns. We're a workplace like anywhere else, and 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: athletes and employees need to be able to raise things 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: knowing they'll be retained in confidence. So we're treating it 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: no differently to any any workplace. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So has she apologized for the things that they 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: raised concerns over. 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's acknowledged that these concerns were things 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: that I personally, as CEE, could not walk past, and 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: that means that we all need to acknowledge that these 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: were legitimate for the pace pulled that race them. And 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: what we're really pleased about is we've been able to 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: reach going to work through. 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: Those Has she apologized for those things? 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: Well, Knowles has not been in that environment. So being 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: able to get in front of those players after the 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 2: Northern Tour and work through these things will no doubt 26 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: entail an acknowledgment of the concerns and in particular, how 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: we're going to move forward. 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: So she has acknowledged that those complaints will legit. 29 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: I think she's acknowledged that, you know, in a high 30 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: performance environment, there is a balance that needs to exist 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: between how do you find the edge but also who 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: people are, and I think we've been working on how 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: do we keep that balance top of mind for the 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: well being of these athletes. So being able to acknowledge 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: that concerns exist and that we're going to work through 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: them has been, you know, a really important factor for everyone. 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: So she has acknowledged she was wrong. 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 2: Well, I think you'll need to speak to Knowles about 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: what she plans on acknowledging or not with her athletes. 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: Hold on me. 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: In order for you guys to bring her back, you 42 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: must have had some acknowledgment from her. Has she acknowledged 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: to you that she's wrong? She has. 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: She has acknowledged that concerns exist in the environment, but 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: she is also in a place where she is working 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: with us on how do we move forward and put 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: the right princess is in place? 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: Has she acknowledged she was wrong? 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: I think she's acknowledged that concerns have existed in that environment. 50 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so she's acknowledged that there are concerns. We 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: know there are concerns because the concerns were raised. Has 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: she acknowledged that she was wrong? If she hasn't acknowledged 53 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: that she was wrong, have you guys cleared her? 54 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: Look, we have worked through a process with her, and 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: we have acknowledgment of these issues. These are things that 56 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: high performance environments work around all the time. 57 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: If she has cleared Jenny and she has this, looks 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: to me, are you going to go to the players 59 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: and tell them that they were wrong to raise this? 60 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: Not at all? Not at all. I think everyone is saying, 61 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: so the players were concerns that we're we are saying 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: that the player concerns have been listened to, we are 63 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: putting processes in place. 64 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: Are what processes? 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: Well, there's there's a number of things. So we've got 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: the period between now and year end to be able 67 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: to talk about what well being frameworks need to exist 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: to strengthen play a voice. We'll be using specialists from 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: throughout the sporting system. So I think sport has a 70 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: bit of a past, or a checkered past of of 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: how we deal with player concerns or athlete wellbeing or 72 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: coach wellbeing. So there's heaps of learnings that we're going 73 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: to put in place, and then we're going to determine 74 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: how do we roll these out into our environment on 75 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: a bit of a working group from. 76 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: The place to stop whatever it is that Noles did 77 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: last time from happening again. 78 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: Yep, We've got the next three months as a working 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: party on these frameworks that we believe need to be true. 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: We have some processes already that are in development, but 81 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: we need to be able to have player voice in 82 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: that at the moment, those players are in a campaign 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: and so we need to be able to introduce the 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: right mechanisms to hear what the players need. We need 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: the player. 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Realizing to any normal person, this just sounds like a 87 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: crop right now. You know that ain't well? 88 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's not. I mean, our intention is 89 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: to be able to ensure that our system is stronger 90 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: as a result of this, and we do believe that 91 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: we've got processes that we're going to be able to 92 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: put into place that ensure that strengthening of voice around 93 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 2: around the table for everyone. 94 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: So what this looks like to any normal person is 95 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: Nole's got stood down. Nothing has actually changed, She's got 96 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: brought back. Somebody made the wrong decision stand her down? 97 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: Then who stood her down? 98 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: So the Netbor New Zealand board took the decision that 99 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: because we were unable to reach agreement that needed to 100 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: be true the comparatnent Sorry. 101 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: Did Matt win a race? Stand her down? 102 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: No? If the Netbor New Zealand board took that decision. 103 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: The entire board and. 104 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: The board took that decision yet and they made it because. 105 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: You guys have stood it. You've stood down a world 106 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: class coach for two months and then you've just brought 107 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: her back and nothing has changed. So that says that 108 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: standing her down was a mistake. Am I right? 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: Not at all? No, we were unable to reach a 110 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: mutual agreement on the changes that were needed in that 111 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: environment in the heat of going into test matches. So 112 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: that's what we've been working on in the last two 113 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: months is reaching that agreement about the changes that were 114 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: needed in the system and in the sulfur. To ensure that. 115 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: You haven't you haven't reached any agreement, there is going 116 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: to be like some working group that's going to be 117 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: set up for the next few months to do it. 118 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: So you've brought her back without even that being decided. 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: Well, what we do have is our interim coaches will 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: remain excuse me, with the Ferns over the next few 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: months and that allows us that time to work when 122 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: we're not in a player facing environment to shure up 123 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: the systems that will be required and will provide the 124 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: safeguards for everybody. 125 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: Okay, Jenny, thanks for your time. I do appreciate it. 126 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm good luck with everything, Jenny Wilie, Chief executive Netborn 127 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: New Zealander. For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen 128 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: live to news talks that'd be from four pm weekdays, 129 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.