1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Peter lewis our Asia Business correspondents with us. Hey Peter, Hello, Hello, 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: So we've got the full text of the decisions that 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: were made in the third Planum. Is there anything in 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: there is interesting? 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: There's not a lot that's new, but there is rather 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: a large number of measures they talk about. They've set 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: out over three hundred reform measures, things that are going 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: to hopefully help improve their economy. The problem is a 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: lot of these things we've heard about already. They've been 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: talked about many times in the past. Several of them 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: are already in train. And I think the two main 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: themes we know about very well. The first one is 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: national security. President Ji Jinping says national intersecurity is just 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: as important as the economy. I suspect that when push 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: comes to shove, national security is even more important than 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: than the economy, and given the choice, he'll go for 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: national security every time. The second thing is what he 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: talks about is advancing new productive forces in the economy. 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: These are new areas where China wants to be strong in, 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: wants to be a global player in which are technology 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: things like electric vehicles, batteries, solar panels and so on. 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: And he wants to be very self sufficient in technology 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: so that he doesn't have to rely on the West. 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: But the problem is, I'm not at all convinced that 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: these measures are really going to be enough to solve 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: China's economic woes. And I think the first reason for 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: that is because it doesn't deal with the main issue, 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: which is that consumers just do not want to spend. 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: They're seeing the value of their property go down month 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: after month, They're worried about their jobs. Youth unemployment is 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: very very high in the country, so rather than go 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: out and spend their saving or pang down their mortgages, 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter how much you offer them cheap 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: loans or cut interest rates, they just do not want 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: to borrow. And unless you get theonomy the domestic side, 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: of the domestic demand side of the economy going, it's 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 2: going to be very difficult for the economy to recover overall. 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: And that leads to the second issue. If you're going 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: to produce all these things and your local consumers aren't 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: going to buy them, then it means you've got to 41 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: export them to the rest of the world. Unfortunately, for China, 42 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: the rest of the world increasingly doesn't want to buy 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: them anymore. And it sees the trade practices that China 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: is following here in trying to boost certain sectors as 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: being unfair. And they don't want to see in the 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: EU and the US their own industries in the electric 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: vehicles and batteries and solar panels and so on decimated. 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: And these decisions don't really give a nod to those 49 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: difficulties if anything. I mean, the way President she presents 50 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: it is we're going to carry on regardless, and they're 51 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: going to carry on pouring money into these sectors, and 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: we're going to become a global exporting nation of all 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: these ex as products. And I think that's where it's 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: going to run into difficulties. 55 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point that you make. There 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: actually number of points that you make. Listen, So Taiwan's 57 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: starting at annual war games on Monday. What does this 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: actually look like? What are they actually doing? 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: Well, they're doing it differently this time. First of all, 60 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: they're not following any sort of script. What they're trying 61 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: to do is really simulate what is a real, live 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: surprise invasion by China by mainland forces to see how 63 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: their troops will respond to that. Now, obviously they're taking 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: recent developments very very seriously. I mean, China has been 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: increasing its own war games around tai Taiwan. It's initiated 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: for a while, a blockade, it puts, it puts initiatives 67 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: against Taiwan when it's elected William Lai as their presidents, 68 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: and China sees him as being a dangerous separatist who 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: wants to split Taiwan from the rest of China. So 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: Taiwan really has got to up its own defenses here 71 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: because as much as it may want to rely on 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: the US and other nations to help it, its first 73 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: line of defense is going to be itself. So it 74 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: really is prepping itself for doing this. The only problem 75 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: is it's all come to a bit of a halt 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: because of the typhoon that hit Taiwan the last couple 77 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: of days, a massive typhoon which has seen a couple 78 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: of ship sink around the island. So that means they've 79 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: had to pull back on some of these war games. 80 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: But China will no doubt be watching this very very closely. 81 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: Peter, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much. 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: As always, look forward to talking to you next week. 83 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: That's Peter Lewis out Asia Business corresponding For more from 84 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Hither duplessy Alan Drive, Listen live to news talks it'd 85 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio