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Speaker 2: Hello are you great New Zealanders? And welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B. I think that's

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Speaker 2: the name of the show for our podcast for the

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Speaker 2: twenty eighth of November and the Year of our Lord,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Hell of a show, Tyler, What a day.

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Speaker 3: So we started off talking about rocks rack, the old

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Speaker 3: road user charges.

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Speaker 2: Bring back the rucking and rugby. I think that'll that'll

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Speaker 2: improve the game. Yeah, a bit of enforcement with the sprigs,

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Speaker 2: but that's not what we were talking about. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about rose charges. Government's looking at potentially bringing that in

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Speaker 2: and getting rid of the fuel tax at the pump.

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Speaker 2: That was a great chat, and then we went into

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Speaker 2: in shitification.

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Speaker 3: Great word word of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, word of the year, And that's what's happening to platforms,

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Speaker 2: your Googles, your facebooks, your Airbnb over time. You start off,

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Speaker 2: they start off these companies giving you, giving you a

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Speaker 2: great service, and then they turn you into the product

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Speaker 2: and then it turns to crap. Then they focus on

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Speaker 2: the businesses and then they rip off the businesses and

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Speaker 2: then then the platform slowly starts to die. Look at facebooks.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 3: There was a good chat as well, everybody gets fleeced

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Speaker 3: and then after three o'clock experiences versus stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a that was a fantastic chat. It

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Speaker 2: was heartwarming chat. There was a bit of sexual content

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Speaker 2: that came in that was disappointing, but apart from that,

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Speaker 2: a fantastic chat. And a visit from my good buddy,

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Speaker 2: Alternative Commentary Collective head Garrot Laine came in for a

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Speaker 2: chat about the cricket So.

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Speaker 3: Very good show.

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed that a lot, So I hope you enjoy our podcast.

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Speaker 2: And look you seem busy. We'll let you go. Make

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Speaker 2: the Matt and Tyler podcast and give them a taste

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Speaker 2: of key we from me and Tyler or Tyler and

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Speaker 2: I as the text machine constantly tells me to.

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Speaker 3: Get right if you want to make complaints.

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Speaker 1: You're new home for instateful and Entertaining Talk. It's Mattie

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons on Youth Talk.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Sex past

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Speaker 3: one Big show today, Maddie.

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Speaker 2: I've just seen a really cool z B tradition I

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen CD Christmas tree. Where is this?

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Speaker 2: There's a c D Christmas tree like c d's placed

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Speaker 2: of Christmas albums in the shape of a Christmas tree.

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Speaker 3: It's not a c D Christmas tree.

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I said, c D Christmas Tree. Can

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Speaker 3: you take these CDs? Is that just I can just

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Speaker 3: take one for myself.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a c D Christmas tree, not like not

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Speaker 2: like a seed. It's not like CD that and that

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Speaker 2: it stinks or it's rubbish. Yeah, like a comveic this, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Christmas tree it yeah, yeah, no you can't take them.

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Speaker 2: But what are you talking about? You steal them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you leave it with c D under

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Speaker 3: the Christmas tree for me?

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Speaker 2: Well, then it would lose its shape of a Christmas tree.

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Speaker 2: I think Tim Beverige might put it together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great tradition, beautiful. Well we're speaking about that.

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Speaker 3: We might bring it back up a little bit later on.

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Speaker 3: But Secret Center was another tradition that I just saw

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Speaker 3: an email about. But we might bring that back up

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Speaker 3: next week because today after three o'clock we're going to

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Speaker 3: be talking about experiences versus stuff that he had a

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Speaker 3: Black Friday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, We're going to talk about yesterday, but

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Speaker 2: we ran out of time with all our other interesting

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Speaker 2: stuff to chat about. Came out sales approaching one billion

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand, profit up over fifty percent. We're deep

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Speaker 2: into Black Friday and coming up on Christmas. People are

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Speaker 2: buying a lot of objects and things, but as buying

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Speaker 2: stuff the way to go, the study show that experiences

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Speaker 3: Now I'm not knocking Kmart, but can you get many

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess what's an experience?

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Speaker 3: I mean, Oh, their camping department's pretty good, is it?

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Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, fantastic, I'll remember that forever. It was

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Speaker 3: Yep making memories. That is after three o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: something you're pretty hot on. In shitification, it's word of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So platforms, digital platforms like of Facebook, but also

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Speaker 2: to talk about that. Have you noticed Google, for example,

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Speaker 2: They won't give you that, and they'll give you things

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Speaker 2: Their search results are so much worse. I watched a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they choke the reality that they choke what

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Speaker 2: I've been reading about what they do, and essentially they're

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Speaker 2: so's it's the let's say in grapification, will change.

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Speaker 3: The word gratifications.

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Speaker 2: We might have someone steaming into the studio and telling

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Speaker 2: a show. We're out about two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is going to be a good chat after

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Speaker 3: two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat about

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Speaker 3: road user charges. The government could make decisions on how

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Speaker 3: to transition our vehicle fleet from fuel taxes to road

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Speaker 3: user charges as soon as next March, so the date

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Speaker 3: Tender Services. But the Ministry is now seeking information from

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Speaker 3: businesses offering services that support the purchase, measurement and management

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Speaker 3: of road user charges or rucks. And it's a big

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Speaker 3: call from the government, I know. Simeon Brown Long floated

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Speaker 3: the idea of moving most if not all drivers to

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Speaker 2: So this means that so you play about seventy cents

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Speaker 2: in road user taxes per liter of petrol, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that would disappear, and you would have to buy

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Speaker 2: and advance your CA's for road users like you do

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Speaker 2: because they've brought it in for EV's recently, they have.

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Speaker 2: And would it be more expensive for EV's because evs

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Speaker 3: I understand it, EV's full EV's pay about the same

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think that this isn't going to

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Speaker 2: So they're their argument as it's fairer, but save for example, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just trying to get my head around this situation.

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Speaker 2: Cars are getting way more efficient is basically what's happening here.

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Speaker 2: And you've also got hybrids, and you driver hybrid, don't you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So because cars are getting more efficient, they're getting

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Speaker 2: Feel so it's going to be better for the coffers

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Speaker 2: to spend on the infrastructure. But surely it would be

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Speaker 3: Yes, it would be. Yeah, the government may get a

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Speaker 3: the ruck system is that let's call them just general hybrids.

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Speaker 3: So these are ones that you don't need to plug

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Speaker 3: in scot free. I don't have to pay anything, so

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Speaker 3: they get they don't have to pay as much fuel.

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Speaker 2: Bloody great for classic car drivers, Yeah, brilliant, says this

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Speaker 2: Textra on nine two, niney two. My seventies V eight

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no more Sunday drive.

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Speaker 2: You can get out there if you're running a v

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Speaker 2: O the way year if you're running a V eight absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll wait one hundred eighty ten eighty. So there's

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Speaker 3: no guarantees, but they put it out to the market

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Speaker 3: at the moment to get people's thoughts on a ruck

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Speaker 3: system for all. How would you feel about what do

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Speaker 2: And when are they going to come? After my e by?

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Speaker 3: They coming next? It is a fourteen past one beckon

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. That Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons you for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four used talk they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon at seventeen past one. We're talking about road

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Speaker 3: user charges for all drivers. The government is looking into

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Speaker 3: that and they've asked for feedback from businesses offering ruck services.

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Speaker 7: Yes, So I think that for user pay system. So

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Speaker 8: On your lawmark.

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Speaker 10: John?

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Speaker 7: I've got an EV and I've also got a petrol

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Speaker 7: Expense of running an EV. I don't know why more

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Speaker 7: And fifty dollars on petrol a week.

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Speaker 3: Part of me, part of me, John, And look, I

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Speaker 3: But the general hybrids, the Prius and whatnot that don't

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they'll be true. Yeah, probably technology that they haven't

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Speaker 7: of having a hybridsystem where half your legal fleets running,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember when I was a student. I was,

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Speaker 3: Now I racked up some fines here in those days.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: We have the first bit of the COVID inquiry done.

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Speaker 11: Out going COVID inquiry to here. Tony Blakeley is backwards

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Speaker 11: the mandates and the comments you've made about the mandates.

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Speaker 2: Is that a change of mind on your part or not?

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Speaker 12: Ah, it's an evolution. I think we've all learned a lot.

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Speaker 12: You can't roll out the need for doing mandatory measures again.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four past one.

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Speaker 2: Got a text here from Tony in the sunny Wire wrapper.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, all good if you hire an analog speedo

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Speaker 2: back no problems at all. Got a bunch of texts

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Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, I don't had a one moment.

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Speaker 3: It's a bold move, isn't it. Uh Wage, you've got

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Speaker 3: fined recently for not having your rucks up to date?

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Speaker 5: So that's so like I just sort of like said, like,

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Speaker 2: In the Yeah, yeah, I will thank you. Call Wade.

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Speaker 2: Some interesting texts coming through here. Lost revenue collection. Tractors, boats, generators, forklifts, diggers,

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Speaker 2: But that seems fair to me. If you're driving a

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Speaker 2: If you're driving around your warehouse. Yeah, then why are

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Speaker 3: Well, this is from the flip side, guys. I can't

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, I'm a mechanic and you'll be surprised how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the underworld of New Zealand drivers. Oh eight, one

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Speaker 13: News Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 13: under Donald Trump's new administration. Foreign Minister Winston Peters says

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Speaker 13: New Zealand and France have renewed efforts to work more

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Speaker 13: closely together in the Indo Pacific. As he met his

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty eight to two,

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about the ruck system. Should it be

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Speaker 3: rolled out to all vehicles? The government is looking deeply

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Speaker 3: at this. They are asking for feedback from businesses offering

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Speaker 3: services that support purchase measuremental management of road user charges.

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Speaker 3: To chat about this, we're joined by Martin Glenn. He's

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Speaker 3: the policy director at AA. Get A.

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Speaker 2: Martin, what's the AA's view on road user charter charges

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Speaker 2: on the light vehicle fleet? You think it's a good

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Speaker 2: or a bad thing?

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Speaker 14: Always think it's going to happen. It's just a question

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Speaker 14: of power level, mainly because when petro tests came in,

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Speaker 14: generally the average car used similar amount of petrol. And

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Speaker 14: now we've got bag variation, so it's become increasingly unfair

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Speaker 14: owners of older and less fuel. Sorry, lest Field Social

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Speaker 14: vehicles are paying much more for the same bileage. So

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Speaker 14: does it change?

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Speaker 2: Sorry? So so Martin, for the average driver, will it

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Speaker 2: be more than they're paying now?

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Speaker 12: Uh?

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Speaker 14: Depen, So there'll be worse and leaders more Field Off

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Speaker 14: new vehicles. The example that if you look us something

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Speaker 14: that the brand news, so I can probably expect to

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Speaker 14: pay more for older vehicles and and maybe your average

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Speaker 14: everygehicles will be about the same.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, you really.

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Speaker 14: Field Assion vehicles will probably pay lest that they're paying

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Speaker 14: a lot more now, So you wish there's pretty.

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Speaker 3: There in terms of an argument argument against it, Martin,

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Speaker 3: is it fair to say that adding an extra ADMIN

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Speaker 3: could be a challenge for some road users? You know,

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Speaker 3: these are people that might be forgetful or indeed don't

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Speaker 3: don't get war on a fitness and regail anyway, So

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Speaker 3: you're just clogging up that system more potentially.

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Speaker 14: Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean how kes and iron, their

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Speaker 14: old right gets checked and that's that's boarding the shop

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Speaker 14: for people. Think I'll pay their rup when you when

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Speaker 14: you when you get your water fus cheap. But it's

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Speaker 14: an extra thing people have to do. And you know,

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Speaker 14: petrol tax now is really easy. Most people don't know

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Speaker 14: they pay it at the pump, so it's just it's

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Speaker 14: just done. So yes, it's an extra task for people

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Speaker 14: and at the moment their administration costs and purchasing luck

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Speaker 14: as well, which we'd like to see go or if

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Speaker 14: that's not possible, if very much come down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems harsh on the admin useless like me, Hey,

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Speaker 2: it seems fair because it doesn't hit tractors and boats

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Speaker 2: and forklifts and such that don't go on the road.

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Speaker 2: But surely that will end generators. But surely that will

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Speaker 2: lower tax take for the government to see a question,

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Speaker 2: So it's so it's not going to hurt tractors or boats,

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Speaker 2: or forklifts or or lawn mowers, which are probably a small,

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Speaker 2: small end of the scale generators. Generators, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 14: Mean the generally they generally exempt anyway, See anything with

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Speaker 14: the government's probably likely to click slightly more iciency but

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Speaker 14: it's there to say, you know, one of the things

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Speaker 14: we're going to have to facts ready to changes. Its

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Speaker 14: slightly easier to awards and people text people, dex is

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Speaker 14: possible to avoid. So yeah, that's going to have to

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Speaker 14: be fixed to.

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Speaker 2: So so how do how sorry part of my ignorance,

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Speaker 2: but how does how do you avoid paying the petrol

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Speaker 2: tax on a on a tractor for example, or a

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Speaker 2: fort left?

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Speaker 9: Well, the charges.

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Speaker 14: If it's petri generally diesel and there exists changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, OK, are we going to get into trouble Martin?

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Speaker 3: Do you think because already with e vs and there's

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Speaker 3: different types of evs, whether that's plug in, whether that's

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Speaker 3: h e V, whether that's full e V, that they

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Speaker 3: pay different rucks. Are we're going to get into that

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Speaker 3: situation where people pay different rucks than others.

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Speaker 14: What what we'd hope as it may qual the system.

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Speaker 14: So at the moment for roses to charges, if you're

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Speaker 14: like vehicle that's required to pay it. So that's as

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Speaker 14: you say, diesel vehicles and evs, and then there's a

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Speaker 14: there's a single rate for that for petrol hyper electric

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Speaker 14: vehicles it's about half because the govern's recognizing that those

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Speaker 14: the equirers obviously purchasing petrol. We're the really team to

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Speaker 14: see that the equalis because just about every currently yander

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Speaker 14: is a net bracket of being under three point five tons,

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Speaker 14: so that they should all be paying the same kind

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Speaker 14: of per chorometer rate.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Martin Glenn, Policy director at a A.

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Speaker 2: How easy is it to get around these things? Are

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Speaker 2: domitan rollbacks and such?

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Speaker 14: How much we sh're talking.

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Speaker 5: About on.

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Speaker 14: Particularly with the older vehicles, mechanics or somebody who you know,

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Speaker 14: pretty handy. It's it's really been about fiddling with cells.

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Speaker 14: It's much harder to do that with a new vehicles.

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Speaker 3: So pretty yeah, probably good news, yea, and thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for the expertise. Really good. No way, that

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Speaker 3: is Martin Glenn, Policy Director at A taking your calls

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Speaker 3: on this one oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is

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Speaker 3: it a good idea to transition all vehicles to rucks?

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Speaker 3: It is twenty three to two.

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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four youth talk said, be it's twenty two.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about rucks. What's the situation there, Tyler, what's

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Speaker 2: going on?

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Speaker 3: Well, the government are very keen to introduce a ruck

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Speaker 3: system for most of us as drivers. At the moment,

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Speaker 3: it only targets diesel EV's and plug in evs, so

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Speaker 3: it doesn't need to be rolled out for everybody. Oh

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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call, George,

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 15: Well, I reckon. It's quite interesting because you say, this government,

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Speaker 15: the previous government before the last election in January, had

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Speaker 15: announced that they were doing the same thing. So this

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Speaker 15: is cross. You're not going to be in the opposition

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Speaker 15: to other government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you say, no matter what we do, how

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Speaker 2: much we talk about it, it's going to happen.

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Speaker 15: Happened.

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Speaker 6: What was that?

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Speaker 3: The case, George is are you are you one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent sure on that? Because I know, I know Label,

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Speaker 3: we're keen. I know Label, we're keen on introducing rucks

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Speaker 3: the evs and that's fair. That was that was controversial for.

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Speaker 2: A long time.

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Speaker 15: They were That was part one. Part two was a

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Speaker 15: totally separate system and that was in the unst on

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Speaker 15: your radio station in January by the Minister of Transport.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it gets cross party support. So that's all good,

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Speaker 3: but you reckon it might it might make getting a

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Speaker 3: warrant a fitness more expensive.

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Speaker 15: Well, my view is that from what I understand, that

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Speaker 15: when you go to get your warr and of fitness,

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Speaker 15: they will look at your ruck charges to make sure

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Speaker 15: you're up to date. If they're not up to date,

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Speaker 15: you won't get your warrant until they are. Yeah, So

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Speaker 15: whatever system is introduced, if you have to go online

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Speaker 15: and then buy your ruck up to date, then you'll

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Speaker 15: go back to the workshop and get your warrant. So

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Speaker 15: there's no point in going to get a warrant if

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Speaker 15: you haven't got your ruck up to date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair point.

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Speaker 15: That's the other thing. The third thing is the guy

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Speaker 15: complaining about his five thousand dollars fine. He knew that

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Speaker 15: his ruck was out of date and was you know needed.

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Speaker 15: Not only did he get the fine, but you'd also

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Speaker 15: have to go and buy the rucks anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean his thing was, his thing was

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Speaker 2: that he couldn't couldn't afford the five thousand dollars, way was,

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Speaker 2: and so he was more talking about not the point, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no no no, I'm saying that I'm saying, this is

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Speaker 2: what His point was, not that he shouldn't not that

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Speaker 2: he shouldn't have paid it, but that he was just

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Speaker 2: telling about his process of complaining and complaining and planning

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Speaker 2: until he got off pretty much. So it wasn't what

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Speaker 2: do you do this?

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Speaker 15: What do you do? The same with his vehicle was

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Speaker 15: slammed for not having registration or were in a fitness Yeah, well,

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Speaker 15: I mean that's yeah, that is the the the it's

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Speaker 15: a chance you take one of my rallies. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 15: did that came out and find that the meta mate

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Speaker 15: had given the ticket? We're in a fitness and registration missing.

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Speaker 15: The other point I wanted to make was with Tyler

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Speaker 15: yep about the prius. Yeah, he's complaining, oh, not paid

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Speaker 15: enough for a judge that is paid in the petrol

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Speaker 15: that he buys to run his car that does not

606
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Speaker 15: plug into any other electricity source. The car electrical system

607
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Speaker 15: is running off that petrol. What is complaining about is

608
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Speaker 15: that car is more efficient than this one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but that's what the government's complaining about as well. George,

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Speaker 3: I'll just car.

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Speaker 15: There's no complaint here.

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Speaker 2: No, that's why they're bringing They're bringing in the rut tax.

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Speaker 2: Why they want to bring it in is because cars

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Speaker 2: are getting more efficient. That's one of the main reasons

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Speaker 2: in terms of you know, both presses and just general

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Speaker 2: generally cars. New cars are way more efficient.

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Speaker 15: Is that not a good thing? That we have less

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Speaker 15: carbon and crap going in the air?

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Speaker 13: Now?

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Speaker 15: We want to text you because you're not running a

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Speaker 15: Chevrolet V eight with a five D the motor.

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Speaker 2: I'd like a Chevrolet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Have you got a Prius.

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Speaker 15: George, Yes, we have. It's one of the greatest cars

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Speaker 15: out and they've actually gone way down on the list

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Speaker 15: of cars being stolen there too, So it's really quite

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Speaker 15: interesting because they're not doing the round rating anymore. At

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Speaker 15: a vehicle it is efficient as you want to run it.

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Speaker 15: We don't forget that. In our particular case, you can

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Speaker 15: only get up the sixty seven kilometers an hour fought

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Speaker 15: the laud America switched to petrol, so your trip, your

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Speaker 15: trip out in the country is always on petrol.

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Speaker 9: I was.

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Speaker 15: I'll give you a wee story just to finish from

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Speaker 15: at the Wellington I'm at the Wellington Hospital a couple

637
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Speaker 15: of years back and they had to come out of

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Speaker 15: there and going back to back up north to the

639
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Speaker 15: world of I looked at the taxis. I went down

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Speaker 15: the taxi line and said, you know, how do you

641
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Speaker 15: find your prayers? And the guy said, oh, I won't

642
00:30:42,773 --> 00:30:46,613
Speaker 15: take you. Was that because I won't take you back

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Speaker 15: up north up the motorway? I said, why's that? He said,

644
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Speaker 15: because we can't run on our trip.

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Speaker 2: We can't run on the I didn't want to go

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Speaker 2: to sixty seven, right, Yeah, so I.

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Speaker 15: Don't want to take you because it's going to cost

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Speaker 15: me around.

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Speaker 2: Minus Yeah, that's an interesting one. Yeah, George, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. The Demios they're still the prime ramraid vehicle,

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Speaker 2: aren't they. Yeah, they're up there, yeah, Aqua, Yeah, are

652
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Speaker 2: they they? I think they and Master Demios. It seems

653
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Speaker 2: to be reasoning easy to steal and drive through the

654
00:31:15,413 --> 00:31:15,933
Speaker 2: front of a dairy.

655
00:31:16,013 --> 00:31:17,613
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, pretty strong bumpers, are they?

656
00:31:17,773 --> 00:31:17,933
Speaker 4: Yeah?

657
00:31:18,053 --> 00:31:19,533
Speaker 3: Must be hey, I must mention.

658
00:31:19,773 --> 00:31:21,973
Speaker 2: I must mention the cricket because I'm very excited about it.

659
00:31:22,053 --> 00:31:24,213
Speaker 2: You certainly are New Zealand one hundred and thirteen for

660
00:31:24,453 --> 00:31:28,213
Speaker 2: two Ravender Ravishing reck Revender is on twenty nine and

661
00:31:28,573 --> 00:31:31,733
Speaker 2: Caine Williamson Steady of the Ship on twenty eight. So

662
00:31:32,093 --> 00:31:34,373
Speaker 2: England put us into bat and they'll be ruining that

663
00:31:34,493 --> 00:31:36,053
Speaker 2: right now. You've got to say the first session went

664
00:31:36,133 --> 00:31:39,453
Speaker 2: to us. Tom Nathan out for forty seven and Devin

665
00:31:39,493 --> 00:31:41,773
Speaker 2: Conway out for two. Give them a tasty kiweek.

666
00:31:41,813 --> 00:31:43,173
Speaker 3: It's going to be a good day, isn't it. Oh

667
00:31:43,213 --> 00:31:45,773
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Keen to hear your thoughts

668
00:31:45,813 --> 00:31:48,613
Speaker 3: about the ruck system for everybody. It is a quarter

669
00:31:48,693 --> 00:31:49,133
Speaker 3: to two.

670
00:31:51,293 --> 00:31:54,653
Speaker 1: Matteeth Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight hundred

671
00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:58,933
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty matt ethn Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks V.

672
00:31:59,613 --> 00:32:03,093
Speaker 3: News TALKSB. We're talking about ruck systems for all drivers.

673
00:32:03,133 --> 00:32:06,893
Speaker 3: The government seriously considering bringing it and they have opened

674
00:32:06,973 --> 00:32:08,213
Speaker 3: up discussions to businesses and.

675
00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:11,533
Speaker 2: And Tyler, we're doing a radio show on News Talk CB.

676
00:32:11,693 --> 00:32:13,573
Speaker 2: So can you concentrate on the rucks and stop watching

677
00:32:13,613 --> 00:32:14,253
Speaker 2: the cricket please?

678
00:32:14,373 --> 00:32:16,093
Speaker 3: Oh give me a break mate. You know this is

679
00:32:16,173 --> 00:32:20,213
Speaker 3: good time for the Kiwi boys huding fourteen for two. Yeah, Stueie,

680
00:32:20,253 --> 00:32:21,893
Speaker 3: what are you reckon about the ruck system?

681
00:32:23,173 --> 00:32:26,133
Speaker 16: Well, listen, I'll start off for saying that George wasn't

682
00:32:26,133 --> 00:32:29,773
Speaker 16: it the previous caller? Okay, he was spot on the

683
00:32:29,853 --> 00:32:31,333
Speaker 16: old government's going to do what they're going.

684
00:32:31,253 --> 00:32:31,853
Speaker 5: To do anyway.

685
00:32:32,013 --> 00:32:36,133
Speaker 16: But however, I'll speak up on behalf of just Senda's

686
00:32:36,173 --> 00:32:39,013
Speaker 16: favorite people, the under three and a half ton newt

687
00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:42,973
Speaker 16: And I can't actually open up with saying common sense,

688
00:32:43,013 --> 00:32:46,653
Speaker 16: can I? You can't use that anymore? So logically saying

689
00:32:47,373 --> 00:32:52,973
Speaker 16: why wouldn't you just increase the diesel to accommodate those

690
00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:55,973
Speaker 16: under three and a half ton Then we wouldn't have

691
00:32:56,013 --> 00:32:57,613
Speaker 16: to worry about it, because I never had to worry

692
00:32:57,653 --> 00:32:59,453
Speaker 16: about it when I was living in an audi. Now

693
00:32:59,693 --> 00:33:03,053
Speaker 16: fears fear, though, truckie, they're going to go shit. That's sorry,

694
00:33:03,093 --> 00:33:04,333
Speaker 16: it didn't mean to swear, but they're going to go

695
00:33:04,813 --> 00:33:08,573
Speaker 16: heal with bells Jesus going to make life a little

696
00:33:08,613 --> 00:33:11,653
Speaker 16: bit more expensive. So give them a break, just drop it,

697
00:33:11,693 --> 00:33:14,573
Speaker 16: ever so slightly. I mean, it's the bigger vehicles.

698
00:33:14,213 --> 00:33:15,013
Speaker 14: That wreck the roads.

699
00:33:15,813 --> 00:33:19,293
Speaker 16: Certainly we don't know how to build roads properly, but

700
00:33:19,693 --> 00:33:22,733
Speaker 16: we're getting there. But I mean, for goodness sakes, the

701
00:33:22,853 --> 00:33:26,213
Speaker 16: only ones that are benefit benefiting out of evs is

702
00:33:26,253 --> 00:33:30,213
Speaker 16: the power supplies. So you know, yeah, I can see

703
00:33:30,253 --> 00:33:31,653
Speaker 16: why they want to have a crack at that. But

704
00:33:32,253 --> 00:33:35,093
Speaker 16: from a three and a half ton, and under perspective,

705
00:33:36,653 --> 00:33:39,253
Speaker 16: it is a hassle. I'm a sole trader and it

706
00:33:39,413 --> 00:33:40,533
Speaker 16: is a pain in the backside.

707
00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:42,933
Speaker 15: But you know, you vigilantly have to do it.

708
00:33:43,013 --> 00:33:45,853
Speaker 16: But wouldn't it just be good just to rock up,

709
00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:47,933
Speaker 16: fill up and bugger off.

710
00:33:48,133 --> 00:33:50,533
Speaker 17: You know, IM all for it.

711
00:33:50,613 --> 00:33:53,173
Speaker 16: If it cost me a couple of cents more, I'd

712
00:33:53,213 --> 00:33:56,773
Speaker 16: be rought up there. So anyway, that's my view, and

713
00:33:56,893 --> 00:33:58,933
Speaker 16: I hope that they do look at that, because it

714
00:33:59,093 --> 00:34:00,133
Speaker 16: is a pain in the backside.

715
00:34:00,173 --> 00:34:02,173
Speaker 14: The old coat used the charges that.

716
00:34:03,333 --> 00:34:04,293
Speaker 15: Look, it is what it is.

717
00:34:04,373 --> 00:34:07,093
Speaker 16: I've got nothing against wafts, I've got nothing against.

718
00:34:07,013 --> 00:34:09,373
Speaker 6: Jo It is what it is.

719
00:34:09,973 --> 00:34:14,212
Speaker 16: But jeez, you know, if the old road us the charges, mate,

720
00:34:14,253 --> 00:34:14,933
Speaker 16: what a cash care?

721
00:34:15,573 --> 00:34:17,373
Speaker 3: What do they do over nausie? So there's no such

722
00:34:17,413 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 3: thing as rus and AUSSI.

723
00:34:19,973 --> 00:34:23,373
Speaker 16: No, just go and fill up, bug off your read

724
00:34:23,453 --> 00:34:29,453
Speaker 16: Joe is darra In some circumstances like again some of

725
00:34:29,573 --> 00:34:32,013
Speaker 16: the here you've got V eight or full so on

726
00:34:32,093 --> 00:34:36,613
Speaker 16: the diesel whatever. So those charges vary, but I can't

727
00:34:36,653 --> 00:34:39,213
Speaker 16: remember now with regards to the big trucks and so forth.

728
00:34:39,293 --> 00:34:42,212
Speaker 16: But you know, look, it's you go to the pump,

729
00:34:42,293 --> 00:34:44,693
Speaker 16: you fill up your bugger off. And yeah, if you

730
00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:46,413
Speaker 16: pay for it down the track, you pay for it

731
00:34:46,493 --> 00:34:48,413
Speaker 16: down the track, so be it. But spend it wisely.

732
00:34:48,493 --> 00:34:48,732
Speaker 6: Guys.

733
00:34:49,293 --> 00:34:50,853
Speaker 16: You know you're getting a lot of money out of

734
00:34:50,893 --> 00:34:55,173
Speaker 16: those diesel pumps, and you know we could go on

735
00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:58,013
Speaker 16: about that forever and day. But yeah, I don't know

736
00:34:58,693 --> 00:35:01,413
Speaker 16: logically speaking, you would do that. That's my view only,

737
00:35:01,493 --> 00:35:03,413
Speaker 16: all right, thank.

738
00:35:03,253 --> 00:35:05,653
Speaker 2: You for your course, Jewey. I mean, for me, the

739
00:35:05,773 --> 00:35:10,013
Speaker 2: main problem for it is Edmund, because I am bad

740
00:35:10,173 --> 00:35:12,652
Speaker 2: at admind. I'm a busy man. I've got a lot

741
00:35:12,773 --> 00:35:15,013
Speaker 2: on I've got to do four hours of work a

742
00:35:15,133 --> 00:35:17,373
Speaker 2: day on the show. Yeah, I don't have life, man,

743
00:35:18,693 --> 00:35:20,732
Speaker 2: I've got test cricket to watch. I don't have time.

744
00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:24,252
Speaker 2: I don't have time for paying my roadies and charges

745
00:35:24,293 --> 00:35:26,293
Speaker 2: in advance. I'll forget and I'll get pained.

746
00:35:26,813 --> 00:35:28,533
Speaker 3: Well, now that you think about it, when I paid

747
00:35:28,613 --> 00:35:32,172
Speaker 3: my rucks, I don't have any clue how much I've

748
00:35:32,213 --> 00:35:34,692
Speaker 3: actually paid. So I know I've got my week ticket

749
00:35:34,693 --> 00:35:36,293
Speaker 3: in front of me. You're quite right. If I get

750
00:35:36,293 --> 00:35:38,973
Speaker 3: pulled over by the cop in five months time and

751
00:35:39,053 --> 00:35:41,613
Speaker 3: my rucks aren't up to date, and that's a high possibility,

752
00:35:41,853 --> 00:35:43,453
Speaker 3: high possibility, I want how much.

753
00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:45,893
Speaker 2: They factoring in that? How much money extra money they're

754
00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:48,453
Speaker 2: going to bring in from people forgetting Yeah, I mean

755
00:35:48,533 --> 00:35:51,173
Speaker 2: does that is that is that factored into to you

756
00:35:51,213 --> 00:35:53,732
Speaker 2: know the amount that you know the equations. There must

757
00:35:53,813 --> 00:35:56,693
Speaker 2: be a percentage that you can work across a population

758
00:35:56,813 --> 00:35:58,853
Speaker 2: that are useless at admind like me, that you're going

759
00:35:58,933 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 2: to get to paint.

760
00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:01,853
Speaker 3: So those fines go back to the roads as well. Yeah,

761
00:36:01,973 --> 00:36:06,173
Speaker 3: surefence those bad boys to Laurie. How are you?

762
00:36:07,453 --> 00:36:11,732
Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm good. I've come into this conversation a bit late,

763
00:36:11,893 --> 00:36:14,692
Speaker 18: but the globe there was going on that it's hard

764
00:36:14,813 --> 00:36:18,493
Speaker 18: to camper with a modern speedos odometer. I think he's

765
00:36:18,533 --> 00:36:23,893
Speaker 18: in for a bloody big shot. I've I've got a

766
00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:28,253
Speaker 18: simple bought online diagnostic tool and if you get the

767
00:36:28,373 --> 00:36:31,373
Speaker 18: right software, which you buy online, you can plug it

768
00:36:31,453 --> 00:36:34,173
Speaker 18: into your Ford Ranger and they ain't very common in

769
00:36:34,213 --> 00:36:37,413
Speaker 18: this country, and you can actually dial up. You can

770
00:36:37,573 --> 00:36:40,333
Speaker 18: dial up what odor metius you want and enter it

771
00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:41,413
Speaker 18: and an override the.

772
00:36:41,453 --> 00:36:45,293
Speaker 3: Dashboard display right right, change your name, haven't you, Lorry?

773
00:36:45,373 --> 00:36:46,493
Speaker 3: I mean this is a bold statement.

774
00:36:47,813 --> 00:36:54,453
Speaker 18: Yeah, because you haven't got a dial or a tumbler

775
00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:57,212
Speaker 18: or something to mechanically turn back it's digital to all

776
00:36:57,333 --> 00:36:58,813
Speaker 18: you do again to some info and.

777
00:36:59,493 --> 00:37:02,533
Speaker 3: Say yeah, but if you get caught lorry and you know,

778
00:37:02,813 --> 00:37:06,293
Speaker 3: if they see some anominalies and when you last got

779
00:37:06,333 --> 00:37:10,093
Speaker 3: your wife and what your domino was, and they catch

780
00:37:10,173 --> 00:37:11,773
Speaker 3: you out, you're kind of bugger, aren't you?

781
00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:12,973
Speaker 13: Oh?

782
00:37:13,093 --> 00:37:16,652
Speaker 18: You probably are. But I don't know. I don't own

783
00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:20,333
Speaker 18: a ranger. I've got four classics. So this might work

784
00:37:20,413 --> 00:37:22,813
Speaker 18: in my favor if it comes down and your pay

785
00:37:22,933 --> 00:37:26,733
Speaker 18: road users for a sunny Sunday car, for instance, it

786
00:37:26,893 --> 00:37:28,133
Speaker 18: might work in my favor.

787
00:37:28,213 --> 00:37:31,652
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if you if you're getting poorer,

788
00:37:31,773 --> 00:37:34,173
Speaker 2: if you're getting if you're going to pull up poorer mileage,

789
00:37:34,213 --> 00:37:36,213
Speaker 2: then surely logically you'll do better out of this.

790
00:37:38,133 --> 00:37:38,652
Speaker 6: But but.

791
00:37:42,693 --> 00:37:46,653
Speaker 2: But but so so with this, this these changing of

792
00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:50,973
Speaker 2: the dometer using software or whatever you're importing in is

793
00:37:51,053 --> 00:37:51,973
Speaker 2: that can can they tell?

794
00:37:52,133 --> 00:37:52,533
Speaker 6: Is there there?

795
00:37:52,693 --> 00:37:54,333
Speaker 2: Can they go in there and see that you've you've

796
00:37:54,413 --> 00:37:56,813
Speaker 2: done that if you if you got pinged over and inspected,

797
00:37:56,893 --> 00:37:58,732
Speaker 2: if you went through VT and Z, can they tell?

798
00:37:59,893 --> 00:38:01,813
Speaker 18: I wouldn't have a clue to be honest, I mean,

799
00:38:01,853 --> 00:38:05,813
Speaker 18: I know I've got who's got a diagnostic a diagnostic

800
00:38:05,933 --> 00:38:10,133
Speaker 18: gift like this, and yeah, I think everybody that he

801
00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:13,133
Speaker 18: knows willab we come around once a month and wind

802
00:38:13,173 --> 00:38:15,893
Speaker 18: it back of it the long as it increases between warrants.

803
00:38:18,253 --> 00:38:22,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, Laurie, thank you very much. Very interesting, Simon, how

804
00:38:22,933 --> 00:38:23,093
Speaker 3: are you?

805
00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:23,692
Speaker 15: Yeah?

806
00:38:23,973 --> 00:38:26,253
Speaker 19: Hi, So I've got quite a different take on it.

807
00:38:26,533 --> 00:38:29,813
Speaker 19: I think the road us the chargers should be abolished,

808
00:38:30,333 --> 00:38:33,172
Speaker 19: and the petrol tax should be abolished and the tax

809
00:38:33,333 --> 00:38:34,213
Speaker 19: put on the tires.

810
00:38:35,093 --> 00:38:35,253
Speaker 4: Right.

811
00:38:35,853 --> 00:38:38,293
Speaker 19: People seem to be forgetting that the tires are wearing

812
00:38:38,573 --> 00:38:42,373
Speaker 19: and causing a lot of environmental damage as well. And

813
00:38:43,053 --> 00:38:45,133
Speaker 19: I think if they put the and you can't hide

814
00:38:46,213 --> 00:38:49,973
Speaker 19: worn tires, you might be able to turn back your odometer,

815
00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:55,173
Speaker 19: but you can't. Your tires are visible by everyone.

816
00:38:55,293 --> 00:38:56,813
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking I saw the box. I'm just

817
00:38:56,813 --> 00:38:59,653
Speaker 2: trying to get my head around that. So yeah, because

818
00:38:59,653 --> 00:39:01,253
Speaker 2: when you go to your warrant a fitness and if

819
00:39:01,293 --> 00:39:04,533
Speaker 2: your tires are rooted for one of a bitter word,

820
00:39:04,653 --> 00:39:07,493
Speaker 2: then you have to replace the tires. So then your

821
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:11,453
Speaker 2: tireplace gets a big text on there. Yeah, I mean, jeez,

822
00:39:11,533 --> 00:39:13,813
Speaker 2: tires are so expensive here they are.

823
00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:17,293
Speaker 3: Well, the only offishal I can see in that, Simon,

824
00:39:17,413 --> 00:39:19,253
Speaker 3: is I like to try and get as much out

825
00:39:19,293 --> 00:39:21,533
Speaker 3: of my tires as I can. And you know, if

826
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:23,573
Speaker 3: I take it to the warrant and they say, well,

827
00:39:23,933 --> 00:39:26,933
Speaker 3: you're two millimeters under what we should take off, I'll

828
00:39:26,933 --> 00:39:28,493
Speaker 3: try and argue the point and say, well, come on,

829
00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:30,053
Speaker 3: you know I can get a few months more out

830
00:39:30,093 --> 00:39:30,333
Speaker 3: of those.

831
00:39:31,453 --> 00:39:35,773
Speaker 19: Yes, but yeah, maybe the police might think otherwise if

832
00:39:35,813 --> 00:39:40,253
Speaker 19: they see you driving on the road with worn tires.

833
00:39:40,453 --> 00:39:42,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know what Warre in

834
00:39:42,933 --> 00:39:44,933
Speaker 2: a fitness place, dodgy place you're going to where you

835
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:46,173
Speaker 2: get to negotiate.

836
00:39:46,373 --> 00:39:47,813
Speaker 3: But he's a good man.

837
00:39:48,533 --> 00:39:50,173
Speaker 2: Been to too many Warren places that I've got to

838
00:39:50,213 --> 00:39:51,093
Speaker 2: negotiate for a while.

839
00:39:51,213 --> 00:39:54,973
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, Simon, thank you very much. Right, good discussion.

840
00:39:55,013 --> 00:39:57,253
Speaker 3: I think that's where we'll leave it because we've got

841
00:39:57,493 --> 00:39:59,853
Speaker 3: a new topic on after two o'clock mets.

842
00:40:00,413 --> 00:40:05,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. We're going to talk about the subject

843
00:40:05,453 --> 00:40:09,013
Speaker 2: of ertification of the Internet, that dead net theory and

844
00:40:09,053 --> 00:40:11,453
Speaker 2: how things are getting worse and worse and worse.

845
00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:14,292
Speaker 3: Yeah, and before we get to the headlines, what's happening

846
00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:15,013
Speaker 3: in the cricket one.

847
00:40:14,933 --> 00:40:18,493
Speaker 2: Hundred and nineteen for two A ravishing revenger On thirty

848
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:22,573
Speaker 2: three steady the ship Willington on twenty eight. We're looking good,

849
00:40:22,653 --> 00:40:25,533
Speaker 2: although came Willison just got smashed right in the snares

850
00:40:26,053 --> 00:40:27,613
Speaker 2: or the delivery. But he looks all right.

851
00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:30,693
Speaker 3: He's a beautiful man, came Willimpson's a strong beard.

852
00:40:30,613 --> 00:40:31,212
Speaker 4: Strong beard.

853
00:40:31,293 --> 00:40:32,692
Speaker 2: He's got a very strong beard.

854
00:40:32,773 --> 00:40:32,973
Speaker 4: Game.

855
00:40:33,133 --> 00:40:35,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh we eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

856
00:40:35,733 --> 00:40:38,333
Speaker 3: is the numberical news, sport and weather on its way.

857
00:40:38,373 --> 00:40:40,733
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler, very very good afternoons.

858
00:40:40,813 --> 00:41:01,213
Speaker 4: You talking with you all afternoon.

859
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:04,973
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty

860
00:41:05,053 --> 00:41:07,013
Speaker 1: twenty four News Talk, said.

861
00:41:06,853 --> 00:41:11,493
Speaker 3: Bell afternoon, Welcome back into the show. Seven past two,

862
00:41:11,813 --> 00:41:14,853
Speaker 3: and our next topic is gonna be a doozy. It

863
00:41:15,013 --> 00:41:16,093
Speaker 3: was word of the year.

864
00:41:17,493 --> 00:41:19,333
Speaker 2: In certification. Before we go to that, I want to

865
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:21,573
Speaker 2: talk about the cricket. One hundred and twenty two for two.

866
00:41:22,173 --> 00:41:24,853
Speaker 2: Came Lesson just smashing of the four. He's thirty four

867
00:41:25,053 --> 00:41:29,293
Speaker 2: from eighty ravishing. Rickravender is on thirty four. So yeah,

868
00:41:29,293 --> 00:41:32,453
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty six for two. England won the

869
00:41:32,533 --> 00:41:35,533
Speaker 2: toss and put us in. So boy oh boy, that

870
00:41:35,733 --> 00:41:38,413
Speaker 2: is a pretty good start for New Zealand. You don't

871
00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:40,212
Speaker 2: want to put a side into bat and have them

872
00:41:40,253 --> 00:41:42,893
Speaker 2: go well, that's very demoralizing. So come on, it.

873
00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:45,652
Speaker 3: Looks like beautiful conditions down there in the garden city.

874
00:41:45,733 --> 00:41:48,973
Speaker 3: Hagley Oval, beautiful oval. We'll keep you up to date

875
00:41:49,053 --> 00:41:51,373
Speaker 3: with the cricket as the afternoon progresses. But yes, and

876
00:41:51,453 --> 00:41:56,413
Speaker 3: shitification word of the year according to Macquarie Dictionary. And

877
00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:58,053
Speaker 3: a lot of people have been chatting about this in

878
00:41:58,093 --> 00:42:00,453
Speaker 3: the last couple of days. Man, yeah, they certainly have.

879
00:42:00,893 --> 00:42:02,653
Speaker 2: And look we're going to we might start calling it

880
00:42:02,733 --> 00:42:05,533
Speaker 2: in grapification, so should we? Should we mix it up?

881
00:42:05,853 --> 00:42:08,013
Speaker 2: Because you know, there's some of our listeners. We've got

882
00:42:08,053 --> 00:42:11,493
Speaker 2: a huge listenership, but that the radio survey just said,

883
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:15,173
Speaker 2: and some of them might feel a little bit challenged

884
00:42:15,573 --> 00:42:18,212
Speaker 2: that much usage of the the S word.

885
00:42:18,373 --> 00:42:21,453
Speaker 3: We've used up our teally of that particular word. So

886
00:42:21,613 --> 00:42:23,213
Speaker 3: it's huge in crapification and.

887
00:42:23,293 --> 00:42:27,853
Speaker 2: Crapification, although in certification is better anyway. So this is

888
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:31,692
Speaker 2: how it works. This is how platforms die. Digital platforms die.

889
00:42:31,813 --> 00:42:35,533
Speaker 2: You know, your facebooks, your Googles, your your dating apps,

890
00:42:35,573 --> 00:42:40,453
Speaker 2: even Netflix, all these silicon value startups that come through

891
00:42:40,533 --> 00:42:43,533
Speaker 2: and become big and take over the world. So first

892
00:42:43,573 --> 00:42:46,053
Speaker 2: they are good to their users, then they abuse the

893
00:42:46,173 --> 00:42:48,413
Speaker 2: users to make things better for the business customers. We've

894
00:42:48,413 --> 00:42:51,133
Speaker 2: all seen this with Facebook. Finally they abuse those business

895
00:42:51,173 --> 00:42:54,013
Speaker 2: customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then

896
00:42:54,053 --> 00:42:57,173
Speaker 2: they die. It's called in crapification, and it is a

897
00:42:57,253 --> 00:43:00,773
Speaker 2: seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease

898
00:43:00,893 --> 00:43:03,333
Speaker 2: of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the

899
00:43:03,413 --> 00:43:05,853
Speaker 2: nature of a two sided market where a platform sits

900
00:43:05,893 --> 00:43:08,212
Speaker 2: between buyers and sellers and they hold each other. Hoss

901
00:43:08,933 --> 00:43:12,252
Speaker 2: are raking up ever ever larger share of the valley

902
00:43:12,293 --> 00:43:14,853
Speaker 2: that places between them. So if you think of Amazon,

903
00:43:14,933 --> 00:43:18,453
Speaker 2: for example, that's a class example. You know, they ran

904
00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:20,373
Speaker 2: a loss for a very long time to bring users in.

905
00:43:20,453 --> 00:43:25,813
Speaker 2: As soon as they're successful, they prioritize the marketplace, they

906
00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:27,573
Speaker 2: take money off there, and then they eventually take the

907
00:43:27,613 --> 00:43:29,453
Speaker 2: money for the shareholders, and it gets worse and worse

908
00:43:29,493 --> 00:43:33,853
Speaker 2: and worse. Look at Facebook. Facebook was all about getting

909
00:43:33,893 --> 00:43:37,053
Speaker 2: people on Facebook, and then they got addicted to Facebook,

910
00:43:37,253 --> 00:43:39,253
Speaker 2: and then they also got addicted to sharing pictures with

911
00:43:39,293 --> 00:43:41,613
Speaker 2: their family and knowing what's going on. So they were

912
00:43:41,693 --> 00:43:47,093
Speaker 2: on Facebook, and then they started just absolutely pumping you

913
00:43:47,213 --> 00:43:50,573
Speaker 2: full of ads and from and so basically became more

914
00:43:50,653 --> 00:43:53,053
Speaker 2: to the side of the business and to the and

915
00:43:53,533 --> 00:43:57,493
Speaker 2: for the businesses, what they used to share didn't didn't

916
00:43:57,613 --> 00:44:01,053
Speaker 2: get as much, you know, was throttled, and you paid

917
00:44:01,573 --> 00:44:04,653
Speaker 2: to boost what you're putting out there. So Facebook is

918
00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:05,533
Speaker 2: on the way down?

919
00:44:06,373 --> 00:44:08,693
Speaker 3: Do you think we're at peak and crepit? For k Now,

920
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:10,413
Speaker 3: it does feel like that when I look at Facebook,

921
00:44:10,413 --> 00:44:13,733
Speaker 3: and you mentioned that when it first started up, I

922
00:44:13,853 --> 00:44:15,613
Speaker 3: loved it, and I loved it for a long time

923
00:44:15,693 --> 00:44:18,493
Speaker 3: and I'm still on Facebook, but I think now it

924
00:44:18,733 --> 00:44:22,653
Speaker 3: has reached peak crapness. Well, just the amount of ads

925
00:44:22,693 --> 00:44:23,292
Speaker 3: on being fed.

926
00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:26,212
Speaker 2: Well, the concept of it is that all of these

927
00:44:26,293 --> 00:44:29,933
Speaker 2: businesses by their very nature will go that way because

928
00:44:30,053 --> 00:44:32,133
Speaker 2: of the process of trying to get as many people

929
00:44:32,213 --> 00:44:34,893
Speaker 2: involved as you can, so you seem like you're getting

930
00:44:34,893 --> 00:44:37,813
Speaker 2: a free, free product. It seems amazing. So they have

931
00:44:37,893 --> 00:44:39,573
Speaker 2: to make it incredibly good for you to get on,

932
00:44:39,613 --> 00:44:42,533
Speaker 2: to get their numbers up, subscribe numbers up or or

933
00:44:42,613 --> 00:44:45,053
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and then they have to make money

934
00:44:45,093 --> 00:44:47,733
Speaker 2: off you, So then they make the service much worse

935
00:44:47,893 --> 00:44:50,053
Speaker 2: for you in favor of the businesses to make money.

936
00:44:50,373 --> 00:44:52,973
Speaker 2: And then they make it worse for the businesses and

937
00:44:53,093 --> 00:44:55,732
Speaker 2: the people to make money for their shareholders. And then

938
00:44:55,773 --> 00:44:57,652
Speaker 2: it's just the process for all these things. You can

939
00:44:57,693 --> 00:45:00,212
Speaker 2: see it. Dating apps are a classic one that people

940
00:45:00,293 --> 00:45:02,053
Speaker 2: talking about now. They need to get as many users

941
00:45:02,053 --> 00:45:04,893
Speaker 2: on there, so there's many faces, so people could swipe

942
00:45:04,933 --> 00:45:09,573
Speaker 2: and swipe away and in the hope some love or

943
00:45:09,653 --> 00:45:14,053
Speaker 2: some action, swipe and swipe away. And then they need

944
00:45:14,133 --> 00:45:16,133
Speaker 2: to make money, so they try and get you to subscribe,

945
00:45:16,173 --> 00:45:18,733
Speaker 2: to pay more money, to pay money to be part

946
00:45:18,773 --> 00:45:21,213
Speaker 2: of the service, and then they throttle the normal service

947
00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:24,573
Speaker 2: just for the subscribers, and then they start throtting the

948
00:45:24,613 --> 00:45:27,133
Speaker 2: subscriber service once people are in there, and then the

949
00:45:27,253 --> 00:45:30,973
Speaker 2: whole thing is it's rubbish. And on dating apps there's

950
00:45:30,973 --> 00:45:34,893
Speaker 2: the other skewed incentive to keep people on there therefore

951
00:45:34,973 --> 00:45:36,732
Speaker 2: not do what they're supposed to do, because they want

952
00:45:36,773 --> 00:45:38,573
Speaker 2: you on there as a subscriber as long as you can,

953
00:45:39,053 --> 00:45:41,533
Speaker 2: so they are actually incentivized for you not to find

954
00:45:41,573 --> 00:45:43,613
Speaker 2: a partner on the apps now. So the apps, the

955
00:45:44,653 --> 00:45:47,533
Speaker 2: dating apps now are far far worse than they were

956
00:45:47,893 --> 00:45:48,493
Speaker 2: when they started.

957
00:45:48,613 --> 00:45:50,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, Netflix, you could argue would be another one that

958
00:45:51,173 --> 00:45:53,893
Speaker 3: they won, the streaming wars or certainly have done very

959
00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:56,533
Speaker 3: well out of it, got a lot of users to

960
00:45:56,613 --> 00:45:59,493
Speaker 3: their base, and got some sort of quasi monopoly on that.

961
00:46:00,093 --> 00:46:02,573
Speaker 3: Now they're starting to raise the prices they bring in

962
00:46:02,653 --> 00:46:05,253
Speaker 3: inn ads ads on a streaming service.

963
00:46:05,333 --> 00:46:07,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean with the ads, what happens is,

964
00:46:08,093 --> 00:46:10,333
Speaker 2: you know there's the ad the user. You know, you

965
00:46:10,413 --> 00:46:13,173
Speaker 2: pay ads, you get ads and you pay less, but

966
00:46:13,293 --> 00:46:15,813
Speaker 2: then then there's the there's the pause ads that you

967
00:46:15,933 --> 00:46:18,373
Speaker 2: get on things now, so so you know the service

968
00:46:18,413 --> 00:46:21,093
Speaker 2: does does get worse over time. But oh, eight hundred

969
00:46:21,093 --> 00:46:24,253
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty have you noticed this, and particularly

970
00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:27,733
Speaker 2: have you noticed this on Google? Because I would like

971
00:46:27,773 --> 00:46:30,133
Speaker 2: to hear people's thoughts on what's been happening with Google lately. Yeah,

972
00:46:30,253 --> 00:46:32,013
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two

973
00:46:32,013 --> 00:46:32,613
Speaker 2: is the text number.

974
00:46:32,733 --> 00:46:34,093
Speaker 3: It is twelve past two.

975
00:46:35,893 --> 00:46:40,613
Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon talkthen Tyler Adams afternoon call.

976
00:46:40,773 --> 00:46:43,453
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be

977
00:46:44,813 --> 00:46:45,493
Speaker 2: good afternoon.

978
00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:46,533
Speaker 3: It is a quarter past two.

979
00:46:46,813 --> 00:46:48,853
Speaker 9: No no no no, no no no no no.

980
00:46:49,373 --> 00:46:53,373
Speaker 2: Russian Revender is out New Zealand one hundred and thirty

981
00:46:53,573 --> 00:46:58,933
Speaker 2: one for three Mitchell on one Williamson on thirty eight. Boy,

982
00:46:59,053 --> 00:47:03,853
Speaker 2: we were looking really good. So Revendra has been caught

983
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:07,293
Speaker 2: out one hundred and thirty one for three. That's not

984
00:47:07,533 --> 00:47:08,013
Speaker 2: so good.

985
00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:11,773
Speaker 3: It's a big loss for the black Cats, but Williamson

986
00:47:11,853 --> 00:47:13,533
Speaker 3: is looking pretty good.

987
00:47:14,533 --> 00:47:16,893
Speaker 2: Be careful, be care for.

988
00:47:17,093 --> 00:47:17,652
Speaker 10: What you say.

989
00:47:18,413 --> 00:47:23,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're talking about in certification. That's the digital platforms.

990
00:47:23,533 --> 00:47:27,652
Speaker 2: Online platforms apps tend to get worse over time. First

991
00:47:27,653 --> 00:47:29,533
Speaker 2: they're good to the users, then they abuse the users

992
00:47:29,613 --> 00:47:31,573
Speaker 2: to make things better for business customers. Finally they abuse

993
00:47:31,613 --> 00:47:34,493
Speaker 2: those business customers to crawl back all the value themselves.

994
00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:36,933
Speaker 2: So have you noticed this? Have you noticed it on

995
00:47:37,053 --> 00:47:39,613
Speaker 2: Facebook at getting worse? Have you noticed Google getting worse?

996
00:47:39,653 --> 00:47:42,533
Speaker 2: Have you noticed the apps getting worse? People are complaining

997
00:47:42,573 --> 00:47:43,413
Speaker 2: about Airbnb.

998
00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:45,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one that I've noticed. So it was

999
00:47:46,093 --> 00:47:48,413
Speaker 3: when it first came to New Zealand and the world

1000
00:47:48,453 --> 00:47:50,413
Speaker 3: for that matter. It was a disruptor and you could

1001
00:47:50,453 --> 00:47:52,093
Speaker 3: get a really good deal when there were all these

1002
00:47:52,173 --> 00:47:55,613
Speaker 3: new places that opened up in fantastic little hideaways. But

1003
00:47:56,133 --> 00:47:59,333
Speaker 3: now that it's kind of established itself, they are charging

1004
00:47:59,453 --> 00:48:03,013
Speaker 3: nightly rates that are exceeding those of existing hotels. So

1005
00:48:03,093 --> 00:48:04,853
Speaker 3: you've got to pay the cleaning fee then you're going

1006
00:48:04,893 --> 00:48:08,173
Speaker 3: to pay the tax. Then sometimes these added fees chucked

1007
00:48:08,173 --> 00:48:10,893
Speaker 3: on there that I can't quite understand. So now I

1008
00:48:11,013 --> 00:48:13,453
Speaker 3: still love Airbnb, but quite often if I'm looking at

1009
00:48:13,493 --> 00:48:16,813
Speaker 3: a holiday, then I equal that up to what the

1010
00:48:16,853 --> 00:48:18,933
Speaker 3: hotel is charging and think I'm going to go hotel

1011
00:48:19,013 --> 00:48:21,053
Speaker 3: now because I don't have to play a cleaning fee.

1012
00:48:21,093 --> 00:48:23,493
Speaker 3: The cleaner comes in and sorts out my horrible mess

1013
00:48:23,773 --> 00:48:25,692
Speaker 3: in the hotel room, and I don't get punished by

1014
00:48:25,733 --> 00:48:29,413
Speaker 3: the Airbnb host saying you're a pig. And all these

1015
00:48:29,533 --> 00:48:31,413
Speaker 3: just added fees. But that's the point, isn't it. That

1016
00:48:31,533 --> 00:48:35,213
Speaker 3: they establish market dominance and then they start jacking up

1017
00:48:35,213 --> 00:48:35,653
Speaker 3: the price.

1018
00:48:36,373 --> 00:48:39,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a Airbnb a while ago because I

1019
00:48:39,213 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 2: just found it a little bit too stressful. You go there,

1020
00:48:41,533 --> 00:48:43,373
Speaker 2: there's a set of rules in the house. You're going

1021
00:48:43,413 --> 00:48:46,453
Speaker 2: into someone's place, whereas if you stay in a motel

1022
00:48:46,693 --> 00:48:49,973
Speaker 2: or a hotel, you know the rules, they have the

1023
00:48:50,053 --> 00:48:51,013
Speaker 2: same rules everywhere.

1024
00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:51,573
Speaker 15: You just go in.

1025
00:48:51,693 --> 00:48:53,693
Speaker 2: Then it's something peaceful about it. You don't have to

1026
00:48:53,773 --> 00:48:58,013
Speaker 2: clean up. And maybe Airbnb forced the hotel prices down.

1027
00:48:58,053 --> 00:49:02,893
Speaker 2: I know in the United States, hotels pivoted and they

1028
00:49:02,973 --> 00:49:06,733
Speaker 2: started having you know, putting more rooms that had kitchens

1029
00:49:06,773 --> 00:49:09,333
Speaker 2: in them and more of that kind of apartment style,

1030
00:49:11,133 --> 00:49:13,253
Speaker 2: you know, option in a hotel. So you kind of

1031
00:49:13,293 --> 00:49:15,053
Speaker 2: got that thing because some people don't want to have

1032
00:49:15,053 --> 00:49:17,133
Speaker 2: to go to a hotel eating restaurants. They want to

1033
00:49:17,133 --> 00:49:20,133
Speaker 2: cook and stuff for their family. But yeah, I mean

1034
00:49:20,173 --> 00:49:21,893
Speaker 2: I just went to too many. It's too much of

1035
00:49:21,973 --> 00:49:25,053
Speaker 2: a roll of the dice to go to a mbnb

1036
00:49:25,173 --> 00:49:25,373
Speaker 2: for me.

1037
00:49:25,573 --> 00:49:28,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you run an Airbnb, are you getting frustrated

1038
00:49:28,613 --> 00:49:31,493
Speaker 3: with these added charges that the platform is adding on

1039
00:49:31,773 --> 00:49:34,773
Speaker 3: for you? And I looked at a few airbnbs over

1040
00:49:34,853 --> 00:49:37,813
Speaker 3: summer up in Northland, and the nightly rate when you

1041
00:49:37,853 --> 00:49:39,613
Speaker 3: look on the platform as you're going through, looks all right,

1042
00:49:39,653 --> 00:49:41,253
Speaker 3: say one hundred and ninety eight per ninth them, Oh

1043
00:49:41,333 --> 00:49:43,013
Speaker 3: that looks good. Yeah, So then I book it for

1044
00:49:43,053 --> 00:49:44,533
Speaker 3: three nights and all of a sudden it's over a

1045
00:49:44,613 --> 00:49:46,533
Speaker 3: thousand bucks. So they hang on a minute, how did

1046
00:49:46,573 --> 00:49:49,013
Speaker 3: that happen? Yeah, So if you've got an Airbnb, that

1047
00:49:49,213 --> 00:49:52,013
Speaker 3: must be frustrating for you as a host to have

1048
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:55,253
Speaker 3: those extra fees added on and you've got to justify

1049
00:49:55,373 --> 00:49:55,933
Speaker 3: that to the client.

1050
00:49:56,453 --> 00:50:01,293
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, No, I've just kind of completely off Airbnb.

1051
00:50:01,413 --> 00:50:03,133
Speaker 2: It just puts me off the whole idea of a

1052
00:50:03,173 --> 00:50:06,333
Speaker 2: holiday like that. There's an add of stress that I'm

1053
00:50:06,413 --> 00:50:11,133
Speaker 2: not into. Talking about Google, that's another one. So if

1054
00:50:11,173 --> 00:50:14,253
Speaker 2: you search something in Google now, then you will just

1055
00:50:14,333 --> 00:50:16,013
Speaker 2: get If you're looking for a product on Google, you

1056
00:50:16,173 --> 00:50:20,053
Speaker 2: just get four hundred examples. And I've talked about this before.

1057
00:50:20,093 --> 00:50:24,093
Speaker 2: I will never buy anything from Tu. So and the

1058
00:50:24,413 --> 00:50:28,173
Speaker 2: reason why this happens is because these platforms are a

1059
00:50:28,253 --> 00:50:31,773
Speaker 2: free service. But what you realize of the time that

1060
00:50:31,893 --> 00:50:34,013
Speaker 2: you become the product that they sell to other people.

1061
00:50:34,693 --> 00:50:36,493
Speaker 2: So you think you're getting a free service on Google,

1062
00:50:36,573 --> 00:50:39,613
Speaker 2: and look, we're googling all the time, but if you're

1063
00:50:39,653 --> 00:50:42,693
Speaker 2: googling a product, that's when you become that. You become

1064
00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:46,373
Speaker 2: the product for Temu. And so whatever you're looking for,

1065
00:50:46,733 --> 00:50:48,653
Speaker 2: they will not give you what you're actually looking for.

1066
00:50:49,013 --> 00:50:50,933
Speaker 2: What they'll give you is what tu sells.

1067
00:50:51,093 --> 00:50:55,853
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, Sharon. You're an Airbnb host. Yes, that's correct,

1068
00:50:55,893 --> 00:50:58,733
Speaker 3: So we're nice to chat with you, so would you

1069
00:50:58,893 --> 00:51:01,853
Speaker 3: agree that And this is internationally not just a New Zealand,

1070
00:51:01,893 --> 00:51:05,613
Speaker 3: but Airbnb as a platform have started to introduce fees

1071
00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:09,893
Speaker 3: that they traditionally didn't have, and that is frustrating for

1072
00:51:09,973 --> 00:51:10,613
Speaker 3: some customers.

1073
00:51:11,813 --> 00:51:13,613
Speaker 20: Yeah, I actually, to be honest with you, I used

1074
00:51:13,613 --> 00:51:15,973
Speaker 20: to be an Airbnb host. Now I pull myself off

1075
00:51:16,013 --> 00:51:19,013
Speaker 20: the site and I do direct bookings. But yeah, Airbnb

1076
00:51:19,133 --> 00:51:20,773
Speaker 20: is getting a little bit of a best station in

1077
00:51:20,853 --> 00:51:24,293
Speaker 20: life as far as some hosts. The concern because they're

1078
00:51:24,333 --> 00:51:26,093
Speaker 20: putting all these charges on it that you know, and

1079
00:51:26,933 --> 00:51:28,533
Speaker 20: one of the charges that we have to pay is

1080
00:51:28,973 --> 00:51:33,453
Speaker 20: that GST under sixty thousand dollars that we earn. Yuba

1081
00:51:33,573 --> 00:51:37,133
Speaker 20: drivers do and ex give me all these fees that

1082
00:51:37,213 --> 00:51:41,573
Speaker 20: we've been loved with, and it is frustrating because a

1083
00:51:41,613 --> 00:51:44,172
Speaker 20: lot of them that we haven't imposed. So a lot

1084
00:51:44,213 --> 00:51:48,133
Speaker 20: of hosts actually don't charge cleaning fees any longer because

1085
00:51:48,173 --> 00:51:50,652
Speaker 20: you know, that was an outrage about that and fair enough,

1086
00:51:52,093 --> 00:51:53,813
Speaker 20: so you know, some people just build it into their

1087
00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:59,333
Speaker 20: nightly price. But yeah, it's just it's getting a difficult

1088
00:51:59,573 --> 00:52:03,253
Speaker 20: thing to platform to be on because you've got all

1089
00:52:03,293 --> 00:52:07,013
Speaker 20: these things taxes, GST, cleaning seas.

1090
00:52:06,733 --> 00:52:08,853
Speaker 14: And it really raps the nightly rate up.

1091
00:52:09,053 --> 00:52:11,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as a host, I suppose there's there's not

1092
00:52:12,133 --> 00:52:14,653
Speaker 3: much you can do. Share and when Airbnb is a

1093
00:52:14,693 --> 00:52:18,252
Speaker 3: digital platform, introduces a new fee or a new rule

1094
00:52:18,973 --> 00:52:21,573
Speaker 3: and you don't like that, you go back to complain

1095
00:52:21,653 --> 00:52:23,933
Speaker 3: to them. You're pretty much just shouting at air aren't you.

1096
00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:25,692
Speaker 3: At that point I imagine it's very hard to get

1097
00:52:25,693 --> 00:52:26,453
Speaker 3: a hold of anybody.

1098
00:52:27,733 --> 00:52:31,573
Speaker 20: Yeah, well, you know, we do have host club type

1099
00:52:31,613 --> 00:52:34,453
Speaker 20: things where it gets discussed and certain people can put

1100
00:52:34,533 --> 00:52:37,453
Speaker 20: that issue to AIRBND, But because there's such a broad

1101
00:52:37,533 --> 00:52:43,493
Speaker 20: and a big corporation organization, they don't really take any

1102
00:52:43,573 --> 00:52:45,853
Speaker 20: notice of it. I mean, strictly speaking, they're just a

1103
00:52:45,893 --> 00:52:48,813
Speaker 20: book booking platform. They don't own our properties, although you

1104
00:52:48,893 --> 00:52:52,853
Speaker 20: think there would the way they demand. But you know,

1105
00:52:53,413 --> 00:52:56,613
Speaker 20: it does get very frustrating because you don't necessarily have

1106
00:52:56,773 --> 00:53:02,533
Speaker 20: a voice as such. Individually host clubs or associations you

1107
00:53:02,613 --> 00:53:07,613
Speaker 20: could possibly which you know troubles too, but even then

1108
00:53:08,533 --> 00:53:10,893
Speaker 20: they really don't do anything about it.

1109
00:53:12,493 --> 00:53:14,773
Speaker 3: And it goes back just just going back to the

1110
00:53:14,893 --> 00:53:17,733
Speaker 3: origin of this topic, share and in crapification, let's call it.

1111
00:53:18,493 --> 00:53:20,533
Speaker 3: I mean, do you do think there is some element

1112
00:53:20,653 --> 00:53:22,893
Speaker 3: there when you look at the likes of Airbnb and

1113
00:53:23,093 --> 00:53:25,453
Speaker 3: some of those other digital platforms that it started off

1114
00:53:25,533 --> 00:53:28,013
Speaker 3: with with so much hope and promise that it's going

1115
00:53:28,053 --> 00:53:30,093
Speaker 3: to be a better deal for the small guy. Then

1116
00:53:30,173 --> 00:53:33,093
Speaker 3: slowly but surely, they're turning it into a product that

1117
00:53:33,293 --> 00:53:34,253
Speaker 3: is anti consumer.

1118
00:53:35,853 --> 00:53:36,413
Speaker 17: Yeah, definitely.

1119
00:53:36,493 --> 00:53:38,813
Speaker 20: I've been a host for fifteen years. I've been hosted

1120
00:53:38,973 --> 00:53:41,813
Speaker 20: two thousand and nine, and it's not the business that

1121
00:53:41,973 --> 00:53:45,493
Speaker 20: used to be. It was wonderful, it was great. You know,

1122
00:53:45,693 --> 00:53:47,692
Speaker 20: you just got people booking and then it was all

1123
00:53:47,773 --> 00:53:50,053
Speaker 20: wonderful and you didn't have all these extra things, all

1124
00:53:50,133 --> 00:53:54,453
Speaker 20: this things forced upon you that they now try and do.

1125
00:53:55,293 --> 00:53:56,573
Speaker 8: And it was just so easy.

1126
00:53:56,693 --> 00:54:00,133
Speaker 20: But now they seem to complicate it when they doesn't

1127
00:54:00,213 --> 00:54:01,293
Speaker 20: need to be complicated.

1128
00:54:02,053 --> 00:54:02,252
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1129
00:54:02,293 --> 00:54:04,173
Speaker 2: I guess the thing with these big companies, right is

1130
00:54:04,213 --> 00:54:06,653
Speaker 2: they start off and they run huge losses for it.

1131
00:54:06,733 --> 00:54:08,893
Speaker 2: For the longest time, Amazon was one and on all

1132
00:54:08,973 --> 00:54:12,293
Speaker 2: these all these companies do. They run huge losses and

1133
00:54:12,573 --> 00:54:15,453
Speaker 2: that's how they get people on board. And so Airbnb

1134
00:54:15,613 --> 00:54:18,053
Speaker 2: works for a while while the company is losing money.

1135
00:54:18,093 --> 00:54:20,453
Speaker 2: But as soon as they try and you know, and

1136
00:54:20,653 --> 00:54:23,413
Speaker 2: and and they're taking business off hotels that obviously lose

1137
00:54:23,453 --> 00:54:24,973
Speaker 2: a lot of money because you know, they cost a

1138
00:54:24,973 --> 00:54:26,373
Speaker 2: lot of money to run. They got out their buildings,

1139
00:54:26,373 --> 00:54:27,933
Speaker 2: are going to have everything, they got, employe people, all

1140
00:54:27,933 --> 00:54:31,653
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But then these companies realize that

1141
00:54:31,773 --> 00:54:34,133
Speaker 2: at some point they can't keep losing money, they have

1142
00:54:34,173 --> 00:54:36,333
Speaker 2: to make make money. And as soon as they start

1143
00:54:36,413 --> 00:54:39,253
Speaker 2: doing that, then they come in line with the actual

1144
00:54:39,373 --> 00:54:43,213
Speaker 2: old businesses that were there, and then they become generally

1145
00:54:43,293 --> 00:54:45,573
Speaker 2: become worse than the businesses that they were there before.

1146
00:54:46,813 --> 00:54:48,893
Speaker 20: Yeah, well that's true. I mean you say about taking

1147
00:54:48,973 --> 00:54:53,333
Speaker 20: business off hotels, that's only airbnbs that are in central cities. Yeah,

1148
00:54:53,453 --> 00:54:57,173
Speaker 20: like my abb there's no there's no hotel for fifty kilometers, so.

1149
00:54:58,773 --> 00:55:00,773
Speaker 2: Business, Well, what about book have you?

1150
00:55:00,893 --> 00:55:00,933
Speaker 13: Have?

1151
00:55:01,053 --> 00:55:01,093
Speaker 12: You?

1152
00:55:01,293 --> 00:55:03,933
Speaker 2: Have you done? Booker batch and other things like that.

1153
00:55:04,253 --> 00:55:07,053
Speaker 20: Are used to but no, once they got brought out

1154
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:09,973
Speaker 20: by that are the I can't meany their name. Now

1155
00:55:10,053 --> 00:55:12,213
Speaker 20: they got brought out by an overseas company that just

1156
00:55:12,253 --> 00:55:14,253
Speaker 20: went down to when they were in a New Zealand company,

1157
00:55:14,493 --> 00:55:15,973
Speaker 20: they were fantastic.

1158
00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:18,732
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but not any longer. And that's another that's

1159
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:20,533
Speaker 2: another part of it as well, sharing is that these

1160
00:55:20,573 --> 00:55:24,293
Speaker 2: aren't New Zealand companies, so all the money's going offshore.

1161
00:55:24,893 --> 00:55:27,413
Speaker 2: And as you say, and as you say, it's completely impersonal.

1162
00:55:27,653 --> 00:55:30,373
Speaker 2: You don't have any you can't ring anyone, you can't

1163
00:55:30,373 --> 00:55:32,613
Speaker 2: talk about anything, you can't debate anything with them. It's

1164
00:55:32,693 --> 00:55:33,973
Speaker 2: just it's just is what it is.

1165
00:55:35,093 --> 00:55:35,253
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1166
00:55:35,253 --> 00:55:39,172
Speaker 20: Well sometimes you don't they don't even pay you. That's

1167
00:55:39,253 --> 00:55:41,533
Speaker 20: just a nightmare when you're just a small business trying

1168
00:55:41,573 --> 00:55:42,493
Speaker 20: to earn a small limit.

1169
00:55:42,693 --> 00:55:42,853
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1170
00:55:42,933 --> 00:55:45,533
Speaker 3: So when you sorry to jump in there, Sharon, when

1171
00:55:45,533 --> 00:55:47,733
Speaker 3: you said before that you're you used to be an

1172
00:55:47,773 --> 00:55:49,853
Speaker 3: Airbnb host, I take it that you've still got a

1173
00:55:49,893 --> 00:55:51,733
Speaker 3: property that you rent out what you just do it

1174
00:55:51,813 --> 00:55:54,453
Speaker 3: on by yourself, or you're using a new platform now.

1175
00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:58,333
Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm now a member of the New Zealand Bed

1176
00:55:58,373 --> 00:56:02,053
Speaker 20: and Breakfast Association. I also have my own Instagram page,

1177
00:56:02,173 --> 00:56:04,333
Speaker 20: Facebook page, got sign at the end of the road

1178
00:56:04,813 --> 00:56:07,692
Speaker 20: and we just take direct bookings. It's just a lot

1179
00:56:07,813 --> 00:56:10,253
Speaker 20: less half the because I can't be bothered. I mean

1180
00:56:10,693 --> 00:56:12,893
Speaker 20: now on days you get a lot of entitled people,

1181
00:56:13,773 --> 00:56:16,693
Speaker 20: particularly through Airbnb, and they just they just ruined you

1182
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:18,733
Speaker 20: them actually ruin your business.

1183
00:56:19,013 --> 00:56:20,413
Speaker 6: Yeah, through petty.

1184
00:56:20,173 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 20: Things, and a lot of people are very petty and

1185
00:56:23,373 --> 00:56:26,253
Speaker 20: they you know, and then you're trying to strive to

1186
00:56:26,333 --> 00:56:28,293
Speaker 20: be super hosts. I don't know why, because it's a

1187
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:30,613
Speaker 20: complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned, you know,

1188
00:56:30,773 --> 00:56:33,173
Speaker 20: And the little thing can bump you down off the

1189
00:56:33,253 --> 00:56:35,893
Speaker 20: list of being a super host, and you know it's

1190
00:56:36,053 --> 00:56:39,253
Speaker 20: just people tied up and not just to get the

1191
00:56:39,333 --> 00:56:41,333
Speaker 20: good reviews. I mean it's just awful.

1192
00:56:41,653 --> 00:56:45,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sharon, thank you very much. That is in certification

1193
00:56:46,293 --> 00:56:48,533
Speaker 3: right there in a nutshell. Oh eight one hundred and

1194
00:56:48,613 --> 00:56:50,653
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Love to hear from you on this

1195
00:56:50,733 --> 00:56:53,693
Speaker 3: if you are an Airbnb host or indeed Uber drivers.

1196
00:56:53,773 --> 00:56:56,573
Speaker 3: You know, Uber is another platform that has been argued

1197
00:56:56,573 --> 00:57:00,933
Speaker 3: as in crapification that when they brought in surge pricing

1198
00:57:01,053 --> 00:57:04,453
Speaker 3: and again they came into a city, they didn't abide

1199
00:57:04,493 --> 00:57:07,533
Speaker 3: by the local legislation and the by laws. They put

1200
00:57:07,573 --> 00:57:10,053
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on traditional taxi companies. Then they

1201
00:57:10,173 --> 00:57:11,013
Speaker 3: jacked up the price.

1202
00:57:11,253 --> 00:57:13,533
Speaker 2: And coming up next, we've got someone here that's putting

1203
00:57:13,573 --> 00:57:16,973
Speaker 2: the boot into those dirty bastards at Instagram Zuckerberg.

1204
00:57:17,773 --> 00:57:20,013
Speaker 3: It is twenty five past two.

1205
00:57:24,893 --> 00:57:28,573
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1206
00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:30,053
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk.

1207
00:57:29,973 --> 00:57:33,213
Speaker 3: ZB News Talks AB twenty seven past two, crick.

1208
00:57:33,093 --> 00:57:36,293
Speaker 2: Ad one hundred and forty six for three Mitchell's on three,

1209
00:57:36,493 --> 00:57:41,373
Speaker 2: Williamson on fifty one. We're talking about in certification This

1210
00:57:41,573 --> 00:57:45,133
Speaker 2: is how platforms are the life, the life of a

1211
00:57:45,213 --> 00:57:47,933
Speaker 2: digital platform. First they're good to their abusers. Then they

1212
00:57:47,973 --> 00:57:50,853
Speaker 2: abuse their users to make things better for their business customers. Finally,

1213
00:57:50,853 --> 00:57:53,613
Speaker 2: they abuse their business customers to crawl back all the

1214
00:57:53,733 --> 00:57:55,733
Speaker 2: value for themselves. We've just been talking a lot about

1215
00:57:55,773 --> 00:58:03,693
Speaker 2: Airbnb and how it has become entrapified Instagram. Here, good afternoon, guys.

1216
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:07,293
Speaker 2: I have a nitwear business, sisters that knit dot com.

1217
00:58:07,573 --> 00:58:10,693
Speaker 2: I'll check that out. Sounds nice on Instagram. And to

1218
00:58:10,733 --> 00:58:13,173
Speaker 2: boost a post now you have to have pre paid

1219
00:58:13,213 --> 00:58:16,973
Speaker 2: funds available. Plus Meta now charge extra thirty percent fee

1220
00:58:17,053 --> 00:58:20,613
Speaker 2: each time you boost. It's simply not cost effective anymore.

1221
00:58:20,893 --> 00:58:23,133
Speaker 2: That's the thing. So they have a service and then

1222
00:58:23,173 --> 00:58:25,493
Speaker 2: they charge for it, and then they throttle that service

1223
00:58:25,533 --> 00:58:28,693
Speaker 2: that they're now charging for and you can't not use

1224
00:58:28,773 --> 00:58:30,973
Speaker 2: the service, and the service gets worse and worse, and

1225
00:58:31,013 --> 00:58:32,773
Speaker 2: they milk you more and more. Once they've got all

1226
00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:34,853
Speaker 2: the users on there, they've got everyone there, and then

1227
00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:36,893
Speaker 2: they use you. You become the product.

1228
00:58:37,493 --> 00:58:38,373
Speaker 3: It's dirty, isn't it.

1229
00:58:38,453 --> 00:58:40,973
Speaker 2: And then it flips over and then they start screwing

1230
00:58:40,973 --> 00:58:43,133
Speaker 2: the businesses that are spending money on there, Like the

1231
00:58:43,213 --> 00:58:44,893
Speaker 2: good people at sisters that knit dot com.

1232
00:58:45,013 --> 00:58:49,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you complain about it, Instagram does not care. Carolyn.

1233
00:58:49,253 --> 00:58:53,453
Speaker 3: You used to have an Airbnb, Yeah, it was.

1234
00:58:53,653 --> 00:58:55,093
Speaker 21: We live in a beautiful place in the world called

1235
00:58:55,093 --> 00:58:58,893
Speaker 21: Maunga Fi Heads. Of course, there's a lovely we spot

1236
00:58:58,973 --> 00:59:02,653
Speaker 21: up here actually, which is down by the beach, and

1237
00:59:02,893 --> 00:59:04,413
Speaker 21: a lot of a lot of the locals do the

1238
00:59:04,533 --> 00:59:07,253
Speaker 21: l Airbnb thing. I give you a bit more in common,

1239
00:59:07,293 --> 00:59:09,533
Speaker 21: but some paces, but it's just got to a bit

1240
00:59:09,573 --> 00:59:13,333
Speaker 21: of a joke. We used to have the speciality of

1241
00:59:13,373 --> 00:59:16,253
Speaker 21: actually having a one night's stay. So you'd have somebody

1242
00:59:16,373 --> 00:59:19,293
Speaker 21: arrive at say like ten past three, because checking the

1243
00:59:19,413 --> 00:59:21,733
Speaker 21: three o'clock, and they're gone by the next morning at eleven,

1244
00:59:22,533 --> 00:59:23,893
Speaker 21: And then you'd pretty much pick it up.

1245
00:59:23,853 --> 00:59:24,413
Speaker 14: And turn it over.

1246
00:59:24,653 --> 00:59:27,493
Speaker 21: Do three lots of sheets, do the bathroom sterilize the bathroom,

1247
00:59:27,533 --> 00:59:29,613
Speaker 21: clean the floors, clean out the throat, do the microwave,

1248
00:59:29,893 --> 00:59:34,093
Speaker 21: clean the barbecue, et cetera, et cetera. And I could

1249
00:59:34,133 --> 00:59:35,853
Speaker 21: I could pretty much put it off in about two

1250
00:59:35,933 --> 00:59:37,733
Speaker 21: hours and twenty minutes if I was pretty much on

1251
00:59:37,813 --> 00:59:39,373
Speaker 21: my game with a couple of these and a coffee,

1252
00:59:40,813 --> 00:59:44,213
Speaker 21: and if somebody paid for that night, and say because

1253
00:59:44,213 --> 00:59:46,693
Speaker 21: we have a queen's eyzed bed with a small catching

1254
00:59:46,693 --> 00:59:49,493
Speaker 21: net and also two single beds and a separate room,

1255
00:59:50,013 --> 00:59:54,213
Speaker 21: private lockoff, private entry, private bathroom. If we would get

1256
00:59:54,293 --> 00:59:56,253
Speaker 21: say two hundred and twenty dollars a night for that,

1257
00:59:56,933 --> 00:59:59,133
Speaker 21: we'd end up for one night's stay, pulling into our

1258
00:59:59,133 --> 01:00:01,653
Speaker 21: account one hundred and forty two to fifty. Now that's

1259
01:00:01,693 --> 01:00:03,413
Speaker 21: a lot of work for one hundred and forty two.

1260
01:00:03,293 --> 01:00:06,493
Speaker 3: Fifty yeh care. So how much do EBMB get out

1261
01:00:06,533 --> 01:00:06,653
Speaker 3: of that?

1262
01:00:08,853 --> 01:00:12,813
Speaker 21: Well, obviously there the person who's staying is obviously paying

1263
01:00:12,853 --> 01:00:15,293
Speaker 21: at their end, and we're obviously playing at our end.

1264
01:00:15,853 --> 01:00:18,573
Speaker 21: So somewhere in the middle there's about sixty eight dollars,

1265
01:00:18,613 --> 01:00:20,773
Speaker 21: which is because obviously the other guy's pay as well,

1266
01:00:21,053 --> 01:00:25,573
Speaker 21: there's about seventy dollars overhead across the board that basically

1267
01:00:25,613 --> 01:00:27,093
Speaker 21: gets lost between the two parties.

1268
01:00:27,973 --> 01:00:30,893
Speaker 3: So the only one to here is Airbnb. Both the

1269
01:00:31,013 --> 01:00:33,373
Speaker 3: customer and you are getting shafted here.

1270
01:00:34,253 --> 01:00:36,133
Speaker 21: So we're getting shafted as well as that because they're

1271
01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:39,013
Speaker 21: obviously now brought in the GST thing, which is fine.

1272
01:00:39,293 --> 01:00:41,093
Speaker 21: So then what you've also got to do on top

1273
01:00:41,133 --> 01:00:44,173
Speaker 21: of that is obviously there's again you've then got to

1274
01:00:44,213 --> 01:00:46,293
Speaker 21: do your GST text at the end of every three months,

1275
01:00:46,293 --> 01:00:47,773
Speaker 21: and you've got your text returns to do and all

1276
01:00:47,773 --> 01:00:49,413
Speaker 21: the rest of it. So by the time that you

1277
01:00:49,533 --> 01:00:51,933
Speaker 21: find find an accountant that you want to do it

1278
01:00:51,973 --> 01:00:53,893
Speaker 21: properly and you've got to pay your accountant might say

1279
01:00:53,933 --> 01:00:57,413
Speaker 21: three K year, it's not it doesn't work out worthwhile.

1280
01:00:58,613 --> 01:01:00,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a lot of stress and a

1281
01:01:00,973 --> 01:01:03,133
Speaker 2: lot of work to not make very much money.

1282
01:01:03,893 --> 01:01:04,373
Speaker 15: Yeah, it is.

1283
01:01:04,773 --> 01:01:07,053
Speaker 21: And you know, if you look on the site, and

1284
01:01:07,173 --> 01:01:09,653
Speaker 21: we were basically pricing it ourselves like everybody else was

1285
01:01:09,693 --> 01:01:11,093
Speaker 21: as well, you know, so we're all trying to make

1286
01:01:11,133 --> 01:01:13,253
Speaker 21: a dollar. We're all trying to support each other. We

1287
01:01:13,333 --> 01:01:16,373
Speaker 21: had friends that actually had the look, we're full for

1288
01:01:16,453 --> 01:01:18,173
Speaker 21: that night, but we can put you onto these guys

1289
01:01:18,293 --> 01:01:20,653
Speaker 21: or whatever. And there was all that sort of other stuff.

1290
01:01:20,693 --> 01:01:23,853
Speaker 21: But I mean, again, you know, like between the washing

1291
01:01:24,013 --> 01:01:26,253
Speaker 21: and of course up here and Munga five, like no

1292
01:01:26,373 --> 01:01:28,893
Speaker 21: one's on everyone's on tank water, so your water is

1293
01:01:28,933 --> 01:01:31,693
Speaker 21: your gold. So you'd have to do like maybe like two,

1294
01:01:31,773 --> 01:01:34,573
Speaker 21: maybe like three loads of washing to cover your queen

1295
01:01:34,653 --> 01:01:37,053
Speaker 21: size sheets, your pillar cases, your two single beds, your

1296
01:01:37,093 --> 01:01:38,813
Speaker 21: two pile outs, all that sort of other stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call, Caroline. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound good it to me at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'd have actually pulled out at the two and a

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Speaker 2: half hours cleaning to start with. Hey guys, this came

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Speaker 2: through on nine two, nine and two, just to clarify

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Speaker 2: around when we were at the text I read out before.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, please let your listeners know because it has

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01:01:57,253 --> 01:01:59,693
Speaker 2: caught me out quite a few times as well. The

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Speaker 2: Instagram fee charge for ads now is an Apple fee,

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01:02:03,813 --> 01:02:06,613
Speaker 2: and if you use Instagram dot com instead of the app,

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01:02:06,693 --> 01:02:08,653
Speaker 2: you don't pay it. That's I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a good work around, isn't it.

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01:02:10,013 --> 01:02:12,253
Speaker 2: Thanks for the public service announcement, Robert.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear from

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Speaker 3: you on the incrapification of digital platforms, whether that's Airbnb

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01:02:19,173 --> 01:02:20,933
Speaker 3: and we're getting a lot of hosts coming through who

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Speaker 3: used to be Airbnb hosts and no longer. But also

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Speaker 3: we want to talk about dating apps ender. What else

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01:02:28,133 --> 01:02:31,413
Speaker 3: is out Bambo? Well, I mean that has turned, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: There's another one grinder out there as well, certainly is

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Speaker 2: and there's another one that I'm thinking hinge hinge.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what they do is they get you on there

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Speaker 2: looking for love or whatever else you're into, and then

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01:02:44,293 --> 01:02:47,613
Speaker 2: they make you subscribe to get the full service, and

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01:02:47,693 --> 01:02:49,413
Speaker 2: then they choke the rest of the service, and then

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01:02:49,453 --> 01:02:51,213
Speaker 2: they choke the subscribing. That's how they do it. And

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Speaker 2: then they are incentivized to keep you not finding love,

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Speaker 2: to keep money money.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. It is

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Speaker 3: twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 4: US talks. There'd be headlines what blue bubble taxis?

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Speaker 13: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The first phase

1333
01:03:10,493 --> 01:03:13,213
Speaker 13: of the report into the COVID response has been handed

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01:03:13,253 --> 01:03:17,613
Speaker 13: to Internal Affairs Minister Brook van Velden. The inquiry's outgoing

1335
01:03:17,773 --> 01:03:22,333
Speaker 13: chair says they received thirteen thousand submissions. The Prime Minister

1336
01:03:22,573 --> 01:03:28,213
Speaker 13: is promising constant and transparent communication over slightly elevated arsenic

1337
01:03:28,333 --> 01:03:32,213
Speaker 13: levels in water from waikatl River and repeated assurances the

1338
01:03:32,293 --> 01:03:35,573
Speaker 13: water is safe to drink. More tests are due back today,

1339
01:03:36,573 --> 01:03:39,853
Speaker 13: relief and construction and predictions of more confidence in the

1340
01:03:39,933 --> 01:03:43,493
Speaker 13: sector after yesterday's o CR cut, bringing it to four

1341
01:03:43,573 --> 01:03:48,213
Speaker 13: point two five percent. A woman's confronted police monitoring a

1342
01:03:48,333 --> 01:03:52,413
Speaker 13: gang funeral in Toadonga, yelling at officers to park up

1343
01:03:52,453 --> 01:03:55,853
Speaker 13: the road afar no member says the Tangi at Hudia

1344
01:03:55,973 --> 01:04:00,653
Speaker 13: Muddy was peaceful with no gang patches worn. Sola zero

1345
01:04:00,853 --> 01:04:03,533
Speaker 13: customers have been told not to panic about the company's

1346
01:04:03,573 --> 01:04:07,613
Speaker 13: liquidation and have been assured their retail contracts with Genesis

1347
01:04:07,773 --> 01:04:13,453
Speaker 13: Energy off shoot Ecotricity are unaffected. Why David Seymour should

1348
01:04:13,493 --> 01:04:17,293
Speaker 13: walk away from the Associate minister role? Read to all

1349
01:04:17,373 --> 01:04:20,973
Speaker 13: Windpool's full column at Enzid Herald Premium. Back to matt

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01:04:21,053 --> 01:04:22,093
Speaker 13: Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean. We're talking about the decline

1352
01:04:25,013 --> 01:04:26,933
Speaker 3: of digital platforms. Is a word for it?

1353
01:04:27,293 --> 01:04:30,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, block your ears if you don't like dirty words.

1354
01:04:30,253 --> 01:04:31,453
Speaker 2: It's in shitification.

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Speaker 3: Sums it up though, didn't it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: First, digital platforms are good to the users. Then they

1358
01:04:36,373 --> 01:04:39,213
Speaker 2: abuse their users to make things better for their business customers.

1359
01:04:39,253 --> 01:04:42,013
Speaker 2: Finally they abuse their business cousins. Call things back. We've

1360
01:04:42,013 --> 01:04:44,773
Speaker 2: been talking a lot about Airbnb, both sides of it.

1361
01:04:44,813 --> 01:04:48,413
Speaker 2: People booking AIRBB and bb and Airbnb not liking the

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01:04:48,573 --> 01:04:52,213
Speaker 2: extra charges, and people running Airbnb's not liking the admin

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01:04:52,253 --> 01:04:53,693
Speaker 2: in the way things going. But I also want to

1364
01:04:53,693 --> 01:04:58,733
Speaker 2: talk about dating apps, because that's definitely happening there. Hi, boys,

1365
01:04:58,733 --> 01:05:02,013
Speaker 2: I met my missus of three years on Hinge. Back

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01:05:02,053 --> 01:05:03,853
Speaker 2: when I was on the app, there was no ads

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01:05:03,853 --> 01:05:06,453
Speaker 2: at all, but recently saw my mate's Tinder full of ads,

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01:05:06,453 --> 01:05:09,333
Speaker 2: which came as a huge surprise. Best blessed, blessed cheer boys,

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01:05:09,373 --> 01:05:12,533
Speaker 2: thanks for your text and congratulation on finding finding it

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01:05:12,613 --> 01:05:13,493
Speaker 2: and this good work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big thing, though, isn't it. I mean

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01:05:15,493 --> 01:05:17,973
Speaker 3: Tinder now is paid to play, same with whom, same

1373
01:05:18,013 --> 01:05:20,493
Speaker 3: with bumble. If you don't pay them money, you are

1374
01:05:20,573 --> 01:05:21,973
Speaker 3: not going to get legitimate matches.

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01:05:22,213 --> 01:05:25,493
Speaker 2: It's you're gonna get choked. Yeah yeah, yeah, what about

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01:05:25,533 --> 01:05:27,773
Speaker 2: the old I reckon get rid of the apps altogether.

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01:05:27,853 --> 01:05:30,093
Speaker 2: I think that's a terrible way to find love. Someone

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01:05:30,173 --> 01:05:33,133
Speaker 2: might someone and and look that's not how I've used it,

1379
01:05:33,253 --> 01:05:35,573
Speaker 2: so maybe I'm wrong, But it just seems everyone I

1380
01:05:35,693 --> 01:05:36,973
Speaker 2: talked to on there, it's just an.

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01:05:37,013 --> 01:05:38,773
Speaker 3: Absolute hellhole dumpsterify.

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Speaker 2: It's a dumpsterify of misery, you know. And I've talked

1383
01:05:43,893 --> 01:05:46,933
Speaker 2: to bar owners who say that because of the dating apps,

1384
01:05:47,733 --> 01:05:50,533
Speaker 2: people don't talk to each other anymore. They just go out.

1385
01:05:50,573 --> 01:05:53,213
Speaker 2: They're flicking their apps. They're going out, people going individual dates,

1386
01:05:53,533 --> 01:05:56,093
Speaker 2: but they tried and true proper key we weigh to

1387
01:05:56,213 --> 01:05:58,733
Speaker 2: meet someone, yeah, is to have a little bit of

1388
01:05:58,773 --> 01:06:00,693
Speaker 2: a chat when they're buying a drink and say hello,

1389
01:06:01,373 --> 01:06:04,333
Speaker 2: are you what are you up to and just starting

1390
01:06:04,373 --> 01:06:06,933
Speaker 2: a conversation. And then friend groups come together and you

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01:06:07,493 --> 01:06:10,453
Speaker 2: meet people that way. That if it wasn't for the apps,

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01:06:11,093 --> 01:06:13,653
Speaker 2: then that would still be going on because so many people,

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01:06:13,853 --> 01:06:16,013
Speaker 2: I mean so many people have met each other. We've

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01:06:16,013 --> 01:06:16,813
Speaker 2: all got on mom and dad.

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01:06:17,013 --> 01:06:22,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, system, the system used to work, David. Now you're

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01:06:22,613 --> 01:06:25,893
Speaker 3: an Airbnb host currently, yes I am.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is it still working for you?

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Speaker 15: Yes, it is.

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Speaker 17: I just losed about people ringing up about the GST content.

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01:06:34,853 --> 01:06:39,613
Speaker 17: WELLBMB didn't actually introduce that. That was introduced for Uber

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01:06:39,733 --> 01:06:42,693
Speaker 17: and AIRB and B type apps by the Labor government

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01:06:43,453 --> 01:06:46,893
Speaker 17: and then the national government rolled it in, so it

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01:06:47,053 --> 01:06:51,213
Speaker 17: wasn't actually YARBMB there. I've only been the host for

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01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:55,293
Speaker 17: two years, but their chargers will remained pretty much the

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01:06:55,373 --> 01:06:58,013
Speaker 17: same since we've been holed anyway, And so.

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Speaker 2: It's working out for you. You're you're you're making money

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01:07:00,573 --> 01:07:01,973
Speaker 2: and it's not too much for a hassle.

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Speaker 17: Absolutely, Well, it depends what you mean, not too much

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01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:08,893
Speaker 17: of a hassle. No, we have a We charge two

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01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:11,813
Speaker 17: fifty four cleaning feet. But we sleep ten people at

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01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:14,613
Speaker 17: our place, so when they go they at it as

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01:07:14,613 --> 01:07:17,213
Speaker 17: a big job to turn all the beds and bits

1414
01:07:17,213 --> 01:07:19,733
Speaker 17: and pieces over. But we just go down the Lord

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01:07:19,773 --> 01:07:21,493
Speaker 17: of Net and chuck it near thirty or forty bucks

1416
01:07:21,533 --> 01:07:24,573
Speaker 17: and that's done. You can whistle through the house in

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01:07:24,933 --> 01:07:27,573
Speaker 17: three or four hours and have it tidied up.

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Speaker 2: So, David, is it a place that you are in

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Speaker 2: sometimes and you airbnb when you're not there or is

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01:07:34,733 --> 01:07:36,013
Speaker 2: it just exclusively airbnb?

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01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:37,013
Speaker 6: No?

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01:07:37,373 --> 01:07:39,813
Speaker 17: No, we live in it, wife and I and then

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01:07:39,973 --> 01:07:42,493
Speaker 17: if we get boxings, we just move out, leave the

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01:07:42,533 --> 01:07:45,813
Speaker 17: whole house, so the whole house becomes vacant for the

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01:07:45,853 --> 01:07:47,693
Speaker 17: people that want to shift them. You know, if it's

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Speaker 17: if it's a crowd of eight or ten people, then

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01:07:51,093 --> 01:07:55,013
Speaker 17: you know, the rates pretty comparable to hotels or motel rooms.

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Speaker 2: Is it a lot though, because you have to sort

1429
01:07:57,813 --> 01:07:59,933
Speaker 2: of put away a bunch of personal effects and stuff

1430
01:08:00,133 --> 01:08:02,973
Speaker 2: and lock things up. Is that is that worth it

1431
01:08:03,053 --> 01:08:03,253
Speaker 2: for you?

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01:08:04,373 --> 01:08:04,533
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Well, we because there's only two of us at home.

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01:08:06,773 --> 01:08:09,453
Speaker 17: We we two years ago. We just put all our

1435
01:08:09,453 --> 01:08:13,773
Speaker 17: stuff away, all our personal stuff and put it in

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01:08:13,853 --> 01:08:15,613
Speaker 17: the garage. So we just locked the shed up and

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01:08:15,773 --> 01:08:19,612
Speaker 17: the guests have the house, so we don't. All we

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Speaker 17: do is living out of a suitcase and just traveling

1439
01:08:22,213 --> 01:08:25,652
Speaker 17: around when people we go to the lake or go

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01:08:25,853 --> 01:08:27,572
Speaker 17: somewhere for a weekend. It's quite good.

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Speaker 2: YEA nice on you.

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01:08:28,812 --> 01:08:32,252
Speaker 3: So the amount that you or gets charged to the customer,

1443
01:08:32,333 --> 01:08:34,852
Speaker 3: the people that use your house as an Airbnb, and

1444
01:08:35,053 --> 01:08:37,772
Speaker 3: you know how much the platform is charging. Does that

1445
01:08:37,893 --> 01:08:39,612
Speaker 3: hurt you a little bit, David, when you see how

1446
01:08:39,692 --> 01:08:42,333
Speaker 3: much goes into your bank account versus how much they've

1447
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Speaker 3: paid and how much goes to Airbnb.

1448
01:08:44,933 --> 01:08:48,812
Speaker 17: Yeah, there's about from memory, about two fifty a night

1449
01:08:49,853 --> 01:08:54,812
Speaker 17: that that we don't get and that's that's that's a

1450
01:08:54,893 --> 01:08:59,092
Speaker 17: GST content which an actual factors for guests pay fifteen

1451
01:08:59,173 --> 01:09:02,812
Speaker 17: percent and we retain eight percent of Look we get

1452
01:09:02,853 --> 01:09:06,932
Speaker 17: it back from the AIRBMB. I think so, but yeah,

1453
01:09:07,013 --> 01:09:09,492
Speaker 17: there is and they I think the commissions about just

1454
01:09:09,612 --> 01:09:13,772
Speaker 17: being decent with Feer Garden. They are providing the platform

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01:09:13,812 --> 01:09:15,812
Speaker 17: for people to book on. So you said it all up,

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01:09:15,893 --> 01:09:17,532
Speaker 17: you don't have to do anything, just tick a box.

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01:09:18,053 --> 01:09:20,972
Speaker 17: And they also provide insurance for your house, for your property,

1458
01:09:21,053 --> 01:09:24,213
Speaker 17: so if someone comes in and trashes it, I'll fix it,

1459
01:09:24,572 --> 01:09:28,772
Speaker 17: So you know it. I'n't any change that, you know,

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01:09:28,933 --> 01:09:31,932
Speaker 17: you never see. The guests are still booking, I guess,

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Speaker 17: so they must be happy.

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01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:34,173
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:09:34,853 --> 01:09:37,492
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, thank you so much for insights, David. So

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01:09:37,652 --> 01:09:40,093
Speaker 2: that's a positive Airbnb story. Yeah, I've had a whole

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01:09:40,093 --> 01:09:42,133
Speaker 2: lot of negative ones. So he doesn't believe in the

1466
01:09:42,572 --> 01:09:44,612
Speaker 2: certification theory on the Airbnb yep.

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Speaker 3: And we also were talking about dating apps. Plenty of

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01:09:47,652 --> 01:09:50,932
Speaker 3: teachts coming through on nine to nine two Get a guys.

1469
01:09:51,253 --> 01:09:54,532
Speaker 3: I split up with my long term partner a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago, and boy, oh boy, dating apps are

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Speaker 3: the worst. I barely get any matches, and when I

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Speaker 3: do get a match, quite often it is a bot

1473
01:10:03,013 --> 01:10:06,213
Speaker 3: or not a real person. Yes, bring back the old

1474
01:10:06,293 --> 01:10:08,213
Speaker 3: days of talking to each other in bars, but even

1475
01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:10,372
Speaker 3: that is difficult now with the new generation.

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01:10:11,053 --> 01:10:13,692
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think because the apps came in so

1477
01:10:14,013 --> 01:10:16,093
Speaker 2: that what they do is they disrupt the market. So

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01:10:16,173 --> 01:10:18,892
Speaker 2: they disrupted the dating market by making it more convenient

1479
01:10:18,973 --> 01:10:21,012
Speaker 2: and removing the friction of having to talk to people

1480
01:10:21,093 --> 01:10:25,412
Speaker 2: directly they get in there, and then once everyone's on there,

1481
01:10:25,452 --> 01:10:28,572
Speaker 2: and they've changed everything, and the social norms of going

1482
01:10:28,652 --> 01:10:30,492
Speaker 2: up and talking to people are gone, and people lose

1483
01:10:30,532 --> 01:10:32,253
Speaker 2: the skills and doing that because they don't have to

1484
01:10:32,333 --> 01:10:35,012
Speaker 2: do it. Once that happens and everyone's addicted to the platform,

1485
01:10:35,572 --> 01:10:39,053
Speaker 2: then they start commodifying it, and they start charging for you,

1486
01:10:39,253 --> 01:10:42,053
Speaker 2: and they start choking the supply because they're incentivized to

1487
01:10:42,173 --> 01:10:46,613
Speaker 2: not have you find love out there, and so society destroyed,

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01:10:47,372 --> 01:10:50,972
Speaker 2: everyone being used as a product. Absolute disaster.

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01:10:51,173 --> 01:10:53,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're on the dating app, love to hear

1490
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:55,932
Speaker 3: your experiences lately. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

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01:10:55,973 --> 01:10:59,333
Speaker 3: whether that's Tinder, Hinge, bumble grind at ninety two nine

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01:10:59,372 --> 01:11:00,892
Speaker 3: to two. Excuse me? Is the text number?

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Speaker 4: It is?

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01:11:01,333 --> 01:11:03,772
Speaker 2: Seventeenth and nine two nine two. Is also a dating app?

1495
01:11:03,772 --> 01:11:05,932
Speaker 2: You know, we'll we'll hook you up with people as well.

1496
01:11:06,013 --> 01:11:08,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we do here on the Afternoon's back

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01:11:08,173 --> 01:11:10,372
Speaker 3: It's done.

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Speaker 1: New take on Talkbag Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons have

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Speaker 1: your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk

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Speaker 1: said b.

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01:11:18,293 --> 01:11:21,013
Speaker 2: Well, just been looking at some beautiful shots of the

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01:11:21,173 --> 01:11:25,852
Speaker 2: Avon on the cricket coverage, boy boy, some punting going

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01:11:25,893 --> 01:11:28,452
Speaker 2: on there. So New Zealand one hundred and fifty three

1504
01:11:28,612 --> 01:11:32,652
Speaker 2: for three. Cain Williamson just got his thirty sixth fifty,

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01:11:33,572 --> 01:11:36,372
Speaker 2: he's on fifty four one hundred and ten and Mitchell

1506
01:11:36,532 --> 01:11:39,692
Speaker 2: is on six off fourteen. So yeah, one hundred and

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01:11:39,732 --> 01:11:43,093
Speaker 2: fifty three for three looking pretty good at this point.

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Speaker 2: I'll be reasonably happy.

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Speaker 3: With that, certainly will be. And we have been chatting

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01:11:46,732 --> 01:11:49,852
Speaker 3: about in shittification, in crapification. We've said that quite a

1511
01:11:49,893 --> 01:11:50,293
Speaker 3: few times.

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01:11:50,372 --> 01:11:52,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what our quota of the S

1513
01:11:52,532 --> 01:11:54,412
Speaker 2: word is on the show. I'm just new the New Stalks.

1514
01:11:54,452 --> 01:11:55,973
Speaker 2: He'd b keep us on us on that nine two

1515
01:11:56,053 --> 01:11:57,412
Speaker 2: nine two if you want to hear more or less

1516
01:11:57,452 --> 01:12:03,293
Speaker 2: of the S word and crapification. That's as digital platforms

1517
01:12:03,333 --> 01:12:07,133
Speaker 2: get worse over time. You become the product. First, you're

1518
01:12:07,173 --> 01:12:08,732
Speaker 2: off at a great service, and you come of the

1519
01:12:08,853 --> 01:12:10,372
Speaker 2: product and some.

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01:12:10,452 --> 01:12:12,892
Speaker 3: Great texts coming through about the dating apps which are

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01:12:12,933 --> 01:12:16,133
Speaker 3: part of this and crapification situation. Yetday guys, I know

1522
01:12:16,293 --> 01:12:17,973
Speaker 3: you may not be a fan of dating apps, but

1523
01:12:18,013 --> 01:12:21,012
Speaker 3: I'm a wedding photographer and nine out of ten wedding

1524
01:12:21,173 --> 01:12:24,012
Speaker 3: Zi photograph are of couples who have met their partner

1525
01:12:24,093 --> 01:12:26,652
Speaker 3: either on Tinder or Hinge and have been very much

1526
01:12:26,692 --> 01:12:29,173
Speaker 3: in love for years. So it does work for many

1527
01:12:29,213 --> 01:12:30,093
Speaker 3: from Whisley.

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01:12:29,973 --> 01:12:32,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But that could also be the bias

1529
01:12:32,253 --> 01:12:33,973
Speaker 2: that you get. I mean, what's that story where you know,

1530
01:12:34,133 --> 01:12:36,093
Speaker 2: where do you put the armor on a plane? You

1531
01:12:36,173 --> 01:12:41,053
Speaker 2: know where the plane's been shot up or where or

1532
01:12:41,173 --> 01:12:43,732
Speaker 2: where they plan well the plane? You know the story,

1533
01:12:43,812 --> 01:12:46,093
Speaker 2: the plane comes back. And the reason why you don't

1534
01:12:46,093 --> 01:12:47,652
Speaker 2: have any ones that have been shot in different places

1535
01:12:47,652 --> 01:12:49,852
Speaker 2: is because those ones went down. Yes, yeah, yeah, So

1536
01:12:50,173 --> 01:12:52,053
Speaker 2: maybe the reason why nine out of ten of your

1537
01:12:52,093 --> 01:12:54,852
Speaker 2: weddings are based on apps is because the apps have

1538
01:12:55,492 --> 01:12:59,452
Speaker 2: so changed the landscape of dating and not for a

1539
01:12:59,492 --> 01:13:01,732
Speaker 2: good thing, that that's the only way people can meet anymore,

1540
01:13:01,772 --> 01:13:03,852
Speaker 2: because people have lost the skills or don't develop the

1541
01:13:03,853 --> 01:13:05,293
Speaker 2: skills to meet people exactly.

1542
01:13:05,412 --> 01:13:06,692
Speaker 3: And we've also been talking about.

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01:13:06,572 --> 01:13:08,213
Speaker 2: Some time nineteen nine two. What's the name for the

1544
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:10,732
Speaker 2: thing I'm trying to talk about the plane example, It's

1545
01:13:10,812 --> 01:13:13,012
Speaker 2: called something confirmation by us. I think it is someone

1546
01:13:13,013 --> 01:13:14,133
Speaker 2: will be nineteen nine to.

1547
01:13:14,093 --> 01:13:17,812
Speaker 3: Two, Warren, you own an airbnb. We have been talking

1548
01:13:17,812 --> 01:13:20,532
Speaker 3: about Airbnb is one of those platforms that some think

1549
01:13:20,572 --> 01:13:21,253
Speaker 3: are degrading.

1550
01:13:21,333 --> 01:13:26,412
Speaker 8: What's your view on it, Well, it's originally positive. I've

1551
01:13:26,452 --> 01:13:29,372
Speaker 8: got two places. One of them was a two bedroom

1552
01:13:29,412 --> 01:13:31,973
Speaker 8: home in it. Now we struggled actually to rent that

1553
01:13:32,093 --> 01:13:34,893
Speaker 8: against people who are just renting out a bedroom, so

1554
01:13:35,253 --> 01:13:37,013
Speaker 8: we've now gone back to just putting it on the

1555
01:13:37,093 --> 01:13:40,572
Speaker 8: general market. But it worked okay while we did it.

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01:13:41,893 --> 01:13:44,052
Speaker 8: Now that what the people are saying about the cleaning

1557
01:13:45,013 --> 01:13:48,333
Speaker 8: additional fee, well, my understanding is you can't do that now,

1558
01:13:48,572 --> 01:13:51,532
Speaker 8: and they may They said it in notice and the

1559
01:13:51,612 --> 01:13:54,372
Speaker 8: last time I looked, there was nowhere that you put

1560
01:13:54,452 --> 01:13:57,892
Speaker 8: your cleaning fee in, so I think some people might

1561
01:13:57,933 --> 01:14:01,492
Speaker 8: be working on out of date information. So I know

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01:14:01,692 --> 01:14:06,852
Speaker 8: in America you must advertise what is your actual rates

1563
01:14:06,933 --> 01:14:10,012
Speaker 8: for the whole seven days that you're going to book,

1564
01:14:10,612 --> 01:14:16,732
Speaker 8: and that includes the GSP and it does not include

1565
01:14:16,853 --> 01:14:19,732
Speaker 8: necessarily a booking fee. So I think the booking fee

1566
01:14:19,812 --> 01:14:21,892
Speaker 8: can come on later. But I'm not one hundred cents

1567
01:14:21,893 --> 01:14:24,253
Speaker 8: certain about that. But my understanding is that we can't.

1568
01:14:24,532 --> 01:14:26,372
Speaker 8: We used to charge the linen fee. I mean people

1569
01:14:26,452 --> 01:14:29,492
Speaker 8: left the place spotlessly clean. Was just a little one

1570
01:14:29,532 --> 01:14:32,333
Speaker 8: bedroom cottage, but out at a beach place and we

1571
01:14:32,933 --> 01:14:35,372
Speaker 8: have the actual main house that we stay on holiday.

1572
01:14:36,772 --> 01:14:38,933
Speaker 8: And you know, we've had a great run over the

1573
01:14:39,053 --> 01:14:42,293
Speaker 8: last couple of years and and people are always left

1574
01:14:42,333 --> 01:14:43,732
Speaker 8: it nice and clean in it. But we used to

1575
01:14:43,893 --> 01:14:46,412
Speaker 8: like to have a linen fee because there is a

1576
01:14:46,492 --> 01:14:48,852
Speaker 8: bit of work in them, you know, doing three bed

1577
01:14:49,173 --> 01:14:51,293
Speaker 8: three double beds, a lot of linen and the towels

1578
01:14:51,293 --> 01:14:55,012
Speaker 8: that people using all that. So, but I would actually

1579
01:14:55,093 --> 01:14:57,692
Speaker 8: check to make sure what people are saying about ABB

1580
01:14:57,812 --> 01:15:00,732
Speaker 8: and B is the current thing with the regards to GST.

1581
01:15:01,492 --> 01:15:07,133
Speaker 8: That was something the previous government brought in because it

1582
01:15:07,692 --> 01:15:09,972
Speaker 8: made it un you're on hotels that you could rent

1583
01:15:10,213 --> 01:15:12,612
Speaker 8: a place right next to the hotel and not charge GST.

1584
01:15:13,213 --> 01:15:16,972
Speaker 8: So it's really with your believer in that fair enough. Yeah,

1585
01:15:16,973 --> 01:15:18,973
Speaker 8: And that was an acted in about April of this

1586
01:15:19,173 --> 01:15:22,492
Speaker 8: year because I wanted how our price had suddenly jumped up.

1587
01:15:22,492 --> 01:15:25,852
Speaker 8: I had a nice round figure and it did take

1588
01:15:25,893 --> 01:15:29,452
Speaker 8: me a while to realize what had actually happened. They

1589
01:15:29,492 --> 01:15:32,013
Speaker 8: weren't very good when I tried to get out of him,

1590
01:15:33,492 --> 01:15:36,652
Speaker 8: why I'm not getting the full GST back. The guy

1591
01:15:36,812 --> 01:15:39,452
Speaker 8: who I think was talking from America doesn't seem to

1592
01:15:39,532 --> 01:15:42,732
Speaker 8: understand the text situation, but I said, well, we've got

1593
01:15:42,812 --> 01:15:45,652
Speaker 8: time to sort that out for the financial year next year.

1594
01:15:47,213 --> 01:15:51,412
Speaker 3: So yes, But just on the cleaning fee, Warren, are

1595
01:15:51,452 --> 01:15:54,892
Speaker 3: you saying that it's it's not mandatory anymore, that it's voluntary,

1596
01:15:54,893 --> 01:15:56,692
Speaker 3: because a couple of tacks are coming through on that.

1597
01:15:56,812 --> 01:15:59,053
Speaker 3: And I just looked at Airbnb and the first one

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01:15:59,093 --> 01:16:01,253
Speaker 3: that I pulled up does have a cleaning fee on it.

1599
01:16:02,173 --> 01:16:02,612
Speaker 12: Is it right?

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01:16:02,732 --> 01:16:07,013
Speaker 8: Okay? Yeah? Well I wasn't a hundred percent certain, but

1601
01:16:07,812 --> 01:16:09,772
Speaker 8: we had we had to remove it off our site,

1602
01:16:10,973 --> 01:16:13,093
Speaker 8: and I thought it was an instruction from them. And

1603
01:16:13,213 --> 01:16:14,892
Speaker 8: recently I looked to see if we're going to add

1604
01:16:16,532 --> 01:16:18,652
Speaker 8: must have that I was looking for a laundry fee,

1605
01:16:18,692 --> 01:16:24,053
Speaker 8: I must admit that, but I didn't. I don't like

1606
01:16:24,093 --> 01:16:26,173
Speaker 8: the idea of a cleaning fee because people just leave

1607
01:16:26,213 --> 01:16:28,852
Speaker 8: the place in the mess and walk out. And most

1608
01:16:28,893 --> 01:16:32,533
Speaker 8: people on a holiday home it's slightly different to overnight accommodation.

1609
01:16:32,652 --> 01:16:35,572
Speaker 8: Stay in a city, you can leave the beds are

1610
01:16:35,612 --> 01:16:37,973
Speaker 8: made and dishes what not done. But when you go

1611
01:16:38,053 --> 01:16:42,293
Speaker 8: and stay in someone's beach cottage, most people like to

1612
01:16:42,372 --> 01:16:44,333
Speaker 8: leave it themselves. They like to leave it nice and

1613
01:16:44,412 --> 01:16:47,412
Speaker 8: tidy and cooling, and so we didn't like calling it

1614
01:16:47,452 --> 01:16:49,812
Speaker 8: a cleaning fee because we just thought that we're just

1615
01:16:49,973 --> 01:16:54,972
Speaker 8: encourage people to to not clean up at all.

1616
01:16:55,372 --> 01:16:57,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, I don't understand why they wouldn't just

1617
01:16:57,853 --> 01:16:59,812
Speaker 3: bed that into the price war And I suppose that's

1618
01:16:59,853 --> 01:17:01,892
Speaker 3: what I have against the Airbnb now that it used

1619
01:17:01,933 --> 01:17:04,652
Speaker 3: to be embedded into the price per night. And now

1620
01:17:04,812 --> 01:17:06,932
Speaker 3: again just this example that I've opened up, and I'm

1621
01:17:06,973 --> 01:17:08,973
Speaker 3: not going to name what it is, but it's nine

1622
01:17:09,053 --> 01:17:10,973
Speaker 3: hundred bucks at night. It's quite a nice place. But

1623
01:17:11,053 --> 01:17:12,652
Speaker 3: then they've got the cleaning fee, then they've got the

1624
01:17:12,732 --> 01:17:15,812
Speaker 3: Airbnb service fee, then they've got the taxes, then they've

1625
01:17:15,853 --> 01:17:19,372
Speaker 3: got the laundry fee. So that's the problem I have.

1626
01:17:19,492 --> 01:17:21,572
Speaker 3: And I get that's not a win for you as

1627
01:17:21,612 --> 01:17:23,333
Speaker 3: a host, that's not a win for a customer, but

1628
01:17:23,412 --> 01:17:26,372
Speaker 3: that's a win for Airbnb m O.

1629
01:17:26,812 --> 01:17:29,253
Speaker 8: The other disadvantage of trying to build into your cost

1630
01:17:29,652 --> 01:17:32,612
Speaker 8: is that if a person spends seven nights at your place,

1631
01:17:32,692 --> 01:17:36,772
Speaker 8: they get one linen fee or one cleaning fee, and

1632
01:17:37,093 --> 01:17:39,333
Speaker 8: then to build it into a one night because often

1633
01:17:39,372 --> 01:17:41,173
Speaker 8: if the person looks at it's costing us one hundred

1634
01:17:41,173 --> 01:17:43,532
Speaker 8: dollars for the cleaning fee. We mustle back, should stay

1635
01:17:43,732 --> 01:17:47,732
Speaker 8: Friday and Saturday. I think that's what some people would think. Yeah,

1636
01:17:48,412 --> 01:17:52,372
Speaker 8: and just to build it in it's a little bit

1637
01:17:52,412 --> 01:17:56,372
Speaker 8: more difficult thing than that. You've got to somehow assess

1638
01:17:58,013 --> 01:18:01,492
Speaker 8: how how what number of days people would do, and

1639
01:18:01,612 --> 01:18:03,612
Speaker 8: then of course you'd have it too high. You'll put

1640
01:18:03,612 --> 01:18:06,333
Speaker 8: the person Offho's booking seven nights or ten nights exactly?

1641
01:18:06,492 --> 01:18:08,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, thank you if you call Warren. And what

1642
01:18:08,812 --> 01:18:10,812
Speaker 2: I was looking for. The word was survivor bias. And

1643
01:18:10,853 --> 01:18:12,333
Speaker 2: in case you don't know whether that is, I'll explain

1644
01:18:12,372 --> 01:18:13,053
Speaker 2: what that is next.

1645
01:18:13,572 --> 01:18:17,852
Speaker 3: Yep, it is seven to three, the issues that affect

1646
01:18:17,933 --> 01:18:19,772
Speaker 3: you and a bit of fun along the way.

1647
01:18:20,053 --> 01:18:23,532
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons You for twenty twenty

1648
01:18:23,572 --> 01:18:26,812
Speaker 1: four news Talk said be it's four to one.

1649
01:18:26,893 --> 01:18:28,813
Speaker 2: So I was talking about the concept of the survivorship

1650
01:18:28,893 --> 01:18:31,932
Speaker 2: bias around a photographer who said that everyone that came

1651
01:18:32,013 --> 01:18:34,452
Speaker 2: in was had found each other on the apps, so

1652
01:18:34,572 --> 01:18:37,732
Speaker 2: survive bas as a logical area of concentrating on entities

1653
01:18:37,812 --> 01:18:40,452
Speaker 2: that passed the selection process while overlooking those that did not.

1654
01:18:40,933 --> 01:18:42,692
Speaker 2: It came about when they were asking where they put

1655
01:18:42,812 --> 01:18:45,133
Speaker 2: armor on planes in World War II. Do you put

1656
01:18:45,173 --> 01:18:48,012
Speaker 2: it on whether bullet holes are or where they weren't.

1657
01:18:48,253 --> 01:18:52,253
Speaker 2: Because the ones where the bullet holes weren't, those people

1658
01:18:52,333 --> 01:18:54,852
Speaker 2: have been hitting the engines, so they had crashed and died,

1659
01:18:54,893 --> 01:18:56,093
Speaker 2: so you never saw the plane again.

1660
01:18:56,293 --> 01:18:56,772
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1661
01:18:56,933 --> 01:18:58,972
Speaker 2: So you could armor up the planes, but you could

1662
01:18:59,013 --> 01:19:00,812
Speaker 2: be shot and the you could armor at the winds,

1663
01:19:00,853 --> 01:19:02,333
Speaker 2: but you'd be shot in the wings, you made at home,

1664
01:19:02,372 --> 01:19:04,293
Speaker 2: shot in the engine, you were done. So that survivor

1665
01:19:04,532 --> 01:19:06,093
Speaker 2: survivorship bias very apt.

1666
01:19:06,213 --> 01:19:07,973
Speaker 3: Well, that was a good discussion, and I think a

1667
01:19:08,013 --> 01:19:11,293
Speaker 3: lot of people are agreeing that the decrapification of these

1668
01:19:11,333 --> 01:19:14,133
Speaker 3: digital platforms is a big thing now more than ever.

1669
01:19:14,293 --> 01:19:18,013
Speaker 3: Right after three o'clock, experiences versus stuff.

1670
01:19:18,213 --> 01:19:20,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's coming up to Black Friday and

1671
01:19:20,933 --> 01:19:24,613
Speaker 2: Christmas is coming up, so you're gonna buy objects or experiences?

1672
01:19:24,652 --> 01:19:26,852
Speaker 2: Are one hundred and eighteen eighty ninety two, ninety two.

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01:19:27,013 --> 01:19:29,532
Speaker 3: It is three to three New Sport and weather on

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01:19:29,612 --> 01:19:32,333
Speaker 3: its way. You're listening to matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

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01:19:39,093 --> 01:19:43,253
Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1676
01:19:43,572 --> 01:19:47,492
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoons on News talk Sevy.

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01:19:47,732 --> 01:19:49,932
Speaker 3: Good afternoons seven past three.

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01:19:50,293 --> 01:19:53,972
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what christ it's looking beautiful Hagley Oval

1679
01:19:54,213 --> 01:19:57,133
Speaker 2: Water picture one hundred and sixty six for three New

1680
01:19:57,213 --> 01:20:01,053
Speaker 2: Zealand's Mitchell on nine and Williamson another fifty for him

1681
01:20:01,173 --> 01:20:03,973
Speaker 2: sixty two of one hundred and thirty three Williams. So

1682
01:20:04,452 --> 01:20:06,492
Speaker 2: you got to say pretty good. Stokes is bowling at

1683
01:20:06,532 --> 01:20:08,892
Speaker 2: the moment, of course, been Stokes originally from christ Church

1684
01:20:08,973 --> 01:20:10,653
Speaker 2: before it became an English superstar.

1685
01:20:10,893 --> 01:20:13,452
Speaker 3: It's got some good sleeves on them, doesn't he. Stokes,

1686
01:20:13,572 --> 01:20:14,812
Speaker 3: You've got some sweet tests.

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01:20:15,133 --> 01:20:15,452
Speaker 2: Stokes.

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01:20:15,612 --> 01:20:18,772
Speaker 3: He's a bad boy, that's for sure. Right time to

1689
01:20:18,853 --> 01:20:23,372
Speaker 3: chat about experience versus stuff. Black Friday sales are everywhere

1690
01:20:23,372 --> 01:20:23,852
Speaker 3: at the moment.

1691
01:20:24,213 --> 01:20:26,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, coming up to Christmas. And look we

1692
01:20:26,853 --> 01:20:29,612
Speaker 2: were talking before about Kmart, whose sales are approaching a

1693
01:20:29,692 --> 01:20:34,372
Speaker 2: billion dollars a year in New Zealand in pretty challenging times.

1694
01:20:34,452 --> 01:20:37,732
Speaker 2: So people are buying a lot of a lot of objects.

1695
01:20:38,253 --> 01:20:41,572
Speaker 2: But the question is when you're buying things for Christmas, right,

1696
01:20:42,572 --> 01:20:45,692
Speaker 2: or for presents or for whatever in your life. Studies

1697
01:20:45,692 --> 01:20:49,693
Speaker 2: show that experiences last longer that should you buy experiences

1698
01:20:49,853 --> 01:20:54,333
Speaker 2: or stuff? Does stuff just end up on landfills's stuff

1699
01:20:54,452 --> 01:20:57,492
Speaker 2: just filling your house. And and you know, as the

1700
01:20:57,572 --> 01:21:01,532
Speaker 2: saying goes, the Buddhist concept that your positions own you,

1701
01:21:01,812 --> 01:21:04,412
Speaker 2: you don't own them. And you know that the cost

1702
01:21:04,492 --> 01:21:07,652
Speaker 2: of having to look after things, do things, throw them out,

1703
01:21:08,452 --> 01:21:11,093
Speaker 2: fine places for them, very wise. And I'll just take

1704
01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:15,093
Speaker 2: this opportunity to read from this book here. The number

1705
01:21:15,093 --> 01:21:17,732
Speaker 2: one bestsella are Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to Love the

1706
01:21:17,772 --> 01:21:19,732
Speaker 2: Life You've Got by A mad Heath.

1707
01:21:19,812 --> 01:21:22,092
Speaker 3: I've seen that in the bookstore actually Brave reviews.

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01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:25,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just to read there. Read from there. A

1709
01:21:26,013 --> 01:21:29,452
Speaker 2: twenty twenty paper called spending on doing promotes more moment

1710
01:21:29,532 --> 01:21:32,492
Speaker 2: to moment happiness than spending on having outlined research conducted

1711
01:21:32,532 --> 01:21:35,092
Speaker 2: by a team led by A Mit Kamer. They split

1712
01:21:35,293 --> 01:21:37,732
Speaker 2: two two thousand and three and thirty five adults into

1713
01:21:37,732 --> 01:21:39,852
Speaker 2: two groups. One group was the material group and the

1714
01:21:39,893 --> 01:21:43,732
Speaker 2: other experimental experiential group. The material group got bought items

1715
01:21:43,772 --> 01:21:46,252
Speaker 2: like furniture Julian clothing. The other group went to restaurants,

1716
01:21:46,253 --> 01:21:49,492
Speaker 2: sports games, and participated in various experiences throughout the state

1717
01:21:49,532 --> 01:21:51,412
Speaker 2: of the receives is randomly texted the people and they

1718
01:21:51,492 --> 01:21:55,492
Speaker 2: found their happiness was higher for the participants who consumed

1719
01:21:55,652 --> 01:22:00,652
Speaker 2: experiential purchases than those who consumed material ones, regardless of

1720
01:22:00,772 --> 01:22:03,973
Speaker 2: the cost of the item. And if this went on,

1721
01:22:04,173 --> 01:22:06,253
Speaker 2: this went on not only at the time they were

1722
01:22:06,293 --> 01:22:08,173
Speaker 2: doing it, so in the first weeks of getting it,

1723
01:22:08,692 --> 01:22:11,133
Speaker 2: but as they checked in over time, because people had

1724
01:22:11,213 --> 01:22:14,293
Speaker 2: memories of the experience. And their conclusion was, if you

1725
01:22:14,333 --> 01:22:16,132
Speaker 2: want to be happier, it might be wise to shift

1726
01:22:16,293 --> 01:22:18,732
Speaker 2: your consumption away from material goods and a bit more

1727
01:22:18,772 --> 01:22:21,812
Speaker 2: towards experiences that would likely lead to greater well being.

1728
01:22:22,133 --> 01:22:25,532
Speaker 2: So the question is, as you buy Christmas presents, should

1729
01:22:25,572 --> 01:22:28,853
Speaker 2: you be buying objects or you should be buying experiences.

1730
01:22:29,372 --> 01:22:34,172
Speaker 2: Trips away could be go karting, it could be visiting

1731
01:22:34,772 --> 01:22:39,293
Speaker 2: rang Toto in Auckland, like I did recently, experiences rather

1732
01:22:39,532 --> 01:22:43,972
Speaker 2: than objects, because we've all got so many objects, and look,

1733
01:22:44,013 --> 01:22:47,133
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have been disgusted. And look,

1734
01:22:47,173 --> 01:22:50,812
Speaker 2: I know some people can't afford much, but things are

1735
01:22:50,893 --> 01:22:55,372
Speaker 2: so cheap now, you know, junkie plastic toys are so

1736
01:22:55,612 --> 01:22:58,333
Speaker 2: cheap now that you see kids just getting piled up

1737
01:22:58,372 --> 01:23:02,093
Speaker 2: with this rubbish and I don't know if it does

1738
01:23:02,572 --> 01:23:05,973
Speaker 2: that much for them, you know, whereas there's an experience

1739
01:23:06,133 --> 01:23:10,572
Speaker 2: like a trip away, a holiday, camping, anything like that. Yeah,

1740
01:23:11,173 --> 01:23:13,372
Speaker 2: and you were talking before about say a tent for example.

1741
01:23:14,013 --> 01:23:16,213
Speaker 2: A tent is an object that leads to experiences.

1742
01:23:16,333 --> 01:23:16,532
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1743
01:23:16,612 --> 01:23:20,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right behind buying experiences for two reasons. One is,

1744
01:23:21,013 --> 01:23:23,772
Speaker 3: quite often the experiences that I buy for summer houses

1745
01:23:23,812 --> 01:23:27,172
Speaker 3: for my partner may so then I get to partake

1746
01:23:27,253 --> 01:23:29,293
Speaker 3: in that experience as well. If you know, I book

1747
01:23:29,333 --> 01:23:32,612
Speaker 3: a week holiday away somewhere nice in New Zealand. Of

1748
01:23:32,692 --> 01:23:34,772
Speaker 3: course it's for two people, so I get to enjoy

1749
01:23:34,853 --> 01:23:37,172
Speaker 3: that experience as well, So it's a little bit selfish

1750
01:23:37,213 --> 01:23:39,333
Speaker 3: of me, but also you know Mave loves it. And

1751
01:23:39,652 --> 01:23:42,572
Speaker 3: the second part is that it goes to a New

1752
01:23:42,612 --> 01:23:45,572
Speaker 3: Zealand business. Quite often, you know, it's supporting New Zealand tourism.

1753
01:23:45,612 --> 01:23:46,333
Speaker 3: I'm patriotic.

1754
01:23:46,492 --> 01:23:49,812
Speaker 2: Well, experience or gift could just be a taking someone

1755
01:23:49,853 --> 01:23:51,852
Speaker 2: out to dinner. So you say, I'm going to take

1756
01:23:51,893 --> 01:23:53,452
Speaker 2: out for dinner and see they're buying you a present,

1757
01:23:53,492 --> 01:23:55,492
Speaker 2: So I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty, what do you

1758
01:23:55,532 --> 01:23:58,652
Speaker 2: think about this? And what are some examples of some

1759
01:23:58,812 --> 01:24:03,452
Speaker 2: experiences that aren't so expensive that that that they're out

1760
01:24:03,492 --> 01:24:06,892
Speaker 2: of the possibility for most people that will Christmas presents

1761
01:24:07,053 --> 01:24:10,732
Speaker 2: instead of just objects after objects. I was owning you,

1762
01:24:10,933 --> 01:24:13,652
Speaker 2: filling your garage, filling your attic, filling your house with

1763
01:24:14,213 --> 01:24:17,173
Speaker 2: more and more stuff you don't care about. And this,

1764
01:24:17,333 --> 01:24:19,652
Speaker 2: of course you think about buying the number one best

1765
01:24:19,652 --> 01:24:21,692
Speaker 2: seller A life best punishing Thirteen Ways to Love Life

1766
01:24:21,692 --> 01:24:24,492
Speaker 2: You've got. That's a great object to buy someone for Christmas.

1767
01:24:24,572 --> 01:24:25,893
Speaker 3: That's a great experience reading that.

1768
01:24:26,093 --> 01:24:26,772
Speaker 2: That's an experience.

1769
01:24:26,933 --> 01:24:28,053
Speaker 3: Stuff, that's experience.

1770
01:24:28,372 --> 01:24:31,253
Speaker 2: Oh, shameless, shameless, eight hundred.

1771
01:24:30,973 --> 01:24:33,093
Speaker 3: And eighty ten eighty love to hear your thoughts. It

1772
01:24:33,333 --> 01:24:37,692
Speaker 3: is twelve past three. Black Friday is almost upon us.

1773
01:24:37,772 --> 01:24:41,372
Speaker 3: That's why we're talking about experiences versus stuff. What do

1774
01:24:41,452 --> 01:24:44,932
Speaker 3: you go for just hearing that piece out of that book?

1775
01:24:45,013 --> 01:24:46,612
Speaker 3: What's the title of the book again, Matt.

1776
01:24:47,173 --> 01:24:49,572
Speaker 2: A lifeless punishing Thirteen Ways to Love the Life You've got.

1777
01:24:49,692 --> 01:24:51,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a nice piece though, actually, And I just thought.

1778
01:24:51,772 --> 01:24:53,532
Speaker 3: The last thing that I bought for myself that was

1779
01:24:53,572 --> 01:24:55,932
Speaker 3: a thing was a laptop, right, It was a new

1780
01:24:56,612 --> 01:24:59,333
Speaker 3: MacBook ear. Yeah, and I freaking love that thing.

1781
01:24:59,412 --> 01:24:59,652
Speaker 12: It was.

1782
01:24:59,973 --> 01:25:02,213
Speaker 3: I was so excited by it for about three months

1783
01:25:02,452 --> 01:25:04,173
Speaker 3: and now it's just there it's just there.

1784
01:25:04,333 --> 01:25:05,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's a little bit different.

1785
01:25:05,893 --> 01:25:08,692
Speaker 2: That's an object that has that you can use to

1786
01:25:08,772 --> 01:25:10,933
Speaker 2: do stuff, you know. Yeah, I mean you need it.

1787
01:25:11,013 --> 01:25:13,133
Speaker 2: It's a tool, Yeah you can't. I mean tools are

1788
01:25:13,133 --> 01:25:14,093
Speaker 2: pretty good presents, you know.

1789
01:25:14,333 --> 01:25:15,973
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be telling anyone about my

1790
01:25:16,093 --> 01:25:19,012
Speaker 3: mac book he or on my teeth beed am I, Rachel,

1791
01:25:19,053 --> 01:25:20,932
Speaker 3: watch your your experiences versus stuff.

1792
01:25:22,333 --> 01:25:25,213
Speaker 22: So last year I ran around like an idiot getting

1793
01:25:25,293 --> 01:25:27,532
Speaker 22: lots of presents for my kids that ended up just

1794
01:25:27,612 --> 01:25:31,133
Speaker 22: being on their floor, not opened really until gan Re

1795
01:25:31,253 --> 01:25:34,133
Speaker 22: February whatever it was, And I said to them that's it.

1796
01:25:34,612 --> 01:25:37,812
Speaker 22: I'm not doing presents ever again for each others. What

1797
01:25:37,893 --> 01:25:40,293
Speaker 22: we're going to do from this year on where we're

1798
01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:44,652
Speaker 22: going to do experiences. So I've just booked tickets to

1799
01:25:44,732 --> 01:25:47,812
Speaker 22: go to the summer concert down in Telco to go

1800
01:25:47,973 --> 01:25:51,293
Speaker 22: see Culture of Them and a number of events down

1801
01:25:51,333 --> 01:25:53,893
Speaker 22: in Talpo, and then we're going to explore Talpo for

1802
01:25:54,013 --> 01:25:54,612
Speaker 22: a few days.

1803
01:25:55,133 --> 01:26:01,333
Speaker 2: And they're like you, I've been going to touch I've

1804
01:26:01,333 --> 01:26:04,173
Speaker 2: been going to topeall recently, Rachel. After and I didn't

1805
01:26:04,213 --> 01:26:06,772
Speaker 2: really know that place, you know, I'm from the South

1806
01:26:06,812 --> 01:26:10,652
Speaker 2: Island originally that that is the that is such a

1807
01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:14,133
Speaker 2: fantastic town. There is so much to do there. It

1808
01:26:14,293 --> 01:26:18,413
Speaker 2: is so beautiful. It's the Queenstown of the North. It's fantastic.

1809
01:26:19,812 --> 01:26:20,012
Speaker 16: Yep.

1810
01:26:20,213 --> 01:26:22,572
Speaker 22: And I also said to my kids, we're going to

1811
01:26:22,652 --> 01:26:26,772
Speaker 22: remember this weekend, that weekend much more than I don't know,

1812
01:26:27,093 --> 01:26:31,013
Speaker 22: a pair of shoes that I brought you. So yeah,

1813
01:26:31,053 --> 01:26:32,652
Speaker 22: So moving toward that's what we're going to do. My

1814
01:26:32,732 --> 01:26:35,692
Speaker 22: kids are now older as well, so as they get

1815
01:26:35,772 --> 01:26:38,532
Speaker 22: older as well, we're going to have a lot more fun,

1816
01:26:38,853 --> 01:26:39,013
Speaker 22: you know.

1817
01:26:39,412 --> 01:26:39,572
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1818
01:26:39,853 --> 01:26:41,452
Speaker 2: And when you think about it, Rachel, when you think

1819
01:26:41,492 --> 01:26:43,732
Speaker 2: about it, when you think about it when you get older, Rachel,

1820
01:26:43,732 --> 01:26:45,452
Speaker 2: when you look back at your childhood, the things that

1821
01:26:45,572 --> 01:26:47,772
Speaker 2: you talk about the most with your your siblings and

1822
01:26:47,973 --> 01:26:50,333
Speaker 2: with your parents, and the things you remember, they are

1823
01:26:50,333 --> 01:26:53,612
Speaker 2: the holidays. You don't necessarily remember that dinky toy you had.

1824
01:26:53,732 --> 01:26:56,133
Speaker 2: I mean I do a little bit, But you talk

1825
01:26:56,253 --> 01:26:57,972
Speaker 2: so much about the holidays you have with your family,

1826
01:26:58,053 --> 01:26:58,293
Speaker 2: don't you.

1827
01:26:59,452 --> 01:26:59,652
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1828
01:26:59,692 --> 01:27:03,692
Speaker 22: Absolutely, so yes, trying that this year and hopefully it's

1829
01:27:03,692 --> 01:27:05,772
Speaker 22: a success and we'll just move on and carry on

1830
01:27:05,933 --> 01:27:06,173
Speaker 22: doing that.

1831
01:27:06,732 --> 01:27:10,133
Speaker 2: How do you how do you, Rachel? So is this

1832
01:27:10,213 --> 01:27:13,732
Speaker 2: for this is for Christmas presents, right, yes, so how

1833
01:27:13,812 --> 01:27:15,652
Speaker 2: do you put that under the tree? Is the trick though,

1834
01:27:15,692 --> 01:27:15,973
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1835
01:27:16,853 --> 01:27:20,013
Speaker 22: Well, well, we did discuss this week that we might

1836
01:27:21,412 --> 01:27:24,053
Speaker 22: only buy each other a small gift up to the

1837
01:27:24,133 --> 01:27:26,532
Speaker 22: value of fifty buck speech, so at least we've got

1838
01:27:26,612 --> 01:27:30,612
Speaker 22: something under the tree to open. But otherwise, yeah, the

1839
01:27:30,652 --> 01:27:32,852
Speaker 22: big present is the trip away.

1840
01:27:33,173 --> 01:27:40,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and yeah, I mean not that

1841
01:27:40,692 --> 01:27:43,213
Speaker 2: massively expensive really, you know, in the big in the

1842
01:27:43,253 --> 01:27:46,093
Speaker 2: big scheme of things holiday and Topaul. You're not not

1843
01:27:46,213 --> 01:27:48,772
Speaker 2: going crazy, You're not going to Italy, but you will

1844
01:27:48,772 --> 01:27:49,973
Speaker 2: create a lot of memories.

1845
01:27:51,133 --> 01:27:54,652
Speaker 22: Exactly exactly, and if it's successful, they can choose the

1846
01:27:54,732 --> 01:27:56,333
Speaker 22: next experience the following year.

1847
01:27:56,893 --> 01:27:58,652
Speaker 8: God knows what they are.

1848
01:27:58,692 --> 01:28:01,213
Speaker 3: They big cold Chidel fans. They love Jimmy Barnes.

1849
01:28:02,492 --> 01:28:02,933
Speaker 5: Do you know what.

1850
01:28:03,093 --> 01:28:06,333
Speaker 22: It's been a backdrop of our lives, so they should

1851
01:28:06,412 --> 01:28:10,492
Speaker 22: know most of the songs and and who wants who

1852
01:28:10,572 --> 01:28:12,533
Speaker 22: doesn't want to go see Jimmy exactly?

1853
01:28:12,732 --> 01:28:15,612
Speaker 3: Love a bit of man, Rachel, Thank you very much,

1854
01:28:16,013 --> 01:28:17,692
Speaker 3: some great texts coming through this.

1855
01:28:17,812 --> 01:28:19,812
Speaker 2: On nine two, nine two, I've bought my son three

1856
01:28:20,053 --> 01:28:23,492
Speaker 2: new golf wages for Christmas. With the black Friday sales.

1857
01:28:23,732 --> 01:28:25,532
Speaker 2: It's what he wanted. He plays golf and is a

1858
01:28:25,612 --> 01:28:28,572
Speaker 2: four handicapper, so it's win win. You could argue that

1859
01:28:28,732 --> 01:28:31,973
Speaker 2: that's the thing, because there are objects that are experiences, right,

1860
01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:36,093
Speaker 2: So if you buy you know, golf clubs or a

1861
01:28:36,213 --> 01:28:40,372
Speaker 2: golf club, and I've certainly got them for for Christmas

1862
01:28:40,452 --> 01:28:45,053
Speaker 2: in the past, they lead to experiences. And look, if

1863
01:28:45,093 --> 01:28:47,293
Speaker 2: you can, if you can sort out a situation where

1864
01:28:47,293 --> 01:28:49,532
Speaker 2: you're playing golf with your kids going forward, then you

1865
01:28:49,572 --> 01:28:51,412
Speaker 2: will have something to do with them for the rest

1866
01:28:51,412 --> 01:28:53,933
Speaker 2: of their life. You know, you know, your kid might

1867
01:28:53,973 --> 01:28:55,253
Speaker 2: be out of town and then they come back in.

1868
01:28:55,333 --> 01:28:57,093
Speaker 2: You go, you want to play golf, and that is

1869
01:28:57,213 --> 01:28:59,852
Speaker 2: like a little experience walking around a golf shore. Of course,

1870
01:28:59,893 --> 01:29:00,372
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

1871
01:29:00,452 --> 01:29:01,212
Speaker 3: Watch your handicap.

1872
01:29:01,853 --> 01:29:03,412
Speaker 2: I don't have a handicap, certainly not.

1873
01:29:03,532 --> 01:29:06,093
Speaker 3: Four oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1874
01:29:06,093 --> 01:29:09,533
Speaker 3: to call experiences versus stuff. It is nineteen past.

1875
01:29:09,293 --> 01:29:17,652
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1876
01:29:17,772 --> 01:29:19,933
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk SAIB.

1877
01:29:20,173 --> 01:29:21,213
Speaker 3: Twenty one past three.

1878
01:29:21,492 --> 01:29:28,532
Speaker 2: We're talking about experiences as opposed to objects for Christmas presents. Hey, guys,

1879
01:29:28,572 --> 01:29:31,812
Speaker 2: don't worry about topul Take the kids to Tara Minui

1880
01:29:32,013 --> 01:29:35,372
Speaker 2: and go down the Wanganui River in Canadian coops canoes.

1881
01:29:35,452 --> 01:29:38,492
Speaker 2: Best experience ever. That's from Mark I've heard, I've talked to.

1882
01:29:38,572 --> 01:29:40,412
Speaker 2: I've got a number of friends who have done that

1883
01:29:40,933 --> 01:29:46,372
Speaker 2: down the Wanganiwei River and it is absolutely fantastic. Everyone

1884
01:29:46,412 --> 01:29:48,572
Speaker 2: says it's incredible, and I'm really jealous. I really want

1885
01:29:48,612 --> 01:29:50,852
Speaker 2: to do it. Sounds like an absolutely epic journey.

1886
01:29:51,053 --> 01:29:52,532
Speaker 3: Is that part of the Great Walk, isn't it. I

1887
01:29:52,612 --> 01:29:55,732
Speaker 3: think that's part of the ta At the end of.

1888
01:29:55,732 --> 01:29:57,492
Speaker 2: It, there's a waterfall you go down and most people

1889
01:29:57,532 --> 01:29:57,932
Speaker 2: fall out.

1890
01:29:58,372 --> 01:30:02,053
Speaker 3: It's so good. Yeah, George, what's your view on experiences

1891
01:30:02,133 --> 01:30:02,772
Speaker 3: versus stuff?

1892
01:30:04,933 --> 01:30:09,892
Speaker 23: Yeah, well, I I search years ago brought my first

1893
01:30:09,973 --> 01:30:14,972
Speaker 23: grandchild a present in a very large box. He got

1894
01:30:15,053 --> 01:30:18,093
Speaker 23: the box, he opened it, took the present out, and

1895
01:30:18,213 --> 01:30:20,612
Speaker 23: to the rest of the day played in the box.

1896
01:30:23,013 --> 01:30:28,253
Speaker 23: That sums up so anyway, I have always since then,

1897
01:30:29,053 --> 01:30:31,333
Speaker 23: I've always had a twelve seed the bus and more

1898
01:30:31,412 --> 01:30:34,572
Speaker 23: late and more likely a late seventeen seed the bus,

1899
01:30:35,133 --> 01:30:38,652
Speaker 23: and so I take them on experiences. We've taken you

1900
01:30:39,013 --> 01:30:42,612
Speaker 23: entire one way, well into and all over the country

1901
01:30:42,652 --> 01:30:47,613
Speaker 23: because they have mostly rural built children and given them experiences,

1902
01:30:48,412 --> 01:30:52,372
Speaker 23: and whenever we have a gathering, they get together and

1903
01:30:52,532 --> 01:30:55,933
Speaker 23: they just talk about those experiences. I can reassure you

1904
01:30:56,213 --> 01:30:59,372
Speaker 23: that there've been presents they would not have talked about

1905
01:30:59,452 --> 01:31:00,572
Speaker 23: the press.

1906
01:31:00,492 --> 01:31:03,213
Speaker 2: And they'll talk about those for the rest of their lives, George.

1907
01:31:04,973 --> 01:31:12,213
Speaker 23: They will, and it has been wonderful. They've so much us. Well,

1908
01:31:12,293 --> 01:31:15,772
Speaker 23: now I'm in a different situation. I've got seventhing grand children,

1909
01:31:15,853 --> 01:31:19,372
Speaker 23: but I've moved on. I've now have twelve great grandchildren,

1910
01:31:19,893 --> 01:31:23,812
Speaker 23: so I'm in the process. They're just coming up to

1911
01:31:23,893 --> 01:31:27,372
Speaker 23: the age. The oldest is eight years old, and they're

1912
01:31:27,492 --> 01:31:29,452
Speaker 23: just coming to the age that we could start doing

1913
01:31:29,532 --> 01:31:33,013
Speaker 23: something with them as well. The problem I have is

1914
01:31:33,093 --> 01:31:36,492
Speaker 23: I'm eighty two years old. I probably can't do another

1915
01:31:36,652 --> 01:31:41,532
Speaker 23: generation after this lot mm hmmm, because the law probably

1916
01:31:41,572 --> 01:31:44,412
Speaker 23: won't let me drive after I'm hundred two more.

1917
01:31:48,133 --> 01:31:50,053
Speaker 2: Okay, so did you so when you say you've got

1918
01:31:50,732 --> 01:31:53,893
Speaker 2: you said you've got a bus. Did you, George, you

1919
01:31:54,013 --> 01:31:54,492
Speaker 2: hit a bus?

1920
01:31:54,853 --> 01:31:55,053
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1921
01:31:55,093 --> 01:31:57,893
Speaker 23: I used to be. I used to be make a

1922
01:31:57,973 --> 01:32:00,053
Speaker 23: work of asparagus is what I used to be. And

1923
01:32:00,093 --> 01:32:02,013
Speaker 23: I used to sell asparagus and so I had a

1924
01:32:02,053 --> 01:32:05,052
Speaker 23: lot of staff, so I carried a lot of staff

1925
01:32:05,133 --> 01:32:07,853
Speaker 23: around and I use those buses for those experiences.

1926
01:32:08,093 --> 01:32:13,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah because because reason sorry you go, George.

1927
01:32:15,293 --> 01:32:18,093
Speaker 23: Well, another reason that I can do this is I've

1928
01:32:18,173 --> 01:32:26,132
Speaker 23: kept fit because I've picked each of the sparguss today.

1929
01:32:26,372 --> 01:32:28,812
Speaker 23: So let's tell you that, you know, if you want

1930
01:32:28,812 --> 01:32:31,973
Speaker 23: to live a long time, you need a sparks just

1931
01:32:32,093 --> 01:32:32,732
Speaker 23: on the side.

1932
01:32:33,173 --> 01:32:33,852
Speaker 3: No, it's good stuff.

1933
01:32:35,133 --> 01:32:36,893
Speaker 2: Your ways would have been honking the whole time. But

1934
01:32:36,933 --> 01:32:37,652
Speaker 2: you're very healthy.

1935
01:32:38,372 --> 01:32:45,053
Speaker 3: Oh outside, you're a good man, George, Thank you very much.

1936
01:32:45,133 --> 01:32:46,692
Speaker 3: He was sprightly for ready two, wasn't he.

1937
01:32:46,812 --> 01:32:46,972
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1938
01:32:46,973 --> 01:32:49,812
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is with you know, you know, you

1939
01:32:49,893 --> 01:32:51,692
Speaker 2: talk about like that was a bus that you had

1940
01:32:51,732 --> 01:32:53,973
Speaker 2: for work, but if you you invest in, you know,

1941
01:32:54,093 --> 01:32:56,213
Speaker 2: a camper van or something like that, then that is

1942
01:32:56,372 --> 01:32:58,852
Speaker 2: like that's not necessarily present, but you're taking a certain

1943
01:32:58,893 --> 01:33:01,293
Speaker 2: amount of your income that you could spend on something

1944
01:33:01,572 --> 01:33:03,372
Speaker 2: and investing in something like that that you're going to

1945
01:33:03,412 --> 01:33:04,772
Speaker 2: have a lot of experiences. And that could just be

1946
01:33:04,853 --> 01:33:07,052
Speaker 2: as little as a tent as we were talking before,

1947
01:33:07,532 --> 01:33:10,293
Speaker 2: but that's using some of your income towards something that

1948
01:33:10,532 --> 01:33:14,213
Speaker 2: is going to lead to multiple memory creating events and

1949
01:33:14,293 --> 01:33:16,053
Speaker 2: that's fantastic. I've got a text here on nine two

1950
01:33:16,213 --> 01:33:19,692
Speaker 2: nine two. I don't recommend spending on an experience I

1951
01:33:19,853 --> 01:33:22,692
Speaker 2: proposed on Christmas Day, and twenty one years later, I'm

1952
01:33:22,732 --> 01:33:24,572
Speaker 2: still paying for that experience. That's from Steve.

1953
01:33:26,253 --> 01:33:30,333
Speaker 3: Very good Steve, Jane. How are you hello? How are

1954
01:33:30,372 --> 01:33:32,772
Speaker 3: you good? Experiences versus gifts?

1955
01:33:33,893 --> 01:33:36,652
Speaker 24: Well, for a stout, I'll say that you'd be wishing

1956
01:33:36,732 --> 01:33:38,013
Speaker 24: you're in christ today.

1957
01:33:38,492 --> 01:33:42,853
Speaker 3: Oh we're looking at the telly right now. What a beauty? Beautiful?

1958
01:33:44,093 --> 01:33:45,412
Speaker 2: Do you know what's up?

1959
01:33:46,532 --> 01:33:49,732
Speaker 24: What temperature it is? I don't have any temperature gauges.

1960
01:33:49,893 --> 01:33:51,933
Speaker 3: Well, well, it looks like the wind's picking up a

1961
01:33:51,973 --> 01:33:54,133
Speaker 3: little bit though, Jane, looking at the cricket.

1962
01:33:54,213 --> 01:33:57,412
Speaker 2: I'll find out for you right now, Jane. It's a beautiful.

1963
01:33:57,853 --> 01:34:01,133
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful twenty six degrees in Christus right.

1964
01:34:01,093 --> 01:34:06,652
Speaker 24: Now, Jane, it is just beautiful. So yep, anyway, you're

1965
01:34:06,692 --> 01:34:11,093
Speaker 24: not and it is, and any experiences versus all the

1966
01:34:11,173 --> 01:34:15,612
Speaker 24: other things, just and assistance and all opens. I am

1967
01:34:15,732 --> 01:34:20,812
Speaker 24: living into seventy and New Year's Eve. The lasting I

1968
01:34:20,973 --> 01:34:24,452
Speaker 24: want as an experience of any sort because I'm not

1969
01:34:25,612 --> 01:34:32,333
Speaker 24: streat had great freedom with walking and off off straight ground.

1970
01:34:32,772 --> 01:34:35,973
Speaker 24: I just can't do it, just what's going through. It

1971
01:34:36,013 --> 01:34:39,333
Speaker 24: would be dreadful, slow as a wet week. You know, Well,

1972
01:34:40,333 --> 01:34:42,772
Speaker 24: why would I want an experience? I would sit there

1973
01:34:42,772 --> 01:34:44,692
Speaker 24: and watch other people go on the rocks and go

1974
01:34:44,812 --> 01:34:49,253
Speaker 24: whipping around rocks and things, But to be there would

1975
01:34:49,333 --> 01:34:52,333
Speaker 24: kill me in case it did go wrong. It literally would.

1976
01:34:53,572 --> 01:34:57,572
Speaker 24: And I would much rather see what my family and

1977
01:34:57,732 --> 01:35:01,532
Speaker 24: have the family members that don't normally come around Christmas

1978
01:35:01,933 --> 01:35:05,852
Speaker 24: for intimation, if or any other time after Christmas, whenever possible.

1979
01:35:06,333 --> 01:35:06,973
Speaker 17: That's the thing.

1980
01:35:07,213 --> 01:35:10,772
Speaker 24: The gifts that i'd like get and if they want

1981
01:35:10,812 --> 01:35:14,412
Speaker 24: to give me a gift, but when it isn't it's

1982
01:35:14,492 --> 01:35:17,253
Speaker 24: warm and funny and you're outside, I'd like, you know,

1983
01:35:17,652 --> 01:35:22,013
Speaker 24: one of those lovely blank something that is more a

1984
01:35:22,173 --> 01:35:24,892
Speaker 24: change to an older person. The idea of going up

1985
01:35:24,933 --> 01:35:28,173
Speaker 24: in an aircraft or flying somewhere or doing all those things.

1986
01:35:28,732 --> 01:35:31,892
Speaker 2: It's just doing us as But Jane, and experience could

1987
01:35:31,933 --> 01:35:36,692
Speaker 2: be something as simple as taking you out for dinner

1988
01:35:37,253 --> 01:35:39,692
Speaker 2: or taking you to the to the movies. It wouldn't

1989
01:35:39,692 --> 01:35:41,053
Speaker 2: have to be something that.

1990
01:35:41,133 --> 01:35:44,213
Speaker 24: You have to exerself, but yeah, that's fine, that would

1991
01:35:44,213 --> 01:35:46,173
Speaker 24: be good. But matter of which I sort of choose

1992
01:35:46,253 --> 01:35:51,333
Speaker 24: to do and I can United week. It's really I

1993
01:35:51,372 --> 01:35:53,692
Speaker 24: don't know. I would just prefer to do something within

1994
01:35:53,812 --> 01:35:57,253
Speaker 24: my age in huntt zone and physical zone.

1995
01:35:57,692 --> 01:36:00,173
Speaker 3: But that's a beautiful thing that you've said, Jane, because

1996
01:36:00,213 --> 01:36:02,492
Speaker 3: to me, that is an experience that the perfect gift

1997
01:36:02,532 --> 01:36:04,852
Speaker 3: for you is having your family around at Christmas or

1998
01:36:04,973 --> 01:36:07,333
Speaker 3: just after Christmas and spending time with them. And I've

1999
01:36:07,372 --> 01:36:09,133
Speaker 3: got to say, for my mum, it's all she cares

2000
01:36:09,173 --> 01:36:11,013
Speaker 3: about now. She doesn't want gifts. She just wants us

2001
01:36:11,093 --> 01:36:12,053
Speaker 3: boys to turn up.

2002
01:36:13,612 --> 01:36:14,852
Speaker 2: But then, I mean, you've got to get it right.

2003
01:36:14,893 --> 01:36:16,452
Speaker 2: And if you've got to get the experience right for

2004
01:36:16,532 --> 01:36:19,133
Speaker 2: the right person. So you know, if you if the

2005
01:36:19,213 --> 01:36:23,052
Speaker 2: experience you're giving to your great grandma is a bull riding,

2006
01:36:23,452 --> 01:36:24,932
Speaker 2: then you haven't read the room very well.

2007
01:36:29,772 --> 01:36:34,333
Speaker 24: I just think there was so many other things everything.

2008
01:36:35,133 --> 01:36:37,412
Speaker 24: I think people being there, that's.

2009
01:36:37,293 --> 01:36:38,213
Speaker 6: The one that I love.

2010
01:36:38,532 --> 01:36:40,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful.

2011
01:36:41,333 --> 01:36:42,652
Speaker 24: Wine, great people.

2012
01:36:43,213 --> 01:36:43,372
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2013
01:36:43,532 --> 01:36:47,252
Speaker 2: I mean I mean that's that's when Christmas is at

2014
01:36:47,253 --> 01:36:50,732
Speaker 2: its best, isn't it When when the experience isn't isn't

2015
01:36:50,853 --> 01:36:54,333
Speaker 2: isn't the is it? I've got the cliche here. Your

2016
01:36:54,452 --> 01:36:58,812
Speaker 2: presence is the presence beautiful. Your presence is the gift.

2017
01:36:59,293 --> 01:37:02,893
Speaker 2: I think it's something like that anyway, very clever. But

2018
01:37:02,973 --> 01:37:05,293
Speaker 2: then again, if I if I said, if I said

2019
01:37:05,333 --> 01:37:08,093
Speaker 2: to my kids, my present for you this Christmas is

2020
01:37:08,133 --> 01:37:10,452
Speaker 2: me being here around the tree.

2021
01:37:13,532 --> 01:37:13,732
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2022
01:37:14,452 --> 01:37:17,652
Speaker 3: Quick text to the headlines. I bought my adult children

2023
01:37:17,692 --> 01:37:21,013
Speaker 3: and partners whitewater rafting trips for Christmas last year. They

2024
01:37:21,053 --> 01:37:23,452
Speaker 3: are based in London, Wellington and Auckland. Each city has

2025
01:37:23,452 --> 01:37:26,652
Speaker 3: a commercial operator Massive Hat keep those coming through. On

2026
01:37:26,812 --> 01:37:27,732
Speaker 3: nine two ninety two.

2027
01:37:28,412 --> 01:37:30,133
Speaker 2: My son has never been to a strip club, says

2028
01:37:30,173 --> 01:37:33,852
Speaker 2: this TEXTRA nine two. I'm shouting an experience there with

2029
01:37:34,133 --> 01:37:36,852
Speaker 2: all the extras. Okay, all right, then, well that's not

2030
01:37:36,893 --> 01:37:38,932
Speaker 2: as wholesome as some of the other Lucky boy.

2031
01:37:39,173 --> 01:37:41,053
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a

2032
01:37:41,093 --> 01:37:43,612
Speaker 3: number to cool. It is twenty nine past three.

2033
01:37:46,692 --> 01:37:47,253
Speaker 4: US talks.

2034
01:37:47,253 --> 01:37:50,892
Speaker 13: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

2035
01:37:50,973 --> 01:37:53,933
Speaker 13: with a blue bubble. A report's been released from the

2036
01:37:54,013 --> 01:37:57,493
Speaker 13: first phase of the inquiry into New Zealand's COVID response,

2037
01:37:57,893 --> 01:38:00,892
Speaker 13: which points to the need for an alive government response

2038
01:38:01,173 --> 01:38:05,492
Speaker 13: and a central agency. It's thirty nine recommendations include planning

2039
01:38:05,532 --> 01:38:11,093
Speaker 13: border restrictions, better ventilating public buildings, and maintaining education through

2040
01:38:11,173 --> 01:38:15,612
Speaker 13: a pandemic. It also has recommendations on vaccine requirements and

2041
01:38:15,732 --> 01:38:20,293
Speaker 13: mitigating negative impacts. The Prime Minister is pleading with new

2042
01:38:20,412 --> 01:38:24,253
Speaker 13: zenantors to vaccinate children for hooping cough as we navigate

2043
01:38:24,333 --> 01:38:28,772
Speaker 13: growing infections. The minister overseeing the government's abuse and care

2044
01:38:28,893 --> 01:38:32,053
Speaker 13: response says the government will report back next year and

2045
01:38:32,213 --> 01:38:36,772
Speaker 13: promises it's being taken seriously. A person's been flown to

2046
01:38:36,853 --> 01:38:40,852
Speaker 13: Waikato Hospital with critical injuries after two vehicles crashed on

2047
01:38:40,933 --> 01:38:44,732
Speaker 13: State Highway thirty five north of Gisbon between Parker and

2048
01:38:45,213 --> 01:38:52,133
Speaker 13: Ahuru Harama Roads. Assurances from Pharmak switching supplies of estradial

2049
01:38:52,372 --> 01:38:56,412
Speaker 13: HRT patches from July will still work to treat menopause

2050
01:38:56,492 --> 01:39:02,372
Speaker 13: symptoms for most people. Health officials. McDonald's warnica obsession is

2051
01:39:02,572 --> 01:39:05,933
Speaker 13: bizarre and disturbing. See the full column at en Z

2052
01:39:06,093 --> 01:39:09,213
Speaker 13: Herald Premium. Back now to Matti and Tyler Adams.

2053
01:39:09,293 --> 01:39:11,932
Speaker 3: Thank you, ray Lean. It is twenty seven to four.

2054
01:39:12,333 --> 01:39:17,012
Speaker 2: We are talking about gifts that are experiences rather than objects,

2055
01:39:17,053 --> 01:39:18,293
Speaker 2: and I was just thinking of one thing that I

2056
01:39:18,333 --> 01:39:20,652
Speaker 2: took my kids to do and it was in the

2057
01:39:20,732 --> 01:39:25,093
Speaker 2: Redwoods tree Walk. Oh yeah, and that I mean, I

2058
01:39:25,173 --> 01:39:29,012
Speaker 2: don't absolutely love heights, but that was so so good

2059
01:39:29,053 --> 01:39:31,452
Speaker 2: and challenging for me, and also challenging for me when

2060
01:39:31,492 --> 01:39:33,612
Speaker 2: you've got your kids up something like that, because you

2061
01:39:33,692 --> 01:39:35,213
Speaker 2: kind of start worrying about them. This was a couple

2062
01:39:35,213 --> 01:39:37,293
Speaker 2: of years ago, but that's a great experience. If you

2063
01:39:37,333 --> 01:39:40,532
Speaker 2: give someone the red Redwood's tree Walk, yeah they'll remember

2064
01:39:40,572 --> 01:39:44,172
Speaker 2: that fat ever with the zip lines between the trees

2065
01:39:44,372 --> 01:39:46,692
Speaker 2: and you're up high and you get and you get

2066
01:39:47,213 --> 01:39:49,933
Speaker 2: a good tour guye that talks you through everything. That

2067
01:39:50,492 --> 01:39:50,852
Speaker 2: is cool.

2068
01:39:51,013 --> 01:39:51,772
Speaker 3: That was a good time.

2069
01:39:52,013 --> 01:39:54,052
Speaker 2: I mean, and I kind of get what some people

2070
01:39:54,053 --> 01:39:55,532
Speaker 2: are saying that if you give that to your kids

2071
01:39:55,612 --> 01:39:59,053
Speaker 2: under the tree, they're going to go on Christmas Day

2072
01:39:59,372 --> 01:40:02,012
Speaker 2: when they open the present, that go. But then once

2073
01:40:02,053 --> 01:40:04,812
Speaker 2: they do it, they're like, that was awesome. Yeah, that

2074
01:40:04,973 --> 01:40:05,452
Speaker 2: was awesome.

2075
01:40:05,612 --> 01:40:07,933
Speaker 3: The best thing I ever did in New Zealand. And

2076
01:40:08,333 --> 01:40:09,772
Speaker 3: I knew it would be cool, but not as cool

2077
01:40:09,772 --> 01:40:12,372
Speaker 3: as it was. Swimming with dolphins and quite corter we

2078
01:40:12,612 --> 01:40:16,533
Speaker 3: dusky dolphins. Oh yeah, and holy moly, it was almost spiritual.

2079
01:40:16,853 --> 01:40:19,333
Speaker 3: You get in there and these dolphins swimming around you

2080
01:40:20,412 --> 01:40:24,213
Speaker 3: and doing the wee this sounded dolphin makes. They's as

2081
01:40:24,253 --> 01:40:25,213
Speaker 3: close as I can get to it.

2082
01:40:26,293 --> 01:40:29,093
Speaker 2: I can't do it. Yeah, yeah, no, there's nothing like it.

2083
01:40:29,133 --> 01:40:30,012
Speaker 2: There's a phone call, mate.

2084
01:40:30,572 --> 01:40:33,053
Speaker 3: But they say to you, so you get into the

2085
01:40:33,093 --> 01:40:34,732
Speaker 3: water and you've got your snorkel on and they say

2086
01:40:34,973 --> 01:40:37,093
Speaker 3: just start singing, and I'm like, yeah right, But you

2087
01:40:37,133 --> 01:40:39,053
Speaker 3: start singing and all of a sudden, these duskies come

2088
01:40:39,093 --> 01:40:41,012
Speaker 3: swimming around you. Oh man, beautiful.

2089
01:40:41,452 --> 01:40:44,372
Speaker 2: I've swum with and I haven't swum. I've been I've

2090
01:40:44,372 --> 01:40:46,133
Speaker 2: been fishing when dolphins have come around, and it's so

2091
01:40:46,452 --> 01:40:48,812
Speaker 2: freaking cool. But I've had such bad luck with whales.

2092
01:40:49,093 --> 01:40:51,133
Speaker 2: I've gone out whale watching things in a number of

2093
01:40:51,213 --> 01:40:52,933
Speaker 2: places and they never come out for me.

2094
01:40:53,173 --> 01:40:56,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, whales hate my guts, They hate me.

2095
01:40:56,452 --> 01:40:58,173
Speaker 2: They What they need to do is, next time there's

2096
01:40:58,173 --> 01:40:59,973
Speaker 2: a beachain, just take me down there and then the

2097
01:40:59,973 --> 01:41:01,612
Speaker 2: whales will just jump out in the water and go away.

2098
01:41:01,853 --> 01:41:03,013
Speaker 2: I'll disappear before I get there.

2099
01:41:03,053 --> 01:41:05,732
Speaker 3: We'll get Project Jonna on the Phoney, Glenda, how are you?

2100
01:41:07,053 --> 01:41:08,213
Speaker 8: I'm gourd you boy?

2101
01:41:08,412 --> 01:41:10,772
Speaker 3: There were you very good? So you had a wonderful

2102
01:41:10,812 --> 01:41:12,852
Speaker 3: Christmas experience? Was it last Christmas?

2103
01:41:12,973 --> 01:41:13,093
Speaker 4: Was it.

2104
01:41:14,053 --> 01:41:19,612
Speaker 6: No, no, no, this is second two thousand. My eldest

2105
01:41:19,732 --> 01:41:28,333
Speaker 6: brother moved to Chicago many years ago and forgot to

2106
01:41:28,452 --> 01:41:36,852
Speaker 6: come home and then he brought his wife and living

2107
01:41:38,053 --> 01:41:43,412
Speaker 6: kids and grandkids back. So that was a just spacial

2108
01:41:43,612 --> 01:41:44,652
Speaker 6: special Christmas.

2109
01:41:44,732 --> 01:41:46,572
Speaker 8: So I put on a.

2110
01:41:46,652 --> 01:41:52,093
Speaker 6: Really big TV traditional Christmas, and then I said to

2111
01:41:52,333 --> 01:41:58,133
Speaker 6: my brother, bring your golf clubs over. He said, why

2112
01:41:58,173 --> 01:42:00,572
Speaker 6: are we going to bring your golf clubs over? I said,

2113
01:42:02,213 --> 01:42:07,412
Speaker 6: just bring them over. So after lunch and prezeestow bits

2114
01:42:07,492 --> 01:42:14,372
Speaker 6: and bobs, I said, right, so you get down near

2115
01:42:14,492 --> 01:42:18,532
Speaker 6: too near to there and go and play gold. What

2116
01:42:19,173 --> 01:42:22,053
Speaker 6: it's Christmas Day? I said, I've got permission and I've

2117
01:42:22,133 --> 01:42:22,772
Speaker 6: paid trap.

2118
01:42:23,492 --> 01:42:24,212
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

2119
01:42:24,372 --> 01:42:25,493
Speaker 2: That's an experience.

2120
01:42:26,692 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, it's like they still talked about it.

2121
01:42:30,572 --> 01:42:34,893
Speaker 6: We pay go from Christmas Day and we went in

2122
01:42:34,973 --> 01:42:35,492
Speaker 6: the snow.

2123
01:42:38,013 --> 01:42:39,572
Speaker 3: Love that. And what did you put on for the

2124
01:42:39,732 --> 01:42:41,772
Speaker 3: Kiwi traditional Christmas meal?

2125
01:42:41,812 --> 01:42:46,933
Speaker 25: But a pev the lamb maham. The most sigis the

2126
01:42:47,253 --> 01:42:51,852
Speaker 25: peblov you know that sort of stuff? Yeah, yeah, love it.

2127
01:42:52,093 --> 01:42:54,053
Speaker 3: There's beautiful, Glinda, thank you very much.

2128
01:42:55,013 --> 01:42:55,253
Speaker 6: Greg.

2129
01:42:55,612 --> 01:42:57,372
Speaker 3: Experiences versus prisons, what do you.

2130
01:42:57,372 --> 01:43:01,372
Speaker 9: Reagon well for me? I get presents from any of

2131
01:43:01,492 --> 01:43:06,572
Speaker 9: what I want, so down down, turning to what you expect.

2132
01:43:06,612 --> 01:43:09,572
Speaker 9: Does that makes sense? For the third day, wanted kilt,

2133
01:43:10,213 --> 01:43:12,333
Speaker 9: and there's just no way I was getting the kilt.

2134
01:43:13,093 --> 01:43:15,213
Speaker 9: They just said no. So I was like, oh, that

2135
01:43:15,372 --> 01:43:16,452
Speaker 9: was the wife and the children.

2136
01:43:16,612 --> 01:43:19,012
Speaker 2: They didn't want to They didn't want you to see

2137
01:43:19,053 --> 01:43:20,892
Speaker 2: you in a kilt. What do they have against the kilt?

2138
01:43:20,933 --> 01:43:21,492
Speaker 2: Has risen?

2139
01:43:22,853 --> 01:43:24,852
Speaker 9: They didn't mind me wearing the kilt because I'd wear

2140
01:43:24,853 --> 01:43:27,253
Speaker 9: it natural, you know, And that's that's the problem.

2141
01:43:27,452 --> 01:43:30,012
Speaker 2: But you wear natural, then man spread on the couch

2142
01:43:30,093 --> 01:43:31,372
Speaker 2: and ruined Christmas Day.

2143
01:43:31,893 --> 01:43:34,452
Speaker 9: That's that's right. So then I asked for a nice

2144
01:43:34,492 --> 01:43:36,133
Speaker 9: and I didn't get the nice that I wanted, And

2145
01:43:36,213 --> 01:43:39,012
Speaker 9: it's like, you know, and then then I'm the baddiat

2146
01:43:39,093 --> 01:43:43,412
Speaker 9: because you know, you're not appreciative of But never mind experiences.

2147
01:43:44,732 --> 01:43:47,652
Speaker 9: We went to the Olympic Games opening ceremony in Rio,

2148
01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:52,412
Speaker 9: and I didn't really want to do it because of

2149
01:43:52,452 --> 01:43:56,973
Speaker 9: the cost, because it was hellish expensive, fair person, But

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01:43:57,973 --> 01:44:01,133
Speaker 9: to this day it is the best value I've ever

2151
01:44:01,293 --> 01:44:04,532
Speaker 9: done in my life ever, And and it was the

2152
01:44:04,692 --> 01:44:07,852
Speaker 9: most expensive thing per item for a person that I've done,

2153
01:44:08,612 --> 01:44:14,972
Speaker 9: and honestly, it was absolutely just breastakingly stunning and enjoyed

2154
01:44:15,013 --> 01:44:18,052
Speaker 9: every second of it. So that was a good experience.

2155
01:44:18,492 --> 01:44:19,652
Speaker 2: How long did you spend in Rio?

2156
01:44:20,933 --> 01:44:21,053
Speaker 15: Uh?

2157
01:44:22,093 --> 01:44:22,652
Speaker 9: Teen days?

2158
01:44:23,213 --> 01:44:26,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a life changing experience.

2159
01:44:26,492 --> 01:44:29,812
Speaker 9: Expenses, No, it was. It wasn't being during the Olympic Games.

2160
01:44:29,853 --> 01:44:31,532
Speaker 9: It was you couldn't go and line on the beach

2161
01:44:33,612 --> 01:44:37,253
Speaker 9: and just everybody was trying to see something and you know,

2162
01:44:37,333 --> 01:44:39,852
Speaker 9: we were staying Onbana Beach. It was just lovely. It

2163
01:44:40,053 --> 01:44:42,973
Speaker 9: was lovely. We had a lovely time, you know. And

2164
01:44:43,133 --> 01:44:46,133
Speaker 9: so last year, because of all the presents that I

2165
01:44:46,333 --> 01:44:48,053
Speaker 9: don't get too what I said to them, I'm going

2166
01:44:48,532 --> 01:44:50,013
Speaker 9: We're going to go and I'm going to get a

2167
01:44:50,053 --> 01:44:56,612
Speaker 9: tailor made house tooth suit. And I did, and the

2168
01:44:56,692 --> 01:44:58,652
Speaker 9: first time went during it out, both my wife and

2169
01:44:58,692 --> 01:44:59,692
Speaker 9: my daughter wouldn't come with me.

2170
01:45:01,293 --> 01:45:03,652
Speaker 2: They judgment all of your fashion choices, aren't they, Greg

2171
01:45:03,732 --> 01:45:04,173
Speaker 2: Your family?

2172
01:45:04,492 --> 01:45:08,093
Speaker 9: Well, I don't blame them in some respects, but that's okay. Now,

2173
01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:10,293
Speaker 9: how they see the benefit of the hound's too certain

2174
01:45:10,293 --> 01:45:14,213
Speaker 9: and quite happy to be seen with me, isn't it.

2175
01:45:14,652 --> 01:45:16,532
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Greg Man, me and Tyler will

2176
01:45:16,572 --> 01:45:19,293
Speaker 2: get together and we'll get your cult for Christmas, definitely,

2177
01:45:19,372 --> 01:45:20,452
Speaker 2: as long as you've seen it.

2178
01:45:21,013 --> 01:45:22,973
Speaker 9: But you probably won't. You probably won't get me a

2179
01:45:23,013 --> 01:45:24,852
Speaker 9: kilt because you right, do you see how much they cost?

2180
01:45:24,973 --> 01:45:25,932
Speaker 9: Let's that's the main.

2181
01:45:26,973 --> 01:45:27,253
Speaker 10: What are you?

2182
01:45:27,452 --> 01:45:28,133
Speaker 2: What are your legs like?

2183
01:45:28,213 --> 01:45:28,452
Speaker 6: Greg?

2184
01:45:28,492 --> 01:45:30,412
Speaker 2: Have you got a decent pair of pens on you?

2185
01:45:31,452 --> 01:45:32,412
Speaker 9: Yeah? Not too bad?

2186
01:45:32,612 --> 01:45:33,532
Speaker 3: Not too bad, not too bad.

2187
01:45:33,933 --> 01:45:38,253
Speaker 9: I'm getting old now, getting old, that's all right, So yeah,

2188
01:45:39,333 --> 01:45:41,572
Speaker 9: depending on what it is. I think if you can

2189
01:45:41,692 --> 01:45:45,933
Speaker 9: get the right experience, you take experience over present, and

2190
01:45:46,053 --> 01:45:48,572
Speaker 9: they could be they could be the same thing, to

2191
01:45:48,652 --> 01:45:49,852
Speaker 9: be honest as well, couldn't they.

2192
01:45:50,333 --> 01:45:52,852
Speaker 2: I've just I've just I've just created a saying in

2193
01:45:52,973 --> 01:45:57,732
Speaker 2: my head. Create memories, not rubbish or.

2194
01:45:57,812 --> 01:45:59,372
Speaker 3: Put that work.

2195
01:46:01,412 --> 01:46:04,652
Speaker 9: My daughter has are saying. It says, it's not what

2196
01:46:04,732 --> 01:46:06,053
Speaker 9: you get at the end of the journey, it's the

2197
01:46:06,133 --> 01:46:06,932
Speaker 9: journey getting there.

2198
01:46:07,133 --> 01:46:10,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, full your mine with memories, not landfall, full of

2199
01:46:10,853 --> 01:46:11,253
Speaker 2: your crap.

2200
01:46:11,772 --> 01:46:15,333
Speaker 3: Perfectly, you heard it, Greig, Thank you very much, and

2201
01:46:15,372 --> 01:46:16,652
Speaker 3: we'll work on getting that kilt for you.

2202
01:46:16,812 --> 01:46:18,333
Speaker 2: This is a bit of a disturbing text has come

2203
01:46:18,372 --> 01:46:20,572
Speaker 2: through on ninety two nine two Mum would get us

2204
01:46:20,612 --> 01:46:24,412
Speaker 2: to take turns messaging her feet with vasseline intensive care

2205
01:46:24,652 --> 01:46:27,612
Speaker 2: around the Christmas tree. Experience like that scarred us for life.

2206
01:46:27,692 --> 01:46:29,893
Speaker 2: Great for her, not for us. She told us it

2207
01:46:29,893 --> 01:46:31,533
Speaker 2: would be good for our hands.

2208
01:46:32,093 --> 01:46:34,772
Speaker 3: To keep those ticks coming through on nineteen when I'm.

2209
01:46:34,692 --> 01:46:36,932
Speaker 2: Getting my kids for Christmas this year, you can rub

2210
01:46:37,013 --> 01:46:38,253
Speaker 2: my bunions.

2211
01:46:37,772 --> 01:46:40,372
Speaker 3: Boys, massive jarra vessel ain good for your hands. It

2212
01:46:40,692 --> 01:46:41,692
Speaker 3: is nineteen to four.

2213
01:46:45,093 --> 01:46:48,452
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2214
01:46:48,812 --> 01:46:52,492
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons you

2215
01:46:52,692 --> 01:46:54,333
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four US talks.

2216
01:46:54,333 --> 01:46:56,932
Speaker 3: They'd be good Afternoons seventeen to four. We're talking about

2217
01:46:56,973 --> 01:47:00,052
Speaker 3: experiences versus stuff and love to hear the best experience

2218
01:47:00,133 --> 01:47:03,053
Speaker 3: you've ever had in New Zealand plenty coming through on

2219
01:47:03,253 --> 01:47:06,612
Speaker 3: nine two nine two kidday guys, got my best made

2220
01:47:06,652 --> 01:47:10,452
Speaker 3: of training flight for his forty Yes he loves it.

2221
01:47:10,532 --> 01:47:12,732
Speaker 3: But the only issue was picking Wellington on a good

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01:47:12,812 --> 01:47:14,212
Speaker 3: day from James.

2223
01:47:15,213 --> 01:47:15,412
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2224
01:47:15,692 --> 01:47:17,972
Speaker 2: As my father got old, he always said he didn't

2225
01:47:18,013 --> 01:47:22,372
Speaker 2: want anything that would outlast him. Oh yeahs and experience yeah,

2226
01:47:23,133 --> 01:47:26,253
Speaker 2: or buy him something rubbish. It's definitely going to break.

2227
01:47:27,333 --> 01:47:30,093
Speaker 3: George a tap on. Given experiences from you.

2228
01:47:30,692 --> 01:47:32,653
Speaker 15: I hope he wasn't talking about his doctor.

2229
01:47:34,973 --> 01:47:35,452
Speaker 3: Very good.

2230
01:47:37,812 --> 01:47:41,612
Speaker 15: I just wanted to say I would start with always

2231
01:47:41,692 --> 01:47:44,333
Speaker 15: check the reviews when you go to send something to someone,

2232
01:47:45,732 --> 01:47:49,012
Speaker 15: I'll give him my experience. My son sent us an experience.

2233
01:47:49,093 --> 01:47:52,972
Speaker 15: As you guys are pushing this afternoon, is a great

2234
01:47:53,013 --> 01:47:56,053
Speaker 15: way to go. Yep, have a dining experience. You and

2235
01:47:56,133 --> 01:48:00,372
Speaker 15: your wife great rung up the place. The restaurant couldn't

2236
01:48:00,412 --> 01:48:05,372
Speaker 15: get through answer phone for a whole week answer phone. Finally,

2237
01:48:05,772 --> 01:48:08,893
Speaker 15: when we did get through, someone previously have put the

2238
01:48:09,093 --> 01:48:11,652
Speaker 15: phone directly to answer phone and never told the boss.

2239
01:48:13,093 --> 01:48:14,293
Speaker 15: You never got any phone calls.

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01:48:15,572 --> 01:48:16,932
Speaker 3: The boss would to make a booking.

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01:48:19,133 --> 01:48:21,492
Speaker 15: Yeah, so anyway, you know, we sort of said, well,

2242
01:48:21,572 --> 01:48:24,293
Speaker 15: this is very good for a starter anyway, unless you

2243
01:48:24,333 --> 01:48:26,093
Speaker 15: walked into the restaurant and sat down had a meal.

2244
01:48:26,173 --> 01:48:30,012
Speaker 15: So anyway, we arrived on a Sunday night. It was dark,

2245
01:48:30,213 --> 01:48:33,133
Speaker 15: it was dank. He walked into the restaurant and it's

2246
01:48:33,213 --> 01:48:35,372
Speaker 15: peeling paint on the walls. You go, this place needs

2247
01:48:35,412 --> 01:48:38,053
Speaker 15: a total upgrade. Someone needs to plate some paint to

2248
01:48:38,093 --> 01:48:39,213
Speaker 15: the walls and clean it all up.

2249
01:48:40,093 --> 01:48:40,812
Speaker 8: Well, that was fine.

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Speaker 15: The food was mediocre for the World of the bed description,

2251
01:48:44,492 --> 01:48:48,092
Speaker 15: unlike the website descriptions. Yea, the staff were pretty casual.

2252
01:48:49,013 --> 01:48:51,012
Speaker 15: On the way to the back loo, there was rubbish

2253
01:48:51,053 --> 01:48:54,772
Speaker 15: and boxes and tins and plastic things and cardboard boxes

2254
01:48:54,772 --> 01:48:57,732
Speaker 15: would used stuff and rubbish bags all stacked along the side,

2255
01:48:57,772 --> 01:49:00,213
Speaker 15: and you go, this is in the public area. What's

2256
01:49:00,253 --> 01:49:03,852
Speaker 15: this about? And they're finding the dessert. We wanted waffles,

2257
01:49:03,933 --> 01:49:05,812
Speaker 15: so they served up those square ones that you buy

2258
01:49:05,853 --> 01:49:09,772
Speaker 15: it count down. They're not even fresh, they're right bread,

2259
01:49:10,692 --> 01:49:13,973
Speaker 15: you know. So all I'm saying is, if you're going

2260
01:49:14,053 --> 01:49:15,973
Speaker 15: to buy someone for someone to take them for a

2261
01:49:16,013 --> 01:49:20,132
Speaker 15: bungee jump or whatever, get the reviews about it before

2262
01:49:20,213 --> 01:49:23,812
Speaker 15: you send them the gift, so that at least you

2263
01:49:24,013 --> 01:49:26,652
Speaker 15: know that they're going to have a good experience and

2264
01:49:27,492 --> 01:49:28,532
Speaker 15: not something else.

2265
01:49:28,812 --> 01:49:31,492
Speaker 2: Well, my good mate Jason Hoyt was given a bungee

2266
01:49:31,572 --> 01:49:33,772
Speaker 2: jump to do and then when he long, when long

2267
01:49:33,812 --> 01:49:35,053
Speaker 2: he failed the healthiest on it.

2268
01:49:36,812 --> 01:49:38,253
Speaker 3: It was his blood pressure was too high.

2269
01:49:38,372 --> 01:49:40,333
Speaker 2: There was a lot. I think he failed it on

2270
01:49:40,452 --> 01:49:43,213
Speaker 2: four different things, which was humiliating for him.

2271
01:49:45,333 --> 01:49:47,732
Speaker 15: And sometimes they touched the water when they're not supposed to,

2272
01:49:47,812 --> 01:49:49,932
Speaker 15: and sometimes they end up in the water and they're

2273
01:49:49,933 --> 01:49:52,452
Speaker 15: not supposed to. That's what that's what's wrong.

2274
01:49:52,612 --> 01:49:55,213
Speaker 2: That's what happened to me, George, when I was doing

2275
01:49:55,253 --> 01:49:57,452
Speaker 2: a bungee jump because they thought i'd be because of

2276
01:49:57,532 --> 01:49:59,492
Speaker 2: my previous TV shows I'd made. They thought I was

2277
01:49:59,492 --> 01:50:01,532
Speaker 2: going to be extreme and that I was going to

2278
01:50:01,612 --> 01:50:04,933
Speaker 2: run and jump off and do a dive. But what

2279
01:50:05,053 --> 01:50:07,652
Speaker 2: I did is I wandered up terrified and then just

2280
01:50:07,732 --> 01:50:09,932
Speaker 2: plumped off like a like a duck dive and went

2281
01:50:09,973 --> 01:50:12,452
Speaker 2: straight down. So they'd calibrated wrong, and I just went

2282
01:50:12,732 --> 01:50:15,093
Speaker 2: splashed right into the water. This is off Auckland Bridge,

2283
01:50:15,213 --> 01:50:17,333
Speaker 2: so yeah, and as I was going down, I was like,

2284
01:50:17,652 --> 01:50:18,732
Speaker 2: I'm going to hit the water here.

2285
01:50:19,853 --> 01:50:20,013
Speaker 18: Yep.

2286
01:50:20,372 --> 01:50:22,612
Speaker 2: But it was still an awesome experience.

2287
01:50:22,893 --> 01:50:23,652
Speaker 3: You remember that one.

2288
01:50:23,812 --> 01:50:25,692
Speaker 15: Did you end up in the water staying with your

2289
01:50:25,732 --> 01:50:27,372
Speaker 15: head underwater waiting for them to pull you up?

2290
01:50:29,333 --> 01:50:29,852
Speaker 16: No, I was.

2291
01:50:30,053 --> 01:50:32,173
Speaker 2: I was in the water briefly, and then then I

2292
01:50:32,293 --> 01:50:34,612
Speaker 2: was out of the water pretty quickly, thankfully, And it

2293
01:50:34,692 --> 01:50:37,093
Speaker 2: was ended up being also. Actually I felt elated as

2294
01:50:37,133 --> 01:50:39,132
Speaker 2: I came out of the water. It was a fantastic experience.

2295
01:50:39,333 --> 01:50:39,892
Speaker 2: A lot of people.

2296
01:50:40,532 --> 01:50:42,732
Speaker 15: Maybe your listeners could bring it up with a few

2297
01:50:42,812 --> 01:50:45,173
Speaker 15: of the other side of the coin, yeah, of what

2298
01:50:45,412 --> 01:50:48,333
Speaker 15: not to do what their experiences have not been good.

2299
01:50:48,612 --> 01:50:50,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, George. A

2300
01:50:50,333 --> 01:50:52,852
Speaker 2: lot of people's test texting through and I'm not sure

2301
01:50:52,893 --> 01:50:56,253
Speaker 2: how to word this, but gifts that of an amorous nature,

2302
01:50:56,612 --> 01:50:59,652
Speaker 2: an experience that you maybe put under the tree for

2303
01:50:59,772 --> 01:51:00,133
Speaker 2: your part.

2304
01:51:00,933 --> 01:51:03,253
Speaker 3: Does that ever go down? Well, if you're the feller

2305
01:51:03,412 --> 01:51:05,412
Speaker 3: and you give a week card to your wife saying

2306
01:51:05,452 --> 01:51:07,412
Speaker 3: that I'm going to give you a good time whenever you.

2307
01:51:07,452 --> 01:51:09,133
Speaker 2: Want it, I'm going to try that. I'm gonna put

2308
01:51:09,173 --> 01:51:12,013
Speaker 2: that under the tree. I've got to offer you a

2309
01:51:12,732 --> 01:51:16,253
Speaker 2: like a you know, five minutes of passion for me,

2310
01:51:16,772 --> 01:51:17,053
Speaker 2: not you.

2311
01:51:17,333 --> 01:51:18,412
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll take it.

2312
01:51:18,492 --> 01:51:20,372
Speaker 2: I'm very happy with that. That'd be a great Christmas

2313
01:51:20,812 --> 01:51:24,892
Speaker 2: get out. Not you, Tyler, Not that's Christmas. Yeah, well

2314
01:51:24,973 --> 01:51:27,612
Speaker 2: maybe next Christmas when I know you're a little bit better. Yeah, Brian,

2315
01:51:27,652 --> 01:51:29,532
Speaker 2: I'm definitely try that for my partner Tracy.

2316
01:51:29,772 --> 01:51:34,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, lucky Tracy. Right, that's been a good chat. After

2317
01:51:35,013 --> 01:51:38,852
Speaker 3: the break, we're gonna chat about cricket test Underwey At

2318
01:51:38,893 --> 01:51:40,892
Speaker 3: the moment came Williamson looking very good.

2319
01:51:41,093 --> 01:51:41,412
Speaker 5: That's right.

2320
01:51:41,452 --> 01:51:44,532
Speaker 2: We've got acc head g Lane coming into the studio

2321
01:51:44,692 --> 01:51:47,253
Speaker 2: for a wrap up of the first two sessions.

2322
01:51:47,532 --> 01:51:48,772
Speaker 3: It is twelve to four.

2323
01:51:50,293 --> 01:51:53,612
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2324
01:51:54,013 --> 01:51:57,692
Speaker 1: everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. You

2325
01:51:57,893 --> 01:52:00,572
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four used talks dead b bogs b.

2326
01:52:01,053 --> 01:52:01,892
Speaker 3: It is eight to four.

2327
01:52:02,013 --> 01:52:04,333
Speaker 2: You're listening to Matt and Tyler afternoons on news Talk

2328
01:52:04,452 --> 01:52:08,213
Speaker 2: z B joing us in the studio as acc head

2329
01:52:08,652 --> 01:52:12,572
Speaker 2: g Lane. Day one of the cricket at Hagley Oval,

2330
01:52:13,333 --> 01:52:15,412
Speaker 2: two sessions down. What's your verdict?

2331
01:52:15,452 --> 01:52:17,732
Speaker 26: Oh, look, it's a great it's great to have when

2332
01:52:17,812 --> 01:52:21,412
Speaker 26: once cricket starts. Summer's here and in christ it's thirty degrees,

2333
01:52:21,732 --> 01:52:26,173
Speaker 26: it's boiling hot. Summer is here. Much anticipated match and

2334
01:52:26,333 --> 01:52:28,812
Speaker 26: I'd have to say new Zander on top. One hundred

2335
01:52:28,812 --> 01:52:31,652
Speaker 26: and ninety three for three. We won the last session.

2336
01:52:31,853 --> 01:52:34,173
Speaker 26: Ravendra unlucky to get out. He just had a full

2337
01:52:34,213 --> 01:52:37,852
Speaker 26: toss hit straight to midwicket. But Hagley looks a picture.

2338
01:52:38,492 --> 01:52:40,932
Speaker 26: The English looked like they look very tired. They're getting

2339
01:52:40,933 --> 01:52:43,973
Speaker 26: punished by that northwester. It's hot, it's blowing.

2340
01:52:44,612 --> 01:52:47,333
Speaker 3: So it's looking good for us and kin Williamson's steady.

2341
01:52:47,333 --> 01:52:48,372
Speaker 10: The ship Williams.

2342
01:52:48,452 --> 01:52:50,412
Speaker 2: Beautiful, so is that is. I think this is thirty

2343
01:52:50,492 --> 01:52:52,572
Speaker 2: six to fifty. I mean the averages over fifty, so

2344
01:52:52,652 --> 01:52:54,812
Speaker 2: you expect him to get fifty. And the other reason

2345
01:52:54,812 --> 01:52:56,492
Speaker 2: why he doesn't have that many fifties is because he

2346
01:52:56,532 --> 01:52:59,572
Speaker 2: gets so many hundreds. But did we trick them? Did

2347
01:52:59,612 --> 01:53:01,452
Speaker 2: we trick them? And thinking it was a green seemer

2348
01:53:01,973 --> 01:53:04,572
Speaker 2: because they see the wicket, someone's going out. They're great

2349
01:53:04,612 --> 01:53:06,532
Speaker 2: ground staff down at Hagley Over They've gone out there

2350
01:53:06,532 --> 01:53:09,652
Speaker 2: with some spray paint. They've sprayed at green Bears and Stokes.

2351
01:53:09,692 --> 01:53:11,093
Speaker 2: They shouldn't a bit of their forum for it.

2352
01:53:11,133 --> 01:53:13,253
Speaker 26: They've gone and yeah, they got stucked into the trap

2353
01:53:13,333 --> 01:53:15,213
Speaker 26: ash and the team down there has put a green

2354
01:53:15,293 --> 01:53:18,452
Speaker 26: rinse through the pitch. I think either team, if they'd

2355
01:53:18,452 --> 01:53:19,892
Speaker 26: won the toss, they would have bowled. I think that's

2356
01:53:19,933 --> 01:53:22,972
Speaker 26: what you do at Hagley any season. But unfortunately there's

2357
01:53:23,013 --> 01:53:24,652
Speaker 26: not actually not much in it. There's not much in

2358
01:53:24,732 --> 01:53:25,372
Speaker 26: the in the wicket.

2359
01:53:25,452 --> 01:53:26,452
Speaker 10: And look, this is the.

2360
01:53:26,452 --> 01:53:28,492
Speaker 26: First time in a very long time we haven't had

2361
01:53:28,532 --> 01:53:31,852
Speaker 26: Stuart Broad and Jimmy Anderson tormenting it. Yeah, so it's

2362
01:53:31,893 --> 01:53:33,452
Speaker 26: actually it's quite it's quite refreshing.

2363
01:53:33,772 --> 01:53:35,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, But is it one of those situations and as

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01:53:35,732 --> 01:53:38,213
Speaker 2: a long time black Caps fan, I fail to see

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01:53:38,213 --> 01:53:40,812
Speaker 2: the positive side and everything, and I'm immediately going if

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01:53:40,853 --> 01:53:42,852
Speaker 2: we're going well, does that just mean England's going to

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01:53:42,893 --> 01:53:43,173
Speaker 2: go well?

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01:53:43,492 --> 01:53:46,812
Speaker 26: No, Matt Henry, he's our secret weapon the ground.

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01:53:46,973 --> 01:53:47,532
Speaker 10: Matt Henry.

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01:53:47,572 --> 01:53:51,253
Speaker 26: When he gets that lovely behind going into that with

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01:53:51,572 --> 01:53:53,333
Speaker 26: the win behind him, I think he's going to be

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01:53:53,572 --> 01:53:55,133
Speaker 26: He's going to be the player to watch when they

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01:53:55,213 --> 01:53:55,852
Speaker 26: when they're betting.

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01:53:56,093 --> 01:53:59,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben Stokes temperaments he's looking very frustrated over the

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01:53:59,612 --> 01:54:00,372
Speaker 3: last couple of hours.

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01:54:00,572 --> 01:54:03,293
Speaker 26: Yes, he hasn't bold overly well either. He's taken a

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01:54:03,333 --> 01:54:05,652
Speaker 26: bit of tap, Ben Stokes, but like he'll come back

2378
01:54:05,732 --> 01:54:06,572
Speaker 26: better than his hairline.

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01:54:07,173 --> 01:54:07,893
Speaker 10: Do you worry about that?

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01:54:08,013 --> 01:54:10,053
Speaker 26: There is a specials amount of he has appeared on

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01:54:10,133 --> 01:54:13,253
Speaker 26: it and he might have had a trip to Turkey

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01:54:13,293 --> 01:54:13,852
Speaker 26: at some stage.

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01:54:13,933 --> 01:54:15,812
Speaker 2: Well, that tends to happen to the crickets. Cricket is

2384
01:54:15,812 --> 01:54:18,333
Speaker 2: one of those sports where you know, with the advanced here, Yeah, yeah,

2385
01:54:18,333 --> 01:54:20,612
Speaker 2: where it's one sport and it's one area where there's

2386
01:54:20,692 --> 01:54:22,612
Speaker 2: no judgment at all. If you're here, suddenly it comes

2387
01:54:22,652 --> 01:54:23,372
Speaker 2: back absolutely.

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01:54:23,612 --> 01:54:23,812
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:54:23,933 --> 01:54:28,093
Speaker 2: You can go full elon Musker knowing questions about it. Yeah,

2390
01:54:28,173 --> 01:54:30,333
Speaker 2: so you've got to say we were sitting out how

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01:54:30,333 --> 01:54:32,253
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety three for three. Where would you

2392
01:54:32,333 --> 01:54:33,852
Speaker 2: like to see us at the end of the day today?

2393
01:54:33,973 --> 01:54:35,932
Speaker 26: I would like to see us probably at about two

2394
01:54:36,053 --> 01:54:39,053
Speaker 26: eighty I'd take another wicket to eighty for four at

2395
01:54:39,053 --> 01:54:41,613
Speaker 26: the end of day one I would take and that

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01:54:41,812 --> 01:54:43,453
Speaker 26: we'll put a lot of pressure on England because once

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01:54:43,493 --> 01:54:45,772
Speaker 26: you got runs on the board, that'll come out swinging

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01:54:45,812 --> 01:54:47,053
Speaker 26: as well. And I don't have this is the kind

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01:54:47,093 --> 01:54:49,493
Speaker 26: of patch you can do that, particularly with Matt Henry

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01:54:49,533 --> 01:54:50,173
Speaker 26: nipping it around.

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01:54:50,333 --> 01:54:53,453
Speaker 2: And you know, I've been fully concentrating on this radio

2402
01:54:53,533 --> 01:54:56,493
Speaker 2: show here and I haven't been watching the cricket cricket,

2403
01:54:56,533 --> 01:54:59,053
Speaker 2: but if we had many shots of Brendan McCullum and

2404
01:54:59,253 --> 01:55:02,093
Speaker 2: sitting in the extit that that feels weird, doesn't it?

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01:55:02,493 --> 01:55:02,693
Speaker 6: Whole?

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01:55:03,373 --> 01:55:04,973
Speaker 2: You know, it's not the first time obviously we've been

2407
01:55:05,013 --> 01:55:08,852
Speaker 2: in this situation. But bears bears being over here, and

2408
01:55:08,973 --> 01:55:11,453
Speaker 2: he's a South Island boy. He used to live in

2409
01:55:12,812 --> 01:55:14,333
Speaker 2: South and Eaton made he's not a Canta. He had

2410
01:55:14,333 --> 01:55:15,973
Speaker 2: a house and he had a.

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01:55:15,973 --> 01:55:18,972
Speaker 10: House there for a while, but he's now cheeks manna.

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01:55:19,213 --> 01:55:23,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, putting all his English cash

2413
01:55:23,533 --> 01:55:27,173
Speaker 2: into horses. But I mean that's a that's a weird vibe,

2414
01:55:27,213 --> 01:55:27,493
Speaker 2: isn't it.

2415
01:55:27,573 --> 01:55:30,893
Speaker 26: And you know, like New Zealand's favorite cricketing son, and

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01:55:30,973 --> 01:55:34,693
Speaker 26: it's really difficult watching him in that English three Lions

2417
01:55:34,812 --> 01:55:38,932
Speaker 26: shirt and like scheming with Ben Stokes, another New Zealander,

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01:55:39,173 --> 01:55:41,573
Speaker 26: it just seems a little just I don't know how

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01:55:41,613 --> 01:55:42,213
Speaker 26: to feel about it.

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01:55:42,413 --> 01:55:44,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't feel great about it. But they've

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01:55:44,933 --> 01:55:47,653
Speaker 2: both got great sleeves, you know, great great tats those too,

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01:55:47,933 --> 01:55:48,253
Speaker 2: they do.

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01:55:48,333 --> 01:55:48,533
Speaker 4: They do.

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01:55:48,693 --> 01:55:51,133
Speaker 10: He does look dangerously sunburnt as well. Ben Stokes. I

2425
01:55:51,173 --> 01:55:53,093
Speaker 10: don't know if he's been warned about the harsh New

2426
01:55:53,173 --> 01:55:53,613
Speaker 10: Zealand son.

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01:55:53,733 --> 01:55:56,052
Speaker 3: Surely he has yea. And the people of christ Church

2428
01:55:56,493 --> 01:55:59,453
Speaker 3: showing their support massively. Great to see sal out at

2429
01:55:59,493 --> 01:56:00,213
Speaker 3: Hagley Oval.

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01:56:00,253 --> 01:56:02,772
Speaker 26: Beautiful Oval, one of the best cricket grounds between that

2431
01:56:03,613 --> 01:56:06,293
Speaker 26: Bay Oval Basin Reserve and Sedon Park.

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01:56:06,373 --> 01:56:07,413
Speaker 10: It's great cricket grounds.

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01:56:07,493 --> 01:56:09,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there is all of course the bes

2434
01:56:09,493 --> 01:56:11,972
Speaker 2: McCallum red wine trap as well, so when he gets

2435
01:56:12,013 --> 01:56:14,733
Speaker 2: home he gets very, very thirsty. So there's a good

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01:56:14,853 --> 01:56:17,413
Speaker 2: chance that the England team have been well hydrated over

2437
01:56:17,413 --> 01:56:19,733
Speaker 2: the last couple of days instead of preparing for the game.

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01:56:19,812 --> 01:56:21,852
Speaker 26: Well, look, rumors are that the cricket's getting in the

2439
01:56:21,893 --> 01:56:25,493
Speaker 26: way of their golf tour. They just start down in

2440
01:56:25,573 --> 01:56:27,972
Speaker 26: Queenstown with their warm up game. I hear the hills

2441
01:56:28,013 --> 01:56:29,653
Speaker 26: may have been attended in Jack's Points.

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01:56:29,733 --> 01:56:30,333
Speaker 15: So there you go.

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01:56:30,733 --> 01:56:33,852
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. Okay, one hundred and ninety three

2444
01:56:33,973 --> 01:56:37,293
Speaker 2: for three. They'll be back out shortly. Give them a

2445
01:56:37,373 --> 01:56:38,293
Speaker 2: taste of kiwi.

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01:56:38,693 --> 01:56:41,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice to see you mate. That is us for today.

2447
01:56:41,533 --> 01:56:43,293
Speaker 3: We'll do it all again tomorrow and.

2448
01:56:43,413 --> 01:56:45,413
Speaker 2: The ACC coverage on iHeartRadio.

2449
01:56:45,493 --> 01:56:48,812
Speaker 26: Yeah, just search cricket on iHeartRadio, over covering every game

2450
01:56:49,053 --> 01:56:49,573
Speaker 26: all summer.

2451
01:56:49,812 --> 01:56:53,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. ACC. Here Glane tomorrow on

2452
01:56:53,173 --> 01:56:56,053
Speaker 2: the show New Zealander of the Week. Yeah, who could

2453
01:56:56,093 --> 01:56:57,932
Speaker 2: it be? It might be Ben Stokes at this right.

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01:56:58,013 --> 01:57:00,333
Speaker 3: Yeap, looking forward to that. Thank you for today. We'll

2455
01:57:00,373 --> 01:57:02,812
Speaker 3: do it all again tomorrow. See you then.

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01:57:23,933 --> 01:57:26,812
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