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Speaker 1: Our favorite talk show, houst Is Beck. Has been a

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Speaker 1: year since he last trundled into the BBC studios in

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Speaker 1: London when we were there for the coronation. Of course,

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Speaker 1: as late as novel is called Frankie. It's out this week.

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Speaker 1: Graham Norton is back with us. Good morning and good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, sir. How are you? I'm extremely well

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Speaker 1: and you are at the end of summer. You look

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Speaker 1: like you're in a cottage today. Every time we interview,

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Speaker 1: I always go where are you? And sometimes it's in

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Speaker 1: New York, and sometimes it's in Ireland, and sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: in London. I've not seen the background.

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Speaker 2: This. This will be excited to know.

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Speaker 3: It's the back bedroom of my house in Ireland. We're

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Speaker 3: just finishing up the summer here and actually, weirdly, it's

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Speaker 3: a gorgeous stay here.

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Speaker 2: The sun has been shining all day. I've just had

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, fantastic. Have you done the Village Quiz or

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Speaker 1: attended the Literary Festival.

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Speaker 2: I've attended the Literary Festival. I took a year off.

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Speaker 3: I didn't take I was given a year off from

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Speaker 3: the quiz. I think they're trying to rebuild demand, so

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Speaker 1: I was very I was reading something about you. Somebody

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Speaker 1: asked what's it like to be famous? And I thought

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Speaker 1: your answer was brilliant, and that was it's like being

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Speaker 1: where you are now. So in other words, in small

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Speaker 1: town Ireland, everybody knows everybody.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's like because somebody asked me in when I was

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Speaker 3: Such d of sweet, innocent question, and there should be

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Speaker 2: What is the answer to what it's like being famous?

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Speaker 3: And then it suddenly struck me it's like Bantry, where

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Speaker 3: I think that's kind of why I like it back

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Speaker 3: down Oxford Street in London and people know who you are,

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Speaker 3: that's just nuts, that's just weird.

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Speaker 1: Is is it a nice place to be where you

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it is kind of a I think part

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Speaker 3: that that's Margaret who takes the money at the butcher's.

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Speaker 3: That's the guy who you know works in the garage,

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Speaker 3: you know, so I have a kind of a reference

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Speaker 3: so you know, to me and if they say hello,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't seem weird, it's because they know me.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's a nice way to be. When does your

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Speaker 1: television show come? I've been trying to track this. You

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Speaker 1: normally relaunch in September? Am I correct in saying that.

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Speaker 3: You are correct? And it is still correct. We'll be

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Speaker 3: Here we're on air on the twenty seven, twenty eighth

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Speaker 1: You guys, So where are you at literally as you

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Mike, no, no, no, there are guest booked.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not going to say because that just jinxes it.

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Speaker 2: And we always.

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Speaker 3: But I'm very much I don't know what you're like.

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Speaker 1: I just worry about the thing fantastic. When you interview people,

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Speaker 3: You know, if someone was good before, you'd like them

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Speaker 1: Exactly, right, we must talk about the book. And this

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Speaker 1: seeing now the evolution of Graham Norton the novelist. Is

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Speaker 3: With a book, you can't pretend you don't care, even

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Speaker 3: if it's the word and you know, for three hundred

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Speaker 3: You just can't pretend that you didn't put some work in.

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Speaker 3: So I did put work in, which means that I

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Speaker 2: You know, you have to take it personally.

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Speaker 1: Are you more enthused about this book? Are you sitting

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Speaker 1: turning out quite well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But then I think I always think that then,

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, well, isn't it? As always? It's lovely to catch

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Speaker 1: And is the wine still going well? By the way,

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Speaker 1: You're still consuming quality of it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm certainly a consumer, and I'm told it's flying

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Speaker 1: I think, fantastic. We'll enjoy the rest of you some

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Speaker 1: of good luck with the book, good luck with the

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Speaker 1: television show. We'll look forward to seeing all the stars.

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Speaker 1: And who knows, we're booking for our next interview. What

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Speaker 1: October a month?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cheers. Mikee thank you very much. I'm easy to

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Speaker 2: get them.

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Speaker 1: Luke Coombs, Yes, you are all right, so you soon

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Graham Norton.

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