1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Bridge on 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: early edition with ex Pole Insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes Warm 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: and tray. This winter news talk. 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: Sa'd be good morning at a. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 3: Six after five. Welcome to your Wednesday. Great to have 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: your company unemployment. We'll get a number out this morning 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: on that meant to be the peak unemployment right now. 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: But what about labor market hoarding? 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: Have you heard of that? We'll discuss before six this morning. 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 3: Gavin Graham the UK. This one in, one out policy 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: on migrants starts today. 12 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: AI is going to be marking our kids exams. We 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: will look at that. The foreshore and. 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 3: Seabeds back and China's evs may be about to get 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 3: more expensive. If you were thinking of buying a BYD 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: anytime soon, we'll talk about that too. And NETT and 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: Yahoo will stay across this meeting on potentially completely taking 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 3: over Gaza. 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: The agenda. 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, the sixth of August. 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: Remember the Titan sub, the one that exploded with the 22 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: billionaires on board. Well, the us cocard's final reports come 23 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: out absolutely scathing against ocean Gate, critically flawed safety, skipped inspections, 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: toxic culture. 25 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: Five people died on that dive. One of them was 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 4: the CEO Stockton Rush. This report says that had he 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: been alive, they would be making a recommendation to the 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 4: Department of Justice to consider opening a criminal investigation into 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 4: his behavior and the way that he ran oceangate. 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 3: We are now waiting this morning for an Israeli government 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: security cab at meeting NITYA, who reportedly behind the scenes 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: pushing to fully reoccupy Gaza. 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: Not everyone obviously's on board with that. 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 5: US has really been decimated in honor have any command 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 5: and control. They's surely not in a position to threaten Israel, 36 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 5: and that's why the idea does not support this mission. 37 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 5: The Chief of Staff has been openly opposing it, and 38 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 5: that's because the purpose really seems to be to destroy 39 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 5: all the infrastructure and all the homes in Gaza and 40 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 5: drive everybody out of the country, and that's really not 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 5: a valid military objective. 42 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: To the US. 43 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: This weird between Sydney's Sweeney and Donald Trump. The white 44 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: Lotus Stars My Jeans are Blue ad. 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: For American Eagle. 46 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it it's online, sparked a backlash 47 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 3: over race and beauty standards. The brand says chill out. 48 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: It's just about denim jeans. Trump's jumped in calling it 49 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 3: the hottest ad out there. 50 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 6: If Sydney Sweeney is a registered Republican, I think her 51 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 6: ad is fantastic. 52 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Ryan 53 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: Branch and ex Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes warm and dry. 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: This winter news talk, sa'd. 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: Be good morning, just gone eight after five. 56 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: Isn't it funny when he goes after he's going after 57 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: that poor woman who's running the labor or she's no 58 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: longer running the labor Bureau of Statistics or whatever it 59 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: is over in America. She puts out a report revises 60 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: down as jobs numbers. 61 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: You're fired. This poor woman. 62 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 3: She looks like, you know, one of those sort of 63 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: geeky bureaucratic types, just crossing her t's and dotting her eyes, 64 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: minding her own business, doing her job, and then boomb, 65 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: she's fired, been called a partisan hack. Now let's go 66 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: to Israel. So this is really interesting. What's happening at 67 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: the moment. There is a meeting of the Security Cabinet 68 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: that's supposed to be happening keeps getting delayed. So the 69 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: question is, what is Netna, Who's next play? He's losing 70 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: favor with the Internet. No one's trusts him. Well, I 71 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 3: mean America still does obviously, but in public opinion, you'd 72 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: have to say, watching your six pm news and seeing 73 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: the to be fair, the hostages too, who are frail 74 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: and not clearly not eating, but also people in Palestinians 75 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: in Gaza who are starving look to be starving. I mean, 76 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: the appetite for this continuing hasn't got much left to run, 77 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: has it. So what's he going to do? That's the question. 78 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: And he, apparently, along with his some of his government ministers, 79 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: has been briefing the press over in Israel saying we 80 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: are now seriously going to take over and occupy fully 81 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: occupy Gaza. Senior military officials apparently are breaking ranks with this, 82 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: saying well, actually, if you do that, then you put 83 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: all of the hostages who are left still being held 84 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: by Hamas, you basically consign them to death. There's a writer, 85 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: this is for a local magazine, a military affairs commentated 86 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: there who says hostages will die, large numbers of Israeli 87 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: defense full soldiers will be killed, as well as a 88 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 3: serious logistical problem for the Israelis. We're to house roughly 89 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: a million civilians who are now in Gaza City. Currently, 90 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 3: Israel simply doesn't have legitimacy either to continue to fight 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: in Gaza or to establish a city of refugees on 92 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: its ruins. So that's where we're at this morning and 93 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: this meeting. Apparently there'll be a presser afterwards. 94 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: Afterwards we will. 95 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 3: Find out exactly what Netanyahu's thinking, and then we will 96 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: wait for a response from the rest of them world. 97 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: You know who's going to back that. 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: Eleven after five News Talk SIB, we'll look at this 99 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: marine and coastal areas at change coming. The government's moving 100 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: forward with the changes despite what the Supreme Court ruling was. 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: We'll look at that. Next news talk SeeDB. 102 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: News and Views you trust. To start your day, it's 103 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Earliership with Ryan Bridge at x fol Insulation keeping Kiwi 104 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: Holmes warm and dry. 105 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: This winter News Talks B five thirteen. 106 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: The Global dairy trade auction overnight up point seven percent, 107 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: which is good, and whole milk powder, which is our 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: big ticket item, up two point one percent, which is 109 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: also good. Skim milk powder up point four percent. But 110 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: you will be pleased to know dips a three point 111 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: eight percent, and this comes after ainsaid yesterday. I don't 112 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: know whether you saw this, but the commodity price index 113 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: that they released this is for July over June fell 114 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: one point eight percent. Dairy prices weighing on that we've 115 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: had a couple of bad auctions over the last three while, however, 116 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: they are still way above where they would normally be, 117 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: in fact ten point seven percent. This is commodities generally 118 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: ten point seven percent higher than a year ago, which 119 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: is great in what's keeping things moving, keeping the lights on. 120 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: Dairy price is often ease at this time of year 121 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: because there's the new season production ramping up, spring coming, 122 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: all of. 123 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: That sort of stuff. So I'm not a bad result for. 124 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 3: Us this morning, just gone fourteen after five, Bryan Bridge, 125 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 3: we're back in the hot waters of the foreshore and 126 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: seabed debate. The Government says it'll move ahead with changes 127 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: to the Marine and Coastal Areas Acts as part of 128 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 3: the coalition deal it has with New Zealand. First, we've 129 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: spoken about this before. It follows the Supreme Court ruling 130 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: which basically throughout the proposed changes in December last year. 131 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: Harry Clatworthy is a barrister at Tamata Law and represented 132 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: NATI to Whehi's foreshore and seabed claim at the High Court. 133 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: And he's with me now, Hi, Harry, good to have 134 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: you going. 135 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, good, thank you. 136 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: This is all about defining customary title, isn't it? Can 137 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: you just cut to the chase with us what exactly 138 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: is going on here? 139 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 7: It is about defining customery title. Essentially, what the government 140 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 7: has done through these amendments is make it harder for 141 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 7: Marty to have their customery title recognized through the courts. 142 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: And they're going to make sure that that stays. It 143 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: stays that way, basically, aren't they? 144 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 7: That's the plan. This new amendment will basically make the 145 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 7: test harder for Marty groups, particularly Marty groups who who 146 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 7: have areas of interest that are in higher areas of 147 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 7: third party use. So Auckland Totonger areas with his development 148 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 7: and there's a lot of third parties using their area. 149 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 7: They're basically trying to make it so they don't pass 150 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 7: the test to have customary title or customer rights awarded 151 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 7: in those areas. 152 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: Because you had to prove that you had continuous and 153 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: exclusive use of an area since eighteen forty, basically didn't you. 154 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: That was what Key. 155 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: Brought in, and so that courts softened that slightly, which 156 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: is what this government's got a problem with. 157 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 7: No, so that still. 158 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 8: Has to be proved. 159 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 7: So continuous use and occupation without substantial interruption since eighteen forty, 160 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 7: and really what that actually means is, you know, a 161 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 7: massive legal gray area. Of course every group, there's of 162 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 7: course some interruption to the use of the ocean by 163 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 7: any group. What this new amendment has done is basically 164 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 7: make it easier for the Crown to prove substantial interruption. 165 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 7: So there's a lower bar for there to be substantial interruption, 166 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 7: which basically extinguishes the customary title. 167 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: How many actual cases do you think we could be affected? 168 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: How many claims? 169 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 7: It's hard to say. There's about two hundred claims out there, 170 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 7: and so far nearly all of them have been successful. However, 171 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 7: the areas and the really high developed parts of the 172 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 7: country are yet to go all the way through five days, 173 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 7: about halfway through, so I would say at least at 174 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 7: least fifty or more are going to be affected by this, 175 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 7: if not more. All of them will be affected, and 176 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 7: all apart from the seven that have already been confirmed, 177 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 7: so they'll be all right. But the rest of them 178 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 7: are gonna have to either be reheard or meet this 179 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 7: new and updated test. But that's hard to say before 180 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 7: we get some decisions from judges because at the end 181 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 7: of the day, they're the one to interpret the law. 182 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: Harry, what do you get if you can prove customer title? 183 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: What does that actually mean? Can you go and use 184 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: the foreshore and c bed and no one else uses it? 185 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: What does it mean? 186 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 7: No? No, no, So look, at the end of the day, 187 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 7: as Mary, we say, you don't get, you don't get 188 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 7: a whole hell of a lot. There's a big misconception 189 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 7: and a lot of public fear around Mary going to 190 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 7: stop people going to the beaches they're going to, you know, 191 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 7: basically cut off that the ability of non Mardi to 192 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 7: use the waner, which completely isn't true. There is all 193 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 7: navigation excess and fishing is completely protected under MACA. 194 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 8: Basically, what groups have the ability to do is. 195 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 7: Turn down resource management consents. However, there's a big exception 196 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 7: for accommodated activities, which is pretty much everything except basically 197 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 7: private resource consents in the area. Mildy have the ability 198 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 7: to veto. 199 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: Those fascinating Harry, thank you, thank you for that. Appreciate 200 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: you coming on the show this morning. It's Harry Clattworth, 201 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: a barrister at Tamata Law, also represented NATI to where 202 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: his foreshore and CBA claim at the High Court. So 203 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: it's not like if you get customery title, you own 204 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 3: the beach and everyone else can buger off. 205 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: But it does. 206 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: I mean that's a significant pal. It's about to turn 207 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: down or prevent a resource management consent from going ahead. 208 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: So the government's basically moving to show this up the 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: foreshore and cebe. They don't want to repeat of that. 210 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: Will there be a big protest and pushback A he well. 211 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: The Marti part to five. Marty is certainly talking about 212 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: that in the last twenty four hours. 213 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 3: Nineteen after five here on News Talks Here b next 214 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: it's Ai marking your kids homework. 215 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: Bryan Bridge on early edition with ex bowl insulation, keeping 216 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: Kiwi Owes warm and try this winter News Talks a. 217 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: B five twenty one. 218 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 3: Dave says Ryan, it was John Key and Chrisphin Lason 219 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: HR allowed Marty to contest the beaches and the foreshore 220 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: and the sea beard open up a real can of worms. Ironically, 221 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: Helen Clark wouldn't have had a bar of it. Yeah, Dave, 222 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: you're right Helen Clark. Actually, we've got in touch with her. 223 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: She's got something to say on it. We'll mention that 224 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: later in the program. Right now, Education Minister Erica Stanford 225 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: announcing that school exam marking will be aided by the 226 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: use of AI, taking the responsibility away from teachers. 227 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: Are we opening a can of worms here? 228 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: Danny Biddingfield is a learning development and AI specialist at 229 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: Cyclone Computer Company, joining us this morning. 230 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: Danny, good morning, Oh, good morning, How are you good? 231 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: Thank you? Would you trust AI to mark your kids exam? 232 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: In a nutshell? 233 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 7: No? 234 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 4: No. 235 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 9: Look, I do a lot of work with alongside teachers 236 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 9: and businesses around the use of AI, and there's a 237 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 9: lot of really great things that it can do to 238 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 9: save us time. But I've got real concerns around transparency 239 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 9: and around ethical use of AI, particularly the privacy area 240 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 9: as well, and i just feel like using it to 241 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 9: mark student work is really crossing a barrier that we 242 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 9: don't want to go to. 243 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: What's wrong with that? 244 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: Because in my mind, I mean there's things like maths 245 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: and science presumably be pretty straight up and down English. 246 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: Maybe if there's a you know, an essay writing competition, 247 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: it might not be as as workable, But what are 248 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: the what's wrong with AI doing it? 249 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 9: Well, the main problem I've got at the moment is 250 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 9: that all the AI sort of tools that we're using 251 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 9: are generally based on overseas data or overseas large language models, 252 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 9: and the problem of that, of course is they're not 253 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 9: based on anything to do with New Zealand. And New 254 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 9: Zealand's a very unique country to buy multicultural situation. You know, 255 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 9: obviously we've got the Treaty of White Tongue and so on, 256 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 9: and all these things are not taken into consideration in 257 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 9: the AI models that we're currently using, so you know, 258 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 9: we'd have to look at developing our own models in 259 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 9: here in Altiola to make them more suitable to the 260 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 9: data that we're hoping to mark student work. And then 261 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 9: there's the whole idea around transparency with students and things 262 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 9: as well, which is just really really concerned. 263 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: For me, things like maths and science, though nothing to 264 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: do with the treaty, quite universal and same everywhere. 265 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, I agree. 266 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 9: There, but we're using tools right now you know, you 267 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 9: can create forms and things on most Google and Microsoft 268 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 9: tools that we use in schools that will just simply 269 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 9: mark you know, kind of multi choice questions and things. 270 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 9: That's fine, we don't need. 271 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: AI for that. 272 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 9: You know, where they're going to be using AI is 273 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 9: for judging tools or judging assessments that, as you say, 274 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 9: like essays and things that have a lot more complications 275 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 9: within how you judge whether they are and achieved or 276 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 9: a mirror or a past or whatever they're going to 277 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 9: come up with within you marking systems. 278 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: Okay, Danny, interesting, appreciate your time this morning. 279 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: Danny Beddingfield, Learning development and AI specialist a Cyclone computer 280 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 3: company on Newstalk SB it is twenty four minutes after five. 281 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: We'll have more on the NCAA in the marking and 282 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister using AI to help with his job. 283 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: People aren't happy about that. 284 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: All ahead the early edition Full the Show podcast on 285 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by NEWSTALKSB. 286 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: News talksb it is twenty six minutes after five. The 287 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: future is here, ladies and gentlemen. AI is taking over. 288 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: There's a team of robots kept alive in some giant 289 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: warehouse with tons of electricity. Right now, whirring away, beavering 290 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: away on the world's big problems. AI will soon be 291 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: marking our students' exams, according to Erica Stanford, the Swedish 292 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: Prime Minister, overnight, admitting he uses AI for a second 293 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: opinion on running the country on a daily basis. AI 294 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: architects are in high demand. They've been snapped up like hotcakes. Yesterday, 295 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: Meta apparently offered an AI researcher to hundred and fifty 296 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: million US dollars over four years. AI engineers are apparently 297 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: paid upwards of two and a half million bucks a year. 298 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: The big tech companies are investing billions. The efficiencies are real. 299 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: AI is changing the world, one data center at a time. 300 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: So the question for us what do we do about it. 301 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: Some of the teachers are upset because they don't trust 302 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: AI to mark exams, but really we shouldn't trust the teachers. 303 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: According to the Ministry of Education, I've got no reason 304 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: to disbelieve this AI is at least as good as, 305 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: if not better than, teachers at getting stuff right. Awkward, 306 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: there's some stuff so nuanced you will probably need humanized 307 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: to be across it, but that would be the exception 308 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: surely in marking NCAA exams, not the rule. As for 309 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: the Swedish Prime Minister, he's copying flak for not being 310 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: able to do his job without the help of a robot. 311 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: But you still need to use judgment, don't you. You 312 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: can't just punch into AI. Should I go to war 313 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: tomorrow and then blindly follow? The answer? Is AI not 314 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: the mental equivalent of a forklift, a tool, a machine 315 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: doing the heavy lifting for our brains. We don't have 316 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: problems with forklifts, do we. They're helpful, they're useful. The 317 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: reality is it doesn't actually matter how we feel about 318 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: AI and the moraled one thousand moral dilemmas that throws 319 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: up like mobile phones, like the internet, smartphones and then 320 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: social media. It's one of these phenomenon that takes over 321 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: our lives, whether we like it or not. The best 322 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: we can probably do is just get used to. 323 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: It and get over it. Bread Rich, she talks. There'd 324 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: be nine two nine two is the number to text. Ryan. 325 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: Students are banned from using AI, but it's okay for teachers. 326 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: Go figure, you know I do that is odd to me. 327 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: That is odd to me, But you have I suppose 328 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: you have to know. You have to know that young 329 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: people are learning the basics. You have to know the 330 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: basics before you can. You know, you need a foundation, 331 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: you need. 332 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: Some building blocks. 333 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: Hey, bunch of this is slightly related, which I'll bring 334 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: to you as we get back from News. But a 335 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 3: bunch of politicians in Spain are in a big pile 336 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: of hot water this morning because they've all been fudging 337 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: their cvs and some. 338 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 2: Of the stuff they've made up is just outrageous. We'll 339 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: look at that. 340 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 3: Also, latest property prices report from Coatality, our reporters around 341 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: the country and Gavin Gray in the UK with day 342 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 3: one of the one in one out Immigrant policy news 343 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: talk said. 344 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: By the news you need this morning and the in 345 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: depth analysis earlier edition with Ryan Bridge and ex Bowl 346 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: insulation keeping Kiwi homes warm and dry this winter news 347 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: Talk said b. 348 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 10: To see four minutes away from six year on News 349 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 10: Talks MB on. 350 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: A Wednesday, and before six, we're going to hear about 351 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 3: the unemployment rate a lot today. It's meant to hit 352 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: five point three percent, but is that the peak? That's 353 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: what the government's telling us. What about labor market holding? 354 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: We asked that question before six this morning our UK 355 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: correspondent Gavin Grays with US Starmer's big plan to stop 356 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: the migrant boats and crossing the Channel kicks off today, 357 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: so we'll look at that if you are interested. Actually 358 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 3: there's two things I want to get across to you 359 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: this morning. One is about your house prices. The other 360 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: is about how many fish we got in the ocean. 361 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 3: What's going to happen to them when Shane Jones is 362 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: finished as the fisheries minister, Minister for Oceans and Fisheries, 363 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: so he has come out this morning just put out 364 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: a release, So making a couple of changes. 365 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: Main thing is to speed up. 366 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: And simplify your cat You know when companies have a 367 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: sustainable catch limit so you can't go after this certain 368 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: type of species of fish. He's going to speed up 369 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: and simplify that process. Our exports are worth one and 370 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: a half billion year and he says this should mean 371 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 3: if there are more fish in the ocean of a 372 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: certain species, you will be able to catch more, and 373 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: when there are fewer, then you'll. 374 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: Be able to catch less. That's basically what he's saying. 375 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 3: Also, you know on the fishing boats, how you can 376 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: now will you now have to buy law have cameras 377 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: on board. He is going to exclude that footage from 378 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 3: the Official Information Act. He says, this is because you 379 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: want to protect Fish's privacy, so they will no. 380 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: Longer you will. 381 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 3: Any member of the public could have requested the footage, checked, 382 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: the footage. 383 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: Played the footage. 384 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 3: We could as a media outlet do the same no 385 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: longer under the changes being proposed by Shane Jones this morning, 386 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: it is and I'll get to your property prices shortly 387 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 3: twenty two away from six o'clock, Ryan Bridge. Right, Let's 388 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: get to our reporters around the country and we start 389 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 3: in Toneedin this morning with Rosy Leishman. Rosy, good morning, 390 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 3: Good morning. 391 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: Now a man's. 392 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 3: Stretching two mayoralty bids across nearly a th kilometers of 393 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 3: the South Island. 394 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: Who is this man? 395 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 11: This is Andrew Clark, who has put his hat in 396 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 11: the ring to take over from his brother outgoing Invercargo 397 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 11: mayor Nobby Clark, who and he's also put his hand 398 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 11: up for the top job in his hometown of Tasman. 399 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 11: He's campaigning under different names in each district Andrew and 400 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 11: in Vicargo, and Maxwell and Tasman and Andrew says he 401 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 11: doesn't see an issue in the door bit, claiming that 402 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 11: he'd live in the southern city. He believes people should 403 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 11: be more open minded, saying it's more important about delivering 404 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 11: what the community wants. 405 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 2: Which community, Rosie, that's the question, isn't it. 406 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: Do you think Do you think he thought no one 407 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: would realize it was him running for both because using 408 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: different names. 409 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 12: I don't know. 410 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 11: I think he's just sort of like, look, either works 411 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 11: for me, guys. I've promised that I'm king for YouTube. 412 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: How's the weather in Dneda today, Rosie. 413 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 11: It's frosty this morning, but it's said to be fine 414 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 11: with a nice high cloud, light winds and a high 415 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 11: of twelve degrees. 416 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: Last one, you have a good day, Clears in christ Church, 417 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 2: high clear, Good morning. 418 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: North Canterbury residents expected to fill out the community halls. 419 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: What's this about? 420 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 13: Yeah, this is in relation to this story about potential 421 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 13: changes to rural police stations in Canterbury. It's a story 422 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 13: that's been bubbling around for a few days now. As 423 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 13: we know, police have been consulting internally with their people 424 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 13: and that consultations due to open due to close rather 425 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 13: next week. They're looking at possibly reducing some personnel at 426 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 13: rural stations. Now, it's important to note that the overall 427 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 13: headcount isn't necessarily going to go down, but it will 428 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 13: mean that the police and where they are located changes, 429 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 13: so they'll move from some of those rural areas and 430 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 13: those sort of single cop stations to be operating from 431 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 13: twenty four seven hubs in the likes of Dungi Order 432 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 13: and Rolliston. Federated Farmers has been very vocal in opposition 433 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 13: to this. They're hosting some public meetings starting tonight in 434 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 13: Colvidin and Leiston. There's another one planned tomorrow at Hanmas Springs. 435 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 13: Hudnui District Councilor Tom Davies says are already stretched in 436 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 13: these areas. He says there is the fear that there 437 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 13: will be a shortage of staff or an inability to 438 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 13: cope with major issues as they happen. 439 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: All right, how'se to weather? They're clear a bit. 440 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 13: Of fog about this morning, otherwise should clear to mainly 441 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 13: find with high cloud northeasterlies and a high of twelve. 442 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: Thank you Max and Wellington. Haymax, good morning, A job 443 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: well done for your Crown observer. 444 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 14: Apparently, Yeah, the Council's adult in the room these past 445 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 14: few months. Lindsay McKenzie wrapping up his stint as Crown Observer, 446 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 14: brought in by the government originally after a period of 447 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 14: turmoil at council relating to the long term plan. We've 448 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 14: seen his final report. I don't think it's published yet. 449 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 14: We've seen it a lot of praise for councilors coming 450 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 14: together on the budget on water investment, the next annual plan, 451 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 14: and some suggestions for how they deal with conflict in 452 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 14: the future and how these this sort of bickering impacts 453 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 14: everyone and impacts the city. We spoke to Local Government 454 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 14: Minister Simon Watts last night, very pleased with the process, 455 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 14: says further appointments will be made, would be made here 456 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 14: should things break down again and elsewhere. Not against using 457 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 14: a Crown observer in the future. Good value for money, 458 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 14: he believes, despite that thousand dollars a day salary also 459 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 14: worth mentioning. There is the first mayoral debate in Wellington tonight, 460 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 14: Andrew Little will be there, Ray Young will be there 461 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 14: and we will be there as well in case things 462 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 14: kick off. 463 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: Well, that's exciting. When where is it? Where are they 464 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: having it? Location. 465 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 14: I'm not exactly sure, but I am sending my reporter. 466 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 14: It starts at five point thirty. 467 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: Okay, we have to change in. I'm sure he knows 468 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: where it is. Yeah, yeah, someone will. What's so where 469 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: they're doing mostly fine? 470 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 14: Fourteen the High Central? 471 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: Nice? 472 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: Thank you, Hey, Neva, Greetings, greetings, good morning. You've got 473 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: an update on Takapuna, France. 474 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 8: Joe. 475 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 15: He's a positive story. 476 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: Now. 477 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 15: The Takapoona Business Association's revealed hospitality venues have had more 478 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 15: than ten percent increase in spending in June alone compared 479 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 15: to last year. Spending across retail and leisure also rowse 480 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 15: almost six percent in that same period. So the Association's CEO, 481 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 15: that's Terrence Harper. He says people are flocking over to 482 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 15: the new places making their mark, Like and I haven't 483 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 15: been there before, the Takapoona Surf Club. 484 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 6: Have you been there? 485 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: No, but I've heard. I've got friends who have been 486 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: there said it's great. 487 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 15: Yes, And there's a new rooftop bar there, very fancy, 488 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 15: very fancy. People are going there. So you know, he's 489 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 15: saying this is fantastic, a lot better than you know 490 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 15: some of the central areas of CBD in Auckland. So 491 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 15: the North Shore doing very very well for itself, are lovely. 492 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 3: Down there by the beach, there's a house and there's 493 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: a really rich, obviously really rich guy who's built a 494 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: massive house down there, and I just feel so sorry 495 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 3: for the people in the apartments behind him. Literally it's 496 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 3: a it's probably a fifteen meter high concrete wall. Oh really, Yes, 497 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 3: I imagine going from one of the most beautiful views 498 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: in the city, yes, to see the concrete wall. But 499 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: I mean if you don't buy the rights to the 500 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: air in front of your home then that will happen. 501 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 15: My gosh, you burst my bubble for my positivity story. 502 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: How's that with cloudy with the if you shower? 503 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 15: Sixteen is a high here in Auckland today. 504 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: That's funny. 505 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: That Good to see you as always. It is seventeen 506 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 3: minutes away from six News Talk CBB. We'll get to 507 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 3: Gavin Gray and the UK next check out on checkout 508 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: Starma's immigrant policy is at working? 509 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: Is it going to work? 510 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 3: And I will give you those numbers on your house 511 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: prices and your house values soon. 512 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance. Peace of mind 513 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: for New Zealand business. 514 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: Spots being away from six News Talk TIB we'll get 515 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: to the unemployment number with Michael Gordon from West Pekin 516 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: just a second right now, Gavin Gray are UK europe 517 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 3: correspondent with us Kevin. 518 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. 519 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: This one and one out migrant deal between the UK 520 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: and France begins shortly. What are they saying about it? 521 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 12: Well, plenty of people skeptical it'll end in a positive 522 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 12: result that the number of people coming over to claim 523 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 12: asylum from the UK crossing the English Channel in small 524 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 12: boats illegally will drop. Others as saying that this isn't 525 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 12: going to work. It's a good idea, but it's not 526 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 12: gonna work. Why because we don't know right and how 527 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 12: many people the scheme applies to. There are theories and 528 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 12: reports that it might just be fifty to sixty each week. 529 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 12: Well at the moment, as of the thirtieth of July, 530 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 12: more than twenty five thousand people across the channel in 531 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 12: small boats so far this year, and that is up 532 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 12: nearly fifty percent at the same point than last year. 533 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 12: The scheme is this, some arriving tomorrow in the UK 534 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 12: on small boats will be detained and return to France. 535 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 12: In return, the UK will accept an equal number of 536 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 12: asylum seekers, but those who have not tried to cross 537 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 12: and can pass security and eligibility checks. The idea, of course, 538 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 12: is it's encouraging people not to cross. However, there are 539 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 12: lots of people stuck, as it were in northern France 540 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 12: who have made the horrendous journey from North Africa or 541 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 12: the Middle East, mostly in order to try to get 542 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 12: to the UK, and is this likely to put them off? 543 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 12: Well no, according to some. The Prime Minister, however, is 544 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 12: heralding it as a product the months have grown up 545 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 12: diplomacy that'll deliver real results. Others are saying it's unworkable 546 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 12: and wide open to abuse. 547 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: What about the number? What are people saying about the number? 548 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 12: You know? 549 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: Why isn't it one and a three out? You know? 550 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 12: Well's simply because France is unlikely to have accepted anything 551 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 12: like that. All this time they've said, you know, it's 552 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 12: the UK's fault and therefore if they're not claiming asylum 553 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 12: here then we just have to let them go sort 554 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 12: of thing. So, yeah, I don't think that would have 555 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 12: washed in France. How long this will go on for? 556 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 12: It's set to be an eleven month scheme, but let's 557 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 12: see how it goes on day one. 558 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: Kevin Great, appreciate your time this morning our UK. You're 559 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: a correspondent. Time now twelve away from six, Ryan Brie. 560 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: We get another look into our job market today and 561 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: I wouldn't hold your brief if you're expecting good positive news. 562 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: Economists reck and unemployment set to hit five point three 563 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: percent highest and nine years, up from five point one 564 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: in the last quarter. Michael Gordon, WISPEC senior economists with 565 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 3: me this morning. 566 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: Michael, good morning, Good morning. Is this as bad as 567 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: it going to get? 568 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 8: I think we're getting towards the end of it, if 569 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 8: not necessarily there yet, because the labor market tends to 570 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 8: be one of the more lagging parts of the economic cycle. 571 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 8: Even as we've seen some signs of better activity this year, 572 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 8: it's taken we're not seeing the same a degree of 573 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 8: improvement come through in the jobs numbers. Yet we know 574 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 8: that hiring is pretty low at the moment, so it's 575 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 8: sort of hard to get people out of unemployment if 576 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 8: businesses aren't hiring at the moment. So we're thinking probably 577 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 8: the peak in the unemployment rate is either around here 578 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 8: or slightly higher, but maybe by the end of this 579 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 8: year early next year we should see some science of improvement. 580 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: Okay, what about this idea of labor hoarding where people 581 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: firms are anticipating things will get better, so you hold 582 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: on to staff hope, you know, carry them over until 583 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: things get better. But actually things are taking a long 584 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: time to get better. So do those people get let 585 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 3: go in the meantime? 586 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 8: I think there is an element of that already happening. 587 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 8: It is again a part of that lagged aspect of 588 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 8: the cycle. But we did see I think, you know, 589 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 8: a couple of years ago, we were hearing from businesses 590 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 8: that they were sort of wearing of getting burnt by 591 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 8: the labor shortages that we had experienced relatively recently, and 592 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 8: we're trying to hold onto people. I think it was probably, 593 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 8: you know, that was the story up until about a 594 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 8: year ago. Since then we have seen that job shedding 595 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 8: going on. So again there's probably a bit of catch 596 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 8: up and still maybe some more to go there before 597 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 8: businesses really feel like they are their right size for 598 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 8: the amount of work that's on. 599 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: And Michael, who is being made unemployed young people grads. 600 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 8: That has been the case, I think to it's an 601 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 8: unusual degree in this cycle. Again, going back to a 602 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 8: couple of years ago, there were a lot of young 603 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 8: people that were brought into the labor force when there 604 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 8: were really severe worker shortages. So it was a hot economy. 605 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 8: Border was closed so you couldn't get migrant workers, and 606 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 8: so a lot of people were actually who were already 607 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 8: in study were being brought into work as well. Now 608 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 8: we're seeing the reverse of that. A lot of these 609 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 8: people are you know, they're either out of work or 610 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 8: not able to find a job in the first place. 611 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 8: In many cases, they're just concentrating on their studies and 612 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 8: they're not counting towards the ranks of the actively unemployed. 613 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 8: They just get counted as not in the workforce. 614 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: Michael, does it feel like every time you talk to 615 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: one of us journos that you are saying it will 616 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 3: get better soon, it will peak, you know, and it's 617 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: going to peak soon, and it's going to be over soon, 618 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: and it keeps getting dragged out. 619 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely a cry of are we there yet? 620 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 8: That as we go on for a while. I mean, 621 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 8: a key part of managing the cycle really lies with 622 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 8: the reserve bank. They you know, they have done a 623 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 8: lot big part of their job in terms of lowering 624 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 8: interest rates. It's taking some time to feed through into 625 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 8: what borrowers are actually paying and then get hopefully sort 626 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 8: of freeing up some cash for them to do something with. 627 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 8: We kind of knew it was going to be a 628 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 8: gradual pace, given that it's the timing of when people 629 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 8: would be able to move on to those lower interest rates. 630 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 8: But yeah, I can always feel very drawn out when 631 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 8: you're talking about something that you know, you know it's 632 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 8: going to take a year or so, and you're having 633 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 8: to talk about it every day. 634 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: I feel like you've summed it up perfectly there, Michael, 635 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael Gordon WISPAC senior economists. That number out 636 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,479 Speaker 3: this morning on unemployment just gone eight minutes away. No 637 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: matter what it is, you can beat your bottom dollar 638 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: that Christopher Luxon won't be firing the stats in's in 639 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: boss because he doesn't like the numbers. Well, never say never. 640 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: We'll get your property values the latest numbers from Totality next, 641 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: and Mike is here to start his show too. News 642 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: talksb the First Word on the News of the Day, 643 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 3: Early edition with Ryan Bridge and x fol Insulation, keeping 644 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: King we Holmes warm and dry. 645 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: This winter news Talks dB. 646 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 3: Clicks away from six News Talks ZIBB. Property values in 647 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: New Zealand. Will you be surprised to hear that down 648 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 3: point two percent for July? This is cotality's latest home 649 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: value index, So annual drop was the same, down zero 650 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: point two percent. Median value nationally is now eight hundred 651 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 3: and nineteen pounds and dollars. It's all the usual stuff 652 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: we've spoken about, job weakness, loads of listings. At the 653 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 3: moment keeping prices down. Twenty twenty five, they were predicting 654 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 3: a five percent jump in your property values, now more 655 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 3: likely one to two percent, five to six. It contributes 656 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: to us all feeling a bit poorer and not going 657 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: out and spending, and then makes. 658 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: The whole thing worse. Mike, good morning on that positive upbeat. 659 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 6: I was just going to say, it wasn't yes yesterday's 660 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 6: best story was was Christa and her husband's shed? 661 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: Wasn't it? I didn't see that? 662 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 6: Oh no, this is fantastic. So they which channel we changed? 663 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 6: It was not a channels, it's the news we've got 664 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 6: announced yesterday. So Christa and her husband they rang the 665 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 6: tip line for the government, right, so the government was 666 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 6: looking for tips on what to do around red tape 667 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 6: and bollocks in your backyard and building and stuff. So 668 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 6: it all ties and with it, you know how you 669 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 6: can build a granny flat and stuff with less paperwork 670 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 6: and yeah, except so anyway, yesterday's announcement was you can 671 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 6: now have a shed in your backyard. So the current 672 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 6: rule is that you need to be away from the 673 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 6: boundary as much as your shed is high. So if 674 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 6: your sheds two and a half meters high, you need 675 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 6: to be two and a half meters away from your boundary. 676 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: Most people in. 677 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 6: Smaller lots these days, I mean by the time you 678 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 6: move two and a half meters away from your boundary, 679 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 6: you're on the other side of the boundary, or. 680 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: Your shared is so small you can't see hundred percent. 681 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 6: So they changed the rule yesterday too. If you want 682 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 6: to put it up against the fence, put it up 683 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 6: against the fence. And they got that idea from Christa 684 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 6: and her husband. 685 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: Who did it. 686 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 6: Anyway, so technically we're breaking the rules. But I saw 687 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 6: the pictures. They were quintessential Middle New Zealand. They were 688 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 6: just getting on with life. They're not interested in all 689 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 6: of frippery and bullshit that goes on around rules and 690 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 6: regulations and red tape. They'd just gone ahead and done it. 691 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 6: David Seymour had seen it and thought, great idea, based 692 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 6: on your idea, let's change the. 693 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: Law, and saw them cutting a ribbon. 694 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 6: That's exactly, that's exactly what it was, and they put 695 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 6: them exactly, so they changed the law. 696 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 8: Works. 697 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: No, someone's answering the phone, and. 698 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 6: Someone answers the phone and someone that's not a bad idea. 699 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 6: The next thing you know, you've got a minister in 700 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 6: your backyard cutting a ribbon. I mean, is that how 701 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 6: to run country? You sent to run exactly if you've 702 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 6: built a shed risc oh sperspect. 703 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: But good on them. That's great progress for Assurance c 704 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 2: B this morning. Hey, a great day. Run to see tomorrow. 705 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: I don't away goes. 706 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 6: I got to celebrate it. 707 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 9: Just learn away. 708 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 709 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: to News Talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or 710 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.