1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Kyota. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. The illegal 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: tobacco trade has become a very lucrative business worldwide. In Australia, 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: for example, illegal excise evading cigarettes now comprise half of 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: the products sold to the country's two point seven million smokers. 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: According to the ABC, it's thought that ten billion dollars 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: a year in revenue there is going straight into. 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: The pockets of organized crime. 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: But has this trend made it to New Zealand shores 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: and how much of a headache is it causing those 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: protecting our borders. Today on the Front Page, Head of 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: Fraud and Prohibition Chief Customs Officer Nigel Barnes is with 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: us to discuss how they're cracking down on a legal tobacco. 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: First off, Nigel, what are some key trends you've seen 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: in illegal tobacco smuggling over the years. 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: Well over recent years, the efforts to smuggle will listed 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: tobacco have become more sophisticated and been of larger quantities. 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: In particular, we're seeing that tobacco smugglers will mirror what 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: we see drug smugglers do so they'll use similar consentent 21 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: methods and similar tradecraft such as using shelf companies. 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Have you seen an increase recently. 23 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: Yes, it's trended up with over the last few years. 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: It does, I guess fluctuate a little bit depending on 25 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: the type of illicit tobacco and the group's involved. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: But in the main it's traveling upwards. 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: How much you've seeing the border. 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: Well, an example is last October, following a referral from 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: the Overseas Customs Administration, we see over two million cigarettes 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: and a container from Southeast Asia and that represents roughly 31 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: three million dollars worth of revenue of asion. 32 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,559 Speaker 1: Wow, and that's just some of the kind of volumes. 33 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: Hey, what types of illegal tobacco products are most commonly 34 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: intercepted and has that changed? 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: Most commonly it'll be cigarettes, but we do have a 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: market for chewing tobacco and also susha tobacco as well 37 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: as loose tobacco. 38 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: How does customs handle these seized illegal tobacco products? Like, 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: what happens when you're court importing and then you've got 40 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: what was it two million cigarettes to dispose of? 41 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: What do you do with them? 42 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: Well, they get disposed of safely, but basically they're dolling 43 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: up at land, all right. 44 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: And what happens to those court importing or a distributing 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: it say. 46 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: So, we prosecute to the full extent of the law 47 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: that we can, and we don't exclusively charge for customer 48 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: offenses as well. So an example of that is last 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: year where a individual in christ Church broke into a 50 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: warehouse and stole a large amount of tobacco from that 51 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: warehouse that then led to a burglary investigation. The polices 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: led that part of it, and then once it was 53 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: established that this was actually a illicit tobacco manufacturing effort, 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: Customs then charged him with the illegal manufactured, the unlawful 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: import of the tobacco as well as the burglary. He 56 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: was sentenced earlier this year two years and eight months 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: in prison. 58 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: What's the maximum penalty if I was to say, try 59 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: and smuggle in. 60 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: A two million cigarettes from Southeast Asia? 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: I say so, the maximum penalty is five years imprisonment 62 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: under the Customs and ext ISAAC offenses. However, you what 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: we find is that people rarely stick to this one 64 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: type of offending, so it's quite common for us to 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: see crossover with drug offending as well as money laundering, 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: where we identify those offenses, we charge for those. 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: Well, what is the alternative. 68 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 5: Do you then drop legal cigarettes back to twenty dollars 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 5: in order to compete twenty dollars a pack they're currently 70 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 5: about sixty bucks a pack to compete with the illegal tobacco. 71 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: You can't. 72 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 5: You absolutely can't not, because you can't. The smoking rates 73 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 5: would first of all go through the roof, because if 74 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 5: you actually look at the statistics, they've halved since the 75 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 5: excise was first introduced. So it actually is working to 76 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 5: do what its main purpose is, which is to cut 77 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 5: smoking rates and therefore help the public health system obviously 78 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 5: look after the well being of the country. But on 79 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 5: top of that, it's second purpose is obviously to raise 80 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 5: tax as well. 81 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: Do you think that it's seen as more low risk 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: than trying to smuggle say Class A drugs because you've 83 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 2: got a maximum penalty of a five years imprisonment versus 84 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: life imprisonment. 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: Well, what I think motivates these criminals is actually the money. 86 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, there is a difference in the maximum penalty 87 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: maximum tem of prisonment, But what really hurts these guys 88 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: is when you take their money and take their assets. 89 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: So where were possible we make referrals. We work quite 90 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 3: closely with the police Asset Recovery Unit because what really 91 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: hurts them is taking away there all gotten gains. 92 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: Why do you think organized crime groups are becoming increasingly 93 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: involved in tobacco smuggling. 94 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: Well, there is a lot of money in it, there's 95 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: no doubt about it. In twenty eighteen, which is a 96 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 3: wee while ago now, we found four million dollars in 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: cash in a storage unit and that was the proceeds 98 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: of ilicit tobacco. 99 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: Where are these products ending up? 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: Well, a lot of them are retailed throughout the country. 101 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: There are various ways that various outlets. I'm not just 102 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: talking about dairies. It could be restaurants as well, online 103 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: as well, in chat groups as well as through community organizations. 104 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: It's some of the figures here. 105 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: It looks like the revenue from the tobacco excise tax 106 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: peaked in twenty twenty, then it's been dropping since. Does 107 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: that make you believe that more smokers are in fact 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: turning to the black market. 109 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 3: I think it's probably fair to say that the illicit 110 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: market is increasing and the smoking rate is dropping. So 111 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: as the overall consumption goes down, the size of the 112 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 3: illicit market relative to the legal market increases. 113 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: How do you work with overseas agencies? 114 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: Because I know that Australia's got a huge illicit tobacco problem, 115 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: and as we know what happens in Ossie soon comes 116 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: over the Tasman to our shores, something like I think 117 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: nearly half of Australia's two points something million smokers are 118 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: now smoking illegal tobacco or tobacco that hasn't been through 119 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: the excise tax process. 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: Is that alarming to you. 121 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: Well, we definitely don't want to end up with a 122 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 3: problem the scale that Australia has. There are, in fact, 123 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: even more concerningly homicides and arsons attributed to the illicit 124 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: tobacco problem in Australia, and we definitely don't want to 125 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: see that here. We work quite closely with our partners overseas, 126 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: not just the Australian Border Force, but also his Mentesces 127 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: Revenue and customs in the UK well as other jurisdictions 128 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: in Southeast Asia. 129 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: Is Southeast Asia where we're getting most of it from. 130 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: Well, the international supply chain for USIT tobacco is actually 131 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: quite complex, and there's factories not just in Southeast Asia 132 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: but also in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe 133 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: that manufacture huge amounts of cigarettes which are destined for 134 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: the illicit market, and they don't make their way directly 135 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: to New Zealand or ways. They'll go through other countries 136 00:07:53,840 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: and intermediary countries where their origin is concealed, and then 137 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: they might go into a concealment such as construction materials 138 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: and things like that. So it's not really straightforward just 139 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: to say it's all coming from one part of the world, 140 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: but certainly our siegere statistics would suggest that it's mostly 141 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: coming from Southeast Asia. 142 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: If you were to put a percentage on it, how 143 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: much do you reckon customs is seized at the border 144 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: and how much has slipped through the cracks? 145 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: Perhaps, Well, that's a great question and I wish I 146 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: had a really a really precise answer to it. It's 147 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: really hard to estimate. There have been various attempts to 148 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: estimate the size of the I listed market in New 149 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: Zealand and the University of Auckland and University of Otago 150 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: both completed studies in recent years on it, and also 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: the tobacco industry complete studies on it as well, which 152 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: they publish. The range in the size of the listed 153 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: market is in these estimates is huge. The lowest one 154 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 3: is around about six point eight percent and the highest 155 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: one is around about twenty four percent. 156 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 4: Is it somewhere in between? Probably? 157 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: So I can't really I wouldn't really want to take 158 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: a stab. 159 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 6: The criminals will lose revenue, and we'd like to think 160 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 6: that your average Australian is a law abiding citizen, and 161 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 6: generally they were up until a few years ago, until 162 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 6: the attacks became so extreme combined with the cost of 163 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 6: living crisis, they just decided that enough was enough and 164 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 6: they weren't going to pay those excessive prices. So there 165 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 6: is a balance, There is a level where people will 166 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 6: hopefully return to the legal product. 167 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: Do you think there's a point where we can't increase 168 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: the excise tax by anymore? Like looking at some figures here, 169 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: the excise tax increased to one eight hundred and twelve 170 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: dollars and sixty one cents per kilo, and compare that 171 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: to three hundred and ninety three dollars and three cents 172 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine. Now, granted the smoking rate 173 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: has decreased since two thousand and nine. Don't get me wrong, 174 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: but depending on the brand, that tax today may up 175 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: around eighty percent of the cost of a pack of smokes. 176 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: Do you reckon we've gone too far? 177 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not really an expert in the economy of it. 178 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: There is no doubt though, that the amount of exercise 179 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: is what drives the drives the profitability of the market, 180 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: So it's definitely a factor. But there's much more to 181 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: it than just the excise. There are elicit tobacco markets 182 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 3: in countries with much lower excise rates than New Zealand 183 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 3: as well. 184 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: What new technologies or intelligence capabilities are customs using to 185 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: tackle this? Obviously you've got at the border as well, 186 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: but have you. 187 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. 188 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: I'm just assuming a whole group of you guys in 189 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: a room just on Facebook, marketplace searching for listings or something. 190 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: Well, we take a bank for back approach to our investigations. 191 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: So what we do is, rather than trying to simply 192 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: suppress every instance of elicit tobacco being sold in the community, 193 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: we look to target the source of it and take 194 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: out the people who are profiting from the import and 195 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: then the distribution of these cigarettes on a large scale. 196 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: We get a lot of benefit from community reporting, so 197 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: crime Stoppers and also our own Border Protect hotline. But 198 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: more importantly, we have a very good relationship with industry 199 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: and we encourage our industry partners as well, such stratefwards 200 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 3: and Customs brokers to let us know when something doesn't 201 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: appear right. 202 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 2: Has the team tackling this at the border grown along 203 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: with the rate of illicit tobacco so to speak, like, 204 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: do you have as many boots on the ground to 205 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: say to tackle this problem. 206 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 207 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, Customs received ten point four million 208 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: dollars in funding over four years, which we think we've 209 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: delivered a really good return on investment with our seizure 210 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: stats and our prosecutions as well as our set restraints 211 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: in that short time. But what's really important, I think 212 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: is that you don't outgrow a organized crime problem you 213 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: think it. So our strategy is basically to make life 214 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: as hard as possible for these criminals and in particular 215 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: just make it not profitable for them to. 216 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: Operate here And looking forward, Nigel, what further changes, whether 217 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: it be legislative, operational, or technological, could improve new Zealand's 218 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: ability to curb illegal tobacco. 219 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 3: Really it comes down to I think good old fashioned 220 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: investigating and also community buy in. There might be a 221 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: sentiment out in the community that elicit tobacco is not 222 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 3: actually a serious problem, and that it's great that people 223 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 3: can get cheaper cigarettes, But what those people are playing 224 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 3: to realize is that they themselves are actually being exploited 225 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: by organized crime and there are people driving around in 226 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: very flash cars that those guys. 227 00:12:59,320 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 4: Have paid for. 228 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Nigel. 229 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 4: Thanks Chelsea, much appreciate it. 230 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 231 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 232 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: at enzidherld dot. 233 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: Co dot nz. 234 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: The Front Page is produced by Jane Ye and Richard. 235 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: Martin, who is also our editor. I'm Chelsea Daniels. 236 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: Subscribe to The Front Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you 237 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: get your podcasts, and tune in tomorrow for another look 238 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: behind the headlines.