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Speaker 2: Hello, Great New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoons Full Show Podcast number one hundred. Tyler, when we

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Speaker 2: started doing the show, I thought I'll just get through

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Speaker 2: one day and see if I can handle it. We've

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Speaker 2: now done one hundred of these shows.

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Speaker 3: How crazy is that? I mean, when I thought we

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Speaker 3: thought we'd get to double digits, that was good. Then

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Speaker 3: triple digits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, aljah, and we're still a completely useless technical nightmare.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we're worse on the show one hundred than

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Speaker 3: Always goes off the off the rails.

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Speaker 2: But it was still a very interesting show. And look,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, if you listen closely, well Nat listen

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Speaker 2: that closely. But at the end, we reveal the identity

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Speaker 2: of the cookie Bear. Yep, Tom, do you do?

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Speaker 3: You're very good at that.

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Speaker 2: We talked, we talked to that, we talked to the

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Speaker 2: cookie Beer and look at a great chat across across

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Speaker 2: the show as well. So you'll hear what we talk about,

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Speaker 2: which will be announced very soon. I keep realizing that

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Speaker 2: sometimes we announce what we're going to talk about on

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about, because that's how we start the show, right, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: So it's double handling. But you work out after one

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Speaker 2: hundred episodes.

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Speaker 3: But if you're in the in the running for this

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Speaker 3: answer first, so it happens sometime in the show.

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Speaker 2: So you get the answer, and then you go to

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Speaker 2: What did I say?

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Speaker 2: So listen to the answer to the question, yep, and

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Speaker 2: All right, okay, then alright, one hundred shows, one hundred shows.

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Speaker 2: Who here's to Let's hope we get another two before

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Speaker 3: We can get to one hundred and three, so we

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Speaker 2: Not two hundred, another another two total? All right, love

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 4: Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Wednesday afternoon, seven past one,

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Speaker 3: feeling good. Hope you are as well. Get a Matt,

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Speaker 3: get a tiler.

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Speaker 2: I've just been out for a coffee with my good

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Speaker 2: buddy and we were talking about white Lotus. The TV

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Speaker 2: show watched on Neon, so the finale is out on Monday,

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Speaker 2: four pm, New Zealand Time. The penultimate episode, I watched

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Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, and everything's coming together. It

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Speaker 2: for a big finale, so be interesting to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do any spoilers.

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Speaker 3: It was a tense watch though, the penultimate I've got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very tense. And I've just read this article last

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Speaker 2: night in The Atlantic by a great writer called Helen Lewis,

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Speaker 2: and she writes about the show. Mike White is not

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Speaker 2: and I'm surprised that he doesn't do the catering and

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Speaker 2: animal handling too. This unusual level of control makes the

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Speaker 2: White Lotus the poll opposite of, say, the Marvel films,

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Speaker 2: which feel like they're written by one committee, edited by another,

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Speaker 2: and what has White Loatus done with this unusual level

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Speaker 2: and he insists on plot points that would unnerve a

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Speaker 2: you don't know by because for the longest time, Hollywood

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Speaker 2: it's not a surprise. But that's not what Mike White does.

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible show and it's kind of the the

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Speaker 2: I guess the trap that Chloe Schwarbrook's fallen into when

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Speaker 2: she's made assumptions about a large group of people and said,

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Speaker 2: there was someone from that community pushing back and saying,

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Speaker 2: a problem in politics, but in writing it's a bigger

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Speaker 2: It's a huge problem in writing because there's no surprises.

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Speaker 2: If you assign cliche opinions to everyone that in a script,

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Speaker 2: then there's no surprises how they're going to behave. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but because this busts up the current views of how

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Speaker 2: White Lotus is so, so very good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant writing and so unpredictable. But that so that

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Speaker 3: was in the Atlantic, was it?

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Speaker 2: The White Lotus is the first great post work piece

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Speaker 3: Great headline, right, And just a reminder before we get

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Speaker 2: No more dumb dodoo. Very good. Yeah, thank you. We're

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know. I mean, I think if you

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Speaker 2: bit ironic when you're demanding people's political beliefs before you

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Speaker 2: But is this just symptomatic of us all being too

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Speaker 2: I mean the first question is it right to do this?

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Speaker 3: talking about this gentleman down in Bluff Murrio. Schmidt is

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Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: Are supporting him. Good on him standing up for his principles,

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Speaker 6: To me, Hello, I don't ever ask my guests that question.

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Speaker 6: We are called Ready Yeah, kind of reviews eco lodge.

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Speaker 2: And everyone of all political persuasions welcome.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we enjoy the chat.

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Speaker 3: Would you talk about politics, Sharon, if someone did come

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Speaker 2: thinks he's sitting there at the Bluff Hill Lighthouse and

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Speaker 2: he's at there on the front lines of fighting again

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Speaker 2: against the Republican Party on the other side of the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty love your thoughts

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Speaker 3: on this one. It is twenty seven past one.

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Speaker 1: Putting the term questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 8: Remember Brook ben Velden, as she told us on the

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Speaker 8: program the other day, there was a plethora of change

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Speaker 8: coming this week under her watch. The latest is that

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Speaker 8: landowners will no longer be liable for recreational accidents. Health

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Speaker 8: and safety lawyer Grontnical centers with us. Is the law

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Speaker 8: crying out to be reformed?

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Speaker 4: No, not at all. This is a solution insert a problem.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what about White Island?

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Speaker 8: Would that not be a good example of where things

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Speaker 8: got a bit muddy? Yes, I think that's fair, and

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Speaker 8: it's probably the only example where we've seen things good

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Speaker 8: at muddy. But ultimately the court did its child and

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Speaker 8: in the High Court.

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Speaker 9: The current Management Limited was acquitted.

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Speaker 8: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 8: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, and we are discussing this B and B

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Speaker 3: owner in NAPER who is excluding or refuse to allow

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Speaker 3: Americans who voted for Donald Trump or Republicans to say

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Speaker 3: it is BMB.

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Speaker 2: Mary says on nine two nine two, which is why

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Speaker 2: hotels are so much better. I can't believe the parsimonianous

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Speaker 2: nature of this person. He will go broke if he's

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Speaker 2: not careful. I mean, as someone else pointed out, you

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Speaker 2: know how many people, how many Americans are trying to

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Speaker 2: book at the Bluff Hill Lighthouse. He did send a

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Speaker 2: letter into the Hawks Bay today detailing a letter I

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Speaker 2: believe that outlined why his letter to turning down someone.

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Speaker 2: I'll actually look into that prove it. But yeah, and just.

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Speaker 3: On the cost thing, he said his latest stance head

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Speaker 3: cost him two bookings roughly five hundred bucks worth a business,

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Speaker 3: but it would not have much of a financial impact

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Speaker 3: for him. He's retired, he says, so I do not

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Speaker 3: rely on the income from the B and B anymore.

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Speaker 3: I host people for reasons beyond just making money, so

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Speaker 3: it doesn't really have much of an financial impact on him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I worry about him, That's kind of my point.

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Speaker 2: And worry about him and extension, worry about everyone that

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Speaker 2: is too embroiled in American politics, spending too much time online,

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Speaker 2: as I assume he is by his talking points, which

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Speaker 2: are talking points that are bashed out on social media

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Speaker 2: to people. You know, as you read down, it appears

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Speaker 2: to me that he's in a bubble that's hitting one

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Speaker 2: side of the equation. And when that happens, you start

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Speaker 2: to repeat these things over and over again.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I worry about his health, mental health,

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Speaker 2: just worrying so much about something that's so far away

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Speaker 2: from you. Sure you might want to. I mean, what

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Speaker 2: percentage of your time should you spend worry about American politics.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say three percent of your time maximum,

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Speaker 2: that's an absolute maximum.

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Speaker 3: That sounds a good ratio, actually, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm worried that New Zealand as a country is spending

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say fifty percent of their time worrying

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, we're in a job where we have

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Speaker 3: to be across some things that happen in American politics,

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Speaker 3: how it relates to our own life here and in

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Speaker 3: politics in New Zealand. But this time around, actually after

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Speaker 3: the first presidency of Donald Trump, then I started to

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Speaker 3: remove myself off some of the social media platforms because

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Speaker 3: I realized I was getting far too deep and it

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Speaker 3: was not doing good things for mine.

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Speaker 2: Play overall health, You're getting played by the algorithm. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I see that happening now. I see that happening

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Speaker 2: with friends who are deep into these videos on TikTok

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Speaker 2: and Instagram that are clearly, let's not muck around it,

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Speaker 2: it's propaganda. It is propaganda that they have been fared

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Speaker 2: And I look at how anxious they are about that.

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Speaker 2: Some of it, some of it's propaganda, and some of

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Speaker 2: it is just that the algorithms and social media magnify

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Speaker 2: the most extreme views, so you start seeing them all

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Speaker 2: the time. And if you start taking on the most

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Speaker 2: extreme views, then I don't think it's good for you. Guys.

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Speaker 2: I have friends in Rotrul with an airbnb. They are

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Speaker 2: staunched labor supporters. They won't welcome clients to their BnB

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Speaker 2: unless they are left supporters, either local or foreign tourists. Wow,

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Speaker 2: so what are they going? Aw do you vote for?

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Speaker 2: And someone says national? No, No, not for you, No,

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Speaker 2: they're going to person comes up? Who'd you vote for? Labour?

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Speaker 2: Getting there?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go bankrupt as well, aren't they?

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Speaker 2: Do they not stop for a second to think that

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Speaker 2: that's a very weird way to behave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call headlines with Wendy and then we'll take a

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Speaker 3: few more of your phone calls. It is twenty six to.

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Speaker 2: Two eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: actions of a BMB owner in Napier. He has decided

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Speaker 3: to refuse service to any American who votes Republican unless

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Speaker 3: they can prove that they vote a Democrat. He says,

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Speaker 3: you can't stay here. So we've asked the question, are

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Speaker 3: we just getting a little obsessed with American politics in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, because it seems like quite a strange stance

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Speaker 3: to make for someone running a B and B in Napier.

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Speaker 2: Is everything sorted out in Napier? Is absolutely everything sorted

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Speaker 2: out around the Bluff Hill Lighthouse that he can now

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Speaker 2: be so focused on this and people are saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: why are you picking on this guy? Well, he smit

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Speaker 2: sent hawks Bay today the cancelation email that he had

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Speaker 2: sent to one would be yest in which he says

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Speaker 2: that B and B had changed its guest policy since

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Speaker 2: Ukraine President Vladimir Zelenski and Trump's disastrous meeting in the

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Speaker 2: White House in February, and so he is active about it.

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Speaker 2: He thinks that all New Zealand accommodation businesses must start

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Speaker 2: to resist the Trump and musk Grajames. So he's not

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Speaker 2: shrinking away from it. He's courted publicity on this, and

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Speaker 2: you were discussing it. I think it's an interesting thing

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Speaker 2: to discuss, not just his particular point of view and

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Speaker 2: what he's doing with his business, but also as across

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Speaker 2: the entire country. Are we spending too much of our

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Speaker 2: time and and and getting too stressed about a country

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Speaker 2: that isn't even our own country? And have we not

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Speaker 2: got enough things to sort out here? And is it

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Speaker 2: good for your mental health to be that owned by

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Speaker 2: the social media algorithms, you know, the big American social

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Speaker 2: media companies that are playing you for engagement, because what

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Speaker 2: I'm reading here from him seems to be a lot

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Speaker 2: of the talking points that have blasted out on social media.

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Speaker 3: Yep, one hundred percent, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call Greg. How are you okay?

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Speaker 11: Boys?

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Speaker 2: How are you very good?

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts?

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Speaker 12: I personally think the guys an idiot. So it was me,

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Speaker 12: what's today sinking of April Greek? Yep, yep, Tiff when

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Speaker 12: all those Americans come to start my place?

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna what do you have a place.

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Speaker 12: I'm just saying today because today's the day they go on. Sorry, guys,

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Speaker 12: is a twenty five turf. You're welcome to come far, far,

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Speaker 12: far better protest the canceling their.

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Speaker 6: Decision.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 2: So do you think that you don't think there's a

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Speaker 2: problematic to everyone from one country with the same brush,

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Speaker 2: because not everyone voted for the you know, the people

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Speaker 2: that voted for Trump wanted the tariffs because he was

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Speaker 2: quite clear that he was going to do that, and

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Speaker 2: that was you know, he won the popular vote. So

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Speaker 2: but but had to win the popular vote in America,

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Speaker 2: there's still tens and tens of millions of people that

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Speaker 2: voted against him. So would you still tariff for them?

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Speaker 12: Greg, I'm just making the point that I think he's

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Speaker 12: approached what he's doing the wrong way. I would have

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Speaker 12: done it differently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a better business strategy. Yeah, no

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Speaker 3: doubt about that.

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Speaker 12: I don't want to get into the politics of American

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Speaker 12: I'm going I'm going the Neque speaking. I don't want

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Speaker 12: to be stopped.

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Speaker 2: Whereabout you going? Greg?

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Speaker 12: Are we going to Phoenix?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Phoenix?

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Speaker 3: Nice?

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Speaker 2: Wow? What's aa to Arizona?

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Speaker 14: Our son lives here.

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Speaker 12: He's getting married to an American lady.

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Speaker 3: Oh, fantastically, And what does your son do in Arizona?

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Speaker 12: Uh, we didn't do anything for quite a while because

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Speaker 12: when you go there, you get a visa change and

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Speaker 12: it takes a long top to a year to get

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Speaker 12: to work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and at that.

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Speaker 12: Time, he wasn't allowed to work, and he wasn't allowed

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Speaker 12: to leave, and he's still not allowed to leave until

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Speaker 12: he gets his green card, which is they're still working on.

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Speaker 12: He's now got a job working for a crowd making

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Speaker 12: cars for cars, So I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: That will go.

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Speaker 2: Now, Greg, are you're going to walk around that that

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Speaker 2: wedding and ask everyone which way they voted.

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Speaker 12: They're not allowed to get married yet either. Unfortunately, he's

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Speaker 12: going to get married in American companies. And that's not

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Speaker 12: why we're going this film. We just haven't seen him

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Speaker 12: for eighteen months. So someone can leave the opus of

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Speaker 12: the son.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to take do you care? Do you care

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Speaker 2: which way his partner is voting? Head voted.

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Speaker 12: I know which they vote, but I'm not going to say.

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Speaker 12: I think my son is what you call it red neck,

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Speaker 12: And well he's to get some way, I see to

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Speaker 12: organize a few things for us to do because he

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Speaker 12: has a three day weekend. It's a much to my

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Speaker 12: wife's the line. He's going to take us to the

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Speaker 12: gun range.

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Speaker 3: That will be fun.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna and we're going to head up

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Speaker 12: to the Brian Kenyon from there and just have a

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Speaker 12: bit of a holiday and hang out with him as partner,

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Speaker 12: who's it's been in New Film quite a few times,

655
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Speaker 12: and to meet the family, so it'll be quite good.

656
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Speaker 2: Well, all the best to you and your family. Greg.

657
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Speaker 3: Yeah, have you been to Arizona? I have actually been

658
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Speaker 3: to arizonall place i'd to go.

659
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just just crossing over because you know, I haven't

660
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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: It looks beautiful. Yeah, Greg, thank you very much. One

662
00:32:06,613 --> 00:32:09,853
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is them to call. Are

663
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Speaker 3: we getting a bit obsessed about American politics? Is that

664
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Speaker 3: good for us to be so deep into what is

665
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Speaker 3: going on in the US if it doesn't affect us

666
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Speaker 3: that much on the day to day. Love to hear

667
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Speaker 3: your thoughts. So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

668
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Speaker 3: the number to call. It is seventeen to two beat.

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on took Back, Matt and Taylor Afternoons

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Speaker 1: have your say on eight hundred eighty eight US Talks B.

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Speaker 2: It is fourteen to two. I remembered what I was

672
00:32:35,573 --> 00:32:38,893
Speaker 2: trying to say before. It was the Hoover Dam. Hoover Dam.

673
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Speaker 2: You asked me if I'd ever been to Arizona. Yeah,

674
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Speaker 2: and I have, but only on one side of the

675
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Speaker 2: Hoover Dam, because the Hoover Dam goes between Nevada and

676
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Speaker 2: Arizona across the Colorado River, so one end of Nevada.

677
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Speaker 2: I you know, I was in Las Vegas for a while,

678
00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:53,733
Speaker 2: went over to one end. One end. They've got a

679
00:32:53,773 --> 00:32:56,893
Speaker 2: different colored cop outfits. You've got the brown ones on

680
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Speaker 2: the on the Arizona's side. But Hoover Dam's.

681
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Speaker 4: Very very cool.

682
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Speaker 3: Which cops look cooler?

683
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Speaker 2: I'm going to say the Nevada cops look cooler, right, Yeah,

684
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Speaker 2: I don't like a cop onen a brown uniform. Fair enough,

685
00:33:10,213 --> 00:33:10,733
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

686
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Speaker 3: Argy they got beije got like visit the cops in.

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Speaker 2: The Vata side had they had sort of Yeah, they

688
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Speaker 2: know they sort of saw this gray sort of at

689
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Speaker 2: that point a few years ago. Yeah, yeah, I think

690
00:33:21,173 --> 00:33:23,253
Speaker 2: the Nevada cops have called the uniforms go there, I

691
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Speaker 2: said it.

692
00:33:23,693 --> 00:33:26,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. It's about time you said it as well.

693
00:33:26,853 --> 00:33:28,053
Speaker 3: There's some great teach coming through.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, I've been listening to your discussion and I'm

695
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Speaker 2: enjoying it. I wanted to share my personal story as

696
00:33:33,093 --> 00:33:36,333
Speaker 2: it really resonates. I recently lost a lifelong friend over

697
00:33:36,373 --> 00:33:38,533
Speaker 2: thirty years, someone I met while working as any in

698
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Speaker 2: the USA. Over the decades, we've stayed close, meeting up

699
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Speaker 2: regularly and sharing countless weekends together, especially when I traveled

700
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Speaker 2: to the US for business. She's always been open about

701
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Speaker 2: her political views, a proud Democrat, and I've always respected

702
00:33:49,253 --> 00:33:52,733
Speaker 2: that even when staying in her home. However, things shifted dramatically.

703
00:33:52,893 --> 00:33:55,053
Speaker 2: I was actually in the US during the twenty sixteen

704
00:33:55,093 --> 00:33:57,333
Speaker 2: election when Trump won, and over time I began to

705
00:33:57,373 --> 00:33:59,933
Speaker 2: see a change in her, particularly on social media, where

706
00:33:59,973 --> 00:34:03,413
Speaker 2: her posts became increasingly intense and angry. One day, I

707
00:34:03,493 --> 00:34:06,293
Speaker 2: reached out privately, gently suggesting that maybe it's okay to

708
00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:08,853
Speaker 2: step back from the political storm and focus on enjoying

709
00:34:08,853 --> 00:34:12,133
Speaker 2: life a little bit more. Sadly, she responded by blocking

710
00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:15,813
Speaker 2: and unfriending me. Thirty years of friendship gone really saddens

711
00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:18,333
Speaker 2: me to see how politics can divide people so deeply.

712
00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:21,013
Speaker 2: Even more recently, during an uber ride in the US,

713
00:34:21,053 --> 00:34:23,133
Speaker 2: I was asked whether I support Trump or I was

714
00:34:23,173 --> 00:34:25,493
Speaker 2: a Republican. I responded that I was from New Zealand

715
00:34:25,533 --> 00:34:27,933
Speaker 2: and didn't get involved in US politics. The driver went

716
00:34:27,933 --> 00:34:31,093
Speaker 2: on to say he'd use weapons against Trump. That moment

717
00:34:31,133 --> 00:34:33,933
Speaker 2: really shook me. I'd love the chance to visit the

718
00:34:34,093 --> 00:34:37,933
Speaker 2: man's airbb here in New Zealand and try to understand

719
00:34:37,973 --> 00:34:40,933
Speaker 2: where all this hatred is coming from, how someone could

720
00:34:40,973 --> 00:34:43,933
Speaker 2: feel that way about someone with different beliefs. For the record,

721
00:34:43,933 --> 00:34:46,813
Speaker 2: I support Trump, Elon and anyone who stands for personal freedom.

722
00:34:46,973 --> 00:34:49,173
Speaker 2: I don't believe we should attack or hate others just

723
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Speaker 2: because we disagree. That to me, is the real problem.

724
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Speaker 2: Thanks for the conversation, Lisa.

725
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Speaker 3: Great text.

726
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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, very sad, well written. John, Welcome to the show.

727
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Speaker 2: You are a dual New Zealand and US citizen, so

728
00:35:02,173 --> 00:35:04,973
Speaker 2: you know you've you've got skin in both games.

729
00:35:05,613 --> 00:35:07,893
Speaker 9: I live in the two best countries on the planet.

730
00:35:08,853 --> 00:35:10,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it would.

731
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Speaker 9: Be interesting if I went to this gentleman's Airbnb, whether

732
00:35:14,533 --> 00:35:15,813
Speaker 9: he'd let me in as a key with you or

733
00:35:15,813 --> 00:35:19,053
Speaker 9: as an American. So I feel sad for him. I

734
00:35:19,053 --> 00:35:20,853
Speaker 9: think you guys are on the money with regard to

735
00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:26,213
Speaker 9: mental health. The ability to have a conversation has disappeared

736
00:35:26,213 --> 00:35:30,533
Speaker 9: as extremely tribal, extremely tribal. Now it's very very sad,

737
00:35:30,733 --> 00:35:35,212
Speaker 9: and it's more about what divides us than what unites us.

738
00:35:35,493 --> 00:35:38,813
Speaker 9: And you can't have that conversation about hey, let's agree

739
00:35:38,853 --> 00:35:41,613
Speaker 9: to disagree on what divides us, but what brings us together.

740
00:35:42,213 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 9: And I have to say, being a conservative and a

741
00:35:45,013 --> 00:35:48,173
Speaker 9: person who voted for Donald Trump, you can't have a conversation.

742
00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:52,253
Speaker 9: They're not interested. They want to bring your tesla's, they

743
00:35:52,293 --> 00:35:54,253
Speaker 9: want to take you down, they want to defriend you.

744
00:35:55,253 --> 00:35:59,533
Speaker 9: Lisa's text is exactly what I've experienced. And it's so sad,

745
00:36:00,213 --> 00:36:03,853
Speaker 9: very very sad. And this guy God blessened, But you

746
00:36:03,893 --> 00:36:05,933
Speaker 9: know he's opened up a can of worms for himself

747
00:36:05,973 --> 00:36:09,173
Speaker 9: because the discrimination, Like does he stop his least from coming?

748
00:36:09,373 --> 00:36:11,773
Speaker 9: Does he stop Russians from coming? I mean, where does

749
00:36:11,813 --> 00:36:15,253
Speaker 9: he stop? He just singles out Republicans. It's crazy.

750
00:36:15,533 --> 00:36:18,973
Speaker 2: I think what he wants to do is he's seeing

751
00:36:19,013 --> 00:36:21,013
Speaker 2: this is he thinks, as he said, all New Zealand

752
00:36:21,013 --> 00:36:24,613
Speaker 2: accommodation business must start to resist Trump and Musk gragime.

753
00:36:24,693 --> 00:36:27,413
Speaker 2: So it's a political thing for him, As he says,

754
00:36:27,453 --> 00:36:30,652
Speaker 2: Trump is a disgusting human being, which reflects on all Americans.

755
00:36:30,693 --> 00:36:34,053
Speaker 2: Now I blame not Musk and Trump for it.

756
00:36:35,013 --> 00:36:39,053
Speaker 9: What he doesn't understand is that America voted for Donald Trump,

757
00:36:39,133 --> 00:36:42,973
Speaker 9: against all the impeachments, against all the law fear, against

758
00:36:42,973 --> 00:36:46,172
Speaker 9: the assassination attempts. And not only did America vote for him,

759
00:36:46,373 --> 00:36:49,333
Speaker 9: and I'm one of those votes, but the gen zs

760
00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:52,733
Speaker 9: and the Millennials in their droves left the Democrat Party

761
00:36:53,173 --> 00:36:57,693
Speaker 9: and voted for Conservatives. The black men, their vote increased

762
00:36:57,813 --> 00:37:01,293
Speaker 9: exponentially date voted for Donald Trump. Hispanics in their droves

763
00:37:02,493 --> 00:37:06,093
Speaker 9: voted for Donald Trump. So his argument is flawed. The

764
00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:08,533
Speaker 9: freedom to choose who you vote for in America has

765
00:37:08,573 --> 00:37:11,813
Speaker 9: been decided in twenty twenty four and he can't accept that.

766
00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:15,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, if he believes that the logic

767
00:37:15,773 --> 00:37:20,373
Speaker 2: of his arguments against Trump and against Republicans a sound,

768
00:37:21,293 --> 00:37:25,773
Speaker 2: wouldn't he want to debate that with Republicans, you know,

769
00:37:25,933 --> 00:37:30,413
Speaker 2: meet them and share it with him them the logic

770
00:37:30,453 --> 00:37:34,053
Speaker 2: that will change their mind. WoT wouldn't that be? You know,

771
00:37:34,093 --> 00:37:36,773
Speaker 2: because then maybe if you're so right and you've got

772
00:37:36,773 --> 00:37:39,493
Speaker 2: these strong arguments that are so right, couldn't you then

773
00:37:39,613 --> 00:37:41,613
Speaker 2: just change one at a time that comes into your

774
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:43,253
Speaker 2: earbnb if that's what you want to.

775
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Speaker 3: Do, Definitely, and that it's the saddest part about it,

776
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:49,173
Speaker 3: isn't it. It's that we've lost that ability to debate

777
00:37:49,413 --> 00:37:51,853
Speaker 3: fairly and reasonably. And just because someone disagrees with you

778
00:37:51,893 --> 00:37:54,732
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they hate you or your you know,

779
00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:57,893
Speaker 3: demonized for your beliefs. It's just it is a sad

780
00:37:57,893 --> 00:37:58,333
Speaker 3: place to be.

781
00:37:58,653 --> 00:38:02,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, as Christopher Hitchsons once says, when you silence people,

782
00:38:03,173 --> 00:38:06,573
Speaker 2: you lose your ability to hear them. And so if

783
00:38:06,613 --> 00:38:08,573
Speaker 2: you never talk to people from the other side, then

784
00:38:08,613 --> 00:38:11,973
Speaker 2: you'll you are, you know, a not having the ability

785
00:38:11,973 --> 00:38:15,053
Speaker 2: to sharpen your own arguments, but B you're not and

786
00:38:15,733 --> 00:38:18,813
Speaker 2: you know, even engaging the possibility that you might be

787
00:38:18,853 --> 00:38:21,093
Speaker 2: wrong about some or all of what you're saying.

788
00:38:21,173 --> 00:38:23,293
Speaker 3: Exactly. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

789
00:38:23,373 --> 00:38:25,053
Speaker 3: number to call. It is eight to.

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Speaker 1: Two Matties Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt and Tyler Afternoons News Talks, B.

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Speaker 3: News Talks. There be it is six to two, Helen,

793
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Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 11: Hi?

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Speaker 15: I haven't spoken to you guys before, but I just

796
00:38:43,653 --> 00:38:46,093
Speaker 15: wanted to say quickly because I know I'm pushed for time.

797
00:38:46,573 --> 00:38:49,453
Speaker 15: But I just think, what a stupid will we live in?

798
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Speaker 15: Because with people like that guy, he's got a right

799
00:38:53,813 --> 00:38:56,893
Speaker 15: to choose whatever you want to choose. But I liked

800
00:38:57,013 --> 00:39:01,813
Speaker 15: the previous text message before the last call before me

801
00:39:02,533 --> 00:39:07,013
Speaker 15: both of that. Those some are the right to freedom

802
00:39:07,173 --> 00:39:11,772
Speaker 15: and choice. And you know there's too much tribalism going

803
00:39:11,813 --> 00:39:18,573
Speaker 15: on and too much stupidness and too much division. Yeahviding

804
00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:22,413
Speaker 15: dividing people from each other, whatever race you are, whatever

805
00:39:22,773 --> 00:39:25,893
Speaker 15: beliefs you have, dividing each other just because you might

806
00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:30,973
Speaker 15: vote as a Republican even if you're not an American.

807
00:39:31,693 --> 00:39:35,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, think if you call. Helen Ian says politics is

808
00:39:35,933 --> 00:39:39,573
Speaker 2: a war over digital platforms. A strategist, behavioral scientist, it

809
00:39:39,613 --> 00:39:43,413
Speaker 2: is telling when individuals regurgitate media or propaganda rhetoric, yet

810
00:39:43,493 --> 00:39:46,453
Speaker 2: when questioned on their understanding of right or left motivations,

811
00:39:46,453 --> 00:39:49,533
Speaker 2: have little or no understanding of the action being taken.

812
00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:54,133
Speaker 2: As a centrist, critical thinker, main character virtue signaling over

813
00:39:54,213 --> 00:39:58,893
Speaker 2: Airbnb or any other platform is laughable. That's from Ian

814
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:01,213
Speaker 2: and a text with so many texts coming through that

815
00:40:01,253 --> 00:40:04,413
Speaker 2: this one's despaired. But someone's saying you are taking only

816
00:40:04,493 --> 00:40:08,333
Speaker 2: examples of the most extremist anti trumpers on the show,

817
00:40:08,773 --> 00:40:11,373
Speaker 2: and I don't think we are. We're just talking about

818
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Speaker 2: one particular guy who's definitely extremely anti Trump to the

819
00:40:14,933 --> 00:40:18,413
Speaker 2: point where he is making people prove the Democrats before

820
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Speaker 2: he'll let them stay in his airbnb.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think after that hour some good advice

822
00:40:25,293 --> 00:40:27,692
Speaker 3: is maybe just take a bit of a step back

823
00:40:27,693 --> 00:40:29,933
Speaker 3: from the American politics. Have you getting a bit deep

824
00:40:29,933 --> 00:40:32,253
Speaker 3: into it? Good for your mental health, Just get outside

825
00:40:32,253 --> 00:40:33,133
Speaker 3: and smell some grass.

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Speaker 2: But I will say the Bluff Hill Lighthouse BnB looks good, beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that is very very cool.

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Speaker 2: So people that aren't allowed to go are missing out.

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Speaker 3: Right coming up after two o'clock, kiwis are not in

830
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Speaker 3: in enough and feeling unfulfilled in their job. This is

831
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Speaker 3: according to a survey by seekh. So we want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat about that being unfulfilled or career regret

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Speaker 3: as they've called it, But we want to have a

834
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Speaker 3: chat about finding the perfect job doesn't exist, And have

835
00:41:01,413 --> 00:41:02,853
Speaker 3: we got our philosophy a little bit wrong?

836
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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you really that special?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Wait hundred I am oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: the number to call. We will see you after Newsport

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Speaker 3: and Weather, which is.

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Speaker 1: Next talking with you all afternoon It's Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons us Talks.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we can see the phone lines have lit up.

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905
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Speaker 3: because right now now, we want to have a chat

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Speaker 3: about a survey that seekh has just completed. Kiwis are

907
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Speaker 3: not earning enough apparently and feeling unfulfilled in their job,

908
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Speaker 3: which is leading to a lot of us regretting our

909
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Speaker 3: career choices. So seek released its new Longer Working Life Report,

910
00:44:25,293 --> 00:44:27,293
Speaker 3: and it found more than half fifty four percent of

911
00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:30,253
Speaker 3: kiwis regret their career choice, with the top reasons including

912
00:44:30,293 --> 00:44:33,013
Speaker 3: not earning enough at fifty percent, changing interest at thirty

913
00:44:33,053 --> 00:44:35,933
Speaker 3: six percent, and unfulfilling work at twenty four percent.

914
00:44:36,973 --> 00:44:38,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've got a theory in this, and I

915
00:44:39,013 --> 00:44:40,373
Speaker 2: might be wrong. I'd love to hear from you on

916
00:44:40,613 --> 00:44:42,573
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But I think that

917
00:44:42,773 --> 00:44:45,293
Speaker 2: as a nation, and I think a lot of people

918
00:44:45,293 --> 00:44:48,933
Speaker 2: that I talk to have got chronic dissatisfaction syndrome. I

919
00:44:48,933 --> 00:44:51,653
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a real syndrome, but wherever they are,

920
00:44:51,893 --> 00:44:54,573
Speaker 2: they are unsatisfied. Because wherever you go, there you are,

921
00:44:54,613 --> 00:44:57,133
Speaker 2: as the saying goes. So people are in their jobs,

922
00:44:57,333 --> 00:44:59,853
Speaker 2: they're unsatisfied, They'll go to another job and they'll be

923
00:45:00,013 --> 00:45:02,853
Speaker 2: unsatisfied there. I mean, do we expect too much from

924
00:45:02,853 --> 00:45:06,253
Speaker 2: our employment? Is that how we divine define our whole life.

925
00:45:06,493 --> 00:45:08,333
Speaker 2: Have we all been sold the lie that we are

926
00:45:08,893 --> 00:45:12,493
Speaker 2: that we need to find that perfect, perfect vocation that's

927
00:45:12,533 --> 00:45:16,013
Speaker 2: exactly in line with our soul? You know, because I

928
00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:18,533
Speaker 2: would argue, if you can pay for a roof over

929
00:45:18,533 --> 00:45:21,772
Speaker 2: your head and feed your kids, or help some people out,

930
00:45:21,773 --> 00:45:25,533
Speaker 2: feed your partner, or feed yourself, then isn't that the dream.

931
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:29,133
Speaker 2: Aren't you a hero if you managed to just support

932
00:45:29,173 --> 00:45:32,693
Speaker 2: your family and then maybe help out in the community

933
00:45:32,693 --> 00:45:34,853
Speaker 2: a little bit and just be a great person to

934
00:45:34,893 --> 00:45:37,973
Speaker 2: the people around you. Do we? I mean, look, I

935
00:45:38,053 --> 00:45:42,653
Speaker 2: tell you what I think. My ideas on this came

936
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Speaker 2: from the Chuck Pollyanac novel Fight Club, that was then

937
00:45:46,813 --> 00:45:50,453
Speaker 2: made into a movie starring Edward Norton and Brad pat

938
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Speaker 2: So just listen to this audio.

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Speaker 16: God damn in an entire generation, pomping gas, wedding TVs,

940
00:45:57,613 --> 00:46:02,413
Speaker 16: slaves with white Carlos advertising has his teasing cars and clothes,

941
00:46:03,053 --> 00:46:05,333
Speaker 16: working charts we hate so we can buy shit. We

942
00:46:05,413 --> 00:46:10,293
Speaker 16: don't need the middle children of history man, no purpose

943
00:46:10,373 --> 00:46:15,293
Speaker 16: or please, we have no great award, no great depression.

944
00:46:16,533 --> 00:46:20,413
Speaker 4: Our great award is a spiritual ward. How great depression?

945
00:46:21,293 --> 00:46:22,253
Speaker 2: It's our lives.

946
00:46:22,933 --> 00:46:25,253
Speaker 16: We've been raised on television to believe that one day

947
00:46:25,293 --> 00:46:28,373
Speaker 16: we'd all be millionaires in movie gods and rock stars.

948
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Speaker 4: But we won't.

949
00:46:30,253 --> 00:46:35,013
Speaker 2: We're slowly learn about of fact. We're very very pissed off.

950
00:46:36,613 --> 00:46:37,653
Speaker 3: It's a great line.

951
00:46:38,253 --> 00:46:40,853
Speaker 2: We all been raised to believe that we are going

952
00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:43,573
Speaker 2: to do something special, that we're going to be famous,

953
00:46:43,613 --> 00:46:48,093
Speaker 2: that we are going to make a huge difference. And

954
00:46:48,173 --> 00:46:50,813
Speaker 2: is that why people are are satisfied with? So many

955
00:46:50,853 --> 00:46:55,053
Speaker 2: people in New Zealand are dissatisfied because we have unrealistic expectations.

956
00:46:55,373 --> 00:46:58,333
Speaker 2: If you were living through the Great Depression, for example,

957
00:46:58,573 --> 00:47:00,613
Speaker 2: then you would be very happy to have any job

958
00:47:00,653 --> 00:47:03,373
Speaker 2: at all and you would be really really stoked to

959
00:47:03,413 --> 00:47:05,293
Speaker 2: be there because it was giving you an ability to

960
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:07,493
Speaker 2: support your family to eat.

961
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Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, yeah, but that's very easy for you to say,

962
00:47:10,933 --> 00:47:14,253
Speaker 3: Matt because hearing that we monologue from Brad Pitt. Great line.

963
00:47:14,533 --> 00:47:17,692
Speaker 3: But you've somewhat been a rock star. At least you

964
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Speaker 3: are in a band and you too it up and

965
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Speaker 3: down the country and you played that part.

966
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Speaker 2: Couple of top twenty hits.

967
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Speaker 3: You you know, you've been a broadcaster and you've got

968
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Speaker 3: a certain amount of fame in your life. You are

969
00:47:26,333 --> 00:47:29,853
Speaker 3: in a privileged position to say, hey, just enjoy your

970
00:47:29,973 --> 00:47:32,133
Speaker 3: job for what it is, as long as you're earning

971
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Speaker 3: money and feeding your family. Too good.

972
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Speaker 2: I have started to feature film. You can see it

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Speaker 2: Amazon right now. It's called The Devil Dimeton.

974
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Speaker 3: You've been a film star.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was a star the right word. I

976
00:47:41,573 --> 00:47:43,253
Speaker 2: wasn't a movie that didn't do that well. But anyway,

977
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Speaker 2: that's by the bike. No, I get that, but I

978
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Speaker 2: would say that none of that stuff brings you the

979
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:51,293
Speaker 2: satisfaction that you think it would. I mean, we can

980
00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:55,893
Speaker 2: see now Bibe's Bieber is going through absolute misery. He's

981
00:47:55,893 --> 00:47:57,772
Speaker 2: got all the wealth and all the fame and all

982
00:47:57,813 --> 00:48:00,172
Speaker 2: the being special that you could possibly want, and he's

983
00:48:00,333 --> 00:48:05,813
Speaker 2: miss absolutely miserable. And many how many biographies of rock

984
00:48:05,853 --> 00:48:09,413
Speaker 2: stars and movie stars do you read where they are

985
00:48:09,893 --> 00:48:11,813
Speaker 2: a huge hole in their heart and they try to

986
00:48:11,813 --> 00:48:15,333
Speaker 2: fill it with drugs and fame and cheap sex. But

987
00:48:15,413 --> 00:48:19,493
Speaker 2: the bit in the book where they finally find happiness

988
00:48:19,773 --> 00:48:22,533
Speaker 2: or some level of contentedness is when they have the

989
00:48:22,653 --> 00:48:26,173
Speaker 2: normal life, the life where they drive their kids to

990
00:48:26,213 --> 00:48:28,252
Speaker 2: school and they have a family. I mean, the thing

991
00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:30,453
Speaker 2: that made David Bowie the most happy in his life

992
00:48:30,453 --> 00:48:32,453
Speaker 2: was driving his kid to school in a station wagon

993
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:34,773
Speaker 2: and dropping them off. He said near the end of

994
00:48:34,813 --> 00:48:37,493
Speaker 2: his life that was the bit. Just being normal is

995
00:48:38,013 --> 00:48:41,013
Speaker 2: what made him happy. So we keep being told that

996
00:48:41,053 --> 00:48:45,773
Speaker 2: what will make us happy is fame and you know,

997
00:48:46,773 --> 00:48:48,693
Speaker 2: all and wealth and all this kind of stuff. But

998
00:48:48,733 --> 00:48:50,853
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to play it out that way. It

999
00:48:50,853 --> 00:48:51,133
Speaker 2: does it.

1000
00:48:51,173 --> 00:48:54,613
Speaker 3: Celebrities are very by and large, per capita, celebrities are

1001
00:48:54,693 --> 00:48:57,013
Speaker 3: very miserable people. And again to your point, it was

1002
00:48:57,093 --> 00:48:59,172
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey, I think you said I wish everybody could

1003
00:48:59,173 --> 00:49:02,853
Speaker 3: be rich, famous, and a superstar. To realize it's not

1004
00:49:02,893 --> 00:49:05,493
Speaker 3: the answer, because clearly it's not for those people. They

1005
00:49:05,613 --> 00:49:08,133
Speaker 3: achieve all of those things in a stall just as miserable,

1006
00:49:08,453 --> 00:49:09,213
Speaker 3: not more miserable.

1007
00:49:09,493 --> 00:49:13,013
Speaker 2: So when you sort of boil all that stuff we've

1008
00:49:13,053 --> 00:49:16,333
Speaker 2: been saying down, is the reason why more than half

1009
00:49:16,333 --> 00:49:18,933
Speaker 2: of kiwis regret their career choice, according to the survey,

1010
00:49:19,053 --> 00:49:22,933
Speaker 2: is because we have been sold this idea of what

1011
00:49:23,013 --> 00:49:25,773
Speaker 2: we should achieve and where we should be that just

1012
00:49:25,933 --> 00:49:28,653
Speaker 2: isn't attainable for most people and wouldn't make them happier

1013
00:49:28,933 --> 00:49:31,212
Speaker 2: even if they even if they got it. So we're

1014
00:49:31,333 --> 00:49:34,733
Speaker 2: chasing something that we can never get when the normal

1015
00:49:35,413 --> 00:49:39,453
Speaker 2: stable life and a job where you paid a decent

1016
00:49:39,493 --> 00:49:42,453
Speaker 2: wage if you can get it is and provide for

1017
00:49:42,813 --> 00:49:44,733
Speaker 2: the people you need to provide for and do a

1018
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:47,053
Speaker 2: little bit o a little bit of other stuff in

1019
00:49:47,053 --> 00:49:50,093
Speaker 2: the community. Isn't that really the goal? And aren't those

1020
00:49:50,093 --> 00:49:52,333
Speaker 2: people that do that the real heroes? And shouldn't they

1021
00:49:52,373 --> 00:49:55,133
Speaker 2: celebrate themselves from being where they are and what they've done,

1022
00:49:55,253 --> 00:49:58,053
Speaker 2: even if it wasn't the dream that they had when

1023
00:49:58,053 --> 00:49:58,773
Speaker 2: they were teenagers?

1024
00:49:58,893 --> 00:50:00,693
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that I'm going

1025
00:50:00,733 --> 00:50:02,093
Speaker 3: to call if you were in a job that you

1026
00:50:02,133 --> 00:50:05,212
Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily says your dream job, love to hear from you.

1027
00:50:05,453 --> 00:50:08,093
Speaker 3: And for those that don't attach their self worth to

1028
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:10,453
Speaker 3: them job, I think that's a big part of it.

1029
00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:13,453
Speaker 3: That if you don't make your job your whole life

1030
00:50:13,853 --> 00:50:16,373
Speaker 3: and that is an avenue for you to put food

1031
00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:17,693
Speaker 3: on the table. And as you say, then you go

1032
00:50:17,733 --> 00:50:20,093
Speaker 3: out out in society and you spend time with your

1033
00:50:20,093 --> 00:50:22,093
Speaker 3: family and friends and do nice things out there.

1034
00:50:22,253 --> 00:50:24,652
Speaker 2: That is a good life. This person is texted Heath

1035
00:50:25,133 --> 00:50:29,613
Speaker 2: aspiring to mediocrity. You are a loser. Thanks, Thanks, don't

1036
00:50:29,653 --> 00:50:33,013
Speaker 2: you know I'm saying, be exceptional in your life. Wherever

1037
00:50:33,053 --> 00:50:36,253
Speaker 2: you're working, be exceptional. But don't think that going somewhere

1038
00:50:36,293 --> 00:50:39,093
Speaker 2: else is going to make you happy, because wherever you go,

1039
00:50:39,173 --> 00:50:41,613
Speaker 2: there you are, as the saying goes. But anyway, and

1040
00:50:41,653 --> 00:50:43,652
Speaker 2: this person says, I want a full apology for that

1041
00:50:43,733 --> 00:50:46,453
Speaker 2: movie The Devil did me too. Cheers, Yeah, I apologize, Yeah,

1042
00:50:46,453 --> 00:50:47,373
Speaker 2: thank you. I appreciate it right.

1043
00:50:47,413 --> 00:50:48,973
Speaker 3: Good to get that out. Oh one hundred and eighty

1044
00:50:49,013 --> 00:50:50,893
Speaker 3: ten eighty is a number to call. It is sixteen

1045
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Speaker 3: PUS two.

1046
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Speaker 1: Wow, your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor afternoons.

1047
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Speaker 1: Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk.

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Speaker 17: Zaid, be.

1049
00:51:02,453 --> 00:51:05,933
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is nineteen past two, and we're talking

1050
00:51:05,973 --> 00:51:08,813
Speaker 3: about the survey which found fifty four percent of kei

1051
00:51:08,853 --> 00:51:11,333
Speaker 3: We's regretted their career choice.

1052
00:51:12,253 --> 00:51:15,893
Speaker 2: Is it as this text that Tony says, comparison and

1053
00:51:15,933 --> 00:51:19,053
Speaker 2: happiness won't be found in the same street. That's from Tony,

1054
00:51:19,053 --> 00:51:21,013
Speaker 2: which is the same thing as I end up saying

1055
00:51:21,013 --> 00:51:23,933
Speaker 2: on the show nearly every day for some reason, maybe

1056
00:51:23,933 --> 00:51:27,533
Speaker 2: because I'm a bit basic, but you know, comparison is

1057
00:51:27,533 --> 00:51:29,732
Speaker 2: the thief of joy. So if you're sitting in your job,

1058
00:51:29,773 --> 00:51:32,413
Speaker 2: always comparing yourself to something else rather than actually just

1059
00:51:32,493 --> 00:51:34,893
Speaker 2: knuckling down, being grateful and kicking ass where you are.

1060
00:51:35,533 --> 00:51:38,173
Speaker 2: Then maybe you will always be dissatisfied if you're always

1061
00:51:38,173 --> 00:51:41,093
Speaker 2: looking for something else, somewhere else to find your happiness

1062
00:51:41,493 --> 00:51:45,133
Speaker 2: rather than finding it where you are and achieving and

1063
00:51:44,853 --> 00:51:48,373
Speaker 2: being you know, happeople for what. Yeah, it's tough.

1064
00:51:48,533 --> 00:51:50,093
Speaker 3: A lot to be said for gratitude. I know that

1065
00:51:50,173 --> 00:51:51,213
Speaker 3: sounds neft to some people.

1066
00:51:51,213 --> 00:51:54,533
Speaker 2: But if it's a tough concept to explain because there

1067
00:51:54,573 --> 00:51:57,613
Speaker 2: are holes in it, Ruben, welcome to the show. Your thoughts.

1068
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Speaker 18: Oh, Matt, I was just I don't know if I've

1069
00:52:02,573 --> 00:52:07,293
Speaker 18: got this right, but I think maybe from my perspective,

1070
00:52:07,773 --> 00:52:10,693
Speaker 18: I've got a business now that i'd started when I

1071
00:52:10,693 --> 00:52:13,933
Speaker 18: was twenty seven, but prior to that, I'm a joiner,

1072
00:52:14,053 --> 00:52:18,133
Speaker 18: So I worked at about eight different joinery companies. In

1073
00:52:18,173 --> 00:52:21,173
Speaker 18: the realm of joinery, you got cabinet making, timber, joinery, stairs,

1074
00:52:21,213 --> 00:52:23,893
Speaker 18: all that, and it's kind of went from different places

1075
00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:29,093
Speaker 18: and learn different things to then start a business. And

1076
00:52:29,293 --> 00:52:31,133
Speaker 18: I kind of think that it's a good way to

1077
00:52:31,573 --> 00:52:34,813
Speaker 18: go is to work at different places and pick up

1078
00:52:34,853 --> 00:52:38,733
Speaker 18: different things and I'd sort of encourage most people to

1079
00:52:38,973 --> 00:52:41,853
Speaker 18: maybe do that. I don't know if that's what you're

1080
00:52:41,893 --> 00:52:44,573
Speaker 18: talking about, being stuck in the same career, but that

1081
00:52:44,733 --> 00:52:46,133
Speaker 18: was sort of my experience of that.

1082
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Speaker 2: Is that being dissatisfied where you are or being on

1083
00:52:49,373 --> 00:52:52,533
Speaker 2: a path to self improvement, which are kind of different things,

1084
00:52:53,373 --> 00:52:54,333
Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying.

1085
00:52:55,973 --> 00:52:58,733
Speaker 18: I think some of it was. I mean, I started

1086
00:52:58,773 --> 00:53:01,053
Speaker 18: in two thousand and seven or two thousand and eight,

1087
00:53:01,093 --> 00:53:05,413
Speaker 18: so it's like a global financial crisis, I think. So

1088
00:53:05,893 --> 00:53:09,093
Speaker 18: the first company I was at when under so I

1089
00:53:09,093 --> 00:53:10,813
Speaker 18: had to go somewhere else, and then from there I

1090
00:53:10,933 --> 00:53:13,133
Speaker 18: was sort of got a bit bored with how they

1091
00:53:13,173 --> 00:53:16,333
Speaker 18: did things and wanted to do something else. I thought

1092
00:53:16,373 --> 00:53:20,053
Speaker 18: I knew best at some places, I'd go somewhere else.

1093
00:53:21,373 --> 00:53:24,692
Speaker 18: But yeah, yeah, how.

1094
00:53:24,613 --> 00:53:26,613
Speaker 2: Did it feel, Ruben? How does it feel, Ruben to

1095
00:53:26,653 --> 00:53:28,893
Speaker 2: have your own business?

1096
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:29,172
Speaker 17: Now?

1097
00:53:31,173 --> 00:53:35,853
Speaker 18: Oh, it's pretty stressful, iges. We're in Wellington, so we

1098
00:53:35,933 --> 00:53:39,613
Speaker 18: kind of got hard by the government workers a little bit,

1099
00:53:40,053 --> 00:53:43,853
Speaker 18: you know, losing their jobs and stuff. But yeah, it's

1100
00:53:43,893 --> 00:53:46,213
Speaker 18: not too bad. Good throwarding bought a house, able to

1101
00:53:46,213 --> 00:53:47,173
Speaker 18: do my own renos.

1102
00:53:48,173 --> 00:53:49,853
Speaker 3: How did how did you get into joinery? Was that

1103
00:53:49,973 --> 00:53:51,933
Speaker 3: something that you you always wanted to do.

1104
00:53:53,773 --> 00:53:59,253
Speaker 18: A uh, well, my uncle is a joiner by trade,

1105
00:53:59,693 --> 00:54:01,533
Speaker 18: and I kind of just got into it a little

1106
00:54:01,533 --> 00:54:03,533
Speaker 18: bit of woodworking at school and that and it kind

1107
00:54:03,533 --> 00:54:04,213
Speaker 18: of just happened.

1108
00:54:04,973 --> 00:54:08,813
Speaker 2: But you know, people wouldn't say that joinery is a

1109
00:54:08,853 --> 00:54:11,573
Speaker 2: glamorous profession if you're not you know what I mean,

1110
00:54:11,693 --> 00:54:14,533
Speaker 2: People going you know, dreamers going through school don't necessarily go,

1111
00:54:14,613 --> 00:54:17,373
Speaker 2: I want to be a joiner. And you've managed to

1112
00:54:17,453 --> 00:54:20,493
Speaker 2: be a joiner and work hard, and you've got your

1113
00:54:20,493 --> 00:54:23,453
Speaker 2: own company now, and have you got you know, got

1114
00:54:23,453 --> 00:54:25,293
Speaker 2: a partner and kids or a family.

1115
00:54:27,093 --> 00:54:30,293
Speaker 18: I got to get on the land, youly, So congrats.

1116
00:54:30,573 --> 00:54:35,533
Speaker 2: And so yeah. So I guess what I'm trying to say.

1117
00:54:35,533 --> 00:54:37,453
Speaker 2: I'm probably not describing it very well, But that is

1118
00:54:37,493 --> 00:54:39,613
Speaker 2: the journey, what you're talking about. I think that's a

1119
00:54:39,653 --> 00:54:44,933
Speaker 2: heroic journey in life. It doesn't involve fame or and

1120
00:54:44,973 --> 00:54:49,293
Speaker 2: it doesn't involve you know, being unduly you're not unduly wealthy,

1121
00:54:49,373 --> 00:54:52,653
Speaker 2: but you have bought a house and you have managed

1122
00:54:52,693 --> 00:54:54,773
Speaker 2: to you know, you're sitting yourself in a position to

1123
00:54:54,773 --> 00:54:57,853
Speaker 2: provide for your family and working hard. I think I

1124
00:54:57,853 --> 00:55:00,173
Speaker 2: guess what I'm trying to say, is that's that's the

1125
00:55:00,253 --> 00:55:05,493
Speaker 2: type of life that we should celebrate more than you know,

1126
00:55:05,613 --> 00:55:09,733
Speaker 2: the sort of you know, vacuous Instagram life or a

1127
00:55:09,773 --> 00:55:13,933
Speaker 2: perceived idea of being special. Would you agree with that, Ruben.

1128
00:55:14,013 --> 00:55:15,493
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, there's that.

1129
00:55:15,733 --> 00:55:18,693
Speaker 18: But then definitely that. And then the other sort of

1130
00:55:18,693 --> 00:55:21,373
Speaker 18: perspective I had on it was, I guess, trudging along

1131
00:55:21,413 --> 00:55:23,893
Speaker 18: at a job you just kind of do to get

1132
00:55:23,893 --> 00:55:27,252
Speaker 18: a paycheck every day. There's more out there you don't

1133
00:55:27,293 --> 00:55:27,813
Speaker 18: need to do that.

1134
00:55:28,373 --> 00:55:31,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess I guess with this survey, I

1135
00:55:31,173 --> 00:55:32,573
Speaker 2: keep saying, I guess. I don't know. That's a new

1136
00:55:32,573 --> 00:55:34,053
Speaker 2: thing I've started doing. I'm trying to work on that.

1137
00:55:34,133 --> 00:55:36,652
Speaker 2: You know, I'm always, despite what people are texting through

1138
00:55:36,653 --> 00:55:40,133
Speaker 2: a huge on self improvement. But more than half of

1139
00:55:40,173 --> 00:55:45,173
Speaker 2: people regret their career choices. So more than half can't

1140
00:55:45,213 --> 00:55:48,933
Speaker 2: be I mean when you think about so more than

1141
00:55:49,053 --> 00:55:52,853
Speaker 2: half can't be right, and that they're wrong, if you

1142
00:55:52,893 --> 00:55:55,373
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, because that is just the economy

1143
00:55:55,413 --> 00:55:58,172
Speaker 2: we are in, and that is the opportunities that are

1144
00:55:58,213 --> 00:56:02,333
Speaker 2: available to them. So higher than zero percentage of those

1145
00:56:02,373 --> 00:56:06,373
Speaker 2: people I believe have chronic dissatisfaction syndrome and they'll be

1146
00:56:06,413 --> 00:56:09,933
Speaker 2: dissatisfied wherever they are, because I think the hero's journey

1147
00:56:09,973 --> 00:56:10,973
Speaker 2: is what you're doing, Ruben.

1148
00:56:12,253 --> 00:56:16,013
Speaker 18: Yeah, social media, it's young people that are looking and

1149
00:56:16,053 --> 00:56:18,693
Speaker 18: seeing someone's doing something better than them. They're going to

1150
00:56:18,773 --> 00:56:21,293
Speaker 18: get jealous and all that. I've got one question. I

1151
00:56:21,293 --> 00:56:24,093
Speaker 18: don't know if car up one question. Have you got

1152
00:56:24,173 --> 00:56:26,692
Speaker 18: rid of all your Brown Sabers albums yet?

1153
00:56:27,173 --> 00:56:27,413
Speaker 14: Nyls?

1154
00:56:27,773 --> 00:56:30,613
Speaker 2: No, I've got a couple of those fighting around. Yeah,

1155
00:56:31,373 --> 00:56:37,173
Speaker 2: send me address listener, Ruben cood Man to text me

1156
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:38,813
Speaker 2: and I'll and I'll send you a copy of that

1157
00:56:38,893 --> 00:56:43,933
Speaker 2: special Brown Sabbath album on brown vinyl. It's it's keeping

1158
00:56:43,973 --> 00:56:46,013
Speaker 2: over the unsold copies are keeping my bed off the

1159
00:56:46,053 --> 00:56:46,692
Speaker 2: ground at the moment.

1160
00:56:47,533 --> 00:56:49,173
Speaker 3: She had a couple in here the other day, Rubens.

1161
00:56:49,693 --> 00:56:53,652
Speaker 2: The Australian Our Australian record company sent back about ten

1162
00:56:53,733 --> 00:56:56,373
Speaker 2: boxes that didn't sell very well in Australia. So I've

1163
00:56:56,373 --> 00:56:56,772
Speaker 2: got a few.

1164
00:56:56,813 --> 00:56:57,733
Speaker 3: You're doing a favor.

1165
00:56:59,053 --> 00:57:02,053
Speaker 2: It's either you or the recycling, Ruben, So send me

1166
00:57:02,093 --> 00:57:04,213
Speaker 2: a text with your with your details.

1167
00:57:05,413 --> 00:57:06,732
Speaker 18: Vinyls are big now, Yeah?

1168
00:57:06,933 --> 00:57:09,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, okay, Well, I hope I hope that

1169
00:57:10,253 --> 00:57:12,693
Speaker 2: helps your satisfaction in life. Listening to my Punishing album

1170
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:14,973
Speaker 2: from two thousand and four. Cheers, Ruben, Cheers, Ruben.

1171
00:57:14,973 --> 00:57:17,373
Speaker 3: You didn't let them answer that one oh one hundred

1172
00:57:17,653 --> 00:57:19,893
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I'd love

1173
00:57:19,933 --> 00:57:21,613
Speaker 3: to hear from you on this one. But just your

1174
00:57:21,613 --> 00:57:23,733
Speaker 3: point about, you know, for those people, and I really

1175
00:57:23,893 --> 00:57:25,413
Speaker 3: take my head off to them that if they do

1176
00:57:25,453 --> 00:57:28,133
Speaker 3: a job that they're not particularly enamored with, but there

1177
00:57:28,293 --> 00:57:30,813
Speaker 3: is that satisfaction that they've got a job and they

1178
00:57:30,813 --> 00:57:32,773
Speaker 3: are earning enough to be able to live the life

1179
00:57:32,813 --> 00:57:35,293
Speaker 3: they want to live outside of that job, so that

1180
00:57:35,333 --> 00:57:37,573
Speaker 3: they are there at nine o'clock, say it's nine o'clock

1181
00:57:37,573 --> 00:57:39,373
Speaker 3: to five, They are there at nine, they do a

1182
00:57:39,413 --> 00:57:41,973
Speaker 3: good job, then they leave bang on five. So the

1183
00:57:42,053 --> 00:57:44,293
Speaker 3: job is there to provide an income, but it has

1184
00:57:44,373 --> 00:57:46,373
Speaker 3: not attached this self worth or who they are as

1185
00:57:46,413 --> 00:57:46,773
Speaker 3: a person.

1186
00:57:46,893 --> 00:57:47,053
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1187
00:57:47,053 --> 00:57:48,213
Speaker 3: I take my head off to those people.

1188
00:57:48,573 --> 00:57:52,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's absolutely reasons why you should be dissatisfified

1189
00:57:52,573 --> 00:57:54,933
Speaker 2: with your job. And there are jobs that are dissatisfying,

1190
00:57:54,973 --> 00:57:56,933
Speaker 2: and if you are, I'm not saying you shouldn't look

1191
00:57:56,933 --> 00:57:59,573
Speaker 2: for another job, but for over half of people to

1192
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:04,133
Speaker 2: be dissatisfied and have regret for their careers. Seems like

1193
00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:08,333
Speaker 2: there's at least some kind of dissatisfaction syndrome and there gooday, guys,

1194
00:58:08,453 --> 00:58:10,453
Speaker 2: is this text. I think social media has really ruined

1195
00:58:10,453 --> 00:58:13,613
Speaker 2: it for young people and their aspirations. On absolutely fake lives,

1196
00:58:13,613 --> 00:58:16,293
Speaker 2: which just shows you the good bits you're missing the

1197
00:58:16,333 --> 00:58:19,133
Speaker 2: in between bits. The journey. That's that's the journey, not

1198
00:58:19,213 --> 00:58:22,213
Speaker 2: just the goals. Cheers from Carl. Yep, Yeah, that's what

1199
00:58:22,213 --> 00:58:23,933
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So you know, it might not be the

1200
00:58:23,933 --> 00:58:27,053
Speaker 2: most glamorous thing, but the job, the career that Reuben

1201
00:58:27,093 --> 00:58:30,253
Speaker 2: has taken and worked away and got his own business

1202
00:58:30,253 --> 00:58:32,133
Speaker 2: and it's providing his family. I think that's the I

1203
00:58:32,133 --> 00:58:35,093
Speaker 2: think that's the that's the hero's hero's journey. Yeah, oh

1204
00:58:35,213 --> 00:58:37,573
Speaker 2: Waite hundred eighty ten eighty Am I am I wrong? Yep.

1205
00:58:37,653 --> 00:58:40,173
Speaker 3: It is twenty six past two, bag very shortly here

1206
00:58:40,213 --> 00:58:41,253
Speaker 3: on News TALKSB.

1207
00:58:45,333 --> 00:58:48,693
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1208
00:58:48,693 --> 00:58:50,893
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1209
00:58:51,013 --> 00:58:54,413
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about job dissatisfaction. Apparently more than

1210
00:58:54,493 --> 00:58:57,773
Speaker 3: half fifty four percent of key Wes regret their career choice.

1211
00:58:57,973 --> 00:59:00,373
Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of heat here as like I

1212
00:59:01,013 --> 00:59:04,013
Speaker 2: suggesting that I said that completely miss something when I

1213
00:59:04,053 --> 00:59:06,253
Speaker 2: was staying this text. Yeah, a good joiner doing fab

1214
00:59:06,333 --> 00:59:09,293
Speaker 2: kitchens exterture in Hants's life, I was an artistic and

1215
00:59:09,293 --> 00:59:11,693
Speaker 2: creative to do well. So it's not a base job.

1216
00:59:11,893 --> 00:59:14,213
Speaker 2: As talking on the radio, more elevated cheers up. I

1217
00:59:14,253 --> 00:59:16,933
Speaker 2: never said that. I said the exact opposite. I said,

1218
00:59:17,093 --> 00:59:20,093
Speaker 2: that is a great life that you're leading. If you

1219
00:59:20,173 --> 00:59:22,493
Speaker 2: get very very good at a trade and then you

1220
00:59:22,573 --> 00:59:24,773
Speaker 2: start a business and you can or you know, you

1221
00:59:24,893 --> 00:59:28,333
Speaker 2: work hard and you can support your family, then that

1222
00:59:28,493 --> 00:59:29,613
Speaker 2: is a great business.

1223
00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:30,173
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1224
00:59:30,253 --> 00:59:32,533
Speaker 2: That is what you said, the exact opposite.

1225
00:59:32,653 --> 00:59:34,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I said, I one hundred and eighty ten

1226
00:59:35,013 --> 00:59:36,093
Speaker 3: eighties and I'm going to call get.

1227
00:59:35,973 --> 00:59:37,373
Speaker 19: A John good.

1228
00:59:37,533 --> 00:59:39,613
Speaker 3: How are you guys your dream jobs?

1229
00:59:39,693 --> 00:59:44,813
Speaker 5: Talk to us? Well, my dissatisfaction was my previous job

1230
00:59:44,853 --> 00:59:45,933
Speaker 5: as a butcher.

1231
00:59:46,453 --> 00:59:48,253
Speaker 3: Right, And why didn't you like being a butcher?

1232
00:59:48,933 --> 00:59:51,773
Speaker 5: Oh? Well, it's a dead end job. You're only ever

1233
00:59:51,813 --> 00:59:54,213
Speaker 5: going to earn twenty eight, fifty or thirty dollars an

1234
00:59:54,213 --> 00:59:57,373
Speaker 5: hour as a butcher. But I gave that job away

1235
00:59:57,453 --> 01:00:00,533
Speaker 5: two years ago and started my own business. I spoke

1236
01:00:00,573 --> 01:00:02,773
Speaker 5: to Kerry about this a little while ago when she

1237
01:00:02,893 --> 01:00:06,733
Speaker 5: was asking the similar questions, and yeah, I'd never look

1238
01:00:06,773 --> 01:00:09,693
Speaker 5: back at butchering again, never pick up a knife and

1239
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:10,573
Speaker 5: a butchery again.

1240
01:00:11,253 --> 01:00:12,813
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great story, John. So what is

1241
01:00:12,853 --> 01:00:14,053
Speaker 3: your business? What are you doing now?

1242
01:00:14,893 --> 01:00:17,653
Speaker 5: Well, now, my partner and I started a business called

1243
01:00:17,653 --> 01:00:20,053
Speaker 5: Hedges and More in the Hawks Say, where we trim

1244
01:00:20,093 --> 01:00:22,973
Speaker 5: people's hedges and mow lawns and do garden maintenance.

1245
01:00:23,693 --> 01:00:28,573
Speaker 20: Love that, absolutely love it couldn't couldn't be happiest. Like

1246
01:00:29,253 --> 01:00:31,333
Speaker 20: I get up in the morning and I look at

1247
01:00:31,373 --> 01:00:33,533
Speaker 20: the calendar, my diary of what's got to be done,

1248
01:00:33,573 --> 01:00:37,733
Speaker 20: and it's like, yay, I'm doing a hedge, a hedge today.

1249
01:00:37,933 --> 01:00:38,733
Speaker 5: Great stuff.

1250
01:00:38,893 --> 01:00:41,093
Speaker 3: I love that. And so what is it about? What

1251
01:00:41,173 --> 01:00:42,653
Speaker 3: is it about the job that you're doing now? Is

1252
01:00:42,693 --> 01:00:46,573
Speaker 3: it that you're out in the sunshine, you're outdoors? It

1253
01:00:46,653 --> 01:00:50,293
Speaker 3: is you know, there's something satisfying about doing menial labor

1254
01:00:50,293 --> 01:00:52,173
Speaker 3: if you will. Is that what you love about it?

1255
01:00:53,053 --> 01:00:55,693
Speaker 5: All of that, plus when you look at a hedge

1256
01:00:55,733 --> 01:01:00,693
Speaker 5: and it's like unkept by the time we finish, it's

1257
01:01:00,733 --> 01:01:05,413
Speaker 5: brought back into some sort of tame dynamic and yeah,

1258
01:01:05,693 --> 01:01:09,253
Speaker 5: just looking beautiful against you know, they just I'm looking amazing.

1259
01:01:09,533 --> 01:01:11,253
Speaker 2: And I've read a bit. I've read a bit that

1260
01:01:11,333 --> 01:01:13,973
Speaker 2: when the there's a direct relationship between the work you

1261
01:01:14,053 --> 01:01:16,573
Speaker 2: do and the money you get paid, as opposed to say,

1262
01:01:16,853 --> 01:01:19,093
Speaker 2: there's some jobs where it seems to be eery feury.

1263
01:01:19,093 --> 01:01:20,973
Speaker 2: You're part of a company around you know, not exactly,

1264
01:01:21,173 --> 01:01:26,173
Speaker 2: but you you you you fasten the hedge and you

1265
01:01:26,213 --> 01:01:30,573
Speaker 2: get paid. So there's a direct direct relationship between your

1266
01:01:30,613 --> 01:01:33,373
Speaker 2: work and the money that comes in. Is that satisfying.

1267
01:01:34,373 --> 01:01:37,013
Speaker 5: It's amazing, It really is that. And being my own boss,

1268
01:01:37,573 --> 01:01:39,653
Speaker 5: you know, we drive around Hastings and have a lot

1269
01:01:39,733 --> 01:01:41,533
Speaker 5: north and some of the jobs that we've done and

1270
01:01:41,573 --> 01:01:45,373
Speaker 5: we sort of yep, I did that hedge or or well,

1271
01:01:45,813 --> 01:01:50,693
Speaker 5: or we'll say that hedge needs a trim. Phones. Yeah,

1272
01:01:50,733 --> 01:01:53,493
Speaker 5: we take the four and after photos of the jobs

1273
01:01:53,493 --> 01:01:55,853
Speaker 5: that we do, with the permission of the owner of

1274
01:01:55,893 --> 01:01:59,453
Speaker 5: the property, of course, and then we'll put them onto Facebook,

1275
01:01:59,493 --> 01:02:04,173
Speaker 5: on our on our Facebook page, and our phones are

1276
01:02:04,213 --> 01:02:08,773
Speaker 5: full of hedge porn, so many hedges that we've done

1277
01:02:08,813 --> 01:02:11,453
Speaker 5: that we think, yep, we'll make that one. We'll make

1278
01:02:11,493 --> 01:02:13,493
Speaker 5: the most of that one at some stage and we'll

1279
01:02:13,813 --> 01:02:17,173
Speaker 5: update our Facebook page. But that's it's a great job.

1280
01:02:17,173 --> 01:02:20,293
Speaker 5: We've got great clients, we've got a great lifestyle now

1281
01:02:21,693 --> 01:02:23,373
Speaker 5: and being your own boss, you know.

1282
01:02:23,413 --> 01:02:26,213
Speaker 2: That's just well, yeah, this is this is exactly what

1283
01:02:26,213 --> 01:02:28,853
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, James. And I'm so glad you called

1284
01:02:28,853 --> 01:02:30,533
Speaker 2: in because this is the point I'm trying to make.

1285
01:02:31,013 --> 01:02:33,173
Speaker 2: There was the study out of the UK a few

1286
01:02:33,213 --> 01:02:35,573
Speaker 2: years ago and they found out that it came back

1287
01:02:35,613 --> 01:02:38,213
Speaker 2: to fifty eight percent of kids I either wanted to

1288
01:02:38,213 --> 01:02:41,013
Speaker 2: be famous or an assistant to a famous person. And

1289
01:02:42,093 --> 01:02:47,453
Speaker 2: there we go, James, before you fire up again, just

1290
01:02:47,613 --> 01:02:48,013
Speaker 2: give us.

1291
01:02:47,933 --> 01:02:49,293
Speaker 5: The leading warm up.

1292
01:02:49,373 --> 01:02:49,853
Speaker 14: I'm living it.

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Speaker 1: Warm up.

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Speaker 2: Give us the name of your business and how people

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Speaker 2: can see you on Facebook and such.

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Speaker 19: James, Okay, well we're called Hedges and More Hedges and

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Speaker 19: More based in based in Hastings and Havelock, and you

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Speaker 19: can see us on Facebook or on our Google reviews.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, James. I just toick five five stars

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01:03:09,813 --> 01:03:11,333
Speaker 3: out of five. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Hitges and more. Good on you, John, You're living the dream.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I love that he got the huge

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01:03:16,213 --> 01:03:19,533
Speaker 3: from and going during that chat. That's a man who's dedicated. Yeah,

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01:03:19,533 --> 01:03:21,053
Speaker 3: he wants to get on with doing what he loves,

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Speaker 3: which is.

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Speaker 2: Kind of not that it's kind of sort of a

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01:03:24,693 --> 01:03:26,493
Speaker 2: little bit interesting around the point I was trying to

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Speaker 2: make that, you know, social media is making us believe

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Speaker 2: that we need to be special. But you know, James

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01:03:33,013 --> 01:03:35,973
Speaker 2: has got this fantastic job. He's loving it, he's doing

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Speaker 2: very well. But he's also putting the shots on on

1312
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Speaker 2: social media. I think that's a better way to do it. Yeah, exactly,

1313
01:03:42,213 --> 01:03:44,413
Speaker 2: rather than looking at social media and going those people

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Speaker 2: have a better life than me. He's going off and

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Speaker 2: doing his life and he's putting up the shots of

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Speaker 2: his hedges that he cuts that he's proud of and

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01:03:50,573 --> 01:03:53,773
Speaker 2: growing more business and cleverly bringing through eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty mentioning his business, and then we're talking about

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Speaker 2: heges and more, Yeah and more.

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Speaker 3: John's got it sorted.

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Speaker 2: He takes all the Bob More Hastings for straight man.

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01:04:03,973 --> 01:04:05,973
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1323
01:04:06,013 --> 01:04:07,933
Speaker 3: coll love to hear from you on this. It is

1324
01:04:07,933 --> 01:04:11,333
Speaker 3: on the bed a survey that shows half of us

1325
01:04:11,413 --> 01:04:14,893
Speaker 3: fifty four percent regret their career choice, but love to

1326
01:04:14,933 --> 01:04:16,493
Speaker 3: hear from you if you do have a job that

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Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily be considered your dream job, but you love it.

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01:04:20,693 --> 01:04:27,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, did James' wife just let rip? No, no, that

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01:04:27,173 --> 01:04:28,573
Speaker 2: he was was starting at what he was.

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Speaker 3: Warming up the hedge trum. Yeah, come on, come on,

1331
01:04:30,733 --> 01:04:32,493
Speaker 3: come on, you're better above board.

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Speaker 2: You're better than.

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Speaker 4: That youth talk.

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Speaker 10: Said the headlines wells blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

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Speaker 10: with a blue bubble. Health New Zealand has apologized and

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Speaker 10: says it's reviewing resourcing and working on changes to make

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Speaker 10: sure a case of mistaken identity never happens again. Police

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01:04:50,493 --> 01:04:52,733
Speaker 10: mistook an eleven year old for a woman in her

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Speaker 10: twenties and she was restrained and given drugs at a

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Speaker 10: mental health facility. Police have apologized and say their processes

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Speaker 10: can be improved. The Minister for Rail slamming key we

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Speaker 10: Rail for paying eight million dollars to consulting firm McKenzie

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Speaker 10: in late twenty twenty three, only killing the government. This February,

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Speaker 10: thirteen people have been taken to hospital and at least

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Speaker 10: two seriously injured after a crash at Matapu and South

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Speaker 10: Taranaki between a car and a van and upper hut.

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Speaker 10: One person is serious injuries after a car and a

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Speaker 10: motorbike collided. Two separate crashes are causing delays in Nappier,

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Speaker 10: including one that's left a person seriously injured. The hawks

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Speaker 10: By Expressway southbound lane is blocked after a pedestrian has

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Speaker 10: been hit by a vehicle, while the southbound lane at

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Speaker 10: Tartardale Road is shut after a truck and car collided

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Speaker 10: near Mardi Road. Just after one point thirteen plus Hellenstein's

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Speaker 10: profit hit by a tough New Zealand market. Read more

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Speaker 10: at ends at Herald Premium.

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Speaker 2: Now back to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. When you're just a reminder coming

1358
01:05:53,013 --> 01:05:55,333
Speaker 3: up very shortly you are going to be given a

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Speaker 3: chance to win five hundred bucks cash and go into

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Speaker 3: the drawer for the ultimate island escapeable thanks to Neway Island.

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Speaker 3: So the grand prize, which will be announced on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Get this return flights for four to New Way, seven

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Speaker 3: nights for four in two deluxe rooms no less at

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Speaker 3: the scenic Muttervye Resort, including daily breakfast, choice of either

1365
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Speaker 3: a one day fishing charter or four four four rather

1366
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Speaker 3: or a day's time snorkeling charter, seven day vehicle rental

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Speaker 3: and an island tour. That is an amazing grand prize

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Speaker 3: and oh wouldn't love a trip like that to New Way.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful cerently three and a half hours away, so close.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about this study that found that over

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01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:37,733
Speaker 2: half of New Zealand's regret their career choice, so dissatisfied

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Speaker 2: with their job. Someone here keep I think people keep misunderstanding.

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01:06:41,293 --> 01:06:45,013
Speaker 2: Say they're saying you're celebrating mediocrity. Mediocrity does not bring happiness.

1374
01:06:45,013 --> 01:06:48,053
Speaker 2: But social media OnlyFans girls are really happy. They're making

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01:06:48,093 --> 01:06:51,893
Speaker 2: millions of dollars, looking glamorous and living off male weakness,

1376
01:06:51,933 --> 01:06:55,293
Speaker 2: flying around the world to great locations. So social media

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01:06:55,373 --> 01:06:58,253
Speaker 2: has embraced good looks and society is embracing it. That's

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Speaker 2: from Rob. I don't know. I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: only fans girls are as happy as you think they are. Yeah,

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01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:09,413
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think living and riding that that

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01:07:09,533 --> 01:07:13,413
Speaker 2: kind of life. It's not for me. And when I

1382
01:07:13,453 --> 01:07:14,773
Speaker 2: say it's not for me, no one would pay for it.

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01:07:14,773 --> 01:07:16,333
Speaker 3: Anything you tried and it didn't quite work.

1384
01:07:16,893 --> 01:07:19,493
Speaker 2: No one wanted it with it's in a bikinis by

1385
01:07:19,773 --> 01:07:22,333
Speaker 2: Infinity Pool. No one wanted to pay your price.

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01:07:22,373 --> 01:07:27,533
Speaker 3: People out of the market, no subscribers by asking for anybody, Jerry,

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Speaker 3: your thoughts on this topic.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, how you're going lads. I went from a relatively well,

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01:07:35,053 --> 01:07:37,533
Speaker 14: very high paid job in the finance sector for ten

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01:07:37,653 --> 01:07:41,573
Speaker 14: odd years to working for the police, earning less than

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01:07:41,573 --> 01:07:44,173
Speaker 14: half of what I did, and by far the best

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Speaker 14: move I've ever made. It's just phenomenal money money wise,

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01:07:49,053 --> 01:07:54,493
Speaker 14: obviously far less lucrative, but in terms of job satisfaction, yeah,

1394
01:07:54,733 --> 01:07:58,093
Speaker 14: just complete, complete, different, complete, different, killer fish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what what was the catalyst for the change? Jerry?

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Speaker 14: My type of role was just dealing with lots of

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01:08:07,773 --> 01:08:10,853
Speaker 14: really well people who were probably a little bit self entitled,

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01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:14,173
Speaker 14: and I just got thick of it and the pressures

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01:08:14,173 --> 01:08:18,372
Speaker 14: that come from the finance sector and your pressure to perform,

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01:08:18,532 --> 01:08:21,053
Speaker 14: and you just weren't really making a difference. It wasn't

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01:08:21,133 --> 01:08:26,133
Speaker 14: doing anything for me, I guess emotionally. Mentally it was

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01:08:26,253 --> 01:08:28,333
Speaker 14: just yeah, it was just it was a job for

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01:08:28,372 --> 01:08:30,213
Speaker 14: the sake of the money, and the money just wasn't

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01:08:30,253 --> 01:08:30,612
Speaker 14: worth it.

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01:08:31,812 --> 01:08:34,612
Speaker 3: And so what is the role that you're doing now?

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01:08:34,612 --> 01:08:35,093
Speaker 3: Can you say?

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01:08:37,093 --> 01:08:40,692
Speaker 14: I work in financial crime, but I've moved there because

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01:08:40,732 --> 01:08:43,253
Speaker 14: it affords me a little bit more time you know,

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01:08:43,333 --> 01:08:46,173
Speaker 14: it's eight till five Monday to Friday, versus the shift

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01:08:46,173 --> 01:08:47,333
Speaker 14: work that a lot of police do.

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01:08:48,133 --> 01:08:49,973
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say, you're not working, and

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01:08:50,173 --> 01:08:53,293
Speaker 2: you're not you're not committing financial crime. You're working and

1413
01:08:53,452 --> 01:08:54,053
Speaker 2: combating it.

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01:08:54,612 --> 01:08:59,413
Speaker 14: Working. Yeah, yeah, meeting financial crime. Yeah, quite the opposite.

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01:09:00,093 --> 01:09:03,133
Speaker 14: So yeah, I did. I did six or seven years

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01:09:03,173 --> 01:09:05,253
Speaker 14: of that shift work and now moving to a nine

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01:09:05,293 --> 01:09:07,812
Speaker 14: to five job as Yeah, has been a game changer.

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01:09:07,853 --> 01:09:10,812
Speaker 14: But like I said, the money, there's nothing. It's the

1419
01:09:10,893 --> 01:09:13,732
Speaker 14: job satisfaction. It's the ability to be able to sort

1420
01:09:13,732 --> 01:09:15,812
Speaker 14: of affect change and make a change in other people's

1421
01:09:15,812 --> 01:09:18,692
Speaker 14: life that has made a massive difference and has completely

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Speaker 14: changed my way of thinking around. I guess how society

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01:09:23,692 --> 01:09:26,692
Speaker 14: and how society lives certainly made me way more grateful

1424
01:09:26,692 --> 01:09:31,093
Speaker 14: for what I've got compared to a lot of others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I wonder how many people, when they say,

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01:09:34,412 --> 01:09:37,253
Speaker 2: you know that they regret their career choices and dissatisfied

1427
01:09:37,333 --> 01:09:39,293
Speaker 2: with the jobs they've got, you know, over fifty percent

1428
01:09:39,293 --> 01:09:42,012
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. I wonder how many of those people

1429
01:09:42,053 --> 01:09:45,293
Speaker 2: are going like you that I would be more satisfied

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01:09:45,372 --> 01:09:48,652
Speaker 2: if I was doing something I guess more honorable or

1431
01:09:48,893 --> 01:09:53,412
Speaker 2: something that helped society more, or do you think that

1432
01:09:53,452 --> 01:09:56,732
Speaker 2: these people are mainly dissatisfied because they've seen someone on

1433
01:09:56,812 --> 01:09:59,372
Speaker 2: Instagram that's richer than them.

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01:09:59,893 --> 01:10:02,452
Speaker 14: It's really hard. Once you get into a position where

1435
01:10:02,452 --> 01:10:05,213
Speaker 14: you're earning decent money and you start living a lifestyle,

1436
01:10:05,933 --> 01:10:08,772
Speaker 14: you kind of get attuned to that. I think it's

1437
01:10:08,812 --> 01:10:12,372
Speaker 14: really hard to go back and not earn as much

1438
01:10:13,412 --> 01:10:16,293
Speaker 14: because you've become attuned to that kind of lifestyle. And

1439
01:10:16,333 --> 01:10:18,452
Speaker 14: so for a lot of people, it's just it becomes

1440
01:10:18,612 --> 01:10:20,412
Speaker 14: out of reach. You can no longer sort of track

1441
01:10:20,452 --> 01:10:23,372
Speaker 14: yourself in a position where you're financially just not able

1442
01:10:23,412 --> 01:10:28,812
Speaker 14: to do that anymore. So Yeah, I don't know if

1443
01:10:28,812 --> 01:10:31,732
Speaker 14: that answers your question. But from my perspective, I was

1444
01:10:31,812 --> 01:10:34,412
Speaker 14: relatively lucky because I'd had ten years in the financial there.

1445
01:10:34,492 --> 01:10:38,093
Speaker 14: I was moderately well set up financially. But yeah, the

1446
01:10:38,173 --> 01:10:41,852
Speaker 14: job set affection is just yeah, like they game change it.

1447
01:10:41,973 --> 01:10:43,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're talking about the aguria is the hedonic

1448
01:10:43,853 --> 01:10:49,012
Speaker 2: treadmill where you get luxuries and then luxuries become standard,

1449
01:10:49,053 --> 01:10:51,172
Speaker 2: you become used to them. You don't enjoy the luxury

1450
01:10:51,253 --> 01:10:54,612
Speaker 2: anymore because that's just your life, say, for example, heated

1451
01:10:54,612 --> 01:10:58,612
Speaker 2: bathroom floors, that that becomes the standard for you in

1452
01:10:58,652 --> 01:11:00,812
Speaker 2: any less than that is then painful. But you actually

1453
01:11:00,853 --> 01:11:04,052
Speaker 2: never needed the heated bathroom floors, and they never actually

1454
01:11:04,133 --> 01:11:06,213
Speaker 2: make your happiness but happy because by the time you've

1455
01:11:06,213 --> 01:11:09,772
Speaker 2: got it, your aspirations have moved on. As this Texas

1456
01:11:09,812 --> 01:11:12,132
Speaker 2: says here, it will buying a house make me happy?

1457
01:11:12,652 --> 01:11:16,732
Speaker 3: No, for a little while, and then no, no, then no.

1458
01:11:17,173 --> 01:11:19,012
Speaker 2: If you're happy, then you will be able to enjoy

1459
01:11:19,013 --> 01:11:21,772
Speaker 2: your house. If you find out how to make yourself happy,

1460
01:11:21,772 --> 01:11:23,692
Speaker 2: then you will enjoy the house. But just buying the

1461
01:11:23,692 --> 01:11:26,173
Speaker 2: house and moving into it, that's not going to make

1462
01:11:26,213 --> 01:11:26,492
Speaker 2: you happy.

1463
01:11:26,532 --> 01:11:27,173
Speaker 3: It's not going to solve you.

1464
01:11:27,412 --> 01:11:29,213
Speaker 2: It would just be the same sad set moving into

1465
01:11:29,213 --> 01:11:29,572
Speaker 2: a house.

1466
01:11:30,293 --> 01:11:31,933
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1467
01:11:32,013 --> 01:11:33,812
Speaker 3: number to call. It is sixteen to three.

1468
01:11:35,213 --> 01:11:38,692
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

1469
01:11:38,933 --> 01:11:39,972
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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01:11:40,213 --> 01:11:42,452
Speaker 4: Matt and Taylor afternoons used talks.

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01:11:42,492 --> 01:11:45,572
Speaker 3: It'd be good afternoon. We're talking about what appears to

1472
01:11:45,572 --> 01:11:49,372
Speaker 3: be quite a unsatisfied population when it comes to their

1473
01:11:49,372 --> 01:11:55,733
Speaker 3: career choices. You're laughing about these bloody heated.

1474
01:11:54,213 --> 01:11:57,093
Speaker 2: I'm just giving an example of you get luxuries, you

1475
01:11:57,093 --> 01:11:59,013
Speaker 2: get used to them, and then they mean nothing. And

1476
01:11:59,093 --> 01:12:01,253
Speaker 2: someone texts it, and I just realized I was responding

1477
01:12:01,293 --> 01:12:03,612
Speaker 2: to it. I might turn off my heated flows on

1478
01:12:03,652 --> 01:12:05,892
Speaker 2: my bathroom tonight. I've never turned them off before. I

1479
01:12:05,893 --> 01:12:07,772
Speaker 2: will let you know if this makes me happy. And

1480
01:12:07,812 --> 01:12:10,572
Speaker 2: I was wondering with the most pathetic texts ever. I

1481
01:12:10,612 --> 01:12:13,412
Speaker 2: was saying, what flaws have you got, because I'm struggling

1482
01:12:13,452 --> 01:12:15,812
Speaker 2: with mine at the moment. The time is not working,

1483
01:12:15,853 --> 01:12:18,253
Speaker 2: so my heated flaws are on full heat in the

1484
01:12:18,293 --> 01:12:21,812
Speaker 2: middle of the night, and then in the morning they're off,

1485
01:12:21,853 --> 01:12:23,052
Speaker 2: so the timing's out.

1486
01:12:23,612 --> 01:12:25,293
Speaker 3: What happens, what happens.

1487
01:12:25,933 --> 01:12:28,453
Speaker 2: It's making me miserable about.

1488
01:12:28,253 --> 01:12:31,852
Speaker 3: The heated bathroom tiles.

1489
01:12:30,692 --> 01:12:34,293
Speaker 2: And this humidity.

1490
01:12:34,013 --> 01:12:35,692
Speaker 3: And ten eighty is the number to call.

1491
01:12:35,853 --> 01:12:37,732
Speaker 2: I studied to become a teacher, says as text. Before

1492
01:12:37,732 --> 01:12:39,572
Speaker 2: I even finished my study, I realized that I was

1493
01:12:39,612 --> 01:12:42,093
Speaker 2: going to be very unsatisfied with the extreme lack of

1494
01:12:42,133 --> 01:12:44,572
Speaker 2: work life balance. It made me realize what I wanted

1495
01:12:44,732 --> 01:12:47,572
Speaker 2: was a job where it had where it had set hours,

1496
01:12:47,612 --> 01:12:50,293
Speaker 2: managed to find a part time job, work to live.

1497
01:12:50,372 --> 01:12:53,492
Speaker 2: Guys don't live to work. Yeah, yes, well, that's see,

1498
01:12:53,532 --> 01:12:55,653
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. There's nothing wrong with being dissatisfied

1499
01:12:55,652 --> 01:12:58,052
Speaker 2: with your job and looking for something else and finding

1500
01:12:58,093 --> 01:13:01,772
Speaker 2: a thing. My thing is that people are dissatisfied because

1501
01:13:01,772 --> 01:13:04,532
Speaker 2: they're comparing themselves to other people and feeling like they're

1502
01:13:04,532 --> 01:13:06,652
Speaker 2: not earning it. That's why they're doing They're not living

1503
01:13:06,652 --> 01:13:10,053
Speaker 2: the glamorous Instagram life. And I think higher than zero

1504
01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:12,693
Speaker 2: percentage of the half of New Zealanders that are unsatisfied

1505
01:13:12,692 --> 01:13:16,132
Speaker 2: with their jobs are people looking at that as opposed

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01:13:16,173 --> 01:13:19,293
Speaker 2: to just finding a great work life balance where they

1507
01:13:19,572 --> 01:13:21,772
Speaker 2: are proud of what they do. They work hard, and

1508
01:13:21,812 --> 01:13:23,412
Speaker 2: they provide for the family and they're a good member

1509
01:13:23,452 --> 01:13:25,732
Speaker 2: of community, which I think is a heroic way to live.

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01:13:26,772 --> 01:13:28,213
Speaker 3: Carrie, good afternoon to you.

1511
01:13:29,532 --> 01:13:30,173
Speaker 7: Hey, how you go?

1512
01:13:30,253 --> 01:13:32,093
Speaker 3: And Guy, very good? You love your job?

1513
01:13:33,372 --> 01:13:34,012
Speaker 5: Oh I do?

1514
01:13:34,253 --> 01:13:36,692
Speaker 7: I do. I had a job where I was working

1515
01:13:36,772 --> 01:13:39,492
Speaker 7: for a real rogue and I work for them for

1516
01:13:39,532 --> 01:13:42,093
Speaker 7: four years and I was so stressed. I was speering

1517
01:13:42,213 --> 01:13:45,813
Speaker 7: every morning before going to work, and so I decided

1518
01:13:45,812 --> 01:13:49,053
Speaker 7: I wouldn't work for anyone ever again. And since then

1519
01:13:49,093 --> 01:13:54,133
Speaker 7: I've been working for myself and I absolutely love what

1520
01:13:54,293 --> 01:13:54,692
Speaker 7: I do.

1521
01:13:55,973 --> 01:13:57,013
Speaker 2: Carrie, And what do you do.

1522
01:13:58,293 --> 01:14:02,892
Speaker 13: I do mask for testing, say one more time, mask

1523
01:14:03,293 --> 01:14:06,812
Speaker 13: for testing. Oh yes, yep, so for trade eats that

1524
01:14:06,973 --> 01:14:10,973
Speaker 13: need any I'm working with dust or biological agents or

1525
01:14:10,973 --> 01:14:14,253
Speaker 13: things like that. Remember through COVID everyone had to wear

1526
01:14:14,293 --> 01:14:16,772
Speaker 13: a mask and all the doctors and nurses had to

1527
01:14:16,772 --> 01:14:20,612
Speaker 13: be pit tested things like that. Right, So that's what

1528
01:14:20,652 --> 01:14:24,532
Speaker 13: we do and we go, mate, We get all over

1529
01:14:24,572 --> 01:14:28,372
Speaker 13: the country from north from through to christ Church testing

1530
01:14:28,452 --> 01:14:32,852
Speaker 13: people to ensure that their masks split them. And we're

1531
01:14:32,893 --> 01:14:36,253
Speaker 13: really passionate about it because we get to talk to

1532
01:14:36,372 --> 01:14:41,452
Speaker 13: the people that don't have good lungs because of not

1533
01:14:41,572 --> 01:14:45,852
Speaker 13: wearing the white protection. You know, so we see both

1534
01:14:45,893 --> 01:14:47,372
Speaker 13: sides of the story.

1535
01:14:47,772 --> 01:14:49,852
Speaker 2: What's the name of you? We're just running a little

1536
01:14:49,893 --> 01:14:52,053
Speaker 2: bit out of time, Carey. What's the name of your business.

1537
01:14:52,812 --> 01:14:57,132
Speaker 7: It's called Fit You Face. F I t y A face.

1538
01:14:57,772 --> 01:14:58,333
Speaker 4: I got good?

1539
01:14:58,572 --> 01:15:00,333
Speaker 2: Do you think for your cool carry? And I'm glad

1540
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:03,293
Speaker 2: that you're loving your job. This Texas is loving this chatfellas.

1541
01:15:03,333 --> 01:15:05,812
Speaker 2: I'm a Tyler and Wellington. It's been tough finding consistent

1542
01:15:05,853 --> 01:15:07,812
Speaker 2: work for the last year, but I'm happy in my work,

1543
01:15:07,812 --> 01:15:10,052
Speaker 2: which I hadn't more of it. Luckily for our family,

1544
01:15:10,053 --> 01:15:13,692
Speaker 2: my partner is killing it as a curly hairdresser, woman's haircuts.

1545
01:15:14,213 --> 01:15:14,852
Speaker 3: Hey the else?

1546
01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:15,372
Speaker 2: There you go?

1547
01:15:15,492 --> 01:15:16,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good?

1548
01:15:16,893 --> 01:15:17,133
Speaker 13: Right.

1549
01:15:17,372 --> 01:15:19,492
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1550
01:15:19,572 --> 01:15:22,012
Speaker 3: call right now. It is ten to two.

1551
01:15:22,013 --> 01:15:26,253
Speaker 1: Three when an authentic Pacific getaway like no other Thanks

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Speaker 1: to New A Island. Call now for eight hundred eighty

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01:15:29,173 --> 01:15:33,412
Speaker 1: ten eighty us talk sedby the issues that affect you

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Speaker 1: and a bit of fun along the way. Matt and

1555
01:15:35,853 --> 01:15:42,412
Speaker 1: Taylor Afternoons used talk s edb when an authentic Pacific

1556
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Speaker 1: getaway like no other Thanks to New A Island and

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01:15:45,612 --> 01:15:46,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath.

1558
01:15:46,173 --> 01:15:48,093
Speaker 4: And Tyler Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: Yes, here we go, so your chance to win five

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01:15:52,652 --> 01:15:54,692
Speaker 3: hundred dollars cash and go into the drawer for the

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Speaker 3: ultimate island Escapable thanks to New Way Island. CNN and

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01:15:58,532 --> 01:16:01,293
Speaker 3: Time Magazine named Neway a place to visit in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five in their global destinations list. That is the

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Speaker 3: only island mentioned, which shows how special this play, says.

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01:16:08,452 --> 01:16:12,013
Speaker 3: Grand prize as a reminder, return flights for four to

1566
01:16:12,133 --> 01:16:15,652
Speaker 3: New Ways seven nights for four in two deluxe rooms,

1567
01:16:15,652 --> 01:16:18,293
Speaker 3: including daily breakfast, choice of either a one day fishing

1568
01:16:18,372 --> 01:16:21,253
Speaker 3: charter for four or a day's time snorkeling charter, seven

1569
01:16:21,293 --> 01:16:23,772
Speaker 3: day vehicle rental and an island tool.

1570
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Speaker 7: Good?

1571
01:16:24,412 --> 01:16:24,932
Speaker 2: How good?

1572
01:16:25,173 --> 01:16:25,372
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1573
01:16:25,612 --> 01:16:27,172
Speaker 2: And very good? Tyler.

1574
01:16:27,452 --> 01:16:30,013
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so the phone lines have led up, but O W.

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01:16:30,013 --> 01:16:33,093
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty keep trying because this

1576
01:16:33,213 --> 01:16:37,253
Speaker 3: is the moment where some lucky listener is going to

1577
01:16:37,293 --> 01:16:39,133
Speaker 3: win five hundred bucks cash and go into that draw

1578
01:16:39,173 --> 01:16:40,493
Speaker 3: for the ultimate prize.

1579
01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:45,173
Speaker 2: Vaughn, Welcome to the show, Vorn. You gents, all right,

1580
01:16:45,173 --> 01:16:46,012
Speaker 2: how are you feeling Vorn?

1581
01:16:47,013 --> 01:16:49,412
Speaker 5: Oh, not hopeful, but give it a shot.

1582
01:16:49,173 --> 01:16:52,852
Speaker 2: Feeling knowledgeable on the island of New A?

1583
01:16:53,253 --> 01:16:54,333
Speaker 5: You know, softy a?

1584
01:16:54,652 --> 01:16:57,452
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm gonna once I ask the question. This

1585
01:16:57,492 --> 01:17:00,173
Speaker 2: is how it's gonna Workvorn. You have five seconds to

1586
01:17:00,173 --> 01:17:02,852
Speaker 2: answer the question once I've asked it. If you get

1587
01:17:02,893 --> 01:17:04,213
Speaker 2: it wrong, we'll go to the next quarter. If you

1588
01:17:04,213 --> 01:17:06,333
Speaker 2: get it right, you get five hundred bucks. Are you ready?

1589
01:17:07,253 --> 01:17:07,692
Speaker 4: Good stuff?

1590
01:17:07,772 --> 01:17:07,972
Speaker 7: Yep?

1591
01:17:08,013 --> 01:17:08,412
Speaker 14: Ready?

1592
01:17:09,053 --> 01:17:12,093
Speaker 2: How long is the flight to New A from New

1593
01:17:12,173 --> 01:17:14,372
Speaker 2: Zealand Street?

1594
01:17:14,372 --> 01:17:15,293
Speaker 12: And half else.

1595
01:17:16,652 --> 01:17:19,572
Speaker 3: There is born? I knew, you said, a confident mate?

1596
01:17:19,772 --> 01:17:20,172
Speaker 2: Easy?

1597
01:17:20,692 --> 01:17:20,932
Speaker 11: You know?

1598
01:17:21,173 --> 01:17:21,612
Speaker 15: Quietly?

1599
01:17:21,973 --> 01:17:25,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, quietly? And five hundred bucks that is yours, my friends.

1600
01:17:25,492 --> 01:17:27,452
Speaker 3: And we always ask this question, but what if you

1601
01:17:27,572 --> 01:17:29,292
Speaker 3: how are you going to spend that five hundred bucks.

1602
01:17:30,732 --> 01:17:31,932
Speaker 12: I'll probably go straight in the bank.

1603
01:17:34,053 --> 01:17:36,293
Speaker 2: I can spend half of it, put half of the

1604
01:17:36,293 --> 01:17:38,973
Speaker 2: bank and live off the interest. This way to do it.

1605
01:17:39,173 --> 01:17:41,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you have you been to new A before?

1606
01:17:41,973 --> 01:17:42,452
Speaker 21: Worn?

1607
01:17:43,452 --> 01:17:45,133
Speaker 12: I haven't been to new No, I never been to

1608
01:17:45,173 --> 01:17:47,813
Speaker 12: any of the islands. Yeah, it's better.

1609
01:17:47,812 --> 01:17:50,173
Speaker 2: While you're in the drawer for the grand prize. Thank

1610
01:17:50,253 --> 01:17:50,972
Speaker 2: you so much.

1611
01:17:51,173 --> 01:17:53,812
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And just a reminder on that grand prize return

1612
01:17:53,853 --> 01:17:56,052
Speaker 3: flights for Ford to New Way seven nights for feign

1613
01:17:56,053 --> 01:17:58,812
Speaker 3: deluxe rooms, choice of a one day fishing charter or

1614
01:17:58,853 --> 01:18:01,852
Speaker 3: a day's dime snorkeling seven day vehicle rental on an

1615
01:18:01,853 --> 01:18:04,213
Speaker 3: island tour. Now you know the answer. All you've got

1616
01:18:04,213 --> 01:18:06,013
Speaker 3: to do to get in that drawer is go to

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Speaker 3: news Talks, b dot co, dot jed slash Adventure to

1618
01:18:09,933 --> 01:18:15,213
Speaker 3: qualify for Friday's grand prize draw which is incredible. Right,

1619
01:18:15,452 --> 01:18:18,333
Speaker 3: thank you very much. We'll do that all again tomorrow

1620
01:18:18,732 --> 01:18:21,212
Speaker 3: before we announced the grand prize winner on Friday.

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01:18:21,732 --> 01:18:24,772
Speaker 2: It's been a fantastic discussion and a lot of people

1622
01:18:24,812 --> 01:18:27,253
Speaker 2: coming through that are very happy with their jobs. So

1623
01:18:27,452 --> 01:18:29,333
Speaker 2: you know, the fifty one percent or so of New

1624
01:18:29,412 --> 01:18:32,333
Speaker 2: Zealanders that aren't haven't been ringing this show. Great topic.

1625
01:18:32,333 --> 01:18:34,412
Speaker 2: The best job I ever had was the best pay

1626
01:18:34,452 --> 01:18:36,492
Speaker 2: The best paid job was my last one and the

1627
01:18:36,532 --> 01:18:38,932
Speaker 2: most unhappy and broking I had ever been. And I

1628
01:18:38,973 --> 01:18:41,333
Speaker 2: wasn't alone in that thought. So if anyone out there

1629
01:18:41,372 --> 01:18:43,812
Speaker 2: has a part time job we can work from home,

1630
01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:46,532
Speaker 2: I'll take it. That's from Donna. Yeah, well we'll send

1631
01:18:46,572 --> 01:18:47,372
Speaker 2: them through to your Donna.

1632
01:18:47,612 --> 01:18:50,573
Speaker 3: Love that one and this one career as a preschool

1633
01:18:50,612 --> 01:18:55,412
Speaker 3: teacher eighteen years. Because of this, I decided that the

1634
01:18:55,452 --> 01:18:58,293
Speaker 3: pay was too low. Now I am doing my dream job,

1635
01:18:58,333 --> 01:19:00,772
Speaker 3: which I absolutely love. Thank you very much for those

1636
01:19:00,772 --> 01:19:02,652
Speaker 3: techs coming through today.

1637
01:19:02,692 --> 01:19:04,572
Speaker 2: There seems to be more people whose glass is half

1638
01:19:04,652 --> 01:19:07,333
Speaker 2: empty instead of their glass should be half film.

1639
01:19:07,452 --> 01:19:12,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great discussion. Coming up after three o'clock, Griffin's

1640
01:19:12,492 --> 01:19:15,293
Speaker 3: Cookie Bear is being put out to pass. She's been

1641
01:19:15,333 --> 01:19:16,572
Speaker 3: retired cent away.

1642
01:19:16,652 --> 01:19:18,852
Speaker 2: He's going to be no more, and we will reveal

1643
01:19:19,213 --> 01:19:22,652
Speaker 2: next the identity of Cookie Bear. What well known New

1644
01:19:22,692 --> 01:19:25,053
Speaker 2: Zealander was inside Cookie Bear?

1645
01:19:25,612 --> 01:19:27,892
Speaker 3: Who could have been oh one hundred and eighty ten

1646
01:19:27,933 --> 01:19:29,532
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call nineteen nine till it

1647
01:19:29,572 --> 01:19:32,452
Speaker 3: is the text number, new sport and weather on its way.

1648
01:19:32,652 --> 01:19:35,973
Speaker 3: Great to have your company as always. We'll see you

1649
01:19:36,093 --> 01:19:44,133
Speaker 3: on the other side.

1650
01:19:43,213 --> 01:19:50,933
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie

1651
01:19:50,973 --> 01:19:54,813
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk sebbe.

1652
01:19:55,053 --> 01:19:59,212
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. It is seven

1653
01:19:59,412 --> 01:20:02,013
Speaker 3: pass three. Great to have your company as always.

1654
01:20:02,093 --> 01:20:03,173
Speaker 2: So tragic news.

1655
01:20:03,772 --> 01:20:06,692
Speaker 3: The Cookie Bear is going to be no more, Tyler, Yeah,

1656
01:20:07,053 --> 01:20:09,812
Speaker 3: very very sad news. So the golden days of Griffin's

1657
01:20:09,812 --> 01:20:13,092
Speaker 3: treasured Cookie Bear mascot are over after a fifty seven

1658
01:20:13,173 --> 01:20:14,372
Speaker 3: year run with the company.

1659
01:20:14,853 --> 01:20:17,892
Speaker 2: Dump did do well. In just a few moments, we

1660
01:20:17,973 --> 01:20:21,852
Speaker 2: are going to announce the secret identity of the Cookie Bear.

1661
01:20:22,053 --> 01:20:22,933
Speaker 3: Who will it be.

1662
01:20:23,093 --> 01:20:25,333
Speaker 2: It's been under an nda for a long time, but

1663
01:20:25,412 --> 01:20:27,892
Speaker 2: we'll be able to announce that very very soon. Yep.

1664
01:20:27,973 --> 01:20:30,572
Speaker 2: Stand by and people that have been listening throughout the

1665
01:20:30,612 --> 01:20:32,772
Speaker 2: day already know. But anyway, it has just tuned in.

1666
01:20:32,853 --> 01:20:33,532
Speaker 2: It's going to be huge.

1667
01:20:33,572 --> 01:20:35,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no spoilers, but that is coming up in

1668
01:20:36,053 --> 01:20:39,612
Speaker 3: very very soon, but after three point thirty Tyler Gareth

1669
01:20:39,652 --> 01:20:43,173
Speaker 3: abdenaor He is an employment, workplace and information expert and

1670
01:20:43,213 --> 01:20:45,932
Speaker 3: director of abdenaor employment law is part of our ass

1671
01:20:46,053 --> 01:20:48,732
Speaker 3: the Expert series that we do every Wednesday at three

1672
01:20:48,772 --> 01:20:50,892
Speaker 3: point thirty, he will be joining us once again. He's

1673
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:53,652
Speaker 3: brilliant and he is here to answer all of your

1674
01:20:53,772 --> 01:20:57,012
Speaker 3: questions and niggles and issues and concerns at your place

1675
01:20:57,053 --> 01:20:58,692
Speaker 3: of work or if you're the boss, if you've got

1676
01:20:58,692 --> 01:21:01,213
Speaker 3: problems with your employees, he is the man to chat to.

1677
01:21:01,293 --> 01:21:03,412
Speaker 3: So get an early one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1678
01:21:03,612 --> 01:21:05,732
Speaker 3: or nine two nine to if you've preferred to text

1679
01:21:05,772 --> 01:21:09,612
Speaker 3: your question, but right now, yes. So, as we mentioned,

1680
01:21:09,652 --> 01:21:11,812
Speaker 3: a sad day in New Zealand, very very sad day

1681
01:21:11,853 --> 01:21:14,972
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, the Griffins Cookie Beer has been put

1682
01:21:15,053 --> 01:21:18,572
Speaker 3: out to pasture an absolute icon in New Zealand. Well,

1683
01:21:18,772 --> 01:21:23,213
Speaker 3: it turns out star of television radio Rock and Roll,

1684
01:21:23,492 --> 01:21:27,173
Speaker 3: a New Zealand icon himself, Mikey Havoc had a massive

1685
01:21:27,213 --> 01:21:30,093
Speaker 3: part to play in the story of Griffin's Cookie Beer,

1686
01:21:30,532 --> 01:21:35,893
Speaker 3: and he joins us on the line. Now, Mikey, good afternoon, after.

1687
01:21:35,612 --> 01:21:39,372
Speaker 11: Then Matt and Tyler and good afternoons with Mikey.

1688
01:21:39,532 --> 01:21:41,012
Speaker 2: When were you cookie Beer?

1689
01:21:42,652 --> 01:21:43,133
Speaker 19: Well, as you.

1690
01:21:43,173 --> 01:21:46,413
Speaker 11: Imagine Matt's this is a turn. It's quite a tremolous

1691
01:21:46,412 --> 01:21:49,492
Speaker 11: state for me. Last night, I turned into Martins show,

1692
01:21:49,532 --> 01:21:52,053
Speaker 11: I'm I'm by no means suggesting that you said, be

1693
01:21:52,093 --> 01:21:55,492
Speaker 11: a hard up a commun talk about this last night.

1694
01:21:55,572 --> 01:21:56,293
Speaker 3: He runs a good show.

1695
01:21:56,333 --> 01:21:59,093
Speaker 11: And I am, and I am and and so I

1696
01:21:59,173 --> 01:22:02,572
Speaker 11: called and I revealed a secret and I held on

1697
01:22:02,652 --> 01:22:06,372
Speaker 11: to for so many many years, And unfortunately I feel

1698
01:22:06,612 --> 01:22:08,892
Speaker 11: it's a very catartic. I feel a bitter because of it.

1699
01:22:09,133 --> 01:22:11,973
Speaker 11: But but yes, many many years ago. We'll just I

1700
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:14,612
Speaker 11: kind of find this weird that that Griffins and have

1701
01:22:14,652 --> 01:22:18,092
Speaker 11: announced us now because it's sort of been first for ages,

1702
01:22:18,133 --> 01:22:20,972
Speaker 11: isn't it. But but I was I was the last voice.

1703
01:22:20,812 --> 01:22:24,492
Speaker 2: Of Cookie Bear Wow. And look, we always try to man.

1704
01:22:24,973 --> 01:22:26,853
Speaker 11: I wasn't in any suit, but I was a voice.

1705
01:22:26,612 --> 01:22:29,812
Speaker 2: As a voice Mentile afternoons always tries to run twenty

1706
01:22:29,812 --> 01:22:33,093
Speaker 2: four hours behind Marcus Slash. We're happy with that.

1707
01:22:33,412 --> 01:22:34,372
Speaker 3: He's hard to keep up with.

1708
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:38,412
Speaker 2: You've got to give us the dump your dumpty doo, mikey.

1709
01:22:39,732 --> 01:22:41,772
Speaker 11: Ok, Well, why didn't I tell you the story that

1710
01:22:41,812 --> 01:22:47,532
Speaker 11: I told I told on there again? Well, I mean,

1711
01:22:48,213 --> 01:22:49,772
Speaker 11: I mean it was quite a big contract, you know,

1712
01:22:49,812 --> 01:22:52,532
Speaker 11: and I as you as you as you alluded to

1713
01:22:52,612 --> 01:22:54,732
Speaker 11: earlier on Matt, I do have to sign an NDA

1714
01:22:54,853 --> 01:22:59,492
Speaker 11: to say that I wasn't a guy. So I guess,

1715
01:22:59,652 --> 01:23:02,492
Speaker 11: I guess maybe perhaps I've maybe got a reputation for

1716
01:23:02,612 --> 01:23:05,452
Speaker 11: being rascals and they didn't want that to rub up

1717
01:23:05,532 --> 01:23:10,572
Speaker 11: on Cookie Bear character. That's something terrible happened. We'll just

1718
01:23:10,893 --> 01:23:12,572
Speaker 11: I mean a little bit insulting, but a little bit

1719
01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:15,892
Speaker 11: sort of funny as well. So I went for the job,

1720
01:23:15,933 --> 01:23:17,612
Speaker 11: the job and the job, and this is a contract.

1721
01:23:17,612 --> 01:23:19,532
Speaker 11: It wasn't just a one off voice job, Matt. This

1722
01:23:19,692 --> 01:23:23,532
Speaker 11: is a contract, Tyler, what's a contract? And we and

1723
01:23:23,652 --> 01:23:26,133
Speaker 11: so I'm going in the studio with like and the

1724
01:23:26,213 --> 01:23:29,093
Speaker 11: voice studio was just in there by myself and then

1725
01:23:29,173 --> 01:23:32,452
Speaker 11: the and the engineer. When the engineers from and the

1726
01:23:32,532 --> 01:23:35,492
Speaker 11: voice studio, there's like about eight people. There's the engineer

1727
01:23:35,532 --> 01:23:38,333
Speaker 11: and people from the company, people from the ad agencies.

1728
01:23:38,452 --> 01:23:40,532
Speaker 11: It was quite a big deal and I was really

1729
01:23:40,572 --> 01:23:44,612
Speaker 11: hoping to get the gig. So I go in there

1730
01:23:44,652 --> 01:23:46,213
Speaker 11: and they give me the script that I go and

1731
01:23:46,213 --> 01:23:48,093
Speaker 11: somehow I'm there. I'd say, off you go, Mic, and

1732
01:23:48,093 --> 01:24:01,093
Speaker 11: I'm like, were And then I wait and no, no, no, Harley.

1733
01:24:00,812 --> 01:24:01,452
Speaker 12: You've dropped the gun.

1734
01:24:01,772 --> 01:24:04,333
Speaker 11: Then I wait because for a good couple of minutes,

1735
01:24:04,412 --> 01:24:06,973
Speaker 11: which was an eternity trying to figure out whether I

1736
01:24:07,013 --> 01:24:08,973
Speaker 11: had this job. I said, think I'm not going to

1737
01:24:09,053 --> 01:24:11,532
Speaker 11: get this, and they don't like it. I'm trying to

1738
01:24:11,532 --> 01:24:13,732
Speaker 11: forget what I did wrong. And then they got there

1739
01:24:13,893 --> 01:24:17,253
Speaker 11: here and they go through the intercom and they go, Mikey,

1740
01:24:17,293 --> 01:24:18,053
Speaker 11: can you hear it from that.

1741
01:24:20,612 --> 01:24:23,692
Speaker 3: News talks it'd be so sorry. We've got rumlins in

1742
01:24:23,732 --> 01:24:25,972
Speaker 3: the system. We're in the middle of a fascinating chair

1743
01:24:26,053 --> 01:24:26,213
Speaker 3: in the.

1744
01:24:26,213 --> 01:24:29,492
Speaker 2: Middle of the gripping story from Mikey, have it? An

1745
01:24:29,652 --> 01:24:33,612
Speaker 2: unprofessional situation happened with the ads just got slammed. So

1746
01:24:34,053 --> 01:24:37,972
Speaker 2: Mikey have it. Welcome back to Welcome back to Welcome

1747
01:24:38,013 --> 01:24:38,572
Speaker 2: back to the show.

1748
01:24:38,652 --> 01:24:40,692
Speaker 11: You know, you know right, you know my radio my

1749
01:24:40,853 --> 01:24:44,133
Speaker 11: radio persona that you know, it would be very retrofust

1750
01:24:44,173 --> 01:24:45,493
Speaker 11: to complained about being interruptors.

1751
01:24:48,013 --> 01:24:49,892
Speaker 2: So when we left you, when we left you, Michael,

1752
01:24:50,612 --> 01:24:54,213
Speaker 2: when we left you, you were you were auditioning for

1753
01:24:54,293 --> 01:24:57,772
Speaker 2: the cookie beer job. You delivered your your dump doo dooo,

1754
01:24:58,412 --> 01:25:00,412
Speaker 2: and then there'd been a huge way.

1755
01:25:02,213 --> 01:25:05,013
Speaker 11: And what's what's the next experience That taught me that

1756
01:25:05,173 --> 01:25:07,093
Speaker 11: the usually that's not a good thing. But then I

1757
01:25:07,133 --> 01:25:09,492
Speaker 11: hear that the intercom comes and go, you can hear

1758
01:25:09,532 --> 01:25:13,253
Speaker 11: me in there, yep, And so they go, do you

1759
01:25:13,293 --> 01:25:21,852
Speaker 11: think the dumpy do sounds a big game? He's a

1760
01:25:22,213 --> 01:25:24,333
Speaker 11: he's a cartoon. He's a cartoon beer that lives in

1761
01:25:24,412 --> 01:25:29,852
Speaker 11: lowly Land. Right, So, and so I got I got

1762
01:25:29,933 --> 01:25:30,492
Speaker 11: the gig, But I.

1763
01:25:39,492 --> 01:25:41,933
Speaker 2: Well, where did the dumpty doo come from? Who was

1764
01:25:41,973 --> 01:25:42,852
Speaker 2: the first dumpty do?

1765
01:25:43,013 --> 01:25:43,492
Speaker 4: And what is it?

1766
01:25:44,093 --> 01:25:46,253
Speaker 2: What does a dumpty do? That's a very strange thing.

1767
01:25:47,412 --> 01:25:48,852
Speaker 11: Who was the first person to dumpty do it?

1768
01:25:48,933 --> 01:25:49,093
Speaker 22: Does that?

1769
01:25:49,213 --> 01:25:49,612
Speaker 11: You're asking?

1770
01:25:49,933 --> 01:25:50,133
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1771
01:25:50,173 --> 01:25:53,572
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean why does a beer suddenly go

1772
01:25:53,652 --> 01:25:56,412
Speaker 2: dumpty doo? It's an odd thing for a beer to say,

1773
01:25:56,772 --> 01:25:59,293
Speaker 2: but it makes perfect sense because we're doing the day.

1774
01:25:59,732 --> 01:26:01,933
Speaker 11: These kids are different bags than that because they were

1775
01:26:02,013 --> 01:26:04,532
Speaker 11: to imagination, they were a lot roadblocks. And Andrew Tayden

1776
01:26:04,572 --> 01:26:05,012
Speaker 11: big boy.

1777
01:26:05,532 --> 01:26:09,492
Speaker 14: Now memory.

1778
01:26:09,612 --> 01:26:11,412
Speaker 11: We're talking last night about how you seeing a card

1779
01:26:11,532 --> 01:26:12,892
Speaker 11: from Cookie Beer on your birthday?

1780
01:26:13,452 --> 01:26:13,652
Speaker 23: Yeah?

1781
01:26:14,812 --> 01:26:20,772
Speaker 2: Sure, Now, Mikey, cookie Beer isn't the only iconic role

1782
01:26:20,893 --> 01:26:24,173
Speaker 2: that you played in terms of New Zealand products. Is

1783
01:26:24,253 --> 01:26:26,333
Speaker 2: it true that you were part of the Popsicle.

1784
01:26:25,973 --> 01:26:29,812
Speaker 11: Band, No no, I sung the I sung the theme

1785
01:26:29,893 --> 01:26:34,452
Speaker 11: to the popscall when they doesn't do yourself for flavor,

1786
01:26:34,772 --> 01:26:37,692
Speaker 11: I have some fun fever the beat for the pub

1787
01:26:37,732 --> 01:26:38,133
Speaker 11: School three.

1788
01:26:39,013 --> 01:26:39,612
Speaker 3: You still got it?

1789
01:26:39,732 --> 01:26:43,772
Speaker 2: So that doesn't think that doesn't that doesn't count as

1790
01:26:43,812 --> 01:26:48,412
Speaker 2: being part of the popsicle band. You just sing I was,

1791
01:26:48,812 --> 01:26:50,372
Speaker 2: I don't had a number one, I might have a

1792
01:26:50,452 --> 01:26:50,692
Speaker 2: numb one.

1793
01:26:53,492 --> 01:26:54,852
Speaker 11: I've never said a final possible band.

1794
01:26:55,093 --> 01:26:57,253
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much for talking to us.

1795
01:26:57,293 --> 01:27:00,372
Speaker 2: Sorry for blasting ads in your face mid mid story,

1796
01:27:00,412 --> 01:27:03,852
Speaker 2: but it's a great story. And congratulations on being the

1797
01:27:04,893 --> 01:27:07,293
Speaker 2: the the cookie Beer because that that did a lot

1798
01:27:07,372 --> 01:27:09,652
Speaker 2: for It was very poured into a lot of New Zealanders.

1799
01:27:10,372 --> 01:27:12,412
Speaker 11: I think it's said that the same though you mean

1800
01:27:13,173 --> 01:27:14,892
Speaker 11: this is mender. They have no faith and there's ever

1801
01:27:14,973 --> 01:27:15,852
Speaker 11: been a thing anymore.

1802
01:27:16,093 --> 01:27:17,532
Speaker 12: Suppose well, you.

1803
01:27:17,572 --> 01:27:19,532
Speaker 2: Know, if they if they want your back of you,

1804
01:27:19,933 --> 01:27:22,492
Speaker 2: you up up for it. If this publicity around.

1805
01:27:23,973 --> 01:27:24,293
Speaker 14: There we go.

1806
01:27:29,053 --> 01:27:32,852
Speaker 3: Mikey Evic, thank you very much, a great story. I

1807
01:27:32,893 --> 01:27:35,133
Speaker 3: went one hundred eighty ten eighty is and number to call.

1808
01:27:35,293 --> 01:27:39,892
Speaker 3: So because Griffin's Cookie Beer clearly was the ultimate New

1809
01:27:39,973 --> 01:27:42,013
Speaker 3: Zealand icon, we want to hear from you about other

1810
01:27:42,133 --> 01:27:44,892
Speaker 3: New Zealand icons as well. I mean, the Cookie Bear

1811
01:27:44,973 --> 01:27:47,692
Speaker 3: is certainly up there. And just reading this article blows

1812
01:27:47,772 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 3: my mind that the Cookie Bears club membership right, and

1813
01:27:51,452 --> 01:27:53,652
Speaker 3: that was a big thing, grew to one hundred and

1814
01:27:53,692 --> 01:27:56,972
Speaker 3: sixty two thousand. That was nearly one in four Kiwi

1815
01:27:57,133 --> 01:27:59,133
Speaker 3: children under the age of twelve at the time.

1816
01:28:00,133 --> 01:28:03,093
Speaker 2: Is there anything more iconic than the Cookie Bear? Is

1817
01:28:03,173 --> 01:28:08,253
Speaker 2: the punishing orange electric I mean election guy more iconic?

1818
01:28:08,772 --> 01:28:08,972
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1819
01:28:09,173 --> 01:28:10,812
Speaker 3: The giraffe on the longest drinking town?

1820
01:28:11,572 --> 01:28:13,333
Speaker 2: Is that in New Zealand? Only thing that draft?

1821
01:28:13,692 --> 01:28:14,412
Speaker 3: I'm sure it is.

1822
01:28:14,732 --> 01:28:17,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's what one hundred eighty ten eighty nine

1823
01:28:17,732 --> 01:28:21,572
Speaker 2: two nine two. Is cookie Beer the most iconic New

1824
01:28:21,692 --> 01:28:23,652
Speaker 2: Zealand brand mascot?

1825
01:28:23,973 --> 01:28:26,812
Speaker 3: You'd love to hear from you? It is eighteen past three.

1826
01:28:31,053 --> 01:28:34,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

1827
01:28:34,812 --> 01:28:37,773
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB Good afternoon.

1828
01:28:37,853 --> 01:28:40,293
Speaker 3: So, on the back of the Griffin's Cookie Beer being

1829
01:28:40,333 --> 01:28:42,372
Speaker 3: put out to pasture, we've asked the question, what is

1830
01:28:42,492 --> 01:28:45,892
Speaker 3: the greatest New Zealand promotional icon of all time? There's

1831
01:28:45,893 --> 01:28:47,372
Speaker 3: some great sedestions coming through.

1832
01:28:47,612 --> 01:28:50,372
Speaker 2: Frosty Boy, Frosty boy, the tricks, he brings a pack

1833
01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:52,092
Speaker 2: with joy. I think that's how it goes. Someone suggestion

1834
01:28:52,213 --> 01:28:53,612
Speaker 2: that the good Night Kiwi's got to be in the

1835
01:28:53,692 --> 01:28:55,412
Speaker 2: max absolutely huge.

1836
01:28:55,812 --> 01:28:57,772
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear your

1837
01:28:57,772 --> 01:29:00,293
Speaker 3: thoughts get a clear Gooday.

1838
01:29:01,173 --> 01:29:04,732
Speaker 24: So I'm wondering about the trade Meet Kiwi. I feel

1839
01:29:04,772 --> 01:29:05,813
Speaker 24: like that's pretty.

1840
01:29:05,732 --> 01:29:07,133
Speaker 3: Iconic, certainly up there.

1841
01:29:07,532 --> 01:29:10,652
Speaker 24: Yeah, and maybe the four Square guy.

1842
01:29:11,053 --> 01:29:12,133
Speaker 23: I don't know what you call him.

1843
01:29:12,333 --> 01:29:13,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, as the four Square guy, I got a name,

1844
01:29:14,253 --> 01:29:15,253
Speaker 3: let's find out.

1845
01:29:15,333 --> 01:29:16,132
Speaker 2: I love the four.

1846
01:29:16,013 --> 01:29:19,213
Speaker 24: Square guys, but the four Square guy, it's pretty cool.

1847
01:29:19,772 --> 01:29:21,333
Speaker 3: Did he ever have a voice? Was there anyone that

1848
01:29:21,492 --> 01:29:23,572
Speaker 3: voiced the four Square Guy? Or he was just like

1849
01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:29,572
Speaker 3: this cartoon character that popped up? I showing my aid, Yeah, sorry.

1850
01:29:29,372 --> 01:29:33,732
Speaker 11: You go, I'm showing a But I think he did speak.

1851
01:29:34,013 --> 01:29:36,532
Speaker 24: I think that there was like a little catchphrase that

1852
01:29:36,612 --> 01:29:38,293
Speaker 24: he used to say, and then he'd lean against the

1853
01:29:38,412 --> 01:29:39,852
Speaker 24: fourth Square and.

1854
01:29:40,053 --> 01:29:40,852
Speaker 17: Fold his arms.

1855
01:29:41,412 --> 01:29:43,772
Speaker 24: Yes, but maybe I'm remembering role.

1856
01:29:44,173 --> 01:29:46,852
Speaker 2: Does the Trade Me Kiwi ever make any noise or

1857
01:29:46,893 --> 01:29:49,093
Speaker 2: appear anywhere as a mascot? Or is it just you

1858
01:29:49,213 --> 01:29:50,612
Speaker 2: only see it as the little picture at the top

1859
01:29:50,652 --> 01:29:51,412
Speaker 2: of the Trade Me site?

1860
01:29:53,053 --> 01:29:54,053
Speaker 24: I think you only see that.

1861
01:29:54,053 --> 01:29:55,732
Speaker 9: At the top of the picture at the trade be signed,

1862
01:29:55,732 --> 01:29:57,732
Speaker 9: but they do animated like you have seen.

1863
01:29:57,652 --> 01:30:01,093
Speaker 2: Him, like you know, yeah walking, but he doesn't say

1864
01:30:02,492 --> 01:30:05,293
Speaker 2: have ever seen Has anyone seen the trade Me Kiwi

1865
01:30:05,492 --> 01:30:07,293
Speaker 2: and the good Night Kiwi in the same room at

1866
01:30:07,293 --> 01:30:09,173
Speaker 2: the same time? Are they different? Are they different?

1867
01:30:09,253 --> 01:30:16,333
Speaker 3: Keywis suspicious? Now clear? I've found out the four Square

1868
01:30:16,532 --> 01:30:20,293
Speaker 3: Guy actually does have a name. I'll give you the

1869
01:30:20,372 --> 01:30:23,933
Speaker 3: last part, so it's as last part as Charlie, but

1870
01:30:23,973 --> 01:30:28,173
Speaker 3: there's a part in front of that. Any guesses. Oh,

1871
01:30:29,812 --> 01:30:36,412
Speaker 3: it's an alliteration. Charlie pretty close. Cheeky Charlie apparently is

1872
01:30:36,452 --> 01:30:39,013
Speaker 3: his name is Cheeky Charlie the four Square Guy.

1873
01:30:39,173 --> 01:30:39,372
Speaker 2: Wow.

1874
01:30:39,652 --> 01:30:41,012
Speaker 3: Created in the nineteen fifties.

1875
01:30:41,053 --> 01:30:41,452
Speaker 2: So there you go.

1876
01:30:42,732 --> 01:30:43,852
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, there you go.

1877
01:30:44,013 --> 01:30:47,333
Speaker 2: There's my pack, my love think if you call clear

1878
01:30:48,173 --> 01:30:52,253
Speaker 2: the Polar the Polar Pop Beer Bawl a pop bowler

1879
01:30:52,772 --> 01:30:56,612
Speaker 2: on the Polar Pop. I live in the Ball's Ball

1880
01:30:56,652 --> 01:30:58,372
Speaker 2: a pop ball ap there's a punishing radio.

1881
01:30:59,532 --> 01:31:02,772
Speaker 3: Great yeah, great memory for jingles. Yeah, the Milky bar

1882
01:31:02,893 --> 01:31:05,492
Speaker 3: Kad was that New Zealand only, but that was huge.

1883
01:31:06,812 --> 01:31:09,293
Speaker 2: Cheers and Dale they were you can't you don't go

1884
01:31:09,333 --> 01:31:10,173
Speaker 2: past cheers and Dale.

1885
01:31:10,692 --> 01:31:12,293
Speaker 3: Now we're going to try and find that jingle. That

1886
01:31:12,452 --> 01:31:14,612
Speaker 3: is a great jingle to play. One hundred and eighty

1887
01:31:14,732 --> 01:31:17,933
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call Maria. How are you?

1888
01:31:22,893 --> 01:31:24,892
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, we just lost to there, Maria. Yeah, got

1889
01:31:24,973 --> 01:31:26,173
Speaker 3: you now? How are you sorry?

1890
01:31:26,412 --> 01:31:28,812
Speaker 24: I'm on this I'm on the Southern Motorway. That's probably

1891
01:31:28,853 --> 01:31:31,612
Speaker 24: why I just ringing out with a fun fat Way

1892
01:31:31,772 --> 01:31:33,532
Speaker 24: back in the day, when I was a sales rep

1893
01:31:33,612 --> 01:31:36,412
Speaker 24: in Runnington, I worked for Griffin's Eater At the time,

1894
01:31:36,933 --> 01:31:38,732
Speaker 24: I used to have to dress up as a cookie

1895
01:31:38,772 --> 01:31:40,492
Speaker 24: bear to do promotions in store.

1896
01:31:40,973 --> 01:31:42,892
Speaker 2: Did you did you have a good dumpty doo?

1897
01:31:44,652 --> 01:31:45,492
Speaker 24: I didn't have to do that.

1898
01:31:46,812 --> 01:31:47,692
Speaker 3: It's a lot of pressure.

1899
01:31:47,772 --> 01:31:50,172
Speaker 24: Pretty it was pretty smelly.

1900
01:31:54,333 --> 01:31:56,852
Speaker 2: If I saw the cookie beer, i'd want to hear

1901
01:31:56,893 --> 01:31:57,492
Speaker 2: the dumpy doo.

1902
01:31:59,293 --> 01:31:59,652
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.

1903
01:31:59,692 --> 01:32:02,093
Speaker 24: I would have probably sounded a bit lame coming out

1904
01:32:02,133 --> 01:32:05,812
Speaker 24: of a woman, a deep, deep voice, and but I

1905
01:32:05,933 --> 01:32:08,053
Speaker 24: was just pretty smelly. You really didn't want to get that.

1906
01:32:08,933 --> 01:32:10,052
Speaker 3: Was there only one costume?

1907
01:32:10,213 --> 01:32:10,492
Speaker 12: Was there?

1908
01:32:10,652 --> 01:32:12,012
Speaker 3: That was the costume for the whole company?

1909
01:32:13,293 --> 01:32:13,333
Speaker 7: No?

1910
01:32:13,452 --> 01:32:15,093
Speaker 24: No, I think there was one out here out in

1911
01:32:15,133 --> 01:32:17,492
Speaker 24: North Island, Lower North Island and South Island, but you

1912
01:32:17,612 --> 01:32:19,173
Speaker 24: certainly didn't want to draw that store.

1913
01:32:20,933 --> 01:32:21,412
Speaker 17: I reckon.

1914
01:32:22,093 --> 01:32:24,652
Speaker 24: Another good icon't know was good night Kiwi.

1915
01:32:24,812 --> 01:32:26,732
Speaker 2: Oh yea absolutely we're hearing a lot from that. I

1916
01:32:26,812 --> 01:32:28,452
Speaker 2: mean the good night kry Key used to make me

1917
01:32:28,532 --> 01:32:30,852
Speaker 2: so unhappy when I was a kid, though, because TV

1918
01:32:31,053 --> 01:32:33,093
Speaker 2: was over and then it would have that ad with

1919
01:32:33,213 --> 01:32:36,133
Speaker 2: the snowball, you know when when the problem with the

1920
01:32:36,933 --> 01:32:38,972
Speaker 2: thing with problems is that they get bigger and bigger,

1921
01:32:38,973 --> 01:32:40,972
Speaker 2: and then the snowball would roll down the hill. Yeah,

1922
01:32:40,973 --> 01:32:42,612
Speaker 2: I'd go into a deep depression before I went to

1923
01:32:42,652 --> 01:32:43,173
Speaker 2: bed every night.

1924
01:32:43,213 --> 01:32:45,093
Speaker 3: From those two things, I just thought, like you, I

1925
01:32:45,133 --> 01:32:46,772
Speaker 3: thought he was a bit of a nark that I

1926
01:32:46,973 --> 01:32:48,972
Speaker 3: was hoping my parents wouldn't see the good night Kiwi

1927
01:32:49,053 --> 01:32:51,213
Speaker 3: so I could stay up and just going shut up Kiwi.

1928
01:32:52,853 --> 01:32:55,333
Speaker 2: Think if you call Maria appreciate it.

1929
01:32:55,853 --> 01:32:59,892
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. The Briscoes Lady, the.

1930
01:32:59,933 --> 01:33:02,852
Speaker 2: Briscos lady, Tammy Wells, I believe your name is where

1931
01:33:02,893 --> 01:33:04,452
Speaker 2: she's been doing that for a very long time. I

1932
01:33:04,492 --> 01:33:05,972
Speaker 2: don't know if Michael Hill has a lot of people

1933
01:33:05,973 --> 01:33:07,452
Speaker 2: suggesting Michael Hi. I don't know if he was a

1934
01:33:07,532 --> 01:33:10,213
Speaker 2: mascot or just a human being that owned. Michael hill Gillis,

1935
01:33:10,532 --> 01:33:11,692
Speaker 2: Michael help Gillen.

1936
01:33:12,133 --> 01:33:15,213
Speaker 3: He was great in those TVs though used to have tooth,

1937
01:33:15,973 --> 01:33:17,452
Speaker 3: wasn't it the way that he gave the grin and

1938
01:33:17,492 --> 01:33:17,732
Speaker 3: one of.

1939
01:33:17,732 --> 01:33:21,492
Speaker 2: His teeth sparkled Michael hell Guller very good.

1940
01:33:22,973 --> 01:33:25,972
Speaker 3: Eighty is the number to call? What is the greatest

1941
01:33:26,053 --> 01:33:28,933
Speaker 3: New Zealand icon of all time? On the back of

1942
01:33:29,013 --> 01:33:33,213
Speaker 3: Griffin's Cookie Beer being retired, Bob, how you doing?

1943
01:33:33,692 --> 01:33:33,892
Speaker 13: Hello?

1944
01:33:34,652 --> 01:33:35,053
Speaker 11: Is that me?

1945
01:33:35,612 --> 01:33:35,852
Speaker 5: Yes?

1946
01:33:37,093 --> 01:33:37,532
Speaker 17: Oh it is?

1947
01:33:38,732 --> 01:33:40,812
Speaker 14: Hey the goods, it's the toy world.

1948
01:33:40,933 --> 01:33:47,012
Speaker 17: There is the world bere I actually sung there, wrote

1949
01:33:47,612 --> 01:33:51,013
Speaker 17: the original for that. I was advertising, Oh yeah, I did.

1950
01:33:51,133 --> 01:33:53,932
Speaker 17: And I played on the good night Kiwi scene the original.

1951
01:33:54,333 --> 01:33:55,692
Speaker 17: Did you in the studio? Then?

1952
01:33:56,013 --> 01:33:56,213
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1953
01:33:56,572 --> 01:33:56,812
Speaker 23: Wow?

1954
01:33:56,893 --> 01:33:58,692
Speaker 2: Where was that? Where was that recorded? So that's not

1955
01:33:58,772 --> 01:34:01,052
Speaker 2: a piece of library Music's an incredible piece of music.

1956
01:34:01,213 --> 01:34:06,652
Speaker 17: No Mascot studios, Wow and Auckland years ago. Yeah, I

1957
01:34:06,772 --> 01:34:09,412
Speaker 17: used to manage the studio with them, And what did

1958
01:34:09,452 --> 01:34:12,852
Speaker 17: you play in it? I just played the bass on that,

1959
01:34:13,053 --> 01:34:15,812
Speaker 17: you know, it's very simple, and I managed to get

1960
01:34:15,812 --> 01:34:18,253
Speaker 17: a total of six dollars sessioncy for that. It was

1961
01:34:18,333 --> 01:34:22,213
Speaker 17: great and it was great right intoerpetuity. So that that's

1962
01:34:22,253 --> 01:34:23,692
Speaker 17: the only rule to we ever got.

1963
01:34:26,333 --> 01:34:27,213
Speaker 12: And how did you?

1964
01:34:27,412 --> 01:34:27,612
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1965
01:34:27,652 --> 01:34:30,973
Speaker 3: So the voice of Toby the Toy World. Be it

1966
01:34:31,093 --> 01:34:32,133
Speaker 3: Toby was his name, wasn't it?

1967
01:34:33,333 --> 01:34:33,372
Speaker 11: No?

1968
01:34:33,652 --> 01:34:37,893
Speaker 17: I know, I don't know what. I don't know what

1969
01:34:38,013 --> 01:34:38,532
Speaker 17: the name was.

1970
01:34:40,812 --> 01:34:40,892
Speaker 13: Now.

1971
01:34:40,933 --> 01:34:42,732
Speaker 3: We're just playing a little bit of that, now, Bob,

1972
01:34:42,812 --> 01:34:46,532
Speaker 3: that would that's going to bring back some memories for you.

1973
01:34:48,812 --> 01:34:52,452
Speaker 2: Great base work, Bob, there was you on the base

1974
01:34:52,572 --> 01:34:52,772
Speaker 2: of that.

1975
01:34:54,293 --> 01:34:54,452
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1976
01:34:54,492 --> 01:34:58,333
Speaker 17: I was a session based for the New Zealand. Many

1977
01:34:58,452 --> 01:35:02,612
Speaker 17: records and many jingles and blah blah blah. The other

1978
01:35:02,692 --> 01:35:04,572
Speaker 17: one I did was a Milky Back Kid. I did

1979
01:35:04,612 --> 01:35:08,572
Speaker 17: a revised version of the English version. They were wanted

1980
01:35:08,612 --> 01:35:09,612
Speaker 17: to update it to.

1981
01:35:11,093 --> 01:35:11,532
Speaker 11: My son.

1982
01:35:11,732 --> 01:35:14,053
Speaker 17: Ended up being It's some lookie back.

1983
01:35:16,772 --> 01:35:19,732
Speaker 2: Did you know what was her name? Mary Grinley? Murray Grinley?

1984
01:35:19,893 --> 01:35:21,092
Speaker 2: Did you marry?

1985
01:35:21,133 --> 01:35:23,852
Speaker 17: Grinley did very well and I did a lot of

1986
01:35:28,133 --> 01:35:33,972
Speaker 17: him and Bruce Lynch, and we're the main writers. There's

1987
01:35:34,013 --> 01:35:37,133
Speaker 17: only about five jingle writers in Auckland in those days,

1988
01:35:38,093 --> 01:35:40,932
Speaker 17: and we did a hell of a lot of work.

1989
01:35:42,173 --> 01:35:45,452
Speaker 17: But then when technology changed and you know, you guys

1990
01:35:45,532 --> 01:35:48,852
Speaker 17: started making them yourself at the radio station like that.

1991
01:35:49,372 --> 01:35:49,612
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1992
01:35:51,532 --> 01:35:56,173
Speaker 17: But now I've I've done so many you'd recognize. You know,

1993
01:35:56,492 --> 01:35:59,452
Speaker 17: he's one of my favorites. I won't sing the whole thing.

1994
01:36:00,213 --> 01:36:01,893
Speaker 17: I'll sing a bit of it. Where did you go

1995
01:36:02,053 --> 01:36:04,253
Speaker 17: to get go and causey go and get stuff? There's

1996
01:36:04,293 --> 01:36:06,133
Speaker 17: the fence and the roof, Bern is going to be

1997
01:36:07,612 --> 01:36:08,892
Speaker 17: get out in the stone.

1998
01:36:09,333 --> 01:36:09,692
Speaker 4: Help you.

1999
01:36:11,652 --> 01:36:12,333
Speaker 5: When that worked?

2000
01:36:12,412 --> 01:36:14,412
Speaker 17: To do them stone for you?

2001
01:36:15,293 --> 01:36:15,772
Speaker 3: That's good?

2002
01:36:15,973 --> 01:36:20,612
Speaker 2: Were you involved in all with go for Gerard and

2003
01:36:20,692 --> 01:36:21,692
Speaker 2: your roof is looking good?

2004
01:36:23,173 --> 01:36:23,213
Speaker 7: No?

2005
01:36:23,572 --> 01:36:26,492
Speaker 17: The guy that did that that he recorded it at

2006
01:36:27,253 --> 01:36:31,572
Speaker 17: where I was managing the studio. No, yes, that was

2007
01:36:31,652 --> 01:36:37,372
Speaker 17: the guy out of that band, the Rumor. Wow, Shatee Smith.

2008
01:36:39,973 --> 01:36:41,052
Speaker 17: It's a funny business.

2009
01:36:41,572 --> 01:36:45,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic. So good to talk to you, Bob. I

2010
01:36:45,213 --> 01:36:47,692
Speaker 2: could talk to you for hours about all all that stuff.

2011
01:36:47,812 --> 01:36:49,173
Speaker 3: I mean did everything, Bob, didn't he?

2012
01:36:49,253 --> 01:36:51,732
Speaker 2: I mean playing the bass on the good Night Kiwi song.

2013
01:36:51,853 --> 01:36:52,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's huge.

2014
01:36:52,612 --> 01:36:54,133
Speaker 2: That is huge. That is huge.

2015
01:36:55,013 --> 01:36:57,932
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone can top that, to be honest, right,

2016
01:36:58,053 --> 01:37:00,852
Speaker 3: I think that is where we'll leave it because coming

2017
01:37:00,933 --> 01:37:04,652
Speaker 3: up very shortly. Gareth Abdenor He is an employment work

2018
01:37:04,692 --> 01:37:08,732
Speaker 3: place an information expert and director of Abdenall Employment Lord.

2019
01:37:08,812 --> 01:37:10,652
Speaker 3: He joins us once a month on our Ask the

2020
01:37:10,772 --> 01:37:14,772
Speaker 3: Expert series to answer all the burning questions you've got.

2021
01:37:14,893 --> 01:37:16,732
Speaker 3: If you've got a problem in your place of work,

2022
01:37:17,053 --> 01:37:19,533
Speaker 3: if you're a boss who's got some issues with your employees,

2023
01:37:19,612 --> 01:37:20,933
Speaker 3: he is the man to chat to.

2024
01:37:21,412 --> 01:37:23,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, one day we'll get back to that topic of

2025
01:37:23,532 --> 01:37:28,213
Speaker 2: New Zealand's greatest icon. Yeah and jingle because just so

2026
01:37:28,333 --> 01:37:30,492
Speaker 2: many texts coming through and so many calls coming through.

2027
01:37:30,532 --> 01:37:31,812
Speaker 2: But we've only got half an hour for it. But

2028
01:37:31,853 --> 01:37:33,852
Speaker 2: we'll do it again another day because I love it.

2029
01:37:33,973 --> 01:37:35,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to bring their best.

2030
01:37:35,253 --> 01:37:38,892
Speaker 2: Just about to start seeing the honeypuff song and meod

2031
01:37:39,053 --> 01:37:42,412
Speaker 2: me man the time here looking for the honey honey

2032
01:37:42,572 --> 01:37:44,652
Speaker 2: bee honey puffsy yars and you.

2033
01:37:44,652 --> 01:37:47,492
Speaker 3: Missed your calling. Yeah, yeah, right, coming up very shortly,

2034
01:37:47,572 --> 01:37:49,333
Speaker 3: Gareth Abden. Or get on the phones now because it's

2035
01:37:49,333 --> 01:37:52,093
Speaker 3: always very popular. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2036
01:37:52,293 --> 01:37:54,333
Speaker 3: is the number to call, nine two ninety two. If

2037
01:37:54,372 --> 01:37:56,692
Speaker 3: you want to send a text message, it is twenty

2038
01:37:56,772 --> 01:37:57,372
Speaker 3: nine past three.

2039
01:38:00,013 --> 01:38:01,612
Speaker 4: Jus talk Sibby Headlines.

2040
01:38:01,652 --> 01:38:04,293
Speaker 10: Wait, blue Bubble Taxis, it's no trouble with a blue

2041
01:38:04,333 --> 01:38:07,572
Speaker 10: Bubble Health. New Zealand is pulling together an action plan

2042
01:38:07,692 --> 01:38:11,412
Speaker 10: on recommends over an eleven year old being mistakenly admitted

2043
01:38:11,492 --> 01:38:15,732
Speaker 10: to a mental health facility and administered adult antipsychotic drugs.

2044
01:38:16,173 --> 01:38:20,892
Speaker 10: Speedy changes will include getting EDS to medically review unidentified patients.

2045
01:38:21,492 --> 01:38:24,732
Speaker 10: Wellington Police aren't seeking anyone else. Over two people found

2046
01:38:24,772 --> 01:38:27,692
Speaker 10: dead and roseneath on Monday and have referred the case

2047
01:38:27,732 --> 01:38:31,293
Speaker 10: to the coroner. Seventy jobs have been axed in sixteen

2048
01:38:31,692 --> 01:38:35,133
Speaker 10: stores closed as a body shop. New Zealand goes into liquidation.

2049
01:38:35,973 --> 01:38:38,732
Speaker 10: Auckland's Eden Park is presented to the government looking for

2050
01:38:38,853 --> 01:38:41,412
Speaker 10: funding for the first stage of its upgrade, which will

2051
01:38:41,412 --> 01:38:45,412
Speaker 10: cost one hundred and ten million dollars. A Democrat US

2052
01:38:45,492 --> 01:38:49,213
Speaker 10: senator is set of record delivering a marathon speech lasting

2053
01:38:49,253 --> 01:38:52,772
Speaker 10: more than twenty five hours as a protest against President

2054
01:38:52,853 --> 01:38:56,692
Speaker 10: Donald Trump's sweeping actions. Meanwhile, in New Zealand, a napier

2055
01:38:56,772 --> 01:39:00,133
Speaker 10: bn B owner is turning away American guests protesting the

2056
01:39:00,213 --> 01:39:04,773
Speaker 10: Trump administration's policies. Plus could Trump Tariff's been lower ocr

2057
01:39:05,253 --> 01:39:08,253
Speaker 10: Read this and more and from inside Economics it ends,

2058
01:39:08,333 --> 01:39:11,413
Speaker 10: said Harold Premium. Now back to Matt and Tayler.

2059
01:39:11,333 --> 01:39:13,932
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wendy, so he joins us once

2060
01:39:13,973 --> 01:39:16,253
Speaker 3: a month as part of our ask the Expert series

2061
01:39:16,333 --> 01:39:19,812
Speaker 3: to answer all your burning questions. Gareth Abdenoor. He's an employment,

2062
01:39:19,933 --> 01:39:23,812
Speaker 3: workplace and information expert and director of Abdena Employment Law.

2063
01:39:23,933 --> 01:39:25,652
Speaker 3: He's brilliant and he joins us.

2064
01:39:25,732 --> 01:39:28,893
Speaker 2: Once again, it's not Egbert the Expert, the very eggy blow. No,

2065
01:39:29,772 --> 01:39:33,533
Speaker 2: we've moved on from those icons of New Zealand advertising.

2066
01:39:33,692 --> 01:39:38,253
Speaker 3: Yeah almost, Gareth, I'm good, thank you. Well, just while

2067
01:39:38,253 --> 01:39:39,973
Speaker 3: we're on there, before we move on to employment, the

2068
01:39:40,013 --> 01:39:42,293
Speaker 3: greatest New Zealand icon in your eyes, Gareth.

2069
01:39:42,412 --> 01:39:44,452
Speaker 22: It's got to be the peanut butter.

2070
01:39:46,293 --> 01:39:48,013
Speaker 2: Good Ah, the put But.

2071
01:39:49,612 --> 01:39:50,973
Speaker 3: What a great jangle that was.

2072
01:39:51,213 --> 01:39:52,892
Speaker 2: We take the fritchest peanuts in the world and put

2073
01:39:52,933 --> 01:39:53,133
Speaker 2: them in.

2074
01:39:53,372 --> 01:39:53,532
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2075
01:39:57,133 --> 01:39:59,892
Speaker 2: So we'll start off with some Textwait hundred eighty ten eighty.

2076
01:39:59,933 --> 01:40:02,492
Speaker 2: If you've got a question around employment, lord, give us

2077
01:40:02,492 --> 01:40:04,532
Speaker 2: a ring right now. Hey, guys, I have a question

2078
01:40:04,692 --> 01:40:06,772
Speaker 2: for Gareth. I have a staff member who has taken

2079
01:40:06,893 --> 01:40:10,492
Speaker 2: sick leave to head to a foreign country for IVF treatment,

2080
01:40:10,812 --> 01:40:12,692
Speaker 2: will be gone for three months, and I'm just wondering

2081
01:40:12,772 --> 01:40:15,852
Speaker 2: what our legal standpoint is having to hold her job

2082
01:40:16,053 --> 01:40:20,333
Speaker 2: open on a medical certificate from another country. That's from Simon.

2083
01:40:20,933 --> 01:40:26,053
Speaker 22: Goodness man, that's that's definitely a strange one. Well, the

2084
01:40:26,532 --> 01:40:30,572
Speaker 22: Holidays Act provides for a certain amount of sick leave,

2085
01:40:30,692 --> 01:40:34,893
Speaker 22: and that's not three months. The maximum amount that you

2086
01:40:35,013 --> 01:40:42,213
Speaker 22: can have at any one time is twenty days. So yeah,

2087
01:40:42,692 --> 01:40:45,053
Speaker 22: I think this person is going to be exceeding their

2088
01:40:45,133 --> 01:40:49,853
Speaker 22: sick leave, and unless they've obtained an agreement from their employer,

2089
01:40:50,572 --> 01:40:52,532
Speaker 22: they're going to be on shaky ground as to whether

2090
01:40:52,572 --> 01:40:54,572
Speaker 22: there will be a job for them to come back to.

2091
01:40:55,492 --> 01:40:59,093
Speaker 2: Is IVF technically being sick? So if you get a

2092
01:41:00,213 --> 01:41:03,013
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm good on you for doing it,

2093
01:41:03,133 --> 01:41:05,213
Speaker 2: but that's something you've opted to do. It's not something

2094
01:41:05,293 --> 01:41:07,173
Speaker 2: that's befallen you, if you know what I'm saying.

2095
01:41:08,532 --> 01:41:12,092
Speaker 22: I think it's a gray area. I'm not sure that's

2096
01:41:12,652 --> 01:41:17,253
Speaker 22: what the sickle entitlement was designed for, although I'm sure

2097
01:41:17,293 --> 01:41:19,333
Speaker 22: you could make an argument to that effect. I think

2098
01:41:19,412 --> 01:41:21,492
Speaker 22: in this case it's more the length of time that

2099
01:41:21,572 --> 01:41:24,572
Speaker 22: the person's going to be away. That's clearly an issue

2100
01:41:24,812 --> 01:41:27,812
Speaker 22: and could certainly have a negative impact on the business.

2101
01:41:28,812 --> 01:41:31,213
Speaker 3: Very interesting artistics to see is him, Gareth, Is it

2102
01:41:31,293 --> 01:41:34,413
Speaker 3: okay for your employer to make comments around personal appearance

2103
01:41:34,572 --> 01:41:38,293
Speaker 3: to an employee such as you look drunk, or you

2104
01:41:38,452 --> 01:41:40,012
Speaker 3: smell or you look fanter?

2105
01:41:40,652 --> 01:41:41,372
Speaker 2: Are you drunk?

2106
01:41:41,853 --> 01:41:44,892
Speaker 22: Well, yeah, I guess the question is does this person

2107
01:41:45,013 --> 01:41:49,772
Speaker 22: look drunk and have they been drinking at work? It's

2108
01:41:49,772 --> 01:41:52,812
Speaker 22: a bit of a fine line. Certainly, if one of

2109
01:41:52,893 --> 01:41:56,293
Speaker 22: your workers appears to be intoxicated, I definitely think you

2110
01:41:56,372 --> 01:41:58,612
Speaker 22: can raise that with them, and in fact, under health

2111
01:41:58,652 --> 01:42:02,612
Speaker 22: and safety obligations, you're a bliged to raise that with them.

2112
01:42:04,372 --> 01:42:10,452
Speaker 22: Saying you look battered, well, that's maybe getting into awkward territory,

2113
01:42:11,013 --> 01:42:13,612
Speaker 22: and it really depends on the circumstances.

2114
01:42:14,692 --> 01:42:17,372
Speaker 3: What was the other one, Tyle, Well, it said you

2115
01:42:17,532 --> 01:42:23,092
Speaker 3: smell and quotation it's not today anyway. I mean around

2116
01:42:23,133 --> 01:42:26,173
Speaker 3: that personal appearance and if someone does have a bad

2117
01:42:26,253 --> 01:42:28,452
Speaker 3: body odor is that, I mean that must be a

2118
01:42:28,652 --> 01:42:33,412
Speaker 3: tricky path to navigate if you're an employer.

2119
01:42:33,133 --> 01:42:33,372
Speaker 1: It is.

2120
01:42:33,612 --> 01:42:36,253
Speaker 22: It's an incredibly difficult one, and in fact it's one

2121
01:42:36,333 --> 01:42:41,452
Speaker 22: that's actually come up reasonably often because employers want to

2122
01:42:41,532 --> 01:42:45,732
Speaker 22: deal with this in the most sensitive way possible, certainly

2123
01:42:45,772 --> 01:42:48,572
Speaker 22: all of the ones that I've spoken to. But how

2124
01:42:48,612 --> 01:42:51,973
Speaker 22: do you raise it with someone? It's incredibly awkward. But

2125
01:42:52,253 --> 01:42:55,612
Speaker 22: what do you do if someone's personal hygiene body odor

2126
01:42:55,853 --> 01:42:59,812
Speaker 22: is having an impact on their colleagues, on customers. It's

2127
01:42:59,893 --> 01:43:02,692
Speaker 22: something that you are entitled to raise, but you need

2128
01:43:02,772 --> 01:43:03,933
Speaker 22: to do so sensitively.

2129
01:43:04,893 --> 01:43:07,053
Speaker 2: It is an interesting one, isn't it from you know,

2130
01:43:07,333 --> 01:43:10,293
Speaker 2: slightly off topic. But if you do stink, don't you

2131
01:43:10,372 --> 01:43:12,093
Speaker 2: want someone to have a quiet word with you. I

2132
01:43:12,173 --> 01:43:14,213
Speaker 2: worked with a guy for a while who really stunk,

2133
01:43:14,772 --> 01:43:17,293
Speaker 2: and no one said anything. People just moved away from him,

2134
01:43:17,492 --> 01:43:20,093
Speaker 2: and then he felt really isolated and he eventually.

2135
01:43:19,812 --> 01:43:20,532
Speaker 4: Left the job.

2136
01:43:21,133 --> 01:43:23,452
Speaker 2: And I always wondered if because he was actually a

2137
01:43:23,452 --> 01:43:26,973
Speaker 2: really nice guy, but he just really really stunk, And

2138
01:43:27,093 --> 01:43:29,053
Speaker 2: if someone had just had a word to him, a

2139
01:43:29,133 --> 01:43:33,492
Speaker 2: manager or something, and said, look, mate, you stink, and people,

2140
01:43:33,812 --> 01:43:35,652
Speaker 2: I mean you'd say nicer than that, you wouldn't go

2141
01:43:35,732 --> 01:43:38,972
Speaker 2: you stink. You might go, hey, your odor is becoming

2142
01:43:39,013 --> 01:43:41,093
Speaker 2: a problem. Have you noticed that people are moving away

2143
01:43:41,133 --> 01:43:43,732
Speaker 2: from you? But he just ended up thinking everyone hated

2144
01:43:43,772 --> 01:43:46,293
Speaker 2: him and they left. So there you go.

2145
01:43:46,492 --> 01:43:49,333
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's certainly not ideal, was I think. I think

2146
01:43:49,372 --> 01:43:55,013
Speaker 22: people are terrified of having these difficult conversations. Back in

2147
01:43:55,093 --> 01:43:58,452
Speaker 22: the day, I think maybe we were a bit more robust.

2148
01:43:59,093 --> 01:44:03,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously someone walks in you don't want.

2149
01:44:02,893 --> 01:44:06,052
Speaker 3: To get Oh you stink, you know, but be subtle

2150
01:44:06,053 --> 01:44:06,333
Speaker 3: about it.

2151
01:44:06,412 --> 01:44:09,293
Speaker 2: But taking someone aside you might actually be be helping them.

2152
01:44:09,333 --> 01:44:09,532
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2153
01:44:09,572 --> 01:44:12,052
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's not the New Zealand way unfortunately.

2154
01:44:12,213 --> 01:44:14,572
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call if you've got a question for Gareth. Now is

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Speaker 3: your opportunity. It's always a very popular segment, so get

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Speaker 3: in now and if you want to stay anonymous on phone,

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Speaker 3: we can certainly do that. But oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

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Speaker 3: twenty two to four.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matten Tyler Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be good afternoon, and we are joined once again

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Speaker 3: by Gareth Abdenor, an employment, workplace and information expert and

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Speaker 3: director of Abdenall Employment Law. He's taking your questions on

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Speaker 3: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 21: Phil Your question for Gareth, Hi, Gareth, Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 21: calling about the sick leave kind of similar to the

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Speaker 21: question before, and if the employer is the maybe cause

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Speaker 21: of becoming sick, how does that factor.

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Speaker 17: Him If the time is longer than the allowed.

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01:45:11,572 --> 01:45:13,452
Speaker 4: Sick leave that the employee has.

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Speaker 2: What did he cough on you?

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Speaker 4: Possibly?

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Speaker 22: Okay, okay, Yeah, that's a great question for It really

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Speaker 22: comes down to the circumstances of the particular case. If

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Speaker 22: it's a workplace injury that might be relevant in these

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Speaker 22: days or in the COVID days when people were picking

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Speaker 22: up COVID from people, that may be relevant. But it's

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Speaker 22: unlikely that you're going to need three months or for

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Speaker 22: getting COVID, So it really depends.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 22: You would have to prove that the illness or sickness

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Speaker 22: or reason that you need to be away is as

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Speaker 22: a result of the workplace. Often people argue this, but

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Speaker 22: then you know, you raise a personal grievance. So I

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01:46:07,372 --> 01:46:09,692
Speaker 22: don't think that's simply going to allow you to be

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Speaker 22: away for an extended period of time.

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Speaker 17: Right, So, like if there's a doctor's note or an

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Speaker 17: incident reports that show that's the case.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, a lot of people get doctors notes that simply

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Speaker 22: repeat what the patient has told them, So that doesn't

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Speaker 22: necessarily mean that that is the cause. I see that

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Speaker 22: all the time. So yeah, I don't think that's going

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Speaker 22: to qualify you for extended time away.

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Speaker 17: I guess there's a personal agreement to the mix, so

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Speaker 17: we'll see how it plays out.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, and that's most likely the case in a

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Speaker 22: situation like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank if you call Phil, Welcome to the show. Taylor,

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Speaker 2: your question for Gareth?

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Speaker 23: Okay, Gareth, we it's about ours that I work.

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01:47:08,732 --> 01:47:09,652
Speaker 13: We were.

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Speaker 23: Our wages Wednesday Wednesday, So on Friday we were told

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Speaker 23: not to come into work because one of the key

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01:47:22,492 --> 01:47:26,972
Speaker 23: persons that of the team was sick, so we didn't

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Speaker 23: work that day. But then we were asked to come

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Speaker 23: in on Sunday, and so we came into work in

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Speaker 23: the presumption that there was going to be.

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Speaker 1: Over time.

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Speaker 23: We then asked our shift supervisor if we're going to

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Speaker 23: get paid for the day that we had off on Friday,

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Speaker 23: because it's not our fault. He said yes. Whether we're

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Speaker 23: going to be paid on Sunday, he said yes. But

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01:47:55,372 --> 01:47:58,972
Speaker 23: lo and behold when the wages our paships came around,

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01:47:59,093 --> 01:48:04,092
Speaker 23: they've used the Sunday to justify paying the forty hours

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01:48:04,532 --> 01:48:08,692
Speaker 23: that were missing because we were off on Friday and

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Speaker 23: not paid us for the Sunday that we worked as

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Speaker 23: extra hours of on top of the forty hours that

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Speaker 23: we we do. So I'm really confused why that was

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01:48:20,933 --> 01:48:24,293
Speaker 23: done and if there is room for us to take

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01:48:24,372 --> 01:48:27,093
Speaker 23: this further to the tribunal or someone to advise us on.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that's a great question, and long time listeners of

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Speaker 22: this segment will know. The first step is have a

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Speaker 22: look at your employment agreement that all set out your

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01:48:39,053 --> 01:48:42,812
Speaker 22: normal hours of work, and it will also or should

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Speaker 22: set out when you can be asked or required to

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Speaker 22: work additional hours. In this case, it would be quite

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01:48:50,933 --> 01:48:54,053
Speaker 22: surprising that if you are told not to come to

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Speaker 22: work and it's not your fault, that the company would

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Speaker 22: be permitted not to pay you for that day. And so, certainly,

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Speaker 22: from what you've told me, it sounds like you've got

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Speaker 22: a good argument to get paid for the Friday and

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Speaker 22: the Sunday, and you should be able to raise that

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Speaker 22: with the company without having to take it to the tribunal.

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Speaker 22: The costs of taking a case all the way to

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Speaker 22: a hearing and the authority for one day's pay may

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Speaker 22: not be cost effective, but you should be able to

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Speaker 22: negotiate this with the company.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck, Taylor. Now I've got a text question

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01:49:34,253 --> 01:49:36,692
Speaker 3: here for you, Garrison. Now, this person has harassed us

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01:49:37,053 --> 01:49:38,732
Speaker 3: the last couple of times you've been on. So we're

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01:49:38,772 --> 01:49:40,572
Speaker 3: going to ask it now. They keep texting the same

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01:49:40,652 --> 01:49:44,773
Speaker 3: question and the questions because I know you love these holiday.

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Speaker 22: Questions about the holidays acts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so here it is. So why aren't most public

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01:49:48,893 --> 01:49:51,372
Speaker 3: holidays just a day off for people who work on

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Speaker 3: a Monday.

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Speaker 22: That's something you're going to have to raise with Parliament. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 22: that's not really something I have any influence over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there ego text and now leave us alone.

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01:50:02,333 --> 01:50:04,772
Speaker 2: Please, I know who that as is, Great New Zealand.

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01:50:04,772 --> 01:50:06,093
Speaker 2: At that text Ya, he's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Undred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: And how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 25: Oh Pierre, I'm very good.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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01:50:15,213 --> 01:50:16,932
Speaker 3: Now gathers standing by for your question.

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Speaker 25: All right. So, as health professionals are, for example, living

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Speaker 25: in a small area such as say christ Church, and

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Speaker 25: they are wanting to go from one clinic to another. However,

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Speaker 25: in the contract that they may have, it restraints their

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01:50:34,093 --> 01:50:39,772
Speaker 25: ability to trade within a five k radius. So if

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Speaker 25: that was to be enforced by the employer, would they

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Speaker 25: need to pay them a certain period of time before

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Speaker 25: that restraint of trade is finished? Or is it unreasonable

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Speaker 25: to be putting things like that within contracts, you know,

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Speaker 25: when we have people who may bounce to clinics that

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Speaker 25: are quite close.

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Speaker 22: Well, just the first thing I have to say is

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Speaker 22: I'm slightly offended that you think christ Church is a

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Speaker 22: small place. As a proud christ Church resident, well, I

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Speaker 22: think it's the best city in New Zealand.

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Speaker 24: But I do agree.

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Speaker 22: The factor the factors that get taken into account. Does

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Speaker 22: the restraint go any further than is needed to protect

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01:51:33,933 --> 01:51:38,852
Speaker 22: the employer's interests? Now, to pick up on some of

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01:51:38,933 --> 01:51:41,732
Speaker 22: your weirding, you see some people bounce from clinic to clinic.

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Speaker 22: In situations like that, there may be an interest that

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Speaker 22: is being infringed upon, and so the fact that it's

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01:51:54,253 --> 01:52:00,333
Speaker 22: a smaller city like Christchurch isn't really the determining factor. So,

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Speaker 22: you know, could that be enforced Potentially, Yes, it could,

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Speaker 22: depending on the information that the employee has access to

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Speaker 22: and whether they can use that to unfairly compete with

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Speaker 22: their previous employer. People always grew up about restraints and

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01:52:19,812 --> 01:52:23,612
Speaker 22: some people think they're totally unenforceable and they get a

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Speaker 22: really unpleasant surprise when they get an injunction against them.

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Speaker 22: Other people think that restraints that are on the face

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01:52:32,093 --> 01:52:35,932
Speaker 22: of it, really unreasonable are enforceable and that doesn't stack

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Speaker 22: up either, So it really depends.

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Speaker 25: And what about in regards to contractors.

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01:52:43,893 --> 01:52:47,412
Speaker 22: Yeah, with the contractor, it all depends on what the

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01:52:47,492 --> 01:52:49,973
Speaker 22: parties have agreed to in the contract. And if you

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01:52:50,133 --> 01:52:53,253
Speaker 22: agree to it in the contract and it's not it

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01:52:53,333 --> 01:52:56,812
Speaker 22: doesn't breach any anti competitive laws or anything like that,

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01:52:58,013 --> 01:53:00,572
Speaker 22: then you know, if you've agreed to it, you bound

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Speaker 22: to it.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that helps.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Luck, and thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I've got one for you. Get arth on a text

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01:53:09,612 --> 01:53:11,173
Speaker 2: which I find quite interesting. So I'm going to pick

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01:53:11,213 --> 01:53:13,372
Speaker 2: this one out of the thousands coming through. Gareth. I

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01:53:13,532 --> 01:53:17,532
Speaker 2: work for a Brethren company and have recently left. They

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01:53:17,612 --> 01:53:20,452
Speaker 2: sent me a large severance payment. If I never talked

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01:53:20,492 --> 01:53:23,612
Speaker 2: about them and sent me an agreement, is this on

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01:53:23,732 --> 01:53:25,452
Speaker 2: the level? Have you heard of this before?

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01:53:26,732 --> 01:53:28,893
Speaker 22: Well? If I had heard about it before and I

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01:53:29,053 --> 01:53:31,932
Speaker 22: had taken the payment and signed the agreement, I wouldn't

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Speaker 22: be able.

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Speaker 12: To tell you.

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Speaker 3: That says a lot serious.

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01:53:37,412 --> 01:53:44,253
Speaker 22: Seriously, if you accept a payment to enter into what's

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01:53:44,293 --> 01:53:48,372
Speaker 22: often called a non disclosure agreement or a confidentiality agreement,

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01:53:49,013 --> 01:53:53,053
Speaker 22: well then I think that's likely to be enforceable. You've

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01:53:53,492 --> 01:53:57,213
Speaker 22: you've taken the payment, You've agreed to something you know,

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01:53:57,532 --> 01:54:01,932
Speaker 22: you could choose not to agree, and then you could

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01:54:02,732 --> 01:54:04,733
Speaker 22: you could talk about what you want to talk about.

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01:54:05,093 --> 01:54:08,932
Speaker 2: As does that include legal activities? Can you sign an

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01:54:09,133 --> 01:54:16,572
Speaker 2: NDA that covers off crimes not not not saying that

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Speaker 2: in this case at all. I don't know anything about that.

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01:54:18,732 --> 01:54:20,452
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about Brethren. I'm not saying that.

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01:54:20,572 --> 01:54:22,732
Speaker 2: But just generally, if someone if someone's been committing some

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01:54:22,853 --> 01:54:25,732
Speaker 2: crimes and then that you're leaving, and they're worried that

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Speaker 2: you might mention that and you sign up a big

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01:54:28,812 --> 01:54:31,492
Speaker 2: NDA that you won't talk about it, does the nd A,

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01:54:32,693 --> 01:54:35,973
Speaker 2: you know, supersede you're you know, you're right to go

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01:54:36,053 --> 01:54:36,573
Speaker 2: to the police.

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01:54:37,493 --> 01:54:42,173
Speaker 22: That's a great question, Matt, and I suspect that that

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Speaker 22: would be breaching all sorts of legal obligations. But I

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01:54:47,772 --> 01:54:49,533
Speaker 22: don't think you're going to look very good if you

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01:54:49,693 --> 01:54:53,213
Speaker 22: accept the payment saying that you're not going to talk

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01:54:53,213 --> 01:54:56,493
Speaker 22: about it, and then you go to the police. The

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01:54:56,853 --> 01:54:59,453
Speaker 22: best course of action in that case would be, if

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01:54:59,493 --> 01:55:02,253
Speaker 22: you think crimes are being committed, go to the police

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01:55:02,373 --> 01:55:05,052
Speaker 22: or the or the relevant authorities.

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01:55:04,772 --> 01:55:06,653
Speaker 2: And would you have to give the money back when

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01:55:06,693 --> 01:55:10,212
Speaker 2: you did that well, and then that's a moral dilemma

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01:55:10,293 --> 01:55:11,052
Speaker 2: of huge tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Exactly final one here and it was from a caller

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01:55:16,693 --> 01:55:18,453
Speaker 3: we just didn't have time for. But Jim wanted to

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01:55:18,493 --> 01:55:22,893
Speaker 3: ask about compassionate leave sick parents in Australia. Just the

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01:55:23,493 --> 01:55:26,733
Speaker 3: rules around taking compassionate leave. How much time can you

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01:55:26,893 --> 01:55:30,253
Speaker 3: get and what are the rules around employees giving that

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01:55:30,333 --> 01:55:31,253
Speaker 3: compassionate leave to you.

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01:55:33,133 --> 01:55:37,733
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's another great question. As far as I'm aware,

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01:55:38,453 --> 01:55:43,213
Speaker 22: there is no provision for compassionate leave in the Holidays Act.

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01:55:44,772 --> 01:55:48,093
Speaker 22: You can get sick leave if you are caring for

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01:55:48,293 --> 01:55:53,973
Speaker 22: someone that you look after, so that could potentially be

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01:55:54,573 --> 01:55:57,413
Speaker 22: in effect here. It's more likely that this is going

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01:55:57,493 --> 01:56:01,613
Speaker 22: to be some sort of discretionary leave that the employer

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01:56:01,733 --> 01:56:08,973
Speaker 22: might agree to. Definitely tricky situation and not one that

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01:56:09,213 --> 01:56:10,772
Speaker 22: should be dealt with slightly.

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01:56:11,133 --> 01:56:14,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Gareth, Thank you again so much. We've

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01:56:14,373 --> 01:56:17,653
Speaker 3: had choco bloc phones and so many texts, but we'll

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01:56:17,653 --> 01:56:19,733
Speaker 3: hold them all next time you're with us in about

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01:56:19,733 --> 01:56:20,253
Speaker 3: a month's sime.

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Speaker 22: Fantastic, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: That is Gareth abdenall employment, workplace and information expert and

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01:56:26,173 --> 01:56:29,413
Speaker 3: director of abdenor Law Employment Law. You can check them

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01:56:29,413 --> 01:56:33,533
Speaker 3: out Abdenorlaw dot n Z. Fantastic right. Oh, eight one

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01:56:33,573 --> 01:56:35,333
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call. We're

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01:56:35,373 --> 01:56:37,973
Speaker 3: going to wrap all this up very shortly. It is

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Speaker 3: seven to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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01:56:43,893 --> 01:56:47,693
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons Used Talk ZEDB,

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Speaker 1: Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Here's an interesting text. Hello, current practicing member of Brethren.

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01:56:52,493 --> 01:56:54,852
Speaker 2: The person who says they were given hush money is

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01:56:54,893 --> 01:56:57,052
Speaker 2: obviously either not telling the whole story or the company

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Speaker 2: concerned is not Brethren, because that sort of behavior is

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Speaker 2: strongly condemned within the Brethren ethos. If they were doing

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Speaker 2: something illegal, a report them. Okay, thank we get that

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Speaker 2: text there, all right? I guess what can I say?

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Speaker 12: R O P.

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Speaker 2: Cookie Beer Do said said he is see you tomorrow

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Speaker 2: afternoon for another edition. I've met un Tiler afternoons on ZB.

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Speaker 2: Until then, give him a taste of Kiwi from me.

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Speaker 3: Catch you then.

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