1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:14,267 Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZB James mccaroney, Hello mate. 3 00:00:14,947 --> 00:00:17,547 Speaker 2: Get a piney. How are you? Yes, enjoying all the calls, 4 00:00:17,627 --> 00:00:20,627 Speaker 2: but also I've got a plan for the NPC. Can 5 00:00:20,707 --> 00:00:21,267 Speaker 2: I put you go on? 6 00:00:21,627 --> 00:00:23,787 Speaker 3: Yeah? Can I please please watch your pitch? 7 00:00:24,547 --> 00:00:27,987 Speaker 2: My pitch is that apart from Friday night, it's daytime rugby, 8 00:00:28,187 --> 00:00:30,627 Speaker 2: no kickoff later than five pm. People have said that, 9 00:00:30,867 --> 00:00:34,867 Speaker 2: but especially with the Friday night game, like cities like Auckland. 10 00:00:35,267 --> 00:00:37,587 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think Pokakoe Counties would want a 11 00:00:37,627 --> 00:00:39,667 Speaker 2: Friday night game, So it has to be you know, 12 00:00:40,667 --> 00:00:42,387 Speaker 2: the union has to want it and be able to 13 00:00:42,467 --> 00:00:46,307 Speaker 2: market it properly. So then there's that three conferences the 14 00:00:46,427 --> 00:00:51,667 Speaker 2: South before teams on the South Island south of Otago, Canterbury, Tasman, 15 00:00:51,987 --> 00:00:54,707 Speaker 2: Central Wellington one of a two Hawks, Bay and Tallanaki, 16 00:00:55,027 --> 00:00:58,347 Speaker 2: and then North has the six remaining teams, So from 17 00:00:58,707 --> 00:01:01,227 Speaker 2: Bakland all the way up to Northland and you have 18 00:01:01,267 --> 00:01:03,707 Speaker 2: a top seven with the number one team going straight 19 00:01:03,787 --> 00:01:06,547 Speaker 2: to the semi finals, et cetera, et cetera, and you 20 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:10,267 Speaker 2: trial new laws. So the rolling more tries are worth less. 21 00:01:10,627 --> 00:01:13,747 Speaker 2: You can make a box kick because they suck, and 22 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:16,667 Speaker 2: then you know, just basically tinker with the laws even 23 00:01:16,947 --> 00:01:19,627 Speaker 2: limit the number of picking goes and one out runs 24 00:01:19,667 --> 00:01:21,587 Speaker 2: as well. You know, then you have to pass the 25 00:01:21,627 --> 00:01:24,667 Speaker 2: all you know, more than more than once or something, 26 00:01:24,707 --> 00:01:26,627 Speaker 2: which is what you actually do a lot of junior 27 00:01:26,707 --> 00:01:29,787 Speaker 2: rugby and league. You can't just run up from dummy 28 00:01:29,867 --> 00:01:31,667 Speaker 2: hars and stuff, and it works quite well. 29 00:01:32,227 --> 00:01:35,467 Speaker 3: Innovation. I love the innovation. We have to think outside 30 00:01:35,467 --> 00:01:37,267 Speaker 3: the box, don't we We have to do we can't 31 00:01:37,307 --> 00:01:39,907 Speaker 3: just keep on doing what we've always done, you know, 32 00:01:39,987 --> 00:01:42,907 Speaker 3: in a in a changing landscape like this. I think 33 00:01:42,947 --> 00:01:44,867 Speaker 3: I love the conferences. I think that would you know, 34 00:01:45,027 --> 00:01:48,787 Speaker 3: that would compel you know, those those existing rivalries to 35 00:01:48,827 --> 00:01:50,787 Speaker 3: become perhaps even more passionate. 36 00:01:51,107 --> 00:01:51,507 Speaker 2: I like it. 37 00:01:51,587 --> 00:01:53,547 Speaker 3: You need to pitch, Yeah, you need to pitch it 38 00:01:53,627 --> 00:01:57,027 Speaker 3: to whoever it is that makes these decisions at HQ. 39 00:01:58,107 --> 00:02:00,467 Speaker 2: Yeah. How many more months have I got with Mark Robinson? 40 00:02:00,547 --> 00:02:02,867 Speaker 2: I can maybe ask him for an audience just you 41 00:02:02,947 --> 00:02:05,107 Speaker 2: know where he slips out the door. But saving on 42 00:02:05,227 --> 00:02:07,227 Speaker 2: travel would be a big thing, I reckon, because you're 43 00:02:07,267 --> 00:02:09,667 Speaker 2: just going to you're going to reduce costs this day 44 00:02:09,707 --> 00:02:10,507 Speaker 2: and age. We all know that. 45 00:02:10,627 --> 00:02:13,027 Speaker 3: Poney, yep, absolutely right. 46 00:02:13,067 --> 00:02:13,547 Speaker 2: Well I like you. 47 00:02:13,707 --> 00:02:15,467 Speaker 3: I like the way you're thinking. Hey, now when we 48 00:02:15,587 --> 00:02:17,187 Speaker 3: speak in a week from now, you'll be a super 49 00:02:17,267 --> 00:02:20,467 Speaker 3: rugby champion. Surely the Chiefs will win it. 50 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:25,027 Speaker 2: No more baiting, please, The Master Beata is in the house. 51 00:02:25,067 --> 00:02:27,947 Speaker 2: And I tell you what I can't deal with. I 52 00:02:28,227 --> 00:02:30,107 Speaker 2: I was hoping that Brumbies would win because I just 53 00:02:30,147 --> 00:02:33,307 Speaker 2: don't want to deal with another disappointing final. I don't 54 00:02:33,307 --> 00:02:36,147 Speaker 2: want to see Rob Penny breakdance these things that we 55 00:02:36,307 --> 00:02:38,987 Speaker 2: have to win last night. Because now we go to 56 00:02:39,067 --> 00:02:43,067 Speaker 2: christ Church. The biggest task, the toughest task the hospital 57 00:02:43,147 --> 00:02:46,067 Speaker 2: pass and all of rugby is to go and win 58 00:02:46,147 --> 00:02:49,467 Speaker 2: down there. I mean, yeah, the Chiefs are a chance, 59 00:02:49,627 --> 00:02:51,267 Speaker 2: but your thoughts piney. 60 00:02:51,267 --> 00:02:51,747 Speaker 1: No, I. 61 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:56,827 Speaker 3: Look, it is a coin flip. I've been saying all afternoon. 62 00:02:56,867 --> 00:02:58,987 Speaker 3: The tab can't say bright them a dollar ninety each. 63 00:03:00,427 --> 00:03:03,427 Speaker 3: I honestly think the Chiefs can do it. I think 64 00:03:03,507 --> 00:03:06,107 Speaker 3: they can go down there and do it. There's these 65 00:03:06,507 --> 00:03:09,307 Speaker 3: findable things. Clayton McMillan will be heading away. 66 00:03:09,427 --> 00:03:09,547 Speaker 1: You know. 67 00:03:09,667 --> 00:03:12,387 Speaker 3: I know that doesn't count for anything on the scoreboard, 68 00:03:12,427 --> 00:03:15,827 Speaker 3: but doesn't count for something inside that playing group because 69 00:03:15,827 --> 00:03:18,507 Speaker 3: we know how much they they love him. The Damien 70 00:03:18,587 --> 00:03:21,467 Speaker 3: Mackenzie factor for me is massive. I think if it 71 00:03:21,587 --> 00:03:25,387 Speaker 3: was if the Crusaders had Bowden, Barrett or Richie Muonga, 72 00:03:25,747 --> 00:03:28,427 Speaker 3: then would be having a different conversation. I like Rivers Rahana, 73 00:03:28,747 --> 00:03:32,387 Speaker 3: but Dmak in big moments can be a game changer. 74 00:03:32,987 --> 00:03:35,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Dmak will have more touches than 75 00:03:35,667 --> 00:03:38,347 Speaker 2: Bowden had on Friday Night. I think he's so involved 76 00:03:38,387 --> 00:03:41,267 Speaker 2: in the game as even with his with that defense, 77 00:03:41,387 --> 00:03:44,547 Speaker 2: defensive play, He's just everywhere, and I think that will 78 00:03:44,587 --> 00:03:48,147 Speaker 2: be a huge help. You could argue that the Crusaders 79 00:03:48,187 --> 00:03:50,867 Speaker 2: had the edge in the forwards and the Chiefs maybe 80 00:03:50,947 --> 00:03:52,667 Speaker 2: have an edge in the backs, but then we're waiting 81 00:03:52,707 --> 00:03:56,427 Speaker 2: on Sean Stevenson and I agree with your text before 82 00:03:56,587 --> 00:03:58,747 Speaker 2: saying it's any nine. Nice of Tuto for me would 83 00:03:58,787 --> 00:04:02,107 Speaker 2: be the logical replacement good big left food on him 84 00:04:02,147 --> 00:04:04,667 Speaker 2: as well so he can kick, which will be needed. 85 00:04:04,987 --> 00:04:07,147 Speaker 2: But my biggest concern is I think Will Jordan is 86 00:04:07,187 --> 00:04:09,067 Speaker 2: the best rugby player and he's Yellen at the moment, 87 00:04:09,187 --> 00:04:11,467 Speaker 2: back or forward, and he's got a bug knee and 88 00:04:11,547 --> 00:04:15,307 Speaker 2: he's still the best in show as far as I'm concerned. 89 00:04:15,787 --> 00:04:19,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible player. Hey, I'm just on on the forward battle. 90 00:04:19,907 --> 00:04:22,627 Speaker 3: How good's Christian Leo will He Bean? He's a player, 91 00:04:22,747 --> 00:04:22,987 Speaker 3: isn't he. 92 00:04:23,867 --> 00:04:26,307 Speaker 2: Oh No, he's amazing. The massy boy from out west 93 00:04:26,387 --> 00:04:29,627 Speaker 2: here choir boy. You know, he's just one of those guys. 94 00:04:29,707 --> 00:04:31,787 Speaker 2: And I mean, raising needs to take credit. Probably one 95 00:04:31,787 --> 00:04:35,427 Speaker 2: of the best sign of you know, scouts of diamonds 96 00:04:35,467 --> 00:04:38,107 Speaker 2: in the rough. You know, fitzu Douglas was another one 97 00:04:38,147 --> 00:04:40,227 Speaker 2: that he brought down there come or come or you 98 00:04:40,307 --> 00:04:44,227 Speaker 2: know those guys that have come flourished in the Crusaders, 99 00:04:44,707 --> 00:04:48,027 Speaker 2: you know, Jordan til four before that. There's just so 100 00:04:48,147 --> 00:04:50,627 Speaker 2: many players that they take and turn into champions. I 101 00:04:50,747 --> 00:04:53,707 Speaker 2: love Christian Leo Willie and I think though our Chiefs 102 00:04:53,787 --> 00:04:58,227 Speaker 2: lose forwards, they with with our top loose forwards out there. 103 00:04:58,387 --> 00:05:00,587 Speaker 2: And I think Simon Parker probably needs to come back 104 00:05:00,627 --> 00:05:03,267 Speaker 2: into the mix because he's had a good season. But 105 00:05:03,747 --> 00:05:08,227 Speaker 2: Jacobson slowly turning into Sam kne you know, just cleaning 106 00:05:08,307 --> 00:05:14,227 Speaker 2: the ball perfectly so we get better possession. And obviously 107 00:05:14,387 --> 00:05:17,147 Speaker 2: while of the TT is still trying and he's got 108 00:05:17,267 --> 00:05:20,347 Speaker 2: that ankle strapped up, but I think he'll be another 109 00:05:20,427 --> 00:05:23,467 Speaker 2: week and probably a game not as physical as the 110 00:05:23,547 --> 00:05:27,307 Speaker 2: Crusader's Blues game will help. So my one thing I 111 00:05:27,387 --> 00:05:30,107 Speaker 2: would say before we move off Super Rugby is out wide, 112 00:05:30,587 --> 00:05:32,707 Speaker 2: the Chiefs have some real razz or dazzle. But if 113 00:05:32,707 --> 00:05:35,627 Speaker 2: you noticed even last night, the difference they made was 114 00:05:35,707 --> 00:05:38,387 Speaker 2: mainly through the middle. So Nadawa with the pick and 115 00:05:38,427 --> 00:05:40,667 Speaker 2: go and a couple of breaks up the center. There 116 00:05:40,747 --> 00:05:43,707 Speaker 2: was an assist from Leroy Cardiff right in front of 117 00:05:43,747 --> 00:05:46,467 Speaker 2: the posts. So sometimes it's not out wide where you 118 00:05:46,547 --> 00:05:48,347 Speaker 2: get the impact from these guys, so watch for that 119 00:05:48,547 --> 00:05:48,867 Speaker 2: as well. 120 00:05:48,987 --> 00:05:51,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, and tight games as well. You're so right, Well 121 00:05:51,187 --> 00:05:53,427 Speaker 3: Will Jordan with a pick and go try on Friday night? 122 00:05:53,707 --> 00:05:56,387 Speaker 3: You know that's not Will Jordan's you know, normal method 123 00:05:56,467 --> 00:05:59,627 Speaker 3: of scoring isn't. But you're so right, And yeah, there 124 00:05:59,627 --> 00:06:01,707 Speaker 3: we be lots of water chat about across the week. Yeah, 125 00:06:01,747 --> 00:06:03,467 Speaker 3: let's see where we are all week from now. Hey, 126 00:06:03,547 --> 00:06:07,267 Speaker 3: other matters around, Ryan Fox continues has rise. I mean, 127 00:06:07,547 --> 00:06:09,587 Speaker 3: he obviously is out of contention at the US Open, 128 00:06:09,627 --> 00:06:11,907 Speaker 3: but he's playing in the US Open. He's playing the 129 00:06:11,987 --> 00:06:13,987 Speaker 3: weekend at the US Open. 130 00:06:15,267 --> 00:06:18,027 Speaker 2: Exactly. I mean, I love the rise of Ryan Fox 131 00:06:18,107 --> 00:06:21,467 Speaker 2: has been an incredible story and his reconnecting with his 132 00:06:21,587 --> 00:06:24,627 Speaker 2: old coach, Marcus Wheelhouse, has made a huge difference to him. 133 00:06:25,027 --> 00:06:28,507 Speaker 2: Just confidence. Those two guys just bounce off each other 134 00:06:28,747 --> 00:06:31,587 Speaker 2: and gel really well. And I don't know. I know 135 00:06:31,707 --> 00:06:34,427 Speaker 2: for a fact that when Marcus Wheelhouse is overseas with 136 00:06:34,547 --> 00:06:38,267 Speaker 2: Ryan Fox, he tends to phone his wife Melody Robinson 137 00:06:38,507 --> 00:06:41,387 Speaker 2: less because he's having such a good time with Foxy 138 00:06:41,947 --> 00:06:45,427 Speaker 2: that just you know, I mean, it makes a difference. Right, 139 00:06:45,987 --> 00:06:49,067 Speaker 2: other times he's zooming and he's face timing, but a 140 00:06:49,427 --> 00:06:51,987 Speaker 2: when he's with Foxy, he's having the time of his life. 141 00:06:52,027 --> 00:06:55,427 Speaker 2: And I think that makes a big difference. As you No, Pinty, 142 00:06:55,467 --> 00:06:58,867 Speaker 2: you're on tour probably facetiming and missus all the time, right, yeah. 143 00:06:58,667 --> 00:07:01,627 Speaker 3: Oh no, we do tend to chant, yeah, reasonably regularly. 144 00:07:01,707 --> 00:07:04,187 Speaker 3: But I don't know. I don't know Melody Robinson or 145 00:07:04,347 --> 00:07:06,747 Speaker 3: Marcus Wheelhouse well at all. Obviously had a bit to 146 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:09,147 Speaker 3: do with both of them, but I reckon they've obviously 147 00:07:09,187 --> 00:07:11,307 Speaker 3: come to some sort of arrangement that works for everybody. 148 00:07:11,947 --> 00:07:15,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very good. So having Barker's back, I can 149 00:07:15,627 --> 00:07:17,987 Speaker 2: see Ryan Fox as well. He's looking a lot trimmer. 150 00:07:18,307 --> 00:07:20,667 Speaker 2: I think he's laying off the Applebee's, which I found 151 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,347 Speaker 2: very tempting over there. I think he goes to the 152 00:07:23,467 --> 00:07:26,427 Speaker 2: PF Chain's or something. There are a lot of good 153 00:07:26,467 --> 00:07:29,947 Speaker 2: restaurants in America with very big portions. But Fox, he 154 00:07:29,947 --> 00:07:33,107 Speaker 2: has been disciplined. But also what he's getting his respect 155 00:07:33,227 --> 00:07:35,827 Speaker 2: from the elite. He's one of the boys now. So 156 00:07:35,987 --> 00:07:38,507 Speaker 2: Scotti Scheffler pretty much came up to him and said 157 00:07:38,547 --> 00:07:40,427 Speaker 2: that three would you hit in that playoff hole at 158 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:42,787 Speaker 2: the Canadian Open was one of the greatest shots I've 159 00:07:42,787 --> 00:07:43,227 Speaker 2: ever seen. 160 00:07:43,587 --> 00:07:43,627 Speaker 1: You. 161 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:47,067 Speaker 2: Rory mckleboy's giving him a bear hug in the car 162 00:07:47,187 --> 00:07:50,067 Speaker 2: park and this is the difference. Fox, He's one of 163 00:07:50,067 --> 00:07:50,507 Speaker 2: the lambs. 164 00:07:50,907 --> 00:07:53,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, love it, I absolutely love love it for him. 165 00:07:53,547 --> 00:07:57,027 Speaker 3: Can we finish with tennis? We know that that rugby 166 00:07:57,067 --> 00:08:00,067 Speaker 3: has built on tribalism and rivalries. Tennis is as well, 167 00:08:00,107 --> 00:08:02,747 Speaker 3: and we've got a bit of a new guard emerging. 168 00:08:03,827 --> 00:08:06,867 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed. And look, I mean I think the the 169 00:08:06,947 --> 00:08:10,987 Speaker 2: Ciner versus our Karez rivalry men's tennis needed that so badly. 170 00:08:11,507 --> 00:08:14,947 Speaker 2: But also the you know, Cocoa golf coming through and 171 00:08:15,867 --> 00:08:18,707 Speaker 2: upsetting the apple cart there in the in the French 172 00:08:18,787 --> 00:08:21,507 Speaker 2: Open was outstanding. So I mean, I just think that 173 00:08:22,067 --> 00:08:25,467 Speaker 2: having I think there were Seeds one and two playing 174 00:08:25,547 --> 00:08:28,387 Speaker 2: each other was just brilliant for tennis and it really 175 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:31,747 Speaker 2: needed it because the drop off after the veteran Nadal 176 00:08:32,067 --> 00:08:36,547 Speaker 2: and you know, Jokovac, even though he's still around, is huge. 177 00:08:36,627 --> 00:08:39,707 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, without the the Williams sisters, 178 00:08:39,747 --> 00:08:43,707 Speaker 2: et cetera, whatever you want, that both both sides of 179 00:08:43,867 --> 00:08:45,867 Speaker 2: tennis needed a shot in the arm and they've got it, 180 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:49,027 Speaker 2: but also wanted to maybe just finish Pony just quickly. 181 00:08:49,107 --> 00:08:52,107 Speaker 2: With the cricket, I thought the South Africans were incredible. 182 00:08:52,427 --> 00:08:56,507 Speaker 2: I'm glad they they won, and I was impressed at 183 00:08:56,547 --> 00:08:58,787 Speaker 2: how humble they were in victory saying oh hey we 184 00:08:58,907 --> 00:09:01,547 Speaker 2: got the better conditions. It's like it doesn't matter you 185 00:09:01,827 --> 00:09:04,987 Speaker 2: won the World Test Championship. And we need to thank 186 00:09:05,067 --> 00:09:09,227 Speaker 2: South Africa because without seven South Africa cricket in that factory, 187 00:09:09,547 --> 00:09:12,667 Speaker 2: we would not have Neil Wagner, Devin Conway, Glenn Phillips, 188 00:09:12,747 --> 00:09:15,267 Speaker 2: Colin Monroe, Grant Elliott, the list goes on Piney. So 189 00:09:15,667 --> 00:09:17,147 Speaker 2: thanks to South African. 190 00:09:16,787 --> 00:09:19,667 Speaker 3: Cricket indeed, and good to see them lose that chokers 191 00:09:19,747 --> 00:09:22,787 Speaker 3: for tag. Finally, good to chat James, we'll do it 192 00:09:22,787 --> 00:09:26,947 Speaker 3: again next week when you're a Super Rugby champion winning 193 00:09:27,027 --> 00:09:29,187 Speaker 3: team supporter. 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