1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Christopher Luxen has met with the US President Joe Biden. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: This is a new meeting at the White House. There 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: was the dinner last night, now a new meeting as 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: the NATO summit ramps up. It's been a busy day 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: for the PM meeting with the Indo Pacific leaders before 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: heading to the North to the North Atlantic Council meeting 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: as well as bilateral meetings. He's got later this morning. 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Joining me now is the New Zealand Herald political editor 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Claire Trevette. Claire. Let's talk about that new meeting between 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Luxon and Biden. 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's just happened here now. They've sent a photo 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: of the two of them together. It seems that they've 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: had something of a short chat before the next summit 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: meeting that's happening here. We're not sure of the contents 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: of that. We'll talk to Christopher Luxon in another couple 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: of hours and hopefully get a bit more out of it. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: But they have had what seems to be a more 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: falsome catch up. He hasn't yet had a proper chat 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: with US President Joe Biden, but then at the dinner 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: last night, I think they'd had a handshake as they 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: came many kind of things, so he'll be pretty stoked 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: if he's had a better chat than that. It made him. 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: I think it made him a bit late for the 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: next summit, but it's probably worth it, so we'll find 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: out the full context of that chat a bit later. 26 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: He's obviously not going into Biden's mental capacity, et cetera 27 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: for good reason. Have you seen Biden since you've been there, 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: have you seen him speak? Do you have any comment 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: on his mental acuity? 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: Well, the most interesting thing over here is the all 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: of them are being asked about Biden, and the NATO 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: leaders are a bit nervous about it because Donald Trump's 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: less friendly towards NATO than Joe Biden is. You've had 34 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: George Clooney coming out. He dropped a real clanger of 35 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: an ophead and the worst thing he said was that 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party leaders have to stop trying to fall 37 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: kind of one hundred and fifty five million people that 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: they didn't see what they know, what they thought they 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: had seen. And I've seen Biden, not in the flesh, 40 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: but I have watched him deliver the main speeches of 41 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: the NATO function. It's hard to tell with those because 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: they're Autoques basically, so he's more or less just reading 43 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: them out. But I mean he is you know, he's 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: not a young man, so we'll leave it to them. 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: But I think Nancy Pelosi came out in the end 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: and still the Democrats to stop talking about it until 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: at least after the NATO so much has ended, so 48 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: I suspect things to get a bit messy here once 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: NATO was finished and Joe Biden's no longer being made 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: a fool of in front of all these world leaders. 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 2: That's pretty much. It's pretty much conversation. But it's just 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: kind of if we were like there will be all 53 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: of them are being asked about Biden. Even in that 54 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: Indo Pacific Foe meeting, we weren't allowed to ask any questions, 55 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: but of course, you know, if someone inevitably does. And 56 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: one of the Australian journalists yelled out to Zelenski, asked 57 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: him whether he thought Joe Biden should step down as 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: the as the candidate. So that's the only question that 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: got yelled out, And you. 60 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Can always you can always expect that from an Aussie, 61 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: you know that just ruthless. Hey, hey, this presser where 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: it could all come undone. So this is Biden going 63 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: on his own to a pressa after NATO. It's going 64 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: to be nine to thirty New Zealand time, so just 65 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: after we are off here, it'll be during Carrey's show 66 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: here on Newstalks. He b but do you get to 67 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: go to that? 68 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: I actually think we may have to be on our 69 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: way to the airport, so we're kind of hoping we will. 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: But everything's running a bit late here as well, so 71 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: it could get it could get crunched out, but we're 72 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: not sure. One other conflicting thing is that, you know, 73 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: christ Luckson's been trying to get a meeting with Ted 74 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: Cruz the whole time he's been here, and it's been 75 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: delayed twice. One last chance this morning, just before he 76 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: goes to the plane. So right, so yeah, I'm not 77 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: sure whether whether or not we'll get to say that. 78 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: We're hoping to clear. 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that. That's Trevette, who is 80 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: The New Zealand Herald's political editor with us live from Washington, 81 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: DC this morning. 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