1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News talks'd b. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:14,267 Speaker 2: Well, I'm out not going to be rain. His scup 4 00:00:14,267 --> 00:00:17,667 Speaker 2: of the black Caps chances of reclaiming Crickets Chapel Hadley 5 00:00:17,747 --> 00:00:20,667 Speaker 2: Trophy last night second T twenty was eventually reduced down 6 00:00:20,707 --> 00:00:24,267 Speaker 2: to two point one overs, so basically abandoned. Bay Oval 7 00:00:24,387 --> 00:00:27,067 Speaker 2: is again the host for tonight's third and final match 8 00:00:27,067 --> 00:00:29,507 Speaker 2: of the series. Black Caps coach Rob Walter is with 9 00:00:29,627 --> 00:00:31,867 Speaker 2: us out of the mount despite the rain. Raw, are 10 00:00:31,907 --> 00:00:35,027 Speaker 2: you at least getting value from having the squad together? 11 00:00:36,667 --> 00:00:36,867 Speaker 3: Yeah? 12 00:00:36,987 --> 00:00:40,667 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Obviously disappointing that we don't have a shot at 13 00:00:41,587 --> 00:00:44,387 Speaker 4: winning back to Chapel had lead, but we'll sort of 14 00:00:44,427 --> 00:00:45,027 Speaker 4: focus on. 15 00:00:44,987 --> 00:00:47,187 Speaker 3: The givening on trying to level up the scores. 16 00:00:48,507 --> 00:00:50,147 Speaker 4: But could to you know, have a run under a 17 00:00:50,147 --> 00:00:51,947 Speaker 4: couple of days ago there was a good art thing 18 00:00:51,987 --> 00:00:54,907 Speaker 4: and a lot to learn from that. And then you know, 19 00:00:55,147 --> 00:00:57,787 Speaker 4: just hats off to the boys yesterday, even though there's 20 00:00:57,827 --> 00:00:59,987 Speaker 4: only thirteen balls, you know, you wait to run all 21 00:01:00,067 --> 00:01:02,867 Speaker 4: day to get an opportunity. I thought, you know, they 22 00:01:02,867 --> 00:01:04,467 Speaker 4: did the thirteen balls well, and. 23 00:01:04,387 --> 00:01:06,147 Speaker 3: To pity that you couldn't get some form of gam. 24 00:01:06,827 --> 00:01:08,347 Speaker 2: It's good to get the chance to chat to you, Rob. 25 00:01:08,387 --> 00:01:10,427 Speaker 2: You've been in the job four months now. Your first 26 00:01:10,427 --> 00:01:13,827 Speaker 2: assignment the T twenty try series with South Africa in Zimbabwe. 27 00:01:14,227 --> 00:01:16,587 Speaker 2: In Zimbabwe you won that. Then a comfortable two nil 28 00:01:16,627 --> 00:01:19,987 Speaker 2: Test series won against Zimbabwe was the main advantage for you, 29 00:01:20,387 --> 00:01:23,987 Speaker 2: The chance to spend time on tour with your players. 30 00:01:25,227 --> 00:01:26,147 Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely. 31 00:01:26,187 --> 00:01:29,747 Speaker 4: I think I always say that you only know really 32 00:01:29,827 --> 00:01:33,187 Speaker 4: the newhere kings of a team and an environment and 33 00:01:33,307 --> 00:01:36,307 Speaker 4: see walking issues. So it was good to just go 34 00:01:36,427 --> 00:01:38,947 Speaker 4: and to spend a lot of time observing and obviously 35 00:01:38,947 --> 00:01:42,467 Speaker 4: connecting with players and staff and just getting a sense 36 00:01:42,507 --> 00:01:46,467 Speaker 4: of half things operate and where the potential gaps are. 37 00:01:46,587 --> 00:01:48,587 Speaker 5: So yeah, it was. It was a great tour for that. 38 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:52,547 Speaker 2: The two Tests against Zimbabwe were very lopsided. You won 39 00:01:52,587 --> 00:01:54,427 Speaker 2: by nine wickets and then by an innings in three 40 00:01:54,467 --> 00:01:57,507 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine runs. Where do you find value 41 00:01:57,907 --> 00:02:00,427 Speaker 2: in lopsided contests like that? 42 00:02:02,827 --> 00:02:05,947 Speaker 4: I suppose you know, from a team point of view, 43 00:02:05,987 --> 00:02:08,067 Speaker 4: you sort of can only compete with what's in front 44 00:02:08,067 --> 00:02:09,707 Speaker 4: of you, and I thought you did that well. 45 00:02:10,067 --> 00:02:12,307 Speaker 5: The bat is, you know, you've still got. 46 00:02:12,147 --> 00:02:14,467 Speaker 4: To score the range you's got to apply yourself in 47 00:02:14,547 --> 00:02:17,027 Speaker 4: Test cricket, it doesn't matter who you're playing, and I 48 00:02:17,067 --> 00:02:21,107 Speaker 4: thought we'd certainly got better as the. 49 00:02:20,347 --> 00:02:21,387 Speaker 5: Two games went on. 50 00:02:22,187 --> 00:02:24,347 Speaker 3: And then from a bowling point of view, you know, we. 51 00:02:24,307 --> 00:02:27,987 Speaker 4: Had a couple of debut times, so the same thing applies. 52 00:02:28,027 --> 00:02:30,427 Speaker 3: You know, all of those wild we test batters, you 53 00:02:30,467 --> 00:02:30,627 Speaker 3: know a. 54 00:02:30,587 --> 00:02:33,187 Speaker 4: Lot of them have got Test hundreds and highly experienced, 55 00:02:33,227 --> 00:02:35,427 Speaker 4: so you still have to bowl well and put the 56 00:02:35,467 --> 00:02:37,867 Speaker 4: ball in the right area. Then for young guys making 57 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:40,507 Speaker 4: their debuts, I don't think it matters who you're playing against. 58 00:02:40,507 --> 00:02:42,787 Speaker 5: The will still be some sort of element of nerves there. 59 00:02:42,827 --> 00:02:46,707 Speaker 4: So to see them come in to the team and ready, 60 00:02:46,787 --> 00:02:50,027 Speaker 4: stand up and thrive was great and sort of great 61 00:02:50,027 --> 00:02:54,147 Speaker 4: indication of the environment as well. So whilst it was lopsided, 62 00:02:54,267 --> 00:02:56,307 Speaker 4: there's always you know, there's always stuff to take away 63 00:02:56,347 --> 00:02:58,467 Speaker 4: that I thought the guys did impressively. 64 00:02:58,507 --> 00:02:58,707 Speaker 5: Well. 65 00:02:59,267 --> 00:03:01,707 Speaker 2: How much of the summer is about preparing for the 66 00:03:01,747 --> 00:03:03,787 Speaker 2: T twenty World Cup in February and March. 67 00:03:05,627 --> 00:03:08,827 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, also have one eye on that tournament 68 00:03:08,907 --> 00:03:12,267 Speaker 4: and you know, sort of working towards it by bit. 69 00:03:12,387 --> 00:03:16,587 Speaker 4: I think ultimately foundationally you know, the blocks in place 70 00:03:16,627 --> 00:03:21,507 Speaker 4: and just sort of fine tuning and evolving certain small 71 00:03:21,547 --> 00:03:24,747 Speaker 4: elements in our game for that for that competition, and 72 00:03:25,427 --> 00:03:27,627 Speaker 4: fortunately there's you know, there's a fair bit of competition 73 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:31,027 Speaker 4: for places out there, so you know these games are 74 00:03:31,067 --> 00:03:34,627 Speaker 4: important one for that, but also for for a unit 75 00:03:34,747 --> 00:03:37,307 Speaker 4: just to get closer and closer to understanding around how 76 00:03:37,347 --> 00:03:38,067 Speaker 4: we want to play. 77 00:03:38,267 --> 00:03:41,067 Speaker 2: It does feel like we're building some significant white ball death. 78 00:03:41,147 --> 00:03:44,467 Speaker 2: Even with a number of players unavailable for this current series, 79 00:03:44,507 --> 00:03:46,427 Speaker 2: there's still a very strong side you can put out. 80 00:03:46,667 --> 00:03:49,867 Speaker 2: How do you evaluate the player poll for in particular 81 00:03:49,907 --> 00:03:51,427 Speaker 2: T twenty and fifty over cricket. 82 00:03:53,347 --> 00:03:56,347 Speaker 4: I think you know, by nature of the way cricket 83 00:03:56,347 --> 00:03:59,027 Speaker 4: operates at the moment is you know, franchise leagues pulling 84 00:03:59,067 --> 00:04:01,827 Speaker 4: players sort of out of international duty now and then 85 00:04:03,547 --> 00:04:06,827 Speaker 4: you by default build a bigger puoll. But it's nart 86 00:04:06,907 --> 00:04:09,467 Speaker 4: to have seen how you know that pool has delivered 87 00:04:09,467 --> 00:04:11,747 Speaker 4: good results of I think back to the Pakistan series 88 00:04:11,787 --> 00:04:14,307 Speaker 4: at the end of the last summer. You know, I 89 00:04:14,307 --> 00:04:16,107 Speaker 4: think Garry and the team that are out of a 90 00:04:16,187 --> 00:04:20,867 Speaker 4: job in terms of building that that depth, and we're 91 00:04:20,867 --> 00:04:23,427 Speaker 4: seeing guys getting opportunities to play and really stepping up 92 00:04:23,467 --> 00:04:25,547 Speaker 4: when they get those chips. So it's always a good sign. 93 00:04:25,627 --> 00:04:28,627 Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, you're always better. 94 00:04:28,747 --> 00:04:32,467 Speaker 4: There's more guys competing for a spot, and it makes 95 00:04:32,547 --> 00:04:34,947 Speaker 4: it sort of drives performance without having to do too much. 96 00:04:34,987 --> 00:04:37,147 Speaker 5: So, you know, we want as many. 97 00:04:37,027 --> 00:04:39,387 Speaker 4: Quality players as we can possibly get because we know 98 00:04:39,467 --> 00:04:43,507 Speaker 4: that you know that the international cricket world is demanded 99 00:04:43,587 --> 00:04:44,467 Speaker 4: that really. 100 00:04:44,387 --> 00:04:47,427 Speaker 5: It's not possible to just lean on the resources of. 101 00:04:47,387 --> 00:04:49,467 Speaker 4: A couple of you know, like fifteen players and think 102 00:04:49,507 --> 00:04:51,587 Speaker 4: that that's going to be enough. So the stronger a 103 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:52,987 Speaker 4: pool can be, the bet will be for. 104 00:04:52,987 --> 00:04:56,907 Speaker 2: Us and cricket and cricket contracts an ever changing issue 105 00:04:56,907 --> 00:04:59,747 Speaker 2: in modern day cricket and ever changing landscape. How do 106 00:04:59,787 --> 00:05:01,747 Speaker 2: you best navigate the fact that some of your pliers 107 00:05:01,747 --> 00:05:04,187 Speaker 2: are seemed really contracted and some of them aren't. 108 00:05:05,387 --> 00:05:09,427 Speaker 4: Well, I think first foremostly especially for world events, essentially 109 00:05:09,467 --> 00:05:12,307 Speaker 4: the casual contracts kind of mirror the peak event that's 110 00:05:12,347 --> 00:05:14,867 Speaker 4: in front of us, and so hence the guys who 111 00:05:14,867 --> 00:05:18,187 Speaker 4: are contracted this time round was the teacher when you 112 00:05:18,187 --> 00:05:20,467 Speaker 4: World Cup next year, you just want to have your 113 00:05:20,507 --> 00:05:22,787 Speaker 4: best players available to play for your country, you know, 114 00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:25,267 Speaker 4: And that's kind of what we try and achieve. We 115 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:29,387 Speaker 4: understand the landscape is changing and it's and it changes quickly. 116 00:05:29,467 --> 00:05:31,067 Speaker 4: So we just want to be as flexible as we 117 00:05:31,107 --> 00:05:35,947 Speaker 4: possibly can within either realms of contracting ready, and it's 118 00:05:36,347 --> 00:05:38,427 Speaker 4: it's not something that you know, you can kind of 119 00:05:38,467 --> 00:05:40,267 Speaker 4: make for it to everyone. It's just have to do 120 00:05:40,307 --> 00:05:43,547 Speaker 4: the best that you possibly can for everyone that's involved 121 00:05:43,547 --> 00:05:46,147 Speaker 4: in the system. And so we certainly try to achieve that. 122 00:05:46,867 --> 00:05:49,507 Speaker 4: But you know, guys are still committed to playing for 123 00:05:49,507 --> 00:05:51,987 Speaker 4: for the black Caps and we see that when they 124 00:05:52,027 --> 00:05:54,787 Speaker 4: come back into the environment, and so you know, we've 125 00:05:54,787 --> 00:05:57,027 Speaker 4: got a group of players that are ready, hungry and 126 00:05:57,107 --> 00:05:57,787 Speaker 4: want to do well. 127 00:05:58,027 --> 00:06:00,307 Speaker 2: One of those on occasional playing agreement this season is 128 00:06:00,347 --> 00:06:04,547 Speaker 2: Kane Williamson. He opted out of this current series against Australia. 129 00:06:04,747 --> 00:06:06,507 Speaker 2: How often are we going to see Kane william Some 130 00:06:06,547 --> 00:06:08,587 Speaker 2: play for New Zealand over the next few months. 131 00:06:09,947 --> 00:06:13,227 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that McCain will be running out for 132 00:06:13,267 --> 00:06:15,987 Speaker 4: the black Caps. The sort of mechanisms of exactly what 133 00:06:16,067 --> 00:06:18,747 Speaker 4: that looks like, we're still you know, chatting about and 134 00:06:18,787 --> 00:06:22,107 Speaker 4: working out and obviously that you know, Kane's played and 135 00:06:22,147 --> 00:06:25,147 Speaker 4: represented the Black Ops for a very long time and 136 00:06:25,187 --> 00:06:28,347 Speaker 4: there's really an icon of the black Caps units. So 137 00:06:29,027 --> 00:06:32,867 Speaker 4: trying to ultimately manage his time and manage the program 138 00:06:33,187 --> 00:06:36,147 Speaker 4: running forward, and this also appreciating you know, the other 139 00:06:36,187 --> 00:06:38,147 Speaker 4: elements of his life that needs to take care of 140 00:06:38,307 --> 00:06:40,387 Speaker 4: is you know, this is what we're in conversation with. 141 00:06:40,587 --> 00:06:43,347 Speaker 4: But like all these guys, I keep saying, you know, 142 00:06:43,387 --> 00:06:45,827 Speaker 4: he's dedicated to just still playing for the black Caps 143 00:06:45,867 --> 00:06:46,907 Speaker 4: and that's exciting. 144 00:06:47,547 --> 00:06:50,427 Speaker 2: Just the three Test matches this home summer or before Christmas, 145 00:06:50,467 --> 00:06:53,907 Speaker 2: all against the West Indiast. I know, you know you 146 00:06:53,947 --> 00:06:55,627 Speaker 2: can't control this, rob but would you like to be 147 00:06:55,667 --> 00:06:58,507 Speaker 2: playing some red ball cricket at home in January and February? 148 00:07:00,187 --> 00:07:02,747 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously that is a peak time of 149 00:07:03,107 --> 00:07:07,187 Speaker 4: our summer and for the international schedule is what it 150 00:07:07,267 --> 00:07:10,427 Speaker 4: is really and the World Cup being in February is 151 00:07:11,147 --> 00:07:13,467 Speaker 4: you know, that's where it's been positioned and ultimately we have. 152 00:07:13,547 --> 00:07:14,147 Speaker 5: To prep for that. 153 00:07:14,507 --> 00:07:17,307 Speaker 4: So you know, if you look forward to the following year, 154 00:07:17,387 --> 00:07:19,547 Speaker 4: we've got ten Test matches in the almost so you 155 00:07:19,587 --> 00:07:21,347 Speaker 4: know that'll be a massive. 156 00:07:21,027 --> 00:07:22,307 Speaker 5: Test match season for us. 157 00:07:22,347 --> 00:07:25,347 Speaker 4: And you know, if you're a test Test match lover 158 00:07:25,427 --> 00:07:27,747 Speaker 4: and the love of the suppirest format of the game, 159 00:07:27,827 --> 00:07:29,547 Speaker 4: that's going to be the time. You're going to be 160 00:07:29,707 --> 00:07:32,547 Speaker 4: very interested with tourist England and Australia and India and 161 00:07:32,747 --> 00:07:34,907 Speaker 4: in New Zealand, so it will be awesome. 162 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:38,787 Speaker 2: Rightch and Ravendra is he okay after his collision with 163 00:07:38,947 --> 00:07:40,467 Speaker 2: the advertising harning the other day? 164 00:07:41,627 --> 00:07:43,147 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's he's okay. 165 00:07:43,427 --> 00:07:45,707 Speaker 4: I mean I think ultimately, you know, he's a bit 166 00:07:45,747 --> 00:07:48,867 Speaker 4: bashed up and there's a you know, a wound that 167 00:07:48,987 --> 00:07:50,747 Speaker 4: needs healing on his face and we didn't want to 168 00:07:50,747 --> 00:07:54,507 Speaker 4: take any chances with that. But hopefully, you know, the 169 00:07:54,547 --> 00:07:57,067 Speaker 4: healing takes place in the time frames that it shouldn't 170 00:07:57,107 --> 00:07:58,347 Speaker 4: be see him back fairly soon. 171 00:07:58,947 --> 00:08:00,947 Speaker 3: But it could have been a lot worse. 172 00:08:00,947 --> 00:08:02,667 Speaker 5: But we're still feeling for him and how. 173 00:08:02,587 --> 00:08:05,987 Speaker 4: Desperty was to play this series, so he was highly 174 00:08:06,027 --> 00:08:08,227 Speaker 4: highly disappointed when he wasn't able to. 175 00:08:08,547 --> 00:08:10,987 Speaker 2: And your White Paul captain Mitchell Santner recovering from a 176 00:08:11,187 --> 00:08:14,067 Speaker 2: sports hern here he suffered playing in the one hundred 177 00:08:14,387 --> 00:08:16,747 Speaker 2: in England. Has he been in and around this team, 178 00:08:16,987 --> 00:08:17,827 Speaker 2: the team this week. 179 00:08:18,467 --> 00:08:19,227 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been. 180 00:08:19,107 --> 00:08:22,347 Speaker 4: Here for essentially you know, the time as we've been 181 00:08:22,347 --> 00:08:24,787 Speaker 4: in the mount, you've been with us. It's obviously important 182 00:08:25,307 --> 00:08:27,867 Speaker 4: for me having him around as a White Bull captain 183 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:31,427 Speaker 4: sometimes it's quite handy having him in the box with 184 00:08:31,507 --> 00:08:33,387 Speaker 4: me a while the game's going on, so we can talk 185 00:08:33,507 --> 00:08:35,867 Speaker 4: in a strategy and I can understand what he sees 186 00:08:35,987 --> 00:08:37,387 Speaker 4: from a captain'sy point of view. 187 00:08:37,947 --> 00:08:39,867 Speaker 5: So and then also just just. 188 00:08:40,067 --> 00:08:42,947 Speaker 4: Chipping away at his rehab and a little bit of 189 00:08:42,987 --> 00:08:46,227 Speaker 4: cricker that he's able to do. So it's been it's 190 00:08:46,227 --> 00:08:47,467 Speaker 4: been really good having him run. 191 00:08:47,467 --> 00:08:47,707 Speaker 5: All right. 192 00:08:47,747 --> 00:08:49,707 Speaker 2: And I think I heard Lackie Ferguson was down for 193 00:08:49,707 --> 00:08:53,107 Speaker 2: a bowl yesterday. He's got a hamstring strain he's recovering from. 194 00:08:53,147 --> 00:08:55,787 Speaker 2: So is he somewhere close to a return? 195 00:08:55,787 --> 00:09:00,307 Speaker 4: All going, Well, yeah, we're not quite sure exactly when 196 00:09:00,307 --> 00:09:02,987 Speaker 4: that will be because obviously it's an injury that you 197 00:09:03,067 --> 00:09:05,507 Speaker 4: need to manage properly, and we want to get the 198 00:09:05,507 --> 00:09:08,787 Speaker 4: management of it. But again, you know, you know, the 199 00:09:08,907 --> 00:09:11,627 Speaker 4: Key and Markey event is next year in February, so 200 00:09:11,667 --> 00:09:14,067 Speaker 4: it's really about making sure that you've given the best 201 00:09:14,147 --> 00:09:18,027 Speaker 4: chance of putting his name forward for that competition. So 202 00:09:18,067 --> 00:09:19,907 Speaker 4: we'll just take the time that we need to to 203 00:09:19,947 --> 00:09:22,267 Speaker 4: make sure, you know, everything gets done properly. 204 00:09:22,147 --> 00:09:23,867 Speaker 2: All right, And crucially, how are we looking for a 205 00:09:23,867 --> 00:09:24,707 Speaker 2: bit of cricket tonight. 206 00:09:25,947 --> 00:09:28,627 Speaker 5: Well, at the moment, the suns out, you'll be happy. 207 00:09:28,347 --> 00:09:31,627 Speaker 4: To know so right, there's a lot of cloud around, 208 00:09:31,667 --> 00:09:36,107 Speaker 4: but the weather forecast, although will be them I'm not 209 00:09:36,467 --> 00:09:38,667 Speaker 4: reliable at the best of times, says that it's going 210 00:09:38,707 --> 00:09:40,427 Speaker 4: to be clear by this evening. So we don't think 211 00:09:40,467 --> 00:09:41,307 Speaker 4: that's so sure. 212 00:09:41,547 --> 00:09:43,627 Speaker 2: We'll keep our fingers crossed. Rob, all the best for 213 00:09:43,707 --> 00:09:45,787 Speaker 2: tonight and on through the summer. Look forward to catching 214 00:09:45,867 --> 00:09:47,747 Speaker 2: up again. But thanks for taking the time this afternoon. 215 00:09:48,107 --> 00:09:51,307 Speaker 2: No thank you, No there you take care to thanks indeed, 216 00:09:51,387 --> 00:09:53,867 Speaker 2: Robalt to black Caps coach seven to three. News Talks ITB. 217 00:09:54,347 --> 00:09:57,507 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live 218 00:09:57,627 --> 00:10:00,947 Speaker 1: to News Talks it B weekends from midday, or follow 219 00:10:00,947 --> 00:10:02,587 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio