1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:18,293 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:19,773 --> 00:00:24,773 Speaker 2: Take another Patrick, It is out, The Test is over, 5 00:00:27,413 --> 00:00:31,373 Speaker 2: smokes a Beauty, It is out and here he goes. 6 00:00:31,453 --> 00:00:33,373 Speaker 2: This delivery has a new music to. 7 00:00:33,453 --> 00:00:39,533 Speaker 1: Goold on the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 8 00:00:39,853 --> 00:00:46,413 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 9 00:00:47,293 --> 00:00:51,373 Speaker 2: Hello, We're back on the Front Foot with Rasine Color Shops, 10 00:00:51,413 --> 00:00:56,213 Speaker 2: your color and decorating experts. Well, another interesting week. The 11 00:00:56,213 --> 00:00:58,813 Speaker 2: West Didies have taken the final day on us to 12 00:00:58,973 --> 00:01:01,773 Speaker 2: tie out the first Test. What lessons should the Black 13 00:01:01,773 --> 00:01:05,093 Speaker 2: Apps take from the result? England have been humiliated by 14 00:01:05,213 --> 00:01:08,533 Speaker 2: Australia in the Ashes series and they're in danger of 15 00:01:08,573 --> 00:01:14,133 Speaker 2: suffering psychological damage. Well perhaps it maywell have occurred already. 16 00:01:14,573 --> 00:01:18,413 Speaker 2: And in this dissension at board table, where's the leadership 17 00:01:18,453 --> 00:01:21,493 Speaker 2: from New Zealand cricket? Interesting start to come up in 18 00:01:21,533 --> 00:01:24,613 Speaker 2: this edition of On the Front Foot And joining as 19 00:01:24,693 --> 00:01:28,613 Speaker 2: usual this edition of On the Front Foot Jeremy Coney, 20 00:01:28,813 --> 00:01:32,373 Speaker 2: who's just resting up ready for the next the Test 21 00:01:32,413 --> 00:01:35,173 Speaker 2: match at the base of Reserve, taking in a few 22 00:01:35,533 --> 00:01:38,853 Speaker 2: deep breaths. Should the Black Caps have won that Test? 23 00:01:38,933 --> 00:01:39,213 Speaker 3: Jerry? 24 00:01:39,253 --> 00:01:40,013 Speaker 2: What custom? 25 00:01:40,453 --> 00:01:40,933 Speaker 4: I was? 26 00:01:42,053 --> 00:01:42,373 Speaker 5: Well? 27 00:01:42,453 --> 00:01:46,533 Speaker 6: I guess they certainly had enough runs in the bank, 28 00:01:46,573 --> 00:01:50,053 Speaker 6: didn't they in the end. So it had to be 29 00:01:51,053 --> 00:01:54,493 Speaker 6: issues of not having perhaps the whole of the bowling 30 00:01:54,533 --> 00:01:59,613 Speaker 6: attack that put a high workload on you know, Duffy 31 00:01:59,653 --> 00:02:03,813 Speaker 6: in particular and folks, and we had to bowl on 32 00:02:03,893 --> 00:02:08,333 Speaker 6: the flattest pitch or time of the pitch as well, 33 00:02:08,453 --> 00:02:11,933 Speaker 6: so it wasn't doing quite so much. And then we're 34 00:02:11,973 --> 00:02:17,173 Speaker 6: still having problems I think with catching. Five catches went 35 00:02:17,213 --> 00:02:22,613 Speaker 6: down in that Test match. They missed a very comfortable runout. 36 00:02:24,373 --> 00:02:25,013 Speaker 7: And then of. 37 00:02:24,933 --> 00:02:28,173 Speaker 8: Course a series of poor reviews very early on with 38 00:02:28,253 --> 00:02:33,173 Speaker 8: the last new ball that they had, and they need 39 00:02:33,173 --> 00:02:38,253 Speaker 8: to I think work out precisely who does what and 40 00:02:38,413 --> 00:02:41,293 Speaker 8: add it to their So if you're on square, for example, 41 00:02:41,653 --> 00:02:45,253 Speaker 8: your job is to look at height and how big was. 42 00:02:45,213 --> 00:02:48,613 Speaker 6: The stride and those kinds of things. Who looks at 43 00:02:48,653 --> 00:02:53,013 Speaker 6: line and if you're on your last review, you've obviously 44 00:02:53,053 --> 00:02:57,213 Speaker 6: got to be very careful and be very clear about 45 00:02:57,293 --> 00:03:00,733 Speaker 6: that's a very good chance because you're really saying to 46 00:03:00,773 --> 00:03:02,373 Speaker 6: the we don't believe you, we reckon. 47 00:03:02,373 --> 00:03:06,773 Speaker 7: You've made a mistake and so you've got to be 48 00:03:06,933 --> 00:03:08,893 Speaker 7: sure of things. As happened. 49 00:03:09,213 --> 00:03:11,653 Speaker 6: The Umps did make a couple of mistakes at the end, 50 00:03:11,933 --> 00:03:14,573 Speaker 6: but they had burned all their reviews, so while they'll 51 00:03:14,573 --> 00:03:18,333 Speaker 6: be angry with the umpire at the same time, sorry. 52 00:03:18,253 --> 00:03:20,933 Speaker 7: You you used your reviews up too early. 53 00:03:22,333 --> 00:03:22,533 Speaker 3: Yeap. 54 00:03:22,733 --> 00:03:25,333 Speaker 2: That certainly became a problem towards the end when they 55 00:03:26,013 --> 00:03:28,013 Speaker 2: had a chance to win the game, but they were 56 00:03:28,013 --> 00:03:32,213 Speaker 2: fighting against Greeves and also Keymr h who came up 57 00:03:32,253 --> 00:03:35,053 Speaker 2: Trump's and did a wonderful job with the bat to 58 00:03:35,093 --> 00:03:39,813 Speaker 2: support Greeves. I just wonder about our depth though, Jerry. 59 00:03:39,933 --> 00:03:43,253 Speaker 2: You know we lose Matt Henry Nathan Smith well sadly. 60 00:03:43,413 --> 00:03:45,293 Speaker 2: I think his career is going to be blighted by 61 00:03:45,333 --> 00:03:48,373 Speaker 2: injury to some extent. But you know, the depth and 62 00:03:48,893 --> 00:03:52,893 Speaker 2: the ability to put a fresh bowling lineup on the 63 00:03:52,893 --> 00:03:56,173 Speaker 2: park on the final day was taken away. I mean, 64 00:03:56,173 --> 00:03:59,693 Speaker 2: you've got to give credit to Duffy and to folks. 65 00:03:59,733 --> 00:04:03,733 Speaker 2: Theated an outstanding job braceball as well. But our depth 66 00:04:03,853 --> 00:04:05,173 Speaker 2: was certainly tested, wasn't it. 67 00:04:05,973 --> 00:04:08,693 Speaker 6: Oh yes, Well to take out your key man here, Henry, 68 00:04:10,213 --> 00:04:13,253 Speaker 6: and I'm assuming he won't be available for Wellington either. 69 00:04:13,333 --> 00:04:16,733 Speaker 7: So and to lose Blundle will Blundle. 70 00:04:17,093 --> 00:04:19,893 Speaker 6: You know, I guess there're a question some people will say, 71 00:04:21,093 --> 00:04:24,813 Speaker 6: are the warm up's good enough? Some people might say 72 00:04:25,133 --> 00:04:28,533 Speaker 6: we've come from a white ball from October leading to 73 00:04:28,613 --> 00:04:32,493 Speaker 6: this match. Should some of our bowlers and our batsmen 74 00:04:32,853 --> 00:04:36,373 Speaker 6: have got and played a few Plunket Shield matches prior 75 00:04:36,413 --> 00:04:40,213 Speaker 6: to this well blundele had, you know, I guess that one. 76 00:04:40,293 --> 00:04:43,133 Speaker 6: That hamstring injury is just a bit of bad luck 77 00:04:43,613 --> 00:04:47,373 Speaker 6: involved in that. Smith I don't think he had played 78 00:04:47,373 --> 00:04:52,133 Speaker 6: for Wellington, Nathan Smith, and I don't know whether Henry 79 00:04:52,173 --> 00:04:55,653 Speaker 6: had played much either, but he's generally a pretty fit 80 00:04:55,733 --> 00:04:58,813 Speaker 6: sort of fella. So Wilds I don't know, and I 81 00:04:58,853 --> 00:05:01,573 Speaker 6: don't know how because we've got so many people now 82 00:05:01,853 --> 00:05:06,013 Speaker 6: out with the bowling, and we're now going to be 83 00:05:06,133 --> 00:05:11,133 Speaker 6: definitely going back into first class to probably select the 84 00:05:11,293 --> 00:05:16,773 Speaker 6: fourth seema for the basin reserve. So I would imagine 85 00:05:16,813 --> 00:05:22,653 Speaker 6: Tickner would would come into the team to go alongside 86 00:05:23,133 --> 00:05:27,693 Speaker 6: Folks and also Duffy, and then I don't know for 87 00:05:27,893 --> 00:05:29,093 Speaker 6: have they selected him yet? 88 00:05:29,093 --> 00:05:32,973 Speaker 2: Wadds No, they still were deciding. They brought Michael Ray 89 00:05:33,013 --> 00:05:35,373 Speaker 2: from Canterburyan and Christian Clark, who came in for the 90 00:05:35,413 --> 00:05:39,533 Speaker 2: Ode Eyes but didn't play from the Northern districts. And 91 00:05:39,573 --> 00:05:43,133 Speaker 2: they've both been part of the A setup, but currently 92 00:05:43,733 --> 00:05:51,493 Speaker 2: they are in the squad. They don't possess that genuine 93 00:05:51,533 --> 00:05:53,613 Speaker 2: all rounder. I mean Bracewell has to be that man, 94 00:05:53,693 --> 00:05:54,053 Speaker 2: doesn't he. 95 00:05:54,653 --> 00:05:56,533 Speaker 7: Well, he got forty odd, didn't he? 96 00:05:56,733 --> 00:06:00,573 Speaker 6: He fifty to forty seven and is down there started 97 00:06:00,613 --> 00:06:02,853 Speaker 6: to look a little bit better. I thought his bowling 98 00:06:03,013 --> 00:06:05,533 Speaker 6: was he dragged down quite a lot, but then at 99 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:08,613 Speaker 6: once he bowled fifty overs. Once he got into the fifties, 100 00:06:08,853 --> 00:06:12,933 Speaker 6: I thought he started to look much more likely. Had 101 00:06:12,933 --> 00:06:16,653 Speaker 6: a couple of catchers dropped and had two decisions go 102 00:06:16,733 --> 00:06:19,413 Speaker 6: against him and LBW and then the court behind. So 103 00:06:19,973 --> 00:06:25,213 Speaker 6: he did create enough chances and it might have got 104 00:06:25,253 --> 00:06:27,293 Speaker 6: his team over the line in the end. But he'll 105 00:06:27,333 --> 00:06:30,653 Speaker 6: be better for those fifty overs, I think most definitely. 106 00:06:30,853 --> 00:06:34,773 Speaker 2: And Jerry can welcome in a technical whiz who's joining 107 00:06:34,853 --> 00:06:39,373 Speaker 2: us again just a little bit late for this. Yeah, 108 00:06:39,413 --> 00:06:41,653 Speaker 2: he's back with us. He's having trouble with the internet. 109 00:06:42,493 --> 00:06:47,013 Speaker 6: Oh where has Moose been grazing the last a week 110 00:06:47,133 --> 00:06:47,333 Speaker 6: or so? 111 00:06:47,453 --> 00:06:49,133 Speaker 7: Are you still in paraparam Moose? 112 00:06:49,493 --> 00:06:51,893 Speaker 3: Oh? Look of coverts and territory. Jerry, I've been in 113 00:06:51,933 --> 00:06:55,693 Speaker 3: the Hawks, bao, oh, that have been in the sounds 114 00:06:55,733 --> 00:06:58,173 Speaker 3: and no, no, the moose has be spread himself far 115 00:06:58,253 --> 00:07:02,253 Speaker 3: and wide. Okay, yes, but I've kept abreast of things. 116 00:07:02,293 --> 00:07:04,413 Speaker 3: So Jerry and I and I just picked up on 117 00:07:04,453 --> 00:07:07,173 Speaker 3: your last point about braceful. He'll be the better for 118 00:07:07,213 --> 00:07:09,333 Speaker 3: fifty overs. I wonder when the last time he's even 119 00:07:09,373 --> 00:07:12,453 Speaker 3: bold twenty. 120 00:07:11,293 --> 00:07:15,453 Speaker 6: That's right, Yeah, that's five five twenty twenty matches. 121 00:07:19,293 --> 00:07:23,173 Speaker 2: What about other reflections most that you might have had. 122 00:07:23,333 --> 00:07:25,373 Speaker 2: I mean, we've been talking about the bowling line up 123 00:07:25,413 --> 00:07:30,093 Speaker 2: and the lack of depth available. I have one question 124 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:34,533 Speaker 2: that no one has bothered to pose to anybody. Ben 125 00:07:34,573 --> 00:07:39,453 Speaker 2: Sears is a contracted player coming back from injury and 126 00:07:39,493 --> 00:07:43,453 Speaker 2: he's playing club cricket in Melbourne. Now why is that 127 00:07:44,133 --> 00:07:44,813 Speaker 2: the Kings? 128 00:07:45,333 --> 00:07:48,373 Speaker 3: Well, I must admit I'm rather confused about that, Brian, 129 00:07:48,413 --> 00:07:53,773 Speaker 3: because if he was in a recovery mode and given 130 00:07:54,293 --> 00:07:59,773 Speaker 3: relatively duties, as it were, then I could sort of 131 00:07:59,853 --> 00:08:03,773 Speaker 3: understand it. Because district cricket in melbourne's very good and 132 00:08:03,813 --> 00:08:08,693 Speaker 3: he's playing for Melbourne UNI. It's good quality cricket. But 133 00:08:09,973 --> 00:08:12,573 Speaker 3: given the dearth of what we've currently got and the 134 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:17,173 Speaker 3: level of difficulties it is, it's a questionable thing that's said. 135 00:08:17,173 --> 00:08:19,933 Speaker 3: When he accepted that contract, none of this was an issue, 136 00:08:19,973 --> 00:08:20,253 Speaker 3: was it? 137 00:08:20,893 --> 00:08:24,613 Speaker 2: No? But I mean to my mind, whether it's an 138 00:08:24,653 --> 00:08:29,653 Speaker 2: injury situation or recovery or a preparation, wouldn't the guy 139 00:08:29,733 --> 00:08:32,733 Speaker 2: be better off doing something in New Zealand cricket, playing 140 00:08:32,733 --> 00:08:35,013 Speaker 2: against the New Zealand side, helping the development of New 141 00:08:35,093 --> 00:08:38,293 Speaker 2: Zealand players, rather than playing club cricket in Melbourne. Melbourne. 142 00:08:39,013 --> 00:08:42,693 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not biased because I've lived in Melbourne for many, 143 00:08:42,733 --> 00:08:45,093 Speaker 3: many years and some old friends of mine played for 144 00:08:45,093 --> 00:08:48,053 Speaker 3: Melbourne Union, at least of which James Sutherland, the current 145 00:08:48,133 --> 00:08:53,013 Speaker 3: CEO of Australian Golf and so on, but and father 146 00:08:53,133 --> 00:08:56,493 Speaker 3: of two of the finest cricketers in Australia up as well. 147 00:08:56,693 --> 00:09:01,333 Speaker 3: But I agree with you, Brian, I'm puzzled. But surely 148 00:09:01,413 --> 00:09:04,053 Speaker 3: he could break that contract no issue and with whistlerm 149 00:09:04,373 --> 00:09:07,893 Speaker 3: and have them bowling over here if he's capable an 150 00:09:07,893 --> 00:09:10,653 Speaker 3: if he can bowl twenty twenty five overs in a day, 151 00:09:11,013 --> 00:09:11,933 Speaker 3: that's a question mate. 152 00:09:12,413 --> 00:09:16,533 Speaker 2: Yeah. Injury issues, of course, have also prevented the likes 153 00:09:16,533 --> 00:09:20,133 Speaker 2: of Fisher o'roalk along with Seas. But Kyle Jamison has 154 00:09:20,173 --> 00:09:22,853 Speaker 2: had a bit of cricket and he's playing first class cricket. 155 00:09:23,173 --> 00:09:26,413 Speaker 2: Have they not got confidence that he is back in 156 00:09:26,493 --> 00:09:27,053 Speaker 2: the fold? 157 00:09:27,213 --> 00:09:27,493 Speaker 3: Jerry? 158 00:09:27,493 --> 00:09:33,133 Speaker 2: Do you think he's probably still, you know, an injury risk. 159 00:09:33,693 --> 00:09:36,773 Speaker 6: I think they'll be pretty cautious with him, Bryand and 160 00:09:36,853 --> 00:09:39,453 Speaker 6: I don't I don't blame them in a way. I 161 00:09:39,533 --> 00:09:43,373 Speaker 6: know this situation exacerbates and makes it look a bit 162 00:09:43,413 --> 00:09:47,013 Speaker 6: worse because he is playing for Canterbury and he did 163 00:09:47,013 --> 00:09:51,173 Speaker 6: bowl about fourteen or fifteen over something like that. But 164 00:09:51,333 --> 00:09:54,733 Speaker 6: I think they've got to They can't afford to put 165 00:09:54,773 --> 00:09:58,533 Speaker 6: all the work into him and then just to have 166 00:09:58,693 --> 00:10:03,453 Speaker 6: him go down again. At Test level, it is slightly 167 00:10:03,493 --> 00:10:06,853 Speaker 6: it's a step up. Guys are straining just a little 168 00:10:06,893 --> 00:10:10,613 Speaker 6: bit more to get extra bounce and extra pace, and 169 00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:13,773 Speaker 6: so I think I think I'd be cautious with him, 170 00:10:13,813 --> 00:10:16,693 Speaker 6: and I'd be cautious to the same extent with O'Rourke. 171 00:10:17,213 --> 00:10:21,693 Speaker 6: Those are two key players, both big fellas. Both pace. 172 00:10:22,373 --> 00:10:26,653 Speaker 6: One gives us bounce, one gives us swing. So I 173 00:10:26,693 --> 00:10:28,653 Speaker 6: think we've got to we've got to do a little 174 00:10:28,653 --> 00:10:31,893 Speaker 6: bit of nurturing. I know it's irritating, but at the 175 00:10:31,933 --> 00:10:34,573 Speaker 6: same time we want those guys ready for the big 176 00:10:34,613 --> 00:10:36,733 Speaker 6: matches when they come around. 177 00:10:37,573 --> 00:10:39,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the most important man I guess that they 178 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:42,213 Speaker 2: want to make sure as fit is Darryl Mitchell. I 179 00:10:42,253 --> 00:10:46,333 Speaker 2: haven't heard yet whether he's fully fit, but he's certainly 180 00:10:46,333 --> 00:10:49,933 Speaker 2: going to be needed just to strengthen that top order. 181 00:10:50,013 --> 00:10:52,533 Speaker 2: Poor old will Young just can't buy a run at 182 00:10:52,573 --> 00:10:58,253 Speaker 2: the moment, Kenny, and they need some experience and solidity 183 00:10:58,253 --> 00:10:59,013 Speaker 2: in that top order. 184 00:10:59,013 --> 00:11:02,173 Speaker 3: Most I could couldn't agree more. I mean, he seemed 185 00:11:02,173 --> 00:11:04,453 Speaker 3: to spend a lot of time on the park fielding 186 00:11:06,733 --> 00:11:09,213 Speaker 3: or wide slip, so he should be pretty close. And 187 00:11:09,253 --> 00:11:11,533 Speaker 3: I would have thought he's I would have thought he's 188 00:11:11,573 --> 00:11:14,413 Speaker 3: playing come Wednesday at the base. 189 00:11:14,493 --> 00:11:15,653 Speaker 5: And just a. 190 00:11:15,653 --> 00:11:18,693 Speaker 3: Question about Nathan Smith, who I really want to see succeed, 191 00:11:18,733 --> 00:11:23,733 Speaker 3: but Craiki being being pretty injury plan. I don't know 192 00:11:23,773 --> 00:11:25,693 Speaker 3: about you, Jerry, but you know both of us were 193 00:11:25,733 --> 00:11:29,333 Speaker 3: really ripped people like Nathan Smith, and you know we 194 00:11:29,373 --> 00:11:32,213 Speaker 3: always suffered from that a little bit, didn't we, Jerry, No. 195 00:11:31,893 --> 00:11:32,213 Speaker 9: We did. 196 00:11:33,373 --> 00:11:33,813 Speaker 7: We did. 197 00:11:34,333 --> 00:11:39,733 Speaker 6: Yeah, that extra half lap we put in it really 198 00:11:39,893 --> 00:11:43,733 Speaker 6: was quite tough, especially with the wind behind you. So 199 00:11:44,573 --> 00:11:48,293 Speaker 6: look I'm not convinced, as I said to you guys 200 00:11:48,373 --> 00:11:52,133 Speaker 6: last week, not totally convinced about Nathan with the ball. 201 00:11:52,973 --> 00:11:56,053 Speaker 6: I mean, i'd like him to do well too, because 202 00:11:56,093 --> 00:12:00,133 Speaker 6: I think he adds something with the bat and the fielding, 203 00:12:00,773 --> 00:12:04,453 Speaker 6: and our fielding isn't it still hasn't corrected. We're still 204 00:12:04,533 --> 00:12:09,333 Speaker 6: dropping catchers. You should never be surprised Test cricket by 205 00:12:09,333 --> 00:12:12,693 Speaker 6: a catch ever, because you've seen it come to you 206 00:12:13,693 --> 00:12:17,173 Speaker 6: twenty five times before, one to your right, one up high, 207 00:12:17,333 --> 00:12:20,653 Speaker 6: one down load in your mind, and so it shouldn't 208 00:12:20,733 --> 00:12:24,933 Speaker 6: surprise you. And we are being surprised. We don't even 209 00:12:25,053 --> 00:12:27,773 Speaker 6: know that there's a fielder when you're at mid off. 210 00:12:27,813 --> 00:12:30,973 Speaker 6: There's a fielder at mid on. We don't know that 211 00:12:31,133 --> 00:12:33,413 Speaker 6: yet because because there's no calling, and so we had 212 00:12:33,413 --> 00:12:38,013 Speaker 6: a collision. It's really kind of almost one a cricket 213 00:12:38,053 --> 00:12:41,893 Speaker 6: stuff that and we've got to do better than that. 214 00:12:41,533 --> 00:12:44,053 Speaker 6: That could have been very I mean it was costly. 215 00:12:45,733 --> 00:12:49,973 Speaker 6: So we've got those things to improve. But Nathan particularly, 216 00:12:50,013 --> 00:12:51,973 Speaker 6: I think has to move the ball a bit more. 217 00:12:52,573 --> 00:12:53,893 Speaker 7: I just don't see. 218 00:12:53,613 --> 00:12:57,253 Speaker 6: That happening yet. Maybe he can, maybe he can work 219 00:12:57,293 --> 00:12:59,773 Speaker 6: out some seeming options. I know he tries to use 220 00:12:59,773 --> 00:13:03,693 Speaker 6: a wobble ball, but he's just got to find some 221 00:13:03,773 --> 00:13:06,493 Speaker 6: movement a bit. I think as soon as he comes 222 00:13:06,493 --> 00:13:08,933 Speaker 6: on shy Hope actually started driving. 223 00:13:09,613 --> 00:13:12,853 Speaker 2: Yes, there's a number of things that have to be 224 00:13:12,893 --> 00:13:16,173 Speaker 2: worked on. I guess that teamwork that they've had over 225 00:13:16,173 --> 00:13:19,093 Speaker 2: a long period of time is being tested a little bit. 226 00:13:19,133 --> 00:13:22,013 Speaker 2: And we'll only know when they picked the side for 227 00:13:22,333 --> 00:13:24,973 Speaker 2: the Base Reserve Test match, because I guess conditions are 228 00:13:25,013 --> 00:13:27,813 Speaker 2: going to be pretty similar to what was the case 229 00:13:28,253 --> 00:13:30,893 Speaker 2: in christ Chitch in terms of pitch conditions. I don't 230 00:13:30,933 --> 00:13:33,773 Speaker 2: know about this wind around here at the moment, but 231 00:13:34,053 --> 00:13:36,493 Speaker 2: I think we're going to have a few guests over 232 00:13:36,573 --> 00:13:39,493 Speaker 2: the next few days in the capital, so we just 233 00:13:39,573 --> 00:13:44,013 Speaker 2: have to wait and see what the Wellington Strip offers. 234 00:13:44,093 --> 00:13:45,893 Speaker 2: I just want to take before we move on to 235 00:13:46,053 --> 00:13:50,093 Speaker 2: the ashes, take the opportunity to get a point of 236 00:13:50,173 --> 00:13:54,053 Speaker 2: view from across the water to the Caribbean and see 237 00:13:54,093 --> 00:13:58,773 Speaker 2: how the West Indias fans are taking the result of 238 00:13:58,813 --> 00:14:01,133 Speaker 2: the first Test match, the draw. And we're joined by 239 00:14:02,013 --> 00:14:06,773 Speaker 2: the voice of Cricket in the Caribbean, Andrew Mason. And 240 00:14:07,053 --> 00:14:08,213 Speaker 2: what's been the reaction over there? 241 00:14:09,093 --> 00:14:09,773 Speaker 9: Well, I'll tell you this. 242 00:14:09,973 --> 00:14:13,133 Speaker 4: People in the Caribbean are extremely happy with the performance 243 00:14:13,173 --> 00:14:16,733 Speaker 4: of the West Indy's team because as you know, when 244 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:20,333 Speaker 4: there were seventy two for four, many people said, oh, 245 00:14:20,453 --> 00:14:23,013 Speaker 4: there is going to be all over very soon. And 246 00:14:23,053 --> 00:14:26,653 Speaker 4: then when Hope got out and then followed by Imlac, 247 00:14:27,413 --> 00:14:31,013 Speaker 4: you know, it really was a very very difficult situation 248 00:14:31,093 --> 00:14:34,573 Speaker 4: for the West Indy's team. But you know, Justin Graves 249 00:14:34,573 --> 00:14:38,213 Speaker 4: battered extremely well, as you know, along with kem rosu 250 00:14:38,253 --> 00:14:43,493 Speaker 4: can back and it really has given West Indians from 251 00:14:43,613 --> 00:14:47,133 Speaker 4: Jamaica right through to Barbado's a Lyft a lot of 252 00:14:47,173 --> 00:14:50,453 Speaker 4: talk about it. In fact, yesterday I went into the 253 00:14:50,493 --> 00:14:53,933 Speaker 4: supermarket and people came up to be and said, boy, 254 00:14:53,973 --> 00:14:56,093 Speaker 4: it was so good to see the West and they 255 00:14:56,173 --> 00:14:59,733 Speaker 4: show some fight and determination. And I expect that during 256 00:14:59,773 --> 00:15:02,213 Speaker 4: the week we're going to be getting perhaps some of 257 00:15:02,253 --> 00:15:04,853 Speaker 4: the leaders. I mean, we've got a lot of Prime 258 00:15:04,893 --> 00:15:07,573 Speaker 4: ministers who are very much involved in cricket, so I 259 00:15:07,613 --> 00:15:11,053 Speaker 4: expect to see a lot of releases from Cricket West 260 00:15:11,133 --> 00:15:14,893 Speaker 4: Indies and on the calling programs. No no, people are 261 00:15:14,933 --> 00:15:18,253 Speaker 4: talking already my show Missing and Guests, which is going 262 00:15:18,253 --> 00:15:20,093 Speaker 4: to be on Tuesday. 263 00:15:20,413 --> 00:15:22,973 Speaker 9: You are a regular, very much a part of. 264 00:15:22,933 --> 00:15:25,333 Speaker 4: That show, I expect people to be calling in and 265 00:15:25,373 --> 00:15:26,733 Speaker 4: congratulating to the West Cities. 266 00:15:26,773 --> 00:15:29,453 Speaker 9: So the mood is a very good one. 267 00:15:30,053 --> 00:15:33,013 Speaker 4: People are in disbelief really because you never thought that 268 00:15:33,093 --> 00:15:35,173 Speaker 4: the West Indy would have been able to have drawn 269 00:15:35,173 --> 00:15:35,893 Speaker 4: that Test match. 270 00:15:37,013 --> 00:15:39,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that that proves a point, doesn't 271 00:15:39,333 --> 00:15:41,653 Speaker 2: it that there is something there that can be built 272 00:15:41,693 --> 00:15:43,933 Speaker 2: on to develop a Test metch side when you see 273 00:15:43,973 --> 00:15:46,773 Speaker 2: that kind of fight, particularly from Graves. We know what 274 00:15:46,853 --> 00:15:49,253 Speaker 2: Hope is like as a player, but you know there's 275 00:15:49,293 --> 00:15:52,253 Speaker 2: got to be a lesson there for the Test players 276 00:15:52,373 --> 00:15:53,533 Speaker 2: in the West Indies, doesn't they. 277 00:15:54,493 --> 00:15:56,133 Speaker 9: Yeah, there's no question about that. 278 00:15:56,333 --> 00:15:58,413 Speaker 4: In fact, you know, it's interesting that you talk about 279 00:15:58,413 --> 00:16:01,133 Speaker 4: the West Cindy say that is performing so poorly in 280 00:16:01,253 --> 00:16:04,013 Speaker 4: yet you know, in terms of run chase the best 281 00:16:04,533 --> 00:16:07,413 Speaker 4: that four hundred and eighteen against Australia a couple of 282 00:16:07,453 --> 00:16:09,973 Speaker 4: years ago, and look what they did a couple of 283 00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:13,613 Speaker 4: days ago in New Zealand. So it's almost like from 284 00:16:13,613 --> 00:16:16,373 Speaker 4: the zenis to the there really with the West Cindy's team, 285 00:16:16,373 --> 00:16:20,133 Speaker 4: where they can really really really make you very unhappy 286 00:16:20,493 --> 00:16:23,973 Speaker 4: and then they could come up with these odd great performances. 287 00:16:24,373 --> 00:16:26,533 Speaker 4: You talk about potential because when you look at the 288 00:16:26,533 --> 00:16:29,893 Speaker 4: West Indy side, you know they've got a pretty decent 289 00:16:29,973 --> 00:16:33,213 Speaker 4: ball in attack. I mean when as Zari Joseph and 290 00:16:33,413 --> 00:16:36,253 Speaker 4: Shama Joseph when they are fit along with someone like 291 00:16:36,293 --> 00:16:39,893 Speaker 4: a Keema Roat and Jaden seals to me that is 292 00:16:40,213 --> 00:16:43,413 Speaker 4: an attack that can worry most batsmen. 293 00:16:43,373 --> 00:16:46,173 Speaker 9: Most around the world. There's no question about that. 294 00:16:46,253 --> 00:16:48,813 Speaker 4: In terms of the batan, I think Atanas has got 295 00:16:48,973 --> 00:16:51,693 Speaker 4: some ability. I think he's just gotta maybe understand that 296 00:16:51,693 --> 00:16:53,573 Speaker 4: when he's playing the red ball, he's gotta be about 297 00:16:53,573 --> 00:16:57,373 Speaker 4: those white ball shots, you know. And certainly Chanderpaul can 298 00:16:57,413 --> 00:17:01,093 Speaker 4: battle long and share hope is a world class batsman. 299 00:17:01,413 --> 00:17:02,933 Speaker 4: So when you look at the team, it is a 300 00:17:02,973 --> 00:17:04,413 Speaker 4: team that's got some potential. 301 00:17:05,253 --> 00:17:07,893 Speaker 2: Yeah, and mentioning on top of that too, another name, 302 00:17:08,013 --> 00:17:11,013 Speaker 2: Kevin Hodge, who didn't even get selected for the SOB 303 00:17:11,093 --> 00:17:14,573 Speaker 2: when people thought he might have been selected and has 304 00:17:14,973 --> 00:17:16,733 Speaker 2: started to fashion a record, hasn't he. 305 00:17:17,013 --> 00:17:20,013 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it is an interesting question you ask and 306 00:17:20,133 --> 00:17:24,213 Speaker 4: the one that people need to answer. 307 00:17:24,573 --> 00:17:26,173 Speaker 9: As you know, when the West and East team went 308 00:17:26,213 --> 00:17:27,933 Speaker 9: to England, he made a hundred. 309 00:17:27,933 --> 00:17:30,893 Speaker 4: In fact, he was the only West Indian batsman who 310 00:17:30,973 --> 00:17:33,773 Speaker 4: made a hundred and people were very very surprised that 311 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:36,613 Speaker 4: he didn't play against the Australians and they know that 312 00:17:36,813 --> 00:17:40,773 Speaker 4: Dominickan's were extremely upset on my show that would call 313 00:17:40,853 --> 00:17:43,733 Speaker 4: and say, what's going on with Cavin Hodge. Actually, Hodge 314 00:17:44,013 --> 00:17:46,533 Speaker 4: should really be in the eleven because when you look 315 00:17:46,533 --> 00:17:49,773 Speaker 4: at the West Cindy's team, in my view, there's no 316 00:17:49,933 --> 00:17:52,853 Speaker 4: need to play the extra ball in because you've got 317 00:17:52,973 --> 00:17:57,333 Speaker 4: Justin Graves, Jaden Seals, JS Seals, Johanan and Keemar Roach. 318 00:17:57,693 --> 00:17:58,533 Speaker 9: You've got six. 319 00:17:58,853 --> 00:18:03,173 Speaker 4: I know that the conditions suited the medium paces and 320 00:18:03,173 --> 00:18:05,853 Speaker 4: those who can build a bit quicker, but with someone 321 00:18:05,933 --> 00:18:09,453 Speaker 4: like a Roust and Chase, then think there's an overlord 322 00:18:09,453 --> 00:18:11,933 Speaker 4: of bawling. So one would have thought, and I suspect 323 00:18:11,933 --> 00:18:13,453 Speaker 4: that what they will do for the next test is 324 00:18:13,453 --> 00:18:16,333 Speaker 4: to bring him in and possibly drop jo hand Lane. 325 00:18:16,493 --> 00:18:18,653 Speaker 9: He really should have been in the first tests. 326 00:18:19,773 --> 00:18:22,213 Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, Then I was just going to ask you 327 00:18:22,253 --> 00:18:25,053 Speaker 2: what should they do from afar as you know the 328 00:18:25,453 --> 00:18:28,613 Speaker 2: team and the players and the performances, Well, that would 329 00:18:28,613 --> 00:18:29,813 Speaker 2: be the change that you would make. 330 00:18:30,933 --> 00:18:34,773 Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about that, because you know, you know 331 00:18:34,933 --> 00:18:38,133 Speaker 4: as much as chemar Ross did that at number number eight. 332 00:18:38,173 --> 00:18:41,133 Speaker 4: I don't think he's really number eight batsmen and they're 333 00:18:41,133 --> 00:18:44,733 Speaker 4: really are a batsman short, you know, and you know 334 00:18:44,773 --> 00:18:47,013 Speaker 4: you've got it at the top, you know, you know 335 00:18:47,053 --> 00:18:49,973 Speaker 4: two batsmen who have not been in and out of 336 00:18:50,013 --> 00:18:54,373 Speaker 4: course you know recently John Campbell got a hundred, and 337 00:18:54,413 --> 00:18:58,973 Speaker 4: then of course Atanez has been showing glimpses. I hope 338 00:18:59,053 --> 00:19:01,493 Speaker 4: is a very very good player. The captain is a 339 00:19:01,493 --> 00:19:04,213 Speaker 4: big worry, there's no question about that. And then you've 340 00:19:04,213 --> 00:19:06,453 Speaker 4: got Imlac who's not playing well. There's a third or 341 00:19:06,493 --> 00:19:09,893 Speaker 4: fourth Test match, so the art on farm and short 342 00:19:09,933 --> 00:19:12,613 Speaker 4: and experience, and one would have thought someone who did 343 00:19:12,653 --> 00:19:15,693 Speaker 4: so very well in England making that one hundred, and 344 00:19:15,733 --> 00:19:19,613 Speaker 4: then you also got a decent score in Australia where 345 00:19:19,613 --> 00:19:22,573 Speaker 4: he won that Test match, would have been in the side. 346 00:19:22,613 --> 00:19:24,813 Speaker 4: So I would think that they're going to look at 347 00:19:24,853 --> 00:19:29,613 Speaker 4: the construct of the side and bring Calvin Hodge into 348 00:19:29,653 --> 00:19:33,453 Speaker 4: this side. And you vote Johann lane Au j Seals, 349 00:19:33,813 --> 00:19:37,453 Speaker 4: the big fastballer, twenty nine year old teacher from Jamaica, 350 00:19:37,533 --> 00:19:42,453 Speaker 4: spotted by the former England You know a batsman Roland Butcher, 351 00:19:42,493 --> 00:19:45,173 Speaker 4: who was then a selector, has looked impressive and I 352 00:19:45,173 --> 00:19:47,213 Speaker 4: think that he will hold onto his place, So I 353 00:19:47,253 --> 00:19:51,373 Speaker 4: expect the Westinings to make a change. Bringing Hodge and 354 00:19:51,373 --> 00:19:53,173 Speaker 4: he wote young fastballer. 355 00:19:52,773 --> 00:19:55,533 Speaker 2: Lane the Western he looked as though they were more 356 00:19:55,733 --> 00:20:00,253 Speaker 2: intent on a draw in this game. And you know, 357 00:20:00,253 --> 00:20:01,693 Speaker 2: if you look at it, if I'd been a bit 358 00:20:01,733 --> 00:20:04,133 Speaker 2: more assertive on that filder, they could quite easily have 359 00:20:04,213 --> 00:20:06,853 Speaker 2: reached that target the way they were playing. Did you 360 00:20:06,853 --> 00:20:08,893 Speaker 2: see it that way? Or am I a little bit 361 00:20:08,933 --> 00:20:09,573 Speaker 2: too critical? 362 00:20:10,213 --> 00:20:16,053 Speaker 4: Well that's a very interesting question and interesting observation as well, 363 00:20:16,453 --> 00:20:20,333 Speaker 4: because only today I was on the road and there 364 00:20:20,373 --> 00:20:22,693 Speaker 4: was this gentleman who said to me, look, you know, 365 00:20:22,733 --> 00:20:25,973 Speaker 4: I think the West Cindy's team should have gone for 366 00:20:26,653 --> 00:20:27,253 Speaker 4: the victory. 367 00:20:27,733 --> 00:20:29,933 Speaker 9: You know, you can't criticize them. 368 00:20:29,733 --> 00:20:32,573 Speaker 4: Because the reality is, you know, you'd lost six wickets, 369 00:20:32,733 --> 00:20:36,053 Speaker 4: you know, got a long tail, and although at one 370 00:20:36,213 --> 00:20:38,853 Speaker 4: stage it certainly looked as if they would have done it, 371 00:20:38,893 --> 00:20:41,533 Speaker 4: but I think they've made up their minds once Hope 372 00:20:41,573 --> 00:20:46,133 Speaker 4: got out and got out that despite the fact that 373 00:20:46,173 --> 00:20:49,893 Speaker 4: Graves was going well and Chemo rochow Wall who actually 374 00:20:49,893 --> 00:20:52,773 Speaker 4: back as seventy two consecutive deliveries without getting a single 375 00:20:53,093 --> 00:20:54,573 Speaker 4: I think it was pretty clear that they did not 376 00:20:54,733 --> 00:20:56,653 Speaker 4: want to go for the victory. But when you look 377 00:20:56,653 --> 00:21:01,093 Speaker 4: at it one stage, had they contemplated they could have 378 00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:03,293 Speaker 4: gone for it, and to be honest with you, had 379 00:21:03,293 --> 00:21:05,613 Speaker 4: they gone for the victory and lost, I don't. 380 00:21:05,373 --> 00:21:07,133 Speaker 9: Think there would have been a great deal of criticism 381 00:21:07,293 --> 00:21:08,053 Speaker 9: in the Caribbean. 382 00:21:08,893 --> 00:21:11,253 Speaker 2: No, it's an interesting one. I mean you faced with 383 00:21:11,293 --> 00:21:14,613 Speaker 2: that issue, particularly being a World Test Championship too, where 384 00:21:14,653 --> 00:21:17,413 Speaker 2: points are significant in the West, and he didn't have 385 00:21:17,453 --> 00:21:20,733 Speaker 2: any from five games. So they've started now with some points, 386 00:21:20,733 --> 00:21:21,253 Speaker 2: haven't they. 387 00:21:22,053 --> 00:21:25,453 Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, and that's critical. I mean we had done 388 00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:26,373 Speaker 9: the Pekenorda. 389 00:21:26,653 --> 00:21:30,173 Speaker 4: You know against Australia, we were completely outplayed, you know, 390 00:21:30,253 --> 00:21:33,893 Speaker 4: I mean against England, and you know in New Zealand 391 00:21:33,973 --> 00:21:37,773 Speaker 4: there's the expectation that we would have actually lost all 392 00:21:37,813 --> 00:21:40,933 Speaker 4: three Test mats and it's going to be happening for 393 00:21:41,053 --> 00:21:41,613 Speaker 4: the second Test. 394 00:21:41,613 --> 00:21:43,093 Speaker 9: I would imagine it would be buoyed. 395 00:21:43,293 --> 00:21:47,213 Speaker 4: By the fight that they assured in the first Test match. 396 00:21:47,373 --> 00:21:49,853 Speaker 4: You've got one or two challenges to in terms of injuries, 397 00:21:50,253 --> 00:21:53,333 Speaker 4: and I think the best cities are no hoping that 398 00:21:53,373 --> 00:21:56,373 Speaker 4: they can do pretty well and challenge seriously in the 399 00:21:56,413 --> 00:21:57,253 Speaker 4: second tests. 400 00:21:57,653 --> 00:22:00,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you make the most interesting point about 401 00:22:00,133 --> 00:22:02,773 Speaker 2: the bowling attack too, the fact that the new man 402 00:22:02,813 --> 00:22:04,693 Speaker 2: came in and he looked impressive. You're not going to 403 00:22:04,693 --> 00:22:06,653 Speaker 2: get a million dollars out of him in the first 404 00:22:06,693 --> 00:22:08,813 Speaker 2: Test match, but you know, if he can use the 405 00:22:08,813 --> 00:22:13,173 Speaker 2: development shields the way he's shun, then you know you've 406 00:22:13,213 --> 00:22:16,053 Speaker 2: got that makeup of bowlers and you get those players 407 00:22:16,093 --> 00:22:20,853 Speaker 2: back Zarry Joseph and Jama Jos Joseph, You've got the 408 00:22:20,973 --> 00:22:23,933 Speaker 2: makings of a bowling attack. And I mentioned that before 409 00:22:24,573 --> 00:22:26,933 Speaker 2: this series that you know you were going to be 410 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:29,853 Speaker 2: dangerous with that attack. You haven't quite got what you 411 00:22:29,933 --> 00:22:32,173 Speaker 2: want there, but you know there's no reason to be 412 00:22:32,253 --> 00:22:33,533 Speaker 2: depressed by at all, is there? 413 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:35,293 Speaker 9: Yeah? I agree with you. 414 00:22:35,293 --> 00:22:39,693 Speaker 4: You know when you look at audio shields and you know, 415 00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:46,213 Speaker 4: I've got great respect for Roland Butcher, who quite stunningly 416 00:22:46,493 --> 00:22:49,653 Speaker 4: was removed as a select. He knows the game inside 417 00:22:49,693 --> 00:22:53,133 Speaker 4: out and I remember talking to him and he said 418 00:22:53,133 --> 00:22:55,533 Speaker 4: to me, first of all, he was the one who 419 00:22:55,613 --> 00:22:59,653 Speaker 4: told me about Shama Joseph and he picked him as 420 00:22:59,733 --> 00:23:02,333 Speaker 4: a result of playing CPR cricket. He told me there 421 00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:04,853 Speaker 4: was a NOOV board so fast and he's told the 422 00:23:04,933 --> 00:23:09,373 Speaker 4: then Convenence Selectors Desmond Heynes that here was a young 423 00:23:09,413 --> 00:23:11,933 Speaker 4: man that had the ability and look what happened when 424 00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:14,613 Speaker 4: he came in to the West Indies team. And he 425 00:23:14,653 --> 00:23:18,253 Speaker 4: also made the same comment about O. J. Shields about 426 00:23:18,253 --> 00:23:20,373 Speaker 4: a year and a half ago. He said to me Andrew, 427 00:23:20,693 --> 00:23:24,333 Speaker 4: I've seen this big, strong fastball from Jamaica. He certainly 428 00:23:24,373 --> 00:23:27,093 Speaker 4: got some gas and I think that he's one that 429 00:23:27,413 --> 00:23:31,693 Speaker 4: certainly should be considered. And I was speaking to some 430 00:23:31,733 --> 00:23:35,453 Speaker 4: of the Barbados crickets when the regional tournament was held 431 00:23:35,493 --> 00:23:38,813 Speaker 4: last year and they said in Caribbee in Paradiz, he 432 00:23:38,893 --> 00:23:42,253 Speaker 4: was hitting the back hard and he's big and strong, 433 00:23:42,893 --> 00:23:45,853 Speaker 4: he's fit, and he's got some pace. And I like 434 00:23:45,973 --> 00:23:49,173 Speaker 4: him because I think a combination of as Zari Joseph, 435 00:23:49,173 --> 00:23:53,373 Speaker 4: Samara Joseph, O J. Shields and of course Jaden Seals 436 00:23:53,773 --> 00:23:56,093 Speaker 4: and of course the experience of a Keema Roach that 437 00:23:56,573 --> 00:23:58,773 Speaker 4: in my view brand is a pretty decent attack. 438 00:23:59,293 --> 00:24:00,613 Speaker 2: Yeah. How important was came? 439 00:24:00,613 --> 00:24:00,893 Speaker 1: I right? 440 00:24:01,053 --> 00:24:03,173 Speaker 2: That experience to my mind played a big part. 441 00:24:03,973 --> 00:24:05,733 Speaker 9: You know, when you talk about Keema Roach. 442 00:24:07,093 --> 00:24:11,933 Speaker 4: He only got in to the squad because of the injury, 443 00:24:12,933 --> 00:24:16,733 Speaker 4: the injuries to Azarid Joseph and to Shamar Joseph because 444 00:24:16,773 --> 00:24:20,933 Speaker 4: as you know, when the Australians were in the Caribbean earlier, 445 00:24:21,133 --> 00:24:25,213 Speaker 4: there were three Test matches and Keemar Roach was not selected. 446 00:24:25,253 --> 00:24:28,613 Speaker 4: In fact, we had Anderson Philip Beans selected. 447 00:24:28,253 --> 00:24:28,773 Speaker 9: Ahead of him. 448 00:24:29,013 --> 00:24:32,413 Speaker 4: Although head coached Darren Sammy made an interesting comment. I 449 00:24:32,413 --> 00:24:34,453 Speaker 4: don't think many people believe the comment that he made 450 00:24:34,693 --> 00:24:37,093 Speaker 4: when he said that there was always room for Keima 451 00:24:37,253 --> 00:24:41,133 Speaker 4: rot Roch only got into the best Cindy's squad because 452 00:24:41,173 --> 00:24:43,453 Speaker 4: of the injuries. And you know he's got two hundred 453 00:24:43,453 --> 00:24:46,733 Speaker 4: and ninety one Test wickets. He's been a wonderful servant 454 00:24:46,733 --> 00:24:49,093 Speaker 4: of westge Cirk for quite a long time. And look 455 00:24:49,173 --> 00:24:51,253 Speaker 4: what he did with both Bat and Bob picking up 456 00:24:51,293 --> 00:24:54,893 Speaker 4: five wickets and then you know saving the Test match 457 00:24:54,933 --> 00:24:58,053 Speaker 4: in fact against Pakistani the last billet sad a part 458 00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:02,693 Speaker 4: in the last wicket partnership. He actually was able to 459 00:25:02,733 --> 00:25:04,773 Speaker 4: win the Test match. I know him very well. He's 460 00:25:04,773 --> 00:25:08,773 Speaker 4: a Barbadian. I see him play cricket in local cricket 461 00:25:08,773 --> 00:25:11,213 Speaker 4: here in Barbados, and he's got a good defense, good 462 00:25:11,253 --> 00:25:14,013 Speaker 4: technique and he's actually played the spinners very well. So 463 00:25:14,293 --> 00:25:17,093 Speaker 4: there's the value in Keemar Roch using all of his 464 00:25:17,173 --> 00:25:19,813 Speaker 4: experience as a baller and towards the back end of 465 00:25:19,853 --> 00:25:22,573 Speaker 4: the in ends, certainly has done a pretty good job. 466 00:25:22,613 --> 00:25:23,693 Speaker 9: So congrat listens to. 467 00:25:23,693 --> 00:25:27,333 Speaker 2: Him, Thanks very much, Andrew. Yes, Well, a happy bunch 468 00:25:27,373 --> 00:25:30,813 Speaker 2: of campers in that part of the world. I guess 469 00:25:30,853 --> 00:25:32,893 Speaker 2: they've got reason to be happy as well too with 470 00:25:32,973 --> 00:25:37,453 Speaker 2: the performance, particularly of Justin Greeves. We expected from Hope 471 00:25:38,533 --> 00:25:41,693 Speaker 2: and we got it from him. But Grieves has shown that, 472 00:25:42,693 --> 00:25:45,853 Speaker 2: you know, there is something there that they can build 473 00:25:46,093 --> 00:25:47,853 Speaker 2: the future of the Caribbean crickanon. 474 00:25:48,653 --> 00:25:52,093 Speaker 3: If I think we touched on Hope one of the 475 00:25:52,173 --> 00:25:55,773 Speaker 3: previous podcasts said that he seemed to be someone with 476 00:25:55,853 --> 00:26:02,573 Speaker 3: the genuine ability and and showed it. Showed it this 477 00:26:02,573 --> 00:26:07,653 Speaker 3: this taste with Grieves, I well, I knew nothing on them, 478 00:26:07,693 --> 00:26:11,613 Speaker 3: but pretty fine innings. That said, if I'm ever going 479 00:26:11,693 --> 00:26:15,333 Speaker 3: to make runs is on a flat deck in the 480 00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:19,213 Speaker 3: sun with about three bowlers. I'm taking that. 481 00:26:19,253 --> 00:26:20,293 Speaker 9: Aren't I so? 482 00:26:20,493 --> 00:26:22,613 Speaker 2: But that happens now in it, you know, I mean 483 00:26:22,653 --> 00:26:24,173 Speaker 2: the good week and two, isn't it? 484 00:26:24,653 --> 00:26:24,853 Speaker 9: Yeah? 485 00:26:24,893 --> 00:26:27,573 Speaker 3: And can I just can I just mention I heard 486 00:26:27,573 --> 00:26:32,293 Speaker 3: some nonsense about should we have substitute our bowlers or 487 00:26:32,333 --> 00:26:35,453 Speaker 3: something was raised by by someone and I thought, sorry, 488 00:26:36,453 --> 00:26:38,653 Speaker 3: no is the answer. It's Test cricket. 489 00:26:38,933 --> 00:26:42,053 Speaker 2: That wasn't you, Jerry was It wasn't certainly wasn't me. 490 00:26:42,613 --> 00:26:46,413 Speaker 6: I'm very sympathetic to what Moose is saying about it's 491 00:26:46,413 --> 00:26:49,133 Speaker 6: the hardest format of the game, and you prepare yourself. 492 00:26:49,413 --> 00:26:52,093 Speaker 6: And I did mention earlier, was didn't I? I think 493 00:26:52,493 --> 00:26:55,893 Speaker 6: our players have to. If you're moving from white ball cricket, 494 00:26:56,013 --> 00:26:59,693 Speaker 6: totally white ball cricket from October right through, you know 495 00:26:59,813 --> 00:27:03,253 Speaker 6: the game's coming up, you'd start to build up and 496 00:27:03,373 --> 00:27:04,373 Speaker 6: prepare yourself. 497 00:27:04,613 --> 00:27:05,613 Speaker 7: And if that means. 498 00:27:05,413 --> 00:27:08,253 Speaker 6: Playing a four day match so that you get fifteen 499 00:27:08,453 --> 00:27:11,813 Speaker 6: overs and then twenty overs and the second innings, even 500 00:27:11,893 --> 00:27:14,613 Speaker 6: if it's not at full one hundred percent all the time, 501 00:27:15,573 --> 00:27:19,053 Speaker 6: you are ready to bowl for the rigors of a 502 00:27:19,093 --> 00:27:21,053 Speaker 6: Test match. It is a Test match. You can't get 503 00:27:21,053 --> 00:27:23,853 Speaker 6: any higher and harder. I mean we know that help. 504 00:27:24,213 --> 00:27:26,413 Speaker 6: I mean one days are a little bit harder, but 505 00:27:26,453 --> 00:27:29,653 Speaker 6: you're still only three spells, so you're getting sort of 506 00:27:30,253 --> 00:27:33,373 Speaker 6: three two, you know that sort of and then a 507 00:27:33,453 --> 00:27:37,493 Speaker 6: four or something like that. Sometimes you don't even get 508 00:27:37,493 --> 00:27:40,933 Speaker 6: your ten overs. And then of course in T twenty 509 00:27:40,973 --> 00:27:44,853 Speaker 6: I mean it's it's just that's four overs, so I 510 00:27:44,853 --> 00:27:47,573 Speaker 6: mean it's not getting you ready for Test cricket though, 511 00:27:47,693 --> 00:27:48,493 Speaker 6: is it that stuff? 512 00:27:48,973 --> 00:27:49,493 Speaker 3: No, it isn't. 513 00:27:49,533 --> 00:27:53,573 Speaker 2: Indeed, good point raised by Moose and the emphatic no 514 00:27:54,133 --> 00:27:59,093 Speaker 2: supports everything you said, which was no, and well done 515 00:27:59,133 --> 00:27:59,573 Speaker 2: to that. 516 00:27:59,533 --> 00:28:03,493 Speaker 5: Brian Waddle. Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 517 00:28:03,613 --> 00:28:08,413 Speaker 2: England, well, if you're an English cricket fan and you 518 00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:11,293 Speaker 2: you paid money to go to watch the Esher series, 519 00:28:11,853 --> 00:28:14,413 Speaker 2: boy you'd be cursing them at the moment. Ben Stokes 520 00:28:14,453 --> 00:28:19,413 Speaker 2: has questioned as players mentality after their crushing defeat by Australia. 521 00:28:20,013 --> 00:28:22,973 Speaker 2: He's seeing his dressing room is not a place for 522 00:28:23,093 --> 00:28:26,573 Speaker 2: weak men. And another critic, of course has been Michael Vaughan. 523 00:28:26,853 --> 00:28:29,093 Speaker 2: England tore aside that for three or four years now 524 00:28:29,213 --> 00:28:33,133 Speaker 2: have played one way and I just think teams know 525 00:28:33,253 --> 00:28:36,093 Speaker 2: how to play against them and that's a real worry 526 00:28:36,333 --> 00:28:41,173 Speaker 2: and there's been critics, are plenty of them. Interesting comment 527 00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:44,533 Speaker 2: though from Stokes Jerry that the dressing room is not 528 00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:49,173 Speaker 2: a place for weak men. He's certainly testing their psychological 529 00:28:49,213 --> 00:28:52,333 Speaker 2: approach and ability to stand up with his Australians, doesn't. 530 00:28:52,093 --> 00:28:55,253 Speaker 6: He Oh, I don't know, I thought they were all 531 00:28:55,253 --> 00:28:59,533 Speaker 6: supposed to be mates. That's the sort of thing that 532 00:28:59,653 --> 00:29:02,893 Speaker 6: McCullum has been kind of building up, hasn't it over 533 00:29:02,933 --> 00:29:06,133 Speaker 6: the last two or three years. We're all together in this, 534 00:29:06,893 --> 00:29:12,173 Speaker 6: But they are they're making this making mistakes. We've already 535 00:29:12,213 --> 00:29:17,173 Speaker 6: spoken about how Test cricket is not one dimensional. That 536 00:29:17,253 --> 00:29:21,173 Speaker 6: you need to be able to survive certain periods and 537 00:29:21,453 --> 00:29:25,493 Speaker 6: dig in at certain times and be freer at other times. 538 00:29:26,013 --> 00:29:30,613 Speaker 6: And certainly that's exacerbated when you play in a day 539 00:29:30,693 --> 00:29:32,853 Speaker 6: night match. There are times of the day when the 540 00:29:32,893 --> 00:29:36,733 Speaker 6: game is obviously harder than others and easier at certain 541 00:29:36,773 --> 00:29:42,253 Speaker 6: times as well. So the Australian seemed to be to 542 00:29:42,293 --> 00:29:46,173 Speaker 6: be quite smart. They batted quite slowly, didn't they when 543 00:29:46,413 --> 00:29:49,373 Speaker 6: stark and was it bowl and were together for a 544 00:29:49,413 --> 00:29:52,733 Speaker 6: long time, and they took up and they used up 545 00:29:52,773 --> 00:29:55,493 Speaker 6: that time so that when they bowled they were going 546 00:29:55,533 --> 00:29:58,133 Speaker 6: to bowl in the period when the light was changing. 547 00:29:58,613 --> 00:30:02,373 Speaker 6: Seemed very very There's nothing way too smart than that, guys, 548 00:30:02,453 --> 00:30:05,693 Speaker 6: is there. It's just basic cricket and trying to put 549 00:30:05,733 --> 00:30:08,653 Speaker 6: your team into the best place. But I don't see 550 00:30:08,653 --> 00:30:11,533 Speaker 6: that from England. I don't even see that level of 551 00:30:11,573 --> 00:30:16,493 Speaker 6: intelligence going on. So they deserve really to be where 552 00:30:16,533 --> 00:30:19,413 Speaker 6: they are at the moment loose cricket, and it's been 553 00:30:19,453 --> 00:30:24,813 Speaker 6: costly against the side that for Australia. It's not their 554 00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:28,293 Speaker 6: best side, is it. You know, you you bring it. 555 00:30:28,373 --> 00:30:32,133 Speaker 6: I mean with the bowling particularly, it's not. And they're 556 00:30:32,173 --> 00:30:35,173 Speaker 6: looking around for the top order players, but they're not. 557 00:30:35,973 --> 00:30:40,693 Speaker 6: They're not hopeless players. They're steady and their systems have 558 00:30:40,853 --> 00:30:44,413 Speaker 6: worked to get those levels of players into that side, 559 00:30:44,453 --> 00:30:47,173 Speaker 6: even though it's not Cummins or Hazel with those those 560 00:30:47,253 --> 00:30:51,533 Speaker 6: kinds of bowlers, so they are able to speck them 561 00:30:51,613 --> 00:30:53,133 Speaker 6: and they do the job for you. 562 00:30:53,973 --> 00:30:55,973 Speaker 3: I think one of your earlier hosts in an earlier 563 00:30:56,013 --> 00:31:00,053 Speaker 3: podcast very stupidly observed that this coming test pinkball test 564 00:31:00,133 --> 00:31:03,853 Speaker 3: could could be difficult for them and that the whole 565 00:31:03,853 --> 00:31:06,293 Speaker 3: thing might unravel. It was again, oh yes that was me. 566 00:31:10,013 --> 00:31:12,733 Speaker 3: But so it's so it's proven now when you look 567 00:31:12,773 --> 00:31:15,813 Speaker 3: down that list of of the first innings of Australia, 568 00:31:15,973 --> 00:31:19,413 Speaker 3: no one failed. Everyone day Again, there had to be 569 00:31:19,933 --> 00:31:22,293 Speaker 3: that you had to be impressed with us. You talked 570 00:31:22,333 --> 00:31:26,573 Speaker 3: on the fact that Jerry they're pulling players in, but 571 00:31:26,613 --> 00:31:29,653 Speaker 3: a lot of these players are very experienced cricketers. Niece 572 00:31:29,733 --> 00:31:32,053 Speaker 3: has been around for a long time being in the squad, 573 00:31:32,693 --> 00:31:35,373 Speaker 3: had a really good role to play, took up an end, 574 00:31:35,493 --> 00:31:39,893 Speaker 3: gave Stark time he was he was impressive. I did 575 00:31:40,053 --> 00:31:42,293 Speaker 3: enjoy watching Cary stand up with the stumps to him. 576 00:31:42,373 --> 00:31:44,173 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's a long lost art, but 577 00:31:44,253 --> 00:31:47,653 Speaker 3: that looked fantastic. Put pressure on the batsman. And the 578 00:31:47,733 --> 00:31:48,693 Speaker 3: other thing about. 579 00:31:49,173 --> 00:31:51,893 Speaker 6: Not a bad moves not a bad catch either. When 580 00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:54,653 Speaker 6: he turned round and ran back with a lamber shine, 581 00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:57,613 Speaker 6: imagine him trying to pull your trousers down and he's 582 00:31:57,653 --> 00:32:00,133 Speaker 6: taken the catch as well, running away with his back 583 00:32:00,213 --> 00:32:01,213 Speaker 6: to the to the wicket. 584 00:32:01,613 --> 00:32:05,093 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. Here's the point that I'll probably want to 585 00:32:05,093 --> 00:32:09,613 Speaker 3: cut to. Is England drop five catches? Its text the catchers, 586 00:32:10,013 --> 00:32:13,053 Speaker 3: they do the basics very very well. They get them. 587 00:32:13,413 --> 00:32:16,213 Speaker 3: You make a mistake, we'll get you. Even though it's 588 00:32:16,213 --> 00:32:18,973 Speaker 3: not their best team, we will still get you in 589 00:32:19,013 --> 00:32:22,933 Speaker 3: the field. And in the story eight wickets. 590 00:32:22,773 --> 00:32:25,173 Speaker 2: England had a chance. They battered reasonably well on their 591 00:32:25,173 --> 00:32:27,893 Speaker 2: first innings, but they just didn't have the commitment that 592 00:32:27,933 --> 00:32:30,893 Speaker 2: they needed to. They've got three hundred and twenty something 593 00:32:30,973 --> 00:32:32,773 Speaker 2: or other on it, but they gave away five. 594 00:32:32,653 --> 00:32:36,413 Speaker 7: Hundred one of the poor, wasn't it. 595 00:32:36,733 --> 00:32:38,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, and they are supposed to be 596 00:32:38,733 --> 00:32:40,453 Speaker 2: the ones that were going to rip Australia a part 597 00:32:41,013 --> 00:32:44,013 Speaker 2: the England bowling. It was interesting too. Another comment that 598 00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:49,093 Speaker 2: really fascinated me was Brendan McCullum said England trained too 599 00:32:49,173 --> 00:32:54,453 Speaker 2: much amid criticism of their preparations. I'm sorry, I can't 600 00:32:54,533 --> 00:32:58,533 Speaker 2: wear that comment. You can't train too much. It's not 601 00:32:58,653 --> 00:33:02,093 Speaker 2: about quantity, it's quality, isn't it. And somehow I don't 602 00:33:02,093 --> 00:33:04,853 Speaker 2: think they've had the quality that they need to prepare 603 00:33:04,893 --> 00:33:08,333 Speaker 2: themselves for test matches. You can't train too much, can you? 604 00:33:09,733 --> 00:33:14,213 Speaker 3: I think good training in short periods is the key. 605 00:33:14,893 --> 00:33:18,853 Speaker 3: But there's something something's going to miss there. I heard 606 00:33:18,893 --> 00:33:25,053 Speaker 3: overnight various interviews from Butcher through to Harmison who are 607 00:33:25,173 --> 00:33:29,493 Speaker 3: strongly suggesting that McCallum could be on his last leagus. 608 00:33:29,653 --> 00:33:32,493 Speaker 3: Now doesn't surprise because the knives have been out for 609 00:33:32,533 --> 00:33:35,693 Speaker 3: quite a while, haven't they For Brendan McCullum. But when 610 00:33:35,693 --> 00:33:39,493 Speaker 3: you make statements like that, you rather invite these sorts 611 00:33:39,533 --> 00:33:45,013 Speaker 3: of strong criticisms and doesn't help your cause, especially when 612 00:33:45,053 --> 00:33:45,853 Speaker 3: you're getting flogged. 613 00:33:46,413 --> 00:33:51,293 Speaker 6: No training short, the shortest amount that the most intense 614 00:33:51,373 --> 00:33:54,053 Speaker 6: training is what you basically want, isn't it fit as 615 00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:57,293 Speaker 6: much training into the shortest amount of time as possible. 616 00:33:57,573 --> 00:34:00,613 Speaker 6: I remember Congo and seventy three had us going for 617 00:34:00,693 --> 00:34:04,053 Speaker 6: six hours a day. We would actually have a morning 618 00:34:04,653 --> 00:34:07,853 Speaker 6: and then we'd hit that, get lunch and nice little 619 00:34:08,053 --> 00:34:11,733 Speaker 6: horror Sarah's salad, and then and then out we'd go 620 00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:17,053 Speaker 6: again for another three hours. So that's I think that's 621 00:34:17,213 --> 00:34:20,693 Speaker 6: not the way to approach training. But I think they're 622 00:34:20,733 --> 00:34:24,973 Speaker 6: talking about going to Brisbane early and practicing under lights, 623 00:34:26,853 --> 00:34:30,133 Speaker 6: which makes sense to me. So you should, so you should. 624 00:34:30,413 --> 00:34:33,213 Speaker 6: Didn't seem to work, did it, really? I'm afraid the 625 00:34:33,293 --> 00:34:37,613 Speaker 6: catching wasn't there. You've got to hold your catchers. We 626 00:34:37,693 --> 00:34:41,213 Speaker 6: drop five as I said, as well, and some bad 627 00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:43,493 Speaker 6: ones and it does cost you over the game, There's 628 00:34:43,493 --> 00:34:44,493 Speaker 6: no doubt about that. 629 00:34:45,373 --> 00:34:45,613 Speaker 3: Yep. 630 00:34:45,653 --> 00:34:48,533 Speaker 2: It allows partnerships to build and give sides the ability 631 00:34:48,573 --> 00:34:51,613 Speaker 2: to develop titles that they might not normally have been 632 00:34:51,773 --> 00:34:53,933 Speaker 2: able to do. We'll wait and see, but it looks 633 00:34:53,973 --> 00:34:56,613 Speaker 2: like the Ashes are gone. I don't see England getting 634 00:34:56,653 --> 00:35:01,973 Speaker 2: three Test victories to secure the Ashes from Australia. 635 00:35:02,453 --> 00:35:06,533 Speaker 5: On the front foot. With Waddle and Cody, A group. 636 00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:09,773 Speaker 2: Of retired Black Cap cricketers include former Test captain Mark 637 00:35:09,813 --> 00:35:12,533 Speaker 2: Burgess and John Parker, sign an open letter to the 638 00:35:12,573 --> 00:35:17,733 Speaker 2: backers of proposed independent T twenty cricket competition outlining their 639 00:35:17,813 --> 00:35:23,213 Speaker 2: grave fears about the contact concept. The plans have been 640 00:35:23,253 --> 00:35:26,373 Speaker 2: revealed for some time. The group of players, with hundreds 641 00:35:26,373 --> 00:35:28,973 Speaker 2: of Test caps between them, say they fear for the 642 00:35:29,013 --> 00:35:33,133 Speaker 2: game's future and worry about the financing of the proposed competition. 643 00:35:33,933 --> 00:35:36,253 Speaker 2: I guess we're all going to be worried about that. 644 00:35:36,413 --> 00:35:40,013 Speaker 2: But the issue, Jerry, I don't know whether you were 645 00:35:40,133 --> 00:35:43,173 Speaker 2: asked to sign the letter of a former players, but 646 00:35:43,973 --> 00:35:46,093 Speaker 2: to me it seems simple. You've got to get together, 647 00:35:46,653 --> 00:35:49,133 Speaker 2: decide on a concept for T twenty. Whether you want 648 00:35:49,133 --> 00:35:50,813 Speaker 2: T twenty or not, you're going to have to live 649 00:35:50,853 --> 00:35:53,293 Speaker 2: with it because it's part of the world game, and 650 00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:57,013 Speaker 2: come up with a unanimous decision that everybody can buy into. 651 00:35:57,093 --> 00:36:00,053 Speaker 2: We don't want to have a standard argument at board 652 00:36:00,173 --> 00:36:03,493 Speaker 2: level or between players and former players and current players 653 00:36:03,613 --> 00:36:07,493 Speaker 2: and those kinds of things. It seems to me as 654 00:36:07,493 --> 00:36:10,253 Speaker 2: though it could be something that's easy to settle, but 655 00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:13,573 Speaker 2: it's been ongoing in private for quite some time. 656 00:36:14,453 --> 00:36:21,733 Speaker 6: Yeah, it has was. I don't quite know the absolute details. Yes, 657 00:36:21,773 --> 00:36:23,333 Speaker 6: I was asked, and I had to look at the 658 00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:25,653 Speaker 6: letter and those sort of things. 659 00:36:25,893 --> 00:36:29,173 Speaker 7: I just felt I needed to know a little bit 660 00:36:29,173 --> 00:36:31,973 Speaker 7: more about what the fourth option. 661 00:36:32,853 --> 00:36:35,253 Speaker 6: We knew the three options anyway, and we've talked about 662 00:36:35,253 --> 00:36:41,333 Speaker 6: one of them. The big bash before the fourth option 663 00:36:41,493 --> 00:36:44,693 Speaker 6: seemed to be just slightly secretive. I don't quite know 664 00:36:44,773 --> 00:36:49,773 Speaker 6: why that was. If it was a good option, put 665 00:36:49,813 --> 00:36:52,293 Speaker 6: it up with the other ones. There was a structure 666 00:36:52,333 --> 00:36:54,853 Speaker 6: there wasn't there. They were all going to be looked 667 00:36:54,893 --> 00:36:59,333 Speaker 6: at by Deloittes. Deloittes have looked at THEE hundred over 668 00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:02,373 Speaker 6: in England, and they've looked at the Essay twenty. They've 669 00:37:02,373 --> 00:37:06,453 Speaker 6: been involved in those, so that seemed sensible to ask them. 670 00:37:06,493 --> 00:37:10,933 Speaker 6: They might have got something from those ex experiences. But 671 00:37:11,253 --> 00:37:13,493 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I don't know why in New 672 00:37:13,573 --> 00:37:18,133 Speaker 6: Zealand we have We've got such a small cricket community 673 00:37:18,453 --> 00:37:24,133 Speaker 6: and it just seems personalities like to push forward and 674 00:37:24,253 --> 00:37:28,653 Speaker 6: take over. Look if the system throws up some choices 675 00:37:28,693 --> 00:37:33,013 Speaker 6: that not everybody likes, and you know, whether that's. 676 00:37:32,893 --> 00:37:35,573 Speaker 7: A person or whether it's the board or some parts 677 00:37:35,613 --> 00:37:35,893 Speaker 7: of this. 678 00:37:35,973 --> 00:37:39,093 Speaker 6: And that you've got to live with it until that 679 00:37:39,093 --> 00:37:42,293 Speaker 6: that period of thing is over, that players over and 680 00:37:42,733 --> 00:37:44,853 Speaker 6: you never make that mistake again. 681 00:37:45,413 --> 00:37:47,893 Speaker 7: That's my view of the of the way it should 682 00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:48,613 Speaker 7: be handled. 683 00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:55,413 Speaker 6: But we are currently going through personality clashes and I'm 684 00:37:55,453 --> 00:37:58,493 Speaker 6: not sure it helps the game. So I just felt 685 00:37:58,693 --> 00:38:00,733 Speaker 6: if it was good enough, the whole lot should have 686 00:38:00,733 --> 00:38:05,773 Speaker 6: been put forward, reviewed and examined so that it's the 687 00:38:05,773 --> 00:38:08,653 Speaker 6: best choice for the New Zealand players, the develop of 688 00:38:08,693 --> 00:38:12,093 Speaker 6: the up and comers, for the fans, for commercial reasons, 689 00:38:12,733 --> 00:38:14,733 Speaker 6: you know, in order for the game to thrive. 690 00:38:14,813 --> 00:38:15,053 Speaker 7: Here. 691 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:20,933 Speaker 6: Basically, I am a bit concerned that this is twenty twenty, right, 692 00:38:21,693 --> 00:38:28,573 Speaker 6: this is one of three formats, and I just what 693 00:38:28,613 --> 00:38:31,493 Speaker 6: I don't want to see the option chosen that it 694 00:38:31,573 --> 00:38:34,853 Speaker 6: prevents and already prune down playing of the test format 695 00:38:35,133 --> 00:38:36,173 Speaker 6: here in New Zealand. 696 00:38:36,613 --> 00:38:38,893 Speaker 7: I was lucky to play over fourteen. 697 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:42,933 Speaker 6: Years and we enjoyed the time playing the new format, 698 00:38:42,973 --> 00:38:45,133 Speaker 6: which was one day cricket, and we did it Nozzy 699 00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:48,733 Speaker 6: lots of times, day night matches, World Cups and so on, 700 00:38:49,413 --> 00:38:53,533 Speaker 6: tournaments and ods stunder down under all that sort of stuff. 701 00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:58,093 Speaker 6: And look, since the arrival of twenty twenty in private equity, 702 00:38:58,133 --> 00:38:59,053 Speaker 6: which is I mean that. 703 00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:02,133 Speaker 7: The tipping point has passed. 704 00:39:02,133 --> 00:39:05,293 Speaker 6: It's behind us now the players are being made wealthy. 705 00:39:05,613 --> 00:39:09,413 Speaker 6: Good on them, that's good timing by them. But pests 706 00:39:10,573 --> 00:39:15,293 Speaker 6: is my format of choice, and any option they choose, 707 00:39:16,413 --> 00:39:20,453 Speaker 6: if that reduces the chances and prevents us playing test matches, 708 00:39:21,293 --> 00:39:23,733 Speaker 6: I am emphatically saying no way from me. 709 00:39:24,293 --> 00:39:27,373 Speaker 7: But that doesn't matter. I don't matter. 710 00:39:28,293 --> 00:39:30,573 Speaker 6: But that's how I feel about the choice that they 711 00:39:30,573 --> 00:39:31,293 Speaker 6: are confronting. 712 00:39:31,813 --> 00:39:38,173 Speaker 3: I think that any option that has the ability to 713 00:39:38,213 --> 00:39:44,093 Speaker 3: bring capital into the New Zealand game, and this is 714 00:39:44,213 --> 00:39:49,693 Speaker 3: how it's being somewhat promoted, is a good thing because 715 00:39:50,213 --> 00:39:56,573 Speaker 3: capital is the thing that drives commerce, sport, and there 716 00:39:56,613 --> 00:40:00,693 Speaker 3: is capital sloshing around the world looking for places. Although 717 00:40:00,733 --> 00:40:03,173 Speaker 3: I do think that perhaps we're a little bit late 718 00:40:03,173 --> 00:40:06,973 Speaker 3: to the party, that's it. It does appear to be 719 00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:13,613 Speaker 3: this whole approach of the T twenty group will consortium, 720 00:40:13,693 --> 00:40:17,453 Speaker 3: if you can call it, that seems to be. There 721 00:40:17,493 --> 00:40:21,053 Speaker 3: are conflicts all over the place. I think the president 722 00:40:21,373 --> 00:40:24,413 Speaker 3: or whatever of Wellington Cricket seems to be involved. Now 723 00:40:24,453 --> 00:40:27,373 Speaker 3: I don't know how that plays. We've got board members 724 00:40:27,453 --> 00:40:32,453 Speaker 3: from the president. 725 00:40:30,693 --> 00:40:33,693 Speaker 7: Knew that was going to come. That's Mordling you're talking 726 00:40:33,693 --> 00:40:38,133 Speaker 7: about right now. Brilliant charge and keep charging. 727 00:40:38,653 --> 00:40:41,453 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean so I think, I mean the chairman. 728 00:40:42,653 --> 00:40:45,053 Speaker 3: I mean that that puts a big question mark for me. 729 00:40:46,053 --> 00:40:46,773 Speaker 3: How does that play? 730 00:40:46,813 --> 00:40:47,133 Speaker 9: Aren't you? 731 00:40:47,373 --> 00:40:50,213 Speaker 3: Is there a conflict in this somewhere? And and we've 732 00:40:50,213 --> 00:40:56,333 Speaker 3: got the CEO of the Players Association? Okay, fair enough? 733 00:40:57,653 --> 00:41:00,453 Speaker 3: What's going on here? What I struggle with and I 734 00:41:00,493 --> 00:41:03,733 Speaker 3: agree with you, Jerry, If this is going to affect 735 00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:08,293 Speaker 3: our ability to play test matches in places like Australia next, 736 00:41:09,373 --> 00:41:12,213 Speaker 3: then this has to be an emphatic no. What I 737 00:41:12,253 --> 00:41:14,133 Speaker 3: always like to look at here and these sorts of 738 00:41:14,133 --> 00:41:18,413 Speaker 3: things we're light on detailers to one, how is it funded? 739 00:41:18,573 --> 00:41:22,333 Speaker 3: Who's funding it? And where does the money go? And 740 00:41:22,893 --> 00:41:25,733 Speaker 3: always follow the money? Is the trick here? 741 00:41:26,213 --> 00:41:26,373 Speaker 9: Now? 742 00:41:26,453 --> 00:41:29,093 Speaker 3: My impression would be is there are certain people there 743 00:41:30,373 --> 00:41:36,373 Speaker 3: who perhaps self interest might be a strong, strong, strong play. 744 00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:38,933 Speaker 3: I'm not accusing anyone of anything, you know, and if 745 00:41:38,973 --> 00:41:41,933 Speaker 3: you can earn good dash out of a US setting 746 00:41:41,973 --> 00:41:45,733 Speaker 3: up a program, then all power to you. But there's 747 00:41:45,813 --> 00:41:48,373 Speaker 3: no transparency here. We don't have any vision on this, 748 00:41:49,053 --> 00:41:53,773 Speaker 3: and so therefore, what is the motivation of all this, however, 749 00:41:54,413 --> 00:41:58,773 Speaker 3: I think set us quo, Big Bash, T twenty and 750 00:41:58,813 --> 00:42:02,173 Speaker 3: whatever else is there, it's appropriate for Indie Zealand Cricket 751 00:42:02,733 --> 00:42:06,133 Speaker 3: to consider these, but there needs to be some more 752 00:42:06,173 --> 00:42:09,773 Speaker 3: detail and I love to flush out kind of how's 753 00:42:09,813 --> 00:42:12,613 Speaker 3: it going to actually operate and how's it going to 754 00:42:12,653 --> 00:42:15,893 Speaker 3: make money? Given the fact that you know, where are 755 00:42:15,893 --> 00:42:17,533 Speaker 3: we going to be playing it with the with the 756 00:42:17,693 --> 00:42:23,653 Speaker 3: so and so Mumbai mumby Wellington Thunder, playing whoever with 757 00:42:23,773 --> 00:42:26,653 Speaker 3: about fifty people on some random ground. 758 00:42:26,693 --> 00:42:27,253 Speaker 9: I don't know. 759 00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:30,253 Speaker 6: Yeah, well those are key questions I think for me, 760 00:42:30,333 --> 00:42:31,493 Speaker 6: where do you play the games? 761 00:42:32,053 --> 00:42:34,853 Speaker 7: Who's going to go and watch? Where's the money coming from? 762 00:42:34,973 --> 00:42:38,133 Speaker 6: Because they've actually the GMR group have pulled out, so 763 00:42:39,213 --> 00:42:42,933 Speaker 6: they now are looking for cash from some other source. Obviously, 764 00:42:43,653 --> 00:42:46,613 Speaker 6: I look, let's just wait and see what happens. It's 765 00:42:46,653 --> 00:42:49,133 Speaker 6: a little bit early for us to make our minds 766 00:42:49,213 --> 00:42:50,733 Speaker 6: up until we know the detail. 767 00:42:51,133 --> 00:42:54,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's something that we need to 768 00:42:54,613 --> 00:42:57,813 Speaker 2: know and get some information about, and I'm sure more 769 00:42:57,813 --> 00:43:01,813 Speaker 2: of that will be forthcoming. A chance to talk about 770 00:43:01,813 --> 00:43:04,533 Speaker 2: things like that at the test match at the base 771 00:43:04,613 --> 00:43:05,573 Speaker 2: Reserve your gang. 772 00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:11,533 Speaker 10: Mosey, I yes, I am I have an invitation to 773 00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:15,213 Speaker 10: a little of bit there, being a well and truly 774 00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:16,333 Speaker 10: passed an over a player. 775 00:43:17,213 --> 00:43:19,533 Speaker 7: Are you going to be a floppy Are you going 776 00:43:19,573 --> 00:43:20,533 Speaker 7: to wear your floppy hat? 777 00:43:20,613 --> 00:43:23,173 Speaker 3: Most no floppy hat, but stripey blazer. 778 00:43:23,453 --> 00:43:26,333 Speaker 7: I'm going okay, good man, I'm going here. Well, Wads, 779 00:43:26,373 --> 00:43:28,293 Speaker 7: you'll be in your stripe blazer too, won't you. 780 00:43:28,733 --> 00:43:31,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you'll be dressed up like a radio commentary, 781 00:43:31,613 --> 00:43:31,933 Speaker 2: won't you. 782 00:43:32,453 --> 00:43:36,173 Speaker 7: Oh well, that's jeans jeans. Yeah, that's. 783 00:43:37,773 --> 00:43:40,093 Speaker 6: Just had a ripped T shirt from being down you know, 784 00:43:40,173 --> 00:43:42,453 Speaker 6: down there at Courtney Place right throughout the night. 785 00:43:43,093 --> 00:43:44,653 Speaker 7: You know what Courtney Place. 786 00:43:44,853 --> 00:43:47,373 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that's a place to go, Jerry. 787 00:43:47,373 --> 00:43:50,013 Speaker 2: I was there. I was there on the weekend, and 788 00:43:50,053 --> 00:43:53,773 Speaker 2: it's not you there. Yeah, it's yeah. I was well, 789 00:43:54,093 --> 00:43:56,333 Speaker 2: I was. I was out of a birthday party and 790 00:43:56,733 --> 00:44:00,613 Speaker 2: it was held in a hotel not far from the 791 00:44:00,613 --> 00:44:03,213 Speaker 2: Courtney Place area. And I've got to say it's not 792 00:44:03,253 --> 00:44:06,253 Speaker 2: the most salubrious part of town these days. I mean, 793 00:44:06,813 --> 00:44:08,973 Speaker 2: I didn't see Moose down there, but I mean he's 794 00:44:09,013 --> 00:44:12,493 Speaker 2: probably gone more up market in his aging years. 795 00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:16,053 Speaker 3: Oh look, no question about that. No, you won't catch 796 00:44:16,093 --> 00:44:18,693 Speaker 3: me down that place there. I think I know the establisher. 797 00:44:18,773 --> 00:44:21,493 Speaker 3: You may well have been an excellent deb but for 798 00:44:21,533 --> 00:44:23,813 Speaker 3: a moment there I just thought you were an older 799 00:44:23,853 --> 00:44:26,333 Speaker 3: person lost Brian, but that was not the case. 800 00:44:26,693 --> 00:44:27,133 Speaker 2: Well I am. 801 00:44:27,173 --> 00:44:28,453 Speaker 7: I think you're both in trouble. 802 00:44:28,733 --> 00:44:32,173 Speaker 6: Frankly, I think to see you two down there at 803 00:44:32,373 --> 00:44:36,213 Speaker 6: Courtney Place. Anything after three point thirty in the afternoon, 804 00:44:36,253 --> 00:44:36,973 Speaker 6: you're gone. 805 00:44:37,213 --> 00:44:38,293 Speaker 7: You are gone. 806 00:44:41,053 --> 00:44:43,173 Speaker 2: We need some good test cricket to see us through 807 00:44:43,173 --> 00:44:45,133 Speaker 2: so that we don't have to spend time down in 808 00:44:45,173 --> 00:44:49,013 Speaker 2: the Courtney Place. So nice to have had you guys along. 809 00:44:49,133 --> 00:44:52,093 Speaker 2: We can reminis about Courtney Place over this Test match 810 00:44:52,213 --> 00:44:54,613 Speaker 2: and a cup of coffee here, there and everywhere, and 811 00:44:55,173 --> 00:44:59,013 Speaker 2: enjoy test cricket at its finest. We hope. Thank you 812 00:44:59,053 --> 00:45:00,213 Speaker 2: guys at. 813 00:45:00,053 --> 00:45:02,413 Speaker 3: The finest cricket ground in New Zealand, if you don't mind, 814 00:45:02,453 --> 00:45:04,853 Speaker 3: and I look forward to your erudite comments. 815 00:45:04,973 --> 00:45:08,733 Speaker 6: Jerry, Yeah, I'll bring my tuba lie with. 816 00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:12,093 Speaker 2: Good stuff. Thanks you guys, to see. 817 00:45:11,973 --> 00:45:22,693 Speaker 1: You all the wonderful summary do do. 818 00:45:24,013 --> 00:45:26,613 Speaker 5: For more from News Talks it B listen live on 819 00:45:26,733 --> 00:45:27,693 Speaker 5: air or online 820 00:45:27,893 --> 00:45:30,253 Speaker 1: And keep our shows with you wherever you go with 821 00:45:30,373 --> 00:45:32,333 Speaker 1: our podcasts on iHeartRadio