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Speaker 1: As with every Monday, we have Guy Havelt and Andrew

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Speaker 1: Saville with us. Hello, lads, right, are we excited about

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Speaker 1: this test? Or are we just can we say that

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Speaker 1: we're redeeming ourselves guy? Or Am I overdoing it?

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Speaker 2: No? I think they can to an extent. It is

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Speaker 2: a dead rubber, obviously, and they have blown the series

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Speaker 2: in the first two games, which was massively disappointing, but

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Speaker 2: they finally batted well in that first innings and they're

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Speaker 2: going okay in the second innings and they've bowled pretty

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Speaker 2: well as well. I'm looking forward when Tim Saudi retires,

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Speaker 2: and I've made my views on Tim Saudi pretty clear.

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Speaker 2: I respect the guy a lot and I think he's

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Speaker 2: been amazing for New Zealand. But when he retires, I'm

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Speaker 2: really looking forward to seeing Willow Rourke open the bowling

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Speaker 2: with a new ball. I think he could be absolutely deadly.

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Speaker 2: We saw what he did in stages of that innings

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Speaker 2: England's first innings yesterday, and when he gets a new

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Speaker 2: ball in his hands, I think it could be something

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Speaker 2: special to watch. So I think there's been enough out

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Speaker 2: of this to be like, okay, well, they've still got

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Speaker 2: something there. Just makes it even more disappointing that they

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Speaker 2: were so bad in the first two tests.

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Speaker 1: Just what does it say Sam about select the selections

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Speaker 1: If we're waiting for.

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Speaker 3: Somebody to retire, well, it's going to bring that up too.

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Speaker 3: I mean we all sort of scratched our heads or

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Speaker 3: looked sideways and before the second test when they didn't

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Speaker 3: make any changes, and hindsight it's a wonderful thing. But

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Speaker 3: what would have happened if will Young had have been

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Speaker 3: opening the last couple of games, And what would have

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Speaker 3: happened if say Mitchell Satner or a full time spinner

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Speaker 3: the pictures don't turn a lot yet, just to have

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Speaker 3: that variety apart from the seam and fast ballers. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: some head scratching stuff's gone on the last few weeks.

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Speaker 3: But look, the Willow Rawke has bowled tremendously well. There's

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Speaker 3: nothing like pace. You just can't beat sheer pace. He's

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Speaker 3: got the height as well, and he digs it in

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Speaker 3: around the ribs and around the bat handle. So I

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Speaker 3: looked they played very well. But it's been a little

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Speaker 3: too little, too late really in the series. But there

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Speaker 3: are signs there for future sav I.

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Speaker 1: Think you're being overly generous. It's not a hindsight thing

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Speaker 1: because we were talking about this even before the Second Test,

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Speaker 1: that we needed to have we needed to change things

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Speaker 1: up because Devin Conway's formed slumt.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so why if we can see it, why

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Speaker 3: can't they?

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Speaker 1: Well this is the question, what is going on here?

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Speaker 1: I mean going to it any Do you have any

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Speaker 1: ideas because it looks to me a little bit like

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Speaker 1: they make the selections based on loyalty and weird punishments

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Speaker 1: if you don't take contracts.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly. I'm not sure about the second well a

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Speaker 2: little bit in the second bit, but in the same

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Speaker 2: brief like Devin Conway's not got a full time contract

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Speaker 2: this year and he's still obviously been playing along for

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Speaker 2: the Black Cats. Kane Williamson's done the same thing and

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Speaker 2: he's playing pretty much every Test. But then tring Bolt,

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Speaker 2: if you look back to when he gave up his

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Speaker 2: bit interesting. They are very very loyal selectors and it

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Speaker 2: to drop someone who has played a lot of tests

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Speaker 2: for them, and I'm talking you know, Devin Conway, I'm

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Speaker 2: been left wondering why other players haven't had opportunities. So

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Speaker 2: they are the sort of I mean, I'm talking Gary

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Speaker 2: Stead here. Luke Ronkey as has been part of that.

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Speaker 2: Not sure if he's a selector as such, but I'm

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Speaker 2: sure he has some input. Now Sam Wells is a

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Speaker 2: But there have been some head scratching selection, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Save I've been sent to text here to tell me that,

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Speaker 1: even though somebody loves me like a sista, I need

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Speaker 1: to stop commenting on football because I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. So you give me your take.

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Speaker 3: To And you was at the same text for that

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Speaker 3: Boden Barrett, and someone said You've got no idea. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Text maybe, or maybe everybody's onto me that I just

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Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it is maybe yeah, maybe he knows,

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Speaker 3: I having having dealt with this team in the last

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Speaker 3: young goalie who's a superb young player. I didn't think

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Speaker 3: i'd see in a million years him and the Auckland

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Speaker 3: the CE defense make a mistake like that, the back pass.

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Speaker 3: Basically he was looking up rather than looking down at

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Speaker 3: So that was bizarre in itself. But then to score

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Speaker 3: the equalizer to keep this unbeaten run going. Yes, they

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Speaker 3: score the equalizer basically in the last minute stoppage time

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Speaker 3: from a free kick drilled into the back of the net.

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, gee, whiz, they've got They've got the

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Speaker 1: I'm just writing down back pass so that I know

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Speaker 3: Called later in the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, alone week or something. Guy, what did you

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Speaker 1: make of It was pretty tense, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was? It was awesome, wasn't it. I've been enthralled

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Speaker 2: by what Auckland you see have done around now. It's Paulson.

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Speaker 2: He has been one of the reasons why, or one

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Speaker 2: to keep them out. So I don't think you can

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Speaker 2: be I mean, it was embarrassing and he won't want

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Speaker 2: to watch it again. I didn't think the ball bob

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Speaker 2: bobbled a little bit, so maybe not one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: Oh why.

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Speaker 2: Did a little bit? It did a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying.

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Speaker 2: I am saying it is quite embarrassing. He might want

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Speaker 2: to watch it again. But he has been a guy

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Speaker 3: I would imagine it's the only time in his career

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Speaker 3: he'll make him. He'll make him at that level of

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Speaker 1: Happens to the best of us, doesn't it. So we've

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Speaker 1: got to cut them a bit of slack. We're all

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Speaker 1: allowed a few mistakes. Are either of you guys got

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Speaker 1: any intel on what's happening with Liam Lawson?

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Speaker 2: Are right?

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Speaker 3: What do your class is? Proper intel? There's a lot

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Speaker 3: floating around on the internet.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: What are you reading on the internet?

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Speaker 3: Wow, they're saying he's automatic, well not automatically, but he's

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Speaker 3: going to be. Some are saying he will he will

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Speaker 3: get the full Red Bull drive. Some are saying, no,

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Speaker 3: he'll be in the racing balls. You know the team

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Speaker 3: he's in. Look, I think we suggested this last week

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Speaker 3: is going to be driving in Formula One next year.

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Speaker 3: And this is red Bull to a tee. They let

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Speaker 1: And are they doing just doing it for drama.

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Speaker 3: Probably just to draw it out of it. It's got

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Speaker 3: surely has to be announced before Christmas for goodness sake.

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Speaker 1: Oh why why does it have to be announced before Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Why not drag it out some more? M Because the

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Speaker 1: thing is, guy, here's the thing. We thought we were

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Speaker 1: going to get the announcement last week. Then we thought

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Speaker 1: nothing right. So it's caused some people to go, maybe

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Speaker 1: there is something going on here.

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Speaker 2: I think what we're learning is that we should not

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Speaker 2: try and predict what the hell is going to happen

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Speaker 2: in Formula one. It doesn't seem like many people are

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Speaker 2: getting it right. They haven't even announced that Sergio Peris

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Speaker 3: To be on, so I mean, maybe that's the issue

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, so maybe that's the pre Christmas announcement, and

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Speaker 1: then then maybe there's another announcement that they do sort

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Speaker 2: Out. I mean that seems they've all been saying that

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Speaker 2: that's pretty much a fatal complete and that's been confirmed

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Speaker 2: that still hasn't been officially confirmed. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: what to make of all of it. Look, he'll be

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Speaker 2: that's that's going to be pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be little cool either way.

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Speaker 3: It means they can squeeze another excuse me, three or

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Speaker 3: four weeks out of us here and sell a few

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Speaker 3: more cans of fizzy drink.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's maybe. Maybe Do you need to take your

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Speaker 2: trip to the doctor before before Christmas? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Save, I had the RONA a couple of weeks of

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Speaker 3: cold dust on the throat. Guy, I've been raving your

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, I've had the COVID a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and you need to make sure

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Speaker 1: you're not getting that because it's gonna it hit me hard.

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Speaker 1: But you're a blokes, it's going to hit you really.

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Speaker 3: I saw you'd sounded blocked up the last week, so

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Speaker 3: I don't realize it was COVID. I didn't realize people

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Speaker 3: still got that.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for caring enough to ask anyway, what do you guy?

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon about the NRL handing this team

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Speaker 1: to P ANDNG. But then you know, tying it to

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Speaker 1: not getting involved with China.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really sad. I saw the headlines. I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: I haven't actually dealt too much in the story. Oh look,

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Speaker 2: I think that's I didn't know the China link, so

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Speaker 2: you might have this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the China link. Guy is basically

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Speaker 1: they've given the team. So they're given the team to

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Speaker 1: P and G rather than US or anybody else who

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Speaker 1: wants it. And then they've said to them, here's six

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Speaker 1: hundred million for the next ten years to run the team,

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Speaker 1: and you only get to keep the team if you,

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Speaker 1: as a country do not sign a strategic geopolitical deal

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Speaker 1: or a military deal with China, which means that the

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Speaker 1: whole thing is actually not about P and G deserving

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Speaker 1: the team or making an NRL better. It's about a

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Speaker 1: little China move there from the USA and Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just ouzing politics.

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Speaker 1: I hate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not huge on that at all. Before I

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Speaker 2: quite cool that there was going to be a pop

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Speaker 2: think regular League over the air. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, love it,

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure I'd want to go and play

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Speaker 3: But it's not the first time country. It's not the

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Speaker 3: asterisk beside the money?

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Speaker 1: No, but is it going to make your in ral

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Speaker 3: Look? I think P and G have been screaming out

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Speaker 3: for a team for a long time and they they

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Speaker 3: are immense rugby league fans. They go absolutely crazy that

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Speaker 3: all the league Aussie league stars are superstars and P

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Speaker 3: and G. I think it'll work. They get the right

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Speaker 3: great for the competition.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, Okay, well here's hoping. All right, lads, Have

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Speaker 1: you guys got interesting things to do this summer.

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Speaker 2: Work? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that so many people's stories? Sav what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: You've gone very e.

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Speaker 3: The next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I'll be doing the same as you, so probably

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Speaker 3: Find that quite interesting.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't that doesn't sound much different from the.

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Speaker 3: Rest of the years, working your way around the Christmas

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Speaker 3: buffets and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Guys listen, enjoy your summer breaks. It has been lovely

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Speaker 1: to chat to you. Merry Christmas and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: again in the new year. That's Guy Helt and Andrew Savello

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Speaker 1: commentary Box this Monday.

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