1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Export Beer Garden Studio. 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to the BYC podcast, And this week on the 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: BYC We're going to be going balls out, sifting through popcorn, 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: bald Eagles, and Donald Trump paraphernalia as the USA and 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: West Indies hosted Cricket World Cup gets underway in the 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: I'm Paul Ford, the godfather of the Beise Brigade, and 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: I'm joined by New Zealand's greatest sporting substack scribe before 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: year of all things sporting, Dylan Cleaver. 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: How the bloody hell are you, DC. 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: I'm saying, get a little bit tired. I've already banked 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: a few hours in front of the screen watching the 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: World T twenty, quite enjoying it. To be honest, I 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: don't know if you dipped your toe into that water. 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Yet I have. 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: And I was actually thinking, how I haven't had too 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: many late nights, But I wondered whether you were recording 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: the games and then getting up in the middle of 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: the night to watch them, or whether you were doing 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: something else. I wasn't quite sure because there haven't been 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: too many punishingly morning you know, sort of overnight games 22 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: to quench your thirst so far? 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Is that fair? 24 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? A couple of two thirty am starts. I don't. 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 3: I don't buy into any of that nonsense. I watched 26 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 3: them very early the next morning, but I really enjoyed 27 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: the opener, which we'll talk about soon. But yeah, in 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: terms of overall vibes, I kind of feel almost that 29 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: it's been embraced more in the US venues than the 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: Caribbean so far, and maybe that's the result of the 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: kind of weather bomb that's surrounding the Caribbean at the moment, 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: Caribbean Caribbean. I don't know what's the correct way of 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 3: saying that, but yeah, what's your thoughts? So, I guess 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: so on the opening Salvos. 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: I'm really obsessed with understanding what America actually thinks about 37 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: the game, and are people talking about this in pubs 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: that you know, amongst families, amongst friends that don't have 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: an Indian mate. And I suspect that the answer is 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: probably not. I don't think that there's been massive cut through. 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: I did see that Cam Williamson had his face projected 42 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: onto a building I think it was the Rockefeller Center 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: in the middle of New York. So I'm sure these 44 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: little glimpses of cricket if you're looking out for them, 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 2: But just in the absolute male strom that is American 46 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: society and popular culture, I suspect that cricket is not 47 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: really getting a look in. And I imagine it's quite 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: a weird sensation for a lot of the players, even 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: for the fans, and obviously all the entourage of media 50 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: and so on going around the place and no one 51 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: really knowing who the hell they are or what they're 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: there to do. I can imagine being in customs of 53 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: people are like, you're here to do what, and they 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: just wouldn't understand what the hell was going on. 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: So I'm quite intrigued about that. 56 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: There's been lots of stories about this tournament being the 57 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: kind of this potentially could be the cut through of 58 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: the game into America. But the more and more that 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: I delve into it, it does very much seem like 60 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: it is extremely focused on the Indian Pakistani diaspora that 61 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: has has made its home in the United States, and. 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: That is the least if that is all it does. 63 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: Is there anything necessarily wrong with that? I mean, there 64 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: we're talking about the aspera of millions of Indians and 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: Pakistanis and Bengali's. And I saw the ground in Dallas 66 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: the other day was packed out because there is a 67 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: a Nepalese population of something like twenty thousand in Dallas alone, 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: and half of them couldn't get into the ground. So 69 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: I mean, if that is the very least it's doing, 70 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: it's still doing something, if you know, if you know 71 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: what I mean, but I do. I hopefully they drag 72 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: a few others along with them, I guess, is what 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: they're trying to do. 74 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look, I think that's exactly right. And let's 75 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: be right, let's you know, not beat around the bush 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: on this. The economics of well, sorry, the Cricket World 77 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: Cup is drawn by economics, the economics of the India 78 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: despera driving the interest in the game in America, selling 79 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: out stadiums, TV rights, all of that kind of stuff. Absolutely, 80 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: I've got no qualms whatsoever. I'm more intrigued about how 81 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: how it intersect with American popular culture. Does it even 82 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: get a looking And I guess you know, one way 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: that it might get onto Sports Center and programs like 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: that is when you have someone that you've never heard 85 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: of comes onto the scene and plays a swash buckling 86 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: innings to see one team that you've never heard of, 87 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: or a bunch of players you've never heard of, take 88 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: down another team that you've never heard of, and we 89 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: saw that this. 90 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: Week with Aaron Jones. 91 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones ninety four not out and one of the 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: absolutely iconic innings and a great way to get the 93 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: tournament underway. 94 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: And born in Queens, New York, admittedly raised for the 95 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: most part of his life in Barbados, where he was 96 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: mates with, among others, Shay Hope, Joffra Archer and Jason Holder. 97 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: So this incredible nursery I guess of cricket and Barbados, 98 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: but he was New York born, which kind of feels important. 99 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: The opener as well, who didn't get any runs, Stephen someone. 100 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: There was three US born players in that side, which 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 3: is certainly more than you've got when you look at 102 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: the likes of Oman who almost entirely Pakistani or Gujerati immigrants. 103 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, I had a blast watching that game, just 104 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: to re quickly recap at USA b Canada by seven 105 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: wickets with fourteen balls remaining, chasing down one nine four 106 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: for five, scoring one nine seven for three. As you 107 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 3: mentioned Aaron Jones ninety four not out ten six is 108 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: just forty balls. He was incredible. He had one of 109 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: five balls and the commentators were kind of talking about 110 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: what poor form he had brought into this match, four 111 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: single figure scores in his last five innings and how 112 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: he really needed some runs, and then all of a 113 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: sudden went everywhere. He was batting with a South African 114 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: born player called Andress Goo, I think is how you 115 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: say it. They had a partnership something like one hundred 116 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: and thirty one one hundred and thirty one run partnership. 117 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: Goo scored sixty forty six. It was spectacular. At one 118 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: stage the required run rate was more than twelve and over, 119 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: and then the unfortunate Jeremy Gordon bowled one of the 120 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: overs for the ages. And if I can just take 121 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: you through it, it started with a wide, then Goo hit 122 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 3: a six, then he hit a four, then there was 123 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: another why. Then there was a no ball where Goo 124 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: was caught on the boundary. Then there was a no 125 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: ball with one run, and then old what's his what's 126 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: his pants? Jones came down the other end had a six, 127 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: Then there was another why. Then there was a one, 128 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: and there was only the only reason it was a 129 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: one was a guy did a miracle back back in 130 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: on the boundary, and then there was a six, and 131 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: then there was a four. It was eleven balls of carnage, 132 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: thirty three runs, and the game was pretty much decided 133 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: at that point. 134 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: Oh, unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, I think Jones and Gets 135 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: put one hundred and thirty one and fifty eight balls, 136 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: so they were and they were in the strike I've 137 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: got to say, though, you look at his career record. 138 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've looked at at Aaron Jones. 139 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: He has got a terrible record. 140 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: So the contoada has been quite right and quite within 141 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 2: their rights to have a crack at him. 142 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: He's got a career strike round in ten twenty of 143 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: about one hundred and four. He's only ever hit. 144 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: He hits won six every two innings on average, and 145 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: he's never scored more than fifty before. 146 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: Sorry, that's not true. 147 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: His highest score was fifty before coming into this fixture, 148 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: and now he's become an absolute legend of the game. 149 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, now, g perhaps he's like Reggie Jackson. Perhaps 150 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: he's a big game player. Mister October, that used tocore 151 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: Reggie Jackson because he did nothing during the entire season 152 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: get to the playoffs start of hitting home runs. It's 153 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, mister mister June. 154 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: Good for the really really cool way to start the 155 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: to start the tournament and as you said, a decent cut. 156 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: I think it was only six thousand, but it was 157 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: quite a lively six thousand people at that game. The 158 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: next game up was West and he's beating Papa New 159 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: Guinea by five wickets with six boards, remaining a bit 160 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: of a squeaky bum game really for the West Indies, 161 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: and I guess the thing that caught my eye was 162 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: that it was described as being played on a tricky 163 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: two pace track, which is ominous for New Zealand given 164 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: the set to play on that same track in Guyana. 165 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: As you said, a terrible crowd and really the Western 166 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: these blushes were saved by Roston Chase who got forty 167 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: two off twenty seven when they were ninety seven for 168 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: five after sixteen chasing one thirty six. 169 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: Did anything catch your eye on that one dcent? 170 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just googling Papa New Guinea. Now, not all 171 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: of the player's birthplaces are listed, but as far as 172 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: I can make out, they've got something New Zealands certainly 173 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: can't claim, and that is all of their players are 174 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: locally born, wow and raised. And I was actually quite impressed, 175 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: you know, I thought they did well. Look, I don't 176 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: know actually when I say locally raised, maybe they go 177 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: to Australia and play cricket in North Queensland or Brisbane 178 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: or whatever and then are available for Papua New Guinea. 179 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: But they were certainly Papa New Guineans, and yeah, I 180 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: thought they played pretty well and they could have won 181 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: that game. 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: Did I see that Papua New guineas coached by to 183 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: Tenda Taiboo? Is that correct? I think that's what I think. 184 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: That's what I saw, But it might be wrong. That 185 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: might be wrong. Yeah. 186 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: Anyway, a close one for the West Indies, who have 187 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: been called out by US and others as being a 188 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: sort of a smoky chance of the tournament. But you 189 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: do get the sense that they'll sort of build into 190 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: their power game as they get their alchemy going and 191 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: their team been pulled back together specifically for the tournament. 192 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: I watched a bit of Namibia versus Oman, who they 193 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: beat in a super over one hundred and nine all 194 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: out versus one hundred and nine for six And just 195 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: another reminder that David Visa, the man born in hal Teng, 196 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: is an absolute beast with bat and ball. For Namibia, 197 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: he was absolutely sensational three for twenty eight and then 198 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: walloped thirteen runs off four balls in the super over 199 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: as well. 200 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: And he looks a bit like Dave Grohl. 201 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: He looks like he kind of doesn't really want to 202 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: be there, and then the interview after the match and 203 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: he seems like the nicest bloke in the world. 204 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I watched the Sisters in Bridge Down, Barbados 205 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: and again the wicket looked really trickily, you looked tricky 206 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 3: to bed on and it was a low scoring thriller. 207 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: I think is the cliche you use at times like 208 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: this And then suddenly you get to super over and 209 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: it's twenty one off it and so Omaran didn't have 210 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: a chance of chasing that down. I think there were 211 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: after five balls they were one for four and the 212 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: super over so always tricky to get that required eighteen 213 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: off the final ball. Need a lot of things to 214 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: go your way, really, but. 215 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: Again that guy, you need the guy for Canada to 216 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: be bowling. 217 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: That's one way did right And again I looked up 218 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: birth places for Oman and that's where I discovered that 219 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: they're all Pakistani or Indian. So yeah, obviously, I mean 220 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: they're not too far apart across the Gulf of Arabia, 221 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: is it. So obviously it's a pretty popular landing spot 222 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: for Pakistani immigrants. 223 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 2: Yes, someone's got to build the spectacular buildings and they 224 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: get rich and die trying, I think is the phrase. 225 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: So Africa beat Sri Lanka by six wickets with twenty 226 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: two balls rauning. 227 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: This was a bit of a game. I think you're 228 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: going to have some views on this pitch which I saw. 229 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: I think it was. 230 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 2: The Guardian described it as unscrupulous, which obviously means to 231 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: look that up, but it means unfair in that South 232 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: Africa played within there, within their means and they were 233 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: a bit nervous. I'm sure you've got some thoughts. I'm 234 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: keen to hear them, but we should just call out 235 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: on Rick Nurtzier four for not very many seven maybe 236 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: something something preposterous like that. And this new bloke that 237 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: I haven't seen, but apparently he was a superstar in 238 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: the South African t twenty helping the sun rises Eastern 239 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: Cape magnificently named Ott Neil Bartman not a Simpsons I 240 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: don't know there's a Simpsons connection there somewhere, but surely 241 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: if it's a surname, the parents didn't choose it. 242 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: And quite an interesting character. I understand. 243 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: He was eligible and asked to be to move sort 244 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: of from his country and village school to go to 245 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: those one of those posh schools in place water Wall 246 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: in South Africa. His mum said no, so he stayed 247 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: at his local village school, very academic and then as 248 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: kind of like a bit of a breakthrough star as 249 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: to be finally led off as a mother's apron strengthen 250 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: into the real world. He was sensational eighteen wickets at 251 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: eleven point eight in that South African Tea twenty comp 252 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: and it runs for over of. 253 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: Less than seven. He looks good. 254 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I don't want to cheapen what he did 255 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: because it is amazing and it's a great story. But 256 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 3: anyone could look good bowling on that wicket. And it's 257 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: such a shame because that was the game taken to 258 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 3: New York. They built this incredible modular stadium out of 259 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: a green park at Isahower Park, which is sort of 260 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: out west of sorry east of Queens like you're heading 261 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: right out into the Long Island Sound there, and amazing 262 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: job of doing it. But what they relied on was 263 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: dropping wickets that were built in Adelaide, then put on 264 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: boats and shipped over to Savannah, Georgia, then track down 265 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: to Florida to grow during the winter, and then tracked 266 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: up to New York and dropped in. Unfortunately, everything about 267 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: this venue relies on those wickets, which were created by 268 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: the guy from Adelaide Oval, the guy I think his 269 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: name's Damien Hoff. And it was unfortunately next to unplayable. 270 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: And I know the popular thing to think to say 271 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: during these sort of things is, oh, well, was it 272 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: really that bad? Was it that unplayable or was it 273 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 3: just poor batting? Nah? That was that was tough. It 274 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: was really hard work. And on one hand, I'm actually 275 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: surprised that it was Hoff that was allowed to do it, 276 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: because he's the guy that prepared the drop on wicket 277 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: where India all out for thirty something at the Adelaide Oval. 278 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: Some surprised the BC. 279 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Time doing this one let him share it, But. 280 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: I really wanted this game to work. I thought it 281 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: was the first of these well t twenty games between 282 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: two test playing nations. I wanted it to capture some imagination, 283 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: but it said it was slightly fascal unfortunately. 284 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an its ominous for the rest of the tournament. 285 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: There's a lot of faith being put in that New 286 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: York picture. It is preposterous really when you think about it. 287 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: You know, the architecture, the scale of the vision to 288 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: do what they've done, and incredible what has been done. 289 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, logistically and unbelievable. 290 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: But also completely unproven and an enormous risk, particularly when 291 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: you think about I think some of the tickets for 292 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: the English in India Pakistan game are selling for five 293 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: thousand US dollars. 294 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: Yep. 295 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: And you know you're looking at that game starting. Not 296 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: only is it a tricky picture, but I'm pretty sure 297 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: a local time that game starts at ten thirty or 298 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,359 Speaker 2: eleven o'clock. 299 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: In the morning. Yeah, it could be maybe they could 300 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: get to play twice. 301 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it does seem like, well, I've got a 302 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: feeling of trepidation about it as you. And it does 303 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: sound like your description of that picture is something a 304 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: bit harsher than unscrupulous DC. 305 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm played there. 306 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: A couple more games, just very quick. 307 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: Afghanistan absolutely annihilated Uganda by one hundred and twenty five 308 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: run When we can have a touch on the Afghanis 309 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: in a little bit when we preview that New Zealand game, 310 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: but this was an absolute blitzkrig And Faruki was the man. 311 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: He took five wickets, his first time he's taken five wickets. 312 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: And for Uganda, they looked incredibly. 313 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: It looked like a mino. 314 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: Confused when they were batting. They were sixty eight all out. 315 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: But they do have some of the best names, including 316 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: their fast bowl of my favorite cosmos kyah Water, which 317 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: I think is just one of the great names in 318 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: this World Cup. But yeah, what is it, fifty eight, 319 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: sixty eight whatever they got six years. 320 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: That was that they played like a genuine minnow. That 321 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: was the first time where you looked at it and went, oh, 322 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: some teams are going to get some severe hidings here. 323 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: They made Afghanistan look like well, actually shouldn't say that 324 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 3: because New Zealand And due to play them, but Afghanistan 325 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: looked like it was Usta playing New Zealand in the 326 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: nineties early nineties. 327 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: And then overnight Scotland visus England was washed out. 328 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: Scotland absolutely going hammer in ninety for nine lots of 329 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: rain about and yeah, unfortunate, another sort of ominous sign 330 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: for looking at the weather forecast, which we get into 331 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: in a sec And the Netherlands beaten Nepal with Takapuna's 332 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: finest max O Dowd anchoring the Netherlands chase as they 333 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: mowed down one hundred and six. 334 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: He was very calm, very composed and took them through. 335 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: I think they had seven balls to spare, eight balls 336 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: to spare or something. 337 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: Great atmosphere there really good right schoolcards DC. Yeah, yeah, 338 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: ground full of Nepalese and actually was a massive day 339 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 3: for the New Zealand contingent. Tim Pringle took three for twenty, 340 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: Logan van Beek took three for Raden and Maxo Dowd 341 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: got them home, as you said, with an unbeaten half century. 342 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: The Dutch cracked me up. Actually, I read an interview 343 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 3: with Scott Edwards earlier in this tournament. Remember the confidence 344 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: they took into the World Cup, you know, and Scott 345 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: is added again saying when we're at our best. No 346 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: one can beat us. We're a meta anyone that's that's cool, 347 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 3: Good on you, good luck. 348 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: And frankly, you know Nepole, but I've got some tricky 349 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: backers in there. There could have been a little bit 350 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: of a banana skin game. So good to see the 351 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 2: Netherlands seize their opportunity. And you know, they should be 352 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 2: a cut above, and it's good to see that they've 353 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: proved that, at least in the opening game. 354 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: I don't think Nepole had their best player. Who was 355 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: I think acquidted of rape charges recently, Lama Chane I 356 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: think his name is, but he still didn't get a 357 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: visa to get into the United States, which sounds probably 358 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: fair enough. So I don't think they are as strong 359 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 3: as they usually are. 360 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: Good point, Yeah, definitely, they're definitely their main man for sure. Hey, DCIC, 361 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: we'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll preview New 362 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: Zealand versus the Banana Skin Game Afghanistan. 363 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the b y C. 364 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: It's Paul fordam Dylan Clever here during the fat and 365 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: New Zealand finally going to get underway in a couple 366 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: of days. DC Game versus Afghanistan the opening game for 367 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: the Black Caps in the Cricket World Cup. They're playing 368 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: at Providence. I had a quick look the last four 369 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: winning scores at Providence in Georgetown, Guyana one hundred and 370 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: eighty three versus Uganda one hundred and thirty seven versus 371 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: pap in New Guinea one hundred and fifty five and 372 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty four. So the days of the 373 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: IPL two hundred and fifty plus scores are absolute dreamland. 374 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: I've seen a couple of scam hungering headlines. My favorite 375 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: was this one Paul rival Afghanistan sends warning to black 376 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: Cats with big opening win over Uganda. I'm not sure 377 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 2: that a win over the cricket cranes, which is what 378 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: Uganda are called, means a hell. 379 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: Of a lot. 380 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: Something that may be factored in here is New Zealand's flights. 381 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: But you'd hope that they'd be okay having traveled I 382 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: think Auckland, San Francisco, Houston, Georgetown, which I think is 383 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: about thirty four thirty five hours, but they'd had pretty 384 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: close to a week, I think, to acclimatize and get 385 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: over that get over that jet lag. 386 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: How do you see that one shaping up decent. 387 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: Well, I'm a little bit worried about this. All the 388 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: narrative or the kind of rhetoric coming out of the 389 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: New Zealand camp has been remarkably negative. He had sort 390 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: of talking about jet lag and weather bombs and sat 391 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: and there talking about what a chaotic start it's been 392 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: and how distorted the start of the tournament has been. 393 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: They've opted for no warm up games because the team 394 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: was coming in three different ways, because they were coming 395 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 3: from different parts of the parts of the world. It 396 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: look it actually sounded like a little bit of a shambles. 397 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 3: I haven't heard anyone sort of sitting there over there 398 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: going yeah, we're in great shape, can't wait to get 399 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: stuck into it. We've had some amazing together. Yeah, we've 400 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 3: had some amazing net sessions. It doesn't sound like you 401 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 3: can bere to get in the nets because of the weather. 402 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: I'd like you. I did a bit of digging on 403 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: this Providence ground. I looked at the twenty twenty three 404 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: Caribbean Premier League stats Sexy and they were that's where 405 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: the majority of the games were played. And it's a 406 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: decent pitch. It's like one hundred and sixty three average, 407 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 3: which is kind of above where most of the grounds 408 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 3: in the Caribbean are at the moment, and that average 409 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: would have been as high as one hundred and ninety 410 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: except in the final was a complete blowout where Trinidad Trinbago, sorry, 411 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: we're out for ninety four. You don't. There's no discernible 412 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: advantage to batting first or second. It's your bat first. 413 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: You win four out of the nine games, five out 414 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: of the nine games if you're batted second. And yeah, 415 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: it was. It seemed like kind of mid one sixties 416 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: was a decent total, which to me feels like what 417 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: a t twenty game with a reasonably even contest between 418 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: bat and ball should look like. It should be about 419 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: kind of one seventy. So it might not be quite 420 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: as slow and as turgid as some of the cricket 421 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 3: and the Caribbean has been over the last ten years, 422 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: just because of the low slow track. So it might 423 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: suit New Zealand. 424 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: That sounds well, that sounds promising. I'll tell you something 425 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: that doesn't sound promising is that Guyana, which is of 426 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: course quite an unusual country. I think when we think 427 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: of the western these we always think of these beautiful 428 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: tropical islands, and of course that the Guyana's on the 429 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: South American continent. It's the only English speaking on that continent. 430 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: It's basically in a maybe not a civil war, but 431 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: certainly a political battle with Venezuela. 432 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: I think over some oil. 433 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: There's a vein of the country that's contested in these 434 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: is a bit of a drama around that. But it's 435 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 2: also known for its tropical rainforests. Book site Gold and Timber. 436 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: But let's focus on the tropical rainforest because I can 437 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: tell you over the next few days it has sensational 438 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: conditions for growing a rainforest. It's the weather conditions from 439 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: Thursday thirty one showers, Friday thirty one thunderstorms and heavy showers, 440 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: and Saturday thirty one dull and dreary with showers, ninety 441 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 2: three percent chance of rain. So it is looking but 442 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm not sort of whenever we talk about this, they 443 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: pretty much always seem to get a game in. But 444 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: there's definitely going to be some rain about and I 445 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: don't know whether that's helpful or a hindrance to the 446 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: New Zealand team. 447 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a lottery, isn't it. I guess if 448 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: you know beforehand, it can play into your decision at 449 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: the toss. Most teams liked about second when there's rain about, 450 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: so you know what the Duckworth Lewis equation is, but 451 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: it doesn't always work that way. You go in as 452 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: a fascinating country. It's such an outlier in world cricket 453 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: and I've always been fascinated about it ever since. I 454 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 3: think I've read clave Lloyd's autobiography when I was about 455 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen, and to me it sounded quite idyllic. 456 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: Georgetown Goan sounded quite idlic But I've subsequently talked to 457 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 3: plenty of people who've been there and it's far from 458 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: my delic I think you have to be careful at night. 459 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: They definitely tell you don't go out in ones. Make 460 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: sure there's a group of you when you go out. 461 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 3: But I've piled and it's also a very curious place 462 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: in the Caribbean milieu in that it produces incredible batters 463 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: and virtually no fast bowlers at all. But I've compiled 464 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: again and he's all time eleven and I've had to 465 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: leave out some incredible batters. But I'm opening with Roy 466 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: Fredericks and Ramna Esh Sawan, Shivneren Chanderpaul's elevated to number three, 467 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: Basil Butcher's number four, Alvin Keller trans number five. Clyde 468 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: Lord is captaining the team at number six rowand can I, 469 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 3: the roan can I will be the best ever number seven. 470 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: He also has to wicket keep because they weren't rich 471 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,239 Speaker 3: in wicket keepers. Carl Hooper I've got coming him at 472 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 3: eight and he's a genuine all rounder in this team 473 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: ahead of Lance Gibbs who was the first bowl of 474 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: take three hundred Test wickets. Shama Joseph on very little evidence, 475 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 3: is already in the team at number ten, and Colin Croft, 476 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 3: no best known in New Zealand for the strange angle 477 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: of his run up, is batting number eleven. I couldn't 478 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: find a place for Roger Harper or Devendra Bishu, Himron 479 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: hit Meyer and several other batters. Actually, so it's a 480 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: it's powerful all time eleven. 481 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: Pretty good. 482 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, I'm glad that Tjenerine Chanderpaul 483 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: did not make your team. I'm happy with that. A 484 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: couple of bits and pieces for you. I never knew 485 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: that Larance Gibbs was Clive Lloyd cousin, first cousin. So yeah, 486 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: thick as thieves. Obviously a real fraternity amongst the Guyanese 487 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: players as well. 488 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: You mentioned Besil Butcher. 489 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: Now I don't know a hell of a lot about him, 490 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: but he was an amazing player back in the in 491 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: the fifties with your mate Can I and then Can 492 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: I Is that what he said? 493 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: And another guy called Joe Solomon. Yeah, yeah, and. 494 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: They they were they all worked together on this sugar 495 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: plantation in Port Morant, and there was a guy called 496 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: Clyde Walcott. 497 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: A legendary batner from Barbados. 498 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 3: I think, one of the three ws who. 499 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: Looked after them, and so he was employed. How good 500 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: is this? So Clyde Walcott was employed by the local 501 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: Sugar Producers Association to be the cricket organizer for the 502 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: Port Morant sugar Plantation cricket team. 503 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: And he was amazing at the guys developed their own 504 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: technique and turn into these pridigious talents. So, yeah, a 505 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: really awesome story. And yeah, I guess where you get 506 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 2: to around this is it's incredible that the westerns is 507 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: just this train smashed together of lots of these extraordinary countries, 508 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: each of which have their own strengths and weaknesses and 509 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: could probably and. 510 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: Have historically been teams in and of their own right. 511 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: And you wonder whether it's going to go back to 512 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 2: that as Western East Cricket teams to looks like it's 513 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: going to fragment. 514 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: Hey, and what. 515 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: About this new Zealand team DC, who is actually going 516 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: to play? Have you got an eleven for us? And 517 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: have you got a I don't know a couple of things. 518 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: I'm conscious with Stevin Conway coming back here with thumb injury, 519 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: Fan Allen's got a back injury. Glen Phillips didn't play 520 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: in the IPL. Ken Williamston only played a couple. We've 521 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: got nine guys that have been in the pressure cooker 522 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: of the IPL, but they've got, as I mentioned, thirty 523 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: to forty hours of travel, a big gap before the 524 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: first game. 525 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: There's a few things to sort out that we haven't 526 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: sorted out. 527 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: It seems the leaning heavily on experience. It's not a 528 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 3: I think I mentioned this last week when we had 529 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 3: a soft relaunch, but it's not a team that fills 530 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: me with a huge amount of anticipation or excitement. Actually, 531 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 3: I presume they will open with Allan and I think 532 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 3: Conway has to because he's unless they have a real 533 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: voulta Facha and decide that Glen Phillips is in fact 534 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: a wiki keeper non lost, and I think Conway has 535 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 3: to wicked keep. Williamson clearly has to play, he has 536 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: to captain, so he's got to be in the top three. 537 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: So there, so Alan has to do a lot of 538 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 3: heavy lifting in that top three to get the scoring 539 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: rate after a stroke rade after a decent clip. I 540 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: think Mitchell probably bats four ahead of Chapman, and then 541 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: they would have Phillips at five, and then I'm just 542 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: completely confused. I've gone for bracewooll Nesham, Santana, Sody, Ferguson Bolt. 543 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: But you can make an argument that Chapman could be 544 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: in there. You can make an argument that Henry should 545 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: be in there. You can make it certainly make an 546 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: argument that Sody shouldn't be in there. Revendra doesn't get 547 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 3: a looking for me, but you know, personally I would 548 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: have him in there, but I don't know how you 549 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: can play him in the eleven with the way they 550 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 3: configure that squad. It's a real it's a bit of 551 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 3: a dog's Breakfast. For me. To be honest, I have 552 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: not really settled. I picked that eleven, but I'm really 553 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 3: unsettled about it, and you can talk me out of 554 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 3: it any which way you want. 555 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I've got to get I feel like Revenger 556 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 2: and Chapman are kind of battling for the same position, 557 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: so I've got them in a in a duel to 558 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: the death at that number six, and I'm going to 559 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: go for I would pick Revenger. I think they'll pick Chapman. 560 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: I think Chapman's got a He's been good over the 561 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: last twelve months for New Zealand so and did some 562 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 2: good things in Pakistan, so fair enough. I'm not sort 563 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: of dying on a hell over that. Then I'm going 564 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: Nishan or Bracewell, and I'm going to pick Bracefel because 565 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: I think I just I'm reading the tea leaps from 566 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 2: from Gary stead Stain, there's a lock for me. I 567 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: think that they will pick Saudi. I'm not picking Sody 568 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: and I'm not picking Henry, and then it's Ferguson and 569 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: Bolt for me. 570 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, but yeah, just it does feel like 571 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: New Zealand does have a very interchangeable team. 572 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: So when I went through and did my deafinits, that's 573 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: what I always do. First, I put in the ones 574 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: that will definitely there's no way they're going to miss out, 575 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: and I had Alan Komway Williamson and again it's not 576 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: a top three I particularly like, but just because of 577 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: the situation with the wicked keeper, it has to be that. 578 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: So had those three and then I went down to 579 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: Santana at a was as my next definite, and then 580 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 3: ferguson a Bolt at ten and eleven, so they were 581 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: I had six definites. The rest that's just throwing stuff 582 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: in the air and depending on which way it lands, 583 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: you know. 584 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 1: And frankly it should be good enough. That's the other 585 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: thing as well. 586 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's not like it's not like we're not 587 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: using between guys that are shockingly bad. 588 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: It's actually an embarrassment of strength and away. 589 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think the one thing that 590 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: you would say that New Zealand is potentially missing is 591 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: just that absolutely blockbusting slogathon at the top. And yeah, 592 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: as you say, a lot of pressure on Allen. 593 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: It's non embarrassment of strike great strength at the top 594 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: I think that is the Achilles heel of this team. 595 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: And you wonder when is it time to give Robinson 596 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: a fair crack at it or something like that, But 597 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: then a very good player has to miss out. 598 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: So and but Afghanistan, I guess a lot of pressure 599 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: on there, a lot of pressure, a lot of stock 600 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: put in there, a bit like Pakistani really on their openers, right, 601 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: Ibrahim Zadran Raman la Gerbars. 602 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean they put one hundred and fifty four against Uganda. 603 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean. 604 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: Anything, but you know that they are going to be 605 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: super hyper magnificently aggressive. 606 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: They're great to watch. 607 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 2: They go absolutely balls to the wall in terms of 608 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: that opening partnership. And then it's all about the old 609 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: dogs Rashid Khan and navinol Hark generally with the ball, 610 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: although as mentioned earlier, fuzzle Hart Faruki taking five to 611 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: nine against Uganda probably about a ninety percent discount on that, 612 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: but that feels like their main weapons. 613 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: Muji is Mujib playing he's I always seem to have 614 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 3: this little mild panic and anxiety about coming up against 615 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 3: Afghaniststan spinners. But unless I'm mistake, in New Zealand always 616 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: does well again against him, don't they. I don't. I 617 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: don't think they've tripped us up like they have other teams. 618 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, and I think maybe you're 619 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: hearing some of that sort of weariness. You know, you 620 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't say that as as you said, you know, New 621 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: Zealand are hardly going into this game supremely confident. So yeah, 622 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: I think they'll be doing there. They'll be doing their 623 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: homework as well. Afghanistan. You know their coach Jonathan Trump 624 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: obviously a smart fellow. And they've also got the guy 625 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: that you may have heard of, Dwayne Bravo, who was 626 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: their bowling advisor. Obviously a bit of a hometown advantage 627 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: there for him, although not so sure how much help 628 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: he'll be providing to the spinners. But yes, hey we 629 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: should grab a quick break and then DC, I think 630 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: you've got a quiz for us and I'll bring us 631 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: back with a bit of cricket violence. Welcome back to 632 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: the by C and DC, I understand you've got a 633 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: quiz question for us over between Guyana and New Zealand. 634 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. I just wanted to stretch this Guyanese theme as 635 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: far as I possibly could, and look, if you can 636 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: name the test cricketer from Guyana who died in Hamilton, 637 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: New Zealand two years ago, the first person that pops 638 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: out into our in box, and Paul will give the 639 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: details to that and just a bit we'll get a 640 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 3: shout out next week and an optional Jason Hoyt Stripper 641 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: Gram at your workplace. So you choose. You either get 642 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: a shout out on the BYC or hoiti in for 643 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: a stripper Gram. We have to check his available obviously, 644 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: but yeah, can you name the test cricketer from Guyana 645 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: who died in Hamilton, New Zealand in twenty twenty two? 646 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: Do you know the answer? Paul? 647 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: I think I actually do. 648 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: I'm not going to spoil it, and you know I 649 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 2: definitely want someone to win a Jason Hoyt Stripper Gram. 650 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: We may have to kidnap him sort of like scg 651 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: McGill and get him to that stripper Gram destination, but 652 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: that's a cable. We can do that for the team. 653 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, flick us an email to BYC at Basebrigade 654 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: dot co dot nzen or slide into the DMS of 655 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: the Alternative Commentary Collective or the Base Brigade on Instagram 656 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: or Facebook with that answer, and while you're at it, 657 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: if you've got a short way epistle, flick that through 658 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: to us as well. We'd love to hear from you 659 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: getting back on the horse over the course of the 660 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: cricket Will Cup. It'll be fantastic to hear from our 661 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 2: loyal and non loyal listeners over the next few weeks. 662 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: Paul Forward's Cricket violence Corner. Well, this week we are 663 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: in Australia. It is official. Disgraced former cricketer Michael Slater's 664 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: name is being wipe from history in his home city. 665 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: The Wogga Wogga City councilors have voted in favor of 666 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: changing the name of Michael Slater Oval. This honor for 667 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: the test batter was unveiled in twenty fourteen. Fellow Wogga 668 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: products and former international cricketers Mark Taylor and Jeff Lawson 669 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: also have Ovals named in their honor in Wogga Wogga, 670 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: colloquially dubbed the city is dubbed the City of Good 671 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: Sports for its history of producing top athletes. But Michael 672 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: Slater Oval will be no more after councilors voted four 673 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: to three in favor of changing the name. Of course, 674 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: the fifty four year old was last month refused bailed 675 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: by our Sunshine Coast course at court as he faces 676 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: nineteen charges relating to domestic violence. I've got a couple 677 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: of nominations for the Oval, Sam Moran from the Wiggles, 678 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: so the I don't think anyone would be crossing that out. 679 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: Dame Edna Everidge, I'm not sure how open minded they are. 680 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: And Wogga Wogga, but she's from that neck of the woods. 681 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: And this one speaking of crossovers between Australia and New Zealand, 682 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: what about Raylene the Castle Oval, I think that could 683 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: confuse enough Australians. 684 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: She is a product of Wogga Wogga as well. 685 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: So there we go a couple of suggestions from me 686 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: to fix Wogga Wogger DC over to you. 687 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 3: Really sad story there as she and I was reading 688 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: a couple of the comments from the counselors who voted 689 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: to retain the name, and it didn't give you a 690 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 3: lot of hope for Australia, for inland rural Australia, with 691 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 3: some of the thinking that went into some of the 692 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 3: defenses of Michael Stada. But anyway, we'll move right on. 693 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 3: I've got a little bit of correspondence. This one's from 694 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: Simon Sherbert and it relates to last week's conversation about 695 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 3: the IPL and he said, Hey, Leaz, just wondering what 696 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 3: is to stop IPL owners buying into the Super Smash. 697 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing to stop them as not 698 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: for sale. But apart from that, pul forward, do you 699 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: have any thoughts off the top of your head. 700 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: It's a really interesting one and I guess it's a 701 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 2: real dilemma that countries that currently have not engaged private 702 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: ownership into their T twenty franchises. I England, who are 703 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: obviously contemplating doing that it's about to happen. Australia are 704 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: in a well, there's lots of discussion about that becoming 705 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: a thing for the Big Bash. Look, I think I 706 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: do wonder whether the market has been subtly tested and 707 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: there's kind of no interest. 708 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: I would imagine, you. 709 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 2: Know it potentially is I think that the primary issue 710 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: that we've that they've got at the moment is where 711 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: does the Super Smash. 712 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: New Zealand's a complicated place to get to. 713 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 3: Time zone is terrible. 714 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: The time zone is terrible and also now you've got 715 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: the added complexity of the New Zealand summer competing with 716 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 2: Major League Cricket in the United States and also the 717 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: South African competition. So you know, arguably you could say 718 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 2: it's quite a good idea. It's maybe the direction that 719 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: the world is turning, but maybe it has turned too 720 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: far for New Zealand to even contemplate doing that. You know, 721 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 2: we've talked before on the b YC about maybe New 722 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: Zealand's place in the world around or the supersmashes place 723 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 2: in the world around that is to be a feeder 724 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 2: competition for one of the others feels more realistic unfortunately. 725 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 3: And that's where I think there is. That's the only 726 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: kind of realistic proposition is that you'd buy into the 727 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: New Zealand competition if you're using it as a development 728 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 3: vehicle for talent. Essentially, you're not buying it as a 729 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 3: broadcast vehicle because no one wants to watch even in India, 730 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: you're not watching cricket at that time of the day 731 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: because it's just such a dreadful time zone. So it 732 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: would be a development because they simply can't get all 733 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 3: the young talent that they've got there enough game time 734 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 3: and again, where's the attraction for New Zealand and that 735 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 3: apart from, you know, a few million rupees coming in? 736 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 3: Do we want to turn the super smash into a 737 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 3: development vehicle a young Indian talent or other talent that 738 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 3: they own from other countries that aren't getting game time 739 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: necessarily in the South African one or the IPL. It's 740 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 3: very complicated, but I'm and again that is why I 741 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 3: would love to see what New Zealand crickets strategy around 742 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 3: this globalization of T twenty cricketers and specifically towards the IPL, 743 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 3: because there is going to be massive change in this area. 744 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 2: I think the other thing that's in my head around this, 745 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 2: and it's not a fully formed thought, but you know, 746 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: and it's almost sort of potentially it's slightly humiliating the 747 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: New Zealand cricket to contemplate, but maybe our place in 748 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 2: the world around this is actually becoming a development league 749 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 2: for some of these teams and some of the players 750 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 2: that are actually going around on this World Cup who 751 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 2: aren't the superstars, and it's going to end up being afghanie, Ugandans, 752 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: players from Oman Netherlands and that becomes New New Zealand 753 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: kind of calves out its place as a sort of 754 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 2: secondary part of a secondary world tour which has not 755 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: yet emerged, but eventually, as the IPL franchises take their 756 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 2: kind of Formula one tier of cricketers, including lots of 757 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: the big dogs from New Zealand as well, take them 758 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: up onto these full time contracts to play all around 759 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: the world in a various different competitions for teams that 760 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 2: they own, there's going to be a bunch of players 761 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 2: who are left behind who either aspire to be in 762 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 2: that next tier or who are quite comfortable going around 763 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: the world playing cricket and getting paid decent money without 764 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: becoming squillionaires. And maybe realistically that's a more pragmatic place 765 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 2: for New Zealand to end up in the cricketing universe. 766 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 2: I'm not sort of advocating for that, just being realistic. 767 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 2: And on that note, thanks for downloading and tuning into 768 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 2: the BYC. 769 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: It's quite nice to be back. We will also be 770 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: back on Monday too, with some glee or some gloom. 771 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 2: We'll be giving our hot take on the inaugural New 772 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: Zealand game versus the Misogynists of Afghanistan plus we'll be 773 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 2: reviewing and previewing the other matches of the tournament in 774 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: the meantime, feel free to get in touch over the 775 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: weekend by emailing at b y C at basebagade dot co, 776 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 2: dot m Z and go the Bloody Black Cats eleven 777 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: thirty am Saturday morning. 778 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 3: Come on