1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news Talk zed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcast now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,733 --> 00:00:19,293 Speaker 2: Mark Video is a world renowned animal behavior a dog 4 00:00:19,332 --> 00:00:21,813 Speaker 2: trainer and educator who has been working with animals for 5 00:00:21,853 --> 00:00:25,132 Speaker 2: over forty years. He's a trained animal psychologist and created 6 00:00:25,133 --> 00:00:28,173 Speaker 2: the Dogs In online training program. He's about to launch 7 00:00:28,293 --> 00:00:31,253 Speaker 2: Katz and Katzen rather and he joins us once a 8 00:00:31,253 --> 00:00:34,293 Speaker 2: month on Ask the Experting. He's back with us, Matt Mark, 9 00:00:34,813 --> 00:00:38,533 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, How are you very very good? 10 00:00:38,813 --> 00:00:40,493 Speaker 3: Let's jump straight into it. 11 00:00:40,653 --> 00:00:41,812 Speaker 4: Yes, let's do it. 12 00:00:42,573 --> 00:00:43,373 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. 13 00:00:44,333 --> 00:00:48,412 Speaker 5: Hello, Hi Jess, Hey, our question. 14 00:00:48,613 --> 00:00:50,812 Speaker 6: So, I've got a covertal who's a year and a 15 00:00:50,853 --> 00:00:55,173 Speaker 6: half old, who's a six and a half klo guy, 16 00:00:55,493 --> 00:00:59,213 Speaker 6: and we have just acquired a bagel who's two years old, 17 00:01:00,093 --> 00:01:04,173 Speaker 6: a very relaxed beagle, and the covertial hates them and 18 00:01:04,253 --> 00:01:07,213 Speaker 6: keeps like cruising around trying to fite beagles. 19 00:01:07,253 --> 00:01:07,893 Speaker 7: Years. 20 00:01:08,533 --> 00:01:11,213 Speaker 8: I thought it would be how old how old is 21 00:01:11,253 --> 00:01:16,572 Speaker 8: the beagle? And and he is the. 22 00:01:16,693 --> 00:01:20,172 Speaker 6: Both male and h The bagel is two years old 23 00:01:20,373 --> 00:01:24,173 Speaker 6: and he is fourteen. So he's the bigger of the truth. 24 00:01:25,053 --> 00:01:28,213 Speaker 8: Right, And are either them entire or the desex. 25 00:01:30,453 --> 00:01:33,732 Speaker 6: The beagle is desex the little caboodle event as. 26 00:01:33,693 --> 00:01:38,333 Speaker 8: Yet right right, okay, yeah, and you're saying the kaboodle 27 00:01:38,413 --> 00:01:41,933 Speaker 8: is having a crack at the at the beagle. He 28 00:01:42,133 --> 00:01:43,292 Speaker 8: is being. 29 00:01:43,212 --> 00:01:45,853 Speaker 4: Aggressive of the beagle and a lot of humping. 30 00:01:45,932 --> 00:01:49,253 Speaker 8: Ye, so yeah, I mean, the good news is it's 31 00:01:49,293 --> 00:01:51,253 Speaker 8: a relative civilians if you're happy to do it, and 32 00:01:51,333 --> 00:01:55,133 Speaker 8: that's d sex in the cavidle. One of the problems 33 00:01:55,173 --> 00:01:58,253 Speaker 8: with an entire male with another dog generally, and particularly 34 00:01:58,293 --> 00:02:00,693 Speaker 8: a D six male, he'll treat it more like a 35 00:02:00,733 --> 00:02:04,253 Speaker 8: female as you can see he's doing. And so it 36 00:02:04,253 --> 00:02:07,373 Speaker 8: doesn't mean that males don't mount females and vice versa. 37 00:02:07,653 --> 00:02:10,852 Speaker 8: But when you've got an entire mail, almost definitely, it'll 38 00:02:10,893 --> 00:02:14,653 Speaker 8: be the the androgens, you know, particularly testosterone that's stimulating 39 00:02:14,693 --> 00:02:19,573 Speaker 8: the behavior. And the simple answer is to if you're 40 00:02:19,613 --> 00:02:21,773 Speaker 8: happy to do that, is to get him d sext. 41 00:02:22,093 --> 00:02:23,773 Speaker 8: So if you're new to him, you will find that 42 00:02:24,133 --> 00:02:27,613 Speaker 8: his mounting behavior will fall away quite quickly, normally in 43 00:02:27,613 --> 00:02:31,493 Speaker 8: about a month. And what you've got to be careful 44 00:02:31,493 --> 00:02:34,373 Speaker 8: of is that the hump of the mounting behavior can 45 00:02:34,413 --> 00:02:37,453 Speaker 8: be perceived as a dominance threat as well, you know, because 46 00:02:37,413 --> 00:02:41,453 Speaker 8: that's what dominant dogs do also to subordinates at times, 47 00:02:41,493 --> 00:02:43,692 Speaker 8: you know, so that can be read that way. And 48 00:02:43,733 --> 00:02:46,532 Speaker 8: therefore the bigger dog, the beagle, may decide that he's 49 00:02:46,573 --> 00:02:49,613 Speaker 8: going to sort the cavoodle out and you know, andy 50 00:02:49,693 --> 00:02:51,572 Speaker 8: end up in a fight. That sounds good that he's 51 00:02:51,933 --> 00:02:54,413 Speaker 8: laid back degal So that's going to good use. And 52 00:02:54,453 --> 00:02:58,693 Speaker 8: that's partly because of de sext but because of twice 53 00:02:58,733 --> 00:03:02,013 Speaker 8: his size, you'll, you know, there's the risk that you know, 54 00:03:02,053 --> 00:03:06,333 Speaker 8: the beg will counter respond to theodle. So d sexing 55 00:03:06,453 --> 00:03:09,213 Speaker 8: is a simple answer you can do, and some behavioral 56 00:03:09,252 --> 00:03:13,452 Speaker 8: techniques that can help and so and we can talk 57 00:03:13,493 --> 00:03:15,973 Speaker 8: more about that, but it's a little more complex to 58 00:03:16,053 --> 00:03:19,692 Speaker 8: describe it. Basically, we use the effective meat and greet. 59 00:03:19,493 --> 00:03:21,532 Speaker 4: Technique every time they come together for a while. 60 00:03:22,013 --> 00:03:24,973 Speaker 8: So that's something that you should be doing in the meantime. 61 00:03:25,293 --> 00:03:26,933 Speaker 8: And the best way to do this is with a clicker. 62 00:03:27,293 --> 00:03:31,693 Speaker 2: And yes, right, all right, all the best jeers, Thank 63 00:03:31,733 --> 00:03:32,293 Speaker 2: you very much. 64 00:03:33,333 --> 00:03:35,653 Speaker 3: Julia. You've got a hunt away a five year old 65 00:03:35,693 --> 00:03:37,493 Speaker 3: that hates motorbikes and planes. 66 00:03:38,733 --> 00:03:41,253 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, she's my grand dog and I get to 67 00:03:41,253 --> 00:03:44,933 Speaker 5: look after her quite a lot. She doesn't actually hate them, 68 00:03:44,973 --> 00:03:47,693 Speaker 5: but she just she just barks as tons of ways. 69 00:03:47,773 --> 00:03:51,853 Speaker 5: Do more at the sound of them. Definitely, if she 70 00:03:51,893 --> 00:03:54,613 Speaker 5: sees the post ego past on the on a motorbike, 71 00:03:54,653 --> 00:03:56,973 Speaker 5: she'll bark and as soon as the motorbikes turned off 72 00:03:57,013 --> 00:03:58,653 Speaker 5: she'll stop, so she's not aggressive. 73 00:04:00,013 --> 00:04:01,613 Speaker 4: I guess that's quite common. 74 00:04:02,933 --> 00:04:05,213 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's quite common stuff for a hunderway. 75 00:04:05,413 --> 00:04:06,133 Speaker 4: Yeah. 76 00:04:06,213 --> 00:04:06,453 Speaker 9: Yeah. 77 00:04:06,653 --> 00:04:08,653 Speaker 5: What's the best thing to do when it has happens 78 00:04:08,653 --> 00:04:12,413 Speaker 5: when you're out walking? That's one question? Can you do 79 00:04:12,493 --> 00:04:15,293 Speaker 5: anything about it long term and makes you grow out 80 00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:15,573 Speaker 5: of it? 81 00:04:16,693 --> 00:04:18,533 Speaker 8: Yeah, she probably won't go out of it, so it's 82 00:04:18,573 --> 00:04:21,613 Speaker 8: better the trainer out of it. And it is very trainable. 83 00:04:21,853 --> 00:04:25,853 Speaker 8: So normally what I do is part of it that 84 00:04:25,893 --> 00:04:28,253 Speaker 8: there's to two batson. One of I teach the hunter 85 00:04:28,373 --> 00:04:31,013 Speaker 8: way to a quiet command, you know, so that and 86 00:04:31,053 --> 00:04:34,013 Speaker 8: I use the clicker for that. So you set it 87 00:04:34,093 --> 00:04:36,533 Speaker 8: up in a situation normally on a little short lead 88 00:04:36,733 --> 00:04:38,893 Speaker 8: while I'm training, and then I get it to bark 89 00:04:39,053 --> 00:04:41,973 Speaker 8: and then teach it to be quiet. As soon as 90 00:04:41,973 --> 00:04:44,333 Speaker 8: it's quiet for three to five seconds, I click and 91 00:04:44,413 --> 00:04:47,093 Speaker 8: reward and then I extend that out to learn is 92 00:04:47,093 --> 00:04:50,653 Speaker 8: what quiet means. So that's the first technique that I 93 00:04:50,773 --> 00:04:52,893 Speaker 8: use that I teach the hundway to be quiet, which 94 00:04:52,933 --> 00:04:55,413 Speaker 8: is pretty important because hunter ways are barking dogs. 95 00:04:55,413 --> 00:04:57,173 Speaker 4: That's what they do for a job, you know. 96 00:04:57,293 --> 00:05:00,493 Speaker 8: So when they see a motorbike, when they're hyper around 97 00:05:00,613 --> 00:05:04,053 Speaker 8: by something moving fast, like a motorbike or a plane, 98 00:05:04,453 --> 00:05:06,813 Speaker 8: think about what they bark at. They bark at sheep 99 00:05:06,853 --> 00:05:09,573 Speaker 8: and cattle that are moving, and they try and make 100 00:05:09,613 --> 00:05:15,653 Speaker 8: them move. So that's anything that moves stimulates their hurting behavior. 101 00:05:16,013 --> 00:05:20,053 Speaker 8: And so how orients them to the stimulus motorbike noise, 102 00:05:20,253 --> 00:05:22,373 Speaker 8: pain noise, they'll look at it and then they'll bark 103 00:05:22,413 --> 00:05:25,333 Speaker 8: at it. So normally I teach them I get some 104 00:05:25,373 --> 00:05:28,933 Speaker 8: audio tapes of those sounds, and then I am using 105 00:05:28,933 --> 00:05:33,133 Speaker 8: a desensitization technique and a clicker. I work and teach 106 00:05:33,213 --> 00:05:36,853 Speaker 8: them to accept those sounds without vocalizing, and I use 107 00:05:36,893 --> 00:05:39,293 Speaker 8: my quiet command when I'm doing that. Once I've done 108 00:05:39,333 --> 00:05:42,653 Speaker 8: that in a training context that takes probably a week 109 00:05:42,733 --> 00:05:44,933 Speaker 8: or two, then I'll start to extend it out in 110 00:05:45,093 --> 00:05:47,533 Speaker 8: real situations. And I normally get a mate with a 111 00:05:47,573 --> 00:05:49,573 Speaker 8: motorbike and just do a bit of work around home, 112 00:05:49,973 --> 00:05:52,333 Speaker 8: and then I slowly build that up and then I'll 113 00:05:52,333 --> 00:05:54,573 Speaker 8: go to something like can Airport and do some plane work. 114 00:05:54,933 --> 00:05:57,293 Speaker 8: But yeah, you can train it out of them. And 115 00:05:57,333 --> 00:06:00,573 Speaker 8: that's underways are really smart. So get them on a 116 00:06:00,573 --> 00:06:02,133 Speaker 8: clicker and you watch how quickie they learn. 117 00:06:02,213 --> 00:06:04,013 Speaker 4: They love food, very vocal dogs. 118 00:06:04,093 --> 00:06:05,733 Speaker 2: Underways all the best, Julia. 119 00:06:05,653 --> 00:06:06,093 Speaker 1: Tell you what. 120 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:08,573 Speaker 3: The weirdest thing that I've seen is ist. I'll go 121 00:06:08,653 --> 00:06:12,453 Speaker 3: no called Benny who lives in topor great name, great dog. Yes, 122 00:06:12,693 --> 00:06:16,853 Speaker 3: human eyes, but he only think he barks out as parasailors, 123 00:06:16,853 --> 00:06:18,533 Speaker 3: you know, out the back of the boats. Yeah, it's 124 00:06:18,573 --> 00:06:21,253 Speaker 3: so bizarre. He just sees them and they seem so 125 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:23,933 Speaker 3: far away that nothing else but he sees these parasailors 126 00:06:23,973 --> 00:06:25,853 Speaker 3: and they just make them so angry. 127 00:06:25,853 --> 00:06:30,573 Speaker 8: It's bizarre parasale acause the bloody unusual things. 128 00:06:36,493 --> 00:06:39,853 Speaker 2: Right, thank you very much, and teach them to yeah, perfect, right. 129 00:06:39,973 --> 00:06:40,133 Speaker 8: Mark. 130 00:06:40,173 --> 00:06:43,093 Speaker 2: We've got a couple of text questions here. This one 131 00:06:43,253 --> 00:06:46,373 Speaker 2: says my husband and I have recently bought a new 132 00:06:46,453 --> 00:06:48,333 Speaker 2: puppy and we have had him for two weeks now. 133 00:06:48,533 --> 00:06:50,653 Speaker 2: He is six months old from a breeder. Unfortunately, he 134 00:06:50,693 --> 00:06:53,213 Speaker 2: barks at my husband whenever he enters the room, and 135 00:06:53,253 --> 00:06:54,973 Speaker 2: we are not sure what to do about it. 136 00:06:54,973 --> 00:06:55,933 Speaker 7: It's driving us mad. 137 00:06:57,093 --> 00:07:00,973 Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, So first first thing to understand, you should 138 00:07:01,013 --> 00:07:03,293 Speaker 8: get you puppy eight weeks. When when a breeder gives 139 00:07:03,333 --> 00:07:06,253 Speaker 8: you a puppy at six months old, then it means 140 00:07:06,293 --> 00:07:10,213 Speaker 8: it's had been kept to seference breeding potential, and then 141 00:07:10,253 --> 00:07:13,293 Speaker 8: they kept it to six months in the breeding context, 142 00:07:13,293 --> 00:07:15,813 Speaker 8: which isn't normally very good. It's normally you know, it's 143 00:07:15,813 --> 00:07:18,973 Speaker 8: normally a ken old situation, or they're not getting enough 144 00:07:18,973 --> 00:07:21,813 Speaker 8: exposure to people and other dogs. You always like to 145 00:07:21,853 --> 00:07:24,413 Speaker 8: get the puppy at two months, that's always the best. 146 00:07:24,613 --> 00:07:28,013 Speaker 8: So realizing that you've missed the formative period of socialization 147 00:07:28,533 --> 00:07:30,853 Speaker 8: for him, which is two to four months, and so 148 00:07:30,973 --> 00:07:33,533 Speaker 8: now he's six months, he's a teenager and he hasn't 149 00:07:33,573 --> 00:07:37,613 Speaker 8: probably been socialized well enough. That's my anticipation based on 150 00:07:37,693 --> 00:07:41,253 Speaker 8: lots of having seen many many dogs. So normally you're 151 00:07:41,333 --> 00:07:43,973 Speaker 8: now going to teach them a meet and greet technique 152 00:07:44,013 --> 00:07:47,173 Speaker 8: for people. And the first thing I'd do with the 153 00:07:47,213 --> 00:07:49,733 Speaker 8: male owner is that I'd get him on to the 154 00:07:49,733 --> 00:07:52,533 Speaker 8: clicker with the dog and get him working doing what 155 00:07:52,533 --> 00:07:55,413 Speaker 8: it called joining up. It's a simple little technique with 156 00:07:55,493 --> 00:07:58,333 Speaker 8: a clicker, the dog larrent to him quite quickly. You 157 00:07:58,453 --> 00:08:00,493 Speaker 8: need to start the dog on the clicker so he 158 00:08:00,493 --> 00:08:04,413 Speaker 8: gets responsive and understand what it does. And then within 159 00:08:04,453 --> 00:08:06,373 Speaker 8: two or three days you should better transfer that to 160 00:08:06,413 --> 00:08:10,213 Speaker 8: your husband with your partner, and in that context, he 161 00:08:10,293 --> 00:08:13,813 Speaker 8: needs to take control of the resources, particularly feeding and 162 00:08:13,933 --> 00:08:17,453 Speaker 8: the clicker training, and you'll see the dog very quickly 163 00:08:17,493 --> 00:08:22,213 Speaker 8: start to reorient to him as well, and maybe even dominantly. 164 00:08:22,533 --> 00:08:25,693 Speaker 8: But one way or another, you've now got the relationship built, 165 00:08:25,893 --> 00:08:28,853 Speaker 8: and then you need to extend that socialization to other people. 166 00:08:29,093 --> 00:08:31,733 Speaker 8: I would anticipate that that dog would be a bit 167 00:08:31,773 --> 00:08:35,173 Speaker 8: anxious about meeting any males. If if he's anxious about 168 00:08:35,173 --> 00:08:36,293 Speaker 8: one that he's already got to. 169 00:08:36,253 --> 00:08:37,933 Speaker 4: Know very good trying to get to know. 170 00:08:38,093 --> 00:08:40,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, right, if you've got a question for Mark, 171 00:08:40,372 --> 00:08:42,372 Speaker 2: now is your opportunity. Oh, eight hundred and eighteen eighty, 172 00:08:42,453 --> 00:08:43,893 Speaker 2: that's right, one hundred eighteen eighty. 173 00:08:43,933 --> 00:08:45,693 Speaker 3: Doesn't need to be a dog, could be a rhino, 174 00:08:46,132 --> 00:08:49,693 Speaker 3: could be a giraffe, donkey, donkey, absolutely, lama. 175 00:08:49,813 --> 00:08:52,372 Speaker 2: We love lama questions. We had a few lama questions, 176 00:08:52,973 --> 00:08:53,893 Speaker 2: So get on the phone. 177 00:08:54,093 --> 00:08:56,453 Speaker 3: Frog, Yeah, whatever, how are. 178 00:08:56,293 --> 00:08:57,013 Speaker 1: You with lizards? 179 00:08:57,093 --> 00:08:59,493 Speaker 4: Doctor bos Pooky go Yeah, lizards are good. 180 00:08:59,573 --> 00:09:02,053 Speaker 2: Okay, right, let's get into it. Oh eight one hundred 181 00:09:02,093 --> 00:09:02,453 Speaker 2: eighty ten. 182 00:09:02,453 --> 00:09:06,492 Speaker 3: Eighty a giant shirpede and kraken, whatever you got. 183 00:09:06,492 --> 00:09:09,053 Speaker 2: Afternoon, and we are joined by Mark Vitz he Willed 184 00:09:09,093 --> 00:09:12,812 Speaker 2: renowned animal behavior. So he is taking your questions. 185 00:09:13,453 --> 00:09:16,693 Speaker 3: Hey, so this particular dog, Bennie's a kvoodle and so 186 00:09:16,773 --> 00:09:19,053 Speaker 3: I just bought it up. And then the mum of 187 00:09:19,093 --> 00:09:23,012 Speaker 3: Benny the Fantastic Rosies text in and she said, what 188 00:09:23,053 --> 00:09:25,893 Speaker 3: can we do about Bennie barking at the parasailors? 189 00:09:27,413 --> 00:09:28,292 Speaker 4: Oh? What can we do? 190 00:09:28,892 --> 00:09:31,693 Speaker 8: Exactly what I was talking about for the prior person, 191 00:09:31,773 --> 00:09:34,772 Speaker 8: you know, So that and that was teaching a quiet 192 00:09:34,773 --> 00:09:36,693 Speaker 8: command with a clicker. 193 00:09:36,732 --> 00:09:39,213 Speaker 4: And then we work then. And so you do that 194 00:09:39,252 --> 00:09:39,613 Speaker 4: at home. 195 00:09:40,252 --> 00:09:42,852 Speaker 8: If you can get some visuals or sounds of the parasailor, 196 00:09:43,173 --> 00:09:45,333 Speaker 8: that helps too while you're doing your training at home. 197 00:09:45,773 --> 00:09:49,093 Speaker 8: And then you take it go to sight and start 198 00:09:49,213 --> 00:09:51,932 Speaker 8: working him on a clip station with a clicker and 199 00:09:52,012 --> 00:09:54,573 Speaker 8: you're teaching him to quiet and click and reward him 200 00:09:55,132 --> 00:09:57,492 Speaker 8: as the parasailor starts getting up, and then while he's 201 00:09:57,573 --> 00:10:00,172 Speaker 8: up and then right through the routine and then comes 202 00:10:00,213 --> 00:10:02,852 Speaker 8: down and try and keep him quiet through the routine, 203 00:10:03,173 --> 00:10:03,973 Speaker 8: just using the clicker. 204 00:10:04,653 --> 00:10:08,813 Speaker 4: Has he got a strong food drug? Got what strong 205 00:10:08,933 --> 00:10:09,492 Speaker 4: food drive? 206 00:10:09,933 --> 00:10:14,532 Speaker 3: Food drive? He likes, he likes to eat, but he's 207 00:10:14,573 --> 00:10:15,173 Speaker 3: no labrador. 208 00:10:16,213 --> 00:10:20,052 Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, where you might need sausages then either way, 209 00:10:20,533 --> 00:10:23,052 Speaker 8: high value food award in the context. But once you've 210 00:10:23,093 --> 00:10:25,132 Speaker 8: done it at home and you've got the basics of 211 00:10:25,252 --> 00:10:29,893 Speaker 8: the quiet command working, then it translates to the new situation. 212 00:10:30,053 --> 00:10:31,852 Speaker 4: If you's going to do it systematically, oh. 213 00:10:31,813 --> 00:10:33,532 Speaker 3: There you go, highly corrupt with me. It is just 214 00:10:33,653 --> 00:10:38,133 Speaker 3: time for my own family's problems. Peter Wak on the show, 215 00:10:38,173 --> 00:10:40,492 Speaker 3: You've got a problem with ultrasound alarms? 216 00:10:41,732 --> 00:10:48,372 Speaker 7: Yeah, Mark, Hi, Mark. My neighbor has a caboodle and 217 00:10:49,573 --> 00:10:52,973 Speaker 7: it barks a lot. I don't think it's ever had 218 00:10:53,012 --> 00:10:56,053 Speaker 7: any training, runs around the back section, just barks all 219 00:10:56,093 --> 00:10:59,052 Speaker 7: the time. And I wanted to ask you whether these 220 00:10:59,372 --> 00:11:03,013 Speaker 7: ultrasound control boxes are of any use. 221 00:11:04,852 --> 00:11:05,093 Speaker 4: Yeah. 222 00:11:05,213 --> 00:11:07,732 Speaker 8: Well, I mean the people use them, you know, to 223 00:11:07,852 --> 00:11:12,453 Speaker 8: try and divert you know, a dog from barking, you know, 224 00:11:12,573 --> 00:11:15,892 Speaker 8: at them in that kind of context, and I'm not 225 00:11:16,053 --> 00:11:18,773 Speaker 8: quite you know. I mean they work at about twenty 226 00:11:18,852 --> 00:11:22,093 Speaker 8: to forty five thousand hertz, which is the high end 227 00:11:22,132 --> 00:11:24,973 Speaker 8: of the dog range and above our range, you know, 228 00:11:25,732 --> 00:11:26,252 Speaker 8: so they're. 229 00:11:26,093 --> 00:11:28,173 Speaker 4: Working at a higher level. But the dog can hear 230 00:11:28,213 --> 00:11:28,532 Speaker 4: it well. 231 00:11:29,413 --> 00:11:32,613 Speaker 8: But you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going 232 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:34,813 Speaker 8: to make it aversive, you know, just because it's in 233 00:11:34,892 --> 00:11:37,292 Speaker 8: their higher range. You know, that's the range of the 234 00:11:37,933 --> 00:11:40,333 Speaker 8: of the present the prey species that they aren't in 235 00:11:40,372 --> 00:11:43,132 Speaker 8: the wild, so like mice and rats and so on, 236 00:11:43,612 --> 00:11:46,213 Speaker 8: So they can hear it that range and that and 237 00:11:46,693 --> 00:11:48,453 Speaker 8: so it can have a verse in effects, and that's 238 00:11:48,492 --> 00:11:52,172 Speaker 8: what they're trying to do. And so I suspect what 239 00:11:52,252 --> 00:11:55,533 Speaker 8: you're suggesting as you use it to try and divert 240 00:11:55,612 --> 00:12:00,453 Speaker 8: the neighbor's dog from barking beside you. It's a possibility 241 00:12:00,492 --> 00:12:03,252 Speaker 8: that it will help a little bit, but really the 242 00:12:03,372 --> 00:12:06,732 Speaker 8: bottom line comes down to the owners doing the right 243 00:12:06,852 --> 00:12:09,693 Speaker 8: thing to train the dog. It's better to solve the 244 00:12:09,773 --> 00:12:12,132 Speaker 8: problem from the dogs owner's point of view. 245 00:12:12,453 --> 00:12:13,533 Speaker 4: So I'd go and have a chat to. 246 00:12:13,533 --> 00:12:16,813 Speaker 8: Them about it and and talk about the fact that 247 00:12:17,252 --> 00:12:20,893 Speaker 8: you know, there are ways of treating barking, but you're 248 00:12:20,892 --> 00:12:22,973 Speaker 8: probably not going to have much effect from that side. 249 00:12:23,612 --> 00:12:27,012 Speaker 8: I would suspect with an ultras on a dog. 250 00:12:26,892 --> 00:12:29,413 Speaker 3: Alarm thank you for cool Peter. It looks like dogs 251 00:12:29,453 --> 00:12:31,533 Speaker 3: are causing a lot more problems in the community than 252 00:12:31,573 --> 00:12:35,292 Speaker 3: octopi because just a whole heap of dogs. 253 00:12:36,053 --> 00:12:37,213 Speaker 2: People want to talk about dogs. 254 00:12:37,372 --> 00:12:39,292 Speaker 3: Nothing on squids, out of control squid. 255 00:12:39,492 --> 00:12:40,653 Speaker 8: No, but we did. 256 00:12:40,852 --> 00:12:41,293 Speaker 9: We did. 257 00:12:43,293 --> 00:12:47,292 Speaker 4: An octopus photographs, so did you. So that was a 258 00:12:47,533 --> 00:12:49,973 Speaker 4: very good world first, it was good. 259 00:12:50,053 --> 00:12:54,412 Speaker 8: Yeah, we're Kelly Tarlton's two families coming in and having 260 00:12:54,453 --> 00:12:57,333 Speaker 8: a photograph. It took me about two months to train 261 00:12:57,492 --> 00:13:01,733 Speaker 8: one and then unfortunately, females when they have their eggs, 262 00:13:01,892 --> 00:13:04,693 Speaker 8: die and it had the eggs three days before the shoot, 263 00:13:04,973 --> 00:13:08,053 Speaker 8: which was pretty unfortunate. Luckilly I had two others watching 264 00:13:08,612 --> 00:13:10,652 Speaker 8: and managed to bring one of them men and he 265 00:13:10,732 --> 00:13:12,093 Speaker 8: did the job beautifully. 266 00:13:11,892 --> 00:13:15,333 Speaker 3: Good composition, beautiful, beautiful. 267 00:13:15,453 --> 00:13:15,653 Speaker 4: Yeah. 268 00:13:16,933 --> 00:13:18,973 Speaker 3: One thing that blows my mind about octopus, And I 269 00:13:19,093 --> 00:13:23,093 Speaker 3: know we're off topic, octopi, octopuses, whatever, octopusy. The thing 270 00:13:23,293 --> 00:13:26,253 Speaker 3: is they're so smart, but they don't live very long. 271 00:13:27,612 --> 00:13:29,612 Speaker 3: That's right for a creature to be that intelligent. Well, 272 00:13:29,612 --> 00:13:31,853 Speaker 3: they only live three years max, don't they. 273 00:13:32,612 --> 00:13:34,932 Speaker 8: Yeah, well it depends on the species. But yeah, the 274 00:13:35,053 --> 00:13:38,772 Speaker 8: problem is when the female has her eggs, she dies 275 00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:43,012 Speaker 8: straight afterwards. So it's kind of a sad affair. And 276 00:13:43,132 --> 00:13:45,813 Speaker 8: I didn't really know that while I was training them, unfortunately, 277 00:13:45,852 --> 00:13:48,733 Speaker 8: which seems a bit silly as a zoologist. But yeah, 278 00:13:48,773 --> 00:13:51,733 Speaker 8: it never caught me out that we succeeded in saving 279 00:13:51,813 --> 00:13:54,333 Speaker 8: the day. It's very difficult though, to teach. 280 00:13:54,132 --> 00:13:55,973 Speaker 4: Her octopus to take a photographs. 281 00:13:56,732 --> 00:13:59,453 Speaker 8: They ate ten cameras before we even go to the 282 00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:00,172 Speaker 8: one that worked. 283 00:14:00,252 --> 00:14:01,853 Speaker 4: You know, we'll take your word for that, March. 284 00:14:02,053 --> 00:14:05,292 Speaker 8: Not many people get into that situation, which it's not 285 00:14:05,372 --> 00:14:06,373 Speaker 8: a common thing though. 286 00:14:06,492 --> 00:14:08,132 Speaker 3: Did you I mean, we're getting off topic here, but 287 00:14:08,333 --> 00:14:10,652 Speaker 3: how do you choose which particularly tendacle they're going to 288 00:14:10,813 --> 00:14:13,813 Speaker 3: use to press the button with the Yeah. 289 00:14:13,732 --> 00:14:17,093 Speaker 8: Well they get to choose, right, and because one each 290 00:14:17,293 --> 00:14:20,453 Speaker 8: each tentacle's got a brain, because they've got nine brains, 291 00:14:21,493 --> 00:14:26,093 Speaker 8: and so you're actually talking to particular brains. And it's 292 00:14:26,133 --> 00:14:29,373 Speaker 8: interesting they do use the same foot and and they 293 00:14:30,373 --> 00:14:33,653 Speaker 8: change certain colors depending on how you're going. You know, 294 00:14:33,893 --> 00:14:36,172 Speaker 8: if you really pissed them off, they go red, you know, 295 00:14:36,413 --> 00:14:39,413 Speaker 8: and and then you know, and then they'll normally send 296 00:14:39,453 --> 00:14:40,813 Speaker 8: them squirt of water straight at you. 297 00:14:41,573 --> 00:14:44,932 Speaker 3: Quite and so they're fun to work with humans and 298 00:14:44,973 --> 00:14:47,133 Speaker 3: then bite you that's going to say, it's like working 299 00:14:47,173 --> 00:14:51,733 Speaker 3: with Tyler. If he gets angry, he goes redy gets 300 00:14:51,773 --> 00:14:52,853 Speaker 3: really angry. He squirts me. 301 00:14:54,693 --> 00:14:57,853 Speaker 2: Quick quick question here about donkeys, says Hi, we've recently 302 00:14:57,853 --> 00:15:00,493 Speaker 2: adopted a donkey. Lovely nature for most of the family. However, 303 00:15:00,573 --> 00:15:02,373 Speaker 2: when it comes to our ten year old daughter, the 304 00:15:02,453 --> 00:15:05,412 Speaker 2: donkey will chase her and head butt her at every chance. 305 00:15:05,973 --> 00:15:07,973 Speaker 2: Only only does it to her, and now she is 306 00:15:08,053 --> 00:15:09,973 Speaker 2: tear fight. Have said, donkey, why is this and what 307 00:15:10,053 --> 00:15:10,373 Speaker 2: can we do? 308 00:15:11,613 --> 00:15:15,493 Speaker 8: Yeah, so it will be to with you know, how 309 00:15:15,693 --> 00:15:19,333 Speaker 8: how did the donkey grow up with that with that family? Uh? 310 00:15:19,813 --> 00:15:21,333 Speaker 2: No, they said they've recently not. 311 00:15:21,733 --> 00:15:22,653 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right. 312 00:15:22,973 --> 00:15:26,093 Speaker 8: So you know, normally with donkeys, you know, they're quite 313 00:15:26,093 --> 00:15:28,133 Speaker 8: an individual and you do need to be experienced with 314 00:15:28,173 --> 00:15:30,813 Speaker 8: a donkey. They can they can kick out, and they 315 00:15:30,853 --> 00:15:33,853 Speaker 8: can be quite aggressive. So don't underestimate a donkey, even 316 00:15:33,853 --> 00:15:37,013 Speaker 8: though they look small, don't. They use donkeys to control 317 00:15:37,133 --> 00:15:39,813 Speaker 8: bull herds, So they'll put a male donkey in with 318 00:15:39,893 --> 00:15:42,333 Speaker 8: a bull herd and it won't know one much with 319 00:15:42,413 --> 00:15:46,373 Speaker 8: the donkey, and the donkey sorts out any fighting. So yeah, 320 00:15:46,413 --> 00:15:50,133 Speaker 8: they can shoot way above their weight range and they'll 321 00:15:50,213 --> 00:15:53,173 Speaker 8: punch above their weight range, so be careful with the donkey. 322 00:15:53,253 --> 00:15:55,573 Speaker 8: But but by the same token, they're a beautiful animal. 323 00:15:55,933 --> 00:15:56,813 Speaker 4: It's all about. 324 00:15:56,653 --> 00:15:59,413 Speaker 8: Food for donkeys if you want to, So I click 325 00:15:59,453 --> 00:16:01,493 Speaker 8: a train a donkey, and I always the best thing 326 00:16:01,573 --> 00:16:04,133 Speaker 8: for the little for you to do and then to 327 00:16:04,253 --> 00:16:07,172 Speaker 8: pass on to your daughter, is to use a just 328 00:16:07,253 --> 00:16:09,013 Speaker 8: a stick with the ball on them of it, and 329 00:16:09,133 --> 00:16:11,213 Speaker 8: I teach the donkey to touch it with its nose. 330 00:16:11,533 --> 00:16:13,253 Speaker 8: If you don't, it touches it. I clicked them food 331 00:16:13,293 --> 00:16:15,973 Speaker 8: and water with sweet feet. So have a little box 332 00:16:16,053 --> 00:16:19,052 Speaker 8: of sweet feed on my belt and I click, and 333 00:16:19,093 --> 00:16:21,133 Speaker 8: don't let it into your sweet feed belt. They make 334 00:16:21,173 --> 00:16:26,173 Speaker 8: them damn mess quickly. And then you click and reward 335 00:16:26,573 --> 00:16:29,052 Speaker 8: them for touching the stick. And then you move that 336 00:16:29,213 --> 00:16:31,573 Speaker 8: round and it follows you and touches it, and click 337 00:16:31,653 --> 00:16:33,653 Speaker 8: and reward, and then once you get control of it 338 00:16:33,773 --> 00:16:36,532 Speaker 8: that way, you can actually move the donkey round and 339 00:16:37,053 --> 00:16:39,093 Speaker 8: right from that point on you'll be fine with a donkey. 340 00:16:39,493 --> 00:16:42,253 Speaker 8: And then you transfer that to the dater, she'll be 341 00:16:42,373 --> 00:16:45,893 Speaker 8: the fine. Well, I mean you also should also hold 342 00:16:45,893 --> 00:16:47,693 Speaker 8: your train them, of course. They should be good on 343 00:16:47,733 --> 00:16:51,093 Speaker 8: a holter, of course, so anyone should be able to 344 00:16:51,133 --> 00:16:51,893 Speaker 8: walk them on a holter. 345 00:16:52,413 --> 00:16:54,613 Speaker 3: I was staying at a farm, just on a ranch 346 00:16:54,773 --> 00:16:58,053 Speaker 3: just out of Los Angeles, and the borrows as they 347 00:16:58,093 --> 00:17:00,813 Speaker 3: call them, the borrels. The borrows were everywhere, just packs 348 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:03,052 Speaker 3: of wild donkeys. It was crazy. You were driving down 349 00:17:03,093 --> 00:17:05,933 Speaker 3: the road and there'll be twenty donkeys come running past 350 00:17:05,973 --> 00:17:07,613 Speaker 3: the bottles, the bottles the food. 351 00:17:10,013 --> 00:17:11,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, under estimate the donkey. 352 00:17:12,133 --> 00:17:16,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Mark, afternoon A vow you're on with Mark. 353 00:17:16,853 --> 00:17:20,493 Speaker 9: Thank you, Good afternoon, Mark. It's found nuals here. I 354 00:17:20,613 --> 00:17:23,933 Speaker 9: have a beautiful black Labrador and of course he's food orientated. 355 00:17:24,373 --> 00:17:27,133 Speaker 9: When I go to the dog park, other people have 356 00:17:27,293 --> 00:17:29,173 Speaker 9: a bag on the side with their treats and they're 357 00:17:29,213 --> 00:17:31,293 Speaker 9: training their dogs. My boy. 358 00:17:32,693 --> 00:17:35,453 Speaker 5: Liked, you know, she's right on the side. 359 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:41,253 Speaker 9: Sitting down wat he wants one as well, and he 360 00:17:41,373 --> 00:17:41,813 Speaker 9: gets one. 361 00:17:42,853 --> 00:17:43,053 Speaker 4: Yep. 362 00:17:43,293 --> 00:17:45,493 Speaker 8: So the trick there is have your own bag of treats. 363 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:48,613 Speaker 8: All you need is probably kibble, because you all had anything. 364 00:17:48,693 --> 00:17:51,253 Speaker 8: Probably if he's a lab And I mean, i'd take 365 00:17:51,293 --> 00:17:54,573 Speaker 8: a clicker as well, and you just reinforce your recall work. 366 00:17:54,973 --> 00:17:57,053 Speaker 8: And I'd run a little long line on him until 367 00:17:57,053 --> 00:17:59,493 Speaker 8: I knew I could call him back from that situation. 368 00:17:59,853 --> 00:18:01,613 Speaker 8: But when he comes back, click and reward him, and 369 00:18:01,693 --> 00:18:04,453 Speaker 8: of course then you're just as important to him. In fact, 370 00:18:04,493 --> 00:18:06,373 Speaker 8: we'll be more important to him than the other one 371 00:18:06,493 --> 00:18:10,733 Speaker 8: and their treats. So just yeah, find treats with treats 372 00:18:10,973 --> 00:18:13,173 Speaker 8: that should go, no problem, all. 373 00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:15,133 Speaker 2: The bears foul and Mark. That is all the time 374 00:18:15,213 --> 00:18:17,693 Speaker 2: we've got. Thank you very much again, and we will 375 00:18:17,773 --> 00:18:19,413 Speaker 2: catch you again in a month's time. We've got so 376 00:18:19,653 --> 00:18:22,013 Speaker 2: many texts and questions to get next time you're on 377 00:18:22,133 --> 00:18:22,453 Speaker 2: with us. 378 00:18:23,293 --> 00:18:25,213 Speaker 4: I plead that anyone needs to jump on the school, 379 00:18:25,533 --> 00:18:26,413 Speaker 4: find out, go for it. 380 00:18:26,573 --> 00:18:27,733 Speaker 8: We'll be there, yep, love it. 381 00:18:27,853 --> 00:18:30,853 Speaker 2: You can check out Mark and his business and his 382 00:18:30,973 --> 00:18:33,693 Speaker 2: work at Mark Vitti dot com and he'll be back 383 00:18:33,773 --> 00:18:35,173 Speaker 2: with us in about a month's time. 384 00:18:35,973 --> 00:18:38,533 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk st B, listen live on 385 00:18:38,693 --> 00:18:41,613 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 386 00:18:41,693 --> 00:18:44,253 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.