Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter
Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.
Speaker 2: A house is a hole, even when it starts, even
Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, and even
Speaker 2: when the dog is too old to barrow, and when
Speaker 2: you're sitting at the table trying to start have scissor hole,
Speaker 2: even when we move a band, even when you're there alone.
Speaker 2: A house is a hole, even when those goes, even
Speaker 2: when you got around from the ones you love your
Speaker 2: most stream, those broken plaints, feeling from the wood.
Speaker 1: Locals visible when they're gone leaving the.
Speaker 2: House, even when we'll then, even when you're very.
Speaker 3: Long and a very very good morning, and welcome along
Speaker 3: to the Resident Builder on Sunday. Just coming up for
Speaker 3: eight minutes after six on what was proving to be
Speaker 3: a very lovely Sunday. It was a beautiful, beautiful glimpse
Speaker 3: of a sunrise that I saw on my way in
Speaker 3: this morning. Pretty spectacular moon with the clouds last night
Speaker 3: as well, high tide late in the evenings. It's all
Speaker 3: sounding pretty good. So if you've got a project that
Speaker 3: is underway that you would like to talk about, discuss, argue,
Speaker 3: maybe have a bit of a debate about which products,
Speaker 3: which methodology, how to find good trades people, how to
Speaker 3: keep things on bud. All things construction and building related
Speaker 3: we can talk about on the show this morning, as
Speaker 3: we always do here at news Talk s HEDB on
Speaker 3: a Sunday morning. Very good morning. My name's Peak wolf Camp,
Speaker 3: the resident builder, and this is a show all about
Speaker 3: your place. So if like me, you had a couple
Speaker 3: of little projects on during the course of the week,
Speaker 3: or you've got a couple little lined up for the
Speaker 3: weak ahead. Now I'm going to say I'm going to
Speaker 3: be doing vapor barrier. This is part of Healthy Homes
Speaker 3: Compliance on a project this week, But that would only
Speaker 3: be partly true. To be fair, I have a couple
Speaker 3: of guys coming to help me to do vapor barrier,
Speaker 3: and I suspect that I'll be really honest, they will
Speaker 3: spend more time crawling around under this particular unit than
Speaker 3: I might be. I am, therefore supervision, coordination, management and
Speaker 3: oversight rather than I've done my dash. I think crawling
Speaker 3: around underneath houses, I will probably be in there. We've
Speaker 3: got to clear out the space, We've got a level
Speaker 3: air off, We're going to install a vapor barrier down
Speaker 3: there's already under floor insulation that's been done on this
Speaker 3: particular property, and then we'll have a bit of a
Speaker 3: tidy up under there. Because it's amazing what ends up
Speaker 3: under the house, isn't it.
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Typically it becomes the storage space in a flash way
Speaker 3: of looking at it. But typically it's just a dumping
Speaker 3: ground for stuff that you couldn't be bothered taking down
Speaker 3: to the tip. Or if you are like me, and
Speaker 3: there will be many who are for our sins, it'll
Speaker 3: be old need that one day. There will be that
Speaker 3: piece of timber, there will be that offcut, there will
Speaker 3: be I've put underneath the house the other day, like
Speaker 3: one quarter of a bag of pea straw. Now, why
Speaker 3: didn't I just use it up right? Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I might be able to use that later on. I
Speaker 3: just pop down underneath the house with the half a
Speaker 3: bag of sap seven probably an old bag of cement
Speaker 3: that's rock solid by now, But it's all underneath the
Speaker 3: saying that the other day someone did say to me, look,
Speaker 3: we've got this little repair. I need a particular type
Speaker 3: of molding, and what they call an eve's molding, which
Speaker 3: looks like a bit of quarter around with a square
Speaker 3: edge on it. It's a typical sort of villa detail.
Speaker 3: We've just got a little rotten bit of that right
Speaker 3: at the end of the eve. Do you know where
Speaker 3: I can get it? And I was like, oh, stand
Speaker 3: by caller, straight underneath the house and there it was
Speaker 3: a piece that I had left over from a job
Speaker 3: from oh, I don't know, fifteen twenty years ago, but hey,
Speaker 3: I used it up and felt pretty good about that
Speaker 3: as well. So if you've got a little building project
Speaker 3: that is going on that you'd like to talk about,
Speaker 3: or a big building project that you'd like to talk about,
Speaker 3: or perhaps you'd like to talk about compliance and regulation,
Speaker 3: we can do all of that on the show this morning.
Speaker 3: If you have any particular painting questions, one of our
Speaker 3: painting experts, which is Bryce McDermott, regular contributor to the show,
Speaker 3: will be available from seven twenty this morning. So if
Speaker 3: you've got any specific text text those questions through any
Speaker 3: painting questions, I've got a a couple little lined up
Speaker 3: as well. I want to have a we look and
Speaker 3: think about the whether to go water borne enamel or
Speaker 3: oil born or solvent born enamels for exterior joinery again
Speaker 3: in an area that they just get. You know, it's
Speaker 3: north facing, right, it's timber, and it's north facing. It's
Speaker 3: going to move, it's going to crack. Which paint is
Speaker 3: the most suitable? So old Dash in there first, unless
Speaker 3: you beat me to it by sending a couple of
Speaker 3: texts about painting questions for Bryce, our painting expert from
Speaker 3: Razine at around seven twenty this morning. As always, we
Speaker 3: have tracked down a red Cline pass who is on
Speaker 3: the road this morning. He will be joining us at
Speaker 3: eight point thirty this morning. If you've got a building
Speaker 3: question though, and we always get busy a bit later
Speaker 3: in the show, so now is a great time to call.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is that number? So eight
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to text, the
Speaker 3: number is nine two nine two ISBZB from your mobile phone.
Speaker 3: And I've remembered my password for the email, so you
Speaker 3: can send me an email if you wish. That's Pete
Speaker 3: at newstalksb dot co dot z. So I trust you've
Speaker 3: had a good week. If you're back to work, I
Speaker 3: hope that's going okay. If you're sort of on that
Speaker 3: kind of part time. I'm sort of working, but I
Speaker 3: don't mind if I knock off a bit early and
Speaker 3: go to the beach. Good on you, and if you've
Speaker 3: managed to stretch out the summer holidays for another week
Speaker 3: or congratulations well planned. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call? M ah apparently otago
Speaker 3: this morning, but cloudy, cold and miserable has been since Thursday.
Speaker 3: Um talking about installation. Come back to that one in
Speaker 3: a minute. It's a good text. Actually, I want to
Speaker 3: be ah. I want texts already coming in. I want
Speaker 3: to build a large garden shed. It's going to need
Speaker 3: about one point five cubic meters of concrete. Should I
Speaker 3: do bags or get a truck in bags? To be fair,
Speaker 3: bags are great as in premax bags of sand and cement,
Speaker 3: but for one point five cubic meters you are going
Speaker 3: to need like a palette and a half of bags.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to do the numbers whether it would be
Speaker 3: cheaper at one point five cube. I would go for
Speaker 3: a truck to be fair, and there's a couple of benefits.
Speaker 3: One is I think you'll probably find that it's better
Speaker 3: mixed in a truck. Than it is. You're doing it
Speaker 3: in a wheelbarrow by hand, with a whole bunch of bags.
Speaker 3: Dollars wise, I would say possibly be even a little
Speaker 3: bit cheaper. I think minimum load charges, so you get
Speaker 3: a small load fee from ready mixed suppliers. So if
Speaker 3: you're buying, like if you do point eight of a
Speaker 3: cubic meter, there will be the point eight of a
Speaker 3: cubic meter of concrete plus a small load chart. I
Speaker 3: think at one point five meters you probably missed that,
Speaker 3: And if you did want to do it yourself, then
Speaker 3: I would actually go for builders mixed bags of cement
Speaker 3: and hire a mixer. Go down to higher Paul, grab
Speaker 3: yourself a mixer and do it that way. I've done
Speaker 3: that couple of times. In fact, my first ever job,
Speaker 3: my first day of my first job building for my
Speaker 3: first boss, was on a Saturday morning of a public holiday,
Speaker 3: and he wasn't aware that the ready mixed plant was
Speaker 3: going to close on a Saturday of a public holiday
Speaker 3: of long weekend, so he straight when he found out.
Speaker 3: On Friday, he rang ordered six cubic meters of builders
Speaker 3: mix BM twenty and thirty six bags of cement and
Speaker 3: got his ratley old concrete mixer out and when I
Speaker 3: arrived on Saturday morning, it was like, Hi, this is
Speaker 3: what we're doing today. So six cubic meters through a
Speaker 3: concrete mixer. I can tell you it takes a while.
Speaker 3: It is fifteen minutes after six. A very good morning,
Speaker 3: and welcome along to the show. Oh eight hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Other great
Speaker 3: text about Limb. Report's got a story about that in
Speaker 3: just a moment before we'll talk to Chad first. Good
Speaker 3: morning Chad, Yeah, morning, and to you, to you.
Speaker 5: Excellent mete Just you've probably had this one hundred times
Speaker 5: over your career, of a thousand times, boundary fences between
Speaker 5: between two sections. I just want to know if someone
Speaker 5: builds offence right and they don't get your permission, you know,
Speaker 5: because I think you've got to get well, there's got
Speaker 5: to be some comms between the two parties. I'm sure
Speaker 5: of it, whether it's written or verbal. Just what's the
Speaker 5: story like if we turn up to our place for
Speaker 5: there's a new fence for between the two properties. The
Speaker 5: old fence has been removed and a new meat defense
Speaker 5: has been put up for one point.
Speaker 3: Nine, which is hate some few because you don't have
Speaker 3: to do anything. Is it? Is it a halfway decent fence?
Speaker 6: Does it look Okay, it's just it's just not not
Speaker 6: what how we wanted it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, it's it's macrocarpa. And it's like and it
Speaker 5: starts drying out like they've already done another section around
Speaker 5: the back. When that timber starts drawing, obviously that the
Speaker 5: gap in the ends, you know, you can slide your
Speaker 5: slide your fingers.
Speaker 3: Through it, gotcha, yep.
Speaker 5: And then then we found out once they paid for
Speaker 5: their fence, we can't do anything with it, like we
Speaker 5: can't put a you know, like a decorative panel on
Speaker 5: it or or one of those pulled out clothes lines
Speaker 5: or anything because they paid for it.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. That's an interesting one. Okay.
Speaker 3: So yeah, late last year, after a little while of trying,
Speaker 3: I managed to get a lawyer on the program who's
Speaker 3: a property law expert in Johnson came and join us,
Speaker 3: which was awesome. He's going to come back because we
Speaker 3: had a lot more to talk about. So, and what
Speaker 3: we were specifically talking about is the Fencing Act. So
Speaker 3: Fencing Act is quite clear if you are going to
Speaker 3: seek a contribution from a neighbor. You can only get
Speaker 3: that if you inform the neighbor beforehand, so you have
Speaker 3: to send a letter, you have to quote the Fencing Act,
Speaker 3: you have to provide some estimates of the cost, and
Speaker 3: then from that you can request a contribution to half
Speaker 3: the value of a standard fence. Arguably using macrocarpa, which
Speaker 3: is probably cheaper than more expensive than good old highness radiator,
Speaker 3: will mean that they've spent more on the fence. So
Speaker 3: in terms of you know, if you get a knock
Speaker 3: on the door and the guy's there going, hey, look yo,
Speaker 3: us a couple of grand then you are quite within
Speaker 3: your right side would say to say, I'm sorry you
Speaker 3: didn't inform me. I'm not going to contribute. Then the
Speaker 3: other question is exactly where if they put the fence.
Speaker 3: So it's quite possible that what they've done is put
Speaker 3: it solely on their side of the boundary, in which
Speaker 3: case it very much is their property. I would say
Speaker 3: if they've split you know, how often if you know,
Speaker 3: we know that the boundary line is a dead straight
Speaker 3: or typically a dead straight line, and in some cases
Speaker 3: you buy agreement with the neighbor, you can share that
Speaker 3: and put half the post half the fence on each side.
Speaker 3: So you know, if that was the case and part
Speaker 3: of the fence was on your side, again, it would
Speaker 3: have been good if they had to talk to you
Speaker 3: about that. But I would say, then you do own
Speaker 3: that side of the fence. If, however, the fence is
Speaker 3: solely on their property, you're right. You fixing some trellis
Speaker 3: or a pop up washing line, you probably can't do
Speaker 3: that without the permission of the neighbor. And they may
Speaker 3: say no.
Speaker 5: But if it's if it's fifty fifty like on the boundary, yep,
Speaker 5: if they haven't done it on their boundary, on their
Speaker 5: side of the boundary, it's a fifty fifty split.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well then then it's on your property, right, it's yours.
Speaker 6: Story, yeah, Roger.
Speaker 5: So then you have that argument like, you know, shit,
Speaker 5: we don't actually like that fence. We would have preferred
Speaker 5: a fence.
Speaker 3: So, yes, that's right.
Speaker 5: In that regard, it just turns into a shootout and like, legally,
Speaker 5: can I make them remove that fence?
Speaker 6: Fet and your view again?
Speaker 3: And I you know, obviously if you wanted to go
Speaker 3: and confront them, you'd want to go and seek legal advice.
Speaker 3: But I would have thought that if they have gone
Speaker 3: ahead and built a fence and it is partly on
Speaker 3: your property, you could ask them to remove that part
Speaker 3: because you haven't given your consent to that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and I've seen plenty of situations where you know, neighbors,
Speaker 3: for whatever reason right have decided not to consult with
Speaker 3: the impacted party and have just gone ahead built a
Speaker 3: new fence and they've done it, you know, fifty millimeters
Speaker 3: one hundred milimeters inside the property. I saw a weird
Speaker 3: one little while ago where they'd built like a meter
Speaker 3: inside because there was a whole lot of trees they
Speaker 3: couldn't be bothered taking, and they've just accepted, I'll lose
Speaker 3: a bit of land and I'll just put my fence
Speaker 3: where I want it to be, right, so I think
Speaker 3: of it. But if it's clearly and if the boundaries
Speaker 3: are clearly defined, then if it's on your side, then
Speaker 3: basically you own that. But but you know, hopefully these
Speaker 3: sorts of things can be discussed and you come to
Speaker 3: a reasonable adult sort of decision or reconciliation around it.
Speaker 3: But I think we've all been around long enough to
Speaker 3: know that not everyone acts rationally in these situations and
Speaker 3: people fall out over the silliest of things. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for that.
Speaker 3: Enjoy, look after yourself, take care of Chad. See bye.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question,
Speaker 3: just before we go to our next caller, which is Paul,
Speaker 3: we've got some spare lines, so good time to call
Speaker 3: now eight hundred eighty ten eighty quick text that's come
Speaker 3: through A good morning peak. Do you always need to
Speaker 3: get a limb report when buying a house? What is
Speaker 3: actually in a limb report? So from Gordon Gordon, I
Speaker 3: would say that it would be the very least piece
Speaker 3: of due diligence that either you or your lawyer who's
Speaker 3: acting for the on the conveyancing side of things, would do.
Speaker 3: And so there's a limb is of land information memorandum.
Speaker 3: Typically it tells you a whole lot of things about
Speaker 3: the area on which you're buying. You know, are there
Speaker 3: particular natural hazards? Are you, for example, in a flood zone?
Speaker 3: What are the planning overlays? Are you in a heritage zone?
Speaker 3: Are you in a zone where development and planning restricts?
Speaker 3: The number of dwellings that could be put on the property.
Speaker 3: It might give you some indication as to where public
Speaker 3: services like storm water and waste water are. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's not difficult to do. I think it's
Speaker 3: absolutely worth getting a LIMB report. There is also a
Speaker 3: pym SO Property Information Report that might give you a
Speaker 3: bit more detail on a specific property. And if you're
Speaker 3: really really wanting to sort of dig into it, you
Speaker 3: can ring council and request the property file, which is
Speaker 3: everything that any correspondence, any documentation that council have on
Speaker 3: that particular property. And I think, again, given the investment
Speaker 3: that we're talking about, I think that's worth doing as well.
Speaker 3: The other thing. Can I quickly add that I have
Speaker 3: spent quite a bit of time this well, sometime this
Speaker 3: week and over the last year and more, quite a
Speaker 3: bit of time trying to sort out a building consent
Speaker 3: that didn't get CCC right. So a building consent was
Speaker 3: issued for a project for whatever reason, the previous owner
Speaker 3: of the property didn't close out that consent by having
Speaker 3: a final inspection and then applying forum being granted a
Speaker 3: code compliance certificate. It then got on sold to someone
Speaker 3: who I'm acting for, who discovered later on that this
Speaker 3: building hadn't been issued at CCC and wanted to get
Speaker 3: that tidied up. So you know, if that's on the limb,
Speaker 3: then that's a really good thing to know because having
Speaker 3: worked on it quite considerably for quite some time, it
Speaker 3: can be a lot of work to get that sorted out,
Speaker 3: and in some cases it's actually not possible to get
Speaker 3: sorted out. Council will not issue a CCC in some cases.
Speaker 3: Then you have to go through a process of a
Speaker 3: certificate of acceptance that is also a truckload of work
Speaker 3: in most cases. So yeah, if you're looking at a property,
Speaker 3: get the limb and if that then happens to also
Speaker 3: say hey, here's a building consent there was issued that
Speaker 3: required a CCC. So building permits back in the day
Speaker 3: pre nineteen ninety two thereabouts didn't require a CCC, but
Speaker 3: anything since then under the New Building Act does require
Speaker 3: a SECC to close out a building consent, you want
Speaker 3: one of those, I can assure you, having spent a
Speaker 3: lot of time and effort to try and sort that out,
Speaker 3: and that's a work in progress for me. So that's
Speaker 3: what occupies part of my day. It is six twenty
Speaker 3: five will take short breaking back with Paul if you'd
Speaker 3: like to join us. Love to hear from you. Oh,
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call you
Speaker 3: and new stalks, you'd be really good. Texts coming in
Speaker 3: about multi unit developments in H one and so on.
Speaker 3: We'll get into that in just a moment, but Paul,
Speaker 3: thank you for waiting in a very good morning to.
Speaker 7: You, and good morning to you too. Water hammer, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's lovely. I recently replaced a handbasin in our own
Speaker 7: suite and replace the two taps so they mix her yep.
Speaker 7: And now if you shut the cold water off too quickly,
Speaker 7: you get the knock in one of the pipes. Yes,
Speaker 7: I've been up in the roof and my wife's downstairs
Speaker 7: turning on and off taps all over the place. And
Speaker 7: the washing machine with the quick solin word valves does it.
Speaker 7: I tried an arrestor on the cold tap in the
Speaker 7: new handbasin.
Speaker 3: Right, what's the what does the arrestor do or what
Speaker 3: do you think it's going to do?
Speaker 7: Well that you put that on the back of the
Speaker 7: say cold water, then let until they hand based on
Speaker 7: the washing machine and it's like a shock absorber when
Speaker 7: you when you shut the cold off quickly or the
Speaker 7: washing machine, it absorbs the back pressure. Gotcha, and that
Speaker 7: hasn't worked. This might be a simple question, but is
Speaker 7: there a correct procedure to train the water out of
Speaker 7: all the pipes in your house? You're trying to eliminate
Speaker 7: air by turning the mains off, training the water from
Speaker 7: the highest tap in the house, Yes, which which is
Speaker 7: only the washing machine outlet because they're bar up on
Speaker 7: the wall, and I stick out to the lowest line,
Speaker 7: which is the garden hose. Then turn the round all
Speaker 7: the water out of the house, turn the mains back on,
Speaker 7: ran all the taps and you can hear the air
Speaker 7: spurting out of them. Yes, you know, for the life
Speaker 7: of me, I can't get rid of this water hammer.
Speaker 7: It's just a single knock. We neither the washing machine
Speaker 7: or that the mixer on the two handbasin get to
Speaker 7: shut off quickly.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So there might be two things happening. One
Speaker 3: is you've obviously gone through all of the sort of
Speaker 3: response to water hammer in terms of the amount of
Speaker 3: flow and so on. The other thing that can happen
Speaker 3: is that if you look at sort of modern practice.
Speaker 3: Let's say plumbers when they drill through my precious knogs
Speaker 3: and studs to put in their pipework. They will typically
Speaker 3: then once they've done all the pipe work and got
Speaker 3: everything sort doubt before the lining happens, go round with
Speaker 3: a corking gun and a bee and some silicon and
Speaker 3: seal around each of those penetrations, right, and that stops
Speaker 3: the actual physical pipe from moving and hitting the timber.
Speaker 3: Now that's a relative relatively new, probably in the last
Speaker 3: ten or fifteen years. But let's say, for example, you
Speaker 3: might have an old copper pipe that's running down the
Speaker 3: wall that probably won't have any ceilant around it. So
Speaker 3: copper pipes tended just to run straight through the knogs.
Speaker 3: They might in some cases I've seen they've got like
Speaker 3: a little copper clip that they'd fasten around them, but
Speaker 3: often cases not. So you've got maybe a twenty mili
Speaker 3: hole and a fifteen mil copper pipe. And if over
Speaker 3: time that's become a little bit loose, and as the pressure,
Speaker 3: regardless whether there's air in the line or not, comes
Speaker 3: on and off, it's enough just to move that pipe
Speaker 3: in the same way that you know yesterdayl's in the garden,
Speaker 3: rolled out the hose, turn the hose on. You can
Speaker 3: see the hose move right move.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if you can identify the exact location of where
Speaker 3: the knock is coming from, and if it's consistently in
Speaker 3: the same place, it might be an issue of the
Speaker 3: pipe knocking against the hole of the timber in the
Speaker 3: hole that it goes.
Speaker 7: Through itself located that it's in the back of the
Speaker 7: on suite, yeah, cabinet, and then.
Speaker 3: The realistically the only option is cutting out a bit
Speaker 3: of the plaster board, having a look and see if
Speaker 3: that's where it is, and then you know, using the
Speaker 3: appropriate ceilant to just effectively provide a shock absorber around it.
Speaker 7: Prapped and yep, the pipes up there in the ceiling.
Speaker 7: And it was a night there trying to find there's
Speaker 7: just so much criss cross of pipes.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what it is is often, you know,
Speaker 3: at the beginning of a house's life, all of the
Speaker 3: pipework might get laid out neatly with some order maine,
Speaker 3: I've got some feeds coming off and that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: and then things change and people cut into a pipe
Speaker 3: and run another line and that sort of thing, and
Speaker 3: that that can actually, you know, to the uninitiated, and
Speaker 3: I include myself and here, plumbers you know, have have
Speaker 3: a clear idea of what's going to work in terms
Speaker 3: of the most efficient way to distribute water throughout the house,
Speaker 3: and then later on other people interfere with that and
Speaker 3: that has untend into consequences as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah see, I don't think anyone's into feed up there,
Speaker 7: but yeah, with a lady piping, I think you might
Speaker 7: have had a couple of beers before him. Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: and my wife is going crazy turn that on, beer,
Speaker 7: turn that off, and.
Speaker 3: It's incredibly frustrating. The other option is to maybe put
Speaker 3: in a pressure reducing valve at the end of the
Speaker 3: water main coming into the house. That's almost got to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, good, So it's either air in there or
Speaker 7: it's because it only happened since I put this mixer
Speaker 7: in there. Right of course, it won't do it on
Speaker 7: any single taps because you're slowly turning them off.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just with a ceramic disk inside
Speaker 3: the mixer. It's on or it's off, and that happens
Speaker 3: quite quickly. Try try see if you can identify if
Speaker 3: it sounds like it's coming from a location in the wall,
Speaker 3: then maybe you just have to cut that open and
Speaker 3: seal around there and you might find it's the pipe knocking.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, good luck.
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, good luck is about as good as
Speaker 3: I can do today. All right, take care bother then
Speaker 3: you and New Storks b quick text that's come through.
Speaker 3: Pete has a comment that I read any comment from
Speaker 3: you from David and the quote the comment is multi
Speaker 3: unit residential still high, but that is Spec H one
Speaker 3: environmental development levies pushing cost up. There is still value
Speaker 3: to be found, but you need the right team cite
Speaker 3: and design. Too many consultants on exorbitant rates, trying to
Speaker 3: make design, two complex council planners on power trips asking
Speaker 3: for subjective RFI s. Yeah, probably wouldn't completely disagree with
Speaker 3: you on that. I think that. I mean, look, everybody
Speaker 3: deserves a living right without a doubt. But you know,
Speaker 3: in terms of developments, you know, there was an article
Speaker 3: I think probably last quarter of last year of a
Speaker 3: gentleman out in the way Tackles in Auckland who wanted
Speaker 3: to i think, add another unit to a section that
Speaker 3: he already owned, a property that he already owned, and
Speaker 3: One of the things he was expected to do was
Speaker 3: get an ecologist to come in and do a survey
Speaker 3: of the skink population and then to provide monitoring I
Speaker 3: think of said skinks, and also I think to provide
Speaker 3: I know, for another case, we're a developer was asked
Speaker 3: to provide a methodology of what to do when they
Speaker 3: encounter a skink in the event that, you know, they
Speaker 3: see one when the diggers working or something like that.
Speaker 3: I'm all for protecting the environment, I really really am,
Speaker 3: but I think there has been some large es with
Speaker 3: this sort of thing that should come to an end. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: I get it, h one, We've been through this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it may add cost, and if it does, I think
Speaker 3: that's a cost that we should bear. To be blunt
Speaker 3: and in some cases, the hysteria around you know, the
Speaker 3: quotes that were out there saying, oh, it's added fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars to the cost of a New Zealand house
Speaker 3: has been proven to be untrue in some cases. So
Speaker 3: Malcolm Fleming, who's the chief executive of New Zealand Certified Builders,
Speaker 3: he was a guest last year on the show when
Speaker 3: this discussion was taking place. They went out and they
Speaker 3: grabbed a fairly standard ninety square meter building and I
Speaker 3: think one hundred and forty square meter building. They did
Speaker 3: a quantity surveying of it, going okay, if we apply
Speaker 3: the new H one standards, but we don't use the
Speaker 3: schedule method. We do the calculation method, what's our additional cost?
Speaker 3: And one case they were saving money, in another case
Speaker 3: they were basically spending you know, might be two thousand
Speaker 3: dollars added to the cost of the building to comply
Speaker 3: with the H one. So I don't go round blaming
Speaker 3: H one. Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 3: the number to call and tippery good morning to you.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I'm just bringing up uh yeah. I had
Speaker 9: a bit of a party used today.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 9: I worked with the guys, got really drunk. He ended
Speaker 9: up hating his hit. Put it in the hole through
Speaker 9: the war because he'd been through the war I made.
Speaker 9: He was okay the next morning, but the war.
Speaker 3: Wasn't second based.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would beat it with just basic tools. The
Speaker 9: whole what I did was I got a piece of paper,
Speaker 9: the normal paper, apaper, yeah, newspaper I made. I squeared
Speaker 9: it off, Yeah, I taped it. Take that and then
Speaker 9: what happened was I would say lucky to have paint
Speaker 9: white paint and uh. But but what I did was
Speaker 9: I putsy decides. You know, I would say lucky to
Speaker 9: have putsy puts the sides of the tape and did
Speaker 9: I What I did was as the potsy dried, I
Speaker 9: set paper. It lived with the puddy with the wall,
Speaker 9: and did I win over with white paint? And look
Speaker 9: it was back to brand news, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Look, with the grocer respect, I suspect that
Speaker 3: any property management or anyone with some building knowledge will
Speaker 3: will see that repair from about a million miles away.
Speaker 3: And I respect what you're saying. I'm sure you think
Speaker 3: you work is great. Again, with the grocer respect, I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure that if I walked in, I would that
Speaker 3: would be the first thing that I would see. And
Speaker 3: it's not going to last long. And good luck getting
Speaker 3: that past the well. Hopefully you're the owner of the property.
Speaker 3: Only you've got to worry about the quality of the repair.
Speaker 3: Good luck. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 3: to call that you go. That'll to the greatest hits
Speaker 3: of DIY. It is coming up twenty minutes away from seven.
Speaker 3: We've got a spare line. Love to hear from you.
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 3: call helping.
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Speaker 3: Talks it B You and You Stalk Seid b quick
Speaker 3: text as well. Pete had a This is referring back
Speaker 3: to Paul's issue with water hammer. Hey, Pete had this
Speaker 3: problem on a two story house. Was a simple worn
Speaker 3: tap washer that was allowing air to be drawn back
Speaker 3: into the pipe on the second floor, creating the air ram.
Speaker 3: So it's if the problem what you're saying, I think
Speaker 3: is that if the problems downstairs, it might be an
Speaker 3: upstairs tap that is contributing to the issue. Someone else
Speaker 3: helpfully has suggested, we had that knocking in my father's house,
Speaker 3: turned the mains off, sorted it completely. Yes, very good,
Speaker 3: very droll A water hammer arresta as close as you
Speaker 3: can to the noise. I think that is what Paul
Speaker 3: has already done by adding one close to the tap
Speaker 3: that he's put in. Good morning, Can you build a
Speaker 3: shed that is both L one and L two? I'd
Speaker 3: like to build a three door American style barn with
Speaker 3: living quarters on the side. I'm not sure what the
Speaker 3: reference to L one, Ally one or ALLY two is.
Speaker 3: If you can see me a bit more information, Chris,
Speaker 3: that would be helpful. That's great. Tell him to change
Speaker 3: the mixer to a high quality unit that will always
Speaker 3: fix the water hammer. Maybe it is a high quality unit,
Speaker 3: Mariana Pete. Can a neighbor cover my toby, which he
Speaker 3: says is on his land? No, I wouldn't have thought
Speaker 3: so in a sent Well, see, the toby is actually
Speaker 3: owned by either the council or in Auckland's case, water Care,
Speaker 3: So no, I don't think that you can go ahead
Speaker 3: and cover that. And if it was on the land,
Speaker 3: it's still an asset that's not owned by the property owner.
Speaker 3: So if you've ever had a leak, for example, if
Speaker 3: it's on your side of the toby, it's your responsibility.
Speaker 3: If it's on at the toby or on the pipe
Speaker 3: that comes in from the mains to the toby, we're
Speaker 3: talking about the water meter right out on the roadway,
Speaker 3: then that becomes the issue for the council basically to
Speaker 3: deal with. And someone thinks that I'm on the right
Speaker 3: track with the skinks. Can I please be absolutely clear
Speaker 3: about this. I am all for environmental protection right if
Speaker 3: there are threatened species, if there is a particular sensitivity
Speaker 3: around an area, then I think we need to do
Speaker 3: everything we can to protect that. I just get the
Speaker 3: feeling that that has extended a little bit beyond what
Speaker 3: is reasonable. Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty the
Speaker 3: number to call ray good morning to you.
Speaker 11: Good morning a awesome show. Think of it regarding building
Speaker 11: consent outstanding, So I'll go to the end of it.
Speaker 11: This could be quite useful for listeners. I've just finished
Speaker 11: a small planes process at the local court. We went
Speaker 11: to sell our property building consent with outstanding. Won't go
Speaker 11: to the detail, but our lawyer didn't pick it up.
Speaker 8: The agents that were selling properly picked it up.
Speaker 11: Had to spend a lot of money on getting that
Speaker 11: building consent. Like you say, it takes a lot of step.
Speaker 11: It was tens of thousands of dollars. Won't go into
Speaker 11: the nitty gritty of it, but the file was good
Speaker 11: enough to show that the people previously to us had
Speaker 11: corresponds with council. Council said, hey, building consent has not
Speaker 11: been completed. They did go a little ways to getting
Speaker 11: that building conceived, that fleasy, but they hadn't completed it,
Speaker 11: got letters on file showing they've been contacted, they didn't
Speaker 11: doing about it, and I won and I was warded
Speaker 11: basically the cost of the work I had to do
Speaker 11: to get it up to standard. And it was a
Speaker 11: let prospective building consent and got tens of thousands of
Speaker 11: dollars out of.
Speaker 3: It, which is fascinating, but that's not I just want
Speaker 3: to be really clear on this. The fact that you
Speaker 3: were able to sue someone effectively for damages and is
Speaker 3: that it was a mistake on the part of in
Speaker 3: this case, your lawyer at the conveyancing that they didn't
Speaker 3: pick it up and it's fair and reasonable to expect
Speaker 3: that they would have found what's quite straightforward information, right.
Speaker 3: And so this discussion starts with should I get a
Speaker 3: LIMB report. I was reading through a LIMB report a
Speaker 3: little while ago, and typically it gives you a bit
Speaker 3: of a property information and then it goes building consents. Right,
Speaker 3: we'll talk about building permits if it's got one from
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty six for an outhouse or nineteen thirty six
Speaker 3: for a you know, an addition to a property whatever,
Speaker 3: or a garage that was built in the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3: All of those sorts of things will have a building
Speaker 3: permit and then it will say no CCC and then
Speaker 3: it says in the notes not required because it's before
Speaker 3: such and such a time. Once we moved to building consents,
Speaker 3: then building consents required. The final part of building consent
Speaker 3: is to get a CCC code compliance certificate. So I
Speaker 3: think your claim wouldn't have been against counsel or against
Speaker 3: the previous only was your claim against your lawyer for
Speaker 3: not packing that up.
Speaker 11: No, and there was no way to get that against lawyer.
Speaker 11: So basically under your Salem purchase agreement, as a vendor warranty,
Speaker 11: this is the great part, right, and that inside there
Speaker 11: that talk about the the owner warrants that they have
Speaker 11: no outstanding building events. And that's where we got it.
Speaker 11: So it was a breach of contract on the sale
Speaker 11: features agreement. Gotcha, And it's really really interesting, it's worth honestly, we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, Ray, that would that would only apply if
Speaker 3: the question was asked and the nature of the contract
Speaker 3: includes that clause in it, because yeah, okay.
Speaker 11: It is a really very important thing. If that is
Speaker 11: crossed out at any stage during a purchase agreement, then
Speaker 11: that purchaser needs to be very weird. There's something potentially
Speaker 11: dodgy and behind it. So it wasn't crossed out right people,
Speaker 11: I couldn't remember. We're talking ten to twenty years go.
Speaker 11: But because of the pay Council head on five, very
Speaker 11: clear they they basically breached the contract under that vendor warranty.
Speaker 3: I've got one more question for your Ray. Can you
Speaker 3: just hold on? We'll get a break out of the
Speaker 3: way and a come back. It's a very important question
Speaker 3: back in a moment.
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Speaker 3: It'd be we've got Ray back with us and Ray.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask, in terms of this particular
Speaker 3: sale and purchase, was this completed let's say in the
Speaker 3: last four to five years? Yeah, okay, roughly how long ago?
Speaker 3: Because the landscape is changing, and you know, if you
Speaker 3: haven't been involved in the sale and purchase for a while,
Speaker 3: you'll possibly think that it's like it always was, but
Speaker 3: it's changed quite a lot, and it's it's changed quite
Speaker 3: a lot, I think in the last few years. And
Speaker 3: I think that's where this has allowed you some redress. Right,
Speaker 3: So if a vendor states that there's nothing outstanding with
Speaker 3: the property and all the rest of it, and in
Speaker 3: this case it sounds like they might have said that
Speaker 3: because they just weren't fully aware, but it's then in
Speaker 3: the contract. You're right, you've got redressed through the contract
Speaker 3: to go, well, you should have known this or you
Speaker 3: did know and you decided not to tell us, and
Speaker 3: therefore the cost is yours. Good on you.
Speaker 11: Yeah one. And what had happened is that with a
Speaker 11: garage we had to do a reclaid. There was moisture
Speaker 11: and that pound. It's all started with council. We've got
Speaker 11: a new purchaser, got a report, a builder's report that's
Speaker 11: down moisture. Council came in and then we've kind of process.
Speaker 11: So it was a reclad on a garage that was
Speaker 11: ends of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3: Would have been yeah, you.
Speaker 8: Know it was wrong. Wasn't one first the above ground.
Speaker 11: So I just want to encourage people that if they
Speaker 11: do come across and at end, Hey, look the lawyer
Speaker 11: and we're happy with them that now they give us
Speaker 11: some advice and I did all the process, I would
Speaker 11: suggest that m no, I won't want.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I get why you might be cautious as well. Hey,
Speaker 3: thank you very very much for calling and thanks for
Speaker 3: sticking around. I think that's that's really really good information,
Speaker 3: and that is yeah, I might you've got a couple
Speaker 3: of real estate agents who could speak to us quite
Speaker 3: well and quite independently. You've given me an idea for
Speaker 3: the show. For a couple of weeks time, we'll will
Speaker 3: seek to get someone on and just go through this
Speaker 3: with people because I think, yeah, there's there's a lot
Speaker 3: in what you're saying. I really appreciate it, right, thank.
Speaker 11: You, that's okay. I just want to say one last thing.
Speaker 11: The lawyers basically said that that wasn't in this skyde
Speaker 11: and that was that, So do you.
Speaker 3: Go right, Sorry, it wasn't in there this.
Speaker 4: Character seed right.
Speaker 2: Or not?
Speaker 11: That wasn't part of their scope.
Speaker 4: That was there.
Speaker 11: They're out and proces.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting too. I really appreciate it, Ray, and
Speaker 3: I'm pleased to hear you've got a successful result, Well done, awesome,
Speaker 3: take care, thank you. We're coming up to new Sport
Speaker 3: and weather top of the hour at seven o'clock remember
Speaker 3: at seven twenty. In fact, we haven't it any texts
Speaker 3: yet if you've got any specific painting questions, and lots
Speaker 3: of us are doing painting now that the weather is
Speaker 3: settled and it's this beautiful long day, so text me
Speaker 3: through your painting questions.
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Speaker 3: you right through till nine o'clock this morning. We are
Speaker 3: going to have some painting questions with painting session at
Speaker 3: around seven twenty five this morning, so Bryce, our painting
Speaker 3: expert from Razine, will be available to do answer any
Speaker 3: text questions that come through, and a couple of already
Speaker 3: come through, which is awesome. If you've got a question,
Speaker 3: feel free to text it through. Otherwise we're talking all
Speaker 3: things building construction and it's kind of you know, home
Speaker 3: ownership and legislation and regulations and that sort of thing
Speaker 3: as well, right through at about eight thirty this morning.
Speaker 3: Then we're into the garden with a klin past who's
Speaker 3: on the road. In fact, I think he's in Punakaiki
Speaker 3: at the moment, but we've tracked him down and he
Speaker 3: will be available to answer all of your gardening and
Speaker 3: bug related or entomological questions at around eight thirty this morning,
Speaker 3: and then we're done for another day here at News
Speaker 3: TALKSB So jump in if you've got a question of
Speaker 3: building nature with it's water hammer or it's fencing, or
Speaker 3: our conversation with Ray just prior to the news there
Speaker 3: around I mentioned the fact that one of the things
Speaker 3: that's sort of on my desk at the moment is
Speaker 3: helping a client I guess, to resolve an issue where
Speaker 3: a building consent was issued, work was undertaken, either a
Speaker 3: final inspection wasn't done, or if it was done, the
Speaker 3: then owner didn't go through and wrap up all the
Speaker 3: paperwork by getting the CCC Code compliance certificate sorted out
Speaker 3: at the end of it, which then some years later
Speaker 3: and we're talking about a considerable number of years it
Speaker 3: sits on the council file as a building consent that
Speaker 3: doesn't have a CCC, getting one or getting that closed
Speaker 3: off is typically not a straightforward process, and that's what
Speaker 3: Ray was talking about. But he had managed to get
Speaker 3: redress because of the nature of the sale and purchase agreement,
Speaker 3: and that's all around a duty to declare. I think
Speaker 3: we might reach out to actually a previous contributor to
Speaker 3: the show who is a real estate agent who knows
Speaker 3: a lot about the legal side of a sale and
Speaker 3: purchase and get him on the show. So I'll give
Speaker 3: him a call during the week and we'll talk about
Speaker 3: that sometime in the next couple of weeks. In the
Speaker 3: same way that I mentioned, We've got a property expert,
Speaker 3: property law expert who joined us for the first time
Speaker 3: last year, looking forward to having him back on the show.
Speaker 3: To be fair, if there is a particular expert area
Speaker 3: that you would like me to sort of investigate or
Speaker 3: get someone in to speak to, feel free to either
Speaker 3: text or email and I'll add that to the list.
Speaker 3: We'll get Hamish back. Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Group,
Speaker 3: he's a town planner. We'll get him back on the
Speaker 3: show without a doubt. We'll get Storm who's our ventilation expert.
Speaker 3: This is a whole new field for me. Storm will
Speaker 3: be back on the show this year, and undoubtedly we'll
Speaker 3: probably get Mike Thornton, lawyer around construction issues, we'll get
Speaker 3: him back on the show, so it'll it'll build up,
Speaker 3: it'll be great. Also, possibly one of the team from
Speaker 3: Brands is going to join us on the show this year.
Speaker 3: I'm due for a visit down to Wellington to go
Speaker 3: through the research laboratory at Brands, so I couldn't quite
Speaker 3: make it at the end of last year. It's on
Speaker 3: my list of things to do at the beginning of
Speaker 3: this year. So I'll let you know how I get
Speaker 3: on once we get down there. So plenty on Oh
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
Speaker 3: and Ellen a very good morning to you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning, great, yeah.
Speaker 3: Good, very well in yourself.
Speaker 6: Yeah good good.
Speaker 3: What's up.
Speaker 10: I've been occupied scrape my house down and painting it.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 10: And the procedure a window is wind the show is yes,
Speaker 10: just a little bit underneath the window window itself.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 10: It's gone right through in a couple of places. Yeah,
Speaker 10: step three inches thick, yes, and yeah it's sister sap
Speaker 10: and take rotted off. What is involved in getting that
Speaker 10: window show out? Do I have to get the window out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean you can sort of do it in situe,
Speaker 3: But typically the window does it have any fixed panes,
Speaker 3: fixed sashes attached to them?
Speaker 9: All?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 3: Like the glass above the sill, is that an opening sashes?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 7: It is?
Speaker 3: Okay, all of it Okay, yep.
Speaker 10: There's one big run in the middle and two on
Speaker 10: the sides and two lead lights up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, Typically with these sorts of things,
Speaker 3: Typically with these sorts of things, Ellen, you know, there's
Speaker 3: a little bit of good timber left, even if there's
Speaker 3: some decay in it. So from front to back, from
Speaker 3: inside to outside, are you saying that the rot has
Speaker 3: gone all the way through there's no good timber left.
Speaker 10: There's quite a lot of good timber, yep. But there's
Speaker 10: a little bit at the back right in underneath the window.
Speaker 10: Some of it doesn't go all the way through, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The reason I ask is that when I've done those
Speaker 3: sorts of repairs, I like, taking the sill out is
Speaker 3: quite a lot of work. Then you have to get
Speaker 3: a new sill made. That's exactly the same profile, and
Speaker 3: that can be quite tricky, and then you have to
Speaker 3: get it in and then you have to attach it.
Speaker 3: And often the way in which they're attached is in
Speaker 3: areas that are inaccessible. So most of the time, for
Speaker 3: an older window like that, the frame on the side
Speaker 3: extends down past the sill and is nailed through the side. Well,
Speaker 3: you can't get into that space again without taking the
Speaker 3: entire window out and working on it. So the typical
Speaker 3: approach is to go, I'm going to take out any
Speaker 3: rotten pieces of timber until I go back to something
Speaker 3: that's reasonably sound. Then I can shape up a couple
Speaker 3: of replacement pieces out of tantalized timber, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to glue and screw those in, and then I can
Speaker 3: dress that off, you know, feather it off like with
Speaker 3: repair care or something like that, and then paint over
Speaker 3: the whole thing rather than try and take the entire
Speaker 3: sill out.
Speaker 10: That's exactly what I've done. Oh, I got another bit
Speaker 10: of timber and put it in, angered it in underneath there,
Speaker 10: and I put it in and two pieces.
Speaker 3: Actually, that's okay, that's what it takes.
Speaker 10: The pizzas went right through. I put that piece piece
Speaker 10: of treated pine in there, and I said it all right,
Speaker 10: and I shoved the other piece in underneath, and I
Speaker 10: pulled it out again and glued it out. Uh, it's
Speaker 10: a little bit down, a little bit so you can't
Speaker 10: actually see the timber.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 10: So I filled the rest over with a bit of filler.
Speaker 3: Again, you've got to make sure that you're using the
Speaker 3: right type of filler, Like some of them don't bond
Speaker 3: particularly well and they tend to, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: peel out, Whereas you can now get fillers that are
Speaker 3: a combination of an adhesive and a filler. And again
Speaker 3: that's that's repair Care, which is a two part product
Speaker 3: that you can you can use to bond in there,
Speaker 3: and you can shape it as it's drying, and then
Speaker 3: once it is thoroughly dry, you can send it and
Speaker 3: then it takes paint quite well as also. But look,
Speaker 3: I think in general it sounds like you're reasonably on
Speaker 3: on the right track.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's that's that's good for them pulling your way
Speaker 10: out and replacing the window.
Speaker 3: And Yeah, the other the other thing i'd add, Ellen
Speaker 3: is if in these situations where you're treating you know,
Speaker 3: areas with rot and you're fetching out the old rot
Speaker 3: and then putting a new piece in. Ideally, treat the
Speaker 3: exposed areas of the existing timber with a preservative, a
Speaker 3: timber preservative. So there's a couple of products out there, protein, frame,
Speaker 3: savor and a few others, and and that will just
Speaker 3: low down or potentially stop that rot that might be
Speaker 3: in the timber already from continuing to grow and develop
Speaker 3: through the timber. So you know, do the exposed areas
Speaker 3: as well as use the right type of timber. I
Speaker 3: treated timber for the repairs. But it sounds like you've
Speaker 3: you've got it under control. I mean, it's it's one
Speaker 3: of those jobs, you know, if you're contracting someone to
Speaker 3: do it, and you know, I've done so many, like
Speaker 3: double hung sash windows for example, where it's time consuming. Right,
Speaker 3: it's fiddley work. You disassemble the window, you pull out
Speaker 3: the sashes, you take out the dividing bed. You might
Speaker 3: have to do a few little repairs. You could spend
Speaker 3: a day two days working on a window, put it
Speaker 3: back together again. And look, when I'm doing it on
Speaker 3: my place or one of my own projects, then that's
Speaker 3: my time and that's fine when I'm doing it for
Speaker 3: a client, and then you know at the invoice at
Speaker 3: the end of the week you've got I spent a
Speaker 3: day and a half working on a window and at
Speaker 3: the end just looks like a window.
Speaker 4: Yikes.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 3: if you've got a painting question. We might have a
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Speaker 3: painting expert Bryce McDermott, who will be along shortly thereafter
Speaker 3: we're back into building. So eight hundred eighty ten eighty
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Speaker 3: zeb righty, oh, let's get amongst it. And here I
Speaker 3: was thinking people were being a little bit shy with
Speaker 3: their painting questions today. But I know, obviously there's quite
Speaker 3: a lot of painting going on, and to be fair,
Speaker 3: it feels like a summer holiday bryce is not complete
Speaker 3: unless we do some painting.
Speaker 4: Yes, with the radio screaming in the background.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it was certainly part of my childhood
Speaker 3: growing up, and I kind of get that sense of
Speaker 3: looking around the house, looking at the little jobs that
Speaker 3: need doing going. I kind of understand now why Dad
Speaker 3: every summer holidays he was out there doing painting constantly.
Speaker 4: Yes, goodness, the timber plank between two sawhorses.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not even go there. Yeah, some things thankfully
Speaker 3: have improved. Hey, well, great to have you back on
Speaker 3: the show for twenty twenty five. Really appreciate it. And
Speaker 3: and you're you know, this is the time, I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, I was working, to be fair, I was
Speaker 3: working in the garden yesterday. I wasn't doing any painting yesterday,
Speaker 3: but I was very aware that working in direct sunlight.
Speaker 3: You know, that's hard on the back of your knees,
Speaker 3: as I've discovered this morning. But it's if you're trying
Speaker 3: to paint in direct sunlight, that's a pretty much a
Speaker 3: no no, isn't it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just it artificially sort of speeds up the drying
Speaker 4: or the curing of the pain basically, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's meant to sort of take its time. And you know,
Speaker 4: even though it feels dry on the surface, so you know,
Speaker 4: it's still not properly cue it underneath.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. Hey, well, look
Speaker 3: the text are coming thick and fast, so let's rip
Speaker 3: into it now, quick dry undercoat, razine, quick dry undercoat
Speaker 3: on a nineteen eight bungalow exterior. I wonder whether people
Speaker 3: are asking about certain types of native timber that don't
Speaker 3: really like oil based or water solvent born primers. Is yeah,
Speaker 3: what's the general.
Speaker 4: Let Totra and Natti right have something in it that
Speaker 4: that oil based primers do not like it, just to fix,
Speaker 4: fix the cross linking of it and the drying of
Speaker 4: it and stuff like that, whereas good old quick dry
Speaker 4: and they'll just fly over it and you can put
Speaker 4: anything you like over the top of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect, all right. I knew it was the case.
Speaker 3: So if now nineteen oh eight, chances are it's culdry
Speaker 3: for example, on the exterior, or if it's a slightly
Speaker 3: old one, it might even be some early cedar. For those,
Speaker 3: you can use a solvent born or an oil based
Speaker 3: with the.
Speaker 4: Hard native timbers, I'd probably just go quick drive right
Speaker 4: the cedar. The cedar. You know, that's if it's really
Speaker 4: super old, which probably is, you know, you'd be you'd
Speaker 4: be stripping that right back because cedar is quite a
Speaker 4: soft timber, and you know stuff can peel away from
Speaker 4: it quite easily. Yep, I can, So you'd be using
Speaker 4: if you're going back to be a timber, I would
Speaker 4: use on cedar timber lock, which is like a timber
Speaker 4: preservative and binder, and then you can put your oil
Speaker 4: based primer over the top of that and you've got
Speaker 4: a good solid base for coats over the top.
Speaker 3: Bant brilliant question for Bryce. I want to restain a deck,
Speaker 3: but it's got a couple of paint marks on it.
Speaker 3: How do I prep these spots and areas? So beer
Speaker 3: timber try you.
Speaker 4: Have to try and scrape it off, and I would
Speaker 4: instead of just spot sanding, you might have to sand
Speaker 4: the entire length of the offending board. Otherwise you'll end
Speaker 4: up with light patches where you're going to do you staining. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know, if you sand an entire length of the board,
Speaker 4: or at least to a joint on the timber, you
Speaker 4: know at least you'll have something that's you know, reasonably
Speaker 4: what's the word I'm looking for, Well, it's not patchy anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because if you've got a bit of let's say
Speaker 3: it's a bit of pine decking, and you've spilt a
Speaker 3: bit of paint on one area and you vigorously sand
Speaker 3: that out and you get rid of it. But suddenly
Speaker 3: you've made that timber look completely different to the rest
Speaker 3: of it. And when you stain it, that's just going
Speaker 3: to highlight that, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've gone back to nose clean timber.
Speaker 3: All right, So try and even that sanding out and
Speaker 3: then it will appear or be less obvious. Right, A
Speaker 3: low brick fence that has white paint along the top
Speaker 3: and on the post that's all chipped and needs painting.
Speaker 3: Best way of repainting.
Speaker 4: Well, you could there's there's two ways you could do it.
Speaker 4: Any beer brick obviously wouldn't have to have pigmented teela
Speaker 4: or a sure.
Speaker 9: Seem applied to it.
Speaker 4: But then you know, you could use a big sick
Speaker 4: lambs we'll roller, right, you know, which would you know?
Speaker 4: Which is something like well somewhere between sixteen and maybe
Speaker 4: twenty mili worth of fibers on the roller sleeve, which
Speaker 4: does get into the pointing and stuff like that carries
Speaker 4: a very large amount of paint at the same time.
Speaker 4: Or you could spray.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and in terms of going over let's say
Speaker 3: those exposed areas of whether masonry is exposed as opposed
Speaker 3: to repainting over existing paint. Would you spot prime?
Speaker 4: Yes, spot prime on the beer areas?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Cool.
Speaker 3: Now they also go to say in this text, also,
Speaker 3: my home's on a busy bend in terms of the road,
Speaker 3: and I was wondering if there's a paint that shows
Speaker 3: up in the dark for safety, like the white lines
Speaker 3: on a road. Is there aluminiscent, loom lumscent painted.
Speaker 10: That reflects Not?
Speaker 4: Really. We do have small pots of fluorescent paint that
Speaker 4: we use for craft purposes. You know, they're become in
Speaker 4: a two fifty milli pot, so you'd be you know,
Speaker 4: you'd be buying quite a few if you wanted it.
Speaker 3: I don't know that they necessarily want to paint the
Speaker 3: whole thing, but maybe just a couple of strips on
Speaker 3: it that sort of would highlight the fact that, hey,
Speaker 3: there's a bend in the road.
Speaker 4: But I know what the roadmaking guys do. They have
Speaker 4: glass beads, very very fine glass beats. It feels like sand.
Speaker 4: And when as they're putting the roadmaking paint down, if
Speaker 4: they want the lights to shine through it. They actually
Speaker 4: immediately throw these glass beads on top of the wet
Speaker 4: road marking paint that they're doing and when the car
Speaker 4: lights shine through it and actually looming a right, whether
Speaker 4: or not it's still the practice, I couldn't tell you,
Speaker 4: but you know, you know I've had occasion to sort
Speaker 4: of see that in action in the past. So yeah,
Speaker 4: you'd have to go to a road marking supplies maybe
Speaker 4: and see if you can get some of those little
Speaker 4: glass beads just throw it.
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, I'm with you, Or just buy some reflectors
Speaker 3: and screw them on might be easier as well. Right morning,
Speaker 3: Pat question for your razine man, that's to you Bryce.
Speaker 3: Painting over wallpaper that has previously been painted some edges
Speaker 3: have lifted. What's the best glue to use and what
Speaker 3: to do whether the paint looks like it's repelling away
Speaker 3: from a waxy or oily substance underneath. It's been cleaned
Speaker 3: down with sugar soaked and I'm painting to top coat,
Speaker 3: so there's a lot in there. So prepping. If you're
Speaker 3: going to paint over wallpaper, what's the prep.
Speaker 4: Well, if it's been painted already, yep, you just need.
Speaker 4: You need to wash it down, you know, just get
Speaker 4: rid of dirt, dust and various bits of grim and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. If it's a vinyl wallpaper and it
Speaker 4: hasn't been painted, then you're going to need a vinyl
Speaker 4: wallpaper sealer before you put water based paints over the
Speaker 4: top of it. The plasticizers and the vinyl do not
Speaker 4: allow acrylics to drive prop me and once you've put
Speaker 4: your paint up, you can eventually peel it off and
Speaker 4: rubbery type strips. So if it's bere vinyl paper, paper
Speaker 4: sealer and then two coats of acrylic, yes, if the
Speaker 4: edges are peeling away and it's a painted surface, then
Speaker 4: you might have to use something like a bit of
Speaker 4: PVA just to just wish it back down again. Then
Speaker 4: white exs PVA off and carry on as per before.
Speaker 4: What was the third thing?
Speaker 3: What they're saying is that the paint and looks it's repelling. Well,
Speaker 3: that's that whole issue of vinyl, isn't it. So if
Speaker 3: you've got a vinyl paper, it won't accept paint, so
Speaker 3: you need to use the right celer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it won't it won't sort of separate virtually
Speaker 4: straight away, right it'll go over the top of it,
Speaker 4: but you'll be able to pick at it with your
Speaker 4: fingers and just feel it off. Okay, there might be
Speaker 4: some form of contamination, like if it's a kitchen area,
Speaker 4: for instance, it might be a bit of cooking fat
Speaker 4: or a bit of grease or something like that that's
Speaker 4: caused it to do that.
Speaker 3: Now, I think as a general thing, we tend to
Speaker 3: underestimate just how grimy surfaces can be over time, and that,
Speaker 3: you know, washing down surfaces prior to painting is actually
Speaker 3: really really important.
Speaker 4: A lot of people revert to sugar soap, which, you know,
Speaker 4: while it will do the job, it's very very powerful
Speaker 4: cleaner and a grease remover, but if you do use it,
Speaker 4: you've got to make sure that you you rinse and
Speaker 4: get rid of all the sugar right grease residue off
Speaker 4: the area.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's if.
Speaker 4: You leave any sort of residual or soap containing grease
Speaker 4: residual or whatever you'd like to call it, If you
Speaker 4: leave that on the surface, that's another issue.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, yep, or someone's asking about coating over
Speaker 3: a rubber membrane, but I think that that's best left.
Speaker 3: You know, there are proprietary products for that a you.
Speaker 4: Know there there is We've got a product that will
Speaker 4: stick to beautinol okay, but there is there are other
Speaker 4: membranes out there, like I don't know whether you've had
Speaker 4: a t P A yep, danger danger, Do not paint it.
Speaker 4: Nothing will stick to it, Nothing will stick to it.
Speaker 3: T PO yeah, TP yeah. Now this is a classic
Speaker 3: and I noticed that this is starting to happen to
Speaker 3: be fair at my place as well. How do you
Speaker 3: paint over where a nail has started to rust and
Speaker 3: it's it's bleach eating out. You can see the rust
Speaker 3: e merging through a painted surface. So let's say you
Speaker 3: painted the house, you know five years ago, ten years ago,
Speaker 3: you had a couple of rusty nails and they're starting
Speaker 3: to bleed out. What's what's the treatment there?
Speaker 4: Generally, if the best way is to punch the nail
Speaker 4: through and replace it with a galvanized point, right, you'll
Speaker 4: still have basically rustaining. So you need to neutralize the
Speaker 4: rustaining with a bit of oxeller cacid.
Speaker 8: I believe you.
Speaker 4: Can buy it and at the hardware store. It's a
Speaker 4: CLR stuff that they are on television that will neutralize
Speaker 4: rust spots. And then yet once you've done that, you know,
Speaker 4: punched the nail through prime, refill prime again, and then
Speaker 4: you know proceed was you know, the acrylic top cut
Speaker 4: over the top. If it's a good condition, you may
Speaker 4: be able to get away with just spot priming the areas.
Speaker 4: But you might have to paint me an entire board,
Speaker 4: for instance, just to make it even.
Speaker 3: Right to let it blend in. Here is a really
Speaker 3: good practical question, Please ask Bryce. What's the best way
Speaker 3: to keep the top of a paint ten locking ring
Speaker 3: clean when you're painting.
Speaker 4: Some guys will actually get a nail and punch little
Speaker 4: holes around that ring with the lidsits and really that way,
Speaker 4: and when you know, when they go, you know, when
Speaker 4: you rub, you you know, take excess paint off to
Speaker 4: to up your brush on that ring, it sort of
Speaker 4: just fills it up. But if you guys will punch
Speaker 4: nail holes in it and it allows you know, wet
Speaker 4: paint to actually dribble back into the can.
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a tip. Though. I've started to
Speaker 3: get into the habit of let's say I've got my
Speaker 3: you know, four liter ten right, so middle ten, and
Speaker 3: I decant from there into a smaller ten that I
Speaker 3: use for, you know, to put my brush in and
Speaker 3: do my painting rather than painting from the tin that
Speaker 3: I'm storing my paint in.
Speaker 4: Yes, because it can you can get skin swarming on
Speaker 4: the top of any length of time. So yes, that
Speaker 4: I should have thought of that one before. But I
Speaker 4: know that people do punched little nail holes into the
Speaker 4: ring around the tin.
Speaker 3: Right, that's snifty, and I must have in my workshop
Speaker 3: the other day that was being used by someone else
Speaker 3: whose name will go and unmentioned, who then was using
Speaker 3: the old raisine quick dry to do a little project.
Speaker 3: And I went back in. They'd done a quite good
Speaker 3: job of tidying up, but they hadn't nailed the lid
Speaker 3: or banged the lid down quite tight enough on the top.
Speaker 3: And I came in, I noticed that the room was
Speaker 3: sticking up a couple of mill and I thought, ah, rats,
Speaker 3: So yeah, you've got to clean out that that line.
Speaker 3: I mean typically I try and do it with the
Speaker 3: brushes i'm working away, but then making sure that you
Speaker 3: seal your tins properly before. If you're going to store paint,
Speaker 3: let's say, over the winter, you want to make sure
Speaker 3: that that lip is clean and that you keep that
Speaker 3: clean and seal them correctly before putting them away.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, and you know the same words with the ten
Speaker 4: le to pale as well. I mean, you know you
Speaker 4: get you can get paint built up on the rim
Speaker 4: of the ten letter pail. So as long as you
Speaker 4: keep that clean, and if you're going to store it,
Speaker 4: you know, you put the lid on and then press
Speaker 4: down in the center of the lid and open it
Speaker 4: up a bit. Then just force the excess here out
Speaker 4: of the ten le to pail. Yes, if you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. You put the lid down, then push
Speaker 4: the center of the lid and lift a corner up
Speaker 4: and you're here of the year. Just tiss out as
Speaker 4: you're pushing it down.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, last one for you this morning, Bryce. Can
Speaker 3: you paint over malamine kitchen units or kitchen cabinets, Yeah
Speaker 3: you can.
Speaker 4: You can. We have a primer called Malamine and laminate primer. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's it's a water born sealers that you can apply
Speaker 4: to the cabinet. You've got to let it drive properly.
Speaker 4: It really takes quite a while to actually gain its adhesion,
Speaker 4: and very very cold temperature it will stick to it
Speaker 4: quite happily, but it's got to be kicked. You know,
Speaker 4: it's got to be clean before you attempt that. And
Speaker 4: then I would you know, depending on the type of
Speaker 4: paint you wanted to put over the top, you will
Speaker 4: need to undicate it as well, just to provide a
Speaker 4: bit of a cushion between the adhesion primer and the
Speaker 4: top coats. Right, But it will knock, you know, if
Speaker 4: it gets nice and stuff like that, it will chip
Speaker 4: and it will get damaged. So, I mean, while you know,
Speaker 4: it'll do the job, but you know, there are certain
Speaker 4: things that you have to expect.
Speaker 3: Actually, given that we've talked about painting over things that
Speaker 3: really aren't desired, I've got one further question, which is
Speaker 3: around let me see where I can find it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some glazed tiles underneath a fire from the nineteen seventies
Speaker 3: that they just want to change the color of. Can
Speaker 3: I paint it? If so? Would the paint be hard
Speaker 3: enough to withstand a bit of occasional ash that might
Speaker 3: come out of the fireplace. That's from Matt, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean you could use I know that our new
Speaker 4: waterborne sure seal will stick to glaze tiles. It'll stick
Speaker 4: to glass, so you can use that. But again you've
Speaker 4: got to keep it clean. You've got to get all
Speaker 4: the dust and grome out of the areas of where
Speaker 4: they've put the grouse and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 4: as there is such a thing, or if they could
Speaker 4: be just joined very closely together like one, but it's
Speaker 4: got to be clean waterborne shore seal. And then you
Speaker 4: might want to look at something like an enamel maybe
Speaker 4: just to stand up, say to a bit of heat. Yes,
Speaker 4: and you know, if anything ash drops on it, it
Speaker 4: will if you drop a red hot ember on it,
Speaker 4: for instance, nothing will stand up to that. It'll be sure, sure,
Speaker 4: you know, and you will get some some staining from
Speaker 4: you know, from the just the general stuff that happens
Speaker 4: to release a smoke and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: So you've got to expect it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess there's sort of a general caution
Speaker 3: with these sorts of things.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like saying, oh, look, I've got a really ugly
Speaker 3: tiled splash back in the kitchen. I want to paint it,
Speaker 3: or melimine doors or tiles around the fireplace. You know,
Speaker 3: do it, but have a reasonable expectation that you may
Speaker 3: have to do it again, and it's not going to
Speaker 3: be as durable as if you'd use the product that
Speaker 3: was designed.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean in the end, we're painting something that's ideally
Speaker 3: not designed to be painted. But you can do it.
Speaker 3: You just have to be reasonable about the outcome.
Speaker 9: Yeah, just before I go, you go.
Speaker 4: Neglected to mention something before when we were talking about.
Speaker 8: Sugar soap.
Speaker 4: We have an opportunity of cleaner from the interior, you know,
Speaker 4: paint prep that it's a water worn product. You just
Speaker 4: mix that up, spread on the walls and use that
Speaker 4: to clean your walls and perhaps not high youth areas
Speaker 4: where there's greet or anything like that, but it will
Speaker 4: clean an interior corridor wall or a bedroom wall or
Speaker 4: in something like that quite happily. So that's another one
Speaker 4: to consider.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used it in the bathroom ceiling last year.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it takes it off right now, Sorry,
Speaker 3: I'll grab you for one last question. The product you
Speaker 3: were talking about, the paint that will go of, but
Speaker 3: not what's that product.
Speaker 4: It's called Membrane Roofing Primate Perfect. Yeah, but it will
Speaker 4: only stick beautiful, so you have to make very very
Speaker 4: very sure that whatever you're putting that over is actually beautiful. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: a rubber memo if it's GPO, do not.
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely yeah. Hey, really appreciate it first time for
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Will get you on again soon and
Speaker 3: really appreciate your time and all of your expertise. Thank you, Bryce, Okay,
Speaker 3: see yeah, take care all the best Bryce McDermott and
Speaker 3: Jay Sharple's both of those painting experts, will will be
Speaker 3: with us throughout twenty twenty five. Eight hundred thanks very
Speaker 3: much for your text. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 3: is the number to call, and a bunch of useful
Speaker 3: texts people suggesting things around how you kind of look
Speaker 3: after your paint tin, and it's actually quite important to
Speaker 3: be fair. The suggestion that you just chop the inside
Speaker 3: ring out and then use it as a workpot, that's great,
Speaker 3: but then you can't use it as to store your
Speaker 3: painting anymore. And I'll tell you what the good people
Speaker 3: at Razin, as they do to a number of their clients,
Speaker 3: send out like a little gift pack which arrived at
Speaker 3: my place in a four liter paint tin that had
Speaker 3: the inside ring knocked out. And it was nicely decorated
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing. And while I've gobbled up
Speaker 3: the chocolates and bit and pieces that paint ton, I
Speaker 3: will have for years, So thank you very much for that. Guys,
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Speaker 3: TALKSB taking your calls this morning on all things building
Speaker 3: and construction. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 3: number to call. We have had a bit of conversation
Speaker 3: around cccs, and you know what happens if you're interested
Speaker 3: in the property that perhaps has a building consent that
Speaker 3: didn't get a CCC and what's involved. This text in
Speaker 3: from Dave Hi Pete. Could you just give us a
Speaker 3: quick list of the process required to achieve a certificate
Speaker 3: of approval. Now that's different, so a CoA or a
Speaker 3: certificate of approval where a CCC hasn't been obtained on
Speaker 3: a relatively new build. We've got a small outbuilding four
Speaker 3: by six I presume meters, which didn't need a consent
Speaker 3: because of its size. It must be quite new because
Speaker 3: that planning change didn't happen that long ago. So it's
Speaker 3: less than thirty square meters doesn't necessarily require a consent.
Speaker 3: So I pre assume that that's that extension of schedule
Speaker 3: one that has allowed that to be built. But we
Speaker 3: have subsequently put in a fireplace professional which will menan.
Speaker 3: It will now need some sort of council building approval.
Speaker 3: If I want to get a limb at any point,
Speaker 3: it's not that you want to get a limit, it's
Speaker 3: just a limb will be created at any point in
Speaker 3: the future. I assume having images and certificates for the
Speaker 3: as built work would be helpful, but roughly what else
Speaker 3: is required? The challenge, well, a couple of challenges there.
Speaker 3: One is that installing a fireplace does require a consent,
Speaker 3: but it only requires a consent for the installation of
Speaker 3: the fireplace, right, So I think that in this instance
Speaker 3: you can build the building less than thirty square meters
Speaker 3: if it's in the right place, except et cetera, without
Speaker 3: needing a building consent, but the addition of the fireplace
Speaker 3: does need a building consent. The fact that the fireplace
Speaker 3: has been installed but you didn't apply for a building
Speaker 3: consent means that you'll need to go for a certificate
Speaker 3: of acceptance. What's happened with certificates of acceptance, which used
Speaker 3: to be the old Safe and Sanitary report is council
Speaker 3: typically now have set this standard at the same as
Speaker 3: if you were applying for a building consent, roughly, so,
Speaker 3: it will need some drawings, it will need the appropriate documentation,
Speaker 3: it'll need an inspection, possibly by counsel, and then they
Speaker 3: will issue you a CoA for that. In this instance, Dave,
Speaker 3: you're only asking for a CoA for the fireplace, nothing else.
Speaker 3: This is something that's important as well, is that when
Speaker 3: dealing with a consent that doesn't have a CCC, any
Speaker 3: inspection should only deal with what was on the concent
Speaker 3: Other stuff that wasn't part of the consent shouldn't then
Speaker 3: get drawn into this right, So you've got to ring
Speaker 3: fence the scope of the work by making sure that
Speaker 3: the inspector focuses only on the work that's part of
Speaker 3: the building consent and not get distracted by other stuff.
Speaker 3: So I think for you, Dave, you're probably going to
Speaker 3: need to provide drawings, documentation, warranty certificate, produce a statement
Speaker 3: from the installer and then take that along and that
Speaker 3: should be sufficient for a CoA or a certificate of acceptance.
Speaker 3: Hopefully that works out well for you. But and I
Speaker 3: don't want to be the sort of I told you so,
Speaker 3: but even the person installing the fireplace, if they are
Speaker 3: a professional, they should have known that you needed to
Speaker 3: apply for a consent before doing the work. Council get
Speaker 3: mightily upset with people that turn it around, turn up
Speaker 3: and go oh ah, sorry, I forgot to get one
Speaker 3: of those what do you call them building consent things.
Speaker 3: Didn't think it was really that important, thought I could
Speaker 3: get away without doing it. Can you give me one now, please?
Speaker 3: And they kind of go no. And that's why they've
Speaker 3: also increased the burden of proof because people are doing
Speaker 3: this all the time, doing building work that they knew
Speaker 3: require a building consent, just couldn't be bothered go ahead
Speaker 3: and do it, and then ring counsel up and go,
Speaker 3: oh hey, look, can you just give us one of
Speaker 3: those coas please? No, they won't anymore. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Steve. Very
Speaker 3: good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah you do well, Pete, Yeah, Apete. I've been an expert,
Speaker 6: an architectural currently architectural designer for the last twenty five years,
Speaker 6: self deployed and in Auckland. And you see this all
Speaker 6: the time, people expecting that you can just get it,
Speaker 6: get a croat out acceptance, but it's not the case.
Speaker 6: That it's a lot harder, a lot more hoop to
Speaker 6: jump through.
Speaker 3: And you can kind of I got a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of quite challenging texts a little while ago, which I'm
Speaker 3: happy with, right, I'm more than happy to be challenged
Speaker 3: on my opinions and statements. And it was all along
Speaker 3: the lines of, you know, stop constantly defending counsel and
Speaker 3: encouraging bureaucracy and that sort of thing. And so generally
Speaker 3: I don't know that I do, but at the same
Speaker 3: time I understand that the rules are there for a reason, right,
Speaker 3: And I think what was happening, and this is probably
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen years ago is that people were going, look,
Speaker 3: I kind of know that I need a building consent,
Speaker 3: but I kind of can't be bothered, so I'm just
Speaker 3: going to go ahead and do the work. Then I
Speaker 3: bring up counsel and go, oh, sorry, silly me, I
Speaker 3: forgot to get a consent. Can you come out and
Speaker 3: give me one of those coas or a safe and
Speaker 3: sanitary and council have had a guts full of that,
Speaker 3: so I completely understand that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. Look, people are so tempted, aren't they, by
Speaker 6: the by just saving money? Isn't it about thinking they
Speaker 6: justify themselves that they at the beginning to pay a
Speaker 6: few thousand dollars Yet we don't know, and it kind
Speaker 6: of they do. The guy saved my my neighbor from
Speaker 6: a pretty ugly situation that could that could have been
Speaker 6: later for him when he went and got his all
Speaker 6: his windows replaced. Lightful like, didn't need didn't need a
Speaker 6: building consent.
Speaker 8: Yep.
Speaker 6: And what happened is as I came home every day,
Speaker 6: I watched these guys who are replacing the windows put
Speaker 6: the head, put the flashing them and they were basically
Speaker 6: just chasing the weatherboard, not tucking them up and of
Speaker 6: course I told me. I told my neighbor, look, look,
Speaker 6: look what's happening here. And yeah, look lucky I was
Speaker 6: there to tell him, and he he had the owners,
Speaker 6: you know, the jowinery company up about this. They were
Speaker 6: unaware of it because these guys were external contractors.
Speaker 11: And look, a lot of.
Speaker 6: People think that these guys who throw these windows and
Speaker 6: are like builders. You know, this is the misconception that
Speaker 6: you get in the industry. They must be builders because
Speaker 6: they're putting windows and they're not a lot of the
Speaker 6: time they've just they might be handy man, or they
Speaker 6: might have just picked up a hammer. Over the last
Speaker 6: six months, they've been quickly trained to throw windows in.
Speaker 3: That's right. They've given a you know, they've got a
Speaker 3: very specific task to do, which they can do competently,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't then make them aware of all of
Speaker 3: the other legislation and restrictions around it. Steve, I've got
Speaker 3: to go, but thanks very much for jumping in and
Speaker 3: adding those thoughts. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Speaker 3: is the number to call quick text as well. Pete
Speaker 3: takes some good photographs when you're applying for a CoA.
Speaker 3: It's that it's the whole evidence thing, right, So if
Speaker 3: you can provide evidence to say, hey, look here is
Speaker 3: some before photos, here's some you know, in process ones.
Speaker 3: Here's the critical things. If there's fire rating, if there's waterproofing,
Speaker 3: if there's particular types of timber that you use, keep
Speaker 3: all of the receipts as well. Yes, evidence is good.
Speaker 3: If you're applying for a CoA back in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: a wedding family extended family. Yeah, our godson is getting
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Speaker 3: and so I'll be out of toll wronger. And then
Speaker 3: after that, actually we're going to trot on down to
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Speaker 3: and keeps on saying to me, you've got to go,
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Speaker 3: But right now we're talking building. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 3: That number to call I mentioned just prior to the
Speaker 3: news because I mean, we do for very good reason,
Speaker 3: spend a bit of time on the show talking about
Speaker 3: I guess, not practical things as in we talk about legislation.
Speaker 3: I know it's practical, but it's it kind of there's
Speaker 3: the doing and then there's the thinking about doing, and
Speaker 3: the thinking bit is the legislation. The regulations and these
Speaker 3: things govern what you can and cannot do in terms
Speaker 3: of construction at home. Schedule one, it's the Building Act,
Speaker 3: it's other pieces of legislation. They all have an impact.
Speaker 3: So one of the little projects that we have been
Speaker 3: working on over the last couple of months as a series,
Speaker 3: so it's on YouTube now called I've Been Thinking, which
Speaker 3: is essentially me thinking about a lot of things that
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Speaker 3: We talk a little bit about painting, we talk about insulation,
Speaker 3: we talk about how double glazing works. So if you've
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Speaker 3: can you prove that it works? Yes, so we've done
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Speaker 3: If you just go to YouTube search for resident build
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Speaker 3: find a whole lot of information there that'll be useful.
Speaker 3: And then as we build that library, I'm sort of
Speaker 3: taking suggestions for things that we should be talking about
Speaker 3: like we do on the show as well. Oh eight
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 3: And oh, now, just before the news, someone said, what's
Speaker 3: that stuff that he was talking about with regard to
Speaker 3: the rust. Oxalic acid. How you spell that is o
Speaker 3: x a lic so oxalic o x a lic acid
Speaker 3: you can also buy. I've noticed like water stain remover
Speaker 3: in hardware stores as well, which is like oxalic acid.
Speaker 3: And then the product that Bryce was talking about is CLR,
Speaker 3: which has been around for a long time. To be fair,
Speaker 3: I didn't know you could use it to sort of
Speaker 3: get rid of rust stains in that. I've got a
Speaker 3: little job for that later on this week as well. Sarah,
Speaker 3: A very good morning to you.
Speaker 12: Good morning Peak, can you goody.
Speaker 3: Good thank you?
Speaker 12: And else good good, good thing.
Speaker 3: How can I help?
Speaker 12: Well, we're looking to buy a house and there's a
Speaker 12: number of issues. There's they're often with older houses. It's
Speaker 12: a nineteen fifties house. It's unusual in the fact, it's
Speaker 12: not unusual that it's got stucco on the outside in
Speaker 12: a sort of star coe ceiling. What is unusual. It's
Speaker 12: also got that star coe on the internal walls of
Speaker 12: some of the rooms, like the loud and I'm thinking
Speaker 12: what can we do with that? We can't get a
Speaker 12: builder for lifele money, holidays and fair enough, you guys
Speaker 12: need a break. But we're trying to decide what that's
Speaker 12: going to cost to jub over or remove. There might
Speaker 12: be asbestos also, So that's just one issue. The other
Speaker 12: issue is they've got that the house apparently used to
Speaker 12: have a double garage at the roadside. What they've done
Speaker 12: is they've converted that garage into a studio, no bathroom,
Speaker 12: but just a studio, and then they've built on the
Speaker 12: whole length of the house and they've put the garage
Speaker 12: at the other end right. But all this is done
Speaker 12: without permits. But someone said to me they either have
Speaker 12: to pull it down or ask for a code of acceptance.
Speaker 12: But they've straightaway that. The real estate agent said no,
Speaker 12: they're not prepared to do that. They'll pull it down,
Speaker 12: but they won't get a CoA. I've measured it. It's
Speaker 12: one point seven meters between the corner of that new
Speaker 12: garage part in their new fence because they've subdivided the
Speaker 12: section so they're now building on the other side. So
Speaker 12: and then the rest of it, it's like a triangle shape.
Speaker 12: So it gets wider and wider is it goes back
Speaker 12: towards the road where the original driveway was. The problem
Speaker 12: is there should probably appreciate. There's no plans on file.
Speaker 12: Nobody can prove it was ever there. They have found
Speaker 12: a photo showing the original garage, so we can prove
Speaker 12: that it was always but yet not a great one
Speaker 12: that there was a garage. We can't prove that it
Speaker 12: was ever permitted. I guess one of my questions there is,
Speaker 12: are we therefore able to rebuild that garage like for
Speaker 12: light because it was there without a permit?
Speaker 3: Oh, very good question.
Speaker 12: And they've filed up the road as well. They've put
Speaker 12: the fence and behind it now so you would never
Speaker 12: know there was ever a driveway entrance there apart from
Speaker 12: this photo, this aerial shot from you know, thirty odd
Speaker 12: years ago.
Speaker 11: Whenever that goes.
Speaker 3: Is the intention though of the garage, it's no longer
Speaker 3: going to be a garage, it's going to be a
Speaker 3: habitable space.
Speaker 12: Well, I think what they've done is they're trying to
Speaker 12: get the best of both worlds. We just want to
Speaker 12: get a garage back.
Speaker 3: You need a garage, absolutely, and that's.
Speaker 11: What we want.
Speaker 12: But we see it as quite a usable room at
Speaker 12: the moment because obviously it's an end on the end,
Speaker 12: it's a huge, big space and they've got the car,
Speaker 12: they've got the bikes, they've got you know, the wreck
Speaker 12: room for the teenage kids in a little old studio
Speaker 12: at the back that you can pot around in this workshop.
Speaker 12: But it's not clearly consented because they've adapted that and
Speaker 12: they've said no, and we don't want to purchase the
Speaker 12: property and then have massive problems with counts because we
Speaker 12: can't prove there was never a garage the air and
Speaker 12: there's you know, there's no apart from this photo that
Speaker 12: does show the original garage there. We were just wonder
Speaker 12: if it's going to get end up in the two
Speaker 12: hard basket because it would affect our offer. And then
Speaker 12: the thing of the staco. Do we just simply jib
Speaker 12: over there? Obviously we'd have to get it tested for asbestos.
Speaker 12: That we're not so concerned about that. I guess it's
Speaker 12: how much over all this is going to cost.
Speaker 3: And look, i'd be really it'd be foolish of me
Speaker 3: to offer up a price on that sort of thing
Speaker 3: because without seeing it fair enough. At the same time,
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if they've got stucco on the walls
Speaker 3: and you know, you can like obviously you want to
Speaker 3: get you.
Speaker 12: Can reason why we would get it tested.
Speaker 3: You just pull off the yeah, and encapsulating asbestos is
Speaker 3: a kind of a prescribed way of dealing with the potential,
Speaker 3: right you know.
Speaker 12: Sure, so just a big lounge area that's got those
Speaker 12: internal walls. The rest of the walls appear to be
Speaker 12: jim ye okay.
Speaker 3: And in terms of like the unconsented work, I mean,
Speaker 3: there must be literally thousands of properties around the country
Speaker 3: that have unconsented work, right.
Speaker 12: For sure, But we're concerned about Peters because they're building
Speaker 12: next door. Council are going to be next door doing
Speaker 12: all there that and pieces as they go by, and
Speaker 12: they're going to see it. So it's not like it
Speaker 12: can go under the radar, to be fair, and we
Speaker 12: don't want it to be going under the radar. We
Speaker 12: want to get it.
Speaker 3: I think unless the work is you know, potentially really
Speaker 3: really unsafe or something like that. Council, to the best
Speaker 3: of my knowledge, are not in the habit of wandering
Speaker 3: down the street comparing old photographs and old consents with
Speaker 3: what they see today, right, you know, every now and
Speaker 3: then you hear about council entering a property and issuing
Speaker 3: an unsafe building notice or something like that, but that
Speaker 3: the last one that I can recall was a gentleman
Speaker 3: who decided to build a three story tower out of
Speaker 3: palettes and plywood in his backyard. You know, now there
Speaker 3: was there's a lot of other issues going on there.
Speaker 3: It's not like someone who's added a lean to an
Speaker 3: existing garage and using that as a workshop or a
Speaker 3: storage space. I guess the other way of looking at
Speaker 3: that is there is nothing to stop you purchasing the property,
Speaker 3: being fully aware of the risks involved in it, and
Speaker 3: accepting the fact that when you go to sell, as
Speaker 3: we all inevitably do, someone's going to ask exactly the
Speaker 3: same questions you're asking today of you. And then you've
Speaker 3: got to go, what am I? What am I going
Speaker 3: to say?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: How am I going to We don't.
Speaker 12: Mind pulling it down and putting the proper garage bet
Speaker 12: at the front. I guess we're what we're wanting to
Speaker 12: know is can we just do that because there was
Speaker 12: a garage there and we're just putting it bat like
Speaker 12: for like, so therefore we don't need a permit to
Speaker 12: do that, and we pull down the rest of the structure.
Speaker 3: I think you'd be pushing it because you know, well
Speaker 3: only in the sense that like you could do, you
Speaker 3: could call it repairs and maintenance. I'm going to take
Speaker 3: off some weather boards, I'm going to take off some
Speaker 3: out some studs, I'm going to replace some studs. I'm
Speaker 3: going to replace the weather board. And then it becomes
Speaker 3: like Granddad's ax. Right, it's had three heads and four
Speaker 3: for handles? Is it still Granddad's as kind of? But
Speaker 3: not quite? I mean, do you actually again many other things?
Speaker 3: Do you need to pull it down? Can you just
Speaker 3: repair the garage and make it so?
Speaker 12: I don't know, we don't. But the property is already
Speaker 12: under scrutiny because they've got a you're going to laugh
Speaker 12: at this, they've got a car port. But that car
Speaker 12: port is half on the.
Speaker 4: What do you call it?
Speaker 12: The boom and although yeah, although it's I know, but
Speaker 12: it's right up the back in a rural dead end
Speaker 12: street and you can't go any further. And the council
Speaker 12: have never looked after the front part. And they've got
Speaker 12: all trees, trees, all sorts of things there and it's
Speaker 12: all nice and private. But the council have now decided,
Speaker 12: bless them, They've issued them a notice and they said,
Speaker 12: you could either take that down or you can pay
Speaker 12: a couple of thousand dollars. I think it is peaked
Speaker 12: to get a conceit. We'll consider if will allow you
Speaker 12: to keep it, and then we'll charge you potentially under
Speaker 12: one thousand dollars a year to rent it off us
Speaker 12: rent it back, which is not the end of the world.
Speaker 12: But because it's already under the radar, we thought, well,
Speaker 12: this is the other side of the property. Does that
Speaker 12: put the other and how much money we talking? Because
Speaker 12: you know, to do all these things, it's a bit
Speaker 12: of an open isn't it.
Speaker 3: A lot of this is going to come to.
Speaker 12: I mean they only use it. They only use it
Speaker 12: to chop their wood under it for the log fire.
Speaker 12: But look, it's not unsightly. Even the neighbors. You can
Speaker 12: see right down the street. They're all over the However,
Speaker 12: the other neighbors don't have a structure on it, so
Speaker 12: it's it doesn't they've turned a blind eye to there
Speaker 12: because there's nothing there but here they've got.
Speaker 3: Kind of comes down to what your risk profile is, right,
Speaker 3: So you know, if you are prepared to take the
Speaker 3: risk and you're prepared to accept that you might be
Speaker 3: in a position were you and have to spend some money.
Speaker 3: There's lots of mites and it just comes down to risk.
Speaker 3: I mean, in the end, you can buy whatever you want, right.
Speaker 12: For sure. And I guess we could go through the
Speaker 12: permit process and put a double ariage somewhere else on
Speaker 12: the property. I don't know what you I don't know.
Speaker 12: I don't know what you're paying for a double garage
Speaker 12: these days.
Speaker 3: That one could be that more. Yeah, but yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: a couple of interesting texts that are coming through in
Speaker 3: terms of you know, the garage should show on the limb,
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. I mean, limbs don't typically tell
Speaker 3: you the property, and then it won't matter about the
Speaker 3: unconsented work as long as it's not showing on the limb.
Speaker 3: And then and the other thing is then you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes with getting finance it can be tricky if there's
Speaker 3: there's fish in the contract.
Speaker 12: We've got no problems with getting the finance. I'm more
Speaker 12: concerned about the insurance aspect of it. We've got something
Speaker 12: that's deemed illegal and let's say there was a fire
Speaker 12: or yeah, you know what a playing for ye, I realize.
Speaker 3: It, you know, risk profile that's really.
Speaker 12: The reason why we thought it might just be saved
Speaker 12: to pull it down. But we thought we made the
Speaker 12: title to rebuild the original garage. It's not on the plans,
Speaker 12: but the photo definitely shows there was a garage.
Speaker 3: The other thing and whether or not you can do
Speaker 3: this in the time that you have to as part
Speaker 3: of your due diligence free purchase is to actually go
Speaker 3: to council. You know, most councils have a building help desk.
Speaker 3: You could sit down and go okay, you know, with
Speaker 3: the planet, and their response typically their response.
Speaker 12: I'm still waiting for the planner to my care.
Speaker 11: But what were you?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm trying to do the right stuff. I guess
Speaker 12: I was more phased about that stako on the Have
Speaker 12: you ever seen it? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 9: Look it's a little bit like.
Speaker 3: That sort of Spanish effect, you know that. It's yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: people love that. Back in the day, it was the
Speaker 3: height of fashion.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can.
Speaker 12: You can put up with it on the in the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, that's right. You got standards to maintain. Hey,
Speaker 3: good luck with the process. All the very best you, Sarah,
Speaker 3: You take care all right? All of this then, oh,
Speaker 3: classic ridy. Oh, it is twenty one almost twenty two
Speaker 3: minutes after eight. We'll take a short break. We'll take
Speaker 3: one more call if you want a Russian, and we'll
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Speaker 8: You go get a Mike, Hi, Peter, thanks for taking
Speaker 8: my call.
Speaker 3: Pleasure.
Speaker 8: So I've got a nineteen fifty nine weatherboard house. It's
Speaker 8: got gable ends at the ends, and in the triangular
Speaker 8: part of the gable end there's board and bat Yes.
Speaker 8: And at the bottom of that board and baton there's
Speaker 8: a water break sill before the weatherboard underneath it. Yes,
Speaker 8: the flashing on the water break sill is interesting out.
Speaker 8: For a while, I've been doing sort of blog jobs
Speaker 8: on it. While it's just not really working. It's at
Speaker 8: the point where it needs replacing. But my concern is
Speaker 8: that it's very difficult to get it out without lifting
Speaker 8: up the board and bat and above yep. And I'm
Speaker 8: concerned and I'm not going to be able to do
Speaker 8: that without breaking them. So it's wondering what I was wondering,
Speaker 8: whether I could just rip a line above it and
Speaker 8: put another water brake sell on top of it and
Speaker 8: that would help me to get the flashing out. Or
Speaker 8: is that not advisable?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what you're saying. The corrosion on the
Speaker 3: existing flashing that's there. Is it like only on the
Speaker 3: front lip, or is the entire flashing all the way
Speaker 3: back to let's say where the building line. So typically
Speaker 3: this type of flashing, it comes down the building line,
Speaker 3: extends over the top of the weatherboards and then goes
Speaker 3: down again. And then they would have put the weather
Speaker 3: boards on, put the flashing on, put the board and
Speaker 3: baton above it, right, So there's a part of it
Speaker 3: that goes up behind the board and baton, which, like
Speaker 3: you say, without taking the board and baton off or
Speaker 3: prying them forward, is almost impossible to remove.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's actually, it's quite it's quite common. It's not
Speaker 8: just on the front with that flashing. It's kind of
Speaker 8: sitting on the top that would you understand what I
Speaker 8: mean by a water brake sill. It's like a window
Speaker 8: sill that they've got at the bottom of the board
Speaker 8: and battern.
Speaker 3: Yes, it sort of.
Speaker 8: It overhangs the weatherboard underneath it.
Speaker 3: So is there actually a metal flashing over it at
Speaker 3: all or is it just the timber that's acting as
Speaker 3: the flashing.
Speaker 8: No, there is a metal flashing over the brake cell, right,
Speaker 8: and that's what's rusted out.
Speaker 3: And it's that flashing that's rusted out. And again, is
Speaker 3: that rusted all the way back, let's say, to the
Speaker 3: upstand at the back, or is it just kind of
Speaker 3: on the front edge.
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, it's rusted to where it goes vertical up
Speaker 8: and behind the board and.
Speaker 9: Bat and right.
Speaker 3: H The reason I was sort of asking so many
Speaker 3: questions about how corroded it is is, you know, depending
Speaker 3: on how exposed the area is, what the wind situation is,
Speaker 3: what this whether there's an eve or an overhang, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Is that you know, if it's relatively low risk right
Speaker 3: in terms of weather being driven in there, then you
Speaker 3: could just cut the corroded part of the flashing off,
Speaker 3: leaving the upstand and that first sloping section intact and
Speaker 3: sliding a new flashing underneath it. Now, it's not perfect,
Speaker 3: but it you know, it's enough to be a practic
Speaker 3: called repair without having to pull all of the batin
Speaker 3: and board off. Have you trotted?
Speaker 8: Okay?
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, no, that's fair enough. You know, sometimes,
Speaker 3: depending on the size of the gable, it might just
Speaker 3: be like with these jobs, sometimes you spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time trying to think of a quick way of
Speaker 3: doing it, and then you just go, if I just
Speaker 3: pulled the batinum board off and replaced it and did
Speaker 3: the flashing, I could possibly do that in the same
Speaker 3: amount of time as it takes me to fart around
Speaker 3: trying to think of a way of doing it without
Speaker 3: having to take them off.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sometimes I've got a build a guy who has given
Speaker 8: me that same advice. I just wondered if there was
Speaker 8: a sneaky way that I could do it with it.
Speaker 3: And look, sometimes there is a sneaky way, or you know,
Speaker 3: a deep dark secret that's only shared among the initiated
Speaker 3: as to how to do these things. But every now
Speaker 3: and then it's just actually, I'm just going to pop
Speaker 3: those boards off. I might be able to reuse half
Speaker 3: of them, might be able to put some building paper on.
Speaker 3: At the same time, I might be able to get
Speaker 3: some insulation into an unexpected area, that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: And then I'm going to reinstate it, you know. And
Speaker 3: if it's a gable end, does the gable extend over
Speaker 3: the entire width of the building or is it just
Speaker 3: a portion of the front of the building. Like what
Speaker 3: would the width of the gable be.
Speaker 8: Maybe it's got two bedrooms, two bedrooms, why they small bedrooms?
Speaker 8: But okay, probably six meters.
Speaker 3: Ah okay, all right, that's quite a bit of work.
Speaker 3: I mean. The other thing to do along, just very quickly,
Speaker 3: along the lines of what you were talking about initially,
Speaker 3: is to, let's say, come up seventy five millimeters right
Speaker 3: from where the junction is between the board and batten
Speaker 3: and your timber break and cut that, ideally at a
Speaker 3: fifteen degree angle, so you're cutting the undercutting the boards,
Speaker 3: cut them off all the way along. Then you might
Speaker 3: be able to find that with a multi tool you
Speaker 3: can cut through any nails that might be there, and
Speaker 3: that will give you enough space to slide a new
Speaker 3: flashing up as far up as you can possibly go
Speaker 3: and then what you'll see is, instead of a neat
Speaker 3: junction or a closed junction between the board and baton
Speaker 3: and the top of your weather brake seal, you'll have
Speaker 3: a fifty mil up stand there. But you will be
Speaker 3: able to get a flashing in there. But you know,
Speaker 3: don't try and cut twenty mil off. That won't work.
Speaker 3: You'll have to cut at least forty or fifty mili off.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's a couple of options there. That's all
Speaker 3: the very best, Take care, all the best. Right, let's
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