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Speaker 2: Welcome, oning't you and welcome to my last early edition

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Speaker 2: of the year and coming up over the next hour.

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Speaker 2: A coroner's report tells us the agency is helping to

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Speaker 2: prevent suicide, are letting too many young people fall through

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Speaker 2: five road Cone hysteria gave us a hotline. Now it's gone.

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Speaker 2: What happened there? That story in ten and this week

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Speaker 2: we found out the state of the government's books. Today

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Speaker 2: we'll find out just how the country is going with

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Speaker 2: the GDP figures out west PAX predictions. Just before six,

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Speaker 2: we'll have correspondence from America and right around New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and news as it breaks, and you can have your

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Speaker 2: eighteenth of December. Naved Akra, the surviving suspect in Sunday's

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Speaker 2: mass shooting at Bundai Beach in Sydney has been charged

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Speaker 2: with fifty nine offenses, including fifteen counts of murder at

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Speaker 2: one of committing a terrorist act. Meanwhile, the first of

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Speaker 2: the funerals has taken place in Sydney. It's very emotional,

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Speaker 2: thousands gathering to mourn. Rabbi Eli Schlanger.

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Speaker 2: For sec and ten year old Matilda's parents have spoken

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Speaker 4: This is a campaign pressure to try to get rid

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Speaker 4: course of ours field supporting Nicolas Malulo in country.

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Speaker 2: And to La and Los Angeles. Persecutors have charged Nick

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Speaker 4: Your loss is beyond tragic, and we have we will

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Speaker 2: He faces two counts of first degree murder with aggravating circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Life without parole or even the death penalty is on

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Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth

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Speaker 1: analysis earlier this year within Andrew Dickens and are the Supercenter,

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Speaker 2: Well, I've never had a problem with road cones. I

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Speaker 2: have had a problem with excessively expensive traffic management plans

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Speaker 2: that have prevented many events from even taking place. But

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Speaker 2: construction workers, and those workers are making things better for

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Speaker 2: and where the projectors finished, the road cones disappear, and

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Speaker 2: So I see road cones as a symptom of progress. Now,

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Speaker 2: the rogue cone hotline always seem like a stunt to me.

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Speaker 2: It appealed to talk back callers who didn't have the

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Speaker 2: They were a moan that united us. And so it's

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Speaker 2: then the obvious answer was not to make a hotline.

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Speaker 2: So over road coding was no longer compliant. Well, that

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Speaker 2: And these kids were in contact with a number of agencies,

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Speaker 2: So Krain and Tanya Teti Haha says the system is

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Speaker 2: broken after probing the suicides of six young people, these

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Speaker 2: some of these children, some of these young people had

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Speaker 2: or this will keep happening. My work psychologist Sarah Chatwin

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Speaker 2: is with me this morning. Good morning to you, Sarah. Sorry, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: How on earth does this happen? How do so many

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Speaker 5: That was a particularly hard read, And you know, it's

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Speaker 2: Well, with so many agencies seventeen some had contact with seventeen,

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Speaker 5: clearly looks to be that because there is no continuity

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Speaker 5: You think to yourself, wow, we can understand the coroner's suggestion,

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Speaker 5: you know, they had been through they had seen thirteen agencies,

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Speaker 2: If they create a single coordinated care pathway, it's still

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Speaker 2: they've just been amalgamated into one unit.

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Speaker 5: So well, I think the key is that that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 5: The key is that if you are providing a single

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Speaker 5: You clearly have to put people in place that have,

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Speaker 5: have this problem oh, yes, in New Zealand, we clearly

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Speaker 5: be an amalgamation. A single pathway that the coroner suggests

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Speaker 5: this isn't working, and the people who are in this

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Speaker 2: Right, Sarah chah And and I thank you. Yes, attending a

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Speaker 2: to see. Firstly, the who believe We've put them there

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Speaker 2: The Rogue Cone hotline came and went. It's life short lived.

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Speaker 2: The government says job done, data collected awkward bit. Ninety

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Speaker 2: three percent of complaints were about cones that were perfectly

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Speaker 2: fine under the rules. The Temporary Traffic Management Industry Steering

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Speaker 6: Hello Dave, morning.

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Speaker 2: Are was this a waste of time?

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Speaker 6: I'd say there's a couple of as well as to

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Speaker 6: look at the silver lining, there's maybe a couple of

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Speaker 6: useful things that have come out of it, But generally

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Speaker 6: i'd say it's probably a distraction. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Was it a stunt or was the data collection that

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Speaker 6: I'd say some of the data could be quite useful.

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Speaker 6: them working on the topic well. And so some of

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Speaker 6: the data they've collected might be useful, but I'd say

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Speaker 6: it probably doesn't isn't valid based on the effort put

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Speaker 2: It's obvious when they say ninety three percent of the

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Speaker 2: complaints were about cones that were perfectly fine. That means

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Speaker 2: they were compliant. So the complainants were complaining about something

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Speaker 2: This fluid that's going around Europe's pretty something, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about an electric double decker bus.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, christ Church will soon home to the country's

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Speaker 2: Toll, we go in Wellington. Merry Christmas, yes, and to you.

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Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I thought we might get through the rest

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Speaker 2: Wendy Petrie from Auckland joints week, Mary Christmas, turn your

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Speaker 11: Ah Christmas and Merry Christmas before you.

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Speaker 2: So, Wendy, tell me about the trains in Auckland.

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Speaker 11: Well, there's disappointment as Auckland Transport sets up for another

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Speaker 2: for is when the CRL comes in that we don't

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Speaker 2: have these closures anymore now delays. How's Aukan's weather?

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Speaker 11: Well, I seems to always come right at the moment,

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Speaker 11: doesn't it. It sort of starts off a bit cloudy, so

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Speaker 11: I think it's a fine day with some cloudy periods,

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Speaker 11: a few showers easing the afternoon, southwesterlyis and a high

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Speaker 2: To me, I thank you so much. So look just

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Speaker 2: quick note. End of the year and time to review

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Speaker 2: it and the head of the Public Service, so Brian

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Speaker 2: Wroach released a report on the state of public service

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Speaker 2: and I haven't had time to mention it this week

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Speaker 2: because of Bondai and all, but this is my last

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Speaker 2: early edition for the year, so here we go. This

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Speaker 2: report is not good. It shows just how bigger beasts

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Speaker 2: the public service is and how hard it is to

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Speaker 2: make it smaller and more efficient. Brian says the public

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Speaker 2: service is facing big old risks due to insufficient talent development,

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Speaker 2: a lack of joined up thinking in a slow uptake

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Speaker 2: of technologies that they're not getting into the AI. And meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: the service is still pretty big despite all the cuts

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Speaker 2: they've been creating new roles, so the sector isn't that

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Speaker 2: much smaller. According to Brian sixty six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: four staff now compared to the peak of sixty five,

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Speaker 2: six hundred and ninety nine, we have forty three departments,

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Speaker 2: departmental agencies and interdepartmental executive boards of various sizes and

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Speaker 2: mandates operating right now. That's a lot. Brian says. This

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Speaker 2: is more than small advanced economies. The complexity limits our

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Speaker 2: ability to manage costs, maintain critical capacity and deliver joined

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Speaker 2: up services with a system perspective. Wow. And so Brian's

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Speaker 2: in charge, and he knows what's wrong, and presumably he

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Speaker 2: also knows how to make it better, but his report

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Speaker 2: shows it's not going to be easy to do. We're

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Speaker 2: off to American next. This is news talks, heb It's sixteen.

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Speaker 1: To six international correspondence with ins and eye insurance, peace

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Speaker 1: of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: It's fourteen to six. Off to the United States. We

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Speaker 2: go and Shagriti. Dave joins me. How a Shagruti, Hi, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. So Donald Trump has announced a blockade of

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Speaker 2: sanctioned oil tankers in and out of Venezuela or them.

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Speaker 12: So yes, this is specifically in a truth social post

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Speaker 12: that Donald Trump said that he is going to block

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Speaker 12: and start a blockade of sanctioned oil tankers. Now this

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Speaker 12: isn't all oil tankers in and out of Venezuela because

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Speaker 12: that would be against international law. He's essentially enforcing existing

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Speaker 12: sanctions sanctions on sanctioned oiled vessels. So those vessels that

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Speaker 12: are under sanctions, they will not be allowed and they

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Speaker 12: are out of Venezuela. And that is going to be

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Speaker 12: very difficult for Venezuela's economy because it exports oil as

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Speaker 12: its main source of income sales to countries like China,

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Speaker 12: and this is going to be a big problem. Mean,

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Speaker 12: a lot of its is transported on sanctioned vessels as well.

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Speaker 12: And Donald Trump is saying the goal of this is

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Speaker 12: to stop drug trafficking and getting narcotics into the United States,

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Speaker 12: similar to the justification behind the attacks on the boats,

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Speaker 12: but Venezuela is saying that the aim is to cripple

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Speaker 12: the country and get hold of its oil. And in

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Speaker 12: Truth Social in that truth Social post, Donald Trump was

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Speaker 12: threatening that this blockade will that Venezuela is completely surrounded

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Speaker 12: by the largest armader ever assembled in the history of

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Speaker 12: South America, and that it will only get bigger until

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Speaker 12: such a time as they return to the United States

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Speaker 12: of America all of the oil, land and other assets

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Speaker 12: that they previously stole from US. It's not clear exactly

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Speaker 12: what he means by that, but it seems to be

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Speaker 12: a reference to Venezuela's nationalization of its oil industry under

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Speaker 12: Hugo Chavez, which meant that, you know, American and Western

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Speaker 12: oil companies had to leave the country either voluntarily or

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Speaker 12: they were kicked out. But this is sort of part

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Speaker 12: of the ongoing issues that the United States has moved Venezuela,

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Speaker 12: and it's.

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Speaker 2: Really mean, well, the whole countries are actually a charda

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Speaker 2: around the water cooler about Donald Trump's chief of staff,

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Speaker 2: Susie Wilds, who's been given the gossip to Vanity Fear

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Speaker 2: over sixteen interviews.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so this is quite an extraordinary piece. It's caused

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Speaker 12: shock waves within Washington because partly because it's so rare

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Speaker 12: to hear a chief of staff on the record, and

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Speaker 12: not least a chief of staff speaking so openly. It

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Speaker 12: seems on the record. She has made several comments, some

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Speaker 12: of them not particularly flattering, I guess about various members

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Speaker 12: of the cabinet even of the President himself. She says

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Speaker 12: that he's got an alcoholics personality, which Donald Trump has

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Speaker 12: responded to in an interview with The New York Times,

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Speaker 12: saying that you know, he's not offended by this at all.

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Speaker 12: He's famously a teetotaler, actually, but he said, you know,

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Speaker 12: if he were to drink, he probably would be an alcoholic,

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Speaker 12: because he says he has a possessive and addictive type personality.

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Speaker 12: But he's expressed confidence in Wilds's ability to continue. And

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Speaker 12: Wiles was talking about this in terms of the context

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Speaker 12: of her own up bringing. Her dad was an alcoholic,

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Speaker 12: so she sort of understands the big personality types that

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Speaker 12: you know that she's often had to work with in

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Speaker 12: the cabinet. But yeah, this is an extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: It is a article. I read it yesterday after seeing

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Speaker 2: the news on when got it ahead of read it,

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Speaker 2: and it is I mean, it gives you an insight

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Speaker 2: to the inside of what's happening in the Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: White House, and it's fascinating and entertaining all on the

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Speaker 2: same time. Jaguti dave, I thank you very much. It

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Speaker 2: is now ten minutes two six zeb so it's didypday.

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Speaker 2: The final read for the year, we had a zero

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Speaker 2: point nine percent drop in June. Banks are expecting to

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Speaker 2: bounce back, some are saying one percent. West Tax chief

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Speaker 2: economists Kelly Echol who joins me, Now, Hello, Kelly, good morning,

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Speaker 2: and what do you think.

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Speaker 13: Well, then we're going to get a pretty good quarter

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Speaker 13: this time around. We've got zero point nine percent gain

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Speaker 13: in the forecast, so basically felling in that hole that

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Speaker 13: we saw in Q two.

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Speaker 2: So where are getting the hint that it's going to

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Speaker 2: be good? Is that retail figures are one.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's actually quite across the board this time, which

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Speaker 13: is quite encouraging because I mean in previous quarters where

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Speaker 13: we have seen strength, it's been quite narrowly based, particularly

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Speaker 13: around the agricultural sector. So what we can kind of

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Speaker 13: see here and the indicators is that a lot of

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Speaker 13: the indicators of the services sector center have done quite well.

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Speaker 13: So we have had decent retail trade, We've had some

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Speaker 13: decent construction figures, but it does look like all through

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Speaker 13: the professional services type sectors there's been decent activity there

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Speaker 13: as well, So we're looking for a broad based result.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that we just got our

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Speaker 2: mojo back that we've got some confidence, and now people

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Speaker 2: are prepared to commit some capital after sitting on their hands.

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Speaker 13: I certainly think this is one of the better results

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Speaker 13: I've seen in a couple will be one of the

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Speaker 13: better results we've seen in a couple of years, assuming

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Speaker 13: the forecast right. Because of that broader based nature, I

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Speaker 13: think it's probably a little bit too early to assess,

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Speaker 13: because there remains quite a lot of volatility in this data.

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Speaker 13: You know, for example, what this result would do is

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Speaker 13: fill in a big hole from the previous quarter. There's

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Speaker 13: still quite a pronounced seasonal pattern. We need to see

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Speaker 13: two or three quarters of this before you can really

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Speaker 13: confidently say that you're on a on an underlying upward

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Speaker 13: trend to reckon.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I've got we've got the RB who's getting a

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Speaker 2: bit upset that retail banks are putting their interest rates up,

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Speaker 2: which is not what they wanted, so and they're going

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Speaker 2: to get this figure. What do you think this is

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Speaker 2: going to mean for the RB heading into the new

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Speaker 2: year and our interest rates?

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean, I don't think it means anything for

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Speaker 13: our interest rates in the short term. And you would

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Speaker 13: have seen the renew rezipient Governor on the on the

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Speaker 13: tapes recently, really making that point quite forcefully now that

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Speaker 13: they're not really looking at the term rate rise. But

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Speaker 13: this data is going to fill in some of the

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Speaker 13: hole that they saw in capacity in the economy in

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Speaker 13: the last year or so. I mean, they only expected

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Speaker 13: and increased a zero point four percent in this quarter,

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Speaker 13: so there's going to be quite a lot better than that.

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Speaker 13: So they should be probably a lot more comfortable that

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Speaker 13: the economy is in a better place.

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Speaker 2: Kelly, I thank you and I hope you're right. And

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Speaker 2: this is NEWB and it's coming up seven to six.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Early Edition with r V Supercenter explore

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Speaker 1: RV's accessories and servicing all in one news to.

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Speaker 2: Heather to perceive Alan, Merry Christmas to you because this

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Speaker 2: is the last time I'll see you this year. Are

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Speaker 2: you not here tomorrow? I'm not here tomorrow. I'm doing

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Speaker 2: the drive show tomorrow. Oh lord, yeah, musical chairs.

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Speaker 14: Well this is this is Ryan leaving one day before

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Speaker 14: everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess so I don't know. I'm not preventing

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Speaker 2: these high level conversations, but what I am is a

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Speaker 2: fool because they found me up a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: You know, could you do the drive on sure? I

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Speaker 2: could do the drive on Friday. Don't have to wake

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Speaker 2: up early. It's going to be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, get home. And Helen says, well,

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Speaker 2: we might have gone down to the beach then, and

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Speaker 2: now you can't leave it until seven, and why are

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Speaker 2: you doing it? And I said, I don't know, but Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Ryan's buggering off early.

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Speaker 14: Well, I mean, do you because if you leave at seven,

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Speaker 14: you're going to get to the beach at nine, which

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Speaker 14: is okay actually, and that way you're going to miss

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Speaker 14: the worst of the traffic on the Saturday, i'd imagine.

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Speaker 14: So we're planning your life for.

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Speaker 2: You right now. I could just go home and get

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Speaker 2: a takeaway and open a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 14: And then and then or you could make Helen drive

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Speaker 14: and then you could you take away and drink your

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Speaker 14: bottle of wine in the car.

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Speaker 2: I think she's going today. I think she's she's leaving

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Speaker 2: you behind. Yeah, I love this.

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Speaker 14: This is such great female independence. I mean, don't you

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Speaker 14: sometimes just want to say I am going to discover you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I called Helen the other day, I said,

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Speaker 2: look in this household. You're the alpha. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: you've had exactly the same conversation multiple times. Yeah.

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Speaker 14: In fact, it's got to the point where when you

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Speaker 14: ask the children iggy who's the boss, the finger goes

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Speaker 14: straight at me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's all right, I'm Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 14: Isn't it wonderful to be the passenger though, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a passenger. I am, I am, I am.

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Speaker 2: I forged my own thing. I'm an independent man with

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Speaker 2: my own independent money and I you know got listen,

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Speaker 2: you sound like a woman from one hundred years. Well,

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Speaker 2: this is a this is a gender roleship, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Turn around? And there's many men out there who have

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Speaker 2: fantastic women as their partners and they know their place. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's right.

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Speaker 14: Listen, we're going to talk about the GDP today because

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Speaker 14: that numbers should be good. So we're going to head

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Speaker 14: off to the Christmas break feeling a little bit good

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Speaker 14: about the economic recovery tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I think all right. Next year, put Merry Christmas to

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Speaker 2: Barry Merry Christmas. The producer kens he with almost six

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Speaker 2: months this year. You're great, Thank you so much.

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