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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: I am Paula Bennett, and welcome to my new Zealand

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Speaker 2: Herald podcast, Ask me anything. And one thing I've learned

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Speaker 2: in life is it's never too like to learn something new.

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Speaker 1: So on this podcast, I talk to people from all

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Speaker 1: walks of.

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Speaker 2: Life to hear about how they got to where they are,

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Speaker 2: get some advice and guidance on some of life's biggest questions.

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Speaker 2: Now I have my first repeat guest, and it's because

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Speaker 2: he's so full of advice. It's good.

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Speaker 1: I didn't stay full of himself.

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Speaker 2: I said, well, look and.

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Speaker 1: You already know it is.

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Speaker 2: It's good than the laugh, which is everyone. So of

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Speaker 2: course it is news talk z bes Berry Sober been

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Speaker 2: drew quite a lot though. You see since we last talk,

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Speaker 2: it's been just over years since Barry underwent heart surgery

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Speaker 2: and it's been quite a journey and so we want

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Speaker 2: to get some advice on some of that. So Barry,

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Paula. You're very much of the pink.

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Speaker 2: Today, Very pink today, Yes, very much. So got but

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Speaker 2: going on and I just thought, you know, sneakers in

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Speaker 2: the suit and you're away.

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Speaker 3: I sort of almost need sunglasses, but that's fine. That's

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Speaker 3: all right, I'll suffer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be all right.

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Speaker 2: I wear pink most days, and I haven't worn pink

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Speaker 2: all week, so I thought i'd overdo it today.

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Speaker 3: Excellent.

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Speaker 1: How's that? Okay? Quick fire questions.

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Speaker 2: If you can go to a pub for a drink

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Speaker 2: with anyone interesting, who would that be?

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Speaker 3: Who would it be? Oh, dear, Nelson Mandela, that would

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Speaker 3: be interesting, it would be I've met him on several occasions, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and sat with him at a dinner.

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Speaker 1: So yeah.

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Speaker 2: But by the way, he did, but he's dead unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Well and here the picked Jesus he's dead too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: But she she did a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: You always go after the unentertainable, don't you really see?

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Speaker 2: I would probably go Freddy Mercury at the moment, be interesting. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he could be, and he would fit in quite well together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. And I do quite like my flamboyant

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Speaker 2: I like the theatrical Yeah they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Drink of choice.

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Speaker 3: Drink of choice, Oh dear, I love a NEGRONI yes,

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Speaker 3: but the one that I probably and it was funny.

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Speaker 3: I went to a whiskey tasting dinner about three or

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Speaker 3: four years ago. The British ambassador had put on it

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Speaker 3: was weird Whiskeys for fifty years old. And it was

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Speaker 3: a fairly small group and they're all waxing on about whiskeys.

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Speaker 3: And I said to the man who was called the Nose,

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Speaker 3: I said, Scotsman. Obviously, I said, so quaffing whiskey, what

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Speaker 3: would you suggest? He said, Johnny Walker Black? Really, and

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Speaker 3: I've always drunk Johnny Walker Black as a nice quaffing whiskey,

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, Yeah, there you go. Okay, before

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Speaker 2: we get to your health, I think that we need

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Speaker 2: to catch up on news. So we've got Hither pregnant.

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Speaker 2: So you've got a number two child coming along. How

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Speaker 2: old is Aggy at the moment.

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Speaker 3: He's just over two and a half, yeah, going on five.

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Speaker 2: Really, he's a real character.

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Speaker 1: Well with you two his parents.

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Speaker 3: He's just amazing. And you know, every day is a

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Speaker 2: For a that curious brain.

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Speaker 3: Oh picks up on everything. I love it. And he said,

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Speaker 3: I took him down to newstalk, said be yesterday, walked

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Speaker 3: him down and he always says, Mama on the radio,

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Speaker 3: and then he says, Dad on the radio. And then

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Speaker 3: Dad were on the radio, and he said, when we

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Speaker 3: just like your brain had been thinking about it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just love that, the curing actually, and the curiosity

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Speaker 2: just honestly used to look forward to I downloaded for

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Speaker 2: seventeen years ago, by the way. And the reason I

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Speaker 3: Last thing about grandkids though, and you know it, Paula,

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Speaker 3: that you can sort of close the door and say

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Speaker 3: see you next time with your own kids. At my age,

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Speaker 3: if anybody had said to me at my age, I'd

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Speaker 3: still be having kids, said you're so you've got grandkids

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Speaker 3: I've got four grandchildren, wow, in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: And do you have quite a different relationship with them.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's terrible because they're overseas. Yes, and in this

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Speaker 3: I and Iggy because Eggy was there to meet his

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Speaker 3: nieces and nephews and two of whom are older, well

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Speaker 3: they all got on well, they all played together. Eggy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's something in the day.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my family we have because you know, we

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Speaker 2: decided years ago that were just do one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: So we don't do step sisters or brothers or children.

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Speaker 2: We don't do halves, we don't do you know, we

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Speaker 3: Week now about at the moment they're they're cousins. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because it's too hard for him, I think too. I

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Speaker 3: said to Kate, my oldest daughter, I said, it'll be

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Speaker 3: And I said, even more fantastic for you, Kate, because

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Speaker 3: when you're my age, he'll be in his early thirties.

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Speaker 3: And I would love to have a brother in his

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Speaker 2: So you touched on it, and then I took a

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Speaker 2: slightly left, But that another baby at your age.

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Speaker 1: I mean you didn't imagine that. It wasn't like I

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Speaker 3: Have I would, you know, if it was planned? Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I mean, my health is much better

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Speaker 3: that's what we'll talk about. Well that you know that

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Speaker 3: suddenly your life takes a change because your health is

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Speaker 3: something that you've always had in my case, and then

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Speaker 1: So becoming a dadd again is a big decision.

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Speaker 3: Well it is, and one can only hope that this

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Speaker 3: that I live long enough for her, first of all,

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Speaker 3: to remember her dad, although she'll have older brothers and

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Speaker 3: like to see it, get it to a reasonable age

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Speaker 3: so that she doesn't forget me, And that's certainly a possibility.

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Speaker 1: But they are a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: Although, as you just indicated, grandkids are great because you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, God, they go and I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I see I because I every day during

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Speaker 3: But I have a great time with Eggie. We've so

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Speaker 3: much fun. It's your little character.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so number two. But there'll be double work them. Mind,

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Speaker 3: Don't and we do have a nanny, so you know,

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Speaker 3: we're lucky, luckier than many that basically because of what

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Speaker 3: we do. We certainly need time in the office. You

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, because it's an advice you know podcast. Well,

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Speaker 2: listening people. I've got some good advice. Okay, child number seven,

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Speaker 2: for you, there is a wealth of experience. What's your

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Speaker 2: number one takeaway from you your years of parenting?

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Speaker 3: Well, to be there for them. You know. You know,

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Speaker 3: parents are very important to their kids even as they

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Speaker 3: you stay in touch. I would like to be in

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Speaker 3: touch much more with my two daughters in Melbourne, and

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Speaker 1: So do you parent the different children differently? You know

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Speaker 2: You must have some set rules and things that you

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Speaker 2: we and what we respond to and you know, some

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Speaker 2: need more freedom some need a bit more rules and

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Speaker 3: Very very different. I mean, you know, if I look

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Speaker 1: So did you parent them differently?

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Speaker 3: Basically they were all parented exactly the same. Some are

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Speaker 3: more rebellious than others. Some were more bookish than I mean,

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Speaker 3: But she said to me, she said, look, I get

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Speaker 3: and she works in the prisons in Victoria, Wow, with

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Speaker 3: see a path and you could see what you wanted.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the main thing with kids these days,

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Speaker 3: because there are many, many more pressures on kids today

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Speaker 2: My time, and influences and you know, keeping them off

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Speaker 3: Lives that we didn't have. When we were kids. It

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Speaker 1: What do you think they need to concentrate on in

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, the second year is well. They've concentrated a

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Speaker 3: they've given themselves a report card to work to every quarter,

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Speaker 2: Some of those ministers had really done the work in opposition,

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Speaker 3: An old golden balls Simme and Brown. I mean this boy.

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Speaker 2: So second year then, so they have rolled it a

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Speaker 3: Well, now, aby've enacted a lot of work. Now now

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Speaker 2: Truly lost interesting well, and then health is going to

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Speaker 1: That are coming as well.

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Speaker 2: Look as we are certainly were seeing, you know, a

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Speaker 3: And it's even made harder when you had a Maori

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Speaker 2: Them well and speak up for them, like you and

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Speaker 2: Back with News Talk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper. So, Barr,

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Speaker 2: it's been a big year for you, and just is

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Speaker 3: Yes, And if anyone had asked me prior to that

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Speaker 3: said no, really. And what happened was on the night

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Speaker 3: I'd given a blood something.

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Speaker 2: Because you'd been out walking and here puffing to.

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Speaker 3: Coming up Franklin, Rhode. I was puffing a bit, yeah,

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Speaker 3: doctor there Paula's She said to me, listen, we're disturbed

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Speaker 3: I went, Paula, can we talk about this tomorrow because

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Speaker 2: I didn't tell him she didn't have a heart attack.

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Speaker 3: I no heart attack. No, my heart's as healthy as

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Speaker 3: When I went into hospital, they did some tests and

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Speaker 3: that you could possibly conceive of, and they let me

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00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 3: out at about two in the morning and they said,

439
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 3: you've got to go to a cardiologist. So I went

440
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: to cardiologist and he said you probably need stints, and

441
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: stints put in your arm and feed it into vein.

442
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: And so I went into an angioplast and his head

443
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: came around the corner of the curtain and said, mate,

444
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: it's much more serious. I've always been so flamboyant about

445
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: and I still am a bit. He said much more

446
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: serious and I said what And he said, yeah, you're

447
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 3: going to need open heart surgery. I've got big blockages.

448
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: I went, oh, okay. Fortunately I had private medical insurance,

449
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: and again for people that can't afford it, I understand

450
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: because it's very expensive, and I often thought what's the

451
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 3: point of having it, but it helped a lot. So

452
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: I went into a private hospital here had my heart surgery.

453
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 3: I was in on the Monday, and they wouldn't let

454
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: me out of hospital when I had the injury. Bless

455
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: They said, you can't at any time, because once the

456
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 3: artery locks, that's it. So I went and had the operation.

457
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 3: Felt really good.

458
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: And it's that they cut your right down the yeah.

459
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: And I felt really good. But unfortunately I got up

460
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: to go to the loo. I was feeling really good,

461
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: took failures of my chest and I felt on top

462
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: of the world. And that's what I had to say

463
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: to anyone that has the surgery. You will you won't

464
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 3: feel that bad, and don't worry about going into it.

465
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 3: People do worry a lot, but it's not that bad.

466
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: They can do anything with the heart these days. But unfortunately,

467
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: on the way to the loo, mine stopped and so

468
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: they rushed in and did CPR. So it broke everything.

469
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: Progrims broke the chest bone. It broke everything, so you know,

470
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: because to do it, you've got to bring something back.

471
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: So they brought me back and I wasn't in a

472
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: great shape, so they sort of. I was three months

473
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: in hospital, to cut a long story, because I got

474
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: infected by them doing the sea because they can't go

475
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: out and sterilize their hands and it was a very

476
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: sterile area, so it was a very Then it became

477
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: very complicated and I had sex operations and.

478
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: What else did they operate on.

479
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: Oh, well, they have to get into the lungs. They

480
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: had to do what they call a pectoral flat to

481
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: heal the wound. That's to bring a peak across. They

482
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: had a plastic surgeon and for that, so a lot

483
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: of operations. And they said to me, because they always

484
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: worry about you going under, so an aesthetic where he

485
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: might lose your marbles is still cognitive. And they said

486
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 3: to me, after one and I've been pretty deeply under

487
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: and I came out and they said, who's the Prime Minister?

488
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: And I went, just said, and they went the jaws dropped,

489
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: and I said, just joking. I was fine. I never

490
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: had the issue of the cognitive Their function was never effected. Fortunately, Also,

491
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: some of your listeners may think it is. But so

492
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: I'd say to anyone. And I've talked to, funnily enough,

493
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: a number of people because they know I went through

494
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: this and they are afraid coming into surgery. And I've

495
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: talked to a number. I said, listen, don't worry. Honestly,

496
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: don't worry about a thing because we have some of

497
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: the best cardiac surgeons in the world at Auckland Hospital.

498
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: Because I ended up in the public hospital after I

499
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: had a relapse, and so it was it was an

500
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: experience that I would never want to repeat. But three

501
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: and three months in hospital was like being in prison,

502
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: and I was, well, I haven't been in prison, but

503
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: I assume it's like it. And for the last two

504
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: months I was eating ice on the morning, ice at lunchtime,

505
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: and ice at dinner. That's all I was allowed to

506
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: eat two months, because they feed you intravenously, and it

507
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: was awful. And I couldn't read. I couldn't listen to anything.

508
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: So you were there almost in a vegetary.

509
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: Couldn't you listen to anything?

510
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: Well, because you've got people coming in all the time.

511
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 3: You've got so many tubes. You can't move. Your whole

512
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: room has to move. If you want to go to

513
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: the loop, well you can't go to the loop, you

514
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 3: just you know. That's the thing that I found, probably

515
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: the hardest, was that I was so confined to a bed.

516
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't get out. So I was there, and then you.

517
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Have to learn to walk again, because muscle you.

518
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: Do, you know. And I used to look at people.

519
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: I'd see a window out my window and I watched

520
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: people walking along the street, and I was thinking, they're

521
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: so lucky they can walk, and of course then I

522
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: had to learn to walk again.

523
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: But now I'm fine, So just to step back. So

524
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: if they if you'd had more symptoms and got in

525
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: there earlier, do you think it wouldn't have been such

526
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: an extreme operation.

527
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: No, I think I think because I'd always gone for

528
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: annual checkout, so I'm not I've often said to men

529
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: in particular, that you know you check your car and

530
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: for a check up every year, we should be checking

531
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: your body in for a checkup as well. And funnily enough,

532
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: the last one, I had a thorough one and you know,

533
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: right down to the cegs and all that sort of stuff,

534
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: and they mention a calcium build up, but they said

535
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: it's natural for a maniversation. This is only about eighty

536
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: months before everything happened.

537
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: So you're only simped in then for someone that's out

538
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: there listening, and that breathing was getting worse.

539
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: Breathe just and I'm an asthmatic, but it wasn't an asthma.

540
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: Sort of short breath, my slightly light headed, and you know,

541
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: when you're exerting yourself a bit, you're the lightheadedness. You don't.

542
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: You don't want to fall over, but you feel dizzy

543
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: and you the shortness of breath. You've got to stop

544
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: and just take a bit of a rest.

545
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Carry on, all right, We're good to know because it's

546
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: just got to look at the other classic symptoms.

547
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: So how are you now when.

548
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: I was in hospital a week before last? Why pneumonia

549
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: and both lungs?

550
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Goodness?

551
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: And is that just because from the illness a year ago.

552
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: You're just gonna have to keep People have to think that,

553
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: you know, once you have once you have complications like

554
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: I had, other things can happen. And I've been in

555
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: hospital three times this year. Okay, so the first time

556
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: was with pneumonia. And pneumonia this is something else that

557
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: people don't realize. It comes on very quickly. It happens

558
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: within the space of half an hour. Suddenly you get

559
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: the jitters, you you get higher fever, and then and

560
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: you're not Your breathing is not too bad, but there's

561
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: something definitely wrong. And the first time was pneumonia. And

562
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: then the second time, we're on holiday in Fiji, which

563
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: your father nights, and there was a slight festering of

564
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: my scar. I thought, oh, this is weird. So my

565
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: cardiologist had the pleasure of getting my holiday picks with

566
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: those of my chest and I got back and when

567
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: I got back, he said, you're coming straight into hospital.

568
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: And I had my seventh operation, so they didn't open

569
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: it fully, but they opened me up a bit. And

570
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: that was in July.

571
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: That was clean out yet get the gun cout.

572
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: But then the residual is probably a week before last

573
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: I was in hospital with pneumonia, with the double mneumonia. Yeah, double.

574
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: But I'm you know, the stupid thing is that even

575
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: though you look at all those and what's happened to me,

576
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: I feel absolutely fine. And I'm fairly frivolous about health,

577
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: because you know you've got to have it. But you know,

578
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: everybody's got a diet some stage. And there's my brother

579
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: who died in his forties of cancer. He said to

580
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: me not long before he died, in fact, a few

581
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: days before. He was driving me down to the airport

582
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: and in the cargo and I said to him, he's

583
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: only forty six, And I said, must be terrible, Lenny,

584
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 3: facing the grim Reaper at your age. And he goes

585
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: sucking on a cigarette, goes, mate, mate, I reckon being

586
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: dead can be no worse than it was before you're alive.

587
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, it's something to think on that kind

588
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: of You know, we all die, you know, none of

589
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: us can avoid it. Unfortunately, it's right, and none of

590
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: us can avoid age, and you've just got to make

591
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: the best of it.

592
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: You can avoid age by dying earlier, you.

593
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: Guys, Absolutely true. I never thought I lost another brother

594
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: at sixteen, so I'm aware of that.

595
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so you've been in our house

596
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: system then a lot, and I mean we touched on

597
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: it before the break, but you know, just some amazing

598
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 2: people working really hard. But men, we are seeing a

599
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: system that's really creaking at the seams at the moment.

600
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean, what did you observe from the inside out?

601
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think the only thing that you really observe

602
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: and you realize there's no point in getting cross is

603
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: when you ring the bell for the nurse. You know,

604
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: I've waited for half an hour before a nurse will

605
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: front up, and if you wanted to go.

606
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: To the loo, it's a long time.

607
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: That's a long time to wait. And you know when

608
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: I say to them, look, I've been ringing the bell

609
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: for the last half an hour that busy, and I

610
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: always have said to them, look, don't worry. It's yeah,

611
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: not about you. I know, the system stretched. And I

612
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: think that's the only noticeable thing that I felt being

613
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: in hospital was getting attention when you really need it.

614
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: And that was only for a p I mean, it

615
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: wasn't anything that was more serious than that. If it was,

616
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: then you'd have good cause for worrying that. Unfortunately for me, it.

617
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: Was incredible people.

618
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: So has it changed the way you live? Has it

619
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: changed your outlook on life?

620
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: Not really, No, I still push Iggy on his six

621
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: k walk that we go on around the waterfront, so

622
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: not really, it hasn't. I gave up drinking for quite

623
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: a long time. But you've got to you've got to

624
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: be aware of your health. I think my wife doesn't

625
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: think I'm nearly as aware as I should be of

626
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: my health. Health. But I often said to her, well,

627
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: look it's my health. I'm the one that's going to die,

628
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: and I'm really aware of it.

629
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: And I am, yeah, yeah, but well you know you've

630
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: you've seen those symptoms of pneumonia and no, and you

631
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: you've had to act.

632
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. But but she would argue with me it's too late,

633
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: you leave it. But when I go into the hospital

634
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: and ask them, they say, with pneumonia, it's very hard

635
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: to get an early warning. You might be coughing up phlegm,

636
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: which you do you do with a health and a

637
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: chest infection anyway, But it's it's probably reading your health.

638
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: And I'm you know, I'd admit it. I'm probably not

639
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 3: the best at reading my own health. At the moment,

640
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm still numb across the chest, but other than that,

641
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm fine.

642
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the advice segment, what is some of the

643
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: best advice you've been given?

644
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: Goodness, gracious me, there's so much of it that.

645
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: What about health wise?

646
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just you know, I mean, just be aware

647
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: of your own health, be aware of your own limitations.

648
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: Probably don't do too much. And everybody says I'd never

649
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: take it easy enough, But I'm not the sort of

650
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: person that sits around and feels morose.

651
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: No, but you read it, you would read.

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Speaker 3: I read a lot and watched some of the Netflix

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Speaker 3: series and always fun.

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Speaker 2: So okay, Well, it's called ask me anything, So this

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Speaker 2: is that one little bit you get to ask me something.

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Speaker 2: Though I feel like you've asked to me enough in

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Speaker 2: my life.

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Speaker 3: No, but I reckon, you've got to be honest about this.

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Speaker 3: You're missing politics or do you think so? Ye see,

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Speaker 3: it's got a thinking.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think whether I haven't, whether I do

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Speaker 2: or not do?

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Speaker 1: Because my net.

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Speaker 3: Miss the cut and thrust. That's what you loved in politics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My next reaction is no, I don't.

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Speaker 2: But but then as I was saying, I was there

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Speaker 2: just yesterday and I did think. I've definitely got a

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Speaker 2: bit of mongrel and me.

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Speaker 3: You've got to have, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I did. I did like the cut

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Speaker 2: and thrust.

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Speaker 1: And it's nice.

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Speaker 2: I suppose what I do miss was I do think

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Speaker 2: it's something I was good at. So there's something you know,

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Speaker 2: you do take pride in something that not everyone's good at.

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Speaker 3: So that's tells the neuralty that you ol Wayne would

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Speaker 3: love it.

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Speaker 2: That sounds real.

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Speaker 3: They would love a better competition.

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Speaker 2: Not not God, no, imagine imagine that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, very thanks for coming back to chat. All the

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Speaker 2: best for the baby coming out. I'm very excited because

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Speaker 2: I like baby cuddles. If you want more from Barrie,

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Speaker 2: you can catch them every afternoon with Heather or News

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Speaker 2: Talk said b and that's it for another episode of

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Speaker 2: Ask Me Anything. If you've enjoyed this episode, please follow

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Speaker 2: me on Ask Me Anything on iHeartRadio where you get

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Speaker 2: your podcast. Make sure you check out some of my

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Speaker 2: past fabulous guests. Maybe you should go back and listen

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Speaker 2: to Barry eighteen months ago and then you can sort

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Speaker 2: of catch up again and you can double whamming of

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Speaker 2: that one. I'll be back next Sunday, though, with another

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Speaker 2: fabulous guest.

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Speaker 1: I'm Paula Bennett. Ask Me Anything.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye,