1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:13,533 Speaker 1: from News Talks. A'd be time to catch up with 3 00:00:13,573 --> 00:00:16,733 Speaker 1: our film review of Francisca. Rudkin has two film picks 4 00:00:16,733 --> 00:00:20,053 Speaker 1: for us this week, kicking off with Pike River, which 5 00:00:20,093 --> 00:00:22,893 Speaker 1: is just hit New Zealand cinema. So francisco Ers have 6 00:00:23,093 --> 00:00:26,213 Speaker 1: listen to that. There were thirty five miners down in 7 00:00:26,213 --> 00:00:26,573 Speaker 1: the mine. 8 00:00:26,693 --> 00:00:27,093 Speaker 2: They don't know. 9 00:00:27,053 --> 00:00:28,653 Speaker 1: Exactly what paman at the miners. 10 00:00:28,933 --> 00:00:35,373 Speaker 2: There's been an explosion at the mine. What happened up there? 11 00:00:36,213 --> 00:00:39,133 Speaker 2: We need to make sure the recovery is safe, recovery 12 00:00:40,293 --> 00:00:41,093 Speaker 2: all the men are dead. 13 00:00:44,493 --> 00:00:46,093 Speaker 1: I had the great privilege of seeing this a couple 14 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:48,413 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Francisca has been to see Pike River 15 00:00:48,453 --> 00:00:50,133 Speaker 1: as well, So tell us about the film. 16 00:00:50,573 --> 00:00:52,333 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk to you about a film 17 00:00:52,333 --> 00:00:53,053 Speaker 2: you've seen. 18 00:00:54,613 --> 00:00:57,053 Speaker 1: First for everything. Eh. 19 00:00:57,133 --> 00:00:59,573 Speaker 2: Hey, if I'm ever talking to some if anyone from 20 00:00:59,573 --> 00:01:02,413 Speaker 2: overseas is ever asking about the New Zealand film industry, 21 00:01:02,453 --> 00:01:04,653 Speaker 2: I say, look, we've got a pretty small film industry 22 00:01:04,653 --> 00:01:07,733 Speaker 2: in New Zealand, but we generally make films that matter, 23 00:01:07,773 --> 00:01:10,573 Speaker 2: and we tell stories that need to be told. And 24 00:01:10,613 --> 00:01:12,493 Speaker 2: I think with Pipe River, this is a really good 25 00:01:12,493 --> 00:01:18,533 Speaker 2: example of that. This story has been told from the 26 00:01:18,573 --> 00:01:21,813 Speaker 2: perspective of those closest to it, from the you know, 27 00:01:21,853 --> 00:01:24,933 Speaker 2: the perspective of the families, and an awful lot of 28 00:01:25,013 --> 00:01:29,613 Speaker 2: time and research went into your learning about their experiences 29 00:01:29,893 --> 00:01:33,133 Speaker 2: and what it has been like since this tragedy in 30 00:01:33,173 --> 00:01:35,453 Speaker 2: twenty ten, and in particular, in this film, we follow 31 00:01:35,453 --> 00:01:39,413 Speaker 2: the story of two remarkable women are Sonny Rockhouse and 32 00:01:39,453 --> 00:01:44,973 Speaker 2: Anna Osborne, and how they just basically refused to give 33 00:01:45,053 --> 00:01:47,493 Speaker 2: up the fight the justice for the men that they 34 00:01:47,533 --> 00:01:51,493 Speaker 2: lost in the mind. And you know, I know that 35 00:01:51,493 --> 00:01:53,573 Speaker 2: you've spoken to them as well, and I hate the privilege. 36 00:01:53,613 --> 00:01:55,453 Speaker 2: I'm hosting a couple of q and as with them 37 00:01:55,893 --> 00:01:59,053 Speaker 2: at the moment at Screamings, And you know, last night 38 00:01:59,053 --> 00:02:01,453 Speaker 2: I was saying, everybody has an opinion about Pipe River, 39 00:02:01,533 --> 00:02:04,013 Speaker 2: and everyone likes to share that opinion with them. They 40 00:02:04,653 --> 00:02:08,053 Speaker 2: everyone's a mine, expert Jack. You know, everyone's got an 41 00:02:08,053 --> 00:02:09,373 Speaker 2: opinion on whether we should get the men out and 42 00:02:09,413 --> 00:02:10,973 Speaker 2: we shouldn't it, all these kind of things. And they said, 43 00:02:11,013 --> 00:02:12,733 Speaker 2: what we wanted to do with this film was just 44 00:02:13,333 --> 00:02:15,813 Speaker 2: to lay our story out for people to actually see 45 00:02:15,813 --> 00:02:19,293 Speaker 2: what why we've been doing, what we've been doing, and 46 00:02:19,333 --> 00:02:21,373 Speaker 2: you know, they have been fighting incredibly hard and what 47 00:02:21,413 --> 00:02:25,613 Speaker 2: they have achieved is really remarkable. And I think that 48 00:02:25,613 --> 00:02:29,373 Speaker 2: that is what this film does. It kind of shows 49 00:02:29,613 --> 00:02:32,973 Speaker 2: us this story from a perspective that none of us, 50 00:02:33,213 --> 00:02:38,053 Speaker 2: you know, had access to. I think it also conjures 51 00:02:38,133 --> 00:02:40,293 Speaker 2: up for me. It conjured up an awful lot of emotion. 52 00:02:40,373 --> 00:02:41,853 Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen this film a couple of times, 53 00:02:41,893 --> 00:02:43,973 Speaker 2: so I've cried both times, but I've also laughed because 54 00:02:43,973 --> 00:02:47,413 Speaker 2: it's also an uplifting and at times funny film about friendship. 55 00:02:47,973 --> 00:02:51,773 Speaker 2: It's about the tragedy, It's about anger and loss and 56 00:02:51,853 --> 00:02:54,413 Speaker 2: a tragedy that should never have happened. But it's also 57 00:02:54,453 --> 00:02:59,733 Speaker 2: a very uplifting film jack about friendship and about advocacy 58 00:02:59,893 --> 00:03:03,293 Speaker 2: and what you can achieve. I hope that you how 59 00:03:03,333 --> 00:03:05,013 Speaker 2: did you find it? What emotions did it? Because it 60 00:03:05,013 --> 00:03:08,093 Speaker 2: also it brought up when I left, I found a 61 00:03:08,093 --> 00:03:10,053 Speaker 2: lot of shame as a New Zealander that we have 62 00:03:10,173 --> 00:03:13,333 Speaker 2: done so little for these family. There has been no 63 00:03:13,453 --> 00:03:17,493 Speaker 2: accountability whatsoever. But what happened to twenty nine men who 64 00:03:17,573 --> 00:03:19,253 Speaker 2: went to work one day and never came home. 65 00:03:19,693 --> 00:03:24,133 Speaker 1: I think that was one of the defining feelings I 66 00:03:24,173 --> 00:03:26,893 Speaker 1: had watching the film, and I said that to Anna 67 00:03:26,893 --> 00:03:28,813 Speaker 1: and Soniel when they were with us on the show 68 00:03:28,813 --> 00:03:31,333 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. It feels like the story 69 00:03:31,533 --> 00:03:37,013 Speaker 1: is unfinished and that there is this grave injustice that 70 00:03:37,093 --> 00:03:42,253 Speaker 1: has not been corrected or attended to or addressed sufficiently 71 00:03:42,413 --> 00:03:46,133 Speaker 1: in my view, And that is the sense you left with. 72 00:03:46,253 --> 00:03:48,653 Speaker 1: So most films when you watch them, have a sort 73 00:03:48,693 --> 00:03:51,613 Speaker 1: of conclusion that feels like, well, you know, we've kind 74 00:03:51,613 --> 00:03:54,573 Speaker 1: of you know, everything's kind of tied off. And the 75 00:03:54,613 --> 00:03:56,573 Speaker 1: sense I got with Pike River is that the story 76 00:03:56,773 --> 00:04:02,173 Speaker 1: hasn't yet been finished. And I hope that this film will, 77 00:04:04,493 --> 00:04:06,173 Speaker 1: you know, will stir a similar kind of response and 78 00:04:06,373 --> 00:04:08,493 Speaker 1: a lot of New Zealanders who will see this as 79 00:04:08,493 --> 00:04:10,933 Speaker 1: the injustice it is because for those of us who 80 00:04:11,013 --> 00:04:14,333 Speaker 1: haven't been directly affected, you know, the truth is that 81 00:04:14,933 --> 00:04:16,773 Speaker 1: over time, life goes on. 82 00:04:18,253 --> 00:04:21,373 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, And but I think we all collect we 83 00:04:21,453 --> 00:04:24,333 Speaker 2: all remember the time that we heard about Pipe River. 84 00:04:24,373 --> 00:04:26,253 Speaker 2: I mean I think collectively as a nation, we held 85 00:04:26,253 --> 00:04:29,213 Speaker 2: our breath and we held on to that hope. Yeah, 86 00:04:29,293 --> 00:04:31,893 Speaker 2: we were promised, you know that we were you know 87 00:04:31,933 --> 00:04:35,253 Speaker 2: that these men could be Okay, look, Jack, as far 88 00:04:35,293 --> 00:04:38,133 Speaker 2: as the craft of this film goes. It's absolutely stunning. 89 00:04:38,413 --> 00:04:42,133 Speaker 2: Melanie Linsky and Robin Malcolm are It's just a masterclass 90 00:04:42,173 --> 00:04:45,973 Speaker 2: in acting. The sound editing is brilliant, the cinematography is beautiful. 91 00:04:45,973 --> 00:04:49,253 Speaker 2: There are just haunting shots of the landscape which you know, 92 00:04:49,333 --> 00:04:52,293 Speaker 2: you feel the weight of that landscape on these men 93 00:04:52,413 --> 00:04:57,933 Speaker 2: who are still underground. The costume and makeup, the art department, 94 00:04:57,933 --> 00:05:02,093 Speaker 2: you know, everything has been thought through really thoroughly, and 95 00:05:02,573 --> 00:05:05,653 Speaker 2: it gives a sense of authenticity of what this small 96 00:05:05,653 --> 00:05:08,653 Speaker 2: community was like and things. So, you know, as far 97 00:05:08,693 --> 00:05:10,813 Speaker 2: as you know, the production of the film as well, 98 00:05:10,933 --> 00:05:14,533 Speaker 2: I think it's it's been made to a high standard 99 00:05:14,573 --> 00:05:17,653 Speaker 2: and made but a huge amount of respect and sensitivity. 100 00:05:17,853 --> 00:05:20,333 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, well, seid Well said, I think it's a 101 00:05:20,373 --> 00:05:22,733 Speaker 1: really important film. I hope everyone goes to see. Pike 102 00:05:22,853 --> 00:05:26,773 Speaker 1: Riverett is showing in cinemas now. Next up a film 103 00:05:26,773 --> 00:05:30,493 Speaker 1: that is screening on Netflix, something completely different. This is 104 00:05:30,533 --> 00:05:31,733 Speaker 1: a House of dynamite. 105 00:05:32,133 --> 00:05:36,453 Speaker 2: Approximately three minutes ago, we detected an ICBM over the Pacific. 106 00:05:36,733 --> 00:05:39,813 Speaker 2: Current flight trajectory is consistent with impact somewhere in the 107 00:05:39,853 --> 00:05:44,933 Speaker 2: continentally the United States. If we do not take steps 108 00:05:45,333 --> 00:05:50,253 Speaker 2: to neutralize our enemies now, we will lose our window 109 00:05:50,333 --> 00:05:50,733 Speaker 2: to do. 110 00:05:50,693 --> 00:05:55,773 Speaker 1: So, Dan Dan, Dan, Right. 111 00:05:55,813 --> 00:06:00,373 Speaker 2: So this is Catherine Bigelow. I really like Catherine Bigelow 112 00:06:00,453 --> 00:06:04,213 Speaker 2: is a direct point break Zero, DAC's Duty, the hurt Locker. 113 00:06:04,293 --> 00:06:07,173 Speaker 2: She is really good with tension and draft and thrill. 114 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:09,893 Speaker 2: She can just, you know, she just can bring all 115 00:06:09,933 --> 00:06:12,893 Speaker 2: this together and take you on an incredible sort of 116 00:06:13,133 --> 00:06:15,733 Speaker 2: ride and journey and things. House of Dynamite. It was 117 00:06:15,773 --> 00:06:18,693 Speaker 2: written by Noah Oppenheim. He was a former NBC News 118 00:06:18,773 --> 00:06:21,093 Speaker 2: chief and he also wrote Zero Day. People might have 119 00:06:21,133 --> 00:06:23,413 Speaker 2: been watching that on Netflix as well, starring Robert de Niro, 120 00:06:24,213 --> 00:06:27,133 Speaker 2: and this film describes nineteen minutes in which a missile 121 00:06:27,133 --> 00:06:29,093 Speaker 2: has launched from somewhere in the Pacific. We don't know 122 00:06:29,133 --> 00:06:31,373 Speaker 2: who has launched it. It is picked up by a 123 00:06:31,493 --> 00:06:33,773 Speaker 2: US Army base in Alaska, and then we kind of 124 00:06:33,813 --> 00:06:37,693 Speaker 2: follow what happens. It's flagged to the White House situation 125 00:06:37,853 --> 00:06:40,773 Speaker 2: room and everyone else it needs to know whether it's 126 00:06:40,813 --> 00:06:44,653 Speaker 2: analysts or national security agents or you know, the military 127 00:06:44,653 --> 00:06:45,853 Speaker 2: and things. Then everyone's kind. 128 00:06:45,693 --> 00:06:46,173 Speaker 1: Of on a zoom. 129 00:06:46,173 --> 00:06:48,093 Speaker 2: We're all in a room together and I'm thinking, Ah, 130 00:06:48,173 --> 00:06:50,613 Speaker 2: this is perfect. This is so care from Bigelow territory. 131 00:06:50,653 --> 00:06:52,253 Speaker 2: She's going to put us in a room, and she's 132 00:06:52,253 --> 00:06:53,693 Speaker 2: going to amp up the tension. This is going to 133 00:06:53,733 --> 00:06:55,493 Speaker 2: be a great ride. I can't see what she does yet. 134 00:06:56,253 --> 00:06:57,693 Speaker 2: And I also thought of was like, good, where is 135 00:06:57,733 --> 00:06:59,573 Speaker 2: this going? Because this missile is only good. It's not 136 00:06:59,613 --> 00:07:01,453 Speaker 2: going to take very long to go up and come down, right, 137 00:07:01,493 --> 00:07:03,413 Speaker 2: So I was thinking, where's this film going. As it 138 00:07:03,453 --> 00:07:05,893 Speaker 2: turns out, Jack, it goes back to the beginning, and 139 00:07:05,933 --> 00:07:07,773 Speaker 2: we go back to the beginning a couple of times, 140 00:07:07,773 --> 00:07:10,613 Speaker 2: and we see this same story told through different points 141 00:07:10,613 --> 00:07:12,613 Speaker 2: of view, and I'm going to be honest with you, 142 00:07:13,373 --> 00:07:15,773 Speaker 2: I was a little bit disappointed by this. I found 143 00:07:15,773 --> 00:07:19,053 Speaker 2: it very unsatisfactory, basically because I did not get enough 144 00:07:19,133 --> 00:07:23,133 Speaker 2: information each time, or you know, yeah, more of enough 145 00:07:23,133 --> 00:07:25,133 Speaker 2: information each time we went back to the beginning to 146 00:07:25,133 --> 00:07:29,333 Speaker 2: feel like it was adding to the story. I think 147 00:07:29,373 --> 00:07:31,773 Speaker 2: what she is trying to say here, Jack, and in 148 00:07:31,973 --> 00:07:34,293 Speaker 2: light of and I think this was a very good 149 00:07:35,413 --> 00:07:37,493 Speaker 2: This sort of added a new spin to this film. 150 00:07:37,493 --> 00:07:39,893 Speaker 2: And light of Trump treating to rest out nuclear testing, 151 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:43,773 Speaker 2: I think what the message here is saying is that 152 00:07:43,853 --> 00:07:47,533 Speaker 2: the decision makers in a moment like this, in a 153 00:07:47,933 --> 00:07:52,173 Speaker 2: nuclear strike, need to be the best position knowledgeable and 154 00:07:52,213 --> 00:07:55,693 Speaker 2: trained people in the room possibly to make that decision. 155 00:07:55,933 --> 00:07:58,173 Speaker 2: So that does resonate a little bit more, maybe in 156 00:07:58,293 --> 00:08:01,573 Speaker 2: light of you know, as I said about, you know, 157 00:08:01,653 --> 00:08:03,973 Speaker 2: the sight of the world and things. But I love her, 158 00:08:03,973 --> 00:08:05,973 Speaker 2: but I just I did not find this sounds fine. 159 00:08:06,733 --> 00:08:10,093 Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, Okay, that's like you say, she's an amazing 160 00:08:10,133 --> 00:08:13,933 Speaker 1: director usually, so yeah, maybe this is a rare myss 161 00:08:13,933 --> 00:08:16,173 Speaker 1: from Catherine Bigelow. So that's a House of Dynamite and 162 00:08:16,213 --> 00:08:18,933 Speaker 1: Francesca's first film was Pike River. Pike Rivers and Cinema 163 00:08:18,973 --> 00:08:21,093 Speaker 1: is The House of Dynamite is on Netflix. 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