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Speaker 1: Tougher sentences on the way for the courts forty percent

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Speaker 1: sentence reduction cap New aggravating factors that will increase sentences

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Speaker 1: potentially includes offenses against people working alone, that's your dairies,

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Speaker 1: those whose home and businesses are attached. Change is set

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Speaker 1: to increase. They think the prison population by somewhere between

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Speaker 1: about fourteen hundred ish to seventeen hundred ish annually for

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Speaker 1: the next ten years. Corrections Association President Floyd Duplas's backward

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Speaker 1: Floyd morning, Good morning. Are you looking to be inundated

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Speaker 1: with new prisoners do you think? Or we just don't know.

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Speaker 2: We definitely expect a increase. Will it be as large

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Speaker 2: as that?

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Speaker 1: We just don't know unless they build new spaces. Are

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Speaker 1: you full?

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Speaker 2: We are currently full with what's open. So there is

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Speaker 2: ran another two thousand beds in theory available, but we're

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Speaker 2: not staffed for it as yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And staffing and recruitment, I think Mark Mitchell was

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Speaker 1: in front of somebody last week in the Scrutiny Week thing.

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Speaker 1: He said there's a lot of applications. Recruitment's going reasonably well.

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Speaker 1: Is that true or not?

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of applications. One of the concerns

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Speaker 2: we still have is while having a lot of applications

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Speaker 2: sounds good, how many of those applications of viable candidates

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Speaker 2: and actually go through to employment? And that number has improved,

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Speaker 2: but it's definitely not as high as it needs to be.

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Speaker 1: So that campaign seems to on the surface anyway, to

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Speaker 1: have worked. The big ag campaign that's run about being

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Speaker 1: a corrections officer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the recent campaign, they definitely did improve things.

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Speaker 2: It gave a slightly more honest opinion on the fact

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Speaker 2: that staff do do things. So it has helped and

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Speaker 2: has improved. What we do need though, is we need

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Speaker 2: a bit more of a focus on getting real people

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Speaker 2: in through the door and into employment.

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Speaker 1: What interesting me about the debate we're having at the moment.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get more prisoners, what are we doing

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Speaker 1: in this country? Are we doing that to put them

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Speaker 1: away to rehab them so they don't go back again,

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Speaker 1: or are we just simply putting them away to sober

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Speaker 1: problem for now? What's your view?

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately historically we just put them away to solve the problem.

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Speaker 2: It's something that does need a massive overhall. I know

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Speaker 2: the Minister has stated that he's got a big focus

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Speaker 2: on that and to improve the access two programs and

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Speaker 2: meaningful change. So that is something that they have committed

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Speaker 2: to work on, but it is a piece of work

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Speaker 2: that absolutely is needed. We have a history of putting

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Speaker 2: people in, pretending to rehab them and then sending them

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Speaker 2: out and it's a ritis cycle. And so yes, it

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Speaker 2: is something needs a massive focus.

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Speaker 1: If you stuck me in prison today and I want

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Speaker 1: to be rehabbed, can I be and successfully and will? No?

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Speaker 2: There is only a very small portion of the population

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Speaker 2: that does get meaningful rehab and a change. But it

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Speaker 2: is a very small portion and that's the problem. It

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Speaker 2: needs to be a far more widespread and it needs

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Speaker 2: to be more targeted to the reality of what jobs

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Speaker 2: are out there. So giving some of our program it

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Speaker 2: says how you need to be you're nicer person. It's

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Speaker 2: all going well, but we need to give them skills

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Speaker 2: and training and areas where they will get employment and

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Speaker 2: that's the big change that is needed.

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Speaker 1: All right, Bloyd, appreciate your INSIGHTE Floyd douplus Ce Corrections Association,

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