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Speaker 1: Twelve past five.

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Speaker 2: Heller duper see Allen.

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Speaker 1: If somebody needs to, because it might well be true. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government has announced quite a significant escalation and

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Speaker 1: its plans for Gaza. It has announced it plans to

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Speaker 1: reoccupy the Gaza Strip, relocate the population there to the south,

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Speaker 1: and then destroy all of Hamas's infrastructure, both above and

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Speaker 1: below ground. Now, doctor Leon Goldsmith is a Middle East

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Speaker 1: expert at Otago University and with US now Hailey.

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Speaker 2: On Good Morning, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: What kind of a place is Gars are going to

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Speaker 1: be after they do this?

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Speaker 2: It's already pretty apocalyptic catastrophe, so yes, it's only going

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Speaker 2: to get worse. I was talked to my Palestinian friend

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Speaker 2: in Doha the other day and there's just nothing left

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Speaker 2: of Gaza City where he's from. So in terms of

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Speaker 2: the destructure, this is not a good sign. But I

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Speaker 2: think that what's happening here is there's really three things

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Speaker 2: that Israeli's heaven in their mind here. As one as

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Speaker 2: to mop up the remainder of the resistance axis. In

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Speaker 2: terms of a security outlock, I think that there was

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Speaker 2: a missile that got through and nearly hit Bengarian Airport.

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Speaker 2: Two days ago, so they still see a major threat

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Speaker 2: to their security. So this is one of the first

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Speaker 2: things that they're trying to do. And the other thing

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Speaker 2: is obviously the hostages that they see that this is

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Speaker 2: some kind of a plan to try and separate her

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Speaker 2: mass from the popitage population and hopefully try and squeeze

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Speaker 2: them to release laughs. But you know, seventy percent of

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Speaker 2: israelis this is the major consideration the hostages. So this

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Speaker 2: is this betrayal hostages because they don't think that this

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Speaker 2: is going to lead to their safe release.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Leon, do you think that, I mean, is

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Speaker 1: anybody going to move back once they actually destroy the infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: which presumably is going to destroy everything around it, Is

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Speaker 1: anybody going to want to move back?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I don't know. It's really it's incredible the

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Speaker 2: resilience people that they after you know, the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: go back north occurred, did actually go back and troll

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Speaker 2: their properties and their livelihoods. But you know that, I

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Speaker 2: don't think the radies if they put this plan in place,

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Speaker 2: and there's no guarantee that they will because they're waiting

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Speaker 2: to get the green light from Trump when he arrives

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Speaker 2: here in the region, in a few days. But I

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Speaker 2: think that if they put this plan in place, they

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Speaker 2: will not allow Palestinian's freedom of movement back towards the North.

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Speaker 2: I think basically they'll corral them about what to do

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Speaker 2: from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, lee On, we'll have to leave at their

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Speaker 1: phone lines Dodgy. I really appreciate it. Doctor Leon Goldsmith,

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Speaker 1: University of Otago, Department of Politics. By the way, speaking

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