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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen, Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

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Speaker 1: news talk.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to speak to the boss of the inter

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Speaker 3: Islander about why no one on the ship knew that

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Speaker 3: they had to press the button for five seconds to

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Speaker 3: get the autopilot off. Luxeon's met with Biden probably just

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Speaker 3: a quick hello at the NATO dinner, but we're gonna

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Speaker 3: go to Jason Walls and Washington to get the details.

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Speaker 3: And the BBC's rugby commentators coming into the studio to

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Speaker 3: try to convince me the English are gonna win on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Heither Duplicy Ellen, it's the inter Islander. Ah, the inter Islander.

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Speaker 3: Has nobody at the inter Islander learned anything from what

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Speaker 3: happened with Transpower and the Pilon situation just a few

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Speaker 3: weeks ago. The lesson that I took from that is

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Speaker 3: you can pretend you don't know what happened until you're

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Speaker 3: blue in the face, and you can say you need

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Speaker 3: to hide behind all the inquiries that you need to

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Speaker 3: hide behind to establish the facts. But when we find

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Speaker 3: out what happened, and you knew what happened all along.

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Speaker 3: You're going a ridiculous And that's exactly what's just happened

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Speaker 3: with inter Islander, isn't it. They were pretending they didn't

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Speaker 3: know what happened all the while they did know exactly

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Speaker 3: what happened, because they sent out an email last Friday

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Speaker 3: to masters and deck offices telling them what happened. So

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Speaker 3: what happened? If you haven't caught up on this, and really,

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Speaker 3: what rock were you hiding under? What happened?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 3: The faery was on autopilot? After all? Someone had accidentally

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Speaker 3: while it was on autopilot, someone had accidentally pressed an

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Speaker 3: execute button, which then caused the ship to start turning right.

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Speaker 3: No one then could figure out how to get the

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Speaker 3: blinking thing out of autopilot because they didn't realize that

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Speaker 3: And we know what happens. The rest is history. At

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Speaker 3: sitting on the beach right now, here's the timeline that

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Speaker 3: I find particularly interesting. So inter Islander sends out this

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Speaker 3: what had happened on Friday, so they knew on Friday

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Speaker 3: what had happened. Then fast forward to Tuesday this week,

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Speaker 3: four full days later, New Zealand first goes public with

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Speaker 3: so they knew that that was true. What did the

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Speaker 3: inter Island do on Tuesday? When New Zealand first said this,

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Speaker 3: they basically denied it by partially denying it when actually

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Speaker 3: it was mostly true. Then on Wednesday, yesterday, which is

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Speaker 3: now five full days later, the email is leaked, and

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Speaker 3: what did the inter Island do? Still they do not

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Speaker 3: confirm that it is true. They hide behind their ongoing

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Speaker 3: investigations and say they can't do anything. Today Thursday, now

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Speaker 3: six full days later. I am yet to see them

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Speaker 3: is what happened, because it is clearly what happened, because

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Speaker 3: we were not ever supposed to see. Now, look, I

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Speaker 3: understand why organizations do this kind of thing. Why they

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Speaker 3: At times, it's because it buys them time, and that

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Speaker 3: But it is a really bad strategy because it makes

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Speaker 3: is absolutely embarrassing to them what happened, so they don't

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Speaker 3: So stand by for that. We'll see the government's bringing

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Speaker 3: in a new ministerial advisory group just on another subject

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Speaker 3: altogether to bring down retail crime. Now, retail crime as

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Speaker 3: we know has got quite out of hand, right, it's

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Speaker 3: increased eighty six percent in just the last five years.

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Speaker 3: There's been a seventy two percent rise of sexual assault

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Speaker 3: Crime and joins me. Now, hey, Sonny, Sonny, what is

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Speaker 4: Well, the first of all is to do set up

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Speaker 4: the actionable policies. You know, no one deserves to go

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Speaker 4: So we believe that this is something that can be

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So are you supposed to set this group up and

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You see, the dairies or service stations or supermarkets and

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Speaker 4: they will be given a charm to shape policy that

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Speaker 4: affects us all equally and us all daily. And we

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Speaker 4: would be reaching out to those business stakeholders. I mean

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Speaker 4: it could be you know, any trades or a tail

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Speaker 3: So I see, you guys have been put together for

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Speaker 3: two years. But tell me, I mean you're not going

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Speaker 3: the government as you come across really great ideas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you will see that. We would set

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Speaker 4: the board rolling from next week and within a few

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Speaker 4: and you will be the first to hear a.

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Speaker 2: Head on that one.

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Speaker 3: Sonny am I going to hear before the minister.

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Speaker 4: Well you know what we're going to propose, because those

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Speaker 4: things should have been done a long time back, and

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Speaker 4: because it's all about consequences, it's all about stopping crime.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, crime is crying. You know,

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Speaker 4: we need to stop it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Listen, you're not a man short of ideas. You've

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Speaker 3: I can ask you for your single biggest idea right

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Speaker 3: now for how you fix things, what would it be.

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Speaker 4: Well, the first of all, we need to look at

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Speaker 4: making or supporting our police force. You know they need

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Speaker 4: proper backup. And and also these the consequences, the message

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Speaker 4: of consequences need to go out right now. The offenders

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Speaker 4: they know there are no consequences and that's how they

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Speaker 4: are so fearless, and they have no fear of police,

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Speaker 4: no fear of law, no fear of being caught or

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Speaker 2: That's what is missing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, so tough sentences.

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Speaker 4: That's one of them. But it's going to be you know,

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Speaker 4: a good case that you're going to put together so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, Sonny, looking forward to seeing what you

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Speaker 3: Ministerial Advisory Group Group for victims of retail crime. Hither

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Speaker 3: it would seem that the Inter Islander has exactly the

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Speaker 3: same pr consultants as Darlene Tanna. Do you think that

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Speaker 3: we have got good news, very good news. The first

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Speaker 3: The bank is Westpac. So from tomorrow, the sixth month,

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Speaker 3: about that? That's stupid. But twelve months, that's the one,

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Speaker 3: So that'll be the first of many. I'd imagine quarter.

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Speaker 1: Past digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper

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Speaker 3: Does he water Grave sports talk hosters with me right now? Hey, dars, greetings,

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Speaker 3: So TJ's out. Do we know how long he's out for?

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Speaker 5: No, that won't be too long.

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Speaker 5: Well, all I do now is look back at Patrick

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Speaker 5: Twee Poloto and that was supposed to be five weeks

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Speaker 5: about this and this, it sounds horrible because TJ did

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Speaker 3: So how far off TJ's level is Phinley Christy?

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Speaker 5: That's interesting about how you want me to phrase that?

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Speaker 5: What you want to give you a number, Laura?

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Speaker 2: Is he?

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Speaker 3: Is he an adequate replacement or are we going to

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Speaker 5: I don't think we'll notice too much of a difference.

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Speaker 5: I think possibly the speed of the pass off the

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Speaker 5: than TJ. Pettinara there. He's very combative, defensively combative, sorry, defensively,

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Speaker 5: So I'm not sure what we'll lose there. But one

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Speaker 5: in a comfortable place at Eden Park. He's done the

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Speaker 5: with that Blues pack. Now, I think the three Loosies

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Speaker 5: probably didn't cover themselves in glory last week and they

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Speaker 5: didn't give TJ enough room to give Damian McKenzie enough room.

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Speaker 5: I think we suffered there. So I think if we

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Speaker 5: to improved. Is a great player, but I think that

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Speaker 5: and that's what we like about this team. There's only

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Speaker 5: one change and that's enforced by injury, so Raises basically said, right,

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Speaker 5: you've had a chance, you're blowing some cob webs out,

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Speaker 5: you've had to go. You know, you're commut going.

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Speaker 3: To come in here feeling pretty CONFIDENTB Well, they've.

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Speaker 5: Only got one change as well, Joe Marler's it's very

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Speaker 5: rare conscutive test matches only one change of sides and.

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Speaker 3: A single point loss is not something to be too

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Speaker 5: No, it's still a loss when you look though at

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Speaker 3: He's Scottsford with that here and that name.

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Speaker 5: It's very vibrant random to say at the media session,

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Speaker 3: No, he's fantastic. Read here, good stuff listen before I

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Speaker 5: As well as Tebrowski. So we've still got some Kiwi representation.

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Speaker 3: That will absolutely something fun to watch. Okay, what have

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Speaker 5: We've got Duckton Popolli, He joins us. Story I'll caught

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Speaker 3: that's from Gooseye. Well, I think that's actually just exactly

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Speaker 3: The leak out today details an angry confrontation between Darlene

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Speaker 6: Said Bee gather cool Duzy.

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Speaker 3: Weather very soon does us in ten minutes time. Murrayolds

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Speaker 3: is standing by hither Good on Darlene Tana. How refreshing

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Speaker 3: which is nice because wasn't Georgia Maloney supposed to be

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Speaker 3: So NATO has announced that Ukraine will be invited to

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Speaker 3: And here's some space news for you. Researchers from the

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Speaker 1: Hole International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 8: Has he three counts of murder relating to three of

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Speaker 7: No decision to extend it. That did expire. The seventy

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Speaker 8: live remotely and I'm talking very remotely, and a lot

436
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Speaker 8: of people come and to see family and so on.

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Speaker 8: But what that does, of course, is according to authorities,

438
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Speaker 8: is create all sorts of issues when families get together.

439
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Speaker 8: You know what Christmas can be like with a pain

440
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Speaker 8: of the bump with Uncle Bill and he gets full

441
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Speaker 8: of the State school hat rack and says inappropriate stuff. Well,

442
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Speaker 8: that's what's happening in Alice Springs, and people are settling

443
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Speaker 8: grievances and having fights and so on.

444
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Speaker 7: So what the government has said, guess what, We're not

445
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Speaker 7: going to extended.

446
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Speaker 8: But what we're going to do is have the police

447
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Speaker 8: are going, Northern Territory police and other springs are going

448
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Speaker 8: to be leading like a multi agency response to this.

449
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Speaker 7: One of the most exciting your sounding things.

450
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Speaker 8: Is because there's two hundred and fifty million dollars been

451
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Speaker 8: set aside with the federal government to help set up

452
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Speaker 8: programs that are.

453
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Speaker 7: Actually going to work.

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Speaker 8: And one of these is a program that enrolls Indigenous

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Speaker 8: children and young adults sixteen to twenty four.

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Speaker 7: It's a two year program. They have a place to.

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Speaker 8: Stay in a sort of a boarding school, setup, education, training,

458
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Speaker 8: and ultimately employment. If you get a few things like

459
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Speaker 8: that going and turn some of the young people onto that,

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Speaker 8: they won't be out drinking and punching on.

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Speaker 7: So, yeah, that's how that works.

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Speaker 3: Marz. Listen, this business about the poicassos at Hobart not

463
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Speaker 3: actually being pocasos. Is this a controversy or not, well.

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Speaker 8: To the extent that people around the world have we've

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Speaker 8: been now talking about it.

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Speaker 7: I suppose it is.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is a I mean the couple who

468
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Speaker 8: owned Mona this is a magnificent gallery just up the

469
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Speaker 8: river from Hobart about fifteen to twenty minute.

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Speaker 7: Ferry right, and you're there and it is apparently.

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Speaker 8: I've not been there. My wife's been there a couple

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Speaker 8: of times. I've not been there, but it is the

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Speaker 8: most amazing gallery. And yes, they had two picassas on

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Speaker 8: display for the last four years. But the wife of

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Speaker 8: the museum owner has revealed today on social media she

476
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Speaker 8: actually paid to them herself. Her name is Kersha Cacelli.

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Speaker 8: She used social media to out herself. She couldn't get

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Speaker 8: picassos to show in the museum. The cost of insurance

479
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Speaker 8: alone would be too much, so she and her girlfriend said, bugaret,

480
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Speaker 8: let's do some ourselves, and they have. The only way

481
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Speaker 8: it's come to light is because a fellow of these

482
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Speaker 8: two fake, fake picassos were hanging in the ladies lounge.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well of Sydney man was down there at OI.

484
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Speaker 7: How can I cargement of the ladies Lounge? It's discrimination.

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Speaker 8: So he's gone to the legal as system in Tasmania

486
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Speaker 8: alleging he's been discriminated against. The lower court found yes

487
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Speaker 8: he has. It's now being appealed by the gallery owner

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Speaker 8: and his wife. And as part of this process, she's

489
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Speaker 8: come out and said this and by the way they're

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Speaker 8: not real Picassos, but she's still insisting only women can

491
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Speaker 8: see them because there's a nude and there's a luncheon

492
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Speaker 8: on a rug, and so she's hanging them both in

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Speaker 8: the ladies loop.

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Speaker 2: So look it is.

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Speaker 8: It is a bit of a tongue in cheek, the

496
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Speaker 8: protest by this woman, I suppose. But certainly, look, it's

497
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Speaker 8: made a lot of headlines over here, and a lot

498
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Speaker 8: of people think this museum, that this art gallery, I

499
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Speaker 8: beg your pardon is really the Dutch nuts are just

500
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Speaker 8: as fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Maz But are you telling me that this whole controversy

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Speaker 3: about the Picasso's, there were only two Picassos and neither

503
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Speaker 3: of them are real.

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Speaker 7: Not the Picassos real.

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Speaker 3: No, she went down to two Pocassos.

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Speaker 8: Well, there was one that was Apparently she's up in

507
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Speaker 8: Paris this year. She's gone to an art exhibition in Paris.

508
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Speaker 8: Sure enough, there's one of the Picasso's that she copied,

509
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Speaker 8: and she reckons hers is better. So to the xt Look,

510
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Speaker 8: I don't know two for Caso. She went to Bunning's,

511
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Speaker 8: got a sixth sense paintbrush and went back home and

512
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Speaker 8: knocked these two up.

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Speaker 7: And make the world's been believing her up. Yeah, picsso

514
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Speaker 7: so whatever, Mars.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Crazy things. Murriol's Australia corresponding, Okay,

516
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Speaker 3: so this bird, Okay, so she's gone public. She is

517
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Speaker 3: married to the art gallery Zoner and she's gone. But

518
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Speaker 3: she's just stirred up so much controversy with trying to

519
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Speaker 3: make a point about male privilege and stuff by keeping

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Speaker 3: the blokes out of seeing the Pocasso. She's gone. On

521
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Speaker 3: the website it appears voluntarily but maybe forced by the

522
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Speaker 3: Carcase admitted they're not real, and she said the reason

523
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Speaker 3: that she did them was she did them in green

524
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Speaker 3: because I wished for the lounge to be monochrome, and

525
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Speaker 3: I also had time working against me, not to mention

526
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Speaker 3: the cost of insuring a Picasso exorbitant exclamation mark. A

527
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Speaker 3: few days later, I was having drinks with my friend

528
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Speaker 3: Natalie be Natalie loves being roped into this. Maybe I

529
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Speaker 3: should just make the paintings myself, I said, We laughed,

530
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Speaker 3: how absurd, and then, as with many absurd ideas, I

531
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Speaker 3: decided it was a good one. What Dick quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Right, Barry Soper, our senior political correspondence with US.

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Speaker 9: Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon here.

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Speaker 1: So this will be a.

536
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Speaker 3: Big thing for Chris Lackson, right, just even if all

537
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Speaker 3: he got was a handshake with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know whether you have seen the photographs

539
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Speaker 9: from the White House, Heather. He couldn't be more ecstatic.

540
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 9: He's like the cat that's got the cream. But he

541
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Speaker 9: admits that he is a bit of a sucker when

542
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Speaker 9: it comes to American politics. And he went through the

543
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Speaker 9: Congress both sides yesterday and met a congressman and senators

544
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Speaker 9: last night or probably in the last few hours in Washington.

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Speaker 9: He was at the White House seventy anniversary dinner for NATO,

546
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Speaker 9: and he did have a chat to Joe Biden. I

547
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Speaker 9: hope Biden remembers because if Donald Trump does win the

548
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Speaker 9: White House, which is widely expected later this year. You

549
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Speaker 9: remember he's talked about ten percent tariffs on any imports

550
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Speaker 9: into the United States, so that could impact New Zealand greatly.

551
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Speaker 9: But look, at least he got to talk to the president.

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Speaker 9: He also got to meet Sir Kiir Starmer from the

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Speaker 9: from Great Britain and you know, that would have been,

554
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Speaker 9: I guess a good meeting for him, even if it

555
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Speaker 9: was a bit of a pulicide, because New Zealand it's

556
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Speaker 9: very important for us to be known by the British leadership.

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Speaker 9: And then jasind Diane's old mates, the French ded Duck

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Speaker 9: president Emanuel mccron. He met with him and the Canadian

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Speaker 9: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. So he did the round and

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Speaker 9: judging by his face, he's, like I said, a bit

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Speaker 9: like the captain's got the cream.

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Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 3: It turns out New Zealand First was pretty much mostly

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Speaker 3: right about what happened on that ferry.

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Speaker 9: Yes, it's fascinating, isn't it. The only thing they may

566
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Speaker 9: be wrong about is that somebody went off the bridge

567
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Speaker 9: for coffee that was in charge of the steering gear.

568
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Speaker 9: But we all have now seen the advisory that was

569
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Speaker 9: put out to masters what have you that run these fairies,

570
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Speaker 9: saying that you've got to understand how to work the

571
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Speaker 9: auto pilot, and it would seem that they didn't know

572
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Speaker 9: how to do it. The New Zealand First ex posting

573
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Speaker 9: said that someone put the auto pilot on, went off

574
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Speaker 9: for a coffee and couldn't turn it off in time

575
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Speaker 9: that someone came back, well it would seem that is

576
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Speaker 9: the case, but whether they went for coffee or whatever,

577
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Speaker 9: who knows. The Kiwi Rail general manager of inter Island

578
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Speaker 9: Operations Duncan Roy, he said there is no cover up,

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Speaker 9: although instant Peter says there is, and Peters is questioning

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Speaker 9: the need a bit like transpar and the toppling over

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Speaker 9: of the pylon recently. Header Peter's saying, why do we

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Speaker 9: have to spend time and money on a month long

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Speaker 9: investigation internal, I might say, into what happened on the ferry, Well,

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Speaker 9: it's as plain as the nose on your face.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Quite.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to them after five o'clock see

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Speaker 3: what we can find out. What do you make this

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Speaker 3: Ministerial Advisory Group on retail crime? I mean there is

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Speaker 3: You can criticize us for being just another working group ran.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, and look, I think the retailers in

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Speaker 9: this country have been through a hall of a time

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Speaker 9: and the government or officially they would put the loss

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Speaker 9: to retail at about a billion dollars. The retailers say

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Speaker 9: it's closer to two point six billion. You see Michael

596
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Speaker 9: Hill Jewelers closing down at various places, and they really

597
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Speaker 9: have been through a torrid time. But why have the

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Speaker 9: ministerial working group? Do we know what's sure, what's wrong

599
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Speaker 9: with people busting in and doing ram raids and.

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Speaker 2: What have you?

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Speaker 9: To retailer Sonny Kerschel, he's going to cheer the group,

602
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Speaker 9: but it's going to cost one point eight million dollars

603
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Speaker 9: for the next each of the next two years, which

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Speaker 9: seems a hell of a lot of money to put

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Speaker 9: into an advisory group. They're not there to take advice

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Speaker 9: from ministers, there to give the advice two ministers, So

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Speaker 9: you know, it does make you wonder why four to

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Speaker 9: five people on this advisory group that there will eventually

609
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Speaker 9: be are why it absolutely needed when the problems to

610
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Speaker 9: address this sort of issue have been now around for

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Speaker 9: some considerable time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very fair point, Thank you very much, appreciate. It's

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Speaker 3: very so for senior political correspondence coming up eight away

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Speaker 3: from five putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 11: Breakfast the Reserve banker's hinting headline inflation could return to

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Speaker 11: its three percent target within a matter of months.

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Speaker 5: Former Reserve Bank economists Michael Ridella, now, are you full

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Speaker 5: of confidence, not.

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Speaker 12: In the Reserve Bank or in the economy. I mean,

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Speaker 12: yesterday's statement was certainly a shift in the right direction,

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Speaker 12: but it was a real lurch.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 12: It's very, very different in tone from the statement they

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Speaker 12: brought out only six weeks ago, which was then talking

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Speaker 12: about possible rate hypes later this year and not even

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Speaker 12: beginning to cut into August next year. So you know,

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Speaker 12: it's all over the place, and in fact people aren't

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Speaker 12: rolling out now.

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Speaker 10: The possibility of cutting August.

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Speaker 2: It depends a.

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Speaker 12: Lot on what next week's SEPTI does. But he in

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Speaker 12: November seems like it's more Lee.

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Speaker 2: In the day.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Diggins on the mi casking breakfast back tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: six am with Jaguar on news.

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Speaker 3: Talks'd be five away from five US And I'm getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of texts along this line, hither, if the

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Speaker 3: fairy has autopilot, why would it be programmed to run aground?

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Speaker 3: They must not have put any way points into it,

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Speaker 3: so it should never have been allowed to be activated.

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Speaker 3: That's from Dave. What appears to have happened is that

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Speaker 3: the autopilot was put on in a place where it

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Speaker 3: was absolutely fine for the autopilot to be on and

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Speaker 3: it seems to have been working. Okay, that's the assumption. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: somebody accidentally pressed and execute button. So perhaps the execute

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Speaker 3: like perhaps the thing that was supposed to execute was

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Speaker 3: a right hand turn, and they pressed it accidentally early

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Speaker 3: and started right hand turning into the beach and they

650
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Speaker 3: couldn't get it off. That's what happened. So it wasn't

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Speaker 3: the autopilot that was taking it into the beach, it

652
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Speaker 3: was the execute button that was accidentally pressed anyway into islander.

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Speaker 3: Boss Duncan Roy's going to be with us just after

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Speaker 3: five so he can explain all of that to us.

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Speaker 3: Hot off the press from Air New Zealand. G String

656
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Speaker 3: lovers rejoice. Air New Zealand has added capacity to beach destinations.

657
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Speaker 3: Forget the new Plymouth swimming pool. Air New Zealand is

658
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Speaker 3: adding capacity to the Pacific so kiwis can enjoy a

659
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Speaker 3: cheeky adventure. I'm loving this from Air New Zealand. They

660
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Speaker 3: basically the whole point of the thing. It's just pr

661
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Speaker 3: isn't it. But good on them. So what it is

662
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Speaker 3: is from November to March they're going to add tens

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Speaker 3: of thousands of seats to the Pacific. There's Auckland, Salmour, Auckland, Nandy, Auckland, Tonga, Auckland, Rada, Tonga, Aukland, Tachet.

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Speaker 3: You get a whole bunch of extra seats going on there.

665
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Speaker 3: Forget the indoor aquatic centers and the petitions that come

666
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Speaker 3: with them. New Plymouth wire looking at you with more

667
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Speaker 3: seats the Pacific, It's time to escape to the beach

668
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Speaker 3: and the sunshine. Customers will be smiling, cheeked cheek with

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Speaker 3: these many seats available. This summer is all about being

670
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Speaker 3: a beach bum. Whether you're packing light or prefer full coverage.

671
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Speaker 3: The Pacific is calling the summer, So get cracking and

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Speaker 3: book now. How good? No, hell good?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: How good is it to have the old air New

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Speaker 3: Zealand back, the old cheeky Air New Zealand. I love

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Speaker 3: it so as a result of that, like that is

677
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Speaker 3: how easy it is to get on the show. All

678
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Speaker 3: you need is a bit of sense of humor. We

679
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Speaker 3: just canceled what we were going to do before and

680
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Speaker 3: we said you were making space for you at quarter

681
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: past five because we need all of the absolute bum

682
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: bum bum puns that we possibly can get, and it

683
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Speaker 3: gives us another opportunity to have a crack at New

684
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Speaker 3: Plymouth over that ridiculous situation. Heads up on the warehouse,

685
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Speaker 3: there are job cuts coming for the warehouse head office.

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Speaker 3: It's a big head office. Actually there's over a thousand

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Speaker 3: people who work there. So they're going to announce a

688
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Speaker 3: restructure next week. Media've got wind of it. Don't know

689
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Speaker 3: how many jobs are going to go. Just know that

690
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Speaker 3: the thing is going to happen. And I think shareholders

691
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Speaker 3: will be pleased about this because clearly some things need

692
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Speaker 3: to be cut in that place. I mean they posted

693
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Speaker 3: a twenty four million dollar loss for the six months

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Speaker 3: to January, already got rid of the chief executive and

695
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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of other people in the c suite,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's going to have to happen. Also a

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Speaker 3: sign of the economy. Thank you, Adrian or Inter Island

698
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Speaker 3: and next News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

700
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to Clan drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected a news talk as said, be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Back to the art's heady. Thanks to eleaked email,

704
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Speaker 3: we now know why the faery grounded. Autopilot was on

705
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Speaker 3: and the crew couldn't take it off because they didn't

706
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Speaker 3: know that they had to press the button down for

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Speaker 3: five seconds.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: The linked email was from inter Island. It was a

710
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Speaker 3: safety bulletin sent to masters and deck offices and it

711
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: went out last Friday until now. The only thing that

712
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Speaker 3: KiwiRail has really said publicly is that it's still investigating

713
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Speaker 3: the incident and Hue rails into Ryland. The general manager

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Speaker 3: is Duncan roy Hey, Duncan Hi, Heather, was the ferry

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Speaker 3: put on autopilot accidentally?

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Speaker 2: The fairy sales and autopilot. Occasionally that master is able

717
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Speaker 2: to choose when and where he does standard procedure, they

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Speaker 2: have it on autopilot for some and as the heart

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Speaker 2: of Master and picked and said yesterday, it was perfectly

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Speaker 2: appropriate for to be on autopilot in that part of

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Speaker 2: the sounds.

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Speaker 3: Yep on this occasion. Was it an.

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Speaker 2: Accident, sorry, an accident that it was on autopilot.

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Speaker 3: That it was put onto autopilot?

725
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Speaker 2: No things are put on autopilot deliberately.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: What we've got here, Heather, is there's an equivalent of

728
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Speaker 2: a maritime black box on a ship and that has

729
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Speaker 2: the technical data about what was happening at the time.

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Speaker 2: So we brought an International Express and had a look

731
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Speaker 2: at that and they've said that there was an execute

732
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Speaker 2: button that was pushed while it was an autopilot, which

733
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Speaker 2: caused the ship to turn to the right to start it.

734
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Speaker 2: And that's the what, So we know what the what is.

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Speaker 2: Now what we don't understand is the how or the why.

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Speaker 1: Get right down.

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Speaker 3: So it was supposed to be an autopilot, but the

738
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Speaker 3: execute button was accidentally pressed which caused it to turn.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. There was an execute button that was that

740
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: we know was pushed. We don't know why it was pushed,

741
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Speaker 2: and that's part of the investigation we're doing to find

742
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Speaker 2: out the how and the.

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Speaker 3: Why did the crew then have difficulty getting it off autopilot.

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Speaker 2: So that's the how and the why, Heather, and that's

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Speaker 2: what we're waiting for the investigation to find out.

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Speaker 3: What did you know? Because you will read it because

747
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Speaker 3: the bulletins.

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Speaker 2: And what we've got to do is we're going to

749
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Speaker 2: go through this formal investigation so that we do a

750
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Speaker 2: fair process to our people and we get the facts

751
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: so we know so we're not speculating the bulletin. I

752
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: know what the speculation was. I do know that the

753
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: button was pushed according to the data. And now we're

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Speaker 2: going to wait for the investigation to come out and

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Speaker 2: tell them.

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Speaker 3: The safety bulletin says that the team attempted to switch

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Speaker 3: back to steering mode hand steering mode, but was unable

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Speaker 3: to override the autopilot in time. Is that correct or not?

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Speaker 2: That is what is a sermation. We put that safety

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Speaker 2: bulletin out as part of good maritime practice to let

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Speaker 2: the rest of the fleet know.

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Speaker 3: So you put out that safety bulletin, did.

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Speaker 2: You yet that was released by.

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Speaker 3: So you put out the safety bulletin that said that

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Speaker 3: they were unable to override the autopilot in time. So

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Speaker 3: that is accurate.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's what we believe. But we're waiting for the

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Speaker 2: facts to come out from the in depth investigation. Okay,

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Speaker 2: because what you need to do with the safety bulletin

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Speaker 2: is a flash report to get it out to your

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Speaker 2: people so that they could be aware it's good maritime

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Speaker 2: practice and understand and time what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Did they have trouble getting it off autopilot because they

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Speaker 3: didn't realize they had to push the button down for

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Speaker 3: five seconds.

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Speaker 2: That's all part of the investigation that's on going.

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00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: Yes, but is that your understanding at this point in

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Speaker 3: time they didn't know they had to press it down

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Speaker 3: for five seconds.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm waiting for the investigation hither because I'm

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00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: not going to speculate, and we're waiting to have a

782
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Speaker 2: fair and equable process for the people that are involved

783
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Speaker 2: in this.

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Speaker 3: Was there somebody on that ship who knew how to

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Speaker 3: get it out of autopilot?

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Speaker 2: The people on that ship were qualified at the time,

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Speaker 2: And as I said here that this is speculation, we've

788
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Speaker 2: got to go through this.

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Speaker 3: Don't do This're dunken. Look, you guys look silly. If

790
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: there is a bi bulletin that's gone out which tells

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Speaker 3: people what's going on, and then you're sitting here on

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Speaker 3: the radio telling me you can't talk about it, you

793
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: look silly. So let's talk about it like adults. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Was there somebody on that ship who knew how to

795
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Speaker 3: get it out of autopilot? Or was there nobody on

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Speaker 3: that ship who knew?

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Speaker 2: Here that As I said, I'm going to be fair

798
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Speaker 2: to the people in the investigation, We're going to let

799
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Speaker 2: the process follow We've had the black box, which has

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Speaker 2: told us the fact, the fact that the button was pushed.

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Speaker 2: That's what we know. We'll wait for the rest of

802
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: the investigations to go on so that we know what

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: occurred factually the.

804
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Speaker 3: Person who knew how to get it out of autopilot?

805
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: Were they on the bridge with everybody else or had

806
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: they gone off for a coffee.

807
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Speaker 2: So there's a regulatory number of people that have to

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Speaker 2: be on the bridge at any one time, and especially

809
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: in coastal waters, and there's a master, a number two helmsman,

810
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: and someone observing, and we follow those regular regulatory requirements

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Speaker 2: without exception. And on that night, those people were on

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Speaker 2: the bridge, and.

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Speaker 3: Did any of them know how to get it out

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Speaker 3: of autopilot?

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Speaker 2: As I said hither, the facts will come out when

816
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: the investigation completes. But those people were part of the investigation,

817
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to speculate. We're going to have

818
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: a fair process. We're going to be follow the facts

819
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Speaker 2: and that will come out.

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Speaker 3: When did you guys realize enough to put that bulletin out?

821
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Speaker 2: The bulletin came out as standard maritime practice because we

822
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Speaker 2: wanted to get out to the fleet after the event,

823
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Speaker 2: so that the rest of the fleet knew what an

824
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: event and knew that the button had been pushed. As

825
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: you'll see in that bulletin, it says that this is

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Speaker 2: summation and that we'll have more to know when the

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Speaker 2: investigation finishes. The bulletin states.

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Speaker 3: The bulletin came out on July the fifth, which is

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Speaker 3: fully six days ago. How long before the bulletin did

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Speaker 3: you actually know what had really happened?

831
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Speaker 2: Well, the technicians came across from overseas. They're international technicians,

832
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: and as soon as we had the facts from the

833
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: black box, we put it out on the bulletin.

834
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Speaker 3: Okay, so you basically found out on July the fifth,

835
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Speaker 3: you found out six days ago.

836
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we had to bring the technicians across and

837
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Speaker 2: the tour.

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00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: Didn't you tell us when you put that bulletin out?

839
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Speaker 3: Why don't you tell the rest of us what had happened?

840
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: Because either we're going through the investigation, this is the

841
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: part we can't surmise. We've got to be.

842
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: Fair to come on you and I know what this

843
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: investigation is about, right. This investigation is just about giving

844
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: you guys a bit of time to be able to

845
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: come up with a pr strategy so you can say

846
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: you fixed everything. You don't look as ridiculous as you

847
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: do right now. Yah, mind it.

848
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: It's about our people here, it's about the process, and

849
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: it's about being fair to those people that are being

850
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: investigated now by two external investigators, the Transport Investigation Can

851
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: the Maritime New Zealand and our internal investigation. Most people

852
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: deserve the right to be able to go through the

853
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: process of that speculation and have a fear and equitable here.

854
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: How long is your inquiry going to take?

855
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: Our one?

856
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: Is?

857
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: We're going through it. I expected. I'll he's coming back

858
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Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: All right, look forward to talking to you. Duncan listen.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for coming on the show. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. That's Duncan Roy Inter Island A general manager.

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Speaker 1: Heather due for celis to Washington.

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Chris Luxon has just got to meet US

864
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Speaker 3: President Joe Biden. He's wrapped up a dinner at the

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Speaker 3: White House, which is of course attended by all NATO's allies,

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Speaker 3: heads estate and Jason Wolves is our political editor in Washington. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Jason good on, Good afternoon. He so do we know

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Speaker 3: how this came about, how did that? How long did

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Speaker 3: they chat for? Where did they chat? What happened?

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Speaker 13: Well, it was the White House banquet dinner thrown by

871
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Speaker 13: Joe Biden. So it started at roughly eight pm Washington time,

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Speaker 13: which is around mid day New Zealand time, and it

873
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Speaker 13: wrapped up a couple of hours later, and so we

874
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Speaker 13: probing journalists just wanted to get a little bit of

875
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Speaker 13: a insight as what happened. So we got a wee

876
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Speaker 13: statement from the Prime Minister saying who he met with

877
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Speaker 13: and briefly what he talked about. Of course, he met

878
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 13: with US President Joe Biden and the First Lady, and

879
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 13: he said he had a nice chat with the with

880
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Speaker 13: the President who expressed his love for New Zealand. He

881
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Speaker 13: also had a good chat with the newly elected British

882
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister Kiastama and he congratulated him on the election victory.

883
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Speaker 13: And then also interesting he interestingly he spoke with President.

884
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Speaker 3: Zelenski as well.

885
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Speaker 13: It didn't go into detail the statement as to what

886
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Speaker 13: they talked about, but it did go on to say

887
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Speaker 13: that he quote talked all things hobbit with the Prime

888
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 13: Minister of Italy, so quite a few different conversations going on.

889
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Speaker 3: It sounds like he's quite taken with her. I described

890
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 3: her as delightful. Yeah, is in Washington? Is Biden all

891
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: that anyone's talking about?

892
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 13: It is the only story that's happening here. And of

893
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 13: course the NATO summer was supposed to be all about

894
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 13: Russia's invasion of a Ukraine and some more aid going

895
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Speaker 13: that way. But of course this story about Joe Biden

896
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Speaker 13: and his if he's fit to run for president again

897
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 13: is the only story that people are talking about, more

898
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Speaker 13: so than if Donald Trump is somebody who should be

899
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Speaker 13: on the Republican ticket. And this morning it got to

900
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 13: this peak level of interest I think for the retail consumer,

901
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Speaker 13: with George Clooney penning a letter saying essentially, Joe Biden,

902
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 13: you should stand aside. Now, a lot of Americans might

903
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 13: have heard some some senators or some congress people that

904
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 13: they might never have heard of before say that Joe

905
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 13: Biden should step down. They would have seen the debates

906
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 13: and seen it for themselves. But given that George Clooney

907
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 13: is such a household name, I think this has pushed

908
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Speaker 13: it to a whole other level.

909
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Speaker 1: For the president.

910
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would actually agree with you on that. Jason,

911
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Jason Wall's newsalg ZIB's political editor

912
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Speaker 3: in Washington, sixteen past. Hey, by now you've probably heard

913
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Speaker 3: about byd Well. If you've heard about it, then now's

914
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: the time to buy one because the newest models on

915
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: the horizon, which means that the current model needs to

916
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: get out the door. And what that means for you

917
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 3: is there's never been a bit of time to drive

918
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: away in a byd EV. Now the current at O

919
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: three is now priced at just fifty one, nine hundred

920
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: and ninety dollars. Are you going to save up to

921
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars? And if you're not familiar with the

922
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: Bydato three, let me tell you this is all you

923
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 3: need to know. It's New Zealand's most awarded EV, which

924
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: tells you everything right. It's got a whopping range of

925
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Speaker 3: up to four hundred and twenty k's features an ultra

926
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Speaker 3: safe byd blade battery. And you're asking now what it's

927
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Speaker 3: going to cost to run? Well, running a Bydato three

928
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: is equal to paying only forty cents per liter of

929
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Speaker 3: petrol even with the road user charges factored. And so yep,

930
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Speaker 3: it is that good. This crazy runout price is only

931
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Speaker 3: while stocks last, so getting quick, don't miss out. Test

932
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 3: drive one for yourself at any bid dealer and see

933
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Speaker 3: for yourself how good these things really are. Heather, do

934
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Speaker 3: we have twenty past five?

935
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Speaker 14: Here?

936
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: The snap great grilling of this guy into islander looking

937
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: like chumpsy ain't fooling us? And there's more of that in.

938
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Speaker 3: New Zealand has weighed in on the G string at

939
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: the pool debate, telling Keywis to forget the new Plymouth

940
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Speaker 3: Pool in its petition and fly to the Pacific Islands instead.

941
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Speaker 3: And while here we go, they've just conveniently added tens

942
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: of thousands of seats this summer. The angerity is in

943
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: New Zealand's chief customer and sales officer and with us

944
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: Haleyan Hey, Heather, how are you? I'm well, thank you,

945
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: But you are making an assumption that the Pacific Islands

946
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Speaker 3: are going to be okay with the old G string,

947
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Speaker 3: aren't you.

948
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Speaker 2: Ah.

949
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 15: Look, we're just having a little bit of cheeky fun

950
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 15: and we're not going to try and offend anyone, but

951
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 15: we think it's a great way to highlight all of

952
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 15: the fabulous island destinations we have on the network.

953
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Speaker 3: Do you think, Omen, do you think that we have

954
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Speaker 3: got the money at the moment to be flying to

955
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Speaker 3: the Pacific given the situation with the economy. Is there

956
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: still some money out there?

957
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 14: Oh?

958
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 15: Well, our demand would suggest that people are still finding

959
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 15: ways to take that trip and have a holiday and

960
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 15: a breakaway. So yeah, look, I think there's some still

961
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 15: definitely a desire for people to travel.

962
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 3: Are you guys, Choker at the moment?

963
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 15: Oh, We've got some pretty heavy loads at the moment.

964
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Speaker 15: We're in the middle of the holiday period, so yeah,

965
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 15: there's plenty of people traveling around.

966
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: Are you guys seeing the same thing the House to

967
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: Travel is seeing at the moment? W Which is that

968
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Speaker 3: you're getting? I think it was House of Travel or

969
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: flight scence. I'm not sure, but either way, one of

970
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Speaker 3: them is seeing increased bookings in the school holidays and

971
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Speaker 3: a decreased booking during school term.

972
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Speaker 15: There's definitely some changes. I don't actually have those statistics

973
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 15: on me at the moment, Heather, but we do see

974
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Speaker 15: change travel patterns, and I think people really are booking

975
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Speaker 15: in line with what they can afford and when they've

976
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 15: got the time available to go away.

977
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: Leanne, are you going to the Pacific this summer.

978
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 15: I might make a cheeky trip to the Pacific this summer, Heather,

979
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 15: I might do that.

980
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: Packing your G string, well, I've had four kids.

981
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Speaker 15: So I'm not thinking anyone's wanting to see me in

982
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 15: a G string. I'm more of a full piece girl.

983
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Speaker 3: Got to be honest with you, mate, I'm with you.

984
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: Lean GERIZI in New Zealand, Chief Customer and sales officer. Yeah,

985
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 3: we're going to get to those texts about the inter

986
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: islandon just to take five to twenty two.

987
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan

988
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected a used talks.

989
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: It'd be Chris Jones BBC Rugby commentator is going to

990
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 3: be with us just after the news, talk us through

991
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 3: whether he thinks the English have God in them to

992
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: beat the all Blacks. This weekend is coming up five

993
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: to twenty five. We have to talk about the Reserve

994
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: Bank and that flip flop yesterday. Look, I think, reflecting

995
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: on it overnight, I think Adriana has lost a bit

996
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: of credibility here by lurching from one extreme to the other.

997
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: And what I mean by that, like it was quite

998
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: a big lurch. You know, in the space of six weeks.

999
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: Six weeks ago, he was threatening us with a possible

1000
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: rate hike, and then yesterday, six weeks later, he's gone

1001
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: to completely the other extreme and has basically indicated that

1002
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: the next move in either direction is down. Now, how

1003
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: can you justify that in the space of six weeks

1004
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: nothing has changed that much in the economy. I mean,

1005
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: it's not like we're undergoing volatility at the moment like

1006
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 3: we were during COVID, where literally things were changing from

1007
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: one day or one week to the next. The economy

1008
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: at the moment has only been headed in one direction

1009
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 3: for a very long time, which is down, and frankly

1010
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: so has inflation, which is down. So it's very hard

1011
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: to argue that in the space of six weeks there's

1012
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: a justification for swinging wildly from literally one end to

1013
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: the other end of the spectrum. Now I can't understand

1014
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: why he's doing this, because he's trying to do what

1015
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: many Reserve bank governors have done in the past, which

1016
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: tried to draw bone us into believing things right, and

1017
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: in his case, he's trying to jaw bone us into

1018
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: believing things would be getting worse with the interest rates,

1019
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: but it was not believable because even six weeks ago,

1020
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: if you cast your mind back, all the talk was

1021
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 3: that he was bluffing. And to that point, one economist

1022
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: said yesterday after the OCR announcement that nothing much had changed.

1023
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 3: Even though the Reserve Bank had gone from potential hikes

1024
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: to potential cuts, nothing much had changed, which indicates even

1025
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: that economists didn't believe him.

1026
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: Now.

1027
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: The problem with this, I think, is what it says

1028
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: about him, because I think we'd like to believe that

1029
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: the guy who has arguably the single biggest impact on

1030
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: our economy is a serious, credible, calm person, not a

1031
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: person who plays games and tries to gaslight businesses and consumers,

1032
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: interfering far worse than is actually possible. It's really hard

1033
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: to respect someone who plays games like this, especially to

1034
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: this extent, and I think he should be worried about

1035
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: this because it says a lot about his lost credibility

1036
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: that already six weeks ago hardly anyone believed him. It

1037
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: makes it very hard for him to bluff us in

1038
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: the future or try to scare us in the future.

1039
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 3: It's basically like this when Adrian All says in the

1040
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: future that he's going to do something. Are you actually

1041
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: going to believe him or are you just going to

1042
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: believe all the commentators who say that he doesn't mean it. No,

1043
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: I think that's not a great position for the Reserve

1044
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: Bank governor to have now put himself in.

1045
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy, Ellen, Heather, the guy from.

1046
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: The Into Islander probably belongs to the seamen's union. He's

1047
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: more interested in the company's employees than the shareholders and customers.

1048
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: That's what he wants you to That's what I think

1049
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: he wants you to think. Peter, I think he wants

1050
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: you to think that he can't answer the questions out

1051
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: of altruism for his employees. What about this? Did they

1052
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: train the employees pop properly? Did they actually tell the

1053
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: employees you got to press that button down for five seconds?

1054
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: As it?

1055
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: Possibly actually into Ireland's fault here that he's very shady

1056
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: about the truth. Here the great interview read the Into

1057
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: Islanders so pleased the ship and guy looked after the

1058
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: interest of his people, didn't throw them under the bus.

1059
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: I refer to my previous point here that this bloke

1060
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: should be put in for the CEO position, which is

1061
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: now vacant at Transpower. Well qualified quite here that why

1062
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 3: do you need to take cognition to tell you what happened?

1063
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 3: Just ask the Bridge team. I think they've already, Andy.

1064
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 3: I think it's clear they've already asked the Bridge team

1065
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: and they already know what happened, which is why they

1066
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: wrote the email on Friday. They just don't want to

1067
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: have to tell you what happened. It's just a petty

1068
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 3: we've already found out. Anyway, This is my prediction. When

1069
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: it finally comes out, they're just going to repeat what

1070
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: was in that email and we're just going to laugh

1071
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: about and play some clown music.

1072
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: Headline's next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather first. Heather

1073
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: duper c Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's get

1074
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: connected and news talk as they'd be.

1075
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 8: No funny.

1076
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 7: I'm a double shout of whiskey.

1077
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: There's a party because one.

1078
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 3: Of the trailing material was incorrect or someone had updated

1079
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 3: the software and the autopilot didn't work as it did, Steve,

1080
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: that is entirely possible. It is entire they did. They

1081
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: did a little update, didn't they on the ferry and

1082
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: it's possible they didn't actually tell the crew that you

1083
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: needed to press the button for five seconds to take

1084
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: the autopilot off, so you have to leave that open

1085
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: as an option. This is actually potentially interial unders fault.

1086
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: We will see at the end of the inquiry. Listen

1087
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Speaker 3: sin Lay's chair is going to be with us after

1088
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: six because man alive. They're going to be breathing a

1089
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 3: sigh of relief. They managed to get that support from

1090
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: the shareholders they needed to save the company or get

1091
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: you across the details. It's not the end of the matter.

1092
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: By the sales of things to get you across the

1093
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: details shortly and the huddle standing by the All Blacks

1094
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: in England name so. They have named their teams for

1095
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 3: the second Test match at Eden Park on Saturday. There's

1096
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: just one change for both teams. Finley Christie's going to

1097
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: start in the place of t J Perinado who's out

1098
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: with an injury, and Finn Baxter is going to start

1099
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: in the place of Joe Mahler, both again another one

1100
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: another injury sustaining last week's match. Chris Jones is a

1101
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 3: BBC rugby commentator and is with us now in the.

1102
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Speaker 11: Studio Hey, Chris, great to be here.

1103
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 3: Heather, how are you feeling confident?

1104
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 11: I think there's a degree of confidence because this England

1105
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 11: team has been on a good trajectory. You know that

1106
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 11: they struggled a year ago, got to the third place

1107
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 11: of the World Cup, then come the Six Nations Again,

1108
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 11: the start didn't look up too much and then ever

1109
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 11: since the midpoint of the Six Nations have really been

1110
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 11: been growing and they will have seen last weekend as

1111
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 11: a missed up oportunity. Their challenge now is to go right.

1112
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 11: They can go toe to toe with the All Blacks.

1113
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 11: There are areas to work on. Can they fix those

1114
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 11: because you know the All Blacks are going to be

1115
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 11: coming strong, especially at a place like head In Park.

1116
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1117
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely. What do you make you think you think that

1118
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: confident because of how they're performing. When you look at

1119
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: how the All Blacks are performing, what do you think?

1120
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: Well?

1121
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 11: I think it was really noticeable. The main emotion from

1122
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 11: Scott Robertson after the game was relief, wasn't it. It

1123
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 11: wasn't kind of ecstasy, it wasn't joy, It wasn't kind

1124
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 11: of unbridled happiness. It was just relief because he's been

1125
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 11: waiting for this job for so long, not just the

1126
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 11: kind of years with the Crusaders, but even the last

1127
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 11: sixteen months since he's been appointed.

1128
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 3: And you can't really.

1129
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 11: Start with the loss of the All Blacks coach, can't you.

1130
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 11: And he would have had it up against it because

1131
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 11: you know their preparation was only ten days England been

1132
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 11: in camp for longer, England looking settled, the All Blacks

1133
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 11: and a load of players not around since the World Cup.

1134
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 11: So they then played in eight months have felt like

1135
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 11: the chance for England to catch New Zealand cold, and

1136
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 11: they almost did so Robertson probably feels so relieved he's

1137
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 11: got that done.

1138
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: An extra week together.

1139
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 11: Really noticeable how both coaches have gone, Look, let's not

1140
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 11: mess around with the team selection. Of course Peranara and

1141
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 11: Marlin need to be replaced, but Robertson is thinking, not

1142
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 11: have much time make the one change he's got to make.

1143
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 11: Apart from that, it's just about getting those combinations, honing

1144
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 11: them and trying to get the Scott Robertson All Blacks

1145
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 11: way up and running.

1146
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 3: What is it about the English team that has become

1147
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: so difficult for the All Blacks lately? It feels like

1148
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: they they are harder to beat than they should be.

1149
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 11: I think that those are the operative words hard to

1150
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 11: beat and I think this England team has become hard

1151
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 11: to beat, and I think that's something Steve Borthwick, the coach,

1152
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 11: has been trying to drill in them for the last

1153
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 11: year eighteen months or so. I think it's to do

1154
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 11: with the defense, things to do with some of the

1155
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 11: types of players they've got now, you know, kind of

1156
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 11: out of nowhere. England have got a core of young

1157
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 11: guys that have really announced themselves on the international stage.

1158
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 11: You wouldn't have seen loads of them down here because

1159
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 11: it was mainly during the Six Nations. But guys like

1160
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 11: Channlaer Cunning himself is familiar because he knows New Zealand

1161
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 11: so well having lived here as a boy. Guys like

1162
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 11: many fair Bosa, George Martin at second row. There's a

1163
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 11: few players now who just started to look more and

1164
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 11: more comfortable at Test level, and the more comfortable to

1165
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 11: get the more experienced, to get them more chance they'll

1166
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 11: have a winning those kind of arm wrestlers. But all

1167
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 11: Steve Borthwick coach teams over the years have been really

1168
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 11: hard to beat, first and foremost and he's definitely trying

1169
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 11: to instill this in England team.

1170
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: What's you take on Raiser? Is he the one?

1171
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: Look?

1172
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: I think it was his time.

1173
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 11: I wouldn't say the whole process was handled that well,

1174
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 11: was it?

1175
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: You know?

1176
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 14: He was?

1177
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 11: I dare say there's been a few hours of air

1178
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 11: time on this station taken up talking about how it

1179
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 11: was all handled with kind of you know, it looked

1180
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 11: like Ian Foster was going to go in twenty twenty two,

1181
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 11: kind of getting the stay of execution, then being told

1182
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 11: you're not going to continue even if you win the

1183
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 11: World Cup, which he so only did a man. They

1184
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 11: got so close in that that final, But it's felt

1185
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 11: as if Roberson has been the coming man for years.

1186
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 11: It's so interesting he's not part of this, this lineage

1187
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 11: of all Blacks coaches that you've had with Sir Graham,

1188
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 11: Henry and Steve Hanson and Foster, all great mates, worked

1189
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 11: for each other, all a certain style, certain type of personality,

1190
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 11: done wonderful things. Robertson's different, isn't he. You know, He's

1191
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 11: got that kind of unique personality. The way he thinks

1192
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 11: and talks and answers questions very very different. So it's

1193
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 11: exciting for us to get to know someone new, but

1194
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 11: ultimate and All Blacks coach is judged the whitewashes, isn't

1195
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 11: he You know, he's not affod to.

1196
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: He can't afford to lose the first match. Can he

1197
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 3: afford to lose the second?

1198
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: No?

1199
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Speaker 3: I think I mean, I think he can.

1200
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Speaker 14: He can.

1201
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Speaker 11: I think that'd be I was going to say a

1202
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 11: degree of patients from the All Blacks fans, but I

1203
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 11: don't think. You know, it's not the most patient fan

1204
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 11: based on you guys demand success and understandably, so I

1205
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 11: think when he knows what's coming up with, you know,

1206
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 11: games against South Africa Rugby Championship tour at the end

1207
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 11: of the year, I think he saw this England series

1208
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 11: and probably thought, oh, that's a banana skin, that that's tricky.

1209
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 3: That's a bit of a tough.

1210
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 11: Series to get through, no time with the players having

1211
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 11: to deal with and you set up lots of experienced

1212
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 11: players overseas on not available new captain. So I think

1213
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 11: if he came away with two nil, regardless of how

1214
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 11: it comes about. And I know All Blacks fans want

1215
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 11: running rugby and triest in the end of the earth,

1216
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 11: but I think any too nil against an England team

1217
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 11: that have come down here with a real point to

1218
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 11: prove would be a really good result for Robertson to

1219
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 11: get that Regiene up and running.

1220
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: Chris, thank you, I really appreciate you. I hope you

1221
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: have a terrible knight on set.

1222
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure we will.

1223
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 11: I think I look either way, it's Testmach to Eden Park.

1224
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 11: We've loved O weekn aalk and we've loved us Day

1225
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 11: New Zealand, so let be going to have a good

1226
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 11: sign whatever, brilliant stuff.

1227
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: Thank you so much mate, go well. That's Chris Jones

1228
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: BBC Rugby commentator, nineteen away.

1229
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Speaker 1: From six the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty

1230
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: Exceptional marketing for every property on the huddle.

1231
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: With me this evening, we've got Claire Delord, journalist and

1232
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: Mark Sainsbury Men's health weak director and broadcaster. Hello are

1233
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: you too?

1234
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 16: Hello there?

1235
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 12: Thanks?

1236
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1237
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: Good?

1238
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 17: Thank you?

1239
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: Claire? What do you make of the inter Island? Are

1240
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: still pretending that they don't know what happened on the ferry?

1241
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: Oh?

1242
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 16: I think they know exactly what happened right, And I

1243
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 16: think they're also caught up in a process with a

1244
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 16: lot of lawyers, and I don't think that's going to

1245
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 16: surprise anyway that's what's going on. Well, of course, I

1246
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 16: mean if this is going to effect possibly somebody's employment,

1247
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 16: there will be backwards and forwards on that. So I

1248
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 16: can actually sort of understand why the delays. It's probably

1249
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 16: obvious to people that it's one of two things. It's

1250
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 16: either equipment error like the something broke down, yeah, or

1251
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 16: somebody didn't do the five sequipment that's right, And you

1252
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 16: know it'll down to did they know what they were doing?

1253
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 16: Were they present? You've just been reassured that everyone was

1254
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 16: present who needed to be present, where they're paying attention.

1255
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 16: I think the cup of coffee that New Zealand first

1256
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 16: threw into it is a little bit of a distraction.

1257
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 16: It doesn't matter why this lack of attention or this error,

1258
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 16: if that's what it is, happened, it happened. You've got

1259
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 16: to get to the bottom of it. I notice at

1260
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 16: the moment they say their sailings are going to be

1261
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 16: without the autopilot on at any point, So.

1262
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: It is possible there's an autopilot problem problem yep.

1263
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 16: But it's also very likely with lawyers involved, that people

1264
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 16: are looking towards the implications for their employment right saying.

1265
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 3: So that actually makes sense, doesn't it. But I mean,

1266
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: even if that's the case, they look so silly pretending

1267
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 3: that they don't know or obfuscating a nice.

1268
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 10: Job in that interview, Hitter, because you cut right to

1269
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 10: the point. You guys know what happened in the memo,

1270
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 10: someone pushed the button one of the handful of people

1271
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 10: on the bridge. They know what's happened, but they're sort

1272
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 10: of putting it off. And our natural justice and short ye,

1273
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 10: natural justice does have to take its part, but it

1274
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 10: makes it just makes them that you are quite right,

1275
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 10: they look stupid because they are sitting there just trying

1276
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 10: to deny something which is sort of they've already admitted

1277
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 10: and memos and various other things.

1278
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 18: That just makes some excusees.

1279
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 16: They're not actually denying what happened, but they're not going

1280
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 16: they're not attributing it to any particular thing at the moment,

1281
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 16: because as I say, I'm pretty sure that there'll be

1282
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 16: lawyers over this.

1283
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: They are avoiding answering some questions though, aren't they right?

1284
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 7: Of course, the.

1285
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 10: Timing header, I mean, you know this is the fairies

1286
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 10: have been a sort of a thing for New Zealand.

1287
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: First, remember there was there was Yeah, they came up

1288
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: with it.

1289
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 10: They raised in the house about the propeller falling off

1290
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 10: and the rudder doing this. There is something a connection.

1291
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 12: So this was like you just could not believe it.

1292
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 10: Winston's acting Prime minister.

1293
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: They get a tip.

1294
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 10: Off when I'm a fairy in you know the Kiwi

1295
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 10: rail just must.

1296
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 12: Have been thinking, oh my god, this is this is

1297
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 12: the night.

1298
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: It's such andication for Winston.

1299
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 16: It's not as first Rodio, no the fairies either.

1300
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, guys, we'll take a quick break

1301
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: and then we'll come back very shortly. It's coming up

1302
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 3: Get back of the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and clear delor

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Speaker 3: okay Saints o Luxon. Have you seen the photos of

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Speaker 3: him at the White House with hob nobbing with all

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Speaker 3: the other world leaders and how absolutely stoked he is.

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Speaker 9: Oh that's exactly. Look that's.

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Speaker 10: Make I was looking at the photos. He looks so

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Speaker 10: excited having the best day. Oh it is, it is.

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Speaker 10: It is really interesting. So because yeah, it's interesting. I'm

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Speaker 10: talking a few people up here the last couple of

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Speaker 10: days and sort of, you know, you know the thing

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Speaker 10: ivers common say with the sea in the B list

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Speaker 10: and that of thing. There's a little bit of smartest

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Speaker 10: guy in the room creeping and apparently, but he said

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Speaker 10: loving the job.

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Speaker 3: Yep, what do you think there? I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: this is for somebody who is a student of American politics.

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Speaker 3: This is like the moment, this is his dreams come true.

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Speaker 16: He's he's on the fringes of the A listers. And

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Speaker 16: you know, when Joe Biden says he loves New Zealand,

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Speaker 16: I bet he's He's told everyone he loves the country.

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Speaker 3: Whatever it is, I don't remember, you know.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it is really good that he's there. He's

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Speaker 16: getting a little bit of FaceTime. If it was me,

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Speaker 16: I'd been trying to be really cool, like yeah, sure

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Speaker 16: I belong here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: But with him, it's sort of.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, himself in the side of the balcony,

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Speaker 3: shot behind I don't know, the Japanese Prime Minister or

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Speaker 3: something in lot of Mazelenski, and he's used the tiniest

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Speaker 3: bit of space to make sure he gets in that

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Speaker 3: photo saying, so how long do you give Biden before

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Speaker 3: he's out?

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Speaker 10: Oh look, you know I watched that. When I watched

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Speaker 10: that debate, you know, I think it was the same

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Speaker 10: for all of us, no matter we your politics. Like

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Speaker 10: a minute and a half and you squatted a dween

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Speaker 10: watching a car crash, and it's just got worse and worse.

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Speaker 10: And I mean, George Clooney must be the biggest donor

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Speaker 10: to the Democrats. I mean, he's saying to him, you know,

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Speaker 10: I love this guy. You got to go, but oh

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Speaker 10: God help me. The message is not getting through. And

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Speaker 10: I can understand if you'd spent your entire life, Heather,

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Speaker 10: like he has essentially in public service in the Senate,

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Speaker 10: vice president president, you know, you start thinking about your legacy.

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Speaker 10: I'm not going to resign and destroy my records sort

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Speaker 10: of thing, you know, which which is understandable, but it's

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Speaker 10: just wrong.

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Speaker 3: I suspect clear that the Clooney editorial is going to

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Speaker 3: be the thing that tips him.

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 16: And also Nancy Pelosi, who barely coded language, was saying,

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Speaker 16: you know, it's time to make up your mind, and

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Speaker 16: she wasn't sort of saying one way or the other.

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Speaker 16: And I think that's actually pretty sad. You talk about legacy,

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Speaker 16: and I think his legacy now is going to be

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Speaker 16: quite tainted if he insists on hanging on until he

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Speaker 16: is prized out of the job. Because you know, fundamentally,

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Speaker 16: that debate showed a good person looking very bad and

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Speaker 16: somebody who I consider to be a bad person looking

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Speaker 16: better than he should. Yes, and it's too important that

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Speaker 16: right now. So I just think he would be well

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Speaker 16: advised to take the advice of George Clooney, who I

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Speaker 16: think was pretty brave, because you know, if he's got

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Speaker 16: a personal friendship that will now be gone.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he was quite cunning though, because he also said, look,

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Speaker 10: and if we go this way, there'd be more money

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Speaker 10: for the other campaigns.

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Speaker 16: But also what a dream come true? You know, Vladimir

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Speaker 16: Zelenski was a comedian who became president. Maybe George could

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Speaker 16: be the actor who becomes president.

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Speaker 3: Ronald Ray, I mean, would that not be a dream? Yes,

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Speaker 3: the free world? So even you would be into that

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Speaker 3: hot bab running the free world?

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Speaker 10: Right, Oh, look, like I think I think it would

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Speaker 10: be fantastic. Although the other thing I saw the one

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Speaker 10: of the other poles in the Shallow Bama if she

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Speaker 10: stood a shoean she would.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why she.

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Speaker 16: Isn't a mile Clooney ought to be Ashuran, but she's

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Speaker 16: probably bright enough think, yeah, I will stick with very

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Speaker 16: difficult dest spots that I'm taking cases against all over

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Speaker 16: the world.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, what do you think saying zo of spending one

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Speaker 3: hundred and ten thousand dollars on fifteen bikes for kay

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Speaker 3: of order tenants?

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Speaker 10: Look, I saw it, and it's one of those classic

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Speaker 10: ones when you looked at you thought this is just nuts.

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Speaker 10: The funny thing is I can sort of where I

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Speaker 10: lived the building Cryinger order settlements, settlement, so building projects

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Speaker 10: and things sothough one of them has just been ditched.

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Speaker 10: I said it's too expense. So it's an empty lot,

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Speaker 10: and there's a big issue over when they build them.

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Speaker 10: They'll build forty apartments and they're fourteen car packs. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 10: you know, and all the neighbors are going, well, yeah,

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Speaker 10: so where the rest of the cars going over the street.

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Speaker 10: So I can sort of understand why they think, Okay,

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Speaker 10: let's try and give them something different and sort of

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Speaker 10: you know, cycling. It's all sort of gung ho and

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Speaker 10: this is the way to go, and e bikes and

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Speaker 10: everything like that. But again it's the delivery, so it

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Speaker 10: just didn't quite work out the way it shouldn't. You know,

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Speaker 10: some people never got a look and they've got vandalized.

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Speaker 10: So I think it was built with good intentions, you know,

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Speaker 10: but sometimes those good intentions.

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Speaker 3: You see Claire's face right now, Clear put your face

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Speaker 3: into words, because you are not loving this.

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Speaker 16: Well, you know the intention.

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Speaker 3: It was a pilot.

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Speaker 16: It was to roll it art elsewhere it worked, So

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Speaker 16: what was that going to cost? And you know it

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Speaker 16: was going to be very expensive. And then as somebody

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Speaker 16: who's just had the very bike stolen, I can assure

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Speaker 16: you they're pretty hot property.

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Speaker 11: And I am.

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Speaker 16: I am extremely impressed. I'm not one of your neighbors,

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Speaker 16: thank goodness.

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Speaker 3: How much did you spend on your e bike? By

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Speaker 3: the way, well I was.

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Speaker 16: An earlier doctor. No, actually I went for the bottom

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Speaker 16: of the range.

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Speaker 3: And I can't tell you now because I'm so forgotten.

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Speaker 16: I've forgotten. I need to get I need to get

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Speaker 16: it up. I should be running the free world.

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Speaker 3: Right guys, Thank you very much, really appreciated its Mirke

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Speaker 3: Sainsbury Men's Health Week director and broadcaster and Clear Delord journalist.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: Speaker on the iHeart app and in your car on

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Speaker 1: your drive home. Heather duplic allan drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News talk as the B.

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Speaker 3: Five away from six. Listen, I'll get you across what's

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Speaker 3: going on with Sinlay really quickly before we talk to

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Speaker 3: them after six o'clock. They managed to get the vote

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Speaker 3: across today at two o'clock right, and this is the

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Speaker 3: vote that basically saves the company because the shareholders have

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Speaker 3: agreed that they can take one hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 3: dollar loan from Bright Dairy, which is the Chinese company.

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Speaker 3: It's got a thirty nine percent stake. That means that

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Speaker 3: Sinlay will be able to pay their bankers on Monday.

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Speaker 3: It means they're not going to go into liquidation. Seems

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Speaker 3: to be that what tip the balance today was A

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Speaker 3: two because A two declared this morning. A two is

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Speaker 3: one of their bigger shareholders with about twenty percent. A

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Speaker 3: two declared this morning it would vote for the deal.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like A two waited till the last minute because

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Speaker 3: it was still negotiating with Sinlay because it has concerns

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Speaker 3: that the loan deal now leads to a capital raise

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Speaker 3: and the implications of the capital rays for a two.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna have a chat to the chair of

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Speaker 3: Sinlay to six o'clock. He's going to be thus shortly,

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Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi. So, as Claire was just mentioning before, it's

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Speaker 3: not just the George Clooney editorial, and if you haven't

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Speaker 3: got yourself across this, I will read you some of

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Speaker 3: it in the next half hour. It's not just that

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Speaker 3: that's done damage to Joe Biden today. It's all so

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Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi. She is by far and away the most

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Speaker 3: senior Democrat to sort of cut Joe Biden loose. She

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Speaker 3: didn't say it out right, but she basically said, just

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Speaker 3: give him a break, let him deal with NATO first.

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Speaker 17: I want him to do whatever he decides to do,

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Speaker 17: and that's the way it is. Whatever he decides we

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Speaker 17: go with. I think it's really important and I would

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Speaker 17: hope everyone would join in. She'd let him deal with

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Speaker 17: this NATO conference. This is a very big job.

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Speaker 3: And then she said if he can't handle NATO, then

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about it again.

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Speaker 17: And I've said everyone, let's just hold off whatever you're thinking.

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Speaker 17: Either tell somebody privately, but you don't have to put

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Speaker 17: that out on the table until we see how we

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Speaker 17: go this week.

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Speaker 3: So what she means by this week is the NATO

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Speaker 3: and the NATO ends. The NATO summit ends tomorrow, so

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Speaker 3: it's basically tomorrow is the last free day. By the

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Speaker 3: looks of things, Friday is the last free day Biden

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Speaker 3: has of kind of being able to breathe and just

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Speaker 3: do the things. And the pressure appears that it's going

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Speaker 3: to be coming on this weekend. So pretty much any

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Speaker 3: day from Saturday Sunday onwards is the day that Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden is probably going to have to announce that he's out.

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Speaker 3: Because he's out. I mean he's out now right that

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Speaker 3: he has not done enough to be able to rescue himself. Heather,

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Speaker 3: good on you for trying with the inter Islander guy

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Speaker 3: as a clown music time. Why I almost press the

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Speaker 3: clown music button. I've got some I've got some options

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Speaker 3: for you. We'll run through some options later, we'll change

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Speaker 3: the change the clown music. We'll see what we've got.

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Speaker 1: Cause you've been track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: With the business hour, with hither duplicy Allen and my

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Speaker 1: Hr on News Talks at me Evening.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in the next hour, Sam Dickie's going to

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Speaker 3: talk us through mass the card and how it's been

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Speaker 3: influenced by a potential looming economic slowdown in the US.

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan on the good news of the food price

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Speaker 3: inflation front. I'll run you through that also, Ruenda duncleman

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Speaker 3: Enda Brady. Before this hour is out seven past six now.

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Speaker 3: Dairy company Sinlay's shareholders have approved the one hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty million dollar loan to keep the business afloat. This

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Speaker 3: means they avoid liquidation. The load has been provided by

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Speaker 3: Chinese firm Bright Dairy, which owns thirty nine percent of Sinlay.

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Speaker 3: Sinley's second biggest shareholder, A two Milk, broke its silence

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Speaker 3: this morning and announced at the very last minute that

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Speaker 3: it would vote in favor of the loan. George Adams

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Speaker 3: George Adams is Sinlay's chair. Hey George, hell about it?

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Speaker 3: You relieved?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I am absolutely How close was the vote?

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Speaker 14: It wasn't toasted all. Actually we had the ninety nine

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Speaker 14: point six percent of our shaholders vuilding in favor.

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Speaker 2: So why would say that's a landslide.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a lot more convincing than it was

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Speaker 3: suggested that it was going to be right because there

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Speaker 3: were a lot of minor shareholders who were complaining about

1517
01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 3: this in the days leading.

1518
01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: Up to it.

1519
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 14: Funny enough, I say that might have been the kiss.

1520
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 14: But yet when it come down to it, I would

1521
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 14: call that overwhelming support from our actually from our broad

1522
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 14: shareholder base, which was fantastic.

1523
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 3: Why did a TOO leave it to the eleventh hour

1524
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 3: to announce their decision to vote in favor?

1525
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I really don't know. I really don't know.

1526
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 14: They have obviously got their own board, their own shareholders

1527
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 14: to consider, so I think that's really a matter for them.

1528
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 3: Hell do you think it has nothing to do with

1529
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 3: the fact that it's been in discussions with Sinlay to

1530
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: the last minute.

1531
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 14: I don't think so. But again, as I said, that

1532
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 14: will be a question for them.

1533
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: They have some concerns around the equity raise, don't they.

1534
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 14: They haven't read those directly, but if they do, we'll

1535
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 14: certainly try and make sure that we deliberate with those

1536
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 14: and arrive at a mutually satisfactory outcome.

1537
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 3: Because a TOO has said publicly the discussions relate to

1538
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 3: Sinlay's broader recapitalization plan, which includes the sharehold alone as

1539
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 3: well as Sinlay's proposed equity raising. So they sound like

1540
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 3: they're worried about it possibly possible. What are they worried about,

1541
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 3: No idea, No, you not think that The answer is

1542
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: that they're worried about the dilution of their shareholding.

1543
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 14: I would say that could be one of those things.

1544
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 14: But ultimately, we've got to we've got to deliver a

1545
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 14: significant equity areas to rescue this business, and so we

1546
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 14: will be making sure that whatever we do is refer

1547
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 14: to all shareholders.

1548
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, is it possible that they can retain their

1549
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 3: stake in that equity share in that capital raise.

1550
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 14: Of course, of course it is.

1551
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 3: It's not going to simply favor Bright Dairy.

1552
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 14: Look, ultimately, we haven't decided anything at this stage as

1553
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 14: far as the equerias is concerned. But I would be

1554
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 14: extraordinarily on ways to try and do an equerias of

1555
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 14: this skill without involving our largest shareholders.

1556
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about the minor shareholders, Because this is the

1557
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: thing that was being raised in the last few days,

1558
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: is that share some shareholders reckon they would have actually

1559
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 3: come out of a liquidation better than they would add

1560
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 3: of this which includes a capital raise, because of how

1561
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 3: much it's going to water down their equity.

1562
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: Look, that's I haven't heard that view basically.

1563
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 14: But look, I imagine that when we do equal is

1564
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 14: in the next month or so, we have to go

1565
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 14: through an independent report, an independent valuation to make sure

1566
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 14: the job that we're doing for our shareholders makes sense

1567
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 14: and delivers them value.

1568
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: So we will ensure that we are doing that.

1569
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 3: They're in a tough position, aren't they, George, Because if

1570
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 3: they want to be able to hold onto their stake

1571
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 3: the same steak, they have to check a whole lot

1572
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 3: of money in and I've already lost a lot, haven't

1573
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 3: they on this business?

1574
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, it depends.

1575
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 14: I guess when you came in, he bought your shares

1576
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 14: about ten minutes ago. You just admit fifty percent. So

1577
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 14: I mean, but ultimately, I'm very mindful that we've got

1578
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 14: a group of minority shareholders who represent about forty percent

1579
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 14: of or register that we have to say the businesses

1580
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 14: has not performed for so I'm acute to you.

1581
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 10: Aware of them.

1582
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 3: So how are we going to get this business performing?

1583
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 14: Oh, that's the thing that I talked about today in

1584
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 14: terms of really a getting it deliveraged, be getting it

1585
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 14: performing again and so making sure that all of the

1586
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 14: assets that we have, including our North Island assets, all

1587
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 14: performed for the shareholders. So we've got a very clear

1588
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 14: plan to do that.

1589
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: How confident are you can do it one hundred percent?

1590
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 7: Well?

1591
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 3: I like that, Thank you very much, George appreciated as

1592
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 3: George Adams, the sim Lay Chair. The big inflation news

1593
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 3: today is that the annual food prices have fallen for

1594
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 3: the first time in six years. It's not massive, zero

1595
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 3: point three percent, but listen, it's been going up for

1596
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 3: five years. So the fact that it's come back for

1597
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 3: one year is something I'm going to talk to Liam

1598
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 3: dan about that shortly. Hither, I wouldn't give much credence

1599
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 3: to what Nancy Pelosi says. She's also an eighty four

1600
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: year old fossil full of full of silicone and botox,

1601
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: and if you listen to her, I think she's one

1602
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 3: sandwich short of a picnic. That's from Trevor. Listen. The

1603
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 3: problem with Joe Biden is not his age, right, what

1604
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 3: is he eighty one? I know heaps of eighty one

1605
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 3: year old eighty five year old. Like frankly, I know,

1606
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 3: I think a ninety three year old who is perfectly

1607
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 3: capable up upstairs. It's not the age. It's the Parkinson's

1608
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 3: or the whatever is going on there. It's something that

1609
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 3: it's a thing that can happen to younger people, can

1610
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 3: happen to older people. He's got a thing, right, it's

1611
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 3: not his age, and I feel like, I feel like

1612
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to get into ages. And I really

1613
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 3: think that's unfair. Considering yourself. Admonished, Trevor, listen, just on

1614
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 3: my little thing that I've got with the Reserve Bank.

1615
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 3: I've got more for you on the Reserve Bank.

1616
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

1617
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 3: I find this extraordinary. Was pointed out today by Michael

1618
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: Riddell on his blog site Croaking Cassandra that the Reserve

1619
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 3: Bank's chief economist, Paul Conway is currently on leave. I

1620
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 3: find that extraordinary because presumably here's the guy, as as

1621
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 3: Michael Riddell says, here is the guy who was presumably

1622
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 3: primarily responsible for sets of forecasts and economic analysis that

1623
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: goes into the decision making by the Reserve Bank. Decision

1624
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 3: making by the way, when it reflects that as it

1625
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 3: pertains to the official cash rate, which is so important

1626
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 3: to what happens in our lives.

1627
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 14: Right.

1628
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 3: They have got to get that call right. They have

1629
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 3: got to nail it because businesses will go under if

1630
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 3: they don't. People will lose their houses if they don't.

1631
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 3: The economy will be tipped into recession if they don't.

1632
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 3: I think all of these things are happening because they're

1633
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 3: making the mistakes anyway. Now they only do this seven

1634
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 3: times a year. Is it not possible that Paul could

1635
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 3: have scheduled his annual leave another time, not one of

1636
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 3: these times, when they seven times a year have to

1637
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: do this. Could he not have done his annual leave

1638
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 3: afterwards or like after the last one or something. But

1639
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 3: it seems to me extraordinary. If you only actually have

1640
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 3: to do something seven times a year, like the big thing,

1641
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 3: the big big thing that you do, you only have

1642
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: to do it seven times a year, then surely you're

1643
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: going to be there for the seven times a year.

1644
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 3: It's not like we're asking you to be there fifty

1645
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 3: two times. Is not like we're asking you to be

1646
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 3: there three hundred and sixty five times, just seven times.

1647
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 3: Take your annual holiday some other time. That to me,

1648
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 3: I think that's alarming. That's alarming to me about their

1649
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 3: attitude towards how serious those decisions are, and certainly how

1650
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: serious I feel they are. They obviously don't she He's

1651
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: on leave six fourteen.

1652
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic

1653
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: Allen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

1654
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on news talks.

1655
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: Edb Rowena Duncan is going to be with us very

1656
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 3: shortly in for Jamie McKay obviously right now. It's coming

1657
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: up seventeen past six now, and newal food prices have dropped,

1658
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 3: as I was telling you, for the first time in

1659
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 3: six years, which is fantastic, and the degree decrease was

1660
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: driven by lower prices for tomatoes, cheese and potatoes. Liam

1661
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 3: dan is The Herald's Business editor at large and.

1662
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 4: With us now Alim good A.

1663
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: Heather, how big is this.

1664
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 3: In terms of the factoring that the decision making for

1665
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank, this particular set of data.

1666
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 10: Well, it's a subset, I guess, so it's not as

1667
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 10: big as what we get next Wednesday. So what we

1668
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 10: got today now, I think we're all learning about you.

1669
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 10: You know, people know the difference now non tradable and tradable.

1670
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 10: You've got your your domestic inflation and your stuff that

1671
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 10: comes in from imported prices and so on, and so

1672
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 10: the Reserve Bank's worried about the non tradable stuff. There's

1673
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 10: a lot of tradable stuff in here, so we knew

1674
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 10: it was coming off. We knew, you know, after the

1675
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 10: cyclones of last year, that fruit and veg was going

1676
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 10: to look a lot better. Cheese prices are looking pretty

1677
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 10: good in the supermarket right now, which you know, ironically

1678
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 10: is not great for the economy because you'll probably hear

1679
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 10: a bit later that's not good for the farmers. But

1680
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 10: so you know, we're seeing that stuff. Petrol was down

1681
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 10: across the year.

1682
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 2: That's good.

1683
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 10: But what the Reserve Bank really needs to see is

1684
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 10: the service sect, the rates, the insurance, all that non

1685
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 10: tradable stuff, and we get most of that next week

1686
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 10: in the full CPI inflation data. So that's when we'd

1687
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 10: you know, possibly get some numbers that might justify the

1688
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 10: kind of sort of optimistic turn we've seen in the

1689
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 10: last twenty four hours or so.

1690
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 3: So the reason it's come back from largely is fruit

1691
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: and veggies down sixteen percent, but then on the other side,

1692
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 3: olive oil has it a massive price surge. One leader

1693
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 3: is up nearly fifty percent to twenty bucks. Has your

1694
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: family switched away? Have you guys gone rape seed oil yet?

1695
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: Good?

1696
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 19: Good?

1697
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 10: Good point. I've been talking about that. The team go

1698
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 10: with them, Yeah, the missus go with it.

1699
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 19: Yeah.

1700
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 10: Well no, actually I did the cooking, so but the

1701
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 10: team at work, you know, go with the cheaper oil,

1702
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 10: put a splash of extra virgin, and then you've you've

1703
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 10: kind of got yourself a cheap olive oil substitute. Well,

1704
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 10: I don't know if it's a fact. I just made

1705
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 10: it up, but it seems to work. I mean, you know, olive,

1706
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 10: the extra virgin's got all the flavor, and it's priced,

1707
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 10: it's slightly more expensive, but you use a tiny bit

1708
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 10: of that with some cheaper, cheaper oils. But you know,

1709
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 10: that's crazy. That's down to you know, that's down to

1710
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 10: what's what's happened in Spain and Italy and it's it's

1711
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 10: one of those shocks, and it's an interesting shot because

1712
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 10: it's one of those things that reminds us that we

1713
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 10: need to get our own domestic inflation down because we

1714
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 10: have no control over the stuff that goes on around

1715
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 10: the world. You know, we could see petrol prices spike again.

1716
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 10: Something bad could or probably will happen in the world

1717
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 10: in the next year or so. So you know, we

1718
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 10: can't rely on just you know, global prices going our way.

1719
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 10: We've kind of got to get it under control in

1720
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 10: New Zealand and yeah, hopefully we're nearly there.

1721
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1722
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: Now, I know what you're going to say, Liam, You're

1723
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 3: going to say, hither you always talk smack about Adrian

1724
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 3: or but Liam, this flip flop is crediblity damaging, isn't it.

1725
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I thought about this. I mean, look, I

1726
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 10: was a little confused like everyone about the September you know,

1727
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 10: that September forecast, and I guess it was trying to

1728
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 10: talk tough to you know, to get put the fear

1729
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 10: of God, I get into everyone in the economy and

1730
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Speaker 10: it kind of worked, and maybe it works too well.

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Speaker 10: But look, it's all a bit of a strategic game,

1732
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 10: all the talking and speculating and what the markets do.

1733
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 10: In the end, you've got to look at the results.

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01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 10: And so, okay, there's a fair bit of criticism for

1735
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 10: inflation going too high. That's that's one thing. But if

1736
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 10: you can get inflation back in its box by the

1737
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 10: end of the year, that's that's a result. So yeah,

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 10: you know why what they played it really tough and

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 10: then they've softened it. No one they were going to

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01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 10: it's the problem, no no, no one, No one believed

1741
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 10: it was.

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01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: Going so they didn't have credibility. So basically you agree

1743
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 3: with me they didn't have credibility.

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01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's part of the game. I don't

1745
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 10: know if it's I don't know if that you know,

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01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 10: like again, what what counts is the inflation. If you're

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01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 10: going to argue the credibility line, I would say the

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01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 10: most important.

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01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: Thing is the inflation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is a fair argument that.

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Speaker 10: Is around what happened over the last year and a half.

1752
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 10: I mean, you can talk about the global context and

1753
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 10: all that sort of stuff, but it was well outside

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01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:43,919
Speaker 10: the box.

1755
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 10: But can they get it back down, that will be

1757
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 10: there will be I mean, I think that will be

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01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 10: a victory if they can get it back down this

1759
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 10: year and they can keep unemployment under five something like that,

1760
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 10: five point three you know, yep, But that's that's me.

1761
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 10: You're going to have an opinion That's that's why it's.

1762
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: Allowed on opinion and I appreciate that your opinion is

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 3: a positive opinion.

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Speaker 7: Liam.

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Speaker 14: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan, the Herald's Business editor at large. Listen one

1767
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 3: News is reporting that remember that independent advisory group that

1768
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 3: was set up by Nikola Willison, those guys when they

1769
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 3: canceled the i rex project and they canceled with the

1770
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 3: fairies and stuff, and they set up this group and

1771
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 3: they were like, what do we do now? What fairies

1772
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 3: do we buy? Apparently that advisory group has recommended to

1773
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,839
Speaker 3: ministers that Kiwi Rail no longer run the kick straight fairies.

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 3: Listen to me, this government is going to break kei

1775
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: We Rail up. They are going to take kei We

1776
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 3: Rail and let them run the rail, and they are

1777
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 3: going to set up a separate entity to run the fairies.

1778
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 3: You heard it here first and this is not speculation.

1779
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 3: I have been told this six twenty two.

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01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: Your Rural report on the Heather duper see Alan Drive

1781
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest.

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 3: Beef and lamb heather re Adrian Or I'm not sure

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: that those who are going broken the economy are enjoying

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01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 3: the game. The problem is that these people are paid

1785
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and thus so

1786
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 3: far off out of touch with the grief on the

1787
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 3: ground that exactly that was exactly my point an hour ago.

1788
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I find it hard to respect

1789
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 3: somebody playing a game with the economy, and what you

1790
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 3: want is somebody serious, rational and calm. Six twenty five

1791
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 3: are Awena Duncan of the countries with us right now?

1792
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 3: Hey roight, hey have so the grand finals knocked off

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01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 3: for the Young Farmers of the Year And what are

1794
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 3: you picking?

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01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, honestly, I don't know which of the seven regional

1796
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 20: finalists are coming into this as a hot favorite. I've

1797
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 20: picked it before in previous years. This year I'm not

1798
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 20: prepared to put my name behind any of their names.

1799
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 20: But honestly, a great bunch of finalists. But yet got

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Speaker 20: Underwear and Claudlin's today. The seven main finalists in the

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Speaker 20: FMG Young Farmer of the Year, they had there the

1802
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 20: paper day, you know, when they go through all the

1803
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 20: technical kind of side of things. They'll have their practical

1804
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 20: day tomorrow. But we had some of the other contestants

1805
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 20: from Young Farmers clubs around the country. They got underway today.

1806
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 20: They were doing things like claybird shooting. It just seemed

1807
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 20: like a bunch of fun there. We've also got kids

1808
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 20: in the Agritines underway as well, and then it all

1809
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 20: culminates on Saturday evening from six o'clock, so they're going

1810
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 20: head to head with the All Blacks Heather in terms

1811
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 20: of entertainment that evening. You can follow along on the

1812
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 20: live stream, which I'll be doing from home as well.

1813
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 20: But it's just great that it's come around again. We've

1814
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 20: had a wonderful twelve months with Emma Pool as the

1815
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Speaker 20: first female winner of the Young Farmer Contest in over

1816
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Speaker 20: fifty years. I think we're in the fifty sixty year

1817
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Speaker 20: this year of the contest, and she's done a magnificent

1818
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Speaker 20: job representing farming over the past twelve months. She'll be

1819
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 20: sad to hand over the cloak of knowledge on Saturday night.

1820
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet. Hey, how's it going with that chap

1821
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 3: who's rowing across the cookstraight?

1822
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Speaker 2: Oh?

1823
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 20: Isn't he amazing? Seventy six year old Jamie Strang managed

1824
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 20: to make it across cook Strait made it across there

1825
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 20: in a quicker time than a lot of people thought.

1826
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Speaker 20: He has now raised nearly three and a half grand

1827
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Speaker 20: for Farmstrong. And I have checked Heather, because I know

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01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 20: Jamie McKay, host of the Country, said he'd give Jamie

1829
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Speaker 20: Strong one hundred dollars as he made it across. I've

1830
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 20: checked on the give a Little page. His name is

1831
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 20: there with one hundred dollars together, so we can actually,

1832
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 20: like not try and head him.

1833
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Speaker 2: Up about that.

1834
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Speaker 20: But what a great achievement though it's seventy six to

1835
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 20: be able to row across cook straight. I'm just in

1836
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 20: awe of him.

1837
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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, and he managed to do it without autopilot

1838
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 3: and just randomly turning right. Good on you, Rowena Duncan

1839
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 3: of the Country. Right, Joe Biden, here go. This is

1840
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 3: part of his op ed.

1841
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 2: Right.

1842
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 3: I love Joe Biden. Oh, this is George Clerney. Sorry,

1843
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 3: George Biden's Joe Biden's probably not writing op eds anymore,

1844
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 3: like at all. I love Joe Biden as a senator,

1845
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 3: as a Vice president, and as a president. I consider

1846
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 3: him a friend and I believe in him, believe in

1847
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 3: his character, believe in his morals. In the last four years,

1848
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 3: he's won many of the battles he's faced, but the

1849
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 3: one battle he cannot win as the fight against time.

1850
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 3: None of us can. It's devastating to say it, but

1851
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 3: the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at

1852
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 3: the fundraiser was not the Joe big effing deal Biden

1853
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 3: of twenty ten. He wasn't even the Joe Biden of

1854
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. He was the same man we all witness

1855
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 3: at the debate. As Democrats, we collectively hold our breath

1856
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 3: or turn down the volume whenever we see the president

1857
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 3: who we respect, walk off Air Force one or walk

1858
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: back to a mic to answer an unscripted question. We

1859
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 3: are not going to win a November with this president.

1860
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 3: On top of that, we won't win the House, and

1861
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: we're going to lose the Senate. This isn't only my opinion.

1862
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 3: This is the opinion of every Senator and Congressmen, member

1863
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 3: and governor that I've spoken with in private. Every single

1864
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: one is, respective of what he or she is saying publicly,

1865
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 3: that is devastating. Sam Dicky Official funds is with us next.

1866
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Speaker 1: That's the mess. If it's to do with money, it

1867
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: matters to you. The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen

1868
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for SME News Talk said.

1869
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Speaker 11: Bank this myself.

1870
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 3: Every week. If you can't tell, they said, two, you

1871
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 3: are amazing.

1872
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Speaker 17: Health.

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01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: Well, we have the big us.

1874
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Speaker 3: For the English fans at the moment, it doesn't really

1875
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 3: matter what happens the rugby on Saturday. I think they

1876
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 3: are pretty stoked about what's just happened in the football

1877
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 3: and end of Brady will absolutely be one of those

1878
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 3: people who'll be with us in ten minutes and talk

1879
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 3: us through it. Listen, we're not imagining that we have

1880
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 3: got too much red tape in this country. The oe

1881
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: CD also thinks this. They've just put out their Product

1882
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 3: Market Regulation Study today, which they put out every single year,

1883
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 3: and this year we are ranked twentieth in the OECD

1884
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 3: for regulations that help businesses compete. Now, I'm gonna put

1885
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: this in context. Right, that's not horrific. We are still

1886
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 3: i think one place above the OECD average, so you

1887
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 3: know we're still in the top half, but we are

1888
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 3: only just in the top half. But where this isn't

1889
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 3: good is that we are ranked. So what we're measuring

1890
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 3: is do your regulations help businesses?

1891
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 2: Right?

1892
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 3: Are they actually helping hindering businesses? And at the moment

1893
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 3: we're still just slightly more into the helping than hindering.

1894
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 3: But this is where it's not good. We're ranked twentieth

1895
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 3: this year and we were ranked second in nineteen ninety eight.

1896
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 3: So in the space of just about twenty five years

1897
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 3: we've managed to slip right down from the top, right

1898
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 3: down to the middle of the pack. Now, the OECD

1899
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 3: has got some suggestions for where we can improve things.

1900
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,719
Speaker 3: They reckon New Zealand could further reduce barriers to foreign

1901
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 3: direct investment. Obtaining licenses and permits can be cumbersome for

1902
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: both new and established businesses. New Zealand's licensing regime is

1903
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 3: more burdensome than the average OECD economy. There is room

1904
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 3: to streamline it. Reducing regulatory barriers in the energy and

1905
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 3: ecommunication sectors could further enhance competition. There is still room,

1906
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 3: they say, to ease constraints on lawyers and accountants, and

1907
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 3: this is why we need David Seymore's red tape cutting.

1908
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 3: The more tape that he cuts, the further we go

1909
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: up that list. And it would be good to be

1910
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 3: right at the top again, wouldn't it twenty two away

1911
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Speaker 3: from seven?

1912
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Speaker 1: Ever, due for clan MasterCard.

1913
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 3: Is a great example of what investors are focused on

1914
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 3: globally right now. What they're focused on is the slowdown

1915
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 3: in US economic growth expectations, regulatory risk and how that

1916
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 3: impacts companies, and new technology like open banking and neo

1917
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 3: banks and so on. Now MasterCard, the reason it's a

1918
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 3: great example is because it's influenced by all of those things.

1919
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 3: And to talk us through it, we've got Sam Dickey

1920
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 3: of Fisher Funds with us. Hey Sam, So Sam, let's

1921
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 3: start by talking about these themes. Okay, slow down in

1922
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 3: US growth expectations, what's going on here?

1923
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 18: Yeah, you and I talked about that last week. So

1924
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 18: there has been a slow down US economic growth expectations,

1925
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 18: still slowly growing, but just slowing slightly. And missus care

1926
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 18: because economic growth drives corporate earning growth and that drive

1927
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 18: stock prices.

1928
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 3: And then what about the regulatory risk? What are investors

1929
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 3: thinking about this?

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Speaker 18: Well, that that is super interesting because ideally, of course,

1931
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 18: you don't want to own companies that run the risk

1932
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 18: that the regulator might come knocking. But it turns out

1933
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 18: that if you aim to invest in some of the

1934
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,799
Speaker 18: high quality companies in the world, they tend to attract

1935
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 18: the attention they're regulator because they're just so large and important.

1936
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 18: So think of companies like Google and Microsoft. They dominate

1937
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:11,759
Speaker 18: their industries, have been fabulous investments over time, and almost

1938
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,520
Speaker 18: as night follows day attract the unwanted attention.

1939
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Speaker 2: Of the regulator.

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Speaker 18: Open banking, Yeah, think about open banking. It's just another

1941
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 18: I mean, innovation is running at the fastest pace ever,

1942
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 18: which brings competition and disruption, and open banking is no

1943
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 18: different an opportunity and as you know, it allows competitors

1944
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Speaker 18: of or too traditional banks with customer approval to easily

1945
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Speaker 18: access customer data and offer new services to those customers.

1946
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 18: So I think about that as I've been up the

1947
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 18: competition to banks and maybe some disintermediation of banks, and

1948
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 18: investors obviously pay attention to that because banks are a

1949
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 18: big part of global stock market.

1950
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 3: And so how does master Card get affected by all

1951
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 3: of these things?

1952
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 18: Yeah, well, I think you're dead right to start. The

1953
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 18: best way to bring a live teams that are bests

1954
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 18: have focused on around the world and through the lend

1955
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 18: of a single company, and MasterCard is one of a

1956
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 18: handful of global payments network companies. In fact, with the

1957
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 18: second largest in the Worldline visa, it doesn't ass your

1958
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 18: credit cards that controls of the very valuable networks and

1959
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 18: routes the flow of money between so you and I,

1960
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 18: the coffee shop down the road, and banks, and it

1961
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 18: is getting buffeted by all three of those things. So

1962
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 18: when you think about it slowing economy and how that

1963
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 18: impacts master cards. If we spend one hundred dollars with

1964
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 18: our our MasterCard this month, master card clips the ticket

1965
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 18: to the tune of about twenty cents. Now, if we

1966
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 18: parton our pelts and only spend ninety bucks next month,

1967
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 18: master card on he clips eighteen cents. So it's the

1968
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 18: sort of a direct impact to the top line and

1969
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Speaker 18: then gottomline you think about the regulator, master card is

1970
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Speaker 18: kind of in the round of those companies I talked about,

1971
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 18: so Microsoft and Google. It is so critical to global

1972
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 18: money flowers as it does attract the attention of the

1973
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 18: regulator via fines and legal cases of the centa. And

1974
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 18: when you think about disruption opportunity that comes from say

1975
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 18: open banking and neo banks, it might face more competition

1976
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 18: from s neobanks, from virtual credit cards, for example, but

1977
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 18: they can in that be a beneficiary because these neobanks

1978
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 18: don't have their own you know, these networks or old

1979
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 18: money routes to control the fly of money. So in

1980
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 18: fact the neo banks will end up up using master

1981
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 18: cards valuable networks.

1982
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Speaker 3: So what does this all mean for investors in SAM.

1983
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Speaker 18: I think most when you think about the economy, the

1984
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 18: first one, most high quality companies globia are temporarily impacted

1985
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 18: by backmacro backdrop. But the trick is to invest in

1986
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 18: companies with really long growth runways, almost in respect of

1987
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 18: the economic backdrop. So if you take master Card, for example,

1988
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 18: it is directly impacted by the economy as we see

1989
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 18: it as people tighten their belts, But on a longer

1990
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 18: term view, there's still a very long runway to go,

1991
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 18: believe it or not, of switching cash and check payments

1992
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 18: to cards around the world. So take Europe, which we

1993
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 18: thought was fairly developed, it still has forty percent of

1994
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 18: payments taking against Southern Europe done by cash and and

1995
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 18: when you think about regulatory risk, it really just does

1996
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 18: go with a territory that most high quality companies on

1997
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 18: Earth are tractical are the regulator we do typically need

1998
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 18: these companies that are on the market. You can get

1999
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 18: overly concerned about regulation, and as the competition it is

2000
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 18: coming thicker and faster than you ever given. Innovations running faster.

2001
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 18: So make sure any company you invest in has a

2002
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 18: really wide economic motor of business and has a service

2003
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 18: or product that customers can't do without.

2004
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Speaker 3: Oh that's really good advice, Sam, Thank you so much,

2005
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 3: as always that Sam Dickey of Fisher.

2006
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 2: Funds ever do for ce Ellen.

2007
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 3: Remember those two astronauts who I was telling you about

2008
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 3: a little while ago hitch to ride with Boeing up

2009
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 3: to the International Space Station. They're still stuck there. They

2010
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 3: are still like how much worse could Boeing's life get?

2011
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,799
Speaker 3: They are still stuck in space. This is Butch Wilmore

2012
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 3: and Sonny Williams. They went up in that Boeing star

2013
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 3: Liner capsule. Oh mate, if you can't do planes, why

2014
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 3: are you getting into spacecraft. But anyway, the idea was

2015
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 3: to stay on the station for just a few days,

2016
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 3: where then that I was supposed to come back, And

2017
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 3: that was in early June, and now we're in July

2018
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 3: and they're still on the station and they are still

2019
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 3: not expected to come back for a couple more weeks.

2020
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 3: Because if you remember what had happened was that the

2021
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 3: capsule had a rough time on the way up. There

2022
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 3: were helium leagues, and five of the thrusters failed during

2023
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 3: the approach, and so on. They have managed to fix

2024
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 3: the thrusters and four of them are back in working order,

2025
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 3: and now everyone's trying to work out what actually went

2026
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 3: wrong and whether it is now safe for Sunny and

2027
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 3: Butcher to jump back on the capsule and fly home,

2028
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 3: because it's obviously one thing to fix the thing, but

2029
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 3: it's quite another to make sure that they are going

2030
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 3: to make it home safely. What's remarkable about the pair,

2031
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 3: and this shouldn't surprise you. Like astronauts, you would have

2032
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 3: to if you were an astronaut, you would have to

2033
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 3: have real mental resilience, right, because that is a terrifying, claustrophobic,

2034
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 3: lonely experience. They are in great spirits if practice are lie.

2035
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 2: So I have a feeling, I have a real good

2036
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 2: feeling in my heart that this spacecraft will will bring

2037
01:31:59,520 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: us home.

2038
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 7: Problem.

2039
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 13: Human spaceflight is not easy in any regime, and there

2040
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 13: have been multiple issues with every spacecraft that's ever been designed.

2041
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 3: So it's absolutely fine anyway. So all of us going like,

2042
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that's stuck for the rest of their lives.

2043
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 3: Are retired astronaut says No, they're not totally stranded.

2044
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 2: There's nothing to indicate that there's any problem to bring

2045
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 2: them home.

2046
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,719
Speaker 18: They're actually certified to come back if there was an emergency,

2047
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 18: So if there's an emergency today, they could jump in

2048
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 18: the capsule, shut the hatch and come back to Earth.

2049
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 3: You just hope and pray that they have. But I

2050
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 3: don't even know if they take this kind of stuff

2051
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 3: up there, But lots and lots and lots of span

2052
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 3: nickers Quarter two.

2053
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither dupice

2054
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: Ellen with the business hours. Thanks to my HR, the

2055
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on US talks, it'b.

2056
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 3: And Brady are UK correspondence with US. Now, Inda, hello, Had,

2057
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 3: They're great to speak to you into. How much are

2058
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 3: you fizzling over that football?

2059
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 2: Well?

2060
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 19: Look, I have an English wife and two children here

2061
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 19: who flipped away between supporting the Irish rugby team and

2062
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 19: the English soccer team. So I was trapped last night. Really,

2063
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 19: you know, I was sitting here kind of cheering anytime

2064
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 19: the Dutch got a corner or a kicker.

2065
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 3: You can't be living in the country and behaving like this.

2066
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 19: Oh look, I support the Ireland team. And look the

2067
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,759
Speaker 19: Irish people listening to this who will agree with me completely,

2068
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 19: and there will be English people who say, oh, you're

2069
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:22,600
Speaker 19: a disgrace. Look, it's part of the wishy banter of

2070
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 19: living in the Irish Isles, as I call them. Look,

2071
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 19: let's see how they do a good luck to England.

2072
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 19: I mean I've actually coached three of those boys when

2073
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 19: there were kids about to speak on radio on TV.

2074
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 19: So I'm very proud of them. And it's amazing to

2075
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 19: see youngsters go from sixteen seventeen years of age to

2076
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 19: now playing international soccer on the world stage. It's going

2077
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 19: to be very difficult. I mean, Spain are just a

2078
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 19: classic part. And to have a boy. If you haven't

2079
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 19: seen this yet, there's a boy and he is a

2080
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:54,919
Speaker 19: boy playing for Spain. He's currently sixteen. He turned seventeen

2081
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 19: before the weekend, so he will play in the final.

2082
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 19: La mein Yamal. I think he's the next big thing.

2083
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 19: You know, we're waiting to see who the next Ronald

2084
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 19: though Messi is Leamina Mal. He will play in the

2085
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 19: final for Spain. And he will have just gone seventeen.

2086
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 3: Geez, he does look really young. I just quickly googled

2087
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 3: him right, he is a boy. Good on him, man,

2088
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 3: what a future? Now, Inda, have they found the guy

2089
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 3: who did the crossbow Atey.

2090
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 19: An arrest has been made. They took the unusual step

2091
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 19: here the Metropolitan Police of issuing a name and a

2092
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 19: picture of the suspect, Kyle Clifford, as he's now twenty

2093
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 19: six years of age. Now it turns out he was

2094
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 19: previously in a relationship with one of the victims. He

2095
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 19: is arrested. He was found in the cemetery in North

2096
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 19: London yesterday. Police obviously got a tip off he was

2097
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 19: found injured. Now armed police moved in. No shots were

2098
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 19: fired and a twenty six year old man was removed

2099
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 19: from that graveyard and taken the hospital because of his injuries.

2100
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 19: So at some point today he would be spoken to

2101
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 19: by detectives. But the country is in shock and the

2102
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 19: community of Bushy, which is a small community her place

2103
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 19: outside Watford, north of London, people are devastated. A crossbow

2104
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 19: was the weapon that was used in the triple murder.

2105
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 19: The victims are Carol Hunt, who was sixty one and

2106
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 19: two daughters who are twenty eight and twenty five, and

2107
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 19: they are the family of John Hunt, the BBC horse

2108
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 19: racing commentator. People are just absolutely stunned. And I should

2109
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 19: say John, it's just such a popular figure in broadcasting

2110
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 19: and in horse racing here in the UK.

2111
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 3: Everyone thinking of him devastating is that his entire family?

2112
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Inda, we believe so?

2113
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 9: Oh right?

2114
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 3: How tough is that? That's really rough? What about the

2115
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 3: SYR hostess?

2116
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 1: Now?

2117
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 3: So, she apparently attempted suicide in Dubai and was then

2118
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 3: what detained for it.

2119
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 19: She was the victim of a domestic beating. She was

2120
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 19: battered senseless allegedly in her own home and when she

2121
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 19: went looking for hospital treatment, instead of getting hospital treatment,

2122
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 19: she walk up in a police station. This has caused

2123
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 19: outrage in Ireland and the sequence of events. Tory Towie

2124
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 19: is the girl's name. She's twenty six. She's an air

2125
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 19: hostess with Emirates living in Dubai. She did attempt suicide.

2126
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 19: They smelled alcohol on her breath and she was immediately

2127
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,679
Speaker 19: arrested attempting suicide as a criminal offense in Dubai. Believe

2128
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 19: it or not, we learned that this week she was

2129
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 19: thrown in a prison cell and her Irish passport was

2130
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 19: taken off her and confiscated. It's destroyed by the way,

2131
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 19: they've actually destroyed the passport. Now what has happened is

2132
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 19: the family got in touch with politicians in Ireland. Mary

2133
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 19: lou MacDonald of Shinfein, who a lot of people think

2134
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 19: could be our next prime minister or Tea Shock. She

2135
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 19: raised the case in the Irish Parliament, the Doll in

2136
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 19: Dublin and immediately the Tea Shock Simon Harris, he's our

2137
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 19: prime minister. He got in touch with the authorities in

2138
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 19: the UAE and now she's being given a new passport.

2139
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 19: The charges have been dropped and they're trying to get

2140
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 19: her a flight out of Dubai. But it has put

2141
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 19: Dubai on the front pages in Ireland. This is a

2142
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 19: place that a lot of people are of Irish people

2143
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 19: go to party and you know, drink and have a laugh.

2144
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 19: There is a very sinister underbelly to that place. Absolutely

2145
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 19: in this case is just what a disgrace. Young woman

2146
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 19: allegedly beaten in her own home, tries to kill herself

2147
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 19: and they arrest her.

2148
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that is quite concerning. Inda, I really appreciate

2149
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 3: you talking us through that stuff. Indo Brady, UK correspondent

2150
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 3: eight away from seven.

2151
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

2152
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my

2153
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: HR the HR platform for SME used talk, said B.

2154
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour

2155
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR the HR platform

2156
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: for SME used to talk, said B.

2157
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the separating Kiwirellan into Rlander is a great idea,

2158
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 3: but I'd be concerned if it was ever sold off.

2159
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 3: That's a fair point from Ben. Actually, the taxpayer union

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Speaker 3: guys at Curia guys have done a pole of a

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Speaker 3: thousand people, and I'm telling you a thousand people, so

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Speaker 3: you know he's got some credibility there. It's not just

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Speaker 3: like five of us. A thousand people have given their views.

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Speaker 3: Forty three percent support selling the KiwiRail owned ferry service

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Speaker 3: to a private company privatizing it, forty three percent plays,

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Speaker 3: thirty eight percent opposed to a sale, in nineteen percent unsure.

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Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of support for it, but

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Speaker 3: not probably enough to be totally confident about. Now, how

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Speaker 3: good is this Okay, listen to this for how to

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Speaker 3: handle a dispute with a business. Okay. A woman in

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Speaker 3: Lower Hut bought a brand new LDVT sixty ut from

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Speaker 3: a Hut Valley dealer late at the very start of

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Speaker 3: last years. It was a twenty two that she'd bought,

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Speaker 3: and she bought it at the start of twenty three.

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Speaker 3: After she said it after she bought it, she said

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Speaker 3: the car started giving her trouble. She had difficulty moving

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Speaker 3: from two wheel drive to four wheel drive. She claims

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Speaker 3: the four wheel drive often doesn't work on cold mornings,

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Speaker 3: and she says it makes a banging sound while it's

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Speaker 3: in four wheel drive. So she took a group of

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Speaker 3: dealers and distributors to the Motor Vehicle Disputes Tribunal over

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Speaker 3: these problems, and she lost her appeal because they said

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Speaker 3: while the noise, you know, wasn't great, she couldn't prove

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Speaker 3: it was the result of any fault. So, having reached

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Speaker 3: the end of that particular strategy, she tried a new one.

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Speaker 3: She printed a whole bunch of sign writing signs and

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Speaker 3: stuck it on her car as revenge. And they say

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Speaker 3: buyer beware. LDV equals zero reliability I'm not a four

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Speaker 3: x four. I identify as a lemon. And some of

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Speaker 3: the stuff that she added also took a crack directly

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Speaker 3: at the dealership that she brought it from. I love this.

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Speaker 3: Don't internalize your anger, externalize it with some signwriting how

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Speaker 3: good is that?

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Speaker 1: How good is that?

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Speaker 7: End?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, should have just given her a free car, I think,

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Speaker 21: and made the whole thing go away.

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Speaker 3: Right, because now we're talking about whether ldvs suck or not.

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Speaker 21: Make miss that you ever see a supermarket they just

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Speaker 21: you're taking your crappy grapes and they're like, here are

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Speaker 21: two whole bunches of free grapes, Please go away. I

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Speaker 21: feel like, you know, even when you scale up to

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Speaker 21: a car, that's probably still the strategy that is correct.

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Speaker 21: Mister Bright's side by the Killers to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 21: For the Killers were playing at the O two Arena,

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Speaker 21: probably really unfortunate timing around the same time as England

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Speaker 21: were playing Netherlands and the Euros, but they actually leaned

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Speaker 21: into it and during the concert they put the game

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Speaker 21: up on the big screen right for the end when

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Speaker 21: England won, and then sprayed red and White can fit

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Speaker 21: into the crowd and launched into mister Brightside, which is

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Speaker 21: pretty good way to get around the schedule conflict. I

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Speaker 21: can't tell whether they did this live or whether they

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Speaker 21: were like playing slightly later and so had time to

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Speaker 21: I edited all together and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But that is a cool thing to do though, so

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Speaker 3: that everybody who was there, like, you're never going to

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Speaker 3: forget that night.

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Speaker 21: I unless you had the game taped at home and

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Speaker 21: you were really hoping to go home and watch it.

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Speaker 1: Oh and you didn't want to.

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Speaker 3: Know what the Yeah, then spoiler true actually and spug

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Speaker 3: of them. What a great way to do it. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much, See you tomorrow. News Talks it be.

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