WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #269 - December 11th 2024 - Tony Astle 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talks. It be 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:16.373 follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.733 --> 0:00:19.733 It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 0:00:19.773 --> 0:00:22.253 the information, all the debates. 0:00:21.933 --> 0:00:24.093 Of the stop now. 0:00:24.213 --> 0:00:27.413 The lighton Smith podcast powered by News Talks. 0:00:27.453 --> 0:00:30.413 It be Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and sixty nine 0:00:30.533 --> 0:00:34.573 for December eleventh, twenty twenty four. Tony Astell is a 0:00:34.653 --> 0:00:38.493 chef for forty nine years. Well, let's say Nion fifty years. 0:00:38.533 --> 0:00:42.333 That's Nie on half a century. Antwine's restaurant in Parnell 0:00:42.613 --> 0:00:46.933 in Auckland was his no more. In the interview the 0:00:47.133 --> 0:00:51.893 discussion to follow, those who experienced Antwine's even once will 0:00:51.933 --> 0:00:55.493 appreciate and reminisce. Those who never did or weren't even 0:00:55.493 --> 0:00:58.893 aware of Antwan's or its owner might regret its passing, 0:00:59.093 --> 0:01:02.613 but will enjoy what follows. I set Tony up for 0:01:02.653 --> 0:01:05.613 the last podcast of twenty twenty four because I wanted 0:01:05.653 --> 0:01:09.213 to finish on a different note to usual, But with 0:01:09.653 --> 0:01:13.813 so much happening, I can't avoid including some matters, things 0:01:13.853 --> 0:01:18.173 important enough to encourage some holiday attention. Over the next 0:01:18.333 --> 0:01:21.533 seven weeks, will be replaying What's called the best of 0:01:22.173 --> 0:01:25.293 every year, I receive a comment from folk who either 0:01:25.493 --> 0:01:28.733 missed an interview on release or have picked up detail 0:01:28.813 --> 0:01:31.533 that they missed on the first round. Over the next 0:01:31.573 --> 0:01:36.133 seven weeks, you'll hear from people like David Bell, Jim Bovard, 0:01:36.453 --> 0:01:41.893 Aaron Day, Rummish, the Ker, Nick Cater, Paul Merrick, Doctor 0:01:41.933 --> 0:01:46.813 Paul Merrick, Anthony Willie, Jim Allen, there's Anthony O'Brien and 0:01:46.973 --> 0:01:51.693 Jody Bruning. These are people who have contributed willingly or 0:01:51.773 --> 0:01:55.173 unwillingly to the Latenessmith podcast over the last twelve months 0:01:55.613 --> 0:01:57.893 and it has been a pleasure having each and every one. 0:01:59.053 --> 0:02:00.973 That's only scratching the surface, I might add, but I 0:02:01.053 --> 0:02:04.093 ran through the list and basically they're the ones that 0:02:04.533 --> 0:02:09.373 I'm choosing from. So we shall return. Just marget in 0:02:09.413 --> 0:02:11.973 your diary. Well, don't worry if you've got if you 0:02:12.013 --> 0:02:14.493 get the email, because you'll find out at the time. 0:02:15.053 --> 0:02:18.173 February seven is our return date. And for those who 0:02:18.213 --> 0:02:20.613 aren't on the email list, let me encourage you to 0:02:20.653 --> 0:02:25.133 do so. It's very simple. 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Just before 0:02:59.453 --> 0:03:02.373 we get to Tony Gastall, I think it's fair to 0:03:02.413 --> 0:03:05.533 say that there is a potential crisis brewing in New Zealand, 0:03:06.053 --> 0:03:08.933 that is, if it's not already a crisis, and many, 0:03:08.973 --> 0:03:12.853 if not most, are unaware of it. That said, there 0:03:12.933 --> 0:03:16.253 is a growing collective of the informed who are contributing 0:03:16.253 --> 0:03:19.773 their best to change that knowledge wise. I mean, now, 0:03:20.013 --> 0:03:24.453 let's begin with doctor Muriel Newman, because she is responsible 0:03:24.493 --> 0:03:29.493 for one of the best websites in the country, NZCPR 0:03:29.693 --> 0:03:33.133 dot com New Zealand Center for Political Research dot com. 0:03:33.133 --> 0:03:37.093 At NZCPR dot com, she has written in the latest edition, 0:03:37.173 --> 0:03:41.053 which only came out I think it was yesterday, late yesterday, 0:03:41.533 --> 0:03:45.133 Supreme Court activism and she leads with a quote I 0:03:45.213 --> 0:03:50.413 cannot contemplate without uneasiness the evil consequences that might ensue 0:03:50.533 --> 0:03:54.413 from judicially declaring that the soil of the foreshore of 0:03:54.453 --> 0:03:58.053 the colony will be vested absolutely in the natives if 0:03:58.093 --> 0:04:01.133 they can prove certain acts of ownership. Who do you 0:04:01.133 --> 0:04:05.493 think said that? It wasn't anybody who's alive today, Chief 0:04:05.613 --> 0:04:09.453 Judge Fenton in eighteen seventy. And if ever you wanted 0:04:09.493 --> 0:04:12.533 an example of how things don't change, then this is it. 0:04:13.333 --> 0:04:17.413 I cannot contemplate without uneasiness the evil consequences which might 0:04:17.533 --> 0:04:23.053 ensue from judicially declaring, judicially declaring that the soil of 0:04:23.133 --> 0:04:26.453 the foreshore of the colony will be vested absolutely in 0:04:26.493 --> 0:04:28.933 the natives. If they can prove certain acts of ownership, 0:04:29.573 --> 0:04:33.293 then murial rights. As Kiwi's head to the beaches this summer, 0:04:33.493 --> 0:04:35.893 they should give a sort to the battle that's raging 0:04:35.933 --> 0:04:38.253 behind the scenes for the ownership and control of their 0:04:38.293 --> 0:04:42.573 favorite patch of coastline. Hundreds of tribal groups across the 0:04:42.613 --> 0:04:46.533 country are spending millions of dollars of taxpayers money on 0:04:46.733 --> 0:04:51.653 high powered legal teams arguing before compliant judges that they 0:04:51.653 --> 0:04:56.533 should be awarded customary marine title so they can own 0:04:56.893 --> 0:05:02.253 the foreshore and seabed extending out twelve nautical miles. Customary 0:05:02.253 --> 0:05:05.013 title is a significant prize. It comes with all the 0:05:05.053 --> 0:05:08.693 benefits of ownership except the right of resale. In other word, words, 0:05:08.733 --> 0:05:13.173 tribal owners would control the coast. They would have the 0:05:13.253 --> 0:05:16.373 right to deny public access to areas they claim are 0:05:16.413 --> 0:05:21.373 culturally sensitive, appointing wardens to police wahi tapu areas and 0:05:21.613 --> 0:05:24.853 issue trespass fines of up to five thousand dollars. I'm 0:05:24.853 --> 0:05:26.693 going to leave it there because it runs five pages. 0:05:26.733 --> 0:05:29.293 I just want to introduce you to it, then follow 0:05:29.373 --> 0:05:34.413 that up with the next article in this current edition, 0:05:34.853 --> 0:05:38.973 from Anthony Willie, retired judge and friend of the podcast 0:05:39.493 --> 0:05:42.813 Sovereignty in New Zealand. The notion of sovereignty describes the 0:05:42.853 --> 0:05:47.013 person or entity or which has the last say in 0:05:47.053 --> 0:05:50.013 all matters affecting the affairs of state. It's as old 0:05:50.013 --> 0:05:53.893 as mankind. From the earliest times, when wandering tribalism was 0:05:53.933 --> 0:05:59.213 replaced by recognized territorial boundaries and a homogeneous population, a 0:05:59.293 --> 0:06:03.453 leader accepted by the populace, either by fear or consent, 0:06:03.613 --> 0:06:07.253 became a necessity. This for the simple reason that if 0:06:07.293 --> 0:06:10.493 a state is to survive, it must have some person 0:06:10.693 --> 0:06:13.533 or institution which has the final say in making the 0:06:13.613 --> 0:06:17.693 laws by which it and its institutions are governed. History 0:06:17.893 --> 0:06:21.413 is replete with examples, and it gave us the emperor's 0:06:21.493 --> 0:06:25.133 kings and queens and despots who became household names. That 0:06:25.253 --> 0:06:28.973 is when history was still taught in schools. Nice Touch Pony, 0:06:29.613 --> 0:06:32.253 and then goes on and lists some and then a 0:06:32.373 --> 0:06:37.173 little of the contribution from Gary Judd KC, whom we 0:06:37.253 --> 0:06:40.213 had on the podcast earlier in the year. This morning 0:06:40.213 --> 0:06:44.373 the Law Association's Law News. This morning, The Law Association's 0:06:44.493 --> 0:06:48.493 Law News published my criticisms of the Supreme Court's purported 0:06:48.613 --> 0:06:52.493 judgment in the Edwards case under the title the Edwards 0:06:52.613 --> 0:06:58.053 Judgment a nullity designed to preempt Parliament Question Mark. I 0:06:58.093 --> 0:07:01.293 explained that what the Court called a judgment is not 0:07:01.373 --> 0:07:04.253 a judgment at all, but a pronouncement the court had 0:07:04.453 --> 0:07:09.093 no jurisdiction to make. I conclude by asking what should 0:07:09.093 --> 0:07:13.413 the government do? I suggest the government response should include 0:07:13.453 --> 0:07:17.453 an amendment to the mac A Amending Bill currently before 0:07:17.493 --> 0:07:21.453 the House, declaring the Supreme Court's judgment twenty twenty four 0:07:21.733 --> 0:07:26.773 n z SC one six y four a nullity My 0:07:26.853 --> 0:07:30.613 reason for suggesting Parliament should speak is lack of certainty 0:07:30.653 --> 0:07:35.893 about whether a purported decision made without jurisdiction is automatically 0:07:36.013 --> 0:07:40.213 void or whether it stands until declared to be so. 0:07:40.293 --> 0:07:43.613 When the purported decision is of the highest Court, only 0:07:43.653 --> 0:07:49.373 the highest Court itself or Parliament can make that declaration. 0:07:50.253 --> 0:07:55.133 So there are three examples of concerned individuals attempting to 0:07:55.173 --> 0:07:57.773 do their best, in fact, doing their best to make 0:07:57.813 --> 0:08:01.613 this detail known to people like well for people who 0:08:01.693 --> 0:08:05.413 don't know, and it's to be encouraged. And that's one 0:08:05.453 --> 0:08:08.293 of the major things that the present administration, the present 0:08:08.493 --> 0:08:11.613 government needs to pay attention to, and they're not doing 0:08:11.613 --> 0:08:14.213 it well enough. Sadly. Now at the back end, after 0:08:14.253 --> 0:08:18.253 the mail room, I've got further additions to contribute, but 0:08:18.333 --> 0:08:38.213 in a moment. Tony Astell Leverrix is an antihistamine made 0:08:38.213 --> 0:08:42.133 in Switzerland to the highest quality. Leverix relieves hay fever 0:08:42.293 --> 0:08:46.053 and skin allergies or itchy skin. It's a dual action 0:08:46.253 --> 0:08:51.933 antihistamine and has a unique nasal decongestent action. It's fast 0:08:51.933 --> 0:08:55.293 acting for fast relief and it works in under an 0:08:55.333 --> 0:08:59.093 hour and lasts for over twenty four hours. Leverrix is 0:08:59.133 --> 0:09:03.013 a tiny tablet that unblocks the nose, deals with itchy eyes, 0:09:03.213 --> 0:09:07.613 and stops sneezing. Leverrix is an antihistamine made in Switzerland 0:09:07.773 --> 0:09:10.533 to the highest quality. So next time you're in need 0:09:10.573 --> 0:09:14.533 of an effective antihistamine, call into the pharmacy and ask 0:09:14.693 --> 0:09:20.053 for Leverix l e v Rix Leverix and always read 0:09:20.053 --> 0:09:23.573 the label. Take as directed, and if symptoms persist, see 0:09:23.613 --> 0:09:29.493 your health professional. Farmer broker, Auckland, Laighton, Smith, Crooks, lawyers, 0:09:29.613 --> 0:09:36.133 car dealers, stockbrokers, show offs, corporate cowboys, lovely couples, warring couples, 0:09:36.693 --> 0:09:41.293 the richerati. We saw them all and more at Ntwin's 0:09:41.933 --> 0:09:44.853 comment on the back of the book by Tony Astell, 0:09:45.853 --> 0:09:49.493 the establisher, the owner and the chef and everything else 0:09:49.573 --> 0:09:53.853 almost at Antoine's for Nyon fifty years The story of 0:09:53.893 --> 0:09:59.013 Antoin's by Tony Astell called let them meet Tripe, which 0:09:59.053 --> 0:10:01.653 is one thing I wouldn't touch to me, but for 0:10:01.693 --> 0:10:04.653 some reason he's got a fixation with it. Tony Astell 0:10:04.693 --> 0:10:08.293 has been on my radio program on a few occasions 0:10:08.373 --> 0:10:12.453 a number of occasions over the years. He's a friend, 0:10:12.733 --> 0:10:17.773 but he's a friend of everybody's almost and he's somebody 0:10:17.813 --> 0:10:23.333 who deserves the admiration of anybody involved with food, anybody 0:10:23.373 --> 0:10:29.253 involved with free speech, independence and speaking your mind and 0:10:29.333 --> 0:10:33.493 not being cow towed by well, not towing the line 0:10:34.373 --> 0:10:36.733 is a good way to put it. And I get 0:10:36.733 --> 0:10:39.453 that from another book that arrived recently, How Not to 0:10:39.453 --> 0:10:42.293 Toe the Line. But we'll get onto that probably next year. 0:10:43.093 --> 0:10:49.013 Tony is honored with being in studio, sitting in front 0:10:49.053 --> 0:10:53.533 of my handsome new bookcase, and he is the first 0:10:53.533 --> 0:10:58.173 person to do face to face. Okay, it's all done 0:10:58.333 --> 0:11:00.053 on the phone. It was very hard to do face 0:11:00.093 --> 0:11:02.893 to face when you're talking to somebody in America. So 0:11:02.933 --> 0:11:07.093 we've got consistency. But I was determined that you were 0:11:07.093 --> 0:11:08.573 going to come over and we do it like this 0:11:08.653 --> 0:11:11.293 because I think doing it on the phone with you 0:11:11.773 --> 0:11:16.093 would be more difficult for me because I need to 0:11:16.133 --> 0:11:19.333 communicate with you directly. I can tell when you're not 0:11:19.373 --> 0:11:24.613 being truthful, I can tell, I can tell when you're exaggerating, 0:11:25.213 --> 0:11:28.053 but it's not so easy on the phone. So welcome 0:11:28.093 --> 0:11:31.053 to the podcast, number two hundred and sixty eight. It 0:11:31.173 --> 0:11:33.173 is a great pleasure to have you here. I'm going 0:11:33.253 --> 0:11:36.733 to start actually with an apology. No I won't. I'm 0:11:36.733 --> 0:11:39.453 going to get you to explain something, and we will 0:11:39.493 --> 0:11:42.693 move around this in no particular order. Okay, that's the 0:11:42.733 --> 0:11:46.573 way that we work. So after Entrans closed, you went 0:11:46.613 --> 0:11:49.813 off to the Middle East and all sorts of places 0:11:49.813 --> 0:11:52.933 and did a trip. Yep, right, tell us briefly the 0:11:52.973 --> 0:11:56.093 story about the booking that you made at a restaurant 0:11:57.053 --> 0:11:58.373 and never made it. 0:11:58.813 --> 0:12:01.853 Casablanca was a bit dubious about going to these sort 0:12:01.893 --> 0:12:04.093 of places anyway, but anyway, I thought we would go, 0:12:04.213 --> 0:12:08.213 and the grief of us was by my travel companions, 0:12:08.333 --> 0:12:10.653 and also his family was joining us. 0:12:10.693 --> 0:12:12.293 So off we went. 0:12:12.373 --> 0:12:14.853 But it was actually the World Cup and they had 0:12:14.893 --> 0:12:19.213 actually won and I think semifinals, wasn't that they were 0:12:19.213 --> 0:12:22.373 in the finals. So anyway, so we had booked and 0:12:22.533 --> 0:12:25.773 what I didn't realize because all these places are dry 0:12:26.653 --> 0:12:29.973 no alcohol. That's not a very good start for me anyway, 0:12:30.013 --> 0:12:33.893 but you could get it in certain places after certain times. 0:12:33.893 --> 0:12:36.293 But where we stayed at the I've forgotten what the 0:12:36.293 --> 0:12:38.253 place was, but we stayed there and they did not 0:12:38.333 --> 0:12:40.573 have alcohol, so we had to leave to get it. 0:12:40.613 --> 0:12:43.933 And so anyway, we had booked into a restaurant well 0:12:43.973 --> 0:12:47.213 an advance home about six months, which it was a 0:12:47.253 --> 0:12:48.053 Michelin Star one. 0:12:48.133 --> 0:12:48.773 So off we went. 0:12:49.573 --> 0:12:52.413 And so then all of a sudden we decided we 0:12:52.453 --> 0:12:55.693 could walk from the hotel to this restaurant. But there 0:12:55.693 --> 0:12:58.733 were hundreds of thousands of people in the street that 0:12:58.813 --> 0:13:01.933 the place had gone absolutely mad, you know, people on motorbikes, 0:13:01.933 --> 0:13:05.293 people on cars, everywhere. Because you have to remember that 0:13:05.373 --> 0:13:08.053 the teenagers don't drink, so of course they were just high, 0:13:08.493 --> 0:13:10.893 you know, and it was unbelievable and just and it 0:13:11.013 --> 0:13:13.133 got a bit dangerous. So we all were about eight 0:13:13.133 --> 0:13:15.973 of us, so we started walking, but we sort of 0:13:16.093 --> 0:13:18.533 got split up and people started panicking a bit because 0:13:18.533 --> 0:13:20.693 they didn't quite half of us didn't know where. 0:13:20.453 --> 0:13:21.053 We were going. 0:13:21.933 --> 0:13:24.613 So we kept walking, and then all of a sudden 0:13:24.653 --> 0:13:27.013 we all got got on our phones and we met 0:13:27.053 --> 0:13:28.813 at a certain place, you know, so we all did. 0:13:29.213 --> 0:13:31.173 Then we decided we just can't go any further. We 0:13:31.253 --> 0:13:33.333 have to go back because we just wouldn't have got there. 0:13:33.453 --> 0:13:36.533 The crowd was so thick it was, I mean, you think, 0:13:36.613 --> 0:13:38.773 you know when you get the Tonguin's coming over here 0:13:38.813 --> 0:13:41.333 to play rugby, fifty times more than that. 0:13:41.413 --> 0:13:42.333 It was unbelievable. 0:13:42.333 --> 0:13:45.173 Actually, in fact, was probably about thousand times more than 0:13:45.213 --> 0:13:46.613 the he KOI we've just had to put up with. 0:13:46.813 --> 0:13:50.253 But it was, it was you felt as though it 0:13:50.293 --> 0:13:53.173 was dangerous. So we decided not to do it. Anyway, 0:13:53.253 --> 0:13:55.013 that was fine, and we so we went back and 0:13:55.053 --> 0:14:00.613 had dreadful food and no alcohol in the hotel. However, 0:14:01.853 --> 0:14:04.413 we got charged for it because we didn't turn up. 0:14:04.453 --> 0:14:08.013 But it didn't turn Yeah, well it was probably more 0:14:08.053 --> 0:14:11.693 than that, but I mean it was it came off well, 0:14:12.533 --> 0:14:13.773 it came off our credit. 0:14:13.533 --> 0:14:15.933 Cardry I've got the advantage of you of only just 0:14:15.973 --> 0:14:16.973 having read that this morning. 0:14:17.053 --> 0:14:22.053 Yeah, well, yeah, good on anyway, it was absolutely amazing, 0:14:22.093 --> 0:14:24.213 but and I look, I love the whole place. It 0:14:24.253 --> 0:14:27.973 was just fantastic. But it was just a bit. I mean, 0:14:28.013 --> 0:14:30.733 we've been What we did on that tour was we 0:14:30.853 --> 0:14:34.413 tried to go to as many Michelin star restaurants as 0:14:34.413 --> 0:14:36.453 you can. I think in the last in the eighteen 0:14:36.453 --> 0:14:41.893 months we did forty eight starred restaurants and this one 0:14:41.933 --> 0:14:44.333 here had a huge reputation, but you know, we never 0:14:44.333 --> 0:14:47.613 got to it and they discharged us. Anyway, Well, I've 0:14:47.613 --> 0:14:51.773 got a sequel to that. When you launched the book 0:14:51.813 --> 0:14:58.013 a few weeks ago. That's of course, yes, we know. 0:14:58.133 --> 0:15:00.453 It was by invitation, of course, and it was at 0:15:01.173 --> 0:15:05.613 aut aut and you had about three hundred people there. 0:15:05.653 --> 0:15:07.973 I guess did Yeah. Now, I say I gather because 0:15:08.813 --> 0:15:12.413 while we got invited. Here's what happened. It was between 0:15:12.453 --> 0:15:16.813 six and nine pm and we arrived in town in 0:15:16.853 --> 0:15:20.493 the car at six ' ten. I took note of 0:15:20.533 --> 0:15:24.893 the time and we headed straight up for Willie. We 0:15:24.933 --> 0:15:27.973 intended to head straight up to Princess Street, which is 0:15:28.093 --> 0:15:30.853 a good place to park because of school holidays, and 0:15:30.893 --> 0:15:33.133 of course there wouldn't be anybody around and be plenty 0:15:33.133 --> 0:15:38.573 of parking. Forget it. Just getting to Princess Street took ages. 0:15:39.373 --> 0:15:43.853 Everywhere you looked there was a stall, traffic that was 0:15:43.853 --> 0:15:46.973 hardly moving, stationary for long periods of time, and then 0:15:47.133 --> 0:15:50.133 then there'd be a bit of movement, etc. And so 0:15:50.973 --> 0:15:52.933 I drove up Princess Street all the way to the 0:15:52.973 --> 0:15:55.453 other end. I was getting further and further to walk, 0:15:56.293 --> 0:15:59.573 and then came back again. There were cars that were 0:15:59.613 --> 0:16:02.453 parked this is angle parking on both sides, and there 0:16:02.453 --> 0:16:07.453 were cars parked parallel behind those cars, waiting for someone 0:16:07.613 --> 0:16:10.253 nearby to get in their car and go, and there 0:16:10.253 --> 0:16:12.533 are other cars that were cruising, and so we'd see 0:16:12.533 --> 0:16:15.893 a spot up ahead come vacant, and then about three 0:16:15.973 --> 0:16:18.973 cars had fight over it. After one hour, at ten 0:16:19.093 --> 0:16:21.813 past seven, I said, we're going home. God there was 0:16:21.973 --> 0:16:25.613 nowhere to park. I mean we had driven around slowly 0:16:25.933 --> 0:16:28.333 or every got trapped in Queen Street and had to 0:16:28.333 --> 0:16:31.293 go the wrong way, and all sorts of crap because 0:16:31.293 --> 0:16:34.573 of the stupidity of the people who run the run 0:16:34.613 --> 0:16:39.333 the well organ Transport mainly, but it was it was impossible. 0:16:40.293 --> 0:16:44.813 So we drove home, got a takeaway and never made it. 0:16:45.093 --> 0:16:47.173 You're probably quite lucky because there's an awful lot of 0:16:47.173 --> 0:16:49.773 awful served And I know you're such an awful lover. 0:16:51.053 --> 0:16:51.933 Offul is awful. 0:16:52.013 --> 0:16:53.773 You wouldn't have even known it was that I didn't 0:16:53.773 --> 0:16:56.293 tell anyone, is awful. 0:16:56.893 --> 0:16:59.533 Well. That leads to another another part of the of 0:16:59.653 --> 0:17:02.733 the of the whole story. When you were at Normandy Goodness, 0:17:02.853 --> 0:17:05.693 Oh yes it did. Yeah, well, someone someone ate something 0:17:05.733 --> 0:17:09.093 they weren't supposed to want me to tell them what 0:17:09.133 --> 0:17:11.973 they were Fresh meat is the name of the chapter, 0:17:12.093 --> 0:17:16.853 fresh Meat with a trigger warning. Yeah, funny that well, 0:17:16.893 --> 0:17:19.933 that was I was only fifteen at the time, funnily enough, 0:17:20.173 --> 0:17:22.613 and I was in charge of mincing all the food 0:17:22.653 --> 0:17:25.933 that came back from the restaurant. Now, the restaurant was very, 0:17:26.053 --> 0:17:29.813 very famous. Every politician, any film star that came, they 0:17:29.853 --> 0:17:32.333 all went, even Alfred Hitchcock, all those sort of people. 0:17:32.453 --> 0:17:35.573 Well I went, I was getting to the most famous one. 0:17:35.573 --> 0:17:38.453 But anyway, you've actually preempted it, so that's fine. But 0:17:39.573 --> 0:17:42.973 it was a very very popular restaurant and it was 0:17:43.013 --> 0:17:46.653 in nineteen sixty five that I went there. So anyway, 0:17:46.693 --> 0:17:51.053 my job was to when you dined there, if you 0:17:51.533 --> 0:17:54.373 had anything left on your plate, didn't matter what it was. 0:17:54.893 --> 0:17:57.573 It was as you walked into the kitchen with the plate. 0:17:57.613 --> 0:17:59.733 So there was one side for wine and one side 0:17:59.773 --> 0:18:02.813 for food, and the food you just scrape it all 0:18:02.853 --> 0:18:07.133 into this bucket, no matter what it was, and then 0:18:07.213 --> 0:18:09.933 you pour the wine from the glasses, from the bottles, 0:18:09.933 --> 0:18:12.373 whatever into the big flag and that was on the 0:18:12.413 --> 0:18:15.733 other side because that was used for sauces. But the 0:18:15.773 --> 0:18:20.293 food was turned into meat loads and all sorts of 0:18:20.333 --> 0:18:22.613 things for the coffee bar which was next door to 0:18:22.653 --> 0:18:25.093 the restaurant, and they served that at lunch time. 0:18:25.173 --> 0:18:27.933 So my job was to mince all that together might 0:18:27.973 --> 0:18:29.773 have been spaghetti, It might have been so and so, 0:18:29.893 --> 0:18:33.413 but that was my job. But anyway, I didn't think 0:18:33.413 --> 0:18:36.013 that was quite right, coming from a family that you 0:18:36.013 --> 0:18:38.613 you know, you don't you don't eat off other people's plates, 0:18:38.613 --> 0:18:41.013 you doodles, these sorts of stuff. We were sort of proper, 0:18:41.053 --> 0:18:44.133 even though we were different. Anyway, I thought, oh, I 0:18:44.213 --> 0:18:46.093 know what I'll do. I'll just put some tea bones 0:18:46.133 --> 0:18:48.133 down to so as the bones came through, I put 0:18:48.213 --> 0:18:51.013 this shoved it down the big It was a huge 0:18:51.013 --> 0:18:53.533 mixer and I had a big tray on the top, 0:18:54.333 --> 0:18:58.773 but it had guards anyway, So anyway, I kep shoving 0:18:58.813 --> 0:19:00.493 down they were going through. And then the next thing, 0:19:01.093 --> 0:19:03.933 I found this big sort of lamb, sort of legged, 0:19:04.813 --> 0:19:06.653 and I shoved that down. Then all of a sudden 0:19:06.893 --> 0:19:11.053 the machine stopped. Now I know if they get things 0:19:11.093 --> 0:19:13.613 wrong with arms that Madame Luise was quite a tyrant, 0:19:13.653 --> 0:19:15.773 and she would you know that she'd give you a 0:19:15.813 --> 0:19:18.093 good smack, you know, like you're supposed to do when 0:19:18.093 --> 0:19:23.573 people do things wrong. And machine stopped, so, not thinking 0:19:23.613 --> 0:19:25.293 about it, I didn't turn it off the wall, but 0:19:25.333 --> 0:19:27.293 I also lifted the guard off the top and then 0:19:27.373 --> 0:19:29.173 just put my hand down to get the bone out. 0:19:29.213 --> 0:19:31.533 Whoops a daisy, and the bone moved and so did 0:19:31.653 --> 0:19:36.573 my arm. It went flying into the aperture. Anyway, luckily 0:19:36.573 --> 0:19:39.013 it got up to about but that got to the 0:19:39.013 --> 0:19:42.373 elbow and the hand was a big, long bit to 0:19:42.413 --> 0:19:45.493 get down, but so I didn't know how much had gone. 0:19:45.533 --> 0:19:47.613 But then of course I'm leaning across to turn it off, 0:19:47.733 --> 0:19:50.253 and of course all the blood's coming into my face, 0:19:50.373 --> 0:19:53.733 and the chef sending there just collapsed on the floor 0:19:53.773 --> 0:19:57.653 beside me, And anyway, I managed to turn it off myself, 0:19:57.733 --> 0:20:00.853 but that by that stage everyone knew there was something wrong. 0:20:00.893 --> 0:20:03.893 Now we're talking at quarter to eight on a Saturday night, 0:20:04.493 --> 0:20:07.173 which is the busiest note of the week, and I 0:20:07.213 --> 0:20:09.733 think as a fifteen year I didn't swear much, but 0:20:09.813 --> 0:20:12.213 my god, I started swearing at that stage. So Madame 0:20:12.293 --> 0:20:15.173 Luise gave me a good shot of brandy, which apparently 0:20:15.173 --> 0:20:17.093 the worst thing you can do for people in shock. Anyway, 0:20:17.133 --> 0:20:21.493 But anyway, they rang the ambulance. The ambulance couldn't get 0:20:21.573 --> 0:20:25.293 up the alleyway with their gurney or whatever it was, 0:20:25.893 --> 0:20:27.853 so they came through the front door of the restaurant 0:20:27.933 --> 0:20:30.093 through the restaurant into the kitchen and as then, of 0:20:30.093 --> 0:20:34.693 course I'm screaming and yelling, and they decided they didn't 0:20:34.693 --> 0:20:37.333 want to take my hand out of that part of 0:20:37.373 --> 0:20:41.013 the machine because they didn't know how much had been damaged. Wow, 0:20:41.173 --> 0:20:45.093 So they two of them held the machine with how 0:20:45.213 --> 0:20:47.293 the two put me on the stretcher and took me 0:20:47.333 --> 0:20:51.093 through through in front of all the customers, me screaming. 0:20:51.093 --> 0:20:53.573 Can you imagine all that sort of stuff? And I 0:20:53.613 --> 0:20:57.093 was taking to hospital and that was it. Well, then 0:20:57.133 --> 0:20:58.773 they did what they have to do to the things. 0:20:58.773 --> 0:21:00.973 But I didn't know for another couple of months it 0:21:01.133 --> 0:21:04.093 had been taken off because I just wouldn't look. And 0:21:04.133 --> 0:21:06.013 I was all bandished up, so you didn't have to. 0:21:06.173 --> 0:21:07.973 So and every time I had it change, I wouldn't 0:21:07.973 --> 0:21:09.373 go and look because I didn't want to know, because 0:21:09.373 --> 0:21:11.493 I could feel them. I think they're called phantom fingers. 0:21:11.813 --> 0:21:14.693 It was quite funny because many many years later I 0:21:14.773 --> 0:21:18.213 got a letter from someone and said that I was 0:21:18.293 --> 0:21:21.413 dining at that restaurant, that you lost your fingers, and 0:21:21.453 --> 0:21:23.333 so I sent a letter back, so you probably ate 0:21:23.413 --> 0:21:29.213 them anyway. He didn't think that was very funny, but 0:21:29.253 --> 0:21:31.973 it was. It took a lot I didn't know, and 0:21:32.013 --> 0:21:34.173 of course you might even notice today. I never ever 0:21:34.253 --> 0:21:38.253 had their hand open. It's the thing that it's psychologically 0:21:38.413 --> 0:21:39.973 it is they shut it when I was because I 0:21:39.973 --> 0:21:41.573 was only young and aged and like people saying you 0:21:41.613 --> 0:21:42.533 had digits missing? 0:21:42.613 --> 0:21:45.813 So can I tell you something I'd never seen it before? 0:21:46.013 --> 0:21:46.493 Oh really? 0:21:47.053 --> 0:21:49.973 Okay, yeah, Well they're actually quite the interest that they did. 0:21:50.013 --> 0:21:51.613 Quite a good job. That can still be in one 0:21:51.693 --> 0:21:54.173 console band and the other can't. But I must have 0:21:54.213 --> 0:21:56.253 been a it's quite good for when you're chopping now, 0:21:56.293 --> 0:21:57.773 so you're not going to chop your finger off. You 0:21:57.773 --> 0:22:03.173 can just go down the NNE jobs done so prior. 0:22:02.933 --> 0:22:06.773 To to getting to Antwes. And it's not necessarily a 0:22:06.773 --> 0:22:10.973 well known story. It's all in the book. And I well, 0:22:10.973 --> 0:22:13.333 i'll get I'll get to the to the book a 0:22:13.373 --> 0:22:16.493 little later. But what was the most exciting thing that 0:22:16.533 --> 0:22:18.973 happened to you in your life up to the point 0:22:19.013 --> 0:22:24.493 that Antwines came on the scene. Well up until then probably. 0:22:26.133 --> 0:22:29.453 I think probably going to the Coachman restaurant as a 0:22:29.493 --> 0:22:33.213 young ap print. Well it wasn't apprentice because they didn't 0:22:33.213 --> 0:22:35.453 have schools like that in those days. And Dez Britain 0:22:36.253 --> 0:22:38.733 had been working at Normandy and he was sacked for 0:22:39.213 --> 0:22:43.053 refusing to save rotten food. So I then went to 0:22:43.093 --> 0:22:45.493 see because he opened a restaurant, and then I went 0:22:45.573 --> 0:22:47.613 to see him and he who wanted to come here? 0:22:47.653 --> 0:22:49.893 And of course suddenly it was young people and there 0:22:49.893 --> 0:22:52.813 were Don Hewittson and people that were in the front 0:22:52.853 --> 0:22:55.573 and that we were all green sort of people wanting 0:22:55.613 --> 0:22:57.813 to wed all read books, and des wasn't. He was 0:22:57.853 --> 0:23:01.933 trained by drago Kovak who had the copper room. And 0:23:02.493 --> 0:23:04.453 because Derez was a disc jockey, of course, you know 0:23:05.813 --> 0:23:08.133 they used he was the Coca Cola bottlers Club or 0:23:08.133 --> 0:23:10.773