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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be in time to catch up with our sustainability commentator,

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Speaker 2: Kate Hall aka Ethically Kate more Dinna Molena. How's it

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Speaker 2: going very well? Thank you very well. Hey, this morning,

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Speaker 2: we're taking a closer look at the benefits of living

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Speaker 2: more sustainably, not just on the Earth, but on your

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Speaker 2: mental health. So because the thing is that, yeah, being

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Speaker 2: a bit more sustainable, you reckon, isn't just good for

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Speaker 2: the planet Earth, it's good for our heads as well.

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Speaker 2: So let's run through some of the key benefits as

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Speaker 2: you see them. Why would you say that living more

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Speaker 2: sustainably is better for your mental health?

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Speaker 3: So I can only obviously speak from my own personal experience,

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Speaker 3: and it's very topical being Mental Health Awareness Week. It

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Speaker 3: always reminds me. Yeah, it always reminds me when I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, what are the things are the good for

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Speaker 3: my mental health? You know what when do I feel best?

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Speaker 3: And they're always sustainable living habits. And I think Austin

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Speaker 3: took about sustainable living is you know it takes something away,

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Speaker 3: or it's a strain and your mental health, or you

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Speaker 3: know it can be a real kind of downer chat

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Speaker 3: about it. But but having lived you know, my lived

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Speaker 3: reality is that just a few kind of the main

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Speaker 3: things and hopefully other people probably have a long list too.

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Speaker 3: But slowing down, I think for me that whole awareness

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Speaker 3: piece around, Okay, like where is my food from? Like

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Speaker 3: why am I going to buy this? What? You know?

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Speaker 3: What am I doing? Am I doing this just because

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Speaker 3: everyone else does this? Or am I doing this because

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Speaker 3: it is good for the planet? It is good for me.

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Speaker 3: I've definitely felt that that, Yeah, there's benefits of slowing

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Speaker 3: down and reconnecting and asking about your why is so

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Speaker 3: much better You're not just in this kind of rat

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Speaker 3: race of I'm just going to do this because there

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Speaker 3: I've got to you know, I've got to do this

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Speaker 3: because my friend brought that at the moll and I

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Speaker 3: got to go, you know, like you slow down and

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Speaker 3: you're kind of you have For me, I just find

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Speaker 3: the kind of it's mindful. There's mind yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I think you know, when we think about sustainable

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Speaker 3: living too, you can't kind of really cann extoicate what's

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Speaker 3: better for for the planet without spending time outside. Right, So,

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people you know, I spend a

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Speaker 3: lot more time outside having living more sustainably because you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll ride my bike. The other day, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's a little bit cloudy and I've got to get

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Speaker 3: quite a few things, so maybe I'll take the car.

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Speaker 3: And I was kind of rationalizing taking the car took place,

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Speaker 3: but you know, it's probably only seven comters away, So

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Speaker 3: I ended up taking my bike, and honestly, I came

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Speaker 3: back feeling so much better mentally, like in my in

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Speaker 3: my spirits, just from having been outside and the fresh air.

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Speaker 2: Like people preaching converted on that one, I just I reckon,

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Speaker 2: like I reckon, there is so much to be said

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Speaker 2: for just feeling the elements on your face. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: writing or or walking to work, even if it's not

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Speaker 2: a very good day, it's so good. It kind of

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Speaker 2: especially if you've got to go to work and it's

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Speaker 2: kind of part of your commute, it just helps you.

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Speaker 2: It really helps you kind of reset and refresh at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day. You know, I could say

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Speaker 2: I think it's.

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Speaker 3: Great totally, it's so so good. I think also, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you think about kind of the key sustainable living

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Speaker 3: elements is it's less living life alone, you find yourself

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Speaker 3: more in spaces of shared community and with people. You know,

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Speaker 3: if you think about like the Auckland Library of Tools,

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Speaker 3: you know, people are there to get a tool, to

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Speaker 3: borrow it so they don't have to you know, buy it,

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Speaker 3: or they could even borrow it, so they are testing

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Speaker 3: it out first, and they're going there to engage with

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Speaker 3: those people there rather than just kind of an individual

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Speaker 3: moment at a shop. I even think about like repair

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Speaker 3: cafes and the connections I see there. People bring kai,

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Speaker 3: they share it. You know, they come away with a

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Speaker 3: fixed item, but they also come away with that sense

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Speaker 3: of community and kind of resilience, which I think unless

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Speaker 3: you're having a really bad day and you don't want

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Speaker 3: to talk to anyone, which you know, I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: I always want to talk to people too, but you generally.

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Speaker 2: Come away with atia benefit as well. You feel you

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Speaker 2: feel part of a community. That I reckon that's a

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Speaker 2: few one. Can we can not set one up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good And I think probably the kind of

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Speaker 3: final key one is when you're living more sustainably, like

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Speaker 3: it can feel you know, you're doing all these little

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Speaker 3: actions right and they're not necessarily changing the world. But

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Speaker 3: you're you're by doing those actions, you're showing yourself. No,

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Speaker 3: I actually can make a difference. I actually can do something,

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Speaker 3: and I'm actually choosing to do something, no matter how

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Speaker 3: big of a difference it's going to make. And I

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Speaker 3: think in a world where you know, there's all this

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Speaker 3: negative news and everything feels heavy and it can just, yeah,

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Speaker 3: feel quite defeateous understanding that you can make a difference

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Speaker 3: in combating eco anxiety by doing all these little sustainable things.

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Speaker 3: It's just so so helpful from mental health rather than

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna not you know.

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Speaker 2: That, Dair. Yeah, do you think that's a generational thing? Like,

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Speaker 2: do you think that younger people in particular, you know,

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Speaker 2: are more inclined to feel like kind of a bit

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Speaker 2: of a state of despair about the climate and about

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Speaker 2: you know, other kind of geopolitical things and war and

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, or you know, do you think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, people of different generations can get that same benefit.

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Speaker 3: I think I think all generations can get the same benefits.

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Speaker 3: But I do think, you know, even from interviews and

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Speaker 3: research out there, there is younger generations are feeling a

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Speaker 3: lot more because you know, they are kind of new

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Speaker 3: to this planet and looking at the trajectory of what

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Speaker 3: their kind of adult lives will look like. And I

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Speaker 3: think there's a lot more kind of education and awareness

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Speaker 3: now in our schools and media around. It's that we

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Speaker 3: to be doing better. So that's kind of, yeah, potentially

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Speaker 3: a bit more weighted from the younger generations. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I see and you know, even my parents who do

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Speaker 3: some great kind of sustainable living elements of their life,

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Speaker 3: and I think, you know, for them, that helps them

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Speaker 3: feel better mentally about knowing okay, you know, for future

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Speaker 3: generations and you know, for families you know and beyond, they'll, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they feel they'll feel better like they're doing something rather

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Speaker 3: than kind of letting your mental health just kind of

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Speaker 3: slide into this pit of despair, which I have exactly

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Speaker 3: being practive and you know I have my days, right,

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Speaker 3: We all have our days where you can just feel

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Speaker 3: bit yeah heavy, But honestly, what gets me out of

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Speaker 3: it is knowing, you know, I can actually do something.

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Speaker 3: And even if you know, we find out that none

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Speaker 3: of us this does matter. At least it's making my

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Speaker 3: mental health feel better, and at least it is making

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Speaker 3: the you know so, even my own small world to

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Speaker 3: get to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Hey, thank you so much, Kate. You

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Speaker 2: can find Kate Hall on all of the social media platforms.

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Speaker 2: She has a raging Instagram account, not as an angry,

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