1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: The official cast rate has had six cuts in a row. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Will this end today? It's widely expected to hit pause, 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: but a cut is not off the cards. A and 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Z and chief economist Sharon's on has got up early 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: for us. Hello Sharon good Running. Two days ago I 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: suggested a cut of twenty five basis points to a 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: flat three might give the morrimond parts of our economy 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a g up for summer. Was that 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: a silly idea? 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: No, not at all. In fact, you know we're on 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: record of saying, actually, we think a cut is justified. 12 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: Wouldn't be a bad idea. What we've seen in a 13 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: wide range of data actually is that things have just 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: started to roll over a bit in the last few months. 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: And in fact, the reserve banks on shiny new toy, 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: the DVP now indicator, is producing a chance that GDP 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: actually have gone backwards in the last months of this year. 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: So in our mind that kind of more than offsets 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: the fact that GDP in the first three months was 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: stronger than they thought. That we actually think that matters 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: quite a bit. That momentum is play failing little bit 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: at the moment. 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Can we just talk about that. I've been actually watching 24 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: that Reserve back now Cast app which is on their website, 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: and it gives a real time indication of GDP and 26 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: it's saying the economy fell back into contraction in the 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: June quarter. Is that app accurate? Do you think it's 28 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: readings are real? Are we falling back into contraction? 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: Well, it's not new and so far as it's just 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: rolling together all the indicators the Reserve bankbooks at anyway, 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: but it is kind of in your face, and so 32 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: you can't rule out that it might impact the committee 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: just by the fact that it's not their official GDP forecast. 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: They have their own forecasters who will take that into account, 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: but everything else as well. But our own forecast is 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: kind of zero point one positive. 37 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Sorry, So did you say zero point one? 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: That's what we're our current forecast for the second quarter 39 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: as a positive. 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Let's just call the zero amongst friends, shall we? 41 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think that's some timely reasonable. Yeah, So 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: it does look like the economy more or less went 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: nowhere in the last three months that we've just finished. 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: And yet do you think they will not do anything today? 45 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: Well, they don't have a GDP target, but they don't 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: have an employment target. Either they've got an inflation target. 47 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: And in May there was one member of the committee 48 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: who felt pretty strongly they shouldn't have cuts back then, 49 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: and actually they couldn't reach consensus to cut. They had 50 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: to hold a vote, which is actually quite unusual. They 51 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: do prefer to all agree the very Zalan way, but 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: they couldn't. So it's particularly tricky one to call because 53 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: they're trying to guess not just what a committee will think, 54 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: but ultimately you know, this one holdout. How are they 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: feeling now? There was a mention in the summary record 56 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: of meeting last time that it was concerned about inflation 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: expectations and inflation generally, that the lingering inflation could come back, 58 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: that the members could catch fire again. We can see 59 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: why those concerns exist. There's certainly sticky parts of inflation, 60 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: but basically in the bigger picture, we think those concerns 61 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: will be alleviated rather than will intensify. 62 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Well, Charon, thank you so much for your advice today. 63 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: Certainly it feels like inflation is rusted in. I mean, 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: look at your rates bill. 65 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: Eh For more from early edition with Ryan Bridge, listen 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: live to news talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, 67 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio