WEBVTT - Dr Libby Weaver: You're not getting enough nutrients 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.681 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks EDB. 0:00:26.761 --> 0:00:29.041 Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. 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So this is the 0:00:56.641 --> 0:00:58.761 Health Hub and we're going to have a chat about 0:00:59.841 --> 0:01:02.441 just how busy our lives are with school, you know, 0:01:02.481 --> 0:01:05.001 school runs, sports, drop offs, appointments with stuck in trap, 0:01:05.161 --> 0:01:08.921 we're running eight late for something. But there's this talk 0:01:08.961 --> 0:01:12.001 about burnout versus I mean, are you burning out and 0:01:12.201 --> 0:01:14.201 or are we just living busy lives and we need 0:01:14.241 --> 0:01:15.801 to be able to cope with it. But of course 0:01:15.881 --> 0:01:19.361 does a nutrition play a part of that? And of 0:01:19.441 --> 0:01:21.961 course I mentioned nutrition because joining us she is a 0:01:22.081 --> 0:01:25.601 nutritional biochemist and she's very familiar in news talks, a 0:01:25.681 --> 0:01:28.881 B audiences, and she's joining us now is doctor Libby Weaver. 0:01:29.081 --> 0:01:31.521 Good afternoon, Tim, Good afternoon to you. 0:01:31.601 --> 0:01:33.681 Thanks so much for having me join you for this chat. 0:01:33.801 --> 0:01:35.521 Thanks for coming on board. I was about to say 0:01:35.521 --> 0:01:40.241 that we're coming across on zoom and you're The office 0:01:40.281 --> 0:01:43.481 you are in is quite an intriguing background because it 0:01:43.481 --> 0:01:45.161 looks to me like you're trying to get a little 0:01:45.161 --> 0:01:46.601 bit of copper intake or something. 0:01:48.041 --> 0:01:50.721 It's funny that, given that copper is so important for 0:01:50.761 --> 0:01:54.001 our iron absorption and iron utilization once it's inside us. 0:01:54.041 --> 0:01:56.201 So it's very funny that you say that. No, I'm 0:01:56.241 --> 0:02:00.041 in beautiful burly heads in Queensland this afternoon. Where make 0:02:00.081 --> 0:02:02.441 you jealous? It's twenty degrees in sunshine. 0:02:02.601 --> 0:02:06.561 Ah, well it's cold here, but I like about a 0:02:06.601 --> 0:02:09.521 thirteen degree here, but the sun is still shining. Thank goodness. 0:02:10.801 --> 0:02:14.561 Is there something just on that? Just to get into it, 0:02:14.761 --> 0:02:18.001 there are always sort of topics to jure social media, 0:02:18.001 --> 0:02:21.161 people talking about being burnt out or and it seems 0:02:21.161 --> 0:02:23.121 to be almost the I don't want to say it's 0:02:23.161 --> 0:02:27.081 a trend, but we are stating our level of burnout 0:02:27.121 --> 0:02:30.321 more frequently, and I look at what previous generations have 0:02:30.361 --> 0:02:33.081 gone through and put up with where are we at 0:02:33.161 --> 0:02:36.801 with that? And does nutrition play a part in how 0:02:36.841 --> 0:02:39.241 we are dealing with our busy lives. 0:02:40.401 --> 0:02:42.961 I love this as a thing to ponder, tim, and 0:02:43.041 --> 0:02:45.081 my answer, of course is yes, nutrition plays a role 0:02:45.121 --> 0:02:48.921 in absolutely everything, including our resilience. And we can dig 0:02:49.041 --> 0:02:50.881 right into that, which I think I hope will be 0:02:50.961 --> 0:02:54.521 really helpful to listeners. But firstly that the idea of 0:02:54.561 --> 0:02:57.321 burnout is actually it's not a medical condition, but and 0:02:57.401 --> 0:02:58.881 I agree with you, it is a term that is 0:02:58.921 --> 0:03:01.601 probably overused right now, but there are certainly some people 0:03:01.601 --> 0:03:05.721 for whom it's very real, and it's described as unrelent fatigue, 0:03:05.761 --> 0:03:09.841 a sense of exhaustion that's not relieved by sleep, and 0:03:09.881 --> 0:03:13.641 it persists. And it's also it's very much linked, certainly 0:03:13.721 --> 0:03:17.041 the World Health Organization link it to the workplace, to 0:03:17.241 --> 0:03:21.561 our professional lives. But obviously, when someone is genuinely burnt out, 0:03:21.561 --> 0:03:23.521 and i'll describe the chemistry of that in a moment, 0:03:23.961 --> 0:03:27.681 of course, it can impact our personal lives. So essentially, so, 0:03:27.921 --> 0:03:31.401 cortisol is a really beautiful substance that we make inside 0:03:31.401 --> 0:03:33.761 of us. When we make the right amount of it, 0:03:33.761 --> 0:03:37.321 it has a lovely anti inflammatory effect, and when we 0:03:37.361 --> 0:03:41.321 make too much, it changes many aspects of our metabolism. 0:03:41.361 --> 0:03:44.601 It disrupts our ability to regulate blood glucose. But when 0:03:44.601 --> 0:03:47.721 we ask when in our brain, we've got our hypothalamus 0:03:47.761 --> 0:03:51.721 the master control center. It talks to the petuittory and says, hey, 0:03:52.361 --> 0:03:55.001 we're either stressed or we're not. And if the signal 0:03:55.041 --> 0:03:57.921 is sent to the petuittory, that there is stress. And 0:03:58.241 --> 0:04:01.041 I'd love to sort of unpack what people perceive stress 0:04:01.161 --> 0:04:03.761 is these days, because I think it's playing into that 0:04:03.761 --> 0:04:05.881 that then sends a message to the adrenals you need 0:04:05.921 --> 0:04:09.161 to make things like adrenaline and cortisol. So after many 0:04:09.281 --> 0:04:13.081 years of the petuitory demanding cortisol production from the adrenals, 0:04:13.081 --> 0:04:15.641 I think part of what happens is the body can 0:04:15.681 --> 0:04:20.401 no longer supply the amount that's required. We need magnesium, 0:04:20.601 --> 0:04:23.161 big group vitamins, and vitamin C to literally be able 0:04:23.201 --> 0:04:26.961 to make cortisol, and when we can't meet demand, that's 0:04:26.961 --> 0:04:29.841 when the symptoms of burnout, genuine burnout actually kick in, 0:04:29.881 --> 0:04:32.521 which is the fatigue, the muscle soreness, the stiffness, or 0:04:32.641 --> 0:04:35.641 essentially conditions of inflammation then start to kick in. 0:04:36.441 --> 0:04:38.681 How does I mean, how does does the what's the 0:04:38.801 --> 0:04:43.281 role of healthy lifestyles? And I know we're here to 0:04:43.281 --> 0:04:47.841 talk about nutrition in the sort of space, but something 0:04:47.881 --> 0:04:50.361 as simple as going for a walk and exercise and 0:04:50.401 --> 0:04:52.961 other things like that that because I mean, everything ties 0:04:52.961 --> 0:04:55.161 in together, isn't in the great White I'm a just 0:04:55.201 --> 0:04:57.201 about to sing out and John the circle of life. 0:04:57.681 --> 0:05:02.201 But I mean, it's not simple, is it. It's not 0:05:02.321 --> 0:05:04.001 just a case of you know, where you take this, 0:05:04.801 --> 0:05:08.561 eat this vegetable or eat this. There's a whole holistic 0:05:08.601 --> 0:05:11.561 thing to the way we perceive things and their attitude 0:05:11.561 --> 0:05:14.361 to burnout and stress. And you stop me anytime, because 0:05:14.401 --> 0:05:16.281 I think that's my question somewhere in there. 0:05:17.281 --> 0:05:19.681 Yeah, and I agree with you. I do feel we've 0:05:19.801 --> 0:05:23.801 made there's this tendency right now to make health really complicated. 0:05:23.841 --> 0:05:26.001 And for some people it is. I'm not denying that, 0:05:26.521 --> 0:05:29.201 but there are also for many people, there are some 0:05:29.281 --> 0:05:33.481 real basics, some real fundamentals that we're not necessarily doing 0:05:33.561 --> 0:05:37.761 so well at so we literally require nutrients, require the 0:05:37.801 --> 0:05:39.841 whole range of nutrients for our body to be able 0:05:39.841 --> 0:05:41.801 to function at its best. And a lot of people 0:05:43.001 --> 0:05:45.441 might get enough food, but they don't necessarily get enough 0:05:45.521 --> 0:05:49.281 nutrition because when they're relying on ultra process food and 0:05:49.321 --> 0:05:52.241 too much takeaway food that can be lacking in nutrients. 0:05:52.401 --> 0:05:54.681 Then of course there's the movement that going for a walk, 0:05:55.041 --> 0:05:57.841 the stretching, just the using of our body in a 0:05:57.881 --> 0:06:02.641 physical capacity, exposure to sunlight, exposure to sunshine, getting good 0:06:02.721 --> 0:06:06.521 quality sleep. So there's so many, you know, real basic 0:06:06.561 --> 0:06:09.241 fundamental requirements that I call the body our earth suit, 0:06:09.281 --> 0:06:12.561 that our earth suit needs, and for some of us, 0:06:12.601 --> 0:06:15.961 we're just not doing that well enough, and we tend 0:06:16.001 --> 0:06:18.801 to think then that there's something really complex that's required. 0:06:18.881 --> 0:06:21.081 When I like to get the basics right and then 0:06:21.161 --> 0:06:22.241 let's see what's left over. 0:06:23.521 --> 0:06:27.321 So when it comes so eating a processed diet, if 0:06:27.361 --> 0:06:30.441 you are cooking your own food, buying your own and actually, 0:06:30.601 --> 0:06:33.841 let's not pretend that's easy for everyone, because you know, 0:06:33.881 --> 0:06:36.321 buying fresh fruit and vegetables and things, there's a cost 0:06:36.361 --> 0:06:39.641 to all that. But if you are able to do 0:06:39.761 --> 0:06:44.601 your own cooking or providing for yourself, is that generally 0:06:44.681 --> 0:06:48.201 that everything in moderation sort of question answers it or 0:06:48.401 --> 0:06:52.241 because the leading question after that is is there a 0:06:52.321 --> 0:06:55.561 role for vitamins and supplements or are they just expensive wheaze? 0:06:57.041 --> 0:07:00.681 So it really so, I very much think that supplementation 0:07:00.801 --> 0:07:02.801 is required for people these days. I wish it wasn't 0:07:02.801 --> 0:07:04.801 the case. I'm the first person on the planet who 0:07:04.801 --> 0:07:07.001 wish we could get everything we need from our food 0:07:07.041 --> 0:07:11.481 these days. But because of depleted soil levels of certain nutrients, 0:07:11.561 --> 0:07:16.401 because of the constant, persistent, relentless production of stress hormones, 0:07:16.681 --> 0:07:19.921 and also our exposure to more pollutants than ever before 0:07:20.001 --> 0:07:22.081 through what we eat, drink, and absorb through our skin, 0:07:22.721 --> 0:07:26.361 air quality, etc. We literally require more nutrition to be 0:07:26.401 --> 0:07:29.561 able to deal with those pollutants and those persistent elevated 0:07:29.601 --> 0:07:32.281 stress hormones. So you sort of couple that together with 0:07:32.361 --> 0:07:35.841 depleted soil levels, and that is a key role for 0:07:35.921 --> 0:07:39.561 supplementation to play for a lot of people these days, unfortunately. 0:07:39.601 --> 0:07:42.721 And then of course there's the times in our life 0:07:42.761 --> 0:07:47.601 where certain groups in the population actually require an amount 0:07:47.601 --> 0:07:49.321 of nutrition that they might not be able to get 0:07:49.361 --> 0:07:52.641 from food. So, for example, across the menstruation years, women 0:07:52.641 --> 0:07:55.521 need eighteen milligrams of iron per day just to prevent 0:07:55.521 --> 0:07:58.121 deficiency and to put and that's quite a lot. So 0:07:58.161 --> 0:08:00.201 to put that into context, it's just over half a 0:08:00.281 --> 0:08:03.521 kilogram of beef each day. Now, I'm not suggesting everyone 0:08:03.641 --> 0:08:07.241 goes out and starts viewing that, but easy for some 0:08:07.321 --> 0:08:11.761 favor for everybody. So there are times in our life 0:08:11.761 --> 0:08:15.441 where our requirements have actually increased and we can do 0:08:15.481 --> 0:08:18.441 it through food if we're very dedicated and very focused 0:08:18.481 --> 0:08:21.921 on it. But that takes education, and it also takes 0:08:21.921 --> 0:08:25.041 a real commitment to eat for society, whereas a lot 0:08:25.041 --> 0:08:27.961 of women across that time in their life, unfortunately are 0:08:28.001 --> 0:08:31.081 still influenced by sort of dieting mentality or restricted eating 0:08:31.161 --> 0:08:33.841 in some way, and so meeting iron requirements can be 0:08:33.881 --> 0:08:36.521 really tricky with answers. 0:08:35.721 --> 0:08:38.601 That sort of sounds quite I mean that that makes 0:08:38.641 --> 0:08:43.761 me feel very It makes me feel anxious that we've 0:08:43.761 --> 0:08:46.521 got this catastrophe that we can't get what we need 0:08:46.561 --> 0:08:49.881 from our from our flora and fauna in terms of 0:08:49.921 --> 0:08:53.441 just our own environment eating wise, it feels really bad. 0:08:53.841 --> 0:08:55.841 I mean, I think you need to give me some 0:08:55.881 --> 0:08:56.321 hope on. 0:08:56.281 --> 0:09:01.401 This and get well. It's partly I dedicated one of 0:09:01.401 --> 0:09:03.441 my cookbooks to farmers. I got to know a lot 0:09:03.481 --> 0:09:08.201 of local farmers too, because if farmers stopped caring, the 0:09:08.201 --> 0:09:10.841 world's going to fall apart. So the quality of everything 0:09:10.881 --> 0:09:15.561 stems from the soil. And it's why I wish, you know, 0:09:15.561 --> 0:09:17.801 I encourage people to go to farmers markets if they 0:09:17.801 --> 0:09:21.081 have access to them, and you know their names, and 0:09:21.081 --> 0:09:22.841 shake their hands and thank them for the food that 0:09:22.881 --> 0:09:25.401 they grow, because, as I said, if they stop caring, honestly, 0:09:25.441 --> 0:09:27.641 everything will fall apart, because it really does begin with 0:09:27.681 --> 0:09:29.921 the health of the soil, and our knowledge of that 0:09:30.041 --> 0:09:33.361 is really growing. And it's also where if we can 0:09:33.681 --> 0:09:35.041 you know, if you live in an apartment, if you 0:09:35.081 --> 0:09:37.721 can grow things in a pot on your balcony, or 0:09:37.761 --> 0:09:39.481 if you can have some raised garden beds, if you 0:09:39.521 --> 0:09:42.201 do have a backyard. It is sort of returning to 0:09:42.481 --> 0:09:45.881 what our grandparents did, but it's it's really worth that 0:09:45.961 --> 0:09:50.481 time and investment in. Certainly from my values perspective, are. 0:09:50.361 --> 0:09:52.681 There simple things when it comes to my producer is 0:09:52.721 --> 0:09:56.561 chatting to because I heard you on Chatting on Mike 0:09:57.321 --> 0:09:59.881 Mike Costkings Show a week or two ago, and there 0:09:59.921 --> 0:10:02.401 was you made a comment about the copper pipes that 0:10:02.441 --> 0:10:04.481 we don't. We actually get copper from the fact that 0:10:04.521 --> 0:10:08.921 we used to get water supply from copper pipes, and 0:10:09.081 --> 0:10:11.041 because the copper helps you absorb by it and things 0:10:11.081 --> 0:10:12.961 like that. But my producer was saying that there's a 0:10:13.001 --> 0:10:14.721 thing you can buy and stick in your kettle called 0:10:14.721 --> 0:10:19.641 it it's like an iron lucky iron fish, and it's 0:10:19.681 --> 0:10:26.281 just basically it helps contribute that important mineral to our diet. 0:10:26.321 --> 0:10:28.521 I mean, are there simple things we can do like that? 0:10:29.401 --> 0:10:32.521 So I actually haven't dug into the veracity of that. 0:10:32.721 --> 0:10:35.721 So it's a trend that's come out of Asia and 0:10:35.881 --> 0:10:39.681 is used in Asian cooking, and I'm really hopeful that 0:10:39.721 --> 0:10:42.121 there is some veracity to it and that it is effective, 0:10:42.201 --> 0:10:45.361 that it does translate to that iron actually being able 0:10:45.401 --> 0:10:48.001 to enter human blood. I don't know if there's been 0:10:48.001 --> 0:10:50.401 any research done on it yet, but it's certainly something 0:10:50.401 --> 0:10:53.001 that comes up quite regularly in my chats about iron. 0:10:53.361 --> 0:10:56.161 It's it's a random thought. It just intuitively followed that 0:10:56.161 --> 0:10:58.481 when you were talking about copper pipes. So I would 0:10:58.481 --> 0:11:00.761 have never have thought of, like, I mean, should I 0:11:00.761 --> 0:11:03.441 be buying myself a copper kettle to mcap of tea? 0:11:04.041 --> 0:11:07.121 But I mean these it's part of our environment, doesn't it. 0:11:07.121 --> 0:11:09.321 And at luck cast iron cook where I don't know 0:11:09.681 --> 0:11:11.281 is there anything to be I know we're getting into 0:11:11.281 --> 0:11:13.401 it feels we're getting into wacky territory. 0:11:13.881 --> 0:11:16.721 But then maybe not really, No, not really. And it's 0:11:16.801 --> 0:11:19.081 and I consider all of you know, I look so 0:11:19.161 --> 0:11:22.521 much sadly, so much nutrition information these days is marketing. 0:11:22.561 --> 0:11:26.081 It's not robust nutrition science. And it's partly why I 0:11:26.121 --> 0:11:30.201 look to history for lessons, I guess, and a common 0:11:30.201 --> 0:11:33.041 sense approach. I try to very much approach things with 0:11:33.121 --> 0:11:35.521 that common sense had on And certainly I agree with 0:11:35.561 --> 0:11:37.401 you very much. You know, we've changed what we cook 0:11:37.441 --> 0:11:40.241 our food in, we've changed what we obtain our drinking 0:11:40.281 --> 0:11:42.841 water through in our homes in saying that we've got 0:11:42.841 --> 0:11:44.441 to be a little bit careful with copper because we 0:11:44.481 --> 0:11:46.801 don't need very much of it. We only need about 0:11:46.841 --> 0:11:50.001 one milligram, so about a thousand micrograms per day, whereas 0:11:50.041 --> 0:11:51.961 other nutrients we need a lot more of. 0:11:52.161 --> 0:11:54.001 Can you please over to it. Can you put that 0:11:54.041 --> 0:11:57.681 in context for us? Because we hear numbers and micrograms millograms, 0:11:58.361 --> 0:12:00.841 What does that actually look like in terms of where 0:12:00.881 --> 0:12:04.281 we would so for instance, water's flying through our copper pipes. 0:12:05.081 --> 0:12:10.161 I mean, obviously there's some sort of transference that goes on, 0:12:10.241 --> 0:12:12.721 but I mean, what does that look like If somebody's 0:12:12.721 --> 0:12:15.041 to do a study on it, would somebody say, well, actually, 0:12:15.081 --> 0:12:16.401 if you get all the coppy you need, you'd have 0:12:16.401 --> 0:12:19.161 to drink tin gallons a day through copper piping or 0:12:19.281 --> 0:12:22.001 is it? I mean, how do we find that context 0:12:22.001 --> 0:12:22.721 with all the numbers? 0:12:23.321 --> 0:12:26.641 Yeah, so it depends as far as water exposure to copper. 0:12:26.681 --> 0:12:29.201 It depends how long it actually sits on the copper 0:12:29.201 --> 0:12:32.681 pipe and is in contact with it. So if you 0:12:32.721 --> 0:12:34.361 know the water's been sitting in that pipe for a 0:12:34.401 --> 0:12:37.201 long time, it might actually be risky. You might actually 0:12:37.241 --> 0:12:39.721 end up with too much. Whereas when someone's using their 0:12:39.761 --> 0:12:42.601 taps and pipes regularly and it flows across it, you 0:12:42.721 --> 0:12:45.121 just obtain a fairly small amount, which can be actually 0:12:45.201 --> 0:12:48.841 quite ideal, but to be Yeah, we do get a 0:12:48.841 --> 0:12:50.881 small amount of copper through our food, so in things 0:12:50.881 --> 0:12:53.761 like dark chocolate and avocado. So there's some good news 0:12:53.761 --> 0:12:57.161 for people because they're delicious food. Yeah, so we do 0:12:57.321 --> 0:13:00.121 get some copper through our food. It's something I've been 0:13:00.161 --> 0:13:03.081 talking about though, because I've just released a book called 0:13:03.081 --> 0:13:06.641 fix im First and an nine supplement called Iconic Iron, 0:13:07.001 --> 0:13:10.201 And I feel the copper conversation gets lost in that 0:13:10.321 --> 0:13:13.841 because when we actually get iron out of our food, 0:13:14.001 --> 0:13:18.521 it's actually some copper dependent enzymes that allows the iron 0:13:18.561 --> 0:13:20.921 to travel to the bone marrow to be able to 0:13:20.961 --> 0:13:23.281 go into storage so we can use it later. And 0:13:23.801 --> 0:13:27.041 to blow everyone's mind, your your body is making two 0:13:27.081 --> 0:13:30.121 and a half million new red blood cells every single second, 0:13:30.201 --> 0:13:33.001 which is just extraordinary. And all of those red blood 0:13:33.001 --> 0:13:35.321 cells need iron and for that iron to get back 0:13:35.361 --> 0:13:37.161 to the bone marrow to make the red blood cells. 0:13:37.201 --> 0:13:39.121 That's why the copper is one of the reasons why 0:13:39.121 --> 0:13:40.121 the copper is so important. 0:13:40.441 --> 0:13:42.281 So what I mean, what are the simple ways of 0:13:42.321 --> 0:13:45.921 getting those two I mean, I mean, I know when 0:13:45.961 --> 0:13:49.041 we've had previous chats, there are different elements about nutrition 0:13:49.121 --> 0:13:52.241 we focus on, but we're focusing on those issues like 0:13:52.281 --> 0:13:54.161 copper and iron. I mean, where does that sit in 0:13:54.281 --> 0:13:58.401 terms of our priorities and how easy it is to 0:13:59.121 --> 0:14:01.761 make simple decisions to rectify the problem, any problem we 0:14:01.841 --> 0:14:02.121 might have. 0:14:02.761 --> 0:14:06.801 Yeah, So, iron deficiency is the most common nutritional deficiency globally, 0:14:06.841 --> 0:14:10.561 including in New Zealand. So up to fifty five percent 0:14:10.561 --> 0:14:13.721 of women across the menstruation years are depleted of iron 0:14:13.721 --> 0:14:17.641 in some way, and it's now affecting around thirty seven 0:14:17.761 --> 0:14:19.921 to forty percent of toddlers. So it's a really growing 0:14:19.961 --> 0:14:23.721 problem in children. And obviously our best food source is 0:14:23.801 --> 0:14:26.961 all of our awful foods that's not appealing to everyone. 0:14:27.001 --> 0:14:28.961 Our next best food sources all of our red meat, 0:14:29.041 --> 0:14:32.281 so beef and lamb. And obviously there's a trend, and 0:14:32.321 --> 0:14:37.361 particularly with teenage girls, to more vegan and vegetarian eating, 0:14:37.881 --> 0:14:41.521 and that is sometimes occurring right at a time where 0:14:41.561 --> 0:14:44.601 their iron requirement is increasing because they've just started to 0:14:44.641 --> 0:14:48.081 menstru eate. As far as little children go, I think 0:14:48.161 --> 0:14:50.121 it's one of the things I'm on a real mission 0:14:50.201 --> 0:14:53.521 with is to really increase the awareness of the importance 0:14:53.561 --> 0:14:57.841 of offering iron rich foods to little humans because the 0:14:58.281 --> 0:15:00.921 iron they're born with it's conferred at birth, only lasts 0:15:00.921 --> 0:15:03.121 them for about four to six months, and so when 0:15:03.241 --> 0:15:06.361 solids are introduced at around that six smump mark, iron 0:15:06.441 --> 0:15:08.561 rich foods need to be part of that picture. So 0:15:08.721 --> 0:15:11.161 it's all very doable with food. We just need to 0:15:11.201 --> 0:15:13.961 be focused on it and offer it to the little 0:15:13.961 --> 0:15:16.081 ones and also teenagers as well as adults. 0:15:16.161 --> 0:15:19.081 That would explain why my wife was making Would it 0:15:19.081 --> 0:15:20.841 have been a wouldn't have been a liver pathe but 0:15:20.881 --> 0:15:23.881 a liver sort of paste, I think, and was when 0:15:23.921 --> 0:15:25.721 the kids were first on it, there was there was 0:15:25.761 --> 0:15:27.761 a bit of liver in the house, which actually, to 0:15:27.801 --> 0:15:29.961 be honest, I quite tasty. 0:15:30.001 --> 0:15:33.161 Really good on you. What a superstar she is. That 0:15:33.281 --> 0:15:36.241 is so brilliant and to offer that to the whole 0:15:36.241 --> 0:15:37.801 household is outstanding. 0:15:37.961 --> 0:15:39.001 Do you like a bit of awful? 0:15:40.201 --> 0:15:41.441 Do I? Absolutely? 0:15:41.761 --> 0:15:42.201 Yeah? 0:15:42.321 --> 0:15:45.681 Good? Well you know not everyone you know not everyone's 0:15:45.721 --> 0:15:48.281 in misteak and kidney pie. Kidney's are awful, aren't they? 0:15:48.561 --> 0:15:48.921 Yeah? 0:15:49.041 --> 0:15:49.241 Yep? 0:15:49.441 --> 0:15:52.961 What kidney liver brains? I actually sheep's where we're really 0:15:53.001 --> 0:15:56.161 off on a tangent. Now sheep's brain. I think sheep's brain, 0:15:56.201 --> 0:15:58.641 I think are actually one of the most underrated foods. 0:15:58.681 --> 0:16:02.281 They're full of omega three fats. They've got colin, which 0:16:02.321 --> 0:16:04.321 is great for our brain. And when we think about 0:16:04.321 --> 0:16:06.161 how we used to eat the whole animal, the brain 0:16:06.281 --> 0:16:09.241 was obviously hard of that. And I can remember growing 0:16:09.321 --> 0:16:14.041 up in the seventies, Mum had always sheep's brains frozen 0:16:14.081 --> 0:16:16.081 in the freezer, and she would crumb them to make 0:16:16.081 --> 0:16:19.761 them a bit more palatable for me. But love them 0:16:19.801 --> 0:16:20.161 still do. 0:16:20.641 --> 0:16:22.361 I tend to think that the thing with some of 0:16:22.401 --> 0:16:27.081 these it's not to actually know what you're eating, isn't it. 0:16:27.161 --> 0:16:29.481 I mean, I just remember when I was a kid, weird. 0:16:29.921 --> 0:16:32.161 I guess it was called steak and kidney. Was before 0:16:32.201 --> 0:16:34.081 I was old enough to realize what a kidney was. 0:16:34.081 --> 0:16:36.201 It was just a word and we go ahead. We 0:16:36.361 --> 0:16:38.401 really love steak and kidney. If I'd eaten it after 0:16:38.441 --> 0:16:41.121 I'd studied the anatomy of humans and sheep, I have 0:16:41.121 --> 0:16:43.121 been like, that's a harder sell for me. 0:16:44.601 --> 0:16:46.641 It's the texture. I think that troops a lot of 0:16:46.681 --> 0:16:49.881 people up. That's certainly the feedback that you know, young 0:16:49.961 --> 0:16:52.841 children will say. But yeah, sometimes it is better not 0:16:52.841 --> 0:16:53.561 to know, isn't it. 0:16:54.201 --> 0:16:54.401 Now? 0:16:54.521 --> 0:16:56.761 Yes, we have had a few tangents. As I'm chatting 0:16:56.801 --> 0:17:00.721 with doctor Libby Weaver. She's a nutrition and biochemist, and 0:17:00.761 --> 0:17:03.201 she's actually got a new book out which is fix 0:17:03.441 --> 0:17:06.201 On First, I think, which I've heard you talking about 0:17:06.241 --> 0:17:08.841 in the media a little bit lately. And if you've 0:17:08.841 --> 0:17:12.881 got any questions for Libby about your diet, and if 0:17:12.881 --> 0:17:15.921 there's something you're concerned about or you think you might 0:17:16.001 --> 0:17:17.761 be a bit deficient in something, and how do you 0:17:18.281 --> 0:17:20.521 or if you're feeling a little bit burnt out, or 0:17:20.601 --> 0:17:23.161 anything that you've got in terms of questions for Libby, 0:17:23.361 --> 0:17:25.801 give us a call I eight hundred and eighty ten 0:17:25.881 --> 0:17:28.521 eighty text on nine two nine two. And as you've 0:17:28.641 --> 0:17:31.201 heard worth my conversation, whether are the few tangents, there's 0:17:31.241 --> 0:17:34.041 probably not too many things off limits, So give us 0:17:34.081 --> 0:17:35.521 a call I e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. 0:17:35.521 --> 0:17:37.001 We'll be back in just a moment. It's twenty four 0:17:37.001 --> 0:17:39.121 past four. News Talk said b Yes, welcome back. We're 0:17:39.161 --> 0:17:42.201 with the nutritional bichemist doctor Libby Weaver. Who's with us 0:17:42.241 --> 0:17:44.841 taking your calls? I started the conversation, by the way, 0:17:44.881 --> 0:17:48.081 talking about is there a difference between being busy and 0:17:48.121 --> 0:17:50.441 burnt out and looking after yourself nutritionally when you feel 0:17:50.441 --> 0:17:52.121 the stress is getting on top of you. But taking 0:17:52.121 --> 0:17:55.361 your calls on anything, whether it be actually just quickly, 0:17:55.401 --> 0:17:57.121 I will go to the calls. But I've had a 0:17:57.161 --> 0:18:02.321 few texts Libby about copper bracelets. What's the story with them? 0:18:02.881 --> 0:18:05.801 Yeah, so you do absorb mental. You can minerals through 0:18:05.801 --> 0:18:09.121 your skin, so that's again something that a trends that's 0:18:09.161 --> 0:18:11.961 sort of fallen away that you still see some elderly 0:18:12.041 --> 0:18:14.481 people wearing. But that is one way, Yes, we can 0:18:14.521 --> 0:18:17.321 obtain some copper. I think too though it's you know, 0:18:17.361 --> 0:18:20.401 we're barking on a bit about copper arno, but it's 0:18:20.521 --> 0:18:23.601 very important to know that we can absorb too much 0:18:23.641 --> 0:18:27.481 of certain minerals and it can then offset the balance 0:18:27.481 --> 0:18:29.921 of our minerals. So zinc and copper compete for absorption, 0:18:30.361 --> 0:18:32.961 so we have to be mindful that we have the 0:18:33.041 --> 0:18:35.121 right amount of both of those, rather than when we're 0:18:35.401 --> 0:18:37.721 real copper focused, we can end up becoming low in 0:18:37.801 --> 0:18:40.161 zinc and vice versa. When we're very zinc focused, we 0:18:40.161 --> 0:18:42.961 can end up becoming deficient in copper. So the body 0:18:43.001 --> 0:18:47.561 has an extraordinary wisdom to regulate those things. But if 0:18:47.601 --> 0:18:49.881 we are sort of hammering ourselves with too much of 0:18:49.881 --> 0:18:52.521 one or of those that can offset the other one, right. 0:18:52.441 --> 0:18:54.041 We're going to get into a bunch of calls because 0:18:54.041 --> 0:18:57.201 they're lining up. Let's go lz Hello ah. 0:18:57.161 --> 0:19:01.561 Hi, yes, hi, doctor Labe. I've read a few of 0:19:01.601 --> 0:19:07.441 your books and most recently, but twelve months ago, diagnosed 0:19:07.481 --> 0:19:14.201 with diverticulate lits have diverarticular I think it is. I 0:19:14.321 --> 0:19:21.081 then went and went on the diet recommended by a 0:19:21.161 --> 0:19:28.001 renowned nutritionist, a Lady Goodall, And then twelve months later 0:19:28.081 --> 0:19:35.721 I tested my cholesterol and it had doubled. So now 0:19:35.841 --> 0:19:41.801 I'm coping with a gut just order and trying to 0:19:42.161 --> 0:19:45.641 lower my cholesterol. Do you have any tips please? 0:19:46.881 --> 0:19:50.641 Oh? So, what I share obviously is for education purposes. 0:19:50.681 --> 0:19:52.641 It's not a prescription because I don't know your thorough 0:19:52.681 --> 0:19:56.841 health history. So but generally speaking, cholesterol, the most of 0:19:56.841 --> 0:19:59.001 the cholesterol when we have a blood test for cholesterol 0:19:59.041 --> 0:20:01.721 has been made by our liver, and then our diet 0:20:01.761 --> 0:20:05.921 contributes about twenty percent. So when someone's collect stroll suddenly 0:20:05.961 --> 0:20:10.321 elevates or or elevates quite significantly over a twelve month period, 0:20:10.441 --> 0:20:12.281 the first thing I think about is what's happening with 0:20:12.321 --> 0:20:15.401 their liver? So is there some inflammation going on? Or 0:20:15.441 --> 0:20:19.201 has there been a huge drop in fiber consumption for example, 0:20:19.201 --> 0:20:22.561 because fiber helps cholesterol leave the body, So it might 0:20:22.601 --> 0:20:25.241 be that your body's giving you feedback that the dietary 0:20:25.321 --> 0:20:27.281 changes you made is not quite right for you. 0:20:27.921 --> 0:20:33.401