1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent here for US. Good afternoon, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: burrid afternoon. Right, Yes, so I men Brown on this 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: program after five. But he's been making ann out since 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: some big changes today. 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Well he has been, hasn't he. And it's on the 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: back of that Deloitte's report and I heard your editorial 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: on it. I mean it's incredible, isn't it. Really the 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: left hand didn't know what the right hand is doing, 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: although in this case both hands were amputated by the 10 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: sounds of things. I mean, the senior management not having 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: meetings for more than two years, which is extraordinary when 12 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: you think about it, and you know, if it was laughable, 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: you'd say it was an orchestrated littany of laughs. But 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: it's not because it's not funny. We're spending I mean, 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: this government has now committed more than sixteen billion dollars 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: over and above what was being spent on health, and 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: what really have we got to show for it at 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: the moment. We've got a health commissioner in place and 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: swimming and Brown. You know, no matter what good intentions 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: health ministers have, it's a never ending bottomless pit. Is 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: always demands on the health system now, Simeon Brown seems 22 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: to know what he wants, but when he talks local, 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: which is what he says, they're going back to local. 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: Does that mean a return to district health boards. 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: You need to make sure that it's nationally planned, but 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: it's locally delivered. And the reality is when Labour centralized 27 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: Health New Zealand into a one mega entity, they took 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: away control. They took away decision making from local leaders 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: and from the districts, and that is meant that we've 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: ended up with an overly bureaucratic system. It's now about 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: decentralizing Health New Zealand, focusing it back on the districts 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: and giving power back to those regions that they can 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: make decisions and the best interests of the patients. I 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: want the best people who have a track record in 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: delivery on this board. It's a thirty billion dollar organization. 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: It's one of the biggest organizations in the Southern Hemisphere, 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: and every single part of that organization needs to be 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: focused on delivery. 39 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is big, but no matter what size, it 40 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: never seems to be to hit the mark. What I 41 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: always found extraordinary, Ryan, was that the district health boards 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: were disbanded right at the height of COVID, where we 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: should have been concentrating on other things, which is exactly 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: not about restructuring the health system. 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Exactly what the then opposition was saying right now is 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: not the time, and this report makes pretty clear that 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't. 48 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: It wasn't the time. 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Now. Winston Peters is on One today. He's talking about DEI. 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: He's got the war on the woke. We've had him 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: on the show this afternoon. I heard a thing about this. 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: Though it's very hard to prove that there is a 53 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: widespread problem with this because how do you know why 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: someone was hired? 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem, isn't it, Because there's no hard 56 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: and fast rules, although there is expectations in the public service, 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: and we're constantly being told how women are disadvantaged when 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: compared to men. There's an interesting thing that came out today. 59 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: The Teacher Aides though beginning discussions across the country next week. 60 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 2: They are looking at taking legal action on the Equal 61 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: Pay Act, the Ministry of Education against the Ministry of 62 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: Education the review of their pay required under the Act. 63 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: They say they won an initial equity settlement in twenty twenty, 64 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: but it shows their pay now basically is seventeen percent 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: behind what men are doing with exactly the same skill set. Now, 66 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: that is where it is unfair. If you're doing exactly 67 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: the same jobs, you shouldn't be generally across the board 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: paid that much less than men. But there is a 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: problem when they have automatic increases, which is what they 70 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: tend to do in the public service, you've got a 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: problem because women leave the workforce, they have broken service 72 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: and then men, so those figures can be skewed. 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: Thing about the pay gap, the gender pay gap is 74 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: women live longer than men. So that isn't it all? 75 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Even outlies labors reshuffle today very quickly we can run 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: through well, not great, does it really? 77 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: I mean I found even more interesting than the reshuffle. 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: I mean Ginny Anderson, who of course has been accident 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 2: prone as we've seen over the past year. She's received 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: a new portfolio jobs and incomes, and there's a new 81 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: sort of a finance team Barbarad and Edmunds. She keeps 82 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: the finance portfolio but is looking at a portfolio called 83 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: savings and investment. And guess what they've announced their two 84 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: thousand and twenty six election campaign. What they're going to 85 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: be concentrating on wait for it, this is a big 86 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: surprise job, jobs, health, and homes. Oh gosh. 87 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: Exactly interesting though, that they've got five in their economy team. 88 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: Five people. I mean, how many people does it take 89 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: to drive a car? 90 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: I hope they have some meetings. 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: In person quickly before you go, Bear, I have to 92 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: play this for you because I think you'll appreciate it 93 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: in the same way I do, which is my reaction 94 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: is sort of a dry reach. But this is justin Trudeau. 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, Please to the Canadian people after Trump's coming 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: for them with the terriffs, have Heaver listens and I 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: think he didn't realize the oscars will last week, have 98 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: a listener. 99 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: I've made sure that every single day in this office 100 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 4: I put Canadians first, that I have people's backs, and 101 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 4: that's why I'm here to tell you all we got you, 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: even in the very last days of this government. We 103 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 4: will not let Canadians down today and long into the future. 104 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: Oh please, I've seen that man at so many international 105 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: conferences that I've attended. He walks through hotel four years 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: leading his group of people, but walks away ahead of 107 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: them and looks side to side, hoping that people will 108 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: know who he is. A lot of people just look blankly, No. 109 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: That weirdo who is Well, he won't be there much longer, 110 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: will he? Thank you for that very Soper Senior political correspondent. 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: And the way he says in the last days of 112 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: my government like they're wrung back per year. He's dead, 113 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: well exactly except quite right. It has just gone ten 114 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: away from five News Talk, said b don't forget some 115 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: men brown after five for. 116 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 3: More from hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to news Talks. 117 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 118 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.