1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister is with us for this Tuesday morning. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Very good morning to you. 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. How are you today? 4 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Very well? Indeed, I've got a scandal for you. Are 5 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: you ready for a scandal? 6 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Hit me with it. 7 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: I'll hit you with it in just a mind. And 8 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: I need to ask you first about about yesterday's you 9 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: have you're sentencing and all that sort of stuff. Lead's 10 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: story in the Herald this morning is about the pushback 11 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: on gang patches. Does it amaze you that we can't 12 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: stop whining about the problem and the damage gangs do, 13 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: and the moment a government does something about it, we 14 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: whine some more about their civil rights? What the hell's 15 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: going on? 16 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care. It's actually you know, we make 17 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: no apologize for being tough on game members. The stats 18 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: that I always think about is game members are one 19 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: quarter of one percent of the population. As I tried 20 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: to say yesterday, you know that almost a fifth of 21 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: all serious violent crime homicides, I think they're twenty four percent, 22 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: almost a quarter of all Arms Act defenses I mean 23 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: illegal guns and kidnapping an induction. So, you know, if 24 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: you want to be serious about having a twenty thousand 25 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: people a fewer victims of violent crime, then you've got 26 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: to start there, and that's exactly what we're doing. So yep, 27 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: people are giving us some grief about it, saying that 28 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: we passed a bill through this Sleik Committee, which we did. 29 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Police actually identifies an additional tool that would help them, 30 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: which was around these you know, wearing patches inside cars 31 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: and or houses, and frankly, it's consequences for a small 32 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: group of people, but if that also enables police to 33 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: have separate legal activity, that's a bonus. And frankly, we 34 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: want an asymmetric and we want to be harassing gangs 35 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: and that's what we're going to do. 36 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: Do you worry one of the suggestions is you will 37 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: encourage your words, not mine the cumulative concurren thing with judges. 38 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Do you worry about the judiciary pushing. 39 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: Back, Well, again, that's why in Parliament we're going to 40 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: say that those rules, you know, that's what we're trying 41 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: to do with the same thing laws that we want 42 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: to pass as a result, and Parliament is sovereign in 43 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: New Zealand and that's why we're not leaving it to 44 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: judges just to set their own discounts for a number 45 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: of reasons for why. We've seen some pretty horrific cases 46 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: where offenders are god off for quite serious crimes with 47 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: what I think the public would say and victims would say, 48 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel fear. And there's been some very hectic 49 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: discounts that doesn't reflect the harm cause. So you know, 50 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: that's why we're capping what judges can do at forty percent. 51 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: We're we're getting rid of repeated discounts for young people 52 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: and also remorse. You can show remorse once, but you 53 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: don't get to got multiple times. And frankly, if you're 54 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: going to be hurting people who are sole charge workers 55 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: or on a home own business, you know where they 56 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: live above the shot. All of that, that's your aggravating 57 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 2: factors that the judge has taken consideration. But yeah, we 58 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: want to encourage use of chum. They're not concurrence sentencing 59 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: to the people. Actually that it all stacks up. And 60 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: then the other bit might I think is important in 61 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: that sceencing all pieces that you get a lot of 62 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: people who only pled not guilty at the very end 63 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: of the court process and you've read twul size the victim. 64 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: But importantly you've way through this huge amount of court 65 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: time and slade the process up. So we're going to say, right, 66 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: the sliding scale for early guilty please, you know, so 67 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: you can get up to a twenty five percent discount 68 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: within that forty percent cap, but if you want to 69 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: do later on, it's going to be five percent. So 70 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: all that is sort of designed to say, Look, yeah, 71 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: we've got to go tough on the gangs because our 72 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: big driver of violent crime. You we've got to sort 73 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: out the serious own to send them approvement police officers. 74 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: We've got more creations officers and prison beds coming. And 75 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: we've also got changes to our center to the laws 76 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: as well. 77 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm getting around. I'll give you another example 78 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: in the moment. I've been surprised and surprised at the 79 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: number of people in this country who seem to be 80 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: apologists for all that's wrong with it, and the wait 81 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Tangi Tribunal is a very good example. And then I 82 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: come to the Public Service, the Ministry of Justice and 83 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: the League on the Treaty Principals Bill. You haven't got 84 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: to the bottom of it apparently as to who did it? 85 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: How do you function as a government if you're getting 86 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: pushed back from the judiciary, push back from the Waitangi Tribunal, 87 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 1: and a public service that isn't adhering to what you're 88 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: wanting to do. 89 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: Well, you have to be. You have a responsibility in 90 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: government and I don't think you know, sometimes cabinets and 91 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: ministers have been chrystal clear at the center about what 92 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: they are here to do and what they are three 93 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: things in their portfolios are affixiated and focused on to deliver. 94 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: And as a result, I think the public services often 95 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: had sort of not enough clarity. So that happened with 96 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: the last lot a lot, and you know, then there 97 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: is lessons of the courts. So that's why we've seen 98 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: us move on things like make legislation, for example on 99 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: the on customary rights, because we actually want that to 100 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: be reflective of what Parliament intended that legislation to be 101 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: back in three thousand. Len W's got the balance right. Likewise, 102 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: you're seeing us here with discounting. We're not leaving it 103 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: to judge just to just you know, people sixty sixty 104 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: five percent discounts. And in fact, if people want to 105 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: contribute on the selectmmittee process for this legislation on sentencing, 106 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: you know, if they want to harden it up, We'll 107 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: harden it up. So I think, you know, we just 108 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: have to be clear Parliament, since the rules we need 109 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: to Yes, we respect the judiciary, we need to respect 110 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: the public service obviously need here as well, but we 111 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: have to have clarity at the core and at the 112 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: center about what we're here to do. And we're here 113 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: to improve the joint and get it sorted and turned around. 114 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: So the reply. 115 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Marine and coastal areas are characterized by a blind adherence 116 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: to pre existing political commitments of the spense of fun 117 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: out blah blah blah. Are you telling them they're wasting 118 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: their time? 119 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: Well, we'd be respectful. But the bottom line is we 120 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: are returning that legislation to what was intended in twenty eleven. 121 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: That was the legislation that recognized the Maori customary title 122 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: but also got the balance right with legitimate interests of 123 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: all News islands on the coastline. And so I appreciate 124 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: the way Taking Tribune has a view about that, but 125 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: we also have a view, which is that Parliament is sovereign, 126 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: and Parliament wrote or law than twenty eleven. The standard 127 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: and threshold had been loved and as a result, the 128 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: intention of what was happening wasn't consistent what we had 129 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: in the end, So that's why we're moving it back. 130 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, that's just having the clarity 131 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: to do that, you know. And again on the gang legislation, 132 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: it's the same thing. It's like, either you are seriously 133 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: talking about tackling AFFIS or a quarter of your violent 134 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: crime problems with one quarter of one percent of the population, 135 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: or you're not and you keep talking about it, or 136 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: you do something about it. So I wanted us to 137 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: do different things to get different outcomes. And that's the 138 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: conversation i'm when I push my mins and the CEOs 139 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: of the agencies, is you know, when we have a 140 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: problem on mathematics, for example, it turns out you can 141 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: actually bring in the minister, bring in the CEO, bringing 142 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: the executive team of the Ministry of Education, and within 143 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: a week determine that you are going to introduce a 144 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: Singapore Australian style maths crect in at the beginning of 145 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: next year because you choose to do it. Otherwise you 146 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: sit there saying, we're just talking about four out of 147 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: five of our kids not being with any speak at 148 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: high school on mathematics. So I think my approach in 149 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: government was, I know we're doing it differently, and I 150 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: know that's a change from what the public service has seen. 151 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: It may even be a change from what the judiciary 152 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: or the way Toni Tribunal for that matter, has seen 153 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: as well. But we are clear about what we are 154 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: here to do, and I've been transmitting that from a 155 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: position we're transmitting it in government, which is rebuild the economy. 156 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: You're stall there a lot of bit of health and education. 157 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: So then you put out the edict on Friday, the 158 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: cabinet edict around race. So you want to color blind 159 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: public service. And yet here's my scandal this morning. This 160 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: is a ut AUT get their money or the bulk 161 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: of their money from the state. Correct. Yes, right, So 162 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: when you want to travel as a staff member of 163 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: the AUT, you've got to fill out a form and 164 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: they've taken to various considerations, prestige of the conference you're 165 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: going to, how far it is, what the cost is, 166 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: risk of travel, blah blah blah. Then we come to 167 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: the final box, which is what they call equity consideration. 168 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: So if you're PACIFICA, you get an extra twenty percent multiplier. 169 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: If you marry, you get a thirty percent multiplier. How's 170 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: that color? 171 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: Blow? Well, that doesn't sound consistent with what we're talking about, 172 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: which is that we deliver public services like education, like 173 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: healthcare or the passive need, not ethnicity. So that's the 174 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: first I've heard of it. I don't know why that 175 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: would be there. 176 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's there because they're woke and they're wasting everybody's time. 177 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: This See, this is my overarching problem. It's you, to 178 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: my mind, you can't be clearer in what you're trying 179 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: to do. You don't have to agree with it, but 180 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: you couldn't be clearer in what you're trying to do. 181 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: These people are literally taking the pass Why Well, well 182 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: that's a question. 183 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: You have to ask a U T. But I mean, 184 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: I think and it's something will follow up on. But 185 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: the point is, you know, as I said, all I 186 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: can do is make it crystal clear. We had a 187 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: long standing position and opposition. We've made sure that. You know, 188 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: when you've seen issues like Hawk's Day last week, which 189 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: you raised within hours you Shane ready had it resolved. 190 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: And this policy piece in this Cabinet circular, which was 191 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: just as formalizing all of that to say that we 192 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: expect all public services to it on the basis of need, 193 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: not ethnicity. And frankly, you know often people say to me, 194 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: what about mari inequality and equity and you go, yep, 195 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: mariy will get the support they need based on their 196 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: level of needs as well, and not get captured through 197 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: that lens. So yes, I appreciate there's been a different 198 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: management over the last six years and it's a change 199 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: and we're under new management. But I think the message 200 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 2: will start getting through. 201 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: Do you. And I know you don't comment on poles, 202 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: but the poll aren't yesterday, and I've gone through it 203 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: in great detail. I look at all the issues. For example, 204 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: you lead labor in every single issue now bar poverty, 205 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: and they only lead you on that by one point. 206 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Could that indicate perhaps that you might be sending a 207 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: message that New Zealand appreciates. But all the wonks in 208 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: the public service and the judiciary in the White Tangye 209 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: Tribunal and all the bloody universities around the country don't get. 210 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think people appreciate we inherit a hell 211 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: of a mess. I think they see that we are 212 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: genuinely focused and we are working hard and we're trying 213 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: to fix the things that need to be fixed and 214 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: realize the opportunities that are sitting there. So I think, yeah, 215 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: I think they can look at our team and go, Okay, 216 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: the promises put good ministers in good portfolios. He's got 217 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: them really focused, they're accountable, they're driving really hard. And 218 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: I think people, you know, they want us to try right. 219 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: They want to government to show up and actually try 220 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: and actually do things differently. And I appreciate, you know, 221 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: I get pushed back on a lot of things that 222 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: people can disagree with me, but I do not care. 223 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: We are here to do the mission, which is to 224 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: actually turn the country around. And the only regret MIC is, 225 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: I say to my team from day one, is the 226 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: only regret we'll ever have when this comes to an 227 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: end one way or another, is that it didn't went 228 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: bold enough, we didn't go fast enough. So I know 229 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: we're putting pressure in the system. I know we're working 230 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: hard at it. But whether I look at law and order, 231 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: whether I look at what we're doing on the economy, 232 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: our long term growth prospects in the economy, what we 233 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: doing on education, what we're trying to do on healthcare 234 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: effected broken systems. Housing. Yeah, we've got a great story 235 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: on emergency housing. Right, we've moved over eleven hundred kids 236 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: out of motels into social transitional private rental markets. 237 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Rights though it's not true. 238 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: I mean like, yeah, I have the bottom liize. Yeah, 239 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: I can tell you we're eighty percent of them I've gone. 240 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: And the good news as they're in a better place 241 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: than where they were. Now. That didn't That just required 242 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: us to organize differently, to do different management, and to 243 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: have clear expectations. Are clear targets one of the nine targets. 244 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: But the conversations about well between some Potarka and myself 245 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: and Chris specially as well. Guys, now we can keep 246 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: talking about this thing will just get worse and worse 247 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: like it has over the last decade, or otherwise we 248 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: do something different about it. Mart Mitchell's done a kick 249 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: ass job rightly and Auckland CBD, and he's gone about 250 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: that job in a different way. He's understood the problems 251 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: just complex and difficult. He's worked with the agencies and 252 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: when you see, you know, crime down thirty five percent, 253 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: in serious assult down, twenty two percent of retail crime 254 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: down fifty cent. Yeah, we've got a long way to go. 255 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: Get me wrong, and I'm not declaring victory by ey street. 256 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: I'll be constructively, just satisfide to the end, I suspect, 257 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: but the point is at least we're doing something different. 258 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: We're trying things in the public just want us to try, 259 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: and they want us to focus on them and tum livery. 260 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: And set about it. See you next Tuesday. Appreciate it. 261 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: Chrystopher Luxon. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen 262 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, 263 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.