1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Kiota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is a special on 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: location episode of The Front Page, a daily podcast presented 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: by The New Zealand Herald. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: We're in the small. 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Waikato town of pure Puel, sitting on a park bench 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: across the road from PGG Rightson. Now, other than the 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: police tape across the entrance, you wouldn't know that. It's 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: one of the scenes police are focusing on in their 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: investigation into Tom Phillips, who, at about two point thirty 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: am on Monday, police believe it tried to break into 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: this store. Now, what happened on this fateful morning and 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: how do. 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: We get here? 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: Tom and his three kids, Jada, Maverick and Ember first 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: went missing in September twenty twenty one. 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: Which sparked a major search near Mutta Kopper. 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: But three weeks later they rocked up at the fair 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: EM's farm and he was charged with wasting police resources. 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: He didn't show up. 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: To court for those charges, why because he had taken 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: the kids again. 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: This was in December twenty twenty one. 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: In September twenty twenty three, we learned a warrant was 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: out for his arrest, police alleging he robbed a bank 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: in Tekawiti. 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: In May twenty twenty. 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: Three, he was charged with aggravated robbery, aggravated wounding and 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: unlawfully possessing a firearm over the armed heist of A 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: and Z Tekowiti on May sixteen. Two people both armed entered, 30 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: demanded cash and fled on a farm style motorbike. In August, 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: there was a spate of sightings around Waikato. Phillips was 32 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: seen in two different Bunnings warehouse stores disguising himself with 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: glasses and a surgical mask. He used cash to buy 34 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: items which suggested he may have set up a campsite, 35 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: including headlamps, batteries, seedlings, buckets and gum boots. In September 36 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, police revealed they'd received fourteen reports of 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: sightings of Phillips, None turned out to be positive. November 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: that year, Phillips and one of his children allegedly stole 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: a quad bike from a rural wye at though property 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: and then broke into a shop. Security footage of the 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: pair shows them smashing the front glass and fleeing north 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: after the alarm was set off at about two am, 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Tom and the kids were spotted by peg hunters in 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: the Madacoppa area at the beginning of October, the first 45 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: time they've been seen all together since they went missing 46 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty one. They were wearing camo gear 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: hiking through farmland carrying backpacks. Police and air support, including 48 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: the Air Force helicopter, were sent to the area but 49 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: found nothing. 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: The kid's mother, though, cat she was happy to have 51 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: proof they were all alive. 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: So that brings us up to last month. August twenty 53 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: twenty five, Phillips and one of his children were caught 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: on CCTV breaking into a Pure Pure cuparette, which he 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: also targeted in November twenty twenty three. He used a 56 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: power tool suspected to be an angle grinder to break 57 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: into the barred back door and stole groceries before speeding 58 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: off on a quad bike. That takes us up until now. 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: Police were called by a member of the public who 60 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: thought they were witnessing a burglary about two thirty am 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: Monday at a rural farm supply store. PGG writes in 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: in Pure pul Behind us, two people in farm clothing 63 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and wearing headlamps left the scene on a quad bike 64 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: at about three twenty am. 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: Police laid road. 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: Spikes and the bike stops at around the intersection of 67 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Waipoona and to Our Roads, which leads to Mattacoppa. 68 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: The first attending officer has. 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: Come across the bike and was confronted by gunfire at 70 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: close range. It's understood he was shot in the head 71 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: with a high powered rifle. He fell to the ground, 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: took cover and he was later airlifted to Waikato Hospital. 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: He received critical injuries and will require multiple surgeries. Soon after, 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: a second patrol unit. 75 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: Arrived and shopped Phillips. He died at the scene. 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: Multiple firearms were found on and around the quad bike. 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: A number of items stolen from the store were also found. 78 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: The latest update as of about ten to six on 79 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: Monday evening was that the two remaining children were found 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: by police. They were found at about four point thirty 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: pm in Bush, roughly two kilometers from the location where 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: their father, Tom Phillips died. Acting Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers 83 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: said to know the children are safe and now receiving 84 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: care after nearly four years is an absolute relief. She said, 85 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: While they are safe, this is the start of a 86 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: long journey of recovery and their welfare remains a top priority. 87 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: For that reason, they will not go into details about 88 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: where they are now and their mental state. We spoke 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: to way Tomo District Mayor John robertson mid afternoon in 90 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Takawiti before the latest development. So John, tell me a 91 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: little bit about the area that we're looking at here. 92 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 3: So the area is really rugged, sort of classic King 93 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: Country hills, steep hills. This is out Maracoppa wise, out 94 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: by the coast, you know, rugged West Coast New Zealand, 95 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: vast areas of native forest. There's a lot of dock 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: conservation land out there. So I think of the Waitomo 97 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: district there's something like twenty percent is in dock estate. 98 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: So and sparsely populated, you know, so metal roads from 99 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: council roads going down and you know, often just a 100 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: few farmers are just serving a few farms in the area, 101 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: and so. 102 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: The population is one of the smallest council areas. But 103 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: you mentioned before one of the district is actually one 104 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: of the largest in the country. 105 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: It's large for the North Island. It's three and a 106 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: half thousand square kilometers, which is about the size of 107 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: Hamilton City. Waipa District Council and Otronga Council, So it 108 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: is the Waitomo as part of the we're in the 109 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: center of the king country is a big, vast area. 110 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: Years and do you know Tom and Tom's family? 111 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: No, I don't. I've not known Tom. The family is 112 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: a family that's been in that area for a long time, 113 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: good farming people. And while I made contact early on 114 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 3: with them, they've wanted their privacy respected too, So the 115 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: local community is their community, and the mayor has kept 116 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: away through that time. 117 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: In terms of how long this ordeal has taken, nearly 118 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: four years, or exactly four years if you count the 119 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: first time him and the kids went missing. It's an 120 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: incredible time and an incredible amount of time for the 121 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: whole country and even internationally people looking at the district 122 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: and that's probably something that you're not used to out here. 123 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: What's it been like. 124 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: Look, the focus has come on periodically. So when obviously 125 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: when when Tom disappeared the second time, there was a 126 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: and you know, and the first time I guess there 127 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: was a very big presence of police for a week 128 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: or so. Since then, there's been these alleged sightings and 129 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: alleged robberies, and so you know, every six months or so, 130 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: and so the police times have come in in a 131 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: number of but not stayed for long. So it had 132 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: you know that the attention has been on Tom, but 133 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: it's been every six months or so when there's an 134 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: alleged sighting. 135 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: More has it been the talk of the town. 136 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: Over the almost four years. It's not something that we 137 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: wake up to every day and think, oh, where's Tom. 138 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: It is something that we periodically think about, the children especially, 139 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: And then when there's been an incident or a sighting 140 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 3: or an alleged robbery, the community has chatted a bit 141 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: and wondered was that Tom or not? And the police 142 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: have had clearly had their evidence and have known more 143 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: than the community has. 144 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: In terms of how this has ended, obviously one of 145 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: the more tragic circumstances that it could have ended. 146 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: It could have ended in a multitude of ways. 147 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: How do you think do you think that police or 148 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: everyone has gone about this the right way? Do you 149 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: have any ideas on how to perhaps should should we 150 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: have done better? 151 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: Yes we we we should have done better, but that's 152 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: not a blame on the police. I you know about 153 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: a year ago, you know, I guess I started chatting 154 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: to people about whether there's a way to encourage Tom 155 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: to come out with a negotiated type agreement because we 156 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: all know that there's a custody issue behind this as well, 157 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: and that that that those situations are really complex to 158 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: get through. But yeah, I did think a year ago, 159 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: in fact, I called the Commissioner for Children in Wellington 160 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: and said, I wonder whether there is a way where 161 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: someone from the outside with manna could come in and 162 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: quietly see if an agreement, if there was a way 163 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: through it. And it's really difficult, I acknowledge that. So 164 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 3: the police, well, obviously the police have charges against Tom, 165 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: but those sorts of things could be negotiated by the police, 166 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: and I think a few months ago the police said 167 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: that they would be prepared to negotiate the custody of 168 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: the children sits with the family court. And there's no 169 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: easy way to have an agreement with a family court, 170 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: and no easy way to get agreement anyway, but to 171 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: get an agreement with the family court in a situation 172 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: like this. But I think we do need to reflect 173 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: on this and see whether there is and it may 174 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: require legislation to I mean, some act around this, whether 175 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: it's even the powers of the Commissioner for the Children, 176 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: whether there's a way of having someone pull together the 177 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: various parties, and some of them are government departments and 178 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: sit around a table and say, well, actually the solution 179 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: could possibly be negotiated through quietly through contacts. I don't know, 180 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: hard I know, but much better than the outcome that 181 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: we've come to today. 182 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Well, the outcome is probably one of the worst. And 183 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: I suppose knowing that he was armed through the elector 184 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: the robberies over the years as well, had police on guard, 185 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: so to speak, in terms of the solution that we've 186 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: come at day, what do you think. 187 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: The way forward is? 188 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: Look, the police will do an investigation. Now I'm looking 189 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: forward to seeing the completion of that and then to 190 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: see whether there can be And it comes back to 191 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: what I've just been saying, whether we need, you know, 192 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 3: be good to see the Commissioner for Children be able 193 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: to make a submission into this process too. So you know, 194 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: the outcome we've got to is the outcome we've got, 195 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: and it's really tragic, and so you know, I guess, yeah, 196 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: the learnings from this perhaps we can bring forward and see, Yeah, 197 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: if there's a better way. We knew, you know that 198 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: if this, if Tom was confronted. I'm sure the police 199 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: knew that if he was confronted, there could be an issue. 200 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: In this instance, I think rightly the police did what 201 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: they did and managed to find him, but I don't 202 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: think anyone would have thought it would have ended in 203 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: such a violent way. So it's very sad. 204 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: And the police officer who was first on this saying 205 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: he was local, he's a. 206 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: Local cop from pu pu Ari area, yes, and long term, long. 207 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: Serving, And that must be terrible for the community. It 208 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: seems so tight knit. 209 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very sad. 210 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you okay? Yep? 211 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: But I mean this is the you know, when you 212 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: think of the impact on the community. We know the 213 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: people in this, you know, we know the family of 214 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: Mara copa, Tom's family. We know the cop and the family, 215 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: and so yeah, have you spoken to his family? 216 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: No? 217 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: I haven't. I think I just need to give them time. 218 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: And if you had a word to the community about 219 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: how to feel, or had any words of advice, what 220 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: would they be. 221 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: Look, we the community will do this. I don't need 222 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: to advise them. They will support those most closely impacted. 223 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: So it's a great, great community. The Maricopa community out there, 224 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: farming community will come around and pupurea as well. 225 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much for talking to us today. 226 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: John, all right, now you're welcome. 227 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 228 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 229 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: at enzdherld dot co dot nz. 230 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: The Front Page is produced. 231 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: By Jane Ye and Richard Martin, who is also our editor. 232 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels. 233 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: Subscribe to the Front Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you 234 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: get your podcasts, and tune in tomorrow for another look 235 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: behind the headlines.