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Speaker 1: The lighton Smith podcast powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and sixty nine

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Speaker 2: for December eleventh, twenty twenty four. Tony Astell is a

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Speaker 2: chef for forty nine years. Well, let's say Nion fifty years.

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Speaker 2: That's Nie on half a century. Antwine's restaurant in Parnell

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Speaker 2: in Auckland was his no more. In the interview the

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Speaker 2: discussion to follow, those who experienced Antwine's even once will

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Speaker 2: appreciate and reminisce. Those who never did or weren't even

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Speaker 2: aware of Antwan's or its owner might regret its passing,

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Speaker 2: but will enjoy what follows. I set Tony up for

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Speaker 2: the last podcast of twenty twenty four because I wanted

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Speaker 2: to finish on a different note to usual, But with

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Speaker 2: so much happening, I can't avoid including some matters, things

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Speaker 2: important enough to encourage some holiday attention. Over the next

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Speaker 2: seven weeks, will be replaying What's called the best of

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Speaker 2: every year, I receive a comment from folk who either

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Speaker 2: missed an interview on release or have picked up detail

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Speaker 2: that they missed on the first round. Over the next

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Speaker 2: seven weeks, you'll hear from people like David Bell, Jim Bovard,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Day, Rummish, the Ker, Nick Cater, Paul Merrick, Doctor

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Speaker 2: Paul Merrick, Anthony Willie, Jim Allen, there's Anthony O'Brien and

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Speaker 2: Jody Bruning. These are people who have contributed willingly or

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Speaker 2: unwillingly to the Latenessmith podcast over the last twelve months

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Speaker 2: and it has been a pleasure having each and every one.

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Speaker 2: That's only scratching the surface, I might add, but I

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Speaker 2: ran through the list and basically they're the ones that

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Speaker 2: I'm choosing from. So we shall return. Just marget in

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Speaker 2: February seven is our return date. And for those who

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Speaker 2: in the area like Auckland, Wellington, crist wherever you might be.

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Speaker 2: But I encourage you to sign up now. Just before

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Speaker 2: we get to Tony Gastall, I think it's fair to

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Speaker 2: say that there is a potential crisis brewing in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: that is, if it's not already a crisis, and many,

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Speaker 2: if not most, are unaware of it. That said, there

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Speaker 2: is a growing collective of the informed who are contributing

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Speaker 2: their best to change that knowledge wise. I mean, now,

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Speaker 2: let's begin with doctor Muriel Newman, because she is responsible

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Speaker 2: for one of the best websites in the country, NZCPR

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Speaker 2: dot com New Zealand Center for Political Research dot com.

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Speaker 2: At NZCPR dot com, she has written in the latest edition,

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Speaker 2: which only came out I think it was yesterday, late yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court activism and she leads with a quote I

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Speaker 2: cannot contemplate without uneasiness the evil consequences that might ensue

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Speaker 2: from judicially declaring that the soil of the foreshore of

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Speaker 2: they can prove certain acts of ownership. Who do you

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Speaker 2: think said that? It wasn't anybody who's alive today, Chief

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Speaker 2: Judge Fenton in eighteen seventy. And if ever you wanted

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Speaker 2: an example of how things don't change, then this is it.

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Speaker 2: I cannot contemplate without uneasiness the evil consequences which might

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Speaker 2: ensue from judicially declaring, judicially declaring that the soil of

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Speaker 2: the foreshore of the colony will be vested absolutely in

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Speaker 2: then murial rights. As Kiwi's head to the beaches this summer,

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Speaker 2: they should give a sort to the battle that's raging

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes for the ownership and control of their

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Speaker 2: favorite patch of coastline. Hundreds of tribal groups across the

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Speaker 2: high powered legal teams arguing before compliant judges that they

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Speaker 2: should be awarded customary marine title so they can own

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Speaker 2: the foreshore and seabed extending out twelve nautical miles. Customary

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Speaker 2: culturally sensitive, appointing wardens to police wahi tapu areas and

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Speaker 2: issue trespass fines of up to five thousand dollars. I'm

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Speaker 2: from Anthony Willie, retired judge and friend of the podcast

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Speaker 2: Sovereignty in New Zealand. The notion of sovereignty describes the

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Speaker 2: person or entity or which has the last say in

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Speaker 2: all matters affecting the affairs of state. It's as old

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Speaker 2: as mankind. From the earliest times, when wandering tribalism was

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Speaker 2: replaced by recognized territorial boundaries and a homogeneous population, a

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Speaker 2: leader accepted by the populace, either by fear or consent,

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Speaker 2: became a necessity. This for the simple reason that if

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Speaker 2: a state is to survive, it must have some person

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Speaker 2: or institution which has the final say in making the

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Speaker 2: laws by which it and its institutions are governed. History

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Speaker 2: is replete with examples, and it gave us the emperor's

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Speaker 2: kings and queens and despots who became household names. That

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Speaker 2: is when history was still taught in schools. Nice Touch Pony,

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Speaker 2: and then goes on and lists some and then a

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Speaker 2: little of the contribution from Gary Judd KC, whom we

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Speaker 2: had on the podcast earlier in the year. This morning

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Speaker 2: the Law Association's Law News. This morning, The Law Association's

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Speaker 2: Law News published my criticisms of the Supreme Court's purported

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Speaker 2: judgment in the Edwards case under the title the Edwards

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Speaker 2: Judgment a nullity designed to preempt Parliament Question Mark. I

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Speaker 2: explained that what the Court called a judgment is not

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Speaker 2: no jurisdiction to make. I conclude by asking what should

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Speaker 2: the government do? I suggest the government response should include

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Speaker 2: an amendment to the mac A Amending Bill currently before

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Speaker 2: the House, declaring the Supreme Court's judgment twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: about whether a purported decision made without jurisdiction is automatically

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Speaker 2: When the purported decision is of the highest Court, only

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Speaker 2: So there are three examples of concerned individuals attempting to

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Speaker 2: do their best, in fact, doing their best to make

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Speaker 2: this detail known to people like well for people who

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Speaker 2: don't know, and it's to be encouraged. And that's one

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Speaker 2: of the major things that the present administration, the present

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Speaker 2: government needs to pay attention to, and they're not doing

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Speaker 2: it well enough. Sadly. Now at the back end, after

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Speaker 2: the mail room, I've got further additions to contribute, but

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Speaker 2: in a moment. Tony Astell Leverrix is an antihistamine made

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Speaker 2: in Switzerland to the highest quality. Leverix relieves hay fever

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Speaker 2: and skin allergies or itchy skin. It's a dual action

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Speaker 2: acting for fast relief and it works in under an

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Speaker 2: for Leverix l e v Rix Leverix and always read

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Speaker 2: your health professional. Farmer broker, Auckland, Laighton, Smith, Crooks, lawyers,

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Speaker 2: car dealers, stockbrokers, show offs, corporate cowboys, lovely couples, warring couples,

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Speaker 2: the richerati. We saw them all and more at Ntwin's

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Speaker 2: comment on the back of the book by Tony Astell,

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Speaker 2: the establisher, the owner and the chef and everything else

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Speaker 2: almost at Antoine's for Nyon fifty years The story of

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Speaker 2: Antoin's by Tony Astell called let them meet Tripe, which

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Speaker 2: is one thing I wouldn't touch to me, but for

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Speaker 2: some reason he's got a fixation with it. Tony Astell

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Speaker 2: but he's a friend of everybody's almost and he's somebody

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Speaker 2: who deserves the admiration of anybody involved with food, anybody

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Speaker 2: involved with free speech, independence and speaking your mind and

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Speaker 2: not being cow towed by well, not towing the line

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Speaker 2: that from another book that arrived recently, How Not to

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Speaker 2: Toe the Line. But we'll get onto that probably next year.

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Speaker 2: Tony is honored with being in studio, sitting in front

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Speaker 2: of my handsome new bookcase, and he is the first

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Speaker 2: on the phone. It was very hard to do face

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Speaker 2: communicate with you directly. I can tell when you're not

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Speaker 2: is a great pleasure to have you here. I'm going

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Speaker 2: going to get you to explain something, and we will

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Speaker 2: move around this in no particular order. Okay, that's the

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Speaker 2: way that we work. So after Entrans closed, you went

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Speaker 3: But it was actually the World Cup and they had

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Speaker 3: But where we stayed at the I've forgotten what the

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Speaker 3: You're probably quite lucky because there's an awful lot of

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Speaker 3: So my job was to mince all that together might

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Speaker 2: To to getting to Antwes. And it's not necessarily a

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Speaker 3: And of course suddenly it was young people and there

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Speaker 3: just a new way of life, totally different from what

429
00:24:33,453 --> 00:24:37,013
Speaker 3: I'd ever ever been involved with before, and I just

430
00:24:37,453 --> 00:24:39,653
Speaker 3: couldn't help myself. I just loved every minute of it.

431
00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,733
Speaker 2: You mentioned Don Hewittson, He was one of the first

432
00:24:42,733 --> 00:24:46,253
Speaker 2: people I met when I came to Auckland in nineteen

433
00:24:46,293 --> 00:24:49,853
Speaker 2: at the end of nineteen eighty five, he was doing

434
00:24:49,893 --> 00:24:53,773
Speaker 2: a wine tasting because he was from London, of course,

435
00:24:53,933 --> 00:24:57,173
Speaker 2: doing a wine tasting down at in the gully between

436
00:24:57,173 --> 00:25:01,373
Speaker 2: Ponstanby and Newton Gully Gully and there was one of

437
00:25:01,413 --> 00:25:04,613
Speaker 2: the big chains I had a big store there, and

438
00:25:05,093 --> 00:25:07,173
Speaker 2: I went down there and got there early and he

439
00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:09,213
Speaker 2: was just sort of like setting up, you know, and

440
00:25:09,253 --> 00:25:12,733
Speaker 2: so we started talking and that led to a very

441
00:25:13,373 --> 00:25:17,013
Speaker 2: a very strong friendship over a long period of time

442
00:25:17,093 --> 00:25:18,973
Speaker 2: until in fact, last time I saw him as in

443
00:25:19,013 --> 00:25:21,413
Speaker 2: fact was at your place at Antoines and he was

444
00:25:21,453 --> 00:25:24,493
Speaker 2: not well. He was on a cruise, remember, and he

445
00:25:24,613 --> 00:25:28,693
Speaker 2: was not well and he died shortly thereafter. Yeah, very sadly,

446
00:25:28,973 --> 00:25:31,813
Speaker 2: but he got I mean, he was a man such

447
00:25:31,853 --> 00:25:34,933
Speaker 2: a reputation in London for the Cork and Bottle in

448
00:25:34,973 --> 00:25:37,893
Speaker 2: particular and the other restaurants he established, and that he

449
00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:42,013
Speaker 2: was awarded all sorts of honors, knighthoods, even the French

450
00:25:42,373 --> 00:25:46,413
Speaker 2: for his work on Champagne in particular. So he was

451
00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:49,533
Speaker 2: a great guy. He kept inviting us to go and

452
00:25:49,933 --> 00:25:51,893
Speaker 2: stay with him in the south of France, which we

453
00:25:51,933 --> 00:25:54,453
Speaker 2: did a few times. Yeah, never made it.

454
00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:56,453
Speaker 3: Actually you would have loved it because it was down

455
00:25:56,573 --> 00:25:59,893
Speaker 3: in Centre Pe but up on the hills, absolutely amazing.

456
00:25:59,893 --> 00:26:02,453
Speaker 3: He walked through the forest down to an amazing restaurant.

457
00:26:02,493 --> 00:26:05,133
Speaker 3: But it was DearS and Lorraine and Bess and I

458
00:26:05,173 --> 00:26:07,413
Speaker 3: went and stayed there and we just had the best time.

459
00:26:07,453 --> 00:26:09,053
Speaker 3: You can imagine what the food was like there. We

460
00:26:09,173 --> 00:26:11,973
Speaker 3: just went and went for it. But Don was a character,

461
00:26:12,013 --> 00:26:14,333
Speaker 3: there was no doubt about it. And he worked at

462
00:26:14,493 --> 00:26:16,453
Speaker 3: the Coachman for a long long time and that's how

463
00:26:16,493 --> 00:26:19,693
Speaker 3: I was very involved with him and Gene. Of course

464
00:26:19,733 --> 00:26:24,213
Speaker 3: he married Gene and she also worked at Orsinis, which

465
00:26:24,253 --> 00:26:28,773
Speaker 3: was another restaurant around the corner in Wellington and Cooper Street.

466
00:26:29,493 --> 00:26:32,093
Speaker 3: And so anyway they all got together and then I

467
00:26:32,253 --> 00:26:34,533
Speaker 3: because I met my partners with the book, they were

468
00:26:34,573 --> 00:26:37,133
Speaker 3: also working or one of them was working at the

469
00:26:37,253 --> 00:26:38,813
Speaker 3: I think I was over and not out. I can't

470
00:26:38,813 --> 00:26:41,093
Speaker 3: remember which one it was, but he.

471
00:26:41,213 --> 00:26:41,853
Speaker 2: Was working there.

472
00:26:42,373 --> 00:26:45,333
Speaker 3: Don wanted to open a restaurant in Auckland, but he

473
00:26:45,533 --> 00:26:47,733
Speaker 3: just decided not to want to go to London instead,

474
00:26:47,853 --> 00:26:52,933
Speaker 3: so we went up to Antoines from there, but I

475
00:26:53,013 --> 00:26:54,693
Speaker 3: worked there. I got sacked a couple of times. I

476
00:26:54,733 --> 00:26:56,573
Speaker 3: always say five times that I think it was only

477
00:26:56,613 --> 00:26:59,293
Speaker 3: two from the coachman, because I thought I owned the

478
00:26:59,293 --> 00:27:01,733
Speaker 3: place anyway, So I thought I was the head chief

479
00:27:01,733 --> 00:27:04,333
Speaker 3: because there was actually a Way doing his TV show

480
00:27:04,333 --> 00:27:05,773
Speaker 3: all the time, so I was doing a lot of

481
00:27:05,773 --> 00:27:09,733
Speaker 3: the cooking, and because one funny story, but one one

482
00:27:09,813 --> 00:27:12,053
Speaker 3: night that I was out there because he used to

483
00:27:12,053 --> 00:27:14,933
Speaker 3: wear those huge hats, which are stupid, you know, silly chefs.

484
00:27:15,013 --> 00:27:17,053
Speaker 3: That's the higher they are, the more important to us.

485
00:27:17,133 --> 00:27:19,253
Speaker 3: I've been quite sure I could get a very very

486
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:22,053
Speaker 3: tall hat on. It wasn't a problem. So I was

487
00:27:22,093 --> 00:27:24,133
Speaker 3: actually went out to the table and they were all

488
00:27:24,213 --> 00:27:27,533
Speaker 3: the every person that was anyone in Wellington was dining there.

489
00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:29,813
Speaker 3: And I walked around to as DearS used to do

490
00:27:29,853 --> 00:27:31,573
Speaker 3: and say, just to see if everything was all right,

491
00:27:31,613 --> 00:27:34,773
Speaker 3: and there's always he's never here, he's never here. Well,

492
00:27:34,773 --> 00:27:37,213
Speaker 3: about half an hour later he came back, put his

493
00:27:37,293 --> 00:27:39,693
Speaker 3: hat on and walked around and Lady Todd, I'll never forget,

494
00:27:39,733 --> 00:27:43,373
Speaker 3: she said, Oh, but Desmond Tony does all the cooking here, dear,

495
00:27:44,573 --> 00:27:46,813
Speaker 3: So I think I was sent home to christ at

496
00:27:46,813 --> 00:27:47,733
Speaker 3: that stage.

497
00:27:47,813 --> 00:27:49,333
Speaker 2: But you were a ponse little prick.

498
00:27:49,413 --> 00:27:52,893
Speaker 3: Well, totally totally. Look I probably still am folks.

499
00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:56,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you claim towards the end of the

500
00:27:56,653 --> 00:27:59,093
Speaker 2: book that nothing could change or something similar. Let me

501
00:27:59,133 --> 00:28:03,653
Speaker 2: put it this way, and Twine's was a landmark, not

502
00:28:03,813 --> 00:28:09,253
Speaker 2: just in New Zealand, but all over the world. It was.

503
00:28:08,933 --> 00:28:11,253
Speaker 2: It was a place that took me quite a while

504
00:28:11,293 --> 00:28:16,693
Speaker 2: to get there. Now, you welcomed all sorts of people, politicians,

505
00:28:16,773 --> 00:28:22,173
Speaker 2: not necessarily so, depending on their politics. Oh, totally. And

506
00:28:22,213 --> 00:28:25,093
Speaker 2: the reason that I'm mentioning this is because in the

507
00:28:25,093 --> 00:28:27,213
Speaker 2: book you say that you banned Helen Clark.

508
00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:31,573
Speaker 3: Why of ruining the moral fiber of my country? I

509
00:28:31,613 --> 00:28:34,493
Speaker 3: think I told her, But anyway, I just decided that

510
00:28:35,693 --> 00:28:37,773
Speaker 3: I don't really know. Look, it was also quite a

511
00:28:37,773 --> 00:28:41,333
Speaker 3: good thing because I remember sitting in your radio stage

512
00:28:41,373 --> 00:28:43,933
Speaker 3: in your one time and she walked and I said,

513
00:28:43,973 --> 00:28:47,853
Speaker 3: oh my god, here's look, it's a right and she

514
00:28:47,973 --> 00:28:50,293
Speaker 3: waved to us. All I was so embarrassed. But I mean,

515
00:28:50,573 --> 00:28:53,133
Speaker 3: she knew even though she said she was never banned.

516
00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:55,453
Speaker 3: All they say she said she was never banned. But

517
00:28:56,293 --> 00:28:58,613
Speaker 3: the thing is she probably didn't want to come anymore anyway.

518
00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:00,893
Speaker 3: But I just decided that I was sick and tired

519
00:29:00,893 --> 00:29:02,373
Speaker 3: of all the crap that was going on, and I

520
00:29:02,413 --> 00:29:06,333
Speaker 3: wanted new people anyway, So I did actually say that

521
00:29:06,373 --> 00:29:07,093
Speaker 3: she was banned.

522
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:11,333
Speaker 2: Action I have with that is that the first time

523
00:29:11,373 --> 00:29:14,773
Speaker 2: I ever came to Antoines was for lunch. There was

524
00:29:14,853 --> 00:29:18,373
Speaker 2: a friend of mine who knew Helen and thought that

525
00:29:18,413 --> 00:29:20,973
Speaker 2: I should meet her. This is leader of the opposition,

526
00:29:21,373 --> 00:29:24,453
Speaker 2: and thought that I should meet her, and so he

527
00:29:24,573 --> 00:29:28,893
Speaker 2: arranged the lunch at Antoines. And that obviously was before

528
00:29:28,933 --> 00:29:32,733
Speaker 2: she was banned, But that formed a sort of foundation

529
00:29:33,093 --> 00:29:36,373
Speaker 2: of acquaintanceship, shall we say. And I ended up getting

530
00:29:36,453 --> 00:29:40,173
Speaker 2: invited to her fortieth birthday party in herne bay. I

531
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:42,653
Speaker 2: lived around the corner and it was and it was

532
00:29:42,693 --> 00:29:48,053
Speaker 2: held in the backyard of this house. And I'm there

533
00:29:48,613 --> 00:29:51,373
Speaker 2: and Dame cath Tizzard. I'm not sure she was a

534
00:29:51,453 --> 00:29:52,013
Speaker 2: dam then, was she?

535
00:29:52,093 --> 00:29:52,253
Speaker 4: No?

536
00:29:52,253 --> 00:29:56,253
Speaker 2: No, she wasn't. She walked in into the yard. The

537
00:29:56,293 --> 00:29:58,333
Speaker 2: first thing she did was stop and look at me,

538
00:29:58,493 --> 00:30:02,893
Speaker 2: what are you doing here? That would be right too, exactly.

539
00:30:03,693 --> 00:30:05,293
Speaker 2: But the other thing I was just say about Helen

540
00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:07,773
Speaker 2: Clake is that she she was a person of her word.

541
00:30:08,573 --> 00:30:11,253
Speaker 2: When I did the when I was doing the television

542
00:30:11,293 --> 00:30:15,893
Speaker 2: program Weekly TV show on Sky. She promised that she

543
00:30:15,973 --> 00:30:19,173
Speaker 2: would come and do an interview if she won the election.

544
00:30:19,853 --> 00:30:22,053
Speaker 2: So she won the election on the Saturday. The program

545
00:30:22,053 --> 00:30:27,053
Speaker 2: but out on Monday Live and she arrived in time.

546
00:30:28,013 --> 00:30:30,493
Speaker 2: Wasn't there at the beginning, but she arrived in time.

547
00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:34,253
Speaker 2: And I had admiration for her doing that, because she

548
00:30:34,253 --> 00:30:35,813
Speaker 2: had every reason in the world to say, I'm sorry,

549
00:30:36,453 --> 00:30:39,333
Speaker 2: ye I'm not going to drive down about Wellington blah,

550
00:30:39,373 --> 00:30:41,613
Speaker 2: and she didn't. She lived up to her word. So

551
00:30:41,653 --> 00:30:44,893
Speaker 2: I've always well, I've always utilized that to try and

552
00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:45,893
Speaker 2: balance my opinion.

553
00:30:46,293 --> 00:30:48,893
Speaker 3: Well, look, I quite like the idea that I banned

554
00:30:48,933 --> 00:30:51,853
Speaker 3: her anyway, because it actually suits me. But she was

555
00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:54,413
Speaker 3: a very big customer way before she was Prime Minister.

556
00:30:54,453 --> 00:30:59,773
Speaker 3: And she's come on with Jeffrey Palmer whoever was Zara

557
00:30:59,853 --> 00:31:01,293
Speaker 3: at the time, and they I used to get the

558
00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:03,493
Speaker 3: boys to actually, can't listen to what they're talking about,

559
00:31:03,533 --> 00:31:08,693
Speaker 3: just so I knew what was happening. And she it

560
00:31:08,773 --> 00:31:11,973
Speaker 3: was a very good customer. But funnily enough, Dane caf

561
00:31:12,853 --> 00:31:16,573
Speaker 3: became she was a very good customer. But the people

562
00:31:16,813 --> 00:31:19,573
Speaker 3: that were close to Helen and I won't mention their names,

563
00:31:19,573 --> 00:31:22,693
Speaker 3: but they got so angry that mister Tizzard used to

564
00:31:22,693 --> 00:31:24,813
Speaker 3: bring all his girlfriends to Antoine's and so well, it's

565
00:31:24,853 --> 00:31:26,533
Speaker 3: nothing to do with me. I don't care a damn

566
00:31:26,533 --> 00:31:28,533
Speaker 3: who he brings. You know, it doesn't matter who was that,

567
00:31:29,333 --> 00:31:33,813
Speaker 3: you know, the Dame's Dame Cass's husband Tis. He was

568
00:31:33,813 --> 00:31:37,653
Speaker 3: a Labor MP anyway, But I think it was probably

569
00:31:37,733 --> 00:31:42,373
Speaker 3: Judith that got angry that that I allowed him into Antoinees.

570
00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:45,053
Speaker 3: I thought, well, at that time the Labor Party hadn't

571
00:31:45,093 --> 00:31:47,613
Speaker 3: been into power for very because Norman Kirk was the

572
00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:50,853
Speaker 3: Prime Minister when we took over and when they when

573
00:31:50,893 --> 00:31:54,013
Speaker 3: they the Labor Party were in power. You've never seen

574
00:31:54,053 --> 00:31:57,253
Speaker 3: more government cars outside Antoinees in your life. It was

575
00:31:57,253 --> 00:32:00,213
Speaker 3: actually the lolly shop. I tell you, they knew how

576
00:32:00,213 --> 00:32:04,333
Speaker 3: to spend money. But later when the National Party came,

577
00:32:04,373 --> 00:32:07,013
Speaker 3: you never ever saw a government car outside because they

578
00:32:07,013 --> 00:32:08,933
Speaker 3: would just be dropped off and gone because it wasn't

579
00:32:08,973 --> 00:32:12,013
Speaker 3: a good look, you know. But who was the man

580
00:32:12,093 --> 00:32:14,853
Speaker 3: who was a big man from down from down south

581
00:32:16,053 --> 00:32:21,293
Speaker 3: out east west Henderson, Jonathan Hunt. He was one of

582
00:32:21,293 --> 00:32:24,453
Speaker 3: the biggest and best customers Antoines ever saw.

583
00:32:24,613 --> 00:32:27,093
Speaker 2: Minister and cheese. He was at lock.

584
00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:28,933
Speaker 3: He was a neat person and we had a lot

585
00:32:28,933 --> 00:32:29,573
Speaker 3: of fun with him.

586
00:32:29,613 --> 00:32:34,973
Speaker 4: But and like so was God.

587
00:32:35,093 --> 00:32:37,013
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to who's the other big prime minister?

588
00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:40,973
Speaker 3: That key He's never a big he was a big

589
00:32:41,013 --> 00:32:42,853
Speaker 3: PRIMI was not a large person.

590
00:32:43,493 --> 00:32:44,893
Speaker 2: I was. I was thinking of a big in a

591
00:32:44,933 --> 00:32:47,173
Speaker 2: different way. I'm I'm taking that.

592
00:32:47,293 --> 00:32:51,493
Speaker 3: David Longer, he was a huge customer everywhere Antoine had

593
00:32:51,533 --> 00:32:53,933
Speaker 3: as we Tommy Tuck and then he stopped eating, which

594
00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:54,613
Speaker 3: was quite nice.

595
00:32:54,653 --> 00:32:57,893
Speaker 2: But so the labor farty was huge. But it isn't

596
00:32:57,973 --> 00:33:01,293
Speaker 2: interesting that that socialists know how to spend other people's money.

597
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:04,333
Speaker 2: Unbelievable because it all would have been on oh totally.

598
00:33:04,813 --> 00:33:04,973
Speaker 4: You know.

599
00:33:05,013 --> 00:33:07,933
Speaker 3: In that car for Jonathan there was a government car

600
00:33:07,933 --> 00:33:09,813
Speaker 3: and he lived miles away and they just sat out

601
00:33:09,813 --> 00:33:11,613
Speaker 3: there all night. And because he would stay until two

602
00:33:11,653 --> 00:33:14,773
Speaker 3: or three in the morning, after the licensing hours, I

603
00:33:14,853 --> 00:33:16,573
Speaker 3: might say, so the way even the people have made

604
00:33:16,613 --> 00:33:20,013
Speaker 3: the laws broke them. Who was the most interesting, the

605
00:33:20,053 --> 00:33:23,773
Speaker 3: most interesting customer you ever had? I think probably Elton

606
00:33:23,853 --> 00:33:26,253
Speaker 3: John but I became quite a good friend of his

607
00:33:26,413 --> 00:33:29,813
Speaker 3: in there. But the other one was the other one

608
00:33:29,853 --> 00:33:31,893
Speaker 3: was Rod Stewart. I mean those two were they were

609
00:33:31,893 --> 00:33:34,653
Speaker 3: just bad boys really, But I think if probably Elton

610
00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:37,013
Speaker 3: came now, he'd deny everything he ever did at Antoines,

611
00:33:37,053 --> 00:33:39,573
Speaker 3: because you know, he's now happily married with children and

612
00:33:40,813 --> 00:33:43,133
Speaker 3: things have changed slightly, and I think we should go

613
00:33:43,213 --> 00:33:44,093
Speaker 3: into too much of.

614
00:33:44,093 --> 00:33:45,533
Speaker 2: That everything he ever did.

615
00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:51,613
Speaker 3: Okay, But also actually Prince Philip was a fantastic customer,

616
00:33:52,013 --> 00:33:53,453
Speaker 3: you know, and he has a bit of a reputation.

617
00:33:53,653 --> 00:33:56,293
Speaker 3: I never saw that side of him, but because Doug

618
00:33:56,373 --> 00:33:58,413
Speaker 3: Myers was a huge customer of Antoines, and of course

619
00:33:58,413 --> 00:34:01,053
Speaker 3: they had charities together, and so he was in New

620
00:34:01,093 --> 00:34:03,373
Speaker 3: Zealand quite a lot without people even knowing it was here,

621
00:34:03,373 --> 00:34:06,013
Speaker 3: and he either would come to Antoine' or I'd go

622
00:34:06,053 --> 00:34:09,813
Speaker 3: to the Meyers house and cook what they were doing.

623
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:13,173
Speaker 2: Did Charles ever come in? No, he didn't actually be lucky.

624
00:34:14,293 --> 00:34:18,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I probably am, but it's we had.

625
00:34:18,453 --> 00:34:21,333
Speaker 3: I did cook for Prince Edward up the road, you know,

626
00:34:21,533 --> 00:34:23,613
Speaker 3: from my house, just up the road he because I

627
00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:26,213
Speaker 3: think he went to wang was it Wangani Collegiate or

628
00:34:26,213 --> 00:34:30,533
Speaker 3: was he somewhere and people that he was with anyway,

629
00:34:30,573 --> 00:34:32,253
Speaker 3: they had parties and I used to cook for him.

630
00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:34,933
Speaker 3: But I was really upset that we didn't get the

631
00:34:35,013 --> 00:34:37,053
Speaker 3: queen because she they had booked I mean that was

632
00:34:37,133 --> 00:34:40,413
Speaker 3: six months in advance, and they'd never bought if their

633
00:34:40,693 --> 00:34:44,093
Speaker 3: equerries and all the travel people with them to a restaurant,

634
00:34:44,733 --> 00:34:47,533
Speaker 3: and so they booked into Antoines and you know, had

635
00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:51,133
Speaker 3: signed declarations. He won't tell anyone. Well, the week before

636
00:34:51,173 --> 00:34:52,973
Speaker 3: she came, you've never seen so many police on the

637
00:34:53,013 --> 00:34:55,093
Speaker 3: roof of Antoin's. It was obviously, you know, I didn't

638
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:58,573
Speaker 3: have to break break the pack they were. They were

639
00:34:58,573 --> 00:35:01,293
Speaker 3: there waiting to organize the restaurant. But she did she

640
00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:04,333
Speaker 3: got food, poisoning it down at the one of the

641
00:35:04,373 --> 00:35:05,253
Speaker 3: cocktail parties.

642
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:07,133
Speaker 2: So she never arrived.

643
00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:10,413
Speaker 3: But Prince Philip brought the twelve other people in and

644
00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:12,373
Speaker 3: they were all it was quite amazing because they all

645
00:35:12,453 --> 00:35:15,213
Speaker 3: dressed up in there. It was just neat and it

646
00:35:15,253 --> 00:35:18,093
Speaker 3: was you know, that was pretty special, I think. But

647
00:35:18,133 --> 00:35:19,533
Speaker 3: if she had a come and say, it would have

648
00:35:19,573 --> 00:35:20,973
Speaker 3: been much easier. I could have had the coat of

649
00:35:21,053 --> 00:35:22,573
Speaker 3: arms on the door if she had done there. But

650
00:35:22,933 --> 00:35:24,813
Speaker 3: she didn't go, so I didn't get the coat of arm.

651
00:35:24,893 --> 00:35:27,493
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that I first learned was

652
00:35:28,453 --> 00:35:30,693
Speaker 2: keeping in mind that I'd arrived in Auckland in the

653
00:35:30,773 --> 00:35:37,373
Speaker 2: in the mid eighties, was that the racing fraternity patronized Antoine's,

654
00:35:38,573 --> 00:35:43,613
Speaker 2: particularly of course around sale time totally, so that we're

655
00:35:43,613 --> 00:35:47,973
Speaker 2: talking January essentially earlier in the year. Did you put

656
00:35:48,013 --> 00:35:49,693
Speaker 2: anything in the book about that? No, I did.

657
00:35:50,213 --> 00:35:52,053
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the next one. Some great stories for

658
00:35:52,093 --> 00:35:52,333
Speaker 3: that one.

659
00:35:52,373 --> 00:35:53,853
Speaker 2: I might follow up.

660
00:35:53,893 --> 00:35:56,413
Speaker 3: Well, now that i've this one's going quite well, I

661
00:35:56,493 --> 00:35:59,333
Speaker 3: thought I might. And I think i'll use everyone's names

662
00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:00,853
Speaker 3: this time, because I look, I'm too old to be

663
00:36:00,973 --> 00:36:03,013
Speaker 3: so now. And if I go to jail, I'll keep

664
00:36:03,053 --> 00:36:05,333
Speaker 3: my free meal, and I'll get my get my shower,

665
00:36:05,333 --> 00:36:07,773
Speaker 3: and I'll probably end up in the kitchen saving everyone

666
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:11,573
Speaker 3: bad food. Anyway, I think i'll get it published in China,

667
00:36:11,613 --> 00:36:13,253
Speaker 3: because no one's going to go to China and see

668
00:36:13,533 --> 00:36:14,693
Speaker 3: because they won't listen to you.

669
00:36:14,933 --> 00:36:18,253
Speaker 2: Well, you've got to publish it in English. Maybe not

670
00:36:18,773 --> 00:36:22,373
Speaker 2: a lot of my coustlers were Chinese. Now, I mentioned

671
00:36:22,533 --> 00:36:27,013
Speaker 2: the racing fraternity because because I had fairly fairly strong

672
00:36:27,053 --> 00:36:30,853
Speaker 2: connections with it in those Australian and racing fraternity in

673
00:36:30,893 --> 00:36:33,253
Speaker 2: those days. And I'm looking at the book up there

674
00:36:33,773 --> 00:36:38,693
Speaker 2: on next to mine on the left, so I'm looking

675
00:36:38,733 --> 00:36:41,653
Speaker 2: at a book of a book on gay Waterhouse up there,

676
00:36:42,213 --> 00:36:46,613
Speaker 2: which is a treasure of mine, because not that I

677
00:36:46,653 --> 00:36:48,653
Speaker 2: got to mention in it, apart from one of the

678
00:36:48,733 --> 00:36:51,133
Speaker 2: one of the two other Rowmers referring to a horse

679
00:36:51,173 --> 00:36:55,413
Speaker 2: called Pharaoh. She brought us, she brought us fortune, and well,

680
00:36:56,173 --> 00:37:00,053
Speaker 2: yeah fortune, it was in those days. And you know

681
00:37:00,093 --> 00:37:02,693
Speaker 2: that race was worth a million dollars. The non Caster

682
00:37:03,053 --> 00:37:06,773
Speaker 2: is now worth at least three last time I looked. Anyway,

683
00:37:07,053 --> 00:37:11,053
Speaker 2: while we're on the subject of celebrities of different kinds

684
00:37:11,813 --> 00:37:15,733
Speaker 2: movie actors, you have there's two other books right next

685
00:37:15,773 --> 00:37:20,173
Speaker 2: to it, one from Charlton Heston. One Charlton Heston's book

686
00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:24,813
Speaker 2: did him in ninety six, and next to it is

687
00:37:24,893 --> 00:37:28,333
Speaker 2: Roger Moore and that that was around the same time,

688
00:37:28,573 --> 00:37:32,413
Speaker 2: ninety six, because I used to get them to sign

689
00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:35,853
Speaker 2: it and put a date on it, and Charlton Heston didn't.

690
00:37:35,853 --> 00:37:39,653
Speaker 2: But Roger Moore, did you met him on a concord flight?

691
00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:42,733
Speaker 2: I did, indeed, one of your many concord flights.

692
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:43,533
Speaker 4: Yeah.

693
00:37:43,533 --> 00:37:46,053
Speaker 3: I don't know how I got on those. I don't

694
00:37:46,053 --> 00:37:48,413
Speaker 3: know where. The tax department they were very kind. That

695
00:37:48,493 --> 00:37:50,933
Speaker 3: was the problem. It was definitely business. That was not

696
00:37:50,933 --> 00:37:53,733
Speaker 3: a problem. Well at least she went on the last one. No, Luckily,

697
00:37:53,933 --> 00:37:55,693
Speaker 3: I think probably a lot of people would have whisht

698
00:37:55,693 --> 00:38:00,013
Speaker 3: I was, but oh, I think we could outweigh them.

699
00:38:00,213 --> 00:38:02,813
Speaker 3: So you tell the little story about meeting Roger Moore.

700
00:38:02,893 --> 00:38:05,333
Speaker 3: Actually it was hilarious because Beth would never fly next

701
00:38:05,333 --> 00:38:09,013
Speaker 3: to me in the plan. She was more and she so,

702
00:38:09,213 --> 00:38:10,973
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting next to you because you drink too

703
00:38:11,053 --> 00:38:12,453
Speaker 3: much and I'm just not going to put up with

704
00:38:12,493 --> 00:38:14,173
Speaker 3: all that. So she had always sit one in front,

705
00:38:14,293 --> 00:38:16,093
Speaker 3: or if it was two way too one a one

706
00:38:16,133 --> 00:38:17,853
Speaker 3: b or as long as she didn't sit next to me,

707
00:38:17,893 --> 00:38:20,253
Speaker 3: she was quite happy. But on the concord, of course,

708
00:38:20,253 --> 00:38:23,053
Speaker 3: there were only two two two all the way up,

709
00:38:23,733 --> 00:38:26,453
Speaker 3: so she got booked on the one in front of me,

710
00:38:26,533 --> 00:38:29,853
Speaker 3: so there was a seat beside me and her. But anyway,

711
00:38:29,893 --> 00:38:32,293
Speaker 3: I was just sitting there having whatever I was having,

712
00:38:32,293 --> 00:38:34,053
Speaker 3: probably a glass of crew because I think it's what

713
00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:38,093
Speaker 3: they poured at the time, and next person sits next

714
00:38:38,093 --> 00:38:39,293
Speaker 3: to him and I sort of looked at him and

715
00:38:39,293 --> 00:38:41,773
Speaker 3: he sort of said, oh, hello, and I said, oh,

716
00:38:41,893 --> 00:38:47,053
Speaker 3: you're the saint, and he excuse me, how old are you? Anyway,

717
00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:49,493
Speaker 3: So we were sitting there, we started chatting and he said, oh,

718
00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:50,773
Speaker 3: what do you do? I said, I'm a cook in

719
00:38:50,853 --> 00:38:52,733
Speaker 3: New Zealand and all that, so I didn't tell him

720
00:38:52,733 --> 00:38:55,613
Speaker 3: too much. But anyway, the person that was traveling with

721
00:38:55,693 --> 00:38:58,213
Speaker 3: him was sitting office and he said, who the hell

722
00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:00,013
Speaker 3: are you talking to? He said, oh, some cook from

723
00:39:00,093 --> 00:39:02,893
Speaker 3: New Zealand. And he said he must be a fucking

724
00:39:02,893 --> 00:39:05,453
Speaker 3: good one if he could afford to be hod Would

725
00:39:05,493 --> 00:39:08,653
Speaker 3: you like to rephrase that? Well, it's quite common with

726
00:39:08,853 --> 00:39:11,573
Speaker 3: these days later and I'm sorry, okay, I'm just quoting

727
00:39:11,853 --> 00:39:14,613
Speaker 3: and fair enough. Anyway, he did could come to the rithma.

728
00:39:14,693 --> 00:39:16,413
Speaker 2: It wasn't that long after what well.

729
00:39:16,453 --> 00:39:18,893
Speaker 3: I gave him my card and he said, oh, if

730
00:39:18,933 --> 00:39:20,653
Speaker 3: I have companies as I'll come and see.

731
00:39:20,653 --> 00:39:21,733
Speaker 2: I said like, yeah, right whatever.

732
00:39:22,133 --> 00:39:24,573
Speaker 3: Anyway, one day the doorbell rang and I happened to

733
00:39:24,613 --> 00:39:26,733
Speaker 3: go to the door and I answered he hadn't didn't

734
00:39:26,773 --> 00:39:28,413
Speaker 3: have a book, and someone else did, but he was

735
00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:31,133
Speaker 3: with them and I opened the door and I said,

736
00:39:31,333 --> 00:39:35,813
Speaker 3: good god. He said, you are a cook. I had

737
00:39:35,853 --> 00:39:37,533
Speaker 3: a cook. So he came in and had dinner. We

738
00:39:37,573 --> 00:39:39,573
Speaker 3: had had a great time. It was fantastic.

739
00:39:39,653 --> 00:39:41,933
Speaker 2: He knew which which restaurant you were at? Yeah, well

740
00:39:41,973 --> 00:39:45,413
Speaker 2: he had my card. But of course there was something

741
00:39:45,453 --> 00:39:48,533
Speaker 2: else that I read in the book with regard to

742
00:39:49,453 --> 00:39:54,173
Speaker 2: people who sought highly of themselves but arrived but without

743
00:39:54,293 --> 00:39:58,933
Speaker 2: without a booking and sort of expected or even demanded

744
00:39:59,053 --> 00:40:01,773
Speaker 2: a seat when you were four. Was that was that

745
00:40:01,853 --> 00:40:05,013
Speaker 2: antrance or was that somewhere else? Well, we had people

746
00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:07,093
Speaker 2: that did knock on it at all, if ever feeling

747
00:40:07,093 --> 00:40:09,813
Speaker 2: it might have been somewhere in Wellington, Well it could

748
00:40:09,853 --> 00:40:10,093
Speaker 2: have been.

749
00:40:10,453 --> 00:40:13,333
Speaker 3: But like we had a doorbell, so you couldn't just

750
00:40:13,413 --> 00:40:15,453
Speaker 3: walk in, so you had to ring the doorbell. Beth

751
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:17,133
Speaker 3: was actually the worst. Once you're going to the door,

752
00:40:17,133 --> 00:40:18,493
Speaker 3: and if you didn't have a booking and you weren't

753
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:22,093
Speaker 3: dressed properly, you just sort of look at your toes,

754
00:40:22,093 --> 00:40:24,733
Speaker 3: looked at your heads as sorry, we're full, I mean,

755
00:40:24,773 --> 00:40:29,733
Speaker 3: but we we you know, even though you know, dress

756
00:40:29,773 --> 00:40:33,333
Speaker 3: standards are totally different in restaurants today, but in those days,

757
00:40:33,333 --> 00:40:35,613
Speaker 3: most of our customers dressed up. But like when you

758
00:40:35,693 --> 00:40:38,093
Speaker 3: used to get on plane, you dress up, but you

759
00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:41,293
Speaker 3: don't arrive at a but younger people they were younger

760
00:40:41,293 --> 00:40:43,853
Speaker 3: people would arrive in shorts and jandles, or the boys

761
00:40:43,893 --> 00:40:45,653
Speaker 3: would and the girls were all dressed up, and best

762
00:40:45,653 --> 00:40:48,493
Speaker 3: would just say sorry, you can't come in, because there

763
00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:50,213
Speaker 3: were people that had been to opera or something that

764
00:40:50,253 --> 00:40:52,693
Speaker 3: were sitting there in dinner suits. But you just don't

765
00:40:52,733 --> 00:40:55,933
Speaker 3: bring someone in like a singlet or a T shirt

766
00:40:56,013 --> 00:40:58,053
Speaker 3: or whatever, into a restaurant at nighttime.

767
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:00,613
Speaker 2: Sorry, you just don't do it. Well, I wouldn't let

768
00:41:00,653 --> 00:41:01,413
Speaker 2: them in at any time.

769
00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:03,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I got a lot of restaurants now,

770
00:41:03,533 --> 00:41:05,933
Speaker 3: and I'm quite shocked at how people do dress.

771
00:41:05,973 --> 00:41:07,653
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not hard to put a shirt on.

772
00:41:07,773 --> 00:41:10,693
Speaker 2: Is it really so much gender on planes?

773
00:41:10,853 --> 00:41:11,093
Speaker 4: Yeah?

774
00:41:11,133 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 2: Here he am pets on men.

775
00:41:13,973 --> 00:41:15,173
Speaker 3: That's why you go first class?

776
00:41:15,253 --> 00:41:15,453
Speaker 4: Lad?

777
00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:17,013
Speaker 2: Who goes first class?

778
00:41:17,133 --> 00:41:18,973
Speaker 3: I'm sure you do, don't you. I mean, why would

779
00:41:19,013 --> 00:41:21,413
Speaker 3: you actually going the other way, save up longer and

780
00:41:21,413 --> 00:41:22,173
Speaker 3: get a bit of trip.

781
00:41:22,533 --> 00:41:25,533
Speaker 2: It's interesting because if he has gone through the roof

782
00:41:26,013 --> 00:41:30,253
Speaker 2: and not having not having the same sort of income

783
00:41:30,293 --> 00:41:34,693
Speaker 2: that I once did, it's it's a bit restrictive, it is.

784
00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,053
Speaker 3: And look, I've even noticed I have been traveling a

785
00:41:37,093 --> 00:41:40,893
Speaker 3: lot lately, but I've just noticed some when we like

786
00:41:41,053 --> 00:41:45,293
Speaker 3: pre COVID, for instance, you know, you could get around

787
00:41:45,333 --> 00:41:48,533
Speaker 3: the world well, from New Zealand to New Zealand through

788
00:41:48,613 --> 00:41:54,373
Speaker 3: Europe for about seven thousand, five hundred business class. Now

789
00:41:54,373 --> 00:41:56,493
Speaker 3: it's about twelve to fourteen or ten if.

790
00:41:56,373 --> 00:42:01,093
Speaker 2: You I don't enough. I was looking yesterday for appropriate reasons.

791
00:42:01,253 --> 00:42:07,093
Speaker 2: Emirates is twelve something. Yep, twelve and a half. You're

792
00:42:07,173 --> 00:42:09,773
Speaker 2: pretty much on the button. I mean you can go on.

793
00:42:10,813 --> 00:42:13,533
Speaker 3: I just recently got one which was quite amazing really,

794
00:42:13,573 --> 00:42:16,893
Speaker 3: which was eight five and that was on Singapore Lines only,

795
00:42:16,933 --> 00:42:19,333
Speaker 3: but that was a special and it was a late

796
00:42:19,373 --> 00:42:21,133
Speaker 3: booking actually, and I managed to get on that, so

797
00:42:21,213 --> 00:42:24,133
Speaker 3: that was good. That was the last trip it was. However,

798
00:42:24,173 --> 00:42:26,533
Speaker 3: I tried to go with thinking of going to India

799
00:42:26,613 --> 00:42:30,613
Speaker 3: and Old this year, and that's about a twelve or fourteen.

800
00:42:30,653 --> 00:42:33,413
Speaker 3: I think, ah, no, I want it's getting a bit

801
00:42:33,453 --> 00:42:34,253
Speaker 3: over the top.

802
00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:37,253
Speaker 2: Have you been to Shri Lanka? No, I haven't. Actually

803
00:42:37,413 --> 00:42:38,053
Speaker 2: lovely place.

804
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:39,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is well.

805
00:42:39,773 --> 00:42:41,733
Speaker 3: And we went on a private sort of a private

806
00:42:41,773 --> 00:42:43,733
Speaker 3: tour of India. And I was expecting because I'm not

807
00:42:43,773 --> 00:42:47,653
Speaker 3: a great Indian food eater. But we went on one recently,

808
00:42:47,693 --> 00:42:50,213
Speaker 3: just three of us and we did a private tour

809
00:42:50,253 --> 00:42:53,413
Speaker 3: and tell you what, I just absolutely loved every minute

810
00:42:53,453 --> 00:42:56,613
Speaker 3: of it. The people were amazingly well, there's a middle

811
00:42:56,653 --> 00:42:58,693
Speaker 3: class now that you cannot believe. I mean, there's a

812
00:42:58,773 --> 00:43:01,173
Speaker 3: lot of money there, but it's also poverty obviously, but

813
00:43:02,653 --> 00:43:04,613
Speaker 3: it's I don't think it's as bad as it used

814
00:43:04,613 --> 00:43:06,613
Speaker 3: to be, but it is quite quite amazing. But the

815
00:43:06,653 --> 00:43:10,413
Speaker 3: people are just unbelievably fantastic. And I mean some of

816
00:43:10,413 --> 00:43:12,813
Speaker 3: the food's a bit dodgy, I think, but if you're

817
00:43:12,853 --> 00:43:14,493
Speaker 3: staying in the right places, you're not going to get

818
00:43:14,493 --> 00:43:15,133
Speaker 3: sick anyway.

819
00:43:16,133 --> 00:43:20,373
Speaker 2: Talk to me about food prep algorithms. Oh, this is

820
00:43:20,413 --> 00:43:21,333
Speaker 2: my I don't know.

821
00:43:21,453 --> 00:43:23,373
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about algorithms.

822
00:43:23,453 --> 00:43:26,533
Speaker 2: Well neither did I until I'm better than the book.

823
00:43:27,253 --> 00:43:29,053
Speaker 3: So what we're trying to do, and it's a bit

824
00:43:29,093 --> 00:43:31,333
Speaker 3: of it's a bit of a shame really because we

825
00:43:32,333 --> 00:43:36,133
Speaker 3: callahan are a company in New Zealand that actually do

826
00:43:36,453 --> 00:43:39,533
Speaker 3: start up for new things. And I had been well

827
00:43:39,573 --> 00:43:42,373
Speaker 3: I hadn't been, but someone else had been reading about algorithms.

828
00:43:42,373 --> 00:43:44,213
Speaker 3: But so it's like when you have your Toyota and

829
00:43:44,533 --> 00:43:46,613
Speaker 3: they put a plug and they know exactly what's wrong

830
00:43:46,653 --> 00:43:48,773
Speaker 3: with it. You can do that with food. It's not

831
00:43:49,013 --> 00:43:52,053
Speaker 3: happening here, which I hope it's going to. If you

832
00:43:52,133 --> 00:43:56,013
Speaker 3: have a like a class of students and you've got

833
00:43:56,053 --> 00:43:58,133
Speaker 3: ten of them and you give them a recipe save

834
00:43:58,253 --> 00:44:02,133
Speaker 3: for a volute sauce or something. Every one of those people,

835
00:44:02,133 --> 00:44:03,893
Speaker 3: even though the recipe is written in front of them,

836
00:44:03,893 --> 00:44:05,813
Speaker 3: every one of them will do something wrong, like it'll

837
00:44:05,813 --> 00:44:09,493
Speaker 3: be grainyer or be salty or But if you do

838
00:44:09,533 --> 00:44:12,133
Speaker 3: an algorithm, they think you would have a probe and

839
00:44:12,173 --> 00:44:14,613
Speaker 3: you'd just poke it into there and that would tell

840
00:44:14,653 --> 00:44:17,333
Speaker 3: you that you've got cooking the flower too long. Were

841
00:44:17,373 --> 00:44:20,093
Speaker 3: you're doing this, it will actually do that. The aut

842
00:44:20,493 --> 00:44:22,133
Speaker 3: got a bit nervous. I think they thought they were

843
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:24,493
Speaker 3: going to lose all their tutors everything. I thought they

844
00:44:24,493 --> 00:44:24,893
Speaker 3: were going.

845
00:44:24,733 --> 00:44:25,573
Speaker 2: To lose their jobs.

846
00:44:25,613 --> 00:44:28,773
Speaker 3: But it doesn't work that way. I think, look, I'm

847
00:44:29,373 --> 00:44:32,253
Speaker 3: Callahana wanting to do it, but it costs a lot

848
00:44:32,293 --> 00:44:34,293
Speaker 3: of money to actually get it going. But look, I'd

849
00:44:34,293 --> 00:44:36,613
Speaker 3: be so excited of that, Like I could do my

850
00:44:36,693 --> 00:44:39,813
Speaker 3: orange sauce for instant. Every single time, you would know

851
00:44:39,893 --> 00:44:41,653
Speaker 3: it was going to be done perfectly because it tells

852
00:44:41,653 --> 00:44:44,173
Speaker 3: you the acidity taus you've done. I mean, it's all

853
00:44:44,213 --> 00:44:48,253
Speaker 3: a bit above me, but apparently it's in Europe is happening,

854
00:44:48,893 --> 00:44:50,133
Speaker 3: so why not let it happen here.

855
00:44:50,253 --> 00:44:51,813
Speaker 2: You know, they're making such a big fuss at the

856
00:44:51,813 --> 00:44:54,093
Speaker 2: moment about AI and this is a form of it.

857
00:44:54,173 --> 00:44:54,373
Speaker 4: Yep.

858
00:44:55,573 --> 00:44:58,653
Speaker 2: And I read again only this morning something along AI

859
00:44:58,973 --> 00:45:04,093
Speaker 2: and was to do with the deprivation of brain development

860
00:45:04,173 --> 00:45:08,013
Speaker 2: and thinking yep, because you don't have to anymore, because

861
00:45:08,013 --> 00:45:10,613
Speaker 2: you can get it all done through AI. And so

862
00:45:11,773 --> 00:45:14,853
Speaker 2: the you could say, you could argue that there is

863
00:45:15,373 --> 00:45:17,893
Speaker 2: or should be concerned about the actual IQ of a

864
00:45:17,933 --> 00:45:22,013
Speaker 2: country or a community or an individual dropping over a

865
00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:27,173
Speaker 2: period of time because you don't have to critical thinking

866
00:45:27,293 --> 00:45:30,533
Speaker 2: was what I think. It was anchored to critical thinking.

867
00:45:31,653 --> 00:45:34,333
Speaker 2: And while it's while it's got lots of use obviously

868
00:45:34,453 --> 00:45:38,573
Speaker 2: AI it concerns me about where where people will end up.

869
00:45:38,653 --> 00:45:41,733
Speaker 3: Well, it's probably it's perfect for dumbing down, isn't it?

870
00:45:41,773 --> 00:45:43,373
Speaker 3: Getting the masses through what you told?

871
00:45:43,773 --> 00:45:46,333
Speaker 2: Well, so you've summarized it beautifully.

872
00:45:46,533 --> 00:45:48,733
Speaker 3: I actually I got so excited about this that I

873
00:45:49,173 --> 00:45:51,413
Speaker 3: you know, I'm Bud, the old cook. As people say,

874
00:45:51,453 --> 00:45:53,893
Speaker 3: you're just an old cook. But when you start reading

875
00:45:53,933 --> 00:45:56,573
Speaker 3: about things, and I mean at the moment at au

876
00:45:56,613 --> 00:45:58,133
Speaker 3: t and I spend a lot of time there at

877
00:45:58,133 --> 00:46:00,573
Speaker 3: the moment as a mentor, but you seek going to

878
00:46:00,613 --> 00:46:01,213
Speaker 3: a class.

879
00:46:01,333 --> 00:46:02,853
Speaker 2: Every one of those kids.

880
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:07,253
Speaker 3: Are on their phone dialing up a recipe, you know,

881
00:46:07,293 --> 00:46:09,893
Speaker 3: to make sure they're doing it. So why not have

882
00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:11,893
Speaker 3: a little probe that you could get in there and

883
00:46:11,933 --> 00:46:14,453
Speaker 3: do it. That's it's not going to take any jobs.

884
00:46:14,613 --> 00:46:16,333
Speaker 3: In fact, it's going to make the food even better

885
00:46:16,453 --> 00:46:19,653
Speaker 3: because every you know, especially in a restaurant, you know,

886
00:46:19,733 --> 00:46:21,693
Speaker 3: you have a chef that disappears if you're not the

887
00:46:21,853 --> 00:46:25,053
Speaker 3: chef yourself, and suddenly he leaves and you get a

888
00:46:25,093 --> 00:46:27,573
Speaker 3: new one, and so you go there and have the

889
00:46:27,653 --> 00:46:29,973
Speaker 3: duck and orange and next time this isn't the one

890
00:46:30,013 --> 00:46:32,173
Speaker 3: you normally have. It means you'll be able to do

891
00:46:32,213 --> 00:46:34,733
Speaker 3: and always keep your standard up, which I think is

892
00:46:34,773 --> 00:46:35,293
Speaker 3: a good thing.

893
00:46:35,813 --> 00:46:38,533
Speaker 2: Okay, it might be good. What about looking at it

894
00:46:38,573 --> 00:46:43,493
Speaker 2: this way? And twines was el suprimo in Auckland forever?

895
00:46:44,453 --> 00:46:47,853
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Yep, depends what you talk to.

896
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:48,293
Speaker 4: Of course.

897
00:46:51,733 --> 00:46:54,453
Speaker 2: Question is what happens when everyone's an end once? Well,

898
00:46:54,493 --> 00:46:55,853
Speaker 2: that is a problem that we've had.

899
00:46:56,173 --> 00:46:58,373
Speaker 3: I knew, I just knew you were going to say that,

900
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:01,973
Speaker 3: But then I suddenly thought, well, okay, well then I

901
00:47:01,973 --> 00:47:04,933
Speaker 3: ask because so many restaurants are falling over the mode

902
00:47:04,973 --> 00:47:07,453
Speaker 3: I own them all then, won't I But anyway, that's

903
00:47:08,533 --> 00:47:12,933
Speaker 3: you are right, but it's still yeah, but there still

904
00:47:12,973 --> 00:47:15,973
Speaker 3: has to be individuals people doing things. I mean, no

905
00:47:15,973 --> 00:47:18,693
Speaker 3: one just wants to have blood the old Antoine's food

906
00:47:18,733 --> 00:47:20,733
Speaker 3: in their restaurant. But I mean you could if you

907
00:47:20,813 --> 00:47:23,213
Speaker 3: go to all the restaurants now, especially with all you know,

908
00:47:23,253 --> 00:47:25,933
Speaker 3: they play around with things that whatever ever happened to

909
00:47:25,973 --> 00:47:27,693
Speaker 3: the main the hero of the plate.

910
00:47:27,773 --> 00:47:29,533
Speaker 2: Now you get did I order lamb?

911
00:47:29,533 --> 00:47:31,173
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, there's a little bit over there. But then

912
00:47:31,173 --> 00:47:33,853
Speaker 3: you've got all these little painting things, and you've got froths,

913
00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:37,413
Speaker 3: and you've got god knows what else on. So you know,

914
00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:40,493
Speaker 3: I mean, you go to it something and I won't

915
00:47:40,533 --> 00:47:43,293
Speaker 3: mention the restaurant, but you go to about three top ones.

916
00:47:44,173 --> 00:47:46,493
Speaker 3: You think they're all the same because they will obviously

917
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:51,053
Speaker 3: read the same books. But it's it's happening already. But

918
00:47:51,733 --> 00:47:54,653
Speaker 3: you know, I'm now I'm now doing it with Kerry.

919
00:47:54,733 --> 00:47:59,573
Speaker 3: I'm doing a every week where I ate last and

920
00:47:59,613 --> 00:48:03,093
Speaker 3: it's interesting going to the restaurants to see what happens.

921
00:48:03,133 --> 00:48:06,093
Speaker 3: So you become a reviewer, yes sort of mind you

922
00:48:06,213 --> 00:48:10,613
Speaker 3: someone I saw somewhere on on whatever one of those platforms.

923
00:48:11,733 --> 00:48:13,653
Speaker 3: What right do you have to go What right do

924
00:48:13,733 --> 00:48:16,973
Speaker 3: you have to go and review a restaurant? I mean,

925
00:48:17,413 --> 00:48:19,693
Speaker 3: I thought, well, I thought, sixty five years of cooking

926
00:48:20,173 --> 00:48:21,853
Speaker 3: you might know a little bit about it. I could

927
00:48:22,213 --> 00:48:25,133
Speaker 3: name a couple of reviewers that really should not be reviewing,

928
00:48:25,133 --> 00:48:28,213
Speaker 3: because I know sweet bugg are all about food at all,

929
00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:30,853
Speaker 3: and they talk about the partner there with more than

930
00:48:30,973 --> 00:48:31,773
Speaker 3: you know, but they.

931
00:48:31,933 --> 00:48:33,013
Speaker 2: Also get the food wrong.

932
00:48:33,693 --> 00:48:36,173
Speaker 3: So I think, at least when I go in there,

933
00:48:36,573 --> 00:48:39,533
Speaker 3: I'm not actually criticizing people. Well I sort of am,

934
00:48:39,573 --> 00:48:43,333
Speaker 3: but I go in there and if the restaurant's really bad,

935
00:48:43,373 --> 00:48:45,733
Speaker 3: I just don't bother. I don't do it at all,

936
00:48:45,773 --> 00:48:47,933
Speaker 3: because I don't think it's fair to actually do that.

937
00:48:48,133 --> 00:48:51,733
Speaker 3: But if there's a restaurant that things aren't quite right,

938
00:48:52,293 --> 00:48:56,213
Speaker 3: I suggest how they could improve it. And so far,

939
00:48:56,413 --> 00:48:58,773
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of very positive from restaurants I've

940
00:48:58,773 --> 00:49:00,453
Speaker 3: been to because I'm trying to be as honest i

941
00:49:00,493 --> 00:49:03,933
Speaker 3: can and I'm not going to be bought, and that's

942
00:49:03,973 --> 00:49:05,493
Speaker 3: all why I don't need to be so it's not

943
00:49:05,533 --> 00:49:08,573
Speaker 3: a problem. But there's some great there's some great new

944
00:49:08,573 --> 00:49:12,853
Speaker 3: restaurants around at the moment, but they're really struggling, and

945
00:49:13,133 --> 00:49:15,453
Speaker 3: some of them are closing down, Yeah, a lot of them.

946
00:49:16,133 --> 00:49:18,493
Speaker 3: And where's the little new ones popping up every now

947
00:49:18,533 --> 00:49:19,533
Speaker 3: and then? So that's good too.

948
00:49:20,053 --> 00:49:23,373
Speaker 2: Well, some people look, it's a little it's actually a

949
00:49:23,413 --> 00:49:26,253
Speaker 2: little like shops. And you'll know exactly what I mean.

950
00:49:26,773 --> 00:49:30,613
Speaker 2: You'll see a shop coom up police and somebody takes

951
00:49:30,613 --> 00:49:33,573
Speaker 2: it and within a very short space of time usually

952
00:49:34,453 --> 00:49:36,893
Speaker 2: it's up for lease again. Yep, and it'll hap it

953
00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:39,853
Speaker 2: a third time. So you know what I'm talking about.

954
00:49:40,093 --> 00:49:44,453
Speaker 2: And it's because of a variety of things, but largely

955
00:49:44,493 --> 00:49:47,613
Speaker 2: it has to do with the placement of the location

956
00:49:49,213 --> 00:49:54,413
Speaker 2: where it is. And if it's another nail shop, yeah yeah,

957
00:49:55,413 --> 00:49:57,453
Speaker 2: just down the road here, there's about forty nine of them,

958
00:49:58,773 --> 00:50:01,733
Speaker 2: and someone's just spent a very large amount of money

959
00:50:01,773 --> 00:50:04,573
Speaker 2: to set up another one, a big one, and we

960
00:50:04,653 --> 00:50:06,933
Speaker 2: walk past it frequently. Is there for anybody in there?

961
00:50:07,653 --> 00:50:10,133
Speaker 2: So how do they? They don't sport? It's a bit

962
00:50:10,253 --> 00:50:13,693
Speaker 2: like restaurants. New restaurants, Well, restaurants on the whole.

963
00:50:13,493 --> 00:50:17,813
Speaker 3: Only last eighteen months unless you're lucky enough to be

964
00:50:17,813 --> 00:50:20,893
Speaker 3: because what happens. And I've got so many young kids

965
00:50:20,973 --> 00:50:23,293
Speaker 3: ringing me at the moment to advise them because as

966
00:50:23,293 --> 00:50:25,933
Speaker 3: they say, oh, look we need certain amount of money

967
00:50:25,973 --> 00:50:27,653
Speaker 3: to break even, I said, well, why did you just

968
00:50:27,693 --> 00:50:31,893
Speaker 3: buy a new car. Suddenly they've got business. They forget

969
00:50:32,053 --> 00:50:35,013
Speaker 3: eighteen months down the track, we've got to pay four tax,

970
00:50:35,253 --> 00:50:38,133
Speaker 3: a new tax. They don't put money away, but they're

971
00:50:38,173 --> 00:50:41,293
Speaker 3: also not They just think it's easy to open a

972
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:43,573
Speaker 3: restaurant keep going, but normally it's only eighteen months.

973
00:50:43,653 --> 00:50:45,213
Speaker 2: I mean we went.

974
00:50:45,053 --> 00:50:49,613
Speaker 3: Through from nineteen seventy three to right up until fifty

975
00:50:49,653 --> 00:50:52,733
Speaker 3: years on, we went through so many financial crisis. I mean,

976
00:50:52,773 --> 00:50:56,813
Speaker 3: at one stage we went I had another restaurant down

977
00:50:56,933 --> 00:50:59,173
Speaker 3: the city. I mean it was turning over huge amounts

978
00:50:59,173 --> 00:51:01,813
Speaker 3: of money. But because I couldn't be in both places,

979
00:51:02,693 --> 00:51:05,453
Speaker 3: things started happening. And then of course things started getting

980
00:51:05,493 --> 00:51:07,893
Speaker 3: sticky again. And I mean we had to put that

981
00:51:07,933 --> 00:51:11,733
Speaker 3: into acteavership, and that was totally through our own just went.

982
00:51:12,213 --> 00:51:14,653
Speaker 3: We weren't running it properly. You had to be there by,

983
00:51:14,693 --> 00:51:16,413
Speaker 3: you know, owner.

984
00:51:16,533 --> 00:51:19,093
Speaker 2: How many downtown did you have at any given time.

985
00:51:19,333 --> 00:51:24,373
Speaker 3: Well overall, well I had I had Tatler and spectators.

986
00:51:24,413 --> 00:51:26,973
Speaker 3: So that was in one building. Where was that that

987
00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:29,013
Speaker 3: was done? And it used to be the old cliche.

988
00:51:29,013 --> 00:51:30,853
Speaker 3: It's now Mexico. I think that on the end of

989
00:51:30,973 --> 00:51:34,813
Speaker 3: the britam up on the perimeter, old brick building, yes,

990
00:51:35,253 --> 00:51:38,213
Speaker 3: which was a fantastic restaurant. It was way before its time.

991
00:51:38,373 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 2: Never I don't think I ever went upstairs, but we

992
00:51:40,373 --> 00:51:44,613
Speaker 2: went a few times downstowns downstairs, and I'll come back

993
00:51:44,653 --> 00:51:45,373
Speaker 2: to that, do you finish.

994
00:51:45,533 --> 00:51:48,173
Speaker 3: I mean we were turning over, I mean huge amounts

995
00:51:48,173 --> 00:51:50,693
Speaker 3: of money there. But then it's then I think there

996
00:51:50,693 --> 00:51:53,493
Speaker 3: came a I think around about nineteen ninety or something

997
00:51:53,493 --> 00:51:56,013
Speaker 3: that was anyway, there was a financial crisis and things

998
00:51:56,013 --> 00:51:59,693
Speaker 3: started going hey wire. But there were so many staff

999
00:51:59,733 --> 00:52:01,973
Speaker 3: and so much stuff missing, and of course if you're

1000
00:52:01,973 --> 00:52:05,413
Speaker 3: not onto it like anyway, we went into liquidation there

1001
00:52:05,493 --> 00:52:10,133
Speaker 3: and poor old Antoines had to. They the people that

1002
00:52:10,733 --> 00:52:12,933
Speaker 3: we owed money to, did a big deal with me

1003
00:52:13,013 --> 00:52:14,853
Speaker 3: and gave me about four years to pay it, which

1004
00:52:14,853 --> 00:52:19,013
Speaker 3: Antoines did pay every creditor off, because otherwise I could

1005
00:52:19,053 --> 00:52:21,053
Speaker 3: have just walked away from it. But you just can't

1006
00:52:21,093 --> 00:52:22,693
Speaker 3: do that if you want to stand business. But we

1007
00:52:23,093 --> 00:52:25,173
Speaker 3: had been in business. You can't do that if your

1008
00:52:25,213 --> 00:52:28,293
Speaker 3: principles tell you you can't. But also at Antoine's you

1009
00:52:28,293 --> 00:52:31,413
Speaker 3: know in the eighty because in the mid eighties we

1010
00:52:31,453 --> 00:52:34,053
Speaker 3: were just creamy. You can imagine what was going on there.

1011
00:52:34,093 --> 00:52:36,813
Speaker 3: I mean people were sew up themselves. I had so

1012
00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:40,173
Speaker 3: much money. It wasn't their money, but we were recipients

1013
00:52:40,213 --> 00:52:44,293
Speaker 3: of quantities of cash, as you can imagine. But then

1014
00:52:44,373 --> 00:52:48,253
Speaker 3: that the big crash came and yeah, well we are

1015
00:52:48,773 --> 00:52:51,933
Speaker 3: funnily enough. I was sitting at Cypriani and Venice down

1016
00:52:52,013 --> 00:53:00,133
Speaker 3: at the having having breakfast, and this waiter came down

1017
00:53:00,173 --> 00:53:03,893
Speaker 3: and said, oh, mister Antoine, oh I think you might

1018
00:53:03,933 --> 00:53:05,693
Speaker 3: like because I hadn't even read a paper, you might

1019
00:53:05,733 --> 00:53:09,173
Speaker 3: like to read this English paper, said world Stock. And

1020
00:53:09,213 --> 00:53:11,573
Speaker 3: I said I should think. Oh, I don't think this

1021
00:53:11,733 --> 00:53:14,053
Speaker 3: is good. And best said, oh, that won't affect us,

1022
00:53:14,093 --> 00:53:15,933
Speaker 3: will it. I said, oh my god. So we got

1023
00:53:15,973 --> 00:53:18,893
Speaker 3: on a plane came straight home. You know, our turnover

1024
00:53:18,973 --> 00:53:22,413
Speaker 3: went from huge amounts down to about eight thousand a week.

1025
00:53:23,373 --> 00:53:25,813
Speaker 3: And we're talking huge amounts, a big drop. And that's

1026
00:53:25,853 --> 00:53:28,253
Speaker 3: when I first learned how to run into ones because

1027
00:53:29,213 --> 00:53:32,253
Speaker 3: we had to. We had about twelve staff. Suddenly we

1028
00:53:32,373 --> 00:53:35,573
Speaker 3: only had four. And we ran that for the next

1029
00:53:35,773 --> 00:53:38,853
Speaker 3: five years or whatever doing that, and we came out

1030
00:53:38,893 --> 00:53:41,653
Speaker 3: the other side. But the turnover was never like it

1031
00:53:41,693 --> 00:53:44,213
Speaker 3: was in the eighties. But I didn't know anyone any money,

1032
00:53:44,253 --> 00:53:46,653
Speaker 3: so it wasn't hard. But also I cooked. Beth was

1033
00:53:46,653 --> 00:53:48,653
Speaker 3: out the front, so you're saving yourself one hundred and

1034
00:53:48,693 --> 00:53:51,813
Speaker 3: something thousand a year. Anyway, that's how we did it,

1035
00:53:51,893 --> 00:53:54,973
Speaker 3: So you know, I just don't think I see these

1036
00:53:55,013 --> 00:53:57,253
Speaker 3: restaurants opening. They are opening quite a few of them.

1037
00:53:57,293 --> 00:53:58,813
Speaker 3: At the moment, I think, oh, I don't know, it's

1038
00:53:58,813 --> 00:54:02,653
Speaker 3: not going to but their investment restaurants. It's how to

1039
00:54:02,693 --> 00:54:04,333
Speaker 3: lose your money in two seconds, I reckon.

1040
00:54:04,373 --> 00:54:09,973
Speaker 2: But I remember going to Mark's squad for the first

1041
00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:16,813
Speaker 2: time and sitting down in the square and ordering coffee

1042
00:54:19,053 --> 00:54:20,133
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars.

1043
00:54:21,533 --> 00:54:24,893
Speaker 3: It's now about twenty five euro. You sit out there,

1044
00:54:24,933 --> 00:54:26,413
Speaker 3: you're on shows, so you've got to pay. You can

1045
00:54:26,413 --> 00:54:28,173
Speaker 3: go into a little coffee bar behind and get it

1046
00:54:28,173 --> 00:54:29,013
Speaker 3: for about five.

1047
00:54:28,933 --> 00:54:33,013
Speaker 2: So well, there's also there's also the orchestra and let's

1048
00:54:33,053 --> 00:54:34,893
Speaker 2: just get when you're out there. It's a feeling, though,

1049
00:54:34,933 --> 00:54:35,253
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1050
00:54:35,253 --> 00:54:37,973
Speaker 3: But it's I mean, I watched people and then I think, oh, dear,

1051
00:54:38,013 --> 00:54:40,213
Speaker 3: that was the people around the world don't care because

1052
00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:42,373
Speaker 3: it's always full isn't their money are soon?

1053
00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:46,133
Speaker 2: Part of it was in Benson Marks where it was flooded.

1054
00:54:46,773 --> 00:54:50,093
Speaker 2: We're walking around on planks. Oh dear, let's just talk

1055
00:54:50,133 --> 00:54:53,733
Speaker 2: politics for a moment. Oh dear, yep, because you and

1056
00:54:53,773 --> 00:54:59,173
Speaker 2: I both interested in politics. We're both interested in American politics.

1057
00:54:59,973 --> 00:55:03,173
Speaker 2: And a few people will have heard this story before,

1058
00:55:03,213 --> 00:55:05,733
Speaker 2: but it's going to get told again because it's a must.

1059
00:55:06,533 --> 00:55:11,493
Speaker 2: When Trump was first elected back in twenty fifteen, sixteen,

1060
00:55:11,973 --> 00:55:15,293
Speaker 2: I always get confused because you win, you win in

1061
00:55:15,333 --> 00:55:18,093
Speaker 2: the election one year and you take take office sixteen

1062
00:55:18,093 --> 00:55:21,453
Speaker 2: and then twenty yeah, yep, so which which I think

1063
00:55:21,493 --> 00:55:25,013
Speaker 2: it was sixteen, but sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen.

1064
00:55:25,213 --> 00:55:27,733
Speaker 3: Twenty, because then then he missed out on twenty, so

1065
00:55:27,773 --> 00:55:29,253
Speaker 3: there would have been twenty one when the new one

1066
00:55:29,293 --> 00:55:31,973
Speaker 3: took over, right, and then twenty three, twenty two, twenty three,

1067
00:55:32,053 --> 00:55:35,013
Speaker 3: twenty four, it's going to be twenty five, yeah, right, sixteen.

1068
00:55:34,693 --> 00:55:38,893
Speaker 2: Okay, So thank you for that. You were you were

1069
00:55:39,013 --> 00:55:40,013
Speaker 2: supporting Trump.

1070
00:55:40,973 --> 00:55:44,333
Speaker 3: I wear minde. I was also wearing his habitalus. Make

1071
00:55:44,333 --> 00:55:48,733
Speaker 3: it doom go away, So that wasn't the problem.

1072
00:55:49,653 --> 00:55:52,653
Speaker 2: Hang on say that again, Make a durn go away.

1073
00:55:52,813 --> 00:55:55,173
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, was it?

1074
00:55:55,893 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 3: I was in for the up to the twentieth. No, No,

1075
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:01,053
Speaker 3: she wasn't there then, but I started wearing it before

1076
00:56:01,093 --> 00:56:03,613
Speaker 3: his neck when he missed out when you know, when

1077
00:56:03,653 --> 00:56:07,133
Speaker 3: his election was stolen in twenty right, So I started.

1078
00:56:07,573 --> 00:56:09,453
Speaker 3: I got the red hair and I had a T

1079
00:56:09,613 --> 00:56:11,613
Speaker 3: shirt and I'd walk up and down Parnell Road and

1080
00:56:11,613 --> 00:56:13,893
Speaker 3: the abuse with it. I loved it. I just loved

1081
00:56:13,893 --> 00:56:14,573
Speaker 3: getting the abuse.

1082
00:56:14,853 --> 00:56:17,493
Speaker 2: I've never known anybody who enjoys being abused so much.

1083
00:56:18,533 --> 00:56:21,613
Speaker 2: But go back to the twenty sixteen election and the night,

1084
00:56:21,773 --> 00:56:28,213
Speaker 2: the night the winner was announced, you were, you were working,

1085
00:56:28,213 --> 00:56:30,773
Speaker 2: you were open, and you had not a lot, I think,

1086
00:56:30,853 --> 00:56:34,533
Speaker 2: but a few about four tables. Yeah, yep. Story.

1087
00:56:34,613 --> 00:56:36,933
Speaker 3: It was hilarious because they were all I thought they

1088
00:56:36,933 --> 00:56:40,333
Speaker 3: would have been Trump supporters, but anyway, they were all

1089
00:56:40,413 --> 00:56:42,533
Speaker 3: very well off people, and you know, they were all

1090
00:56:42,813 --> 00:56:47,133
Speaker 3: talking politics, and they were all sort of National Party supporters.

1091
00:56:47,293 --> 00:56:49,613
Speaker 3: You know, we were National Party headquarters, so of course

1092
00:56:49,653 --> 00:56:52,613
Speaker 3: those sort of people were there. Then of course it

1093
00:56:52,693 --> 00:56:55,013
Speaker 3: started looking I started getting very excited.

1094
00:56:55,053 --> 00:56:56,053
Speaker 2: You could see.

1095
00:56:55,973 --> 00:56:58,813
Speaker 3: Trump was actually going to clean up, and so I

1096
00:56:58,893 --> 00:57:04,293
Speaker 3: started so I put the American National anthem on and

1097
00:57:04,373 --> 00:57:08,213
Speaker 3: started walking through and said, Viva Trump, Viva Trump. Well

1098
00:57:08,413 --> 00:57:10,893
Speaker 3: they all got one table, just got up. They said

1099
00:57:10,933 --> 00:57:13,013
Speaker 3: you are disgusting, and they got up and walked out.

1100
00:57:13,573 --> 00:57:15,093
Speaker 3: They took a while to come back where they have

1101
00:57:15,173 --> 00:57:15,613
Speaker 3: come back.

1102
00:57:15,693 --> 00:57:17,173
Speaker 2: Did they pay the bill before they lived?

1103
00:57:17,253 --> 00:57:18,893
Speaker 3: I didn't care. They got the bill center them. It

1104
00:57:18,933 --> 00:57:20,013
Speaker 3: wasn't a problem.

1105
00:57:21,493 --> 00:57:21,893
Speaker 2: Anyway.

1106
00:57:21,893 --> 00:57:24,693
Speaker 3: The people they they still there, are still and I

1107
00:57:24,733 --> 00:57:27,653
Speaker 3: know a couple of them still that are alive or

1108
00:57:27,653 --> 00:57:32,173
Speaker 3: still with us, and they are still not Trump supporters.

1109
00:57:32,173 --> 00:57:35,133
Speaker 3: They hate them, but they wanted and I had to

1110
00:57:35,173 --> 00:57:37,733
Speaker 3: call it by her right name, Kamala, I aw to

1111
00:57:37,773 --> 00:57:41,013
Speaker 3: call it that are you but they're still her. They

1112
00:57:41,053 --> 00:57:43,013
Speaker 3: wanted her there, and I thought, you know, you people

1113
00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:47,813
Speaker 3: and they these are people that actually are totally conservative people,

1114
00:57:48,053 --> 00:57:51,853
Speaker 3: and they put they you know, I just I just spare.

1115
00:57:52,093 --> 00:57:54,893
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's analyze that for a moment, because I

1116
00:57:54,933 --> 00:57:57,533
Speaker 2: know why it is. I know people in the States

1117
00:57:57,533 --> 00:58:02,373
Speaker 2: who have adjusted their thinking, okay, in the right in

1118
00:58:02,413 --> 00:58:05,933
Speaker 2: the right way. Uh And and in Australia, I know

1119
00:58:05,973 --> 00:58:07,733
Speaker 2: people in Australia too. It's a friend of mine in

1120
00:58:07,733 --> 00:58:13,133
Speaker 2: Australia sent me stuff by email mocking Trump and all

1121
00:58:13,173 --> 00:58:15,693
Speaker 2: sorts of things. And laughing at me because he's because

1122
00:58:15,693 --> 00:58:16,133
Speaker 2: he's going.

1123
00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:20,253
Speaker 3: To get I haven't heard from him since the other's

1124
00:58:20,253 --> 00:58:21,893
Speaker 3: funny that anyway.

1125
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:25,813
Speaker 2: So people in America have changed their minds. People in

1126
00:58:25,853 --> 00:58:29,693
Speaker 2: Australia have changed their minds. Not everybody, but people here

1127
00:58:29,773 --> 00:58:34,893
Speaker 2: have been far less adjustable. And the reason is because

1128
00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:37,653
Speaker 2: of the media. There has been you think of your

1129
00:58:37,653 --> 00:58:41,133
Speaker 2: mainstream media, I don't need to list at all. They haven't.

1130
00:58:41,173 --> 00:58:44,573
Speaker 2: They haven't adjusted their attitude to Trump at all. They

1131
00:58:44,613 --> 00:58:48,253
Speaker 2: haven't realized that things have changed, that he has changed,

1132
00:58:48,253 --> 00:58:51,773
Speaker 2: that things are being done differently. They haven't realized the

1133
00:58:52,973 --> 00:58:57,253
Speaker 2: well I heard the breakfast hoast this morning making comment

1134
00:58:58,213 --> 00:59:03,933
Speaker 2: on Biden and he's a liar. This is over the sun.

1135
00:59:06,173 --> 00:59:09,173
Speaker 2: He's a liar. And everybody was walking around and say

1136
00:59:09,173 --> 00:59:14,053
Speaker 2: he's a liar. Biden's a liar. I told them that,

1137
00:59:14,693 --> 00:59:17,853
Speaker 2: how I could have I think you did years and

1138
00:59:18,013 --> 00:59:23,373
Speaker 2: years ago. The guy's a crook, always has been. I mean,

1139
00:59:23,693 --> 00:59:26,733
Speaker 2: he was best mates with Kennedy, you know, the chap,

1140
00:59:26,733 --> 00:59:31,693
Speaker 2: a critic and all of that, ah, and they were

1141
00:59:31,733 --> 00:59:35,533
Speaker 2: they were crooks together. But the media doesn't doesn't do

1142
00:59:35,613 --> 00:59:38,493
Speaker 2: its job. The media has been a failure let people

1143
00:59:38,533 --> 00:59:42,973
Speaker 2: down in this country and until we get the right

1144
00:59:43,013 --> 00:59:47,013
Speaker 2: competition in rupert where nothing, nothing much is going to

1145
00:59:47,093 --> 00:59:50,253
Speaker 2: change because you've got you've got the journos who've been

1146
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:54,533
Speaker 2: trained in ways of the left. They've come out of

1147
00:59:55,093 --> 00:59:58,413
Speaker 2: they've come out of university or whatever they've done. They

1148
00:59:58,413 --> 01:00:01,373
Speaker 2: should be I had this discussion with somebody recently, might

1149
01:00:01,413 --> 01:00:04,973
Speaker 2: have been Nick catur actually who was on before you.

1150
01:00:05,533 --> 01:00:09,413
Speaker 2: He's on now actually, as we recall, you replace him

1151
01:00:09,413 --> 01:00:14,093
Speaker 2: next week, that an apprenticeship journalism course is the right

1152
01:00:14,133 --> 01:00:15,573
Speaker 2: way to do it. You're going to get a job

1153
01:00:15,613 --> 01:00:17,053
Speaker 2: as a copy boy or whatever it is. You start

1154
01:00:17,093 --> 01:00:18,373
Speaker 2: at the bottom and you work your way up and

1155
01:00:18,413 --> 01:00:21,413
Speaker 2: you study at night and whatever, or you get one

1156
01:00:21,453 --> 01:00:24,813
Speaker 2: or two days a week off to go to classes

1157
01:00:24,853 --> 01:00:28,453
Speaker 2: and things, and that way you learn far quicker the

1158
01:00:28,493 --> 01:00:32,053
Speaker 2: realities of life. But I don't think it's going to happen.

1159
01:00:32,333 --> 01:00:37,453
Speaker 3: Well talk about supposedly unbiased. I mean, really, it ain't happening.

1160
01:00:37,453 --> 01:00:39,813
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen anymore, does it. I mean, you know,

1161
01:00:40,013 --> 01:00:41,453
Speaker 3: you just have to look at I mean, I just

1162
01:00:41,933 --> 01:00:45,133
Speaker 3: I have a rubber brick and I like it. It's

1163
01:00:45,133 --> 01:00:46,613
Speaker 3: not a real one because I have it on a string.

1164
01:00:46,693 --> 01:00:49,453
Speaker 3: I just throw it at the TV screen everything. Every

1165
01:00:49,493 --> 01:00:52,653
Speaker 3: time they start all that stuff, they start to the

1166
01:00:52,693 --> 01:00:55,813
Speaker 3: Newsworth and everything, and then the ata rower and god

1167
01:00:55,853 --> 01:00:58,613
Speaker 3: knows what's coming next. And then you've got all the stuff.

1168
01:00:58,653 --> 01:01:01,573
Speaker 3: You don't even understand a word they're saying. And then

1169
01:01:01,613 --> 01:01:06,253
Speaker 3: suddenly it's all stuff that totally biased. I throw the brick,

1170
01:01:06,333 --> 01:01:08,253
Speaker 3: Throw the brick, and then I actually don't even turn

1171
01:01:08,413 --> 01:01:09,093
Speaker 3: news on anymore.

1172
01:01:09,173 --> 01:01:11,173
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you have a stake. You're going to

1173
01:01:11,173 --> 01:01:13,653
Speaker 2: tell me your big mistake, or you just answered it

1174
01:01:13,653 --> 01:01:15,493
Speaker 2: yourself turning it on in the first.

1175
01:01:15,253 --> 01:01:17,893
Speaker 3: Place, exactly. But you sort of think like I would

1176
01:01:17,973 --> 01:01:20,733
Speaker 3: never ever turn breakfast on in my whole life. I mean,

1177
01:01:20,773 --> 01:01:22,773
Speaker 3: that just frightens the hewll lo out of me. I

1178
01:01:22,773 --> 01:01:24,173
Speaker 3: look at these people and say, but how do you

1179
01:01:24,213 --> 01:01:27,413
Speaker 3: get this job? I mean, really, you can't. You can't

1180
01:01:27,413 --> 01:01:29,613
Speaker 3: have You're not allowed to think for yourself anyway. So

1181
01:01:29,653 --> 01:01:31,693
Speaker 3: that's all there is to it. And it's like play school.

1182
01:01:32,333 --> 01:01:37,253
Speaker 2: Well it's interesting because for a long time, pretty much

1183
01:01:37,253 --> 01:01:40,373
Speaker 2: as long as I've known you, I have I have

1184
01:01:40,533 --> 01:01:43,533
Speaker 2: seen you as a a lot more than just a chef.

1185
01:01:44,693 --> 01:01:48,013
Speaker 2: You have a brain, you use it, you think critically,

1186
01:01:48,093 --> 01:01:53,413
Speaker 2: you are critical and You're a blessing, and I've got

1187
01:01:53,413 --> 01:01:56,693
Speaker 2: no reason I'm not going to get any more free meals.

1188
01:01:56,773 --> 01:01:59,333
Speaker 2: That's all right. Look not that not that I did, Folks, you.

1189
01:01:59,333 --> 01:02:03,333
Speaker 3: Didn't, and I must meet your farewell. I actually apparently

1190
01:02:03,373 --> 01:02:05,253
Speaker 3: I was somewhere the other day and your farewell was

1191
01:02:05,253 --> 01:02:08,813
Speaker 3: at Antoine, you know, from the radio station to to

1192
01:02:08,933 --> 01:02:12,453
Speaker 3: your new transition. And someone came up to me the

1193
01:02:12,493 --> 01:02:16,573
Speaker 3: other day and said, we didn't realize you know that

1194
01:02:16,733 --> 01:02:18,053
Speaker 3: Jingis Khan was a lefty.

1195
01:02:18,173 --> 01:02:19,053
Speaker 2: Do we meet you?

1196
01:02:19,093 --> 01:02:20,733
Speaker 3: And I said, I'll give you a break.

1197
01:02:23,053 --> 01:02:23,813
Speaker 2: Until they met you.

1198
01:02:23,933 --> 01:02:26,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, till they Yeah, I'm not you. But anyway,

1199
01:02:26,133 --> 01:02:28,373
Speaker 3: I always thought you were. I thought you were Genis Khan,

1200
01:02:28,493 --> 01:02:31,293
Speaker 3: so I thought I could actually be one better. You know,

1201
01:02:31,333 --> 01:02:34,253
Speaker 3: I'd have everyone up, I'd have everyone armed, and i'd

1202
01:02:34,253 --> 01:02:37,053
Speaker 3: have every policeman armed, and that you know that you

1203
01:02:37,173 --> 01:02:38,893
Speaker 3: only get you wouldn't get a second chance, you get

1204
01:02:38,933 --> 01:02:40,853
Speaker 3: the first one, and then sorry, you're on your bike.

1205
01:02:41,333 --> 01:02:43,333
Speaker 2: Not too late for a political run, you know.

1206
01:02:43,973 --> 01:02:46,533
Speaker 3: No, that could well younger than mister Trump. And look

1207
01:02:46,533 --> 01:02:48,533
Speaker 3: at he took the whole country, the whole. Even though

1208
01:02:48,533 --> 01:02:51,173
Speaker 3: I hate the color, there's not many blue bits in

1209
01:02:51,213 --> 01:02:52,413
Speaker 3: America anymore.

1210
01:02:53,253 --> 01:02:55,413
Speaker 2: So what about politics in this country?

1211
01:02:56,333 --> 01:02:59,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's you know, obviously, I was I was

1212
01:03:00,093 --> 01:03:03,653
Speaker 3: very elated when when the last election, because I think

1213
01:03:03,733 --> 01:03:05,173
Speaker 3: things were getting really so bad.

1214
01:03:05,253 --> 01:03:09,413
Speaker 2: But I think I think by saying they're getting so bad,

1215
01:03:09,053 --> 01:03:12,973
Speaker 2: you are under estimating to a criminal level.

1216
01:03:13,253 --> 01:03:16,093
Speaker 3: I mean it was disgusting, absolutely it is. It was

1217
01:03:16,173 --> 01:03:18,653
Speaker 3: criminal the way we were being run. I mean it

1218
01:03:18,693 --> 01:03:20,893
Speaker 3: was an open I mean that means they stole from

1219
01:03:20,933 --> 01:03:23,653
Speaker 3: every one of our bank accounts that last government. You know,

1220
01:03:23,733 --> 01:03:26,013
Speaker 3: now they're saying it it was some that was now

1221
01:03:26,053 --> 01:03:29,013
Speaker 3: the National Party's fault. I mean, how many billions are

1222
01:03:29,013 --> 01:03:30,813
Speaker 3: we in debt now? I mean it went up so

1223
01:03:30,973 --> 01:03:34,093
Speaker 3: much in three years, unbelievable. But I'm a bit worried

1224
01:03:34,093 --> 01:03:36,893
Speaker 3: because I actually was elite elated when they were all

1225
01:03:36,893 --> 01:03:39,373
Speaker 3: thrown out. And I must admit I've become a very

1226
01:03:41,133 --> 01:03:43,653
Speaker 3: happy person with the coalition. I think we're lucky. We

1227
01:03:43,693 --> 01:03:46,373
Speaker 3: actually do have the coalition and we have those you know,

1228
01:03:46,453 --> 01:03:49,053
Speaker 3: Darryl Winston, who I think I probably was going to

1229
01:03:49,053 --> 01:03:52,173
Speaker 3: ban from Antoine's anyway many years ago. But he to

1230
01:03:52,293 --> 01:03:54,333
Speaker 3: give him his credit in the early days, he was

1231
01:03:54,373 --> 01:03:58,373
Speaker 3: our hero when he first became a politician. He was

1232
01:03:58,373 --> 01:04:01,173
Speaker 3: at Antoine's every Friday night and everyone was in love

1233
01:04:01,173 --> 01:04:02,653
Speaker 3: with him. I would have voted for him in two

1234
01:04:02,693 --> 01:04:05,253
Speaker 3: seconds for Prime minister because he was the only one

1235
01:04:05,253 --> 01:04:07,373
Speaker 3: that made any sense and it was a new reth

1236
01:04:07,373 --> 01:04:10,133
Speaker 3: of fresh air. Anyway, still there and all sorts of

1237
01:04:10,133 --> 01:04:13,213
Speaker 3: things have happened, But without him and David Seymour at

1238
01:04:13,213 --> 01:04:15,493
Speaker 3: the moment, I think we would have a huge problem

1239
01:04:15,533 --> 01:04:18,413
Speaker 3: in this country. And I think everyone that rubbish that coalition,

1240
01:04:19,053 --> 01:04:21,213
Speaker 3: I think they're very lucky we have it quite frankly,

1241
01:04:21,253 --> 01:04:24,373
Speaker 3: because there are people that are actually keeping the government

1242
01:04:25,933 --> 01:04:29,333
Speaker 3: honest or to account, to account they're trying to. Yeah,

1243
01:04:29,373 --> 01:04:31,333
Speaker 3: but I mean it is moving in that direction. Will

1244
01:04:31,373 --> 01:04:34,813
Speaker 3: be interesting, I think with the next next election, because

1245
01:04:34,813 --> 01:04:38,133
Speaker 3: I'm very worried about how we're still sitting on the

1246
01:04:38,133 --> 01:04:41,653
Speaker 3: fence on all sorts of things when I think national

1247
01:04:41,693 --> 01:04:44,173
Speaker 3: parties should actually be saying a bit more than they

1248
01:04:44,413 --> 01:04:46,813
Speaker 3: instead of just agreeing or not agreeing with anyone. I

1249
01:04:46,893 --> 01:04:49,933
Speaker 3: think they should have policy that they were elected to do,

1250
01:04:50,453 --> 01:04:53,133
Speaker 3: and that worries me that they're not. And I don't

1251
01:04:53,173 --> 01:04:55,453
Speaker 3: think fence sitting is going to help because the next election,

1252
01:04:55,613 --> 01:04:57,893
Speaker 3: anything I see labor coming up in the polls again.

1253
01:04:57,973 --> 01:05:01,813
Speaker 3: Heaven help us if they actually get in with other parties.

1254
01:05:02,133 --> 01:05:04,053
Speaker 3: You know, that's the end of New Zealand. We're already

1255
01:05:04,213 --> 01:05:04,893
Speaker 3: almost there.

1256
01:05:06,053 --> 01:05:09,933
Speaker 2: Well, if they had one this lastly, that it would

1257
01:05:09,973 --> 01:05:13,053
Speaker 2: be the end, well exactly, and you can only extend

1258
01:05:13,053 --> 01:05:16,173
Speaker 2: it to the next one. The other aspect that contributes

1259
01:05:16,213 --> 01:05:18,293
Speaker 2: to that is the number of people who fled the

1260
01:05:18,293 --> 01:05:23,773
Speaker 2: country and continue to do so. Because I like to

1261
01:05:23,813 --> 01:05:26,733
Speaker 2: put it this way, the collective IQ of of the

1262
01:05:26,773 --> 01:05:31,733
Speaker 2: country is dropping. And there was a guest on the

1263
01:05:31,733 --> 01:05:34,453
Speaker 2: podcast a few weeks ago. I can't I can't remember

1264
01:05:34,453 --> 01:05:37,573
Speaker 2: who it was now who who I put a question

1265
01:05:37,693 --> 01:05:41,373
Speaker 2: to about the future of the country And the answer

1266
01:05:41,613 --> 01:05:46,533
Speaker 2: was that we might have been Professor McCullock actually that

1267
01:05:46,653 --> 01:05:50,253
Speaker 2: we could very easily be going down the road of

1268
01:05:51,013 --> 01:05:54,413
Speaker 2: other countries in our region where people go for a

1269
01:05:54,453 --> 01:05:57,693
Speaker 2: holiday for the sunshine and the scenery and what have you,

1270
01:05:57,693 --> 01:06:00,133
Speaker 2: and then they pack up and go home. That's where

1271
01:06:00,533 --> 01:06:04,573
Speaker 2: he thought this country would head unless dramatic changes were made.

1272
01:06:05,213 --> 01:06:06,813
Speaker 2: How do you think about MMP Then.

1273
01:06:07,453 --> 01:06:10,973
Speaker 3: Well, MP I did the catering at a very upmarket

1274
01:06:11,253 --> 01:06:15,293
Speaker 3: probably who no one thought it was going to work,

1275
01:06:15,373 --> 01:06:17,453
Speaker 3: So I can assure you there was caviat There was

1276
01:06:17,493 --> 01:06:19,893
Speaker 3: every damn thing you could possibly get on offer for

1277
01:06:19,973 --> 01:06:22,813
Speaker 3: that evening of MMP. You know what, when it was

1278
01:06:22,853 --> 01:06:25,973
Speaker 3: obvious that it was going to which way it was going,

1279
01:06:26,173 --> 01:06:28,213
Speaker 3: no one had any of the food. They just went home.

1280
01:06:28,213 --> 01:06:30,213
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. The country has not improved

1281
01:06:30,253 --> 01:06:30,933
Speaker 3: since then, has it?

1282
01:06:30,973 --> 01:06:31,253
Speaker 4: Really?

1283
01:06:31,653 --> 01:06:31,973
Speaker 2: MMP?

1284
01:06:32,493 --> 01:06:36,133
Speaker 3: I mean, how many people are on those back benches,

1285
01:06:36,733 --> 01:06:39,013
Speaker 3: probably even on the front benches that are not elected.

1286
01:06:39,053 --> 01:06:41,893
Speaker 3: And that's why the country's how it is. I mean

1287
01:06:42,333 --> 01:06:46,293
Speaker 3: we elect people and then you go right down that

1288
01:06:46,413 --> 01:06:49,013
Speaker 3: list and some of those people are just tron goos

1289
01:06:49,013 --> 01:06:51,253
Speaker 3: from hell. You know, they have not one ounce of

1290
01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:53,653
Speaker 3: intelligence and they get in there. Well, we just saw

1291
01:06:53,693 --> 01:06:56,413
Speaker 3: it when they attacked Parliament the other night the other day,

1292
01:06:57,053 --> 01:07:00,133
Speaker 3: when Jerry had to actually suspend it. I have never

1293
01:07:00,213 --> 01:07:03,453
Speaker 3: been so embarrassed and disgusted with that, And like Willie

1294
01:07:03,533 --> 01:07:06,333
Speaker 3: Jackson really should, he should be held account for a

1295
01:07:06,333 --> 01:07:09,013
Speaker 3: lot of things. And in that young woman, I don't

1296
01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:10,573
Speaker 3: even want to know a name who ripped up the

1297
01:07:10,573 --> 01:07:12,853
Speaker 3: piece of paper and started all that crap. I mean,

1298
01:07:12,853 --> 01:07:15,973
Speaker 3: it was just unacceptable. And that's supposed to be the

1299
01:07:16,053 --> 01:07:18,213
Speaker 3: hymnical of what we believe in, you know, and there

1300
01:07:18,253 --> 01:07:22,013
Speaker 3: it is just turning into total chaos. I mean, wearing

1301
01:07:22,133 --> 01:07:24,613
Speaker 3: hats and all that stuff there. I mean, look, you

1302
01:07:24,693 --> 01:07:27,453
Speaker 3: can't do this, you know it is it's higher. Well,

1303
01:07:27,493 --> 01:07:29,173
Speaker 3: it's the court of the country, isn't it.

1304
01:07:29,173 --> 01:07:29,453
Speaker 4: Really?

1305
01:07:29,493 --> 01:07:31,813
Speaker 2: Did you read the Herald editorial.

1306
01:07:31,333 --> 01:07:33,493
Speaker 3: On that, No, I didn't. I try not to read

1307
01:07:33,493 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 3: that anymore. I canceled my herald.

1308
01:07:35,253 --> 01:07:38,613
Speaker 2: The Herald editorial on it was was that it was

1309
01:07:38,653 --> 01:07:41,533
Speaker 2: done with class and style. I'm choosing the similar words

1310
01:07:41,693 --> 01:07:45,973
Speaker 2: class and style. And that's the way that she was

1311
01:07:46,013 --> 01:07:49,773
Speaker 2: brought up to exercise her anger or express herself. And

1312
01:07:49,853 --> 01:07:53,373
Speaker 2: I thought, the sacredness that we are expected to behave

1313
01:07:53,573 --> 01:07:58,413
Speaker 2: with when we walk into a Maria or other place,

1314
01:07:58,533 --> 01:08:01,453
Speaker 2: if we if we behaved in that manner in reverse,

1315
01:08:01,653 --> 01:08:02,373
Speaker 2: you get lynched.

1316
01:08:02,613 --> 01:08:07,733
Speaker 3: It might be in a Hongy, you know, go back,

1317
01:08:07,813 --> 01:08:08,893
Speaker 3: go back all those years.

1318
01:08:08,933 --> 01:08:10,573
Speaker 2: You know, they deny that happened to but never one.

1319
01:08:10,573 --> 01:08:11,573
Speaker 3: We shouldn't get onto.

1320
01:08:11,373 --> 01:08:16,493
Speaker 2: That space anyway. We were a good agreement on that

1321
01:08:16,533 --> 01:08:20,573
Speaker 2: as far as MMP is concerned, just a word of counterbalance.

1322
01:08:20,933 --> 01:08:24,613
Speaker 2: There is a problem with put it this way, namely,

1323
01:08:24,973 --> 01:08:29,533
Speaker 2: an Anglo speaking country anyone from the Commonwealth that does

1324
01:08:29,893 --> 01:08:33,053
Speaker 2: any country that doesn't have political issues at the moment

1325
01:08:33,093 --> 01:08:39,533
Speaker 2: along the same lines very hard. America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,

1326
01:08:39,773 --> 01:08:44,413
Speaker 2: where else Britain and a person's even getting worse, all

1327
01:08:44,613 --> 01:08:47,893
Speaker 2: at odds with each other in most cases not a

1328
01:08:48,173 --> 01:08:51,893
Speaker 2: well except America now probably with hope balancing on the

1329
01:08:51,973 --> 01:08:53,013
Speaker 2: cliff edge, you know.

1330
01:08:53,533 --> 01:08:56,053
Speaker 3: I sometimes I think it's probably lucky we lived when

1331
01:08:56,093 --> 01:08:58,173
Speaker 3: we did, because I hate to think it's going to

1332
01:08:58,213 --> 01:09:00,653
Speaker 3: be like in twenty five or thirty years. Hopefully everyone will.

1333
01:09:00,933 --> 01:09:02,933
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Australia is going the same way. I mean,

1334
01:09:02,933 --> 01:09:05,813
Speaker 3: it's becoming a nightmare there now too, So I'm not

1335
01:09:05,893 --> 01:09:07,853
Speaker 3: quite sure what's going to happen. And I know people

1336
01:09:07,893 --> 01:09:10,973
Speaker 3: think that you're too old to even have an opinion

1337
01:09:11,013 --> 01:09:13,533
Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff, but it really worries

1338
01:09:13,573 --> 01:09:16,213
Speaker 3: me about what's going to happen, especially for grandchildren.

1339
01:09:16,413 --> 01:09:18,453
Speaker 2: I mean, what are they going to be living in? Well,

1340
01:09:18,533 --> 01:09:21,933
Speaker 2: what are they going to be believing? Exactly? It's throwning.

1341
01:09:22,893 --> 01:09:29,213
Speaker 2: I think that America is on track already to reverse

1342
01:09:29,293 --> 01:09:33,973
Speaker 2: the trend wocism is under. The American universities are all

1343
01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:36,933
Speaker 2: going to be confronted with challenges with their wocism, etc.

1344
01:09:37,413 --> 01:09:39,613
Speaker 2: And it's going to filter right through and it's going

1345
01:09:39,653 --> 01:09:42,493
Speaker 2: to do it very quickly because everybody knows you've got

1346
01:09:42,533 --> 01:09:47,013
Speaker 2: to act act ursiently. Now if and this was in

1347
01:09:47,093 --> 01:09:50,413
Speaker 2: last week's podcast too, I think wacism came out of America.

1348
01:09:50,933 --> 01:09:54,053
Speaker 2: The pushback and the killing of it is now coming

1349
01:09:54,533 --> 01:09:57,253
Speaker 2: out of America. So is that trend go to follow

1350
01:09:57,293 --> 01:10:01,213
Speaker 2: the previous trend and deal with the issue here and

1351
01:10:01,253 --> 01:10:04,293
Speaker 2: there and everywhere, And we'll only know in time.

1352
01:10:05,053 --> 01:10:07,333
Speaker 3: I think the exciting thing was and I mean everyone

1353
01:10:07,413 --> 01:10:10,573
Speaker 3: loves rubbishing the tr family, but young Baron who is

1354
01:10:10,613 --> 01:10:14,013
Speaker 3: eighteen years old. I mean he took over if you

1355
01:10:14,293 --> 01:10:19,053
Speaker 3: believe everything that you know, the Trump machine, and will

1356
01:10:19,093 --> 01:10:21,333
Speaker 3: you see how many young people actually voted for Trump,

1357
01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:23,653
Speaker 3: which is quite amazing. But he turned it around where

1358
01:10:24,093 --> 01:10:27,213
Speaker 3: you know, Trump's what nearly eighty years old, his son

1359
01:10:27,333 --> 01:10:30,293
Speaker 3: actually got him onto the youngto I mean, I've never

1360
01:10:30,333 --> 01:10:32,453
Speaker 3: seen so much stuff on TikTok on my whole life,

1361
01:10:32,453 --> 01:10:38,773
Speaker 3: but young people actually supporting a geriatric person and loving

1362
01:10:38,813 --> 01:10:39,413
Speaker 3: what he's doing.

1363
01:10:39,453 --> 01:10:41,173
Speaker 2: So I think there is hope there.

1364
01:10:41,453 --> 01:10:44,893
Speaker 3: You know that young people want and they can't cope

1365
01:10:44,893 --> 01:10:47,173
Speaker 3: with what's happening in the universities other you know, but

1366
01:10:47,213 --> 01:10:48,973
Speaker 3: they haven't had a voice because they haven't been allowed

1367
01:10:49,013 --> 01:10:49,773
Speaker 3: to have a voice.

1368
01:10:50,093 --> 01:10:51,693
Speaker 2: And I think they are moving. I think will happen

1369
01:10:51,773 --> 01:10:55,453
Speaker 2: here too. I think so it's a matter of as

1370
01:10:55,453 --> 01:10:59,173
Speaker 2: a matter of time. There were incidents that took place,

1371
01:10:59,573 --> 01:11:01,813
Speaker 2: and there's one in particular in the book. Actually there's

1372
01:11:01,813 --> 01:11:04,533
Speaker 2: too that I want you to share with us. The

1373
01:11:04,573 --> 01:11:07,093
Speaker 2: first one, as in the order that I read them,

1374
01:11:07,613 --> 01:11:10,813
Speaker 2: was the story of what was the story about alcohol

1375
01:11:10,853 --> 01:11:13,053
Speaker 2: and drugs and in the restaurant?

1376
01:11:13,573 --> 01:11:14,973
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And.

1377
01:11:16,333 --> 01:11:19,773
Speaker 2: I've shared that with a few people and that fascinated

1378
01:11:19,813 --> 01:11:23,933
Speaker 2: with it. The young apprentice chef. Just just tell us

1379
01:11:23,933 --> 01:11:26,973
Speaker 2: a story about that young chef. We had this amazing

1380
01:11:27,053 --> 01:11:32,133
Speaker 2: young young chef that was he was a trainee and

1381
01:11:32,653 --> 01:11:35,253
Speaker 2: I had huge hopes for him, and he was doing

1382
01:11:35,293 --> 01:11:41,333
Speaker 2: everything right. And then one day Beth came to work

1383
01:11:41,933 --> 01:11:44,293
Speaker 2: and well she always came very early in the morning,

1384
01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:44,813
Speaker 2: was six.

1385
01:11:44,733 --> 01:11:47,853
Speaker 3: Six o'clock in the morning, yet and she was walking

1386
01:11:48,013 --> 01:11:49,453
Speaker 3: because she came in the front door. I was never

1387
01:11:49,453 --> 01:11:50,893
Speaker 3: allowed in the front door. I had to always go

1388
01:11:51,013 --> 01:11:53,773
Speaker 3: on the backdoor because you know, I wasn't respectable enough

1389
01:11:53,813 --> 01:11:56,253
Speaker 3: to go in the front door, but she walked and

1390
01:11:56,293 --> 01:11:58,733
Speaker 3: just passed down to us because it was Dames and Dandies,

1391
01:11:58,733 --> 01:12:02,973
Speaker 3: which was an underwear shot, which is I think Suzanne

1392
01:12:03,133 --> 01:12:05,893
Speaker 3: Turley owned it at the time, and it was one

1393
01:12:05,933 --> 01:12:09,013
Speaker 3: side and they had beautiful underwear. I mean it wasn't

1394
01:12:09,333 --> 01:12:11,013
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't a sex shop, but it was

1395
01:12:11,453 --> 01:12:13,733
Speaker 3: just very good underwear and they did very very good

1396
01:12:13,773 --> 01:12:16,973
Speaker 3: business from antoines because these people left, you know, she

1397
01:12:17,093 --> 01:12:19,933
Speaker 3: was very clever at dressing the window. Anyway, Beth arrived

1398
01:12:20,213 --> 01:12:22,853
Speaker 3: to work and there she was walking down Parnell Road

1399
01:12:22,933 --> 01:12:26,973
Speaker 3: into into the courtyard and there was underwear. There was

1400
01:12:28,053 --> 01:12:32,133
Speaker 3: fongs or bras, there were all sorts of camusoles just

1401
01:12:32,253 --> 01:12:34,773
Speaker 3: lying on the ground and so she picked them all

1402
01:12:34,853 --> 01:12:37,893
Speaker 3: up and noticed there was a big hole in Dames

1403
01:12:37,933 --> 01:12:41,613
Speaker 3: and Dandy's window, and so she took them all into

1404
01:12:41,613 --> 01:12:44,533
Speaker 3: the restaurant and rang the police. Well, the police arrived

1405
01:12:44,533 --> 01:12:48,013
Speaker 3: and they decided she had actually, you know, why did

1406
01:12:48,053 --> 01:12:49,613
Speaker 3: you break in and take all these under it? You

1407
01:12:49,653 --> 01:12:51,613
Speaker 3: don't you really you know it's not going to happen.

1408
01:12:51,693 --> 01:12:54,693
Speaker 3: It wasn't going to happen. But anyway, she was interrogated

1409
01:12:54,733 --> 01:12:57,813
Speaker 3: for a while, but then the police actually went outside

1410
01:12:58,533 --> 01:13:02,013
Speaker 3: and realized window window had been broken, but there was

1411
01:13:02,133 --> 01:13:07,133
Speaker 3: also blood on it. However, it was he had got

1412
01:13:07,173 --> 01:13:09,573
Speaker 3: in there somehow and taken all all these things out,

1413
01:13:09,613 --> 01:13:12,293
Speaker 3: and anyway it went, it went to court. It was

1414
01:13:13,013 --> 01:13:15,213
Speaker 3: Susan got them all back, obviously, but she wasn't going

1415
01:13:15,213 --> 01:13:16,973
Speaker 3: to It was a bit of a nuisance really because

1416
01:13:17,293 --> 01:13:19,973
Speaker 3: she had been insured and her shop had been broken

1417
01:13:19,973 --> 01:13:24,053
Speaker 3: into quite a lot. So he went to court and

1418
01:13:24,853 --> 01:13:28,773
Speaker 3: I got forgotten a man, very very smart QC to

1419
01:13:28,893 --> 01:13:32,173
Speaker 3: actually do it. He lives over here somewhere actually, and

1420
01:13:32,853 --> 01:13:36,453
Speaker 3: he took him to court or he was his defense

1421
01:13:36,533 --> 01:13:38,413
Speaker 3: he was a defender, or he was a defending person.

1422
01:13:39,293 --> 01:13:41,613
Speaker 3: And I said, look, I'll come along as a referee,

1423
01:13:41,613 --> 01:13:43,493
Speaker 3: and he said, no, no, we don't want you anywhere near

1424
01:13:43,533 --> 01:13:48,093
Speaker 3: the place. So he had an all woman, all women jury,

1425
01:13:48,693 --> 01:13:52,013
Speaker 3: and he did the case that I was worked him

1426
01:13:52,013 --> 01:13:53,933
Speaker 3: so hard and I'd done that and blah.

1427
01:13:53,773 --> 01:13:56,653
Speaker 2: Blah blah, you're a horrible monster. Yeah, a horrible monster.

1428
01:13:56,733 --> 01:13:59,213
Speaker 3: And anyway, he got off the hold and said no, no,

1429
01:13:59,293 --> 01:14:02,533
Speaker 3: it's just a sad situation. Anyway, that was Finn. Anyway,

1430
01:14:02,573 --> 01:14:05,373
Speaker 3: we found out, we didn't know it was him earlier on,

1431
01:14:05,413 --> 01:14:07,533
Speaker 3: but we did find it, we worked out how it was,

1432
01:14:07,573 --> 01:14:09,573
Speaker 3: but I didn't realized that you did have a little

1433
01:14:09,573 --> 01:14:14,773
Speaker 3: bit of a drug problem. But after that he was

1434
01:14:14,853 --> 01:14:18,453
Speaker 3: really totally off the rails. And then he as friends.

1435
01:14:19,333 --> 01:14:21,293
Speaker 3: They were in a car one night going home and

1436
01:14:21,293 --> 01:14:23,973
Speaker 3: they went down their street and crashed at the bottom

1437
01:14:24,013 --> 01:14:25,973
Speaker 3: and they were all killed. But there wasn't enough room

1438
01:14:26,013 --> 01:14:28,373
Speaker 3: in the car for him that the three of them

1439
01:14:28,413 --> 01:14:31,893
Speaker 3: were killed. Anyway, he just rent totally off the rails.

1440
01:14:31,933 --> 01:14:33,813
Speaker 3: In It was very, very sad because he was such

1441
01:14:33,853 --> 01:14:38,453
Speaker 3: a nice, neat person. His family were lovely, So all

1442
01:14:38,453 --> 01:14:41,053
Speaker 3: of a sudden one day someone rang and said, oh,

1443
01:14:41,213 --> 01:14:43,653
Speaker 3: this boy's dead. He had actually got in the car

1444
01:14:43,733 --> 01:14:45,933
Speaker 3: and repeated, what did it? Just because he wanted to

1445
01:14:45,933 --> 01:14:48,373
Speaker 3: be with his friends, And it was just so sad.

1446
01:14:48,413 --> 01:14:51,413
Speaker 3: But that was total drugs And we didn't know we

1447
01:14:51,453 --> 01:14:55,293
Speaker 3: had another had other boys that drugs were so readily available,

1448
01:14:56,093 --> 01:15:00,253
Speaker 3: you know, and it was I didn't, yeah, but even then,

1449
01:15:00,573 --> 01:15:03,213
Speaker 3: but he sort of didn't realize they were taking them.

1450
01:15:03,253 --> 01:15:04,933
Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden, you had actually picked

1451
01:15:05,093 --> 01:15:07,373
Speaker 3: once you knew what was happening, he picked up on,

1452
01:15:08,413 --> 01:15:11,213
Speaker 3: you know, their habits and the way certainly they're arriving

1453
01:15:11,213 --> 01:15:13,133
Speaker 3: at work, not clean enough, and you know, all that.

1454
01:15:13,013 --> 01:15:14,253
Speaker 2: Sort of stuff. So it was very sad.

1455
01:15:14,293 --> 01:15:16,333
Speaker 3: That's one of the saddest things I think ever ever had.

1456
01:15:16,373 --> 01:15:17,613
Speaker 2: I think it's a terrible story.

1457
01:15:18,093 --> 01:15:21,013
Speaker 3: Anyway, I actually went to the funeral and the parents

1458
01:15:21,013 --> 01:15:22,973
Speaker 3: asked me that I didn't warn me, but I had

1459
01:15:22,973 --> 01:15:25,333
Speaker 3: to stand up and say things. But then afterwards people

1460
01:15:26,093 --> 01:15:28,213
Speaker 3: blamed me for it, and I just felt so terrible

1461
01:15:28,213 --> 01:15:29,333
Speaker 3: about it because.

1462
01:15:30,173 --> 01:15:30,693
Speaker 2: You know, and I did.

1463
01:15:30,933 --> 01:15:33,613
Speaker 3: I did feel that quite guilty about because we didn't

1464
01:15:33,653 --> 01:15:36,093
Speaker 3: pick it up, and it was he was obviously obviously

1465
01:15:36,093 --> 01:15:39,693
Speaker 3: a very disturbed young man and was at home, yes,

1466
01:15:39,813 --> 01:15:43,453
Speaker 3: sort of off and on, but he was the most polite,

1467
01:15:43,573 --> 01:15:47,813
Speaker 3: wonderful person, and he was a sponge for knowledge. He

1468
01:15:47,893 --> 01:15:49,533
Speaker 3: was going to be a very very good chef, but

1469
01:15:49,973 --> 01:15:52,013
Speaker 3: he just got and also one with the wrong people.

1470
01:15:52,053 --> 01:15:56,693
Speaker 2: I think the other case was involving a briefcase. Oh

1471
01:15:56,733 --> 01:15:59,173
Speaker 2: I love that one. Yeah, go for it.

1472
01:15:59,213 --> 01:16:00,973
Speaker 3: I didn't at the moment at the time, but I was,

1473
01:16:01,373 --> 01:16:04,173
Speaker 3: you know, because we didn't take f post. We didn't

1474
01:16:04,533 --> 01:16:06,573
Speaker 3: never have an f poss machine till the day we

1475
01:16:06,653 --> 01:16:09,093
Speaker 3: closed the restaurant, so we just had a zips app

1476
01:16:09,693 --> 01:16:13,893
Speaker 3: or we had signing accounts, or you had cash. So anyway,

1477
01:16:14,653 --> 01:16:16,893
Speaker 3: at the end of the evening, I used to sit

1478
01:16:16,973 --> 01:16:18,573
Speaker 3: in and I didn't even think about it, just sit

1479
01:16:18,653 --> 01:16:21,413
Speaker 3: in the window and well, because we had a courtyard

1480
01:16:21,453 --> 01:16:23,933
Speaker 3: and you didn't see anybody. And I'd sit there and

1481
01:16:24,493 --> 01:16:26,733
Speaker 3: put the cash into one and put the credit cards

1482
01:16:26,773 --> 01:16:28,533
Speaker 3: into another for Beth to come and do in the morning,

1483
01:16:28,533 --> 01:16:32,093
Speaker 3: and then i'd put it in the cupboard into a

1484
01:16:32,413 --> 01:16:35,053
Speaker 3: safe that we had. Anyway, one night, it was quite

1485
01:16:35,133 --> 01:16:38,373
Speaker 3: late and I was just leaving and had I had

1486
01:16:38,413 --> 01:16:41,493
Speaker 3: a metal briefcase, which I loved anyway, so I had

1487
01:16:41,533 --> 01:16:43,693
Speaker 3: that and I was carrying it and I walk out

1488
01:16:43,733 --> 01:16:47,493
Speaker 3: and then suddenly these two big fellows they give us

1489
01:16:47,533 --> 01:16:49,933
Speaker 3: a briefcase. And I said, no, no. They said, we've just

1490
01:16:49,973 --> 01:16:51,493
Speaker 3: been watching. You've got a lot of cash there, mate,

1491
01:16:51,533 --> 01:16:53,213
Speaker 3: got a lot of cash there. I said, no, no,

1492
01:16:53,253 --> 01:16:54,973
Speaker 3: you're not having my cash, and they were tall of couse.

1493
01:16:54,973 --> 01:16:57,573
Speaker 3: Then you know, I'm just allay short us so and

1494
01:16:57,653 --> 01:16:59,573
Speaker 3: I thought no they so they said you're going to

1495
01:16:59,573 --> 01:17:02,413
Speaker 3: give it to us. I don't know what what kicked in,

1496
01:17:02,493 --> 01:17:05,133
Speaker 3: but I got the bloody briefcase and I just hit

1497
01:17:05,253 --> 01:17:07,533
Speaker 3: him right around the head, and he fell on the

1498
01:17:07,533 --> 01:17:10,133
Speaker 3: ground and fell on because you know, when our courtyard

1499
01:17:10,293 --> 01:17:15,133
Speaker 3: was were bricks and stones and rocks. We fell there

1500
01:17:15,813 --> 01:17:18,053
Speaker 3: and there's just blood pouring everywhere, and so I lifted

1501
01:17:18,053 --> 01:17:19,373
Speaker 3: it again to hit the other guy, and he just

1502
01:17:19,453 --> 01:17:22,933
Speaker 3: ran away. Anyway, I thought, oh god, and I looked

1503
01:17:22,973 --> 01:17:24,693
Speaker 3: like I've killed him, so I thought I've got it.

1504
01:17:24,733 --> 01:17:26,933
Speaker 3: So I just got it, got in my car and

1505
01:17:27,013 --> 01:17:28,733
Speaker 3: drove home as quickly as I could. And then I

1506
01:17:28,733 --> 01:17:30,813
Speaker 3: felt so guilty that I rang the police, so they

1507
01:17:30,853 --> 01:17:33,093
Speaker 3: came and got me and took me back to the restaurant.

1508
01:17:33,333 --> 01:17:35,213
Speaker 3: There was this huge pool of blood, but not him.

1509
01:17:35,253 --> 01:17:37,493
Speaker 3: He said, Oh, I think you're lucky this You're lucky

1510
01:17:37,533 --> 01:17:39,453
Speaker 3: this stone a lot of blood, but he's not dead.

1511
01:17:39,453 --> 01:17:41,013
Speaker 3: But if we find it it will be a manslaugh

1512
01:17:41,053 --> 01:17:41,573
Speaker 3: of judge.

1513
01:17:41,733 --> 01:17:44,693
Speaker 2: Wow. So you lived with that for how long?

1514
01:17:45,973 --> 01:17:46,093
Speaker 4: Oh?

1515
01:17:46,133 --> 01:17:47,853
Speaker 3: I actually was quite excited about it. I thought, oh, I'm

1516
01:17:47,853 --> 01:17:50,813
Speaker 3: stronger than I thought I was. But it was every

1517
01:17:50,893 --> 01:17:53,213
Speaker 3: day I left there I never ever took I didn't

1518
01:17:53,213 --> 01:17:55,093
Speaker 3: have the cash in the bag anyway, but we didn't

1519
01:17:55,133 --> 01:17:57,453
Speaker 3: take it home. But from then on I was made

1520
01:17:57,453 --> 01:18:00,693
Speaker 3: sure there was someone there, you know, not never by

1521
01:18:00,733 --> 01:18:04,373
Speaker 3: yourself on there because you know over you know, up

1522
01:18:04,413 --> 01:18:08,013
Speaker 3: the road and Parnell there was a motelity place that

1523
01:18:08,133 --> 01:18:11,533
Speaker 3: all the people that on the corner yeah yeah, which

1524
01:18:11,533 --> 01:18:14,733
Speaker 3: has not been nicely demolished this week. But that's where

1525
01:18:15,053 --> 01:18:18,053
Speaker 3: they put the people, you know that instead of motels,

1526
01:18:18,053 --> 01:18:19,653
Speaker 3: the homeless people. I don't know what they were, but

1527
01:18:20,093 --> 01:18:22,333
Speaker 3: they put them in there. And the minute those people arrived,

1528
01:18:22,973 --> 01:18:26,293
Speaker 3: that whole street every shop was robbed. And I had

1529
01:18:26,293 --> 01:18:30,933
Speaker 3: one one night and he was lurking around and had

1530
01:18:30,973 --> 01:18:33,693
Speaker 3: a crowbar, and I thought, I've got to do something

1531
01:18:33,733 --> 01:18:35,653
Speaker 3: about this. So I rang the police because I was

1532
01:18:35,693 --> 01:18:38,173
Speaker 3: worried that he because he had actually had broken into

1533
01:18:38,773 --> 01:18:41,853
Speaker 3: accent on wine yep. And so I rang the police

1534
01:18:41,893 --> 01:18:43,373
Speaker 3: and they said, you know, I knew they weren't going

1535
01:18:43,413 --> 01:18:44,813
Speaker 3: to cum and I said, I think you should. He's

1536
01:18:44,813 --> 01:18:47,973
Speaker 3: got a gun. They were there in two minutes. It

1537
01:18:48,013 --> 01:18:49,573
Speaker 3: wasn't a gun, it was just a piece of wood.

1538
01:18:49,653 --> 01:18:52,773
Speaker 3: But anyway, they did arrest them. But you know that

1539
01:18:52,933 --> 01:18:54,453
Speaker 3: was what are they building there?

1540
01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:56,293
Speaker 2: I well, it's a church.

1541
01:18:56,333 --> 01:18:58,493
Speaker 3: I have a feeling, you know, they're short of money.

1542
01:18:59,013 --> 01:19:02,173
Speaker 3: I have a feeling it's church land. Because if you've

1543
01:19:02,173 --> 01:19:05,373
Speaker 3: seen one since Steven's. They're building that apartment block which

1544
01:19:05,413 --> 01:19:09,533
Speaker 3: is nearly finished. I think they can do the same there. Well,

1545
01:19:10,093 --> 01:19:13,053
Speaker 3: this is all very local, but most people know that.

1546
01:19:13,253 --> 01:19:17,093
Speaker 3: Most people in New Zealand would be aware of the cathedral.

1547
01:19:17,773 --> 01:19:20,693
Speaker 3: And so that's that's the area that we're talking about.

1548
01:19:21,253 --> 01:19:23,293
Speaker 3: It's on the it's on the peak of the hill

1549
01:19:23,453 --> 01:19:28,533
Speaker 3: in the Parnell and the views from that what you're talking.

1550
01:19:28,373 --> 01:19:34,213
Speaker 2: About the number one magnificence. I'm just studying. And when

1551
01:19:34,213 --> 01:19:36,293
Speaker 2: they started buildings, I wouldn't want to live there, not

1552
01:19:36,333 --> 01:19:39,333
Speaker 2: on that corner. Busy as hell. It's appropriate being a

1553
01:19:39,453 --> 01:19:45,893
Speaker 2: church next door and you're just exposed. But it's actually

1554
01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:48,493
Speaker 2: turned out very nicely. It's a very beautiful building.

1555
01:19:48,533 --> 01:19:48,813
Speaker 4: It is.

1556
01:19:49,093 --> 01:19:50,853
Speaker 2: However, I wouldn't want to be on the ground floor.

1557
01:19:50,893 --> 01:19:51,893
Speaker 2: Have you driven past here?

1558
01:19:51,933 --> 01:19:54,813
Speaker 3: I mean you can look straight, but getting out of

1559
01:19:54,853 --> 01:19:57,053
Speaker 3: that property, it's right on the top of Brighton Road.

1560
01:19:57,493 --> 01:20:00,893
Speaker 3: In the morning, they're stacked down to shore roads. Unless

1561
01:20:00,893 --> 01:20:02,813
Speaker 3: you've got very and you know what, people will hate

1562
01:20:02,813 --> 01:20:04,093
Speaker 3: them because you know they've got a bit of money

1563
01:20:04,093 --> 01:20:05,013
Speaker 3: and they're not going to let them in.

1564
01:20:05,053 --> 01:20:07,293
Speaker 2: I would hate to be there. Well, you've added to

1565
01:20:07,813 --> 01:20:10,053
Speaker 2: my own thought. So the one on the other side,

1566
01:20:10,093 --> 01:20:12,493
Speaker 2: if that's what they're going to do, will be pretty

1567
01:20:12,533 --> 01:20:13,413
Speaker 2: much the same, and.

1568
01:20:14,893 --> 01:20:16,693
Speaker 3: They can only go a certain height because you've got

1569
01:20:16,693 --> 01:20:19,933
Speaker 3: the museums as they covenant over how far you can

1570
01:20:19,973 --> 01:20:20,293
Speaker 3: go to.

1571
01:20:21,133 --> 01:20:22,173
Speaker 2: It's an ew we think, right.

1572
01:20:22,173 --> 01:20:26,333
Speaker 3: I think so that motel is a big square area

1573
01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:29,373
Speaker 3: and it is lisol from the church, but there's no

1574
01:20:29,453 --> 01:20:32,653
Speaker 3: way because the one on Ones and Stevens, I think

1575
01:20:32,693 --> 01:20:35,133
Speaker 3: is all sold. So there is a market for and

1576
01:20:35,133 --> 01:20:36,653
Speaker 3: you've got up the road of the Old Blind and

1577
01:20:36,693 --> 01:20:37,893
Speaker 3: Stude that's packed as well.

1578
01:20:37,973 --> 01:20:38,053
Speaker 4: Well.

1579
01:20:38,053 --> 01:20:40,293
Speaker 2: It probably doesn't matter too much because most of the

1580
01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:42,453
Speaker 2: people who will live there will be retired and they're

1581
01:20:42,533 --> 01:20:44,013
Speaker 2: able to afford it. No, w aren't we going to

1582
01:20:44,013 --> 01:20:49,013
Speaker 2: work every day like we used to? Like you, it's

1583
01:20:49,053 --> 01:20:51,853
Speaker 2: a very short journey from the bedroom to the studio.

1584
01:20:53,053 --> 01:20:56,293
Speaker 2: There is one other matter that I have left till last.

1585
01:20:56,773 --> 01:20:59,053
Speaker 2: Let me do it this way. This is the dedication

1586
01:20:59,253 --> 01:20:59,933
Speaker 2: at the front.

1587
01:20:59,693 --> 01:21:00,093
Speaker 4: Of the book.

1588
01:21:00,373 --> 01:21:02,373
Speaker 2: This book is the story of two people who had

1589
01:21:02,373 --> 01:21:05,213
Speaker 2: a vision. One of them was Beth, who I was

1590
01:21:05,253 --> 01:21:08,213
Speaker 2: so blessed to find she managed to turn a dream

1591
01:21:08,453 --> 01:21:11,733
Speaker 2: to a magnificent reality with just a little help from me.

1592
01:21:12,573 --> 01:21:16,013
Speaker 2: Beth sits on my shoulder every single day, guiding me

1593
01:21:16,693 --> 01:21:21,133
Speaker 2: hopefully in the right direction. I love her, I miss her,

1594
01:21:21,693 --> 01:21:24,733
Speaker 2: and I thank her with all my heart. Now I'm

1595
01:21:24,733 --> 01:21:28,693
Speaker 2: an emotional type. I can't help it, so I know

1596
01:21:28,773 --> 01:21:32,453
Speaker 2: how you're feeling. But you were together a long time,

1597
01:21:32,573 --> 01:21:36,333
Speaker 2: you were dedicated. She was a wonderful woman. The two

1598
01:21:36,373 --> 01:21:40,453
Speaker 2: of you were a team, which is what most marriages

1599
01:21:40,493 --> 01:21:46,173
Speaker 2: should be, and you were denied access to her prematurely.

1600
01:21:48,093 --> 01:21:48,813
Speaker 2: How are you coping?

1601
01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:52,453
Speaker 3: Well, let's say, because I've now moved house, because we're

1602
01:21:52,453 --> 01:21:54,933
Speaker 3: in our house for forty two years, and Beth loved

1603
01:21:54,933 --> 01:21:58,093
Speaker 3: the garden. It was a huge garden, and I decided

1604
01:21:58,133 --> 01:22:01,213
Speaker 3: I have because I just couldn't cope with living there

1605
01:22:01,293 --> 01:22:05,493
Speaker 3: by myself without her because everything reminded me, every flower,

1606
01:22:05,533 --> 01:22:07,653
Speaker 3: because she planted them all or looked after them all,

1607
01:22:07,653 --> 01:22:10,893
Speaker 3: and I could not cope with it, really. But anyway,

1608
01:22:10,893 --> 01:22:12,973
Speaker 3: I stayed there for a really while, but then in

1609
01:22:13,013 --> 01:22:14,693
Speaker 3: the end I thought, I've just got to get out

1610
01:22:14,693 --> 01:22:17,373
Speaker 3: of here, because I've got to move on. You can't

1611
01:22:17,373 --> 01:22:20,093
Speaker 3: just sit and stagnate, and you know, you'd sit there

1612
01:22:20,093 --> 01:22:22,933
Speaker 3: and you get so emotional and probably you know you're

1613
01:22:22,933 --> 01:22:25,813
Speaker 3: by yourself and So anyway, so I did. I bought

1614
01:22:25,813 --> 01:22:29,413
Speaker 3: a new apartment, and I'm finding it very difficult to

1615
01:22:29,493 --> 01:22:33,413
Speaker 3: actually because no garden. Beautiful views, but no garden, and

1616
01:22:34,293 --> 01:22:37,093
Speaker 3: I do miss the garden. However, if you walk into

1617
01:22:37,133 --> 01:22:40,693
Speaker 3: my house, it's Beth anyway, because I've taken She's there.

1618
01:22:41,093 --> 01:22:44,653
Speaker 3: Everything I've got orchards, and I've got lovely Alma who's

1619
01:22:44,733 --> 01:22:48,333
Speaker 3: to have cartia floris. She knew how best loved having

1620
01:22:48,453 --> 01:22:50,973
Speaker 3: orchards in the house. She comes up every couple of

1621
01:22:50,973 --> 01:22:53,253
Speaker 3: weeks and just Redo does all the orchids, so that

1622
01:22:53,413 --> 01:22:57,413
Speaker 3: make sure it's all there. So however, I still have

1623
01:22:57,573 --> 01:22:59,813
Speaker 3: not got over it, and I don't think I ever will,

1624
01:22:59,893 --> 01:23:04,293
Speaker 3: because I mean we were together, what nearly fifty three years,

1625
01:23:04,533 --> 01:23:06,973
Speaker 3: and we did everything together.

1626
01:23:07,213 --> 01:23:08,453
Speaker 2: You know, we never.

1627
01:23:08,413 --> 01:23:12,093
Speaker 3: Really apart, so and that's quite unusual because in a

1628
01:23:12,293 --> 01:23:16,173
Speaker 3: restaurant situation that usually falls over. But she was a

1629
01:23:16,253 --> 01:23:20,053
Speaker 3: very strong person, I you know, and I was, as

1630
01:23:20,053 --> 01:23:21,733
Speaker 3: you probably read in the book. You know, I was

1631
01:23:22,013 --> 01:23:24,613
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a bad ass, but but I'm not

1632
01:23:24,693 --> 01:23:28,613
Speaker 3: really a bad ass. However, she was the steady hand

1633
01:23:29,373 --> 01:23:32,213
Speaker 3: that every time, like just for instance, like if I

1634
01:23:32,333 --> 01:23:34,493
Speaker 3: got it, you know, I used to get very upset

1635
01:23:34,533 --> 01:23:34,973
Speaker 3: with the stuff.

1636
01:23:35,013 --> 01:23:36,253
Speaker 2: And I don't hold back.

1637
01:23:36,293 --> 01:23:38,693
Speaker 3: I just you know, there's a tongue lashing or a

1638
01:23:38,693 --> 01:23:40,853
Speaker 3: good snake around the head, all that sort of thing.

1639
01:23:40,893 --> 01:23:42,973
Speaker 3: But she was the one that would go to them

1640
01:23:43,013 --> 01:23:46,093
Speaker 3: and say, boys, just come around the corner, just ignore him,

1641
01:23:46,733 --> 01:23:47,453
Speaker 3: you'll come down.

1642
01:23:47,493 --> 01:23:49,213
Speaker 2: It's nothing personal. And so she was.

1643
01:23:50,413 --> 01:23:52,573
Speaker 3: She looked after the whole front. I mean, she was

1644
01:23:52,613 --> 01:23:56,413
Speaker 3: everyone's mother anyway. So you know, people like Simon Wooley

1645
01:23:56,413 --> 01:23:58,453
Speaker 3: and they were they were was for ten years. He's

1646
01:23:58,453 --> 01:24:01,053
Speaker 3: some of these waiters. You know, they were our children

1647
01:24:01,093 --> 01:24:04,813
Speaker 3: really when you think about it. But she was such

1648
01:24:04,813 --> 01:24:07,933
Speaker 3: a good person and I probably didn't deserve her, but

1649
01:24:08,013 --> 01:24:10,973
Speaker 3: she was. She was with her weight in gold. And

1650
01:24:11,653 --> 01:24:13,493
Speaker 3: I mean even now, I mean you're sitting there and

1651
01:24:13,533 --> 01:24:16,093
Speaker 3: you're talking about and I'm getting a bit emotional about

1652
01:24:16,133 --> 01:24:16,613
Speaker 3: it too, But.

1653
01:24:18,093 --> 01:24:19,853
Speaker 2: She talks. I talk to her all the time.

1654
01:24:20,013 --> 01:24:21,893
Speaker 3: I just because especially if I get a little bit

1655
01:24:21,933 --> 01:24:24,693
Speaker 3: out of control, I say, oh, okay, okay. You know,

1656
01:24:24,773 --> 01:24:28,613
Speaker 3: I was sitting somewhere the other day and I said, okay,

1657
01:24:28,653 --> 01:24:30,173
Speaker 3: I'll stop, and they said, what do you try and say?

1658
01:24:30,213 --> 01:24:33,173
Speaker 3: A best just told me to shut up. You know,

1659
01:24:33,253 --> 01:24:35,333
Speaker 3: if I go and give a speech anywhere, you know,

1660
01:24:35,373 --> 01:24:39,813
Speaker 3: and you start rambling. I just I always see she's

1661
01:24:39,813 --> 01:24:41,693
Speaker 3: sitting in front of me, and like she would always,

1662
01:24:41,733 --> 01:24:44,693
Speaker 3: you know, if I started wrong, she'd just on the

1663
01:24:44,733 --> 01:24:47,813
Speaker 3: watch or sip it, you know, and then I know

1664
01:24:47,853 --> 01:24:50,973
Speaker 3: what's got to stop now, because you know, my father

1665
01:24:51,093 --> 01:24:53,333
Speaker 3: used to say, I was vaccinated with a gramophone needle.

1666
01:24:53,413 --> 01:24:55,013
Speaker 3: So I do get a bit carried away. And I

1667
01:24:55,013 --> 01:24:58,093
Speaker 3: don't care what anyone thinks. But see she did care

1668
01:24:58,133 --> 01:25:02,173
Speaker 3: about what people thought. And she she kept down twince going,

1669
01:25:02,253 --> 01:25:04,413
Speaker 3: and that's all there is to it. But when she went,

1670
01:25:04,493 --> 01:25:06,933
Speaker 3: it was Simon Woolley who came in because she got very,

1671
01:25:07,053 --> 01:25:10,693
Speaker 3: very very sick, and it was all very sudden, and

1672
01:25:11,133 --> 01:25:13,693
Speaker 3: Simon Woolley came and said, you've got to close this restaurant.

1673
01:25:13,733 --> 01:25:15,213
Speaker 3: You've just got to get out of here. You cannot

1674
01:25:15,213 --> 01:25:17,853
Speaker 3: stay here anymore. And that was mid COVID, or just

1675
01:25:17,933 --> 01:25:19,333
Speaker 3: to I know it just after COVID.

1676
01:25:20,133 --> 01:25:20,253
Speaker 4: You know.

1677
01:25:20,293 --> 01:25:22,093
Speaker 3: It was the best thing I ever did in my life,

1678
01:25:22,133 --> 01:25:23,933
Speaker 3: was in two and I didn't tell anyone we were

1679
01:25:23,933 --> 01:25:26,613
Speaker 3: closing it. Two days that place stripped out and people

1680
01:25:26,653 --> 01:25:28,973
Speaker 3: thought we were redecorating, and it just never opened again.

1681
01:25:29,533 --> 01:25:31,653
Speaker 2: And I did go. After birth passed.

1682
01:25:31,693 --> 01:25:35,133
Speaker 3: I went went up to the restaurant when we're doing

1683
01:25:35,413 --> 01:25:38,133
Speaker 3: jewelry and I we're doing the book, and I went

1684
01:25:38,213 --> 01:25:40,773
Speaker 3: and sat in there and I just cried my eyes out.

1685
01:25:40,813 --> 01:25:43,213
Speaker 3: I just couldn't cove and I thought, did I actually

1686
01:25:43,213 --> 01:25:46,053
Speaker 3: spend fifty years of my life in this funny little hole,

1687
01:25:46,213 --> 01:25:49,533
Speaker 3: you know? And it was that was my exit and

1688
01:25:49,613 --> 01:25:52,333
Speaker 3: I suddenly realized, you know, there is another life and

1689
01:25:52,373 --> 01:25:53,893
Speaker 3: I've got to go and do it. And I have

1690
01:25:54,013 --> 01:25:56,213
Speaker 3: done it. I mean, I'm quite excited at the moment.

1691
01:25:56,253 --> 01:25:59,333
Speaker 3: I'm opening in a new company, and I'm doing a

1692
01:25:59,413 --> 01:26:01,653
Speaker 3: mentoring work at the aut and I'm doing a lot

1693
01:26:01,653 --> 01:26:04,173
Speaker 3: of charity work. So I just keep so busy, but

1694
01:26:04,213 --> 01:26:06,613
Speaker 3: I have to because of every now and then you're

1695
01:26:06,613 --> 01:26:08,973
Speaker 3: sitting at home for two days and you think, you know,

1696
01:26:09,013 --> 01:26:10,213
Speaker 3: it's just a horrible feeling.

1697
01:26:10,293 --> 01:26:14,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're handling it well. And the guidance

1698
01:26:14,533 --> 01:26:17,013
Speaker 2: that you're still getting and I know that's what you're

1699
01:26:17,013 --> 01:26:21,173
Speaker 2: getting because you know, well AI called AI. So let

1700
01:26:21,173 --> 01:26:24,893
Speaker 2: them meet. Try the Story of Antwines with Tony Astell

1701
01:26:25,733 --> 01:26:30,053
Speaker 2: and I moved to Auckland in nineteen eighty five and

1702
01:26:30,693 --> 01:26:35,653
Speaker 2: I booked Antwines for my fiftieth birthday. Do you remember that?

1703
01:26:36,053 --> 01:26:38,093
Speaker 3: Only a couple of years aga, of course I can remember.

1704
01:26:38,453 --> 01:26:41,933
Speaker 2: I booked a restaurant for my fiftieth birthday, the whole restaurant,

1705
01:26:42,173 --> 01:26:44,093
Speaker 2: because only takes about thirty.

1706
01:26:43,813 --> 01:26:45,493
Speaker 3: Yep, well fifty if you want to.

1707
01:26:45,653 --> 01:26:50,093
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then my father fell very ill and

1708
01:26:50,293 --> 01:26:55,013
Speaker 2: ended up dying, and I had to cancel the reservation

1709
01:26:55,093 --> 01:26:57,573
Speaker 2: because I knew that I couldn't be there and he

1710
01:26:57,613 --> 01:27:02,173
Speaker 2: was in Australia. So the sixtieth went by and I didn't,

1711
01:27:02,213 --> 01:27:04,653
Speaker 2: but I booked it for my seventieth, and then two

1712
01:27:04,693 --> 01:27:08,973
Speaker 2: years later we booked it for the fair Well function

1713
01:27:10,493 --> 01:27:13,493
Speaker 2: from news Talks Envy. I paid for the first one

1714
01:27:13,693 --> 01:27:16,053
Speaker 2: and the company paid for the second one, so we

1715
01:27:16,093 --> 01:27:20,853
Speaker 2: spent more. Anyway, it is filled with memories and I

1716
01:27:20,973 --> 01:27:25,533
Speaker 2: was I felt pangs and different other emotions as I

1717
01:27:25,573 --> 01:27:29,253
Speaker 2: read the book, from ranging from sadness to getting a

1718
01:27:29,333 --> 01:27:33,573
Speaker 2: cracking a smile at least. So thank you. It's been

1719
01:27:33,613 --> 01:27:35,493
Speaker 2: great doing this with you. This is the longest one

1720
01:27:35,533 --> 01:27:38,373
Speaker 2: I've ever done. Oh really, yeah, Oh I'm not And

1721
01:27:38,453 --> 01:27:42,293
Speaker 2: it's just just what I wanted it to be, a

1722
01:27:42,333 --> 01:27:44,853
Speaker 2: conversation with you and me and anybody who wants to

1723
01:27:44,893 --> 01:27:48,853
Speaker 2: eavesdrop is welcome. Good stuff. That's fantastic, Tony love you, thank.

1724
01:27:48,653 --> 01:28:03,493
Speaker 4: You, missus.

1725
01:28:03,493 --> 01:28:06,173
Speaker 2: Producer. Here we are for the final mail room for

1726
01:28:06,613 --> 01:28:10,693
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and let's make it short and sharp.

1727
01:28:10,733 --> 01:28:14,053
Speaker 5: Heall we leiden, I can't believe another year has gone by.

1728
01:28:14,133 --> 01:28:16,573
Speaker 5: It incredible. I know we're all saying it aren't.

1729
01:28:16,573 --> 01:28:21,533
Speaker 2: We're a title of six years now, believable anyway you launch.

1730
01:28:22,253 --> 01:28:26,213
Speaker 5: Leyden Brett says, isn't it interesting the world over that

1731
01:28:26,373 --> 01:28:30,173
Speaker 5: the same basic manipulations of people goes on today as

1732
01:28:30,173 --> 01:28:33,973
Speaker 5: it always has. Nothing new under the sun. These things

1733
01:28:33,973 --> 01:28:36,813
Speaker 5: are extremely well known and well studied, Yet we keep

1734
01:28:36,853 --> 01:28:40,813
Speaker 5: falling prey to manipulation as if we are unaware entirely,

1735
01:28:41,213 --> 01:28:44,093
Speaker 5: and humanity has learned nothing from its own history, which

1736
01:28:44,133 --> 01:28:48,773
Speaker 5: we keep repeating. It's like humanity can't or won't break

1737
01:28:48,813 --> 01:28:52,693
Speaker 5: free of our primitive hardwiring and bad habits, even though

1738
01:28:52,693 --> 01:28:55,973
Speaker 5: we have the potential within us to do so. In

1739
01:28:56,013 --> 01:28:59,213
Speaker 5: New Zealand, we suffer from long term poor governance, yet

1740
01:28:59,333 --> 01:29:01,933
Speaker 5: can't seem to find our way out of the cycle trap.

1741
01:29:02,373 --> 01:29:05,533
Speaker 5: The blind leading the blind, as it were, What will

1742
01:29:05,573 --> 01:29:08,013
Speaker 5: it take to shift us out of our malaise and

1743
01:29:08,093 --> 01:29:13,533
Speaker 5: fire a path firmly anchored in integrity, wisdom and highest good.

1744
01:29:14,213 --> 01:29:16,933
Speaker 5: Are we even brave enough to undertake such a journey?

1745
01:29:17,373 --> 01:29:19,813
Speaker 5: That's from Brett Bread for Brett.

1746
01:29:19,893 --> 01:29:22,613
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, indeed, thank you Brett. Appreciate it very much.

1747
01:29:22,653 --> 01:29:26,893
Speaker 2: Now this is a bit lengthiness. Producer Helen writes, I'm

1748
01:29:26,933 --> 01:29:30,453
Speaker 2: a member of the Methane Science Accord. We're a group

1749
01:29:30,493 --> 01:29:34,773
Speaker 2: of farmers and scientists standing against the unscientific justification of

1750
01:29:35,053 --> 01:29:40,253
Speaker 2: ruminant methane calculation, mitigation and taxation. Please do check out

1751
01:29:40,373 --> 01:29:45,773
Speaker 2: our social media face page. Sadly, well, sadly in this occasion.

1752
01:29:45,813 --> 01:29:48,973
Speaker 2: I don't do Facebook, but maybe I can have a

1753
01:29:48,973 --> 01:29:52,493
Speaker 2: look at yours. Sure. Here's our press release regarding the

1754
01:29:52,533 --> 01:29:58,013
Speaker 2: Methane Review Panel's latest findings. Methane Review Panel dazed and confused.

1755
01:29:58,053 --> 01:30:01,773
Speaker 2: The Methane Review Panel have strayed from science and been

1756
01:30:01,813 --> 01:30:05,733
Speaker 2: swept up in politics to justify continuing the methane money train,

1757
01:30:05,893 --> 01:30:10,493
Speaker 2: states Jane Smith, chair of the Methane Scienceord, regarding today's

1758
01:30:10,493 --> 01:30:15,133
Speaker 2: announcement by a Crown appointed review panel to recommend continued

1759
01:30:15,213 --> 01:30:20,333
Speaker 2: methane reduction regulation targets for New Zealand. Ruminants quote. It

1760
01:30:20,453 --> 01:30:25,093
Speaker 2: is hugely disappointing that the panel process has been clearly

1761
01:30:25,213 --> 01:30:28,973
Speaker 2: nothing more than a desktop exercise. They have ignored their

1762
01:30:29,053 --> 01:30:32,413
Speaker 2: terms of reference, where they were asked to quantify the

1763
01:30:32,453 --> 01:30:36,813
Speaker 2: actual warming impact of methane, despite their early indication that

1764
01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:41,933
Speaker 2: any reduction target was nonsensical due to the downward trajectory

1765
01:30:42,093 --> 01:30:45,853
Speaker 2: of New Zealand's livestock methane emissions and the very simple

1766
01:30:45,893 --> 01:30:50,733
Speaker 2: science behind methane levels at steady state or below. They

1767
01:30:50,773 --> 01:30:55,493
Speaker 2: have instead chosen to take a more politically palatable, scientifically

1768
01:30:55,573 --> 01:31:01,213
Speaker 2: anemic path by endorsing generic methane reduction targets. This will

1769
01:31:01,293 --> 01:31:07,053
Speaker 2: unsuccessfully lump higher costs, expedite intensification, and interfere with the

1770
01:31:07,533 --> 01:31:11,893
Speaker 2: naturally rape status of red meat sector for nothing more

1771
01:31:11,933 --> 01:31:15,933
Speaker 2: than a quasi heroic headline. The review fails to account

1772
01:31:15,933 --> 01:31:19,133
Speaker 2: for the fact that ruminants are the only emitters that

1773
01:31:19,253 --> 01:31:22,893
Speaker 2: use up the ghs. The report fails to account for

1774
01:31:22,933 --> 01:31:26,933
Speaker 2: the fact that ruminants are the only admitters that use

1775
01:31:27,013 --> 01:31:30,893
Speaker 2: up a GHG to create one, and therefore should have

1776
01:31:30,933 --> 01:31:34,733
Speaker 2: a net figure computed, and it's mystifying to see outdated

1777
01:31:34,813 --> 01:31:40,133
Speaker 2: metrics CO two and GWP being used, which grossly overstate

1778
01:31:40,173 --> 01:31:43,573
Speaker 2: methane's contribution. The taxpayer needs to ask why the panel

1779
01:31:43,773 --> 01:31:46,573
Speaker 2: dodged their one and only role of assessing science and

1780
01:31:46,653 --> 01:31:49,573
Speaker 2: methane metrics. We live in a country that cardifford an

1781
01:31:49,653 --> 01:31:54,973
Speaker 2: adequate healthcare system, yet continues to burn circa one billion

1782
01:31:55,093 --> 01:31:59,653
Speaker 2: dollars chasing methane reductions. That's really about all we need

1783
01:31:59,693 --> 01:32:01,693
Speaker 2: to know, isn't it. We live in a country that

1784
01:32:01,733 --> 01:32:05,493
Speaker 2: cardifford an adequate healthcare system, yet continues to burn circa

1785
01:32:05,693 --> 01:32:09,933
Speaker 2: one billion dollars chasing methane reduction. Perhaps it was too

1786
01:32:10,013 --> 01:32:14,173
Speaker 2: embarrassing to admit that any global warming effect of New

1787
01:32:14,293 --> 01:32:19,933
Speaker 2: Zealand methane is virtually nonexistent and so inconsequential that it

1788
01:32:20,013 --> 01:32:22,773
Speaker 2: cannot be measured. There's a lot going on in the

1789
01:32:22,813 --> 01:32:26,253
Speaker 2: methane front, and most of its lives well for those

1790
01:32:26,253 --> 01:32:27,533
Speaker 2: who are treating it as a curse.

1791
01:32:28,373 --> 01:32:31,373
Speaker 5: Leyden Jin says in twenty twenty four, we learned three

1792
01:32:31,533 --> 01:32:36,373
Speaker 5: important lessons from history. Firstly, miracles do happen despite the

1793
01:32:36,413 --> 01:32:40,533
Speaker 5: constant defamation from mainstream media, the weaponization of law by

1794
01:32:40,573 --> 01:32:44,213
Speaker 5: the Democrats, and the two assassination attempts on his life.

1795
01:32:44,613 --> 01:32:47,613
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's return as the forty seventh President of the

1796
01:32:47,733 --> 01:32:52,093
Speaker 5: United States is nothing short of a miracle. Secondly, one

1797
01:32:52,213 --> 01:32:55,733
Speaker 5: person can make a difference. You mentioned Robbie Starbuck, a

1798
01:32:55,773 --> 01:32:59,093
Speaker 5: Hollywood music video editor who turned into a one man

1799
01:32:59,213 --> 01:33:03,173
Speaker 5: army against DEI. He and his team managed to pressure

1800
01:33:03,213 --> 01:33:07,213
Speaker 5: Walmart Harley, Davidson, Ford, and many others to have abandoned

1801
01:33:07,253 --> 01:33:12,893
Speaker 5: their DEI policy. Thirdly, boundaries are compulsory for human flourishing.

1802
01:33:13,253 --> 01:33:17,373
Speaker 5: We have to protect children from being castrated by trans ideology,

1803
01:33:17,973 --> 01:33:22,293
Speaker 5: protect the country's borders from unwanted immigrants, and protect free

1804
01:33:22,293 --> 01:33:27,133
Speaker 5: speech from being stifled, all necessary boundaries for a free world.

1805
01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:30,973
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty five, I look forward to three things. Firstly,

1806
01:33:31,013 --> 01:33:34,893
Speaker 5: that Pierre Polivere will depose that sick, twisted communist Dustin

1807
01:33:35,013 --> 01:33:39,253
Speaker 5: Trudeau from Canada. Secondly, that more woke companies go broke,

1808
01:33:39,373 --> 01:33:44,413
Speaker 5: starting with Jaguar with their stupid, idiotic non binary ad. Thirdly,

1809
01:33:44,493 --> 01:33:47,693
Speaker 5: that I get to listen to the Laytonsmith podcast number

1810
01:33:47,733 --> 01:33:50,973
Speaker 5: three hundred. I know it's been said many times by others,

1811
01:33:51,013 --> 01:33:53,973
Speaker 5: but it's worth repeating. Thank you for doing God's work

1812
01:33:54,013 --> 01:33:57,413
Speaker 5: and speaking truth to power in your podcast. Laton, you

1813
01:33:57,533 --> 01:34:01,093
Speaker 5: make every Wednesday a real joy, have a well deserved

1814
01:34:01,173 --> 01:34:04,053
Speaker 5: break and I'll hear from you next year. God bless

1815
01:34:04,453 --> 01:34:06,213
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Jim, Thank thank you.

1816
01:34:06,173 --> 01:34:08,213
Speaker 2: Jim, Thank you you have worked over time.

1817
01:34:08,653 --> 01:34:10,173
Speaker 5: Thank you Jan Yes you have.

1818
01:34:11,173 --> 01:34:15,293
Speaker 2: Na from Gillian as a long time listener of your

1819
01:34:15,293 --> 01:34:18,733
Speaker 2: good self. I am commenting for the first time as

1820
01:34:18,773 --> 01:34:21,133
Speaker 2: a fit and healthy seventy three year old. Last year

1821
01:34:21,173 --> 01:34:23,813
Speaker 2: I discovered I had a tumor of the pancreas and

1822
01:34:23,933 --> 01:34:26,373
Speaker 2: with it, and within a month was admitted to North

1823
01:34:26,373 --> 01:34:30,773
Speaker 2: Shore Hospital for the Whipple surgery. All went well and

1824
01:34:30,853 --> 01:34:35,933
Speaker 2: I was released from hospital eleven days later. This was

1825
01:34:35,973 --> 01:34:38,413
Speaker 2: the first time I had used the hospital service since

1826
01:34:38,493 --> 01:34:40,973
Speaker 2: the cesarean birth of my son thirty nine years ago,

1827
01:34:41,373 --> 01:34:44,333
Speaker 2: and I cannot speak highly enough of my care and

1828
01:34:44,453 --> 01:34:47,813
Speaker 2: follow up chemo. To hear you read out the Act

1829
01:34:47,853 --> 01:34:54,253
Speaker 2: press release regarding Nursing Council pillars of competency stipulations for

1830
01:34:54,373 --> 01:34:57,533
Speaker 2: nurses in New Zealand. I had to laugh when you

1831
01:34:57,613 --> 01:35:00,253
Speaker 2: encountered a word that you could not pronounce, which came

1832
01:35:00,333 --> 01:35:05,773
Speaker 2: under the heading of communication. This really is a step

1833
01:35:05,853 --> 01:35:07,973
Speaker 2: too far, and I look forward to a bit of

1834
01:35:08,053 --> 01:35:11,133
Speaker 2: sen returning to our beautiful country. Just had a call

1835
01:35:11,213 --> 01:35:13,493
Speaker 2: from my son who is trying to enroll his five

1836
01:35:13,573 --> 01:35:17,213
Speaker 2: year old daughter in school, and one of the forms

1837
01:35:17,213 --> 01:35:19,173
Speaker 2: he had to fill in had a word that he

1838
01:35:19,253 --> 01:35:24,333
Speaker 2: had never heard of, he being a linguist and translator

1839
01:35:24,653 --> 01:35:28,293
Speaker 2: of Japanese to English. Best wish is for the festive

1840
01:35:28,373 --> 01:35:32,253
Speaker 2: season to you and yours from Jill, third generation Kiwi.

1841
01:35:33,413 --> 01:35:36,373
Speaker 2: Thank you, and that's the note on which we finish

1842
01:35:36,933 --> 01:35:39,133
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. This is a producer. Thank you for

1843
01:35:39,213 --> 01:35:42,613
Speaker 2: all your input late, on which there has been much, no, not.

1844
01:35:42,653 --> 01:35:45,653
Speaker 5: Hardly any, to be honest with you, but I hope

1845
01:35:45,693 --> 01:35:49,893
Speaker 5: everybody has a wonderful Christmas and New Year, and we

1846
01:35:49,933 --> 01:35:52,173
Speaker 5: look forward to seeing your back again next year.

1847
01:35:52,973 --> 01:35:55,573
Speaker 2: Indeed, and to celebrate, I brought you a little drink.

1848
01:35:55,733 --> 01:35:58,133
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you so much. It's the smallest glass of

1849
01:35:58,133 --> 01:36:01,133
Speaker 5: water I have ever seen. And why do you persist

1850
01:36:01,173 --> 01:36:02,133
Speaker 5: with these glasses?

1851
01:36:02,133 --> 01:36:04,413
Speaker 2: It's like a bimble because I don't want to overdrink.

1852
01:36:04,533 --> 01:36:08,093
Speaker 2: You don't like drinking water. Do you see you next year?

1853
01:36:26,933 --> 01:36:27,133
Speaker 6: Now?

1854
01:36:27,453 --> 01:36:32,453
Speaker 2: Just an addendum to what I was quoting from Judge Willie.

1855
01:36:33,013 --> 01:36:36,773
Speaker 2: It's the last paragraph of that article that really matters.

1856
01:36:37,333 --> 01:36:39,573
Speaker 2: The whole article itself is very good, but when you

1857
01:36:39,653 --> 01:36:43,573
Speaker 2: get to that final paragraph, he pulls no punches. Let

1858
01:36:43,613 --> 01:36:48,173
Speaker 2: me put it that way now. In conclusion, I want

1859
01:36:48,213 --> 01:36:52,653
Speaker 2: to refer you to this particular piece, this article, The

1860
01:36:52,733 --> 01:36:55,413
Speaker 2: Rise and Fall of Western Science. You can access it

1861
01:36:55,693 --> 01:36:59,133
Speaker 2: via the Brownstone Institute, or you can access it through

1862
01:36:59,333 --> 01:37:04,493
Speaker 2: I think it's a real clear science written by Thomas First,

1863
01:37:04,653 --> 01:37:08,813
Speaker 2: who I had not been aware of until this actually peered.

1864
01:37:09,693 --> 01:37:14,133
Speaker 2: Thomas First teaches applied mathematics at Palaki University, Czech Republic.

1865
01:37:14,413 --> 01:37:20,333
Speaker 2: His background is in mathematic mathematical modeling and data science.

1866
01:37:20,373 --> 01:37:23,933
Speaker 2: He's the co founder of the Association of Microbiologists, Immunologists

1867
01:37:24,013 --> 01:37:28,173
Speaker 2: and Statisticians, which has been providing the Czech Republic with

1868
01:37:28,333 --> 01:37:33,133
Speaker 2: data based and honest information about the coronavirus epidemic. He's

1869
01:37:33,173 --> 01:37:37,893
Speaker 2: also co founder of Samisdat, a journal which focuses on

1870
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:43,173
Speaker 2: uncovering scientific misconduct in Czech science. We are one of

1871
01:37:43,213 --> 01:37:48,773
Speaker 2: those here. I think probably the closest we would have

1872
01:37:48,973 --> 01:37:54,733
Speaker 2: would be Guy Hatchet. Anyway, The Rise and Fall of

1873
01:37:54,733 --> 01:37:57,093
Speaker 2: Western Science. I'm not going to read the whole thing,

1874
01:37:57,133 --> 01:38:01,293
Speaker 2: it's nine pages, but he runs through the history of

1875
01:38:01,373 --> 01:38:07,093
Speaker 2: Western science, the technological sprint in the late nineteenth century,

1876
01:38:07,573 --> 01:38:13,173
Speaker 2: collectivist ideologies of the twentieth century big state and big business.

1877
01:38:13,693 --> 01:38:18,173
Speaker 2: Then we get to going downhill. Actually, before I get

1878
01:38:18,213 --> 01:38:22,653
Speaker 2: to going downhill, the previous subhead is big state and

1879
01:38:22,693 --> 01:38:26,053
Speaker 2: big business. Since the beginning of the Cold War, the

1880
01:38:26,093 --> 01:38:29,933
Speaker 2: two superpowers disagreed on everything about from one thing, everything

1881
01:38:30,013 --> 01:38:34,333
Speaker 2: must be based on science. The East continued with nationalized

1882
01:38:34,493 --> 01:38:38,893
Speaker 2: science under this system. The areas of research that thrived

1883
01:38:38,893 --> 01:38:42,333
Speaker 2: in the Soviet Bloc were mainly those that were not

1884
01:38:42,453 --> 01:38:46,853
Speaker 2: asked to scientifically underpin communist ideology, but rather to catch

1885
01:38:46,933 --> 01:38:50,813
Speaker 2: up and overtake the capitalist bloc. And they're just taking

1886
01:38:50,853 --> 01:38:55,093
Speaker 2: some selected sentences out of some of these paragraphs. It

1887
01:38:55,173 --> 01:38:57,493
Speaker 2: really is just to entice you to read it yourself.

1888
01:38:58,173 --> 01:39:00,853
Speaker 2: The amount of public funding increased sharply, and more and

1889
01:39:00,933 --> 01:39:03,933
Speaker 2: more research areas started to appear where it was clear

1890
01:39:04,013 --> 01:39:08,733
Speaker 2: which results were politically desirable and which were not. Moves

1891
01:39:08,773 --> 01:39:13,453
Speaker 2: into areas of gender studies, etc. Then historically, the first

1892
01:39:13,453 --> 01:39:19,693
Speaker 2: post war victim of nationalized science was climatology, which today

1893
01:39:19,733 --> 01:39:23,893
Speaker 2: serves exclusively to legitimize the political goals of the de

1894
01:39:24,013 --> 01:39:29,373
Speaker 2: industrialization of the West. Next section is the West goes

1895
01:39:29,453 --> 01:39:33,413
Speaker 2: out of its mind, but the real catastrophe for Western

1896
01:39:33,453 --> 01:39:36,973
Speaker 2: science has come with the covid epidemic, when the West

1897
01:39:37,013 --> 01:39:39,933
Speaker 2: went completely out of its mind. At that moment, the

1898
01:39:39,973 --> 01:39:44,173
Speaker 2: two scientific curses of the twentieth century met in terrible synergy.

1899
01:39:45,213 --> 01:39:49,373
Speaker 2: Big business quickly understood that the epidemic represented an opportunity

1900
01:39:49,453 --> 01:39:53,253
Speaker 2: that may not be repeated. If opioids were worth a

1901
01:39:53,293 --> 01:39:58,853
Speaker 2: few lies, the possibility of selling billions of vaccines to

1902
01:39:59,053 --> 01:40:03,733
Speaker 2: panic to governments all over the world was worth many lies. Moreover,

1903
01:40:03,773 --> 01:40:07,413
Speaker 2: the American left has just experienced the enormous shock of

1904
01:40:07,413 --> 01:40:11,693
Speaker 2: Trump's election victory and readily jumped at every opportunity to

1905
01:40:11,773 --> 01:40:17,293
Speaker 2: derail his presidency. Goes into detail there, going downhill over

1906
01:40:17,333 --> 01:40:20,653
Speaker 2: the next page. More and more disasters followed in which

1907
01:40:20,733 --> 01:40:25,533
Speaker 2: rigged research overseen by corrupt regulators led to damage on

1908
01:40:25,613 --> 01:40:31,173
Speaker 2: a staggering scale. For example, pharmaceutical companies managed to convince

1909
01:40:31,213 --> 01:40:35,253
Speaker 2: American doctors that chronic pain is a problem that tens

1910
01:40:35,293 --> 01:40:38,453
Speaker 2: of millions of people suffer from. Through a combination of

1911
01:40:38,493 --> 01:40:43,693
Speaker 2: aggressive marketing and manipulated scientific studies, they created an addiction

1912
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Speaker 2: in millions of people to opioids sold under the names

1913
01:40:46,853 --> 01:40:51,453
Speaker 2: of OxyContin and fentanyl. A little further down this tragedy

1914
01:40:51,533 --> 01:40:57,133
Speaker 2: is based on science corrupted by the pharmaceutical business and

1915
01:40:57,213 --> 01:41:02,813
Speaker 2: dysfunctional drug market regulation. Then to the end of science.

1916
01:41:03,493 --> 01:41:07,533
Speaker 2: After three hundred years, the Enlightenment project of Western science

1917
01:41:07,933 --> 01:41:10,893
Speaker 2: has rea reach and important crossroads. At the end of

1918
01:41:10,933 --> 01:41:15,333
Speaker 2: the nineteenth century, science brought fascinating progress to mankind. During

1919
01:41:15,373 --> 01:41:18,613
Speaker 2: the twentieth century, science gained so much prestige that it

1920
01:41:18,693 --> 01:41:22,893
Speaker 2: replaced religion and became a central ideology, or the central

1921
01:41:22,973 --> 01:41:28,213
Speaker 2: ideology of the world. Gradually, however, like Christianity before Reformation,

1922
01:41:28,893 --> 01:41:32,093
Speaker 2: it became a victim of its own success. Instead of

1923
01:41:32,133 --> 01:41:35,133
Speaker 2: seeking the truth about how and why the world works,

1924
01:41:35,533 --> 01:41:39,733
Speaker 2: it began to abuse its prestige and serve the powerful

1925
01:41:40,013 --> 01:41:43,053
Speaker 2: and the rich. By the end of the twentieth century,

1926
01:41:43,373 --> 01:41:46,853
Speaker 2: science had already been damaged beyond repair by either big

1927
01:41:46,853 --> 01:41:51,853
Speaker 2: governments to legitimize their ideological goals or by big business

1928
01:41:51,893 --> 01:41:57,013
Speaker 2: to legitimize the distribution of their often toxic products. The

1929
01:41:57,133 --> 01:42:00,493
Speaker 2: rotten edifice of Western science finally collapsed in twenty twenty

1930
01:42:00,733 --> 01:42:03,933
Speaker 2: during the COVID crisis. We have to wait now before

1931
01:42:04,093 --> 01:42:08,893
Speaker 2: enough people realized that science, the central ideology of our civilization,

1932
01:42:09,853 --> 01:42:13,293
Speaker 2: is in ruins. Then we can start thinking about what

1933
01:42:13,413 --> 01:42:16,613
Speaker 2: to do. Christianity was saved by the strict separation of

1934
01:42:16,693 --> 01:42:20,333
Speaker 2: church and state. To save science and equally daring step

1935
01:42:20,373 --> 01:42:24,213
Speaker 2: will be needed, but that is a topic for further essays.

1936
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Speaker 2: Thomas First af Urest is the author and it's well

1937
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Speaker 2: worth your attention. So on that note. That concludes twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, and I'll leave you with a song. It's

1939
01:42:40,173 --> 01:42:43,093
Speaker 2: a very special song written and recorded by Evan Silver,

1940
01:42:43,093 --> 01:42:46,173
Speaker 2: who's a good friend. He wrote it with the idea

1941
01:42:46,213 --> 01:42:48,293
Speaker 2: of me joining him, and I keep telling him I

1942
01:42:48,333 --> 01:42:50,733
Speaker 2: cannot hold a tune. He said, yes, you can. I

1943
01:42:50,773 --> 01:42:53,293
Speaker 2: say no, I can't, and in the end he did

1944
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Speaker 2: it on his own. It's a lovely song. Evan Silver.

1945
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Speaker 2: Take me to Christmas, and I wish you a merry

1946
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Speaker 2: Christmas and a very happy and safe New Year.

1947
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Speaker 7: Christmas is made up of omens that come once a

1948
01:43:15,773 --> 01:43:24,973
Speaker 7: year when we make up for lost time those foreign years.

1949
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Speaker 7: Weather in, sunshine, weather and rain will be there, dressed

1950
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Speaker 7: in the spirit of love.

1951
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Speaker 8: All then, good cheese.

1952
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Speaker 7: Take me to Christmas.

1953
01:43:49,013 --> 01:43:50,653
Speaker 4: I don't want to miss this.

1954
01:43:53,453 --> 01:44:08,173
Speaker 8: Take me to Christmas, an intuw year you tell me

1955
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Speaker 8: Christmas it's all about give them riceipt.

1956
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Speaker 6: Counting the gifts to be sure we've got all of me.

1957
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Speaker 6: You have some stories, I'll have a few of my sleep.

1958
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Speaker 9: So he is staying enough late this Christmas Eve, we

1959
01:44:42,093 --> 01:44:43,533
Speaker 9: better hit the road.

1960
01:44:43,853 --> 01:44:46,333
Speaker 7: Can't eat the family waiting.

1961
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Speaker 9: One thing with Christmas, it only comes around once a year.

1962
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Speaker 8: So take me to Christmas. I don't want to miss this.

1963
01:45:06,333 --> 01:45:08,813
Speaker 8: Take me to Christmas.

1964
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Speaker 2: And into New Year.

1965
01:45:14,933 --> 01:45:20,773
Speaker 7: Take me to Christmas and don't want to business.

1966
01:45:23,493 --> 01:45:29,333
Speaker 8: Take me to Christmas, Christmas and into New Year.

1967
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Speaker 7: Marry Christmas, Happy.

1968
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Speaker 4: Give you.

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