Speaker 1: Welcome to the Export Beer Garden Studio.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the BYC podcast, And this week on the
Speaker 2: BYC We're going to be going balls out, sifting through popcorn,
Speaker 2: bald Eagles, and Donald Trump paraphernalia as the USA and
Speaker 2: West Indies hosted Cricket World Cup gets underway in the
Speaker 2: Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
Speaker 2: I'm Paul Ford, the godfather of the Beise Brigade, and
Speaker 2: I'm joined by New Zealand's greatest sporting substack scribe before
Speaker 2: year of all things sporting, Dylan Cleaver.
Speaker 1: How the bloody hell are you, DC.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, get a little bit tired. I've already banked
Speaker 3: a few hours in front of the screen watching the
Speaker 3: World T twenty, quite enjoying it. To be honest, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you dipped your toe into that water.
Speaker 1: Yet I have.
Speaker 2: And I was actually thinking, how I haven't had too
Speaker 2: many late nights, But I wondered whether you were recording
Speaker 2: the games and then getting up in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night to watch them, or whether you were doing
Speaker 2: something else. I wasn't quite sure because there haven't been
Speaker 2: too many punishingly morning you know, sort of overnight games
Speaker 2: to quench your thirst so far?
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 3: Yeah? A couple of two thirty am starts. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't buy into any of that nonsense. I watched
Speaker 3: them very early the next morning, but I really enjoyed
Speaker 3: the opener, which we'll talk about soon. But yeah, in
Speaker 3: terms of overall vibes, I kind of feel almost that
Speaker 3: it's been embraced more in the US venues than the
Speaker 3: Caribbean so far, and maybe that's the result of the
Speaker 3: kind of weather bomb that's surrounding the Caribbean at the moment,
Speaker 3: Caribbean Caribbean. I don't know what's the correct way of
Speaker 3: saying that, but yeah, what's your thoughts? So, I guess
Speaker 3: so on the opening Salvos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm really obsessed with understanding what America actually thinks about
Speaker 2: the game, and are people talking about this in pubs
Speaker 2: that you know, amongst families, amongst friends that don't have
Speaker 2: an Indian mate. And I suspect that the answer is
Speaker 2: probably not. I don't think that there's been massive cut through.
Speaker 2: I did see that Cam Williamson had his face projected
Speaker 2: onto a building I think it was the Rockefeller Center
Speaker 2: in the middle of New York. So I'm sure these
Speaker 2: little glimpses of cricket if you're looking out for them,
Speaker 2: But just in the absolute male strom that is American
Speaker 2: society and popular culture, I suspect that cricket is not
Speaker 2: really getting a look in. And I imagine it's quite
Speaker 2: a weird sensation for a lot of the players, even
Speaker 2: for the fans, and obviously all the entourage of media
Speaker 2: and so on going around the place and no one
Speaker 2: really knowing who the hell they are or what they're
Speaker 2: there to do. I can imagine being in customs of
Speaker 2: people are like, you're here to do what, and they
Speaker 2: just wouldn't understand what the hell was going on.
Speaker 1: So I'm quite intrigued about that.
Speaker 2: There's been lots of stories about this tournament being the
Speaker 2: kind of this potentially could be the cut through of
Speaker 2: the game into America. But the more and more that
Speaker 2: I delve into it, it does very much seem like
Speaker 2: it is extremely focused on the Indian Pakistani diaspora that
Speaker 2: has has made its home in the United States, and.
Speaker 3: That is the least if that is all it does.
Speaker 3: Is there anything necessarily wrong with that? I mean, there
Speaker 3: we're talking about the aspera of millions of Indians and
Speaker 3: Pakistanis and Bengali's. And I saw the ground in Dallas
Speaker 3: the other day was packed out because there is a
Speaker 3: a Nepalese population of something like twenty thousand in Dallas alone,
Speaker 3: and half of them couldn't get into the ground. So
Speaker 3: I mean, if that is the very least it's doing,
Speaker 3: it's still doing something, if you know, if you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, but I do. I hopefully they drag
Speaker 3: a few others along with them, I guess, is what
Speaker 3: they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look, I think that's exactly right. And let's
Speaker 2: be right, let's you know, not beat around the bush
Speaker 2: on this. The economics of well, sorry, the Cricket World
Speaker 2: Cup is drawn by economics, the economics of the India
Speaker 2: despera driving the interest in the game in America, selling
Speaker 2: out stadiums, TV rights, all of that kind of stuff. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I've got no qualms whatsoever. I'm more intrigued about how
Speaker 2: how it intersect with American popular culture. Does it even
Speaker 2: get a looking And I guess you know, one way
Speaker 2: that it might get onto Sports Center and programs like
Speaker 2: that is when you have someone that you've never heard
Speaker 2: of comes onto the scene and plays a swash buckling
Speaker 2: innings to see one team that you've never heard of,
Speaker 2: or a bunch of players you've never heard of, take
Speaker 2: down another team that you've never heard of, and we
Speaker 2: saw that this.
Speaker 1: Week with Aaron Jones.
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones ninety four not out and one of the
Speaker 2: absolutely iconic innings and a great way to get the
Speaker 2: tournament underway.
Speaker 3: And born in Queens, New York, admittedly raised for the
Speaker 3: most part of his life in Barbados, where he was
Speaker 3: mates with, among others, Shay Hope, Joffra Archer and Jason Holder.
Speaker 3: So this incredible nursery I guess of cricket and Barbados,
Speaker 3: but he was New York born, which kind of feels important.
Speaker 3: The opener as well, who didn't get any runs, Stephen someone.
Speaker 3: There was three US born players in that side, which
Speaker 3: is certainly more than you've got when you look at
Speaker 3: the likes of Oman who almost entirely Pakistani or Gujerati immigrants.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I had a blast watching that game, just
Speaker 3: to re quickly recap at USA b Canada by seven
Speaker 3: wickets with fourteen balls remaining, chasing down one nine four
Speaker 3: for five, scoring one nine seven for three. As you
Speaker 3: mentioned Aaron Jones ninety four not out ten six is
Speaker 3: just forty balls. He was incredible. He had one of
Speaker 3: five balls and the commentators were kind of talking about
Speaker 3: what poor form he had brought into this match, four
Speaker 3: single figure scores in his last five innings and how
Speaker 3: he really needed some runs, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden went everywhere. He was batting with a South African
Speaker 3: born player called Andress Goo, I think is how you
Speaker 3: say it. They had a partnership something like one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty one one hundred and thirty one run partnership.
Speaker 3: Goo scored sixty forty six. It was spectacular. At one
Speaker 3: stage the required run rate was more than twelve and over,
Speaker 3: and then the unfortunate Jeremy Gordon bowled one of the
Speaker 3: overs for the ages. And if I can just take
Speaker 3: you through it, it started with a wide, then Goo hit
Speaker 3: a six, then he hit a four, then there was
Speaker 3: another why. Then there was a no ball where Goo
Speaker 3: was caught on the boundary. Then there was a no
Speaker 3: ball with one run, and then old what's his what's
Speaker 3: his pants? Jones came down the other end had a six,
Speaker 3: Then there was another why. Then there was a one,
Speaker 3: and there was only the only reason it was a
Speaker 3: one was a guy did a miracle back back in
Speaker 3: on the boundary, and then there was a six, and
Speaker 3: then there was a four. It was eleven balls of carnage,
Speaker 3: thirty three runs, and the game was pretty much decided
Speaker 3: at that point.
Speaker 2: Oh, unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, I think Jones and Gets
Speaker 2: put one hundred and thirty one and fifty eight balls,
Speaker 2: so they were and they were in the strike I've
Speaker 2: got to say, though, you look at his career record.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've looked at at Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: He has got a terrible record.
Speaker 2: So the contoada has been quite right and quite within
Speaker 2: their rights to have a crack at him.
Speaker 1: He's got a career strike round in ten twenty of
Speaker 1: about one hundred and four. He's only ever hit.
Speaker 2: He hits won six every two innings on average, and
Speaker 2: he's never scored more than fifty before.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's not true.
Speaker 2: His highest score was fifty before coming into this fixture,
Speaker 2: and now he's become an absolute legend of the game.
Speaker 3: So yeah, now, g perhaps he's like Reggie Jackson. Perhaps
Speaker 3: he's a big game player. Mister October, that used tocore
Speaker 3: Reggie Jackson because he did nothing during the entire season
Speaker 3: get to the playoffs start of hitting home runs. It's
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, mister mister June.
Speaker 2: Good for the really really cool way to start the
Speaker 2: to start the tournament and as you said, a decent cut.
Speaker 2: I think it was only six thousand, but it was
Speaker 2: quite a lively six thousand people at that game. The
Speaker 2: next game up was West and he's beating Papa New
Speaker 2: Guinea by five wickets with six boards, remaining a bit
Speaker 2: of a squeaky bum game really for the West Indies,
Speaker 2: and I guess the thing that caught my eye was
Speaker 2: that it was described as being played on a tricky
Speaker 2: two pace track, which is ominous for New Zealand given
Speaker 2: the set to play on that same track in Guyana.
Speaker 2: As you said, a terrible crowd and really the Western
Speaker 2: these blushes were saved by Roston Chase who got forty
Speaker 2: two off twenty seven when they were ninety seven for
Speaker 2: five after sixteen chasing one thirty six.
Speaker 1: Did anything catch your eye on that one dcent?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just googling Papa New Guinea. Now, not all
Speaker 3: of the player's birthplaces are listed, but as far as
Speaker 3: I can make out, they've got something New Zealands certainly
Speaker 3: can't claim, and that is all of their players are
Speaker 3: locally born, wow and raised. And I was actually quite impressed,
Speaker 3: you know, I thought they did well. Look, I don't
Speaker 3: know actually when I say locally raised, maybe they go
Speaker 3: to Australia and play cricket in North Queensland or Brisbane
Speaker 3: or whatever and then are available for Papua New Guinea.
Speaker 3: But they were certainly Papa New Guineans, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought they played pretty well and they could have won
Speaker 3: that game.
Speaker 1: Did I see that Papua New guineas coached by to
Speaker 1: Tenda Taiboo? Is that correct? I think that's what I think.
Speaker 1: That's what I saw, But it might be wrong. That
Speaker 1: might be wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, a close one for the West Indies, who have
Speaker 2: been called out by US and others as being a
Speaker 2: sort of a smoky chance of the tournament. But you
Speaker 2: do get the sense that they'll sort of build into
Speaker 2: their power game as they get their alchemy going and
Speaker 2: their team been pulled back together specifically for the tournament.
Speaker 2: I watched a bit of Namibia versus Oman, who they
Speaker 2: beat in a super over one hundred and nine all
Speaker 2: out versus one hundred and nine for six And just
Speaker 2: another reminder that David Visa, the man born in hal Teng,
Speaker 2: is an absolute beast with bat and ball. For Namibia,
Speaker 2: he was absolutely sensational three for twenty eight and then
Speaker 2: walloped thirteen runs off four balls in the super over
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: And he looks a bit like Dave Grohl.
Speaker 2: He looks like he kind of doesn't really want to
Speaker 2: be there, and then the interview after the match and
Speaker 2: he seems like the nicest bloke in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I watched the Sisters in Bridge Down, Barbados
Speaker 3: and again the wicket looked really trickily, you looked tricky
Speaker 3: to bed on and it was a low scoring thriller.
Speaker 3: I think is the cliche you use at times like
Speaker 3: this And then suddenly you get to super over and
Speaker 3: it's twenty one off it and so Omaran didn't have
Speaker 3: a chance of chasing that down. I think there were
Speaker 3: after five balls they were one for four and the
Speaker 3: super over so always tricky to get that required eighteen
Speaker 3: off the final ball. Need a lot of things to
Speaker 3: go your way, really, but.
Speaker 1: Again that guy, you need the guy for Canada to
Speaker 1: be bowling.
Speaker 3: That's one way did right And again I looked up
Speaker 3: birth places for Oman and that's where I discovered that
Speaker 3: they're all Pakistani or Indian. So yeah, obviously, I mean
Speaker 3: they're not too far apart across the Gulf of Arabia,
Speaker 3: is it. So obviously it's a pretty popular landing spot
Speaker 3: for Pakistani immigrants.
Speaker 2: Yes, someone's got to build the spectacular buildings and they
Speaker 2: get rich and die trying, I think is the phrase.
Speaker 2: So Africa beat Sri Lanka by six wickets with twenty
Speaker 2: two balls rauning.
Speaker 1: This was a bit of a game. I think you're
Speaker 1: going to have some views on this pitch which I saw.
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 2: The Guardian described it as unscrupulous, which obviously means to
Speaker 2: look that up, but it means unfair in that South
Speaker 2: Africa played within there, within their means and they were
Speaker 2: a bit nervous. I'm sure you've got some thoughts. I'm
Speaker 2: keen to hear them, but we should just call out
Speaker 2: on Rick Nurtzier four for not very many seven maybe
Speaker 2: something something preposterous like that. And this new bloke that
Speaker 2: I haven't seen, but apparently he was a superstar in
Speaker 2: the South African t twenty helping the sun rises Eastern
Speaker 2: Cape magnificently named Ott Neil Bartman not a Simpsons I
Speaker 2: don't know there's a Simpsons connection there somewhere, but surely
Speaker 2: if it's a surname, the parents didn't choose it.
Speaker 1: And quite an interesting character. I understand.
Speaker 2: He was eligible and asked to be to move sort
Speaker 2: of from his country and village school to go to
Speaker 2: those one of those posh schools in place water Wall
Speaker 2: in South Africa. His mum said no, so he stayed
Speaker 2: at his local village school, very academic and then as
Speaker 2: kind of like a bit of a breakthrough star as
Speaker 2: to be finally led off as a mother's apron strengthen
Speaker 2: into the real world. He was sensational eighteen wickets at
Speaker 2: eleven point eight in that South African Tea twenty comp
Speaker 2: and it runs for over of.
Speaker 1: Less than seven. He looks good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I don't want to cheapen what he did
Speaker 3: because it is amazing and it's a great story. But
Speaker 3: anyone could look good bowling on that wicket. And it's
Speaker 3: such a shame because that was the game taken to
Speaker 3: New York. They built this incredible modular stadium out of
Speaker 3: a green park at Isahower Park, which is sort of
Speaker 3: out west of sorry east of Queens like you're heading
Speaker 3: right out into the Long Island Sound there, and amazing
Speaker 3: job of doing it. But what they relied on was
Speaker 3: dropping wickets that were built in Adelaide, then put on
Speaker 3: boats and shipped over to Savannah, Georgia, then track down
Speaker 3: to Florida to grow during the winter, and then tracked
Speaker 3: up to New York and dropped in. Unfortunately, everything about
Speaker 3: this venue relies on those wickets, which were created by
Speaker 3: the guy from Adelaide Oval, the guy I think his
Speaker 3: name's Damien Hoff. And it was unfortunately next to unplayable.
Speaker 3: And I know the popular thing to think to say
Speaker 3: during these sort of things is, oh, well, was it
Speaker 3: really that bad? Was it that unplayable or was it
Speaker 3: just poor batting? Nah? That was that was tough. It
Speaker 3: was really hard work. And on one hand, I'm actually
Speaker 3: surprised that it was Hoff that was allowed to do it,
Speaker 3: because he's the guy that prepared the drop on wicket
Speaker 3: where India all out for thirty something at the Adelaide Oval.
Speaker 3: Some surprised the BC.
Speaker 1: Time doing this one let him share it, But.
Speaker 3: I really wanted this game to work. I thought it
Speaker 3: was the first of these well t twenty games between
Speaker 3: two test playing nations. I wanted it to capture some imagination,
Speaker 3: but it said it was slightly fascal unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an its ominous for the rest of the tournament.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of faith being put in that New
Speaker 2: York picture. It is preposterous really when you think about it.
Speaker 2: You know, the architecture, the scale of the vision to
Speaker 2: do what they've done, and incredible what has been done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, logistically and unbelievable.
Speaker 2: But also completely unproven and an enormous risk, particularly when
Speaker 2: you think about I think some of the tickets for
Speaker 2: the English in India Pakistan game are selling for five
Speaker 2: thousand US dollars.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And you know you're looking at that game starting. Not
Speaker 2: only is it a tricky picture, but I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: a local time that game starts at ten thirty or
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: In the morning. Yeah, it could be maybe they could
Speaker 1: get to play twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it does seem like, well, I've got a
Speaker 2: feeling of trepidation about it as you. And it does
Speaker 2: sound like your description of that picture is something a
Speaker 2: bit harsher than unscrupulous DC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm played there.
Speaker 1: A couple more games, just very quick.
Speaker 2: Afghanistan absolutely annihilated Uganda by one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 2: run When we can have a touch on the Afghanis
Speaker 2: in a little bit when we preview that New Zealand game,
Speaker 2: but this was an absolute blitzkrig And Faruki was the man.
Speaker 2: He took five wickets, his first time he's taken five wickets.
Speaker 2: And for Uganda, they looked incredibly.
Speaker 3: It looked like a mino.
Speaker 2: Confused when they were batting. They were sixty eight all out.
Speaker 2: But they do have some of the best names, including
Speaker 2: their fast bowl of my favorite cosmos kyah Water, which
Speaker 2: I think is just one of the great names in
Speaker 2: this World Cup. But yeah, what is it, fifty eight,
Speaker 2: sixty eight whatever they got six years.
Speaker 3: That was that they played like a genuine minnow. That
Speaker 3: was the first time where you looked at it and went, oh,
Speaker 3: some teams are going to get some severe hidings here.
Speaker 3: They made Afghanistan look like well, actually shouldn't say that
Speaker 3: because New Zealand And due to play them, but Afghanistan
Speaker 3: looked like it was Usta playing New Zealand in the
Speaker 3: nineties early nineties.
Speaker 1: And then overnight Scotland visus England was washed out.
Speaker 2: Scotland absolutely going hammer in ninety for nine lots of
Speaker 2: rain about and yeah, unfortunate, another sort of ominous sign
Speaker 2: for looking at the weather forecast, which we get into
Speaker 2: in a sec And the Netherlands beaten Nepal with Takapuna's
Speaker 2: finest max O Dowd anchoring the Netherlands chase as they
Speaker 2: mowed down one hundred and six.
Speaker 1: He was very calm, very composed and took them through.
Speaker 1: I think they had seven balls to spare, eight balls
Speaker 1: to spare or something.
Speaker 3: Great atmosphere there really good right schoolcards DC. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: ground full of Nepalese and actually was a massive day
Speaker 3: for the New Zealand contingent. Tim Pringle took three for twenty,
Speaker 3: Logan van Beek took three for Raden and Maxo Dowd
Speaker 3: got them home, as you said, with an unbeaten half century.
Speaker 3: The Dutch cracked me up. Actually, I read an interview
Speaker 3: with Scott Edwards earlier in this tournament. Remember the confidence
Speaker 3: they took into the World Cup, you know, and Scott
Speaker 3: is added again saying when we're at our best. No
Speaker 3: one can beat us. We're a meta anyone that's that's cool,
Speaker 3: Good on you, good luck.
Speaker 2: And frankly, you know Nepole, but I've got some tricky
Speaker 2: backers in there. There could have been a little bit
Speaker 2: of a banana skin game. So good to see the
Speaker 2: Netherlands seize their opportunity. And you know, they should be
Speaker 2: a cut above, and it's good to see that they've
Speaker 2: proved that, at least in the opening game.
Speaker 3: I don't think Nepole had their best player. Who was
Speaker 3: I think acquidted of rape charges recently, Lama Chane I
Speaker 3: think his name is, but he still didn't get a
Speaker 3: visa to get into the United States, which sounds probably
Speaker 3: fair enough. So I don't think they are as strong
Speaker 3: as they usually are.
Speaker 2: Good point, Yeah, definitely, they're definitely their main man for sure. Hey, DCIC,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll preview New
Speaker 2: Zealand versus the Banana Skin Game Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the b y C.
Speaker 2: It's Paul fordam Dylan Clever here during the fat and
Speaker 2: New Zealand finally going to get underway in a couple
Speaker 2: of days. DC Game versus Afghanistan the opening game for
Speaker 2: the Black Caps in the Cricket World Cup. They're playing
Speaker 2: at Providence. I had a quick look the last four
Speaker 2: winning scores at Providence in Georgetown, Guyana one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty three versus Uganda one hundred and thirty seven versus
Speaker 2: pap in New Guinea one hundred and fifty five and
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty four. So the days of the
Speaker 2: IPL two hundred and fifty plus scores are absolute dreamland.
Speaker 2: I've seen a couple of scam hungering headlines. My favorite
Speaker 2: was this one Paul rival Afghanistan sends warning to black
Speaker 2: Cats with big opening win over Uganda. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that a win over the cricket cranes, which is what
Speaker 2: Uganda are called, means a hell.
Speaker 1: Of a lot.
Speaker 2: Something that may be factored in here is New Zealand's flights.
Speaker 2: But you'd hope that they'd be okay having traveled I
Speaker 2: think Auckland, San Francisco, Houston, Georgetown, which I think is
Speaker 2: about thirty four thirty five hours, but they'd had pretty
Speaker 2: close to a week, I think, to acclimatize and get
Speaker 2: over that get over that jet lag.
Speaker 1: How do you see that one shaping up decent.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a little bit worried about this. All the
Speaker 3: narrative or the kind of rhetoric coming out of the
Speaker 3: New Zealand camp has been remarkably negative. He had sort
Speaker 3: of talking about jet lag and weather bombs and sat
Speaker 3: and there talking about what a chaotic start it's been
Speaker 3: and how distorted the start of the tournament has been.
Speaker 3: They've opted for no warm up games because the team
Speaker 3: was coming in three different ways, because they were coming
Speaker 3: from different parts of the parts of the world. It
Speaker 3: look it actually sounded like a little bit of a shambles.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard anyone sort of sitting there over there
Speaker 3: going yeah, we're in great shape, can't wait to get
Speaker 3: stuck into it. We've had some amazing together. Yeah, we've
Speaker 3: had some amazing net sessions. It doesn't sound like you
Speaker 3: can bere to get in the nets because of the weather.
Speaker 3: I'd like you. I did a bit of digging on
Speaker 3: this Providence ground. I looked at the twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: Caribbean Premier League stats Sexy and they were that's where
Speaker 3: the majority of the games were played. And it's a
Speaker 3: decent pitch. It's like one hundred and sixty three average,
Speaker 3: which is kind of above where most of the grounds
Speaker 3: in the Caribbean are at the moment, and that average
Speaker 3: would have been as high as one hundred and ninety
Speaker 3: except in the final was a complete blowout where Trinidad Trinbago, sorry,
Speaker 3: we're out for ninety four. You don't. There's no discernible
Speaker 3: advantage to batting first or second. It's your bat first.
Speaker 3: You win four out of the nine games, five out
Speaker 3: of the nine games if you're batted second. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it was. It seemed like kind of mid one sixties
Speaker 3: was a decent total, which to me feels like what
Speaker 3: a t twenty game with a reasonably even contest between
Speaker 3: bat and ball should look like. It should be about
Speaker 3: kind of one seventy. So it might not be quite
Speaker 3: as slow and as turgid as some of the cricket
Speaker 3: and the Caribbean has been over the last ten years,
Speaker 3: just because of the low slow track. So it might
Speaker 3: suit New Zealand.
Speaker 2: That sounds well, that sounds promising. I'll tell you something
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound promising is that Guyana, which is of
Speaker 2: course quite an unusual country. I think when we think
Speaker 2: of the western these we always think of these beautiful
Speaker 2: tropical islands, and of course that the Guyana's on the
Speaker 2: South American continent. It's the only English speaking on that continent.
Speaker 2: It's basically in a maybe not a civil war, but
Speaker 2: certainly a political battle with Venezuela.
Speaker 1: I think over some oil.
Speaker 2: There's a vein of the country that's contested in these
Speaker 2: is a bit of a drama around that. But it's
Speaker 2: also known for its tropical rainforests. Book site Gold and Timber.
Speaker 2: But let's focus on the tropical rainforest because I can
Speaker 2: tell you over the next few days it has sensational
Speaker 2: conditions for growing a rainforest. It's the weather conditions from
Speaker 2: Thursday thirty one showers, Friday thirty one thunderstorms and heavy showers,
Speaker 2: and Saturday thirty one dull and dreary with showers, ninety
Speaker 2: three percent chance of rain. So it is looking but
Speaker 2: I'm not sort of whenever we talk about this, they
Speaker 2: pretty much always seem to get a game in. But
Speaker 2: there's definitely going to be some rain about and I
Speaker 2: don't know whether that's helpful or a hindrance to the
Speaker 2: New Zealand team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a lottery, isn't it. I guess if
Speaker 3: you know beforehand, it can play into your decision at
Speaker 3: the toss. Most teams liked about second when there's rain about,
Speaker 3: so you know what the Duckworth Lewis equation is, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't always work that way. You go in as
Speaker 3: a fascinating country. It's such an outlier in world cricket
Speaker 3: and I've always been fascinated about it ever since. I
Speaker 3: think I've read clave Lloyd's autobiography when I was about
Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen, and to me it sounded quite idyllic.
Speaker 3: Georgetown Goan sounded quite idlic But I've subsequently talked to
Speaker 3: plenty of people who've been there and it's far from
Speaker 3: my delic I think you have to be careful at night.
Speaker 3: They definitely tell you don't go out in ones. Make
Speaker 3: sure there's a group of you when you go out.
Speaker 3: But I've piled and it's also a very curious place
Speaker 3: in the Caribbean milieu in that it produces incredible batters
Speaker 3: and virtually no fast bowlers at all. But I've compiled
Speaker 3: again and he's all time eleven and I've had to
Speaker 3: leave out some incredible batters. But I'm opening with Roy
Speaker 3: Fredericks and Ramna Esh Sawan, Shivneren Chanderpaul's elevated to number three,
Speaker 3: Basil Butcher's number four, Alvin Keller trans number five. Clyde
Speaker 3: Lord is captaining the team at number six rowand can I,
Speaker 3: the roan can I will be the best ever number seven.
Speaker 3: He also has to wicket keep because they weren't rich
Speaker 3: in wicket keepers. Carl Hooper I've got coming him at
Speaker 3: eight and he's a genuine all rounder in this team
Speaker 3: ahead of Lance Gibbs who was the first bowl of
Speaker 3: take three hundred Test wickets. Shama Joseph on very little evidence,
Speaker 3: is already in the team at number ten, and Colin Croft,
Speaker 3: no best known in New Zealand for the strange angle
Speaker 3: of his run up, is batting number eleven. I couldn't
Speaker 3: find a place for Roger Harper or Devendra Bishu, Himron
Speaker 3: hit Meyer and several other batters. Actually, so it's a
Speaker 3: it's powerful all time eleven.
Speaker 1: Pretty good.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, I'm glad that Tjenerine Chanderpaul
Speaker 2: did not make your team. I'm happy with that. A
Speaker 2: couple of bits and pieces for you. I never knew
Speaker 2: that Larance Gibbs was Clive Lloyd cousin, first cousin. So yeah,
Speaker 2: thick as thieves. Obviously a real fraternity amongst the Guyanese
Speaker 2: players as well.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Besil Butcher.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know a hell of a lot about him,
Speaker 2: but he was an amazing player back in the in
Speaker 2: the fifties with your mate Can I and then Can
Speaker 2: I Is that what he said?
Speaker 1: And another guy called Joe Solomon. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: They they were they all worked together on this sugar
Speaker 2: plantation in Port Morant, and there was a guy called
Speaker 2: Clyde Walcott.
Speaker 1: A legendary batner from Barbados.
Speaker 3: I think, one of the three ws who.
Speaker 1: Looked after them, and so he was employed. How good
Speaker 1: is this? So Clyde Walcott was employed by the local
Speaker 1: Sugar Producers Association to be the cricket organizer for the
Speaker 1: Port Morant sugar Plantation cricket team.
Speaker 2: And he was amazing at the guys developed their own
Speaker 2: technique and turn into these pridigious talents. So, yeah, a
Speaker 2: really awesome story. And yeah, I guess where you get
Speaker 2: to around this is it's incredible that the westerns is
Speaker 2: just this train smashed together of lots of these extraordinary countries,
Speaker 2: each of which have their own strengths and weaknesses and
Speaker 2: could probably and.
Speaker 1: Have historically been teams in and of their own right.
Speaker 2: And you wonder whether it's going to go back to
Speaker 2: that as Western East Cricket teams to looks like it's
Speaker 2: going to fragment.
Speaker 3: Hey, and what.
Speaker 2: About this new Zealand team DC, who is actually going
Speaker 2: to play? Have you got an eleven for us? And
Speaker 2: have you got a I don't know a couple of things.
Speaker 2: I'm conscious with Stevin Conway coming back here with thumb injury,
Speaker 2: Fan Allen's got a back injury. Glen Phillips didn't play
Speaker 2: in the IPL. Ken Williamston only played a couple. We've
Speaker 2: got nine guys that have been in the pressure cooker
Speaker 2: of the IPL, but they've got, as I mentioned, thirty
Speaker 2: to forty hours of travel, a big gap before the
Speaker 2: first game.
Speaker 1: There's a few things to sort out that we haven't
Speaker 1: sorted out.
Speaker 3: It seems the leaning heavily on experience. It's not a
Speaker 3: I think I mentioned this last week when we had
Speaker 3: a soft relaunch, but it's not a team that fills
Speaker 3: me with a huge amount of anticipation or excitement. Actually,
Speaker 3: I presume they will open with Allan and I think
Speaker 3: Conway has to because he's unless they have a real
Speaker 3: voulta Facha and decide that Glen Phillips is in fact
Speaker 3: a wiki keeper non lost, and I think Conway has
Speaker 3: to wicked keep. Williamson clearly has to play, he has
Speaker 3: to captain, so he's got to be in the top three.
Speaker 3: So there, so Alan has to do a lot of
Speaker 3: heavy lifting in that top three to get the scoring
Speaker 3: rate after a stroke rade after a decent clip. I
Speaker 3: think Mitchell probably bats four ahead of Chapman, and then
Speaker 3: they would have Phillips at five, and then I'm just
Speaker 3: completely confused. I've gone for bracewooll Nesham, Santana, Sody, Ferguson Bolt.
Speaker 3: But you can make an argument that Chapman could be
Speaker 3: in there. You can make an argument that Henry should
Speaker 3: be in there. You can make it certainly make an
Speaker 3: argument that Sody shouldn't be in there. Revendra doesn't get
Speaker 3: a looking for me, but you know, personally I would
Speaker 3: have him in there, but I don't know how you
Speaker 3: can play him in the eleven with the way they
Speaker 3: configure that squad. It's a real it's a bit of
Speaker 3: a dog's Breakfast. For me. To be honest, I have
Speaker 3: not really settled. I picked that eleven, but I'm really
Speaker 3: unsettled about it, and you can talk me out of
Speaker 3: it any which way you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I've got to get I feel like Revenger
Speaker 2: and Chapman are kind of battling for the same position,
Speaker 2: so I've got them in a in a duel to
Speaker 2: the death at that number six, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: go for I would pick Revenger. I think they'll pick Chapman.
Speaker 2: I think Chapman's got a He's been good over the
Speaker 2: last twelve months for New Zealand so and did some
Speaker 2: good things in Pakistan, so fair enough. I'm not sort
Speaker 2: of dying on a hell over that. Then I'm going
Speaker 2: Nishan or Bracewell, and I'm going to pick Bracefel because
Speaker 2: I think I just I'm reading the tea leaps from
Speaker 2: from Gary stead Stain, there's a lock for me. I
Speaker 2: think that they will pick Saudi. I'm not picking Sody
Speaker 2: and I'm not picking Henry, and then it's Ferguson and
Speaker 2: Bolt for me.
Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, but yeah, just it does feel like
Speaker 1: New Zealand does have a very interchangeable team.
Speaker 3: So when I went through and did my deafinits, that's
Speaker 3: what I always do. First, I put in the ones
Speaker 3: that will definitely there's no way they're going to miss out,
Speaker 3: and I had Alan Komway Williamson and again it's not
Speaker 3: a top three I particularly like, but just because of
Speaker 3: the situation with the wicked keeper, it has to be that.
Speaker 3: So had those three and then I went down to
Speaker 3: Santana at a was as my next definite, and then
Speaker 3: ferguson a Bolt at ten and eleven, so they were
Speaker 3: I had six definites. The rest that's just throwing stuff
Speaker 3: in the air and depending on which way it lands,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: And frankly it should be good enough. That's the other
Speaker 1: thing as well.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like it's not like we're not
Speaker 2: using between guys that are shockingly bad.
Speaker 1: It's actually an embarrassment of strength and away.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think the one thing that
Speaker 2: you would say that New Zealand is potentially missing is
Speaker 2: just that absolutely blockbusting slogathon at the top. And yeah,
Speaker 2: as you say, a lot of pressure on Allen.
Speaker 3: It's non embarrassment of strike great strength at the top
Speaker 3: I think that is the Achilles heel of this team.
Speaker 3: And you wonder when is it time to give Robinson
Speaker 3: a fair crack at it or something like that, But
Speaker 3: then a very good player has to miss out.
Speaker 2: So and but Afghanistan, I guess a lot of pressure
Speaker 2: on there, a lot of pressure, a lot of stock
Speaker 2: put in there, a bit like Pakistani really on their openers, right,
Speaker 2: Ibrahim Zadran Raman la Gerbars.
Speaker 1: I mean they put one hundred and fifty four against Uganda.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean.
Speaker 2: Anything, but you know that they are going to be
Speaker 2: super hyper magnificently aggressive.
Speaker 1: They're great to watch.
Speaker 2: They go absolutely balls to the wall in terms of
Speaker 2: that opening partnership. And then it's all about the old
Speaker 2: dogs Rashid Khan and navinol Hark generally with the ball,
Speaker 2: although as mentioned earlier, fuzzle Hart Faruki taking five to
Speaker 2: nine against Uganda probably about a ninety percent discount on that,
Speaker 2: but that feels like their main weapons.
Speaker 3: Muji is Mujib playing he's I always seem to have
Speaker 3: this little mild panic and anxiety about coming up against
Speaker 3: Afghaniststan spinners. But unless I'm mistake, in New Zealand always
Speaker 3: does well again against him, don't they. I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't think they've tripped us up like they have other teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, and I think maybe you're
Speaker 2: hearing some of that sort of weariness. You know, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that as as you said, you know, New
Speaker 2: Zealand are hardly going into this game supremely confident. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they'll be doing there. They'll be doing their
Speaker 2: homework as well. Afghanistan. You know their coach Jonathan Trump
Speaker 2: obviously a smart fellow. And they've also got the guy
Speaker 2: that you may have heard of, Dwayne Bravo, who was
Speaker 2: their bowling advisor. Obviously a bit of a hometown advantage
Speaker 2: there for him, although not so sure how much help
Speaker 2: he'll be providing to the spinners. But yes, hey we
Speaker 2: should grab a quick break and then DC, I think
Speaker 2: you've got a quiz for us and I'll bring us
Speaker 2: back with a bit of cricket violence. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the by C and DC, I understand you've got a
Speaker 2: quiz question for us over between Guyana and New Zealand.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just wanted to stretch this Guyanese theme as
Speaker 3: far as I possibly could, and look, if you can
Speaker 3: name the test cricketer from Guyana who died in Hamilton,
Speaker 3: New Zealand two years ago, the first person that pops
Speaker 3: out into our in box, and Paul will give the
Speaker 3: details to that and just a bit we'll get a
Speaker 3: shout out next week and an optional Jason Hoyt Stripper
Speaker 3: Gram at your workplace. So you choose. You either get
Speaker 3: a shout out on the BYC or hoiti in for
Speaker 3: a stripper Gram. We have to check his available obviously,
Speaker 3: but yeah, can you name the test cricketer from Guyana
Speaker 3: who died in Hamilton, New Zealand in twenty twenty two?
Speaker 3: Do you know the answer? Paul?
Speaker 1: I think I actually do.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to spoil it, and you know I
Speaker 2: definitely want someone to win a Jason Hoyt Stripper Gram.
Speaker 2: We may have to kidnap him sort of like scg
Speaker 2: McGill and get him to that stripper Gram destination, but
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Speaker 2: cricket Will Cup. It'll be fantastic to hear from our
Speaker 2: loyal and non loyal listeners over the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: Paul Forward's Cricket violence Corner. Well, this week we are
Speaker 1: in Australia. It is official. Disgraced former cricketer Michael Slater's
Speaker 1: name is being wipe from history in his home city.
Speaker 2: The Wogga Wogga City councilors have voted in favor of
Speaker 2: changing the name of Michael Slater Oval. This honor for
Speaker 2: the test batter was unveiled in twenty fourteen. Fellow Wogga
Speaker 2: products and former international cricketers Mark Taylor and Jeff Lawson
Speaker 2: also have Ovals named in their honor in Wogga Wogga,
Speaker 2: colloquially dubbed the city is dubbed the City of Good
Speaker 2: Sports for its history of producing top athletes. But Michael
Speaker 2: Slater Oval will be no more after councilors voted four
Speaker 2: to three in favor of changing the name. Of course,
Speaker 2: the fifty four year old was last month refused bailed
Speaker 2: by our Sunshine Coast course at court as he faces
Speaker 2: nineteen charges relating to domestic violence. I've got a couple
Speaker 2: of nominations for the Oval, Sam Moran from the Wiggles,
Speaker 2: so the I don't think anyone would be crossing that out.
Speaker 1: Dame Edna Everidge, I'm not sure how open minded they are.
Speaker 1: And Wogga Wogga, but she's from that neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: And this one speaking of crossovers between Australia and New Zealand,
Speaker 2: what about Raylene the Castle Oval, I think that could
Speaker 2: confuse enough Australians.
Speaker 1: She is a product of Wogga Wogga as well.
Speaker 2: So there we go a couple of suggestions from me
Speaker 2: to fix Wogga Wogger DC over to you.
Speaker 3: Really sad story there as she and I was reading
Speaker 3: a couple of the comments from the counselors who voted
Speaker 3: to retain the name, and it didn't give you a
Speaker 3: lot of hope for Australia, for inland rural Australia, with
Speaker 3: some of the thinking that went into some of the
Speaker 3: defenses of Michael Stada. But anyway, we'll move right on.
Speaker 3: I've got a little bit of correspondence. This one's from
Speaker 3: Simon Sherbert and it relates to last week's conversation about
Speaker 3: the IPL and he said, Hey, Leaz, just wondering what
Speaker 3: is to stop IPL owners buying into the Super Smash.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing to stop them as not
Speaker 3: for sale. But apart from that, pul forward, do you
Speaker 3: have any thoughts off the top of your head.
Speaker 2: It's a really interesting one and I guess it's a
Speaker 2: real dilemma that countries that currently have not engaged private
Speaker 2: ownership into their T twenty franchises. I England, who are
Speaker 2: obviously contemplating doing that it's about to happen. Australia are
Speaker 2: in a well, there's lots of discussion about that becoming
Speaker 2: a thing for the Big Bash. Look, I think I
Speaker 2: do wonder whether the market has been subtly tested and
Speaker 2: there's kind of no interest.
Speaker 1: I would imagine, you.
Speaker 2: Know it potentially is I think that the primary issue
Speaker 2: that we've that they've got at the moment is where
Speaker 2: does the Super Smash.
Speaker 1: New Zealand's a complicated place to get to.
Speaker 3: Time zone is terrible.
Speaker 2: The time zone is terrible and also now you've got
Speaker 2: the added complexity of the New Zealand summer competing with
Speaker 2: Major League Cricket in the United States and also the
Speaker 2: South African competition. So you know, arguably you could say
Speaker 2: it's quite a good idea. It's maybe the direction that
Speaker 2: the world is turning, but maybe it has turned too
Speaker 2: far for New Zealand to even contemplate doing that. You know,
Speaker 2: we've talked before on the b YC about maybe New
Speaker 2: Zealand's place in the world around or the supersmashes place
Speaker 2: in the world around that is to be a feeder
Speaker 2: competition for one of the others feels more realistic unfortunately.
Speaker 3: And that's where I think there is. That's the only
Speaker 3: kind of realistic proposition is that you'd buy into the
Speaker 3: New Zealand competition if you're using it as a development
Speaker 3: vehicle for talent. Essentially, you're not buying it as a
Speaker 3: broadcast vehicle because no one wants to watch even in India,
Speaker 3: you're not watching cricket at that time of the day
Speaker 3: because it's just such a dreadful time zone. So it
Speaker 3: would be a development because they simply can't get all
Speaker 3: the young talent that they've got there enough game time
Speaker 3: and again, where's the attraction for New Zealand and that
Speaker 3: apart from, you know, a few million rupees coming in?
Speaker 3: Do we want to turn the super smash into a
Speaker 3: development vehicle a young Indian talent or other talent that
Speaker 3: they own from other countries that aren't getting game time
Speaker 3: necessarily in the South African one or the IPL. It's
Speaker 3: very complicated, but I'm and again that is why I
Speaker 3: would love to see what New Zealand crickets strategy around
Speaker 3: this globalization of T twenty cricketers and specifically towards the IPL,
Speaker 3: because there is going to be massive change in this area.
Speaker 2: I think the other thing that's in my head around this,
Speaker 2: and it's not a fully formed thought, but you know,
Speaker 2: and it's almost sort of potentially it's slightly humiliating the
Speaker 2: New Zealand cricket to contemplate, but maybe our place in
Speaker 2: the world around this is actually becoming a development league
Speaker 2: for some of these teams and some of the players
Speaker 2: that are actually going around on this World Cup who
Speaker 2: aren't the superstars, and it's going to end up being afghanie, Ugandans,
Speaker 2: players from Oman Netherlands and that becomes New New Zealand
Speaker 2: kind of calves out its place as a sort of
Speaker 2: secondary part of a secondary world tour which has not
Speaker 2: yet emerged, but eventually, as the IPL franchises take their
Speaker 2: kind of Formula one tier of cricketers, including lots of
Speaker 2: the big dogs from New Zealand as well, take them
Speaker 2: up onto these full time contracts to play all around
Speaker 2: the world in a various different competitions for teams that
Speaker 2: they own, there's going to be a bunch of players
Speaker 2: who are left behind who either aspire to be in
Speaker 2: that next tier or who are quite comfortable going around
Speaker 2: the world playing cricket and getting paid decent money without
Speaker 2: becoming squillionaires. And maybe realistically that's a more pragmatic place
Speaker 2: for New Zealand to end up in the cricketing universe.
Speaker 2: I'm not sort of advocating for that, just being realistic.
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Speaker 2: Zealand game versus the Misogynists of Afghanistan plus we'll be
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