1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: With me. Now on the huddle we have Paddy Gower 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: of News Hub and Jack Tame, host of Q and 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: A and Saturday mornings on News Talks. There Be Hello 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: you too. 5 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 2: Hello Kiday. Guys. 6 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: We'll come back to this one. I just want to 7 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: talk about lux and though, Paddy, what do you make 8 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: of luck and calling the previous delegation see lists well. 9 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 3: As someone who went on you know, about thirty of 10 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: those traps and was very formally in the Z list, 11 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: you know when I was a journalist and we literally 12 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: were in the minivan that was behind the little car 13 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 3: that was behind the five cars that eventually got to 14 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: the front of the matorcade in there. So it's a 15 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 3: proud SEA lister. Look, I think good on them. You know, 16 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 3: it is about taking it is about taking a listers 17 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: And and you know, I've got no problem with the 18 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: meeting that I was a Z lister and you know, 19 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 3: he's just he's just been he's just been honest. And 20 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: if there's a few little egos out there cracked because 21 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: they're on the C list, I say, as a proud 22 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: Z lister who used to sleep in the back of 23 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: the minivan, get over yourself. But I Wilso just walked 24 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: past Barry Sofa on the way and who went on 25 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: about four hundred and ninety five. 26 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Now, I think he got one of those like crew 27 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: club ones for that particular plane. That's right. 28 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: But he was the best because he was in the 29 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: Zealist with the journos. But he acted like he was and. 30 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: That they basically let him in, and I haven't seen 31 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: that in action. 32 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Jack, I'm just reading through some 33 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: of the potential sea listers from the last trip. So 34 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: if we're to go from the last trip of Chris Hipkins, 35 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: we're talking about sea listers including the CEO of the 36 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: New Zealand, the CEO of Auckland Airport, the CEO of 37 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Les Mills, the chair of Sea Lord, the chief executive 38 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: of Where to Workshop, the chair of Fonterra. So yeah, 39 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: I mean, but what about the rest of the list. 40 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: Say you're well about Christopher Luxon, but he's got a 41 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: high standards this designation. So it just I mean, it 42 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: just seems to me like such an utterly avoidable mini scandal, 43 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: Like what a what a dumb thing to say? What 44 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: an incredibly dumb thing to say, especially when you when 45 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: you when you venerate your relationship with the business community, 46 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 2: like and for what gain like a little slight against 47 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: the previous government. Sure, but it just just seems like 48 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: a real a real oversight, and one that I'm sure 49 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: he disappears in memories as quick as possible. 50 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I agree. I agree with you there, Jack. 51 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: I think though, that he just told the truth. That's 52 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: what he'd say in the you know, in his office 53 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: he would have said, I want a listers on my trip. 54 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, Patty and I've been about this today, right, 55 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: this is his personality. Even before he came into parliament, 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: even sorry into the leadership. Somebody in the corporate world 57 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: said to me, watch out for Chris Luckxen's mouth because 58 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: he runs his mouth off about people. And then Nick Minette, 59 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: they hear about it and they're upset about it. Right, 60 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: So he is known for this. So this is his personality. 61 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: So does he just I mean, if this is the 62 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: stuff he's going to he's just going to tell the truth. 63 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: He just needs to own it, doesn't he just so 64 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: apologize for it. 65 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: So what you say in the office to the public 66 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: just keep going. 67 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: There's no zero upside to slagging off the previous delegation. 68 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: Talk up this delegation as much as you like, but 69 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe we're the greatest delegation of all time. 70 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: But the zero upside and flag not previous delicate. 71 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: But maybe. 72 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: But this is like asking Trump not to be a buffoon, 73 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: right like they are what they are. And if this 74 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: is what Luckson's like, he just needs to lean into it. 75 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: Authenticity is a rare commodity in politics. I agree with 76 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: that notion, but I don't know Trump when he doesn't 77 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: manages to be funny somehow, and I'm not sure that 78 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: Christopher Luxon has necessarily managed that. I don't think for 79 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: the guy who constantly talks up his business experience and 80 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: his business connections, I just set the zero upside to 81 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: being caught out side. 82 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: I feel so bad for comparing the two of them. 83 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: I apologized to Luxeon for comparing him to Trump. What 84 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: do you think, Paddy of Cain Williamson giving up the 85 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,559 Speaker 1: captaincy to chase the big dollar, Well. 86 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: It just means that cricket and international sport are changing 87 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: and money rules. What people have said all the way 88 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: along about all sports, that money will eventually take over 89 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: and that's exactly what's happened here. We're sending in other 90 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: sports like golf, and no doubt we'll see it in rugby, 91 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: which is sold which has sold out as well. And 92 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: this is what's coming. Get used to it. 93 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more, Jack, I want your take on it. 94 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: We'll get it after the break, right, you're back on 95 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: the huddle, Patty Gower, Jack, taym Jack, what do you 96 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: make of the Cane Williamson news. 97 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'm a cricket tragic, which means I'm a Cane 98 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: Williamson tragic and I think if anyone deserves a big 99 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: pay day in New Zealand cricket, it is that man 100 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: for everything he has given us over the last few years. 101 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: Patty's totally right. This is the way that all sport 102 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: is going. Players are in cent device to chase the 103 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 2: big bucks, and increasingly there's maybe not the kind of 104 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: loyalty to some of the national national teams that there 105 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: once might have been. That being said, for me, it 106 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: all comes down to Test cricket. So long as we 107 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: can still have players like Cane Williamson playing Test cricket 108 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: and playing Test cricket in New Zealand, I'm Okay. 109 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: I don't think you can rely on that. 110 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: Well, I see the T twenties, he's definitely going to 111 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: be away, but apparently under this new arrangement he should 112 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: still be available for the hanging. 113 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: A second is that is that's very specific to this 114 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: year because this year we've got the English tour and 115 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: it wraps up by I think it's the fourteenth of December, 116 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: and the South African TEA twenty things starts like early 117 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: early January. So that means if he keeps doing that 118 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: every single year, he's not going to be there for 119 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: many of the test games, the test matches if they're 120 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: in January. 121 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. It totally defends on the schedule he 122 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: said he might he might be in a position then 123 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: to make a choice, do I want to play in 124 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: the South African TA twenty competition all play tests? And 125 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 2: someone like came Williamson, I reckon, there's still a test 126 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: purist at heart. So I'm going to cross my fingers 127 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: and hope that when it comes down to a choice 128 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: between playing tests for New Zealand and playing T twenties overseas, 129 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: he's going to choose tests. But yep, this is the 130 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: way of the world. 131 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's hoping we're going to be left with it. 132 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: We're going to be left with the Sea Listers. I 133 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: was going, let us say that though we can't call 134 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: people see list. It's been banned as yeah, well apparently 135 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: it's bad, okay, you know. 136 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's good to know. Thank you for clearing 137 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: that up for us, Patty Jack. The Greens are hypocrites, 138 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: are they not. 139 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: Yes, they are totally And it's pretty funny. I mean, 140 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: can you I just imagine being imagine being Julianne Genter 141 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: when the staffer had to come in and say, hey, 142 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: you know that meeting we were hoping to have, well, 143 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: we were just trying to you know, use some initiative 144 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: and get some parks or so. We want to get 145 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: there nice and conveniently, and it turned out that we 146 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: might have upset someone that knew or someone else in 147 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: the party might have come across in the past. Of course, 148 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: of course, the hypocrites, I mean, we are all hypocrites. 149 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't think this is the worst scandal in the world, 150 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, it just goes to show that, Yeah, as 151 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: great as bike planes are, sometimes car parks are actually 152 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: that much more convenience. 153 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: Well, the Greens are hypocrites full stop. That's got nothing 154 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: to do with what's happened here, just in general hypocrites, 155 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: you know, because I actually came past Julienne's officer earlier 156 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: this week and there was a very very big high 157 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 3: it was incredibly high green horse out the back, and 158 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: they've fallen right off it. They've fallen off their green 159 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: high horse, and it's just incredibly funny. And if I 160 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: was Julianne, I'd be staying right away from that cycleway. 161 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: They can't because they're electorate office is right by the 162 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: side of the way and one of the angry, angry 163 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: retailers are there. 164 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: No one, no one can stay away from that cycleway 165 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: and it's it's actually a tragedy what it's done to 166 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: the businesses there. And I agree to the business. I 167 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: agree with the business owner that was on before. But yeah, 168 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: Julienne should maybe book another nice long holiday stay there. 169 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Femininely, Jack, I don't have a problem with these boxer 170 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: shorts that that people are starting to wear as just 171 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: like out like normal shorts. 172 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: Do you have you look at them? I can look 173 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: at them. Yeah, it's all right. When international models are 174 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: wearing them whatever, right, or wearing them on the catwalk, 175 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: I don't think it's I mean, I'm not going to 176 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: cast any aspersions when it comes to Patty's physique. In fact, 177 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: I know that he's more than happy to take to 178 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: the streets in skin tight light or the kind of 179 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: guy with a confidence to pull them off. Given the 180 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: nature of my legs, given my pathetic chicken legs, there 181 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: is no way on earth you would catch me wearing them. 182 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with them, Patty, because do 183 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: you know what they look like? They literally look like 184 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Agassi's tennis shorts from the eighties, like George Michael would 185 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: have done a wham video in one of them. There's 186 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: nothing offensive, just cotton shorts. 187 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: Well, I sort of come from the era where it 188 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: was fashionable to wear boxer shorts and the rugby. 189 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Shorts and with the top sticking out. 190 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, which is sort of silky ones, which 191 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: is a sort of a very random sort of era. 192 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: So so I'm no one to judge. I'd probably put 193 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: the canary rugby shorts on over the top of them. 194 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: Would you. I'm going to go down to cotton On 195 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to buy a pair for myself and I'm 196 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: going to wear them in the summer. That ten dollars, 197 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: it's a bargain. It's great, guys, thank you very much. 198 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Anyway, that's just a fashion tree. 199 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: You need to get up on you because that's what 200 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: we do. Help you out with that kind of stuff. 201 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: On the show, Patty Gower, Jack Tamar Huddle This evening. 202 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: For more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to 203 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 3: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 204 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,359 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.