1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Early Erdshow with our the Supercenter explore our the successories 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: and servicing all in one news talks. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: That'd be a scivoting to you and welcome to the program, 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: my Andrew Dickens. I'm here until six and coming up 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: over the next hour. The Cancer Control Agency has dropped 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: its twenty twenty five report, So how are we doing 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: in the fight against this cruel enemy? That story for 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: you In five Immigrants wanting to live in New Zealand, 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: We're up seven percent last month, while departures were down 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: fourteen percent. So are we looking better and better in 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: the world's size? Hey, and what's happening with the brain train? 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: Paul Spoonley talks to us in ten Are we really 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: losing business because of our summer holidays? And while Australia 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: has done it, is it our turn for a social 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: media ban? We'll have that story a many more, including 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Mitch McCann out of the United States of America, correspondens 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: from right around New Zealand News as it breaks, and 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: you can have your say by texting the number of 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: ninety two ninety two and a small charge applies. 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: The agenda. 22 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: So it's seven minutes half to five. It's Thursday, the 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: eleventh of December, and Ukraine is expected to hand over 24 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: its revised peace plan to the US negotiators today. 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: President Lansky has given some broader details. What we know 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: is that there's more than one document. There's the sort 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: of main peace proposal, which we think has been whittled 28 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: down to about twenty points. There's a document concerning security guarantees, 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: and there's one on the reconstruction and sort of restoring 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 3: the economic potential of Ukraine. 31 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: Now, Donald Trump's return to doing rallies again, this time 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania over the night, where he tried to convince 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: people that the American economy is just fantastic. It's brilliant, 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: It's never been better. And he fired shots at the Dems. 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 4: They caused the high prices, and we're bringing them down. 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 5: It's a simple message. They have a new word, you know, 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 5: those have a hoax. The new word is affordability. 38 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 4: So they look at the camera and they say, this 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 4: erection is all about affordability. 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: All right, I will talk to Mitch mccaenn about this 41 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: in about half an hour's time. The daughter of this 42 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: year's Nobel Peace Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado, has stepped 43 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: in to accept the award on her mum's behalf now. 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: The Institute praised Machado for her fight to ship Venezuela 45 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: from a dictatorship to a democracy, and she's actually been 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: in hiding since the country's disputed twenty twenty four election, 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: which is why the daughter stood up. 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 6: But although she has not been able to be here 49 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 6: and take part in this ceremony, I must say that 50 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 6: my mother never breaks a promise, and that is why, 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 6: with all the joy in my heart, I can tell 52 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 6: you that in just a few hours we will be 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 6: able to embrace her here in Oslo after sixteen months 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 6: living in. 55 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: Here, and finally, a man in Sweden has successfully trained 56 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: an octopus to play the piano. Now you want to 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: hear it, don't you? I go good one bum note 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: I reckon. The fellow who did the training was a 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: guy called Matthias Krantz. He did it over six months. 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: He built a special tank with a piano for his octopus. 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: The octopus's name is Taco and he used crab meat 62 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: to get him to play the piano keys he wanted, 63 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: but why didn't he get him to play the Beatles 64 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 2: and Octopus's Garden? I know it is now nine after five. 65 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Early Edition with r V Supercenter explore 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: r v's accessories and servicing all in one news talks 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: it'd be. 68 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: So there's a bit of noise round regarding employment disputes 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: at the Monaco or Urban Maori Authority. And the noise 70 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: is coming from the right wing media who claim that 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: the legacy media that would be me and others were 72 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: burying the story. And it wouldn't be buried if it 73 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: involved a politician from the right hand right side of 74 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: the house. Because it's all about Willie Jackson. You're unaware 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: of the story. Here we go. Willie Jackson is being 76 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: accused of using his own political power to silence staff, 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: to sideline union organizers, and to bury a damaging review 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: that found misconduct by his wife, Manico Urban Mary Authority 79 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: CEO Tario Rangahui. The fact that the authority is run 80 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: by his wife has led to accusations of cronyism. Now, 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: Matt mccarton got involved through his one union position and 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: he's outraged because he tried to go in and have 83 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: a word, but his group was issued trespassed notices and 84 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: he's outraged because Willie is a former union man himself 85 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: and a labor politician, and Matt mccarton can't believe it. 86 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: So he complained to the Speaker, Jerry Brownlee and the 87 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: leader of the Labour Party, Chris Hipkins, and had no 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: luck there. Hipkins said, well, it's not a matter for 89 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: the party. It's private business, and Brownlee may say something 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: about it next Tuesday, but Jerry's very busy right now 91 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: with all the urgency. So anyway, Matt McCartin then ran 92 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: off to camp Slater and also to the platform and 93 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: they talked about it. And they've used it obviously to 94 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: attack Mary and to att the media. Now it's all 95 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: a bit murky. But is it a big story? Well, firstly, 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: of course, nepotism is not against the law, and the 97 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: reality of many Malori organizations is that family is heavily involved. 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: You may not like it, so you may not approve 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: of it. But there we go, Maldy a bigger far no, 100 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: big onfar. 101 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 6: No. 102 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: They always have been. It's not a legal though. The 103 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: bearing of the review has also happened legally. Willie may 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: have pressured the board to ignore the review, but again 105 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: nothing illegal. And he may have stacked the board, but 106 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: people are stacking the boards all over the place, So 107 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: at its essence, it's the story of a workplace keeping 108 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: unions out of the workplace and a man stacking a board, 109 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: which is a thing. However, as I've said, that's happening 110 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: in multiple workplaces all the time. This is not a 111 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 2: Darlene Tana story yet. And by the way, Darling Tana 112 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: was from the left and it was breafactly covered by 113 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: the legacy media. So it's nothing about whether you're left 114 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: or right. It's whether it's a story. It is a story, 115 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: but it's not a big one, and that's why the 116 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: mainstream media haven't run with it. But they are aware 117 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: of it, and it may still expand being a much 118 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: bigger headline. So there you go. I'm negacy media and 119 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: I mentioned it, and I'll tell you what. I'll keep 120 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 2: following it zib twelve after five. I have so many 121 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: friends at the moment batling cancer. I have three people 122 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: I know going through chemotherapy, and there are all people 123 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: who have worked with me on news talks hemb which 124 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: I find is shocking, but I mean it's it's what 125 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: it is. Cancer is the thing. The Cancer Control Agency 126 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: is now produced as twenty twenty five report on how 127 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: we're battling cancer, and we all want to battle it's 128 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: a terrible, terrible enemy. So how are we doing. We'll 129 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: have Nikolacomb, the chief executive for the Southern Cancer Society 130 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: on this next, It's News Talks. 131 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Heb the first word on the News of the Day 132 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: early edition with Andrew Dickins and r V Supercenter explore 133 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: r V successories and servicing all in one news TALKSBI. 134 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: It's got a Raster five. Now the Cancer Control Agents 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: he has dropped us twenty twenty five report and they 136 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: have conclusions, and their conclusions is we need more funding 137 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: and we need earlier detection. Now reckon cancer cases will 138 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: climb from just over thirty thousand this year to more 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: than forty five thousand by twenty forty four, and half 140 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: of those cases, they say could be prevented if we 141 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: cut tobacco, dial back the booze, and got serious about 142 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: healthy living and sun safety. So joining me now to 143 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: talk about this is Nicola Kerman. Nicola is the chief 144 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: executive for the Southern Cancer Society. Hello Nicoler, excuse me, 145 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: Hello Nicola. 146 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 7: Good morning Andrew. 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: So how do these numbers compare to other countries. Do 148 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: we have more cancer in New Zealand than other places 149 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: or is this within the international standard? 150 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 7: Great question. Look to New Zealand is unfortunately leading the 151 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 7: way in areas that we wouldn't want to be leader in. 152 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 7: So in terms of melanoma, we lead the world in 153 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 7: rate of diagnosis around melanoma. But there's a lot of 154 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 7: good news in this report. There's good news, but we 155 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 7: can do better. I think some of the things that 156 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 7: are really encouraging about this report is that our survival 157 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 7: rates are increasing, so that means the likelihood of someone 158 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 7: in New Zealand doing of cancer is declining and the 159 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 7: chances of them surviving grather than five years posted diagnosis 160 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 7: has also improved. But generally people in New Zealand are 161 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 7: living longer with cancer. Yes, they are in other OECD 162 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 7: countries as well, But I would say that other OECD 163 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 7: countries that we compare ourselves to are doing far more 164 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 7: in the cancer prevention space than we are, and therefore 165 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 7: they are preventing more cancer than we are in New Zealand. 166 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: And is that because of more funding, because you said 167 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: that in your conclusion earlier detection more funding. Are we underfunded? 168 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 7: Yes, I'd say we are in key areas, and those 169 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 7: key areas would be around access to medicines. Look, we 170 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 7: had a significant increase in cancer medicines. The pharmac budget 171 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 7: was increased by six hundred and four million. We had 172 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 7: an uplift and that's resulted in more lives being saved. 173 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 7: But we can't stop there and do these one off 174 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 7: you know. I think we've got to get into ourselves 175 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 7: into a position in New Zealand where we're continually investing 176 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 7: in cancer and in health as opposed to reactively investing. 177 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 7: One of the things that this report does show is 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 7: there the things we're doing in the country that is 179 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 7: that are working well. So let's keep doing it. Let's 180 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 7: not do it as a one off or fund it 181 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 7: as a one off. Your screening is an example of 182 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 7: that and prevention. 183 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: And that is within our own orbits and we can 184 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: do that. That's up to us taking personal responsibility. But 185 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: I need to get down to the point of what 186 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: kind of level of extra funding might we need to 187 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: help you achieve these goals. 188 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 7: Well, look, I think there's three key areas that this 189 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 7: government could fund or the next government, and they are 190 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 7: the introduction of lung cancer screening. This report shows that 191 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 7: one of the biggest areas that we could have an 192 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 7: impact on is lung cancer. Your half of all cancer 193 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 7: deaths are. 194 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: From five Again, what sort of level of funding will 195 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: be needed? What's sort of money? 196 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 7: So there's actually a business case going to Treasury probably 197 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 7: are right about now or in the next couple of 198 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 7: weeks to funds a lung cancer screening program. So to 199 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 7: establish that, we're probably talking anywhere between fifteen to twenty 200 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 7: million for a lung cancer to introduce a lung cancer 201 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 7: screening program in New Zealand. I think the country country 202 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 7: knows bell cancer screening. We could say significant numbers of 203 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 7: lives if we started screening people for bel cancer at 204 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 7: age fifty. And I know the government know that. I 205 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 7: know they're making good steps. That's been reduced from sixty 206 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 7: to fifty eight already, but we've got to have a 207 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 7: plan to keep producing that getting that down to fifty. 208 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: All right, Nikola, thank you so very very much. That 209 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: is Nikola Comb from the Southern Kansas Society. And another 210 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: day to another call for funding. Hey, and on that 211 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: awkan's reeling after the random stabbing of a nice man 212 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: on a bus by a complete and crazy stranger, and 213 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 2: it's put the he bgb's up commuters, and it made 214 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: the news last night. It's really understandable. Of course, it's 215 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: everyone's worst fear to lose your life to a stranger 216 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: in a public place for no reason, and it's put 217 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 2: people off taking a bus. Remember it could have been anywhere. 218 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: It's happened before in supermarkets in Auckland and Dunedin. And 219 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: sometimes life is random, so it's not about the buses, 220 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: it's about the crazy person. And there we had Daisie 221 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: Simpson on the news last night, or con Deputy mayor 222 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: calling for more money to support our mental health services. 223 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: And remember ideally the established had never been on our 224 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: streets at all, but to make that happened as a 225 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: complex task and people will always fall through the cracks, 226 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: and as we're told time and time again, there's no money. 227 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: But you do have to ask a question where the 228 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: better mental health services? Yeah, is not something that we 229 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: need to skip on. It's a need to have, isn't 230 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: it not a nice to have? Five twenty get ahead. 231 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: Of the headlines on early edition with Andrew Dickens and 232 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: R The Supercenter explore R these successories and servicing all 233 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: in one news talk set me. 234 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: It is five twenty two. Could the worst of the 235 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: brain train be over? Are we actually a nice place 236 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: to live? Are people wanting to stay? And are people coming? 237 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 5: Well? 238 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: Stat's New Zealand figures for October so the migrant arrivals 239 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: were up seven percent on last year, migrant departures down 240 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: fourteen percent. People are coming and people are staying. The 241 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: monthly net migration gain was three thy six hundred compared 242 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: to a gain of sixteen hundred in September. So em 243 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: emeritus professor and Massa University sociologist Paul Soon Paul Spoonley, 244 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: excuse me, joins me this morning. Going to you, Paul, 245 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: is that it is at the end of their brain 246 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 2: drain at. 247 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 8: Good morning, andrews. Yes, we've turned a bit of a corner, 248 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 8: it appears, so I'm optimistic that we're beginning to see 249 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 8: it plateauing, if not turning around. 250 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so first let's look at the migrant arrivals up 251 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: seven percent. Where are these people coming from and why 252 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: are they coming? 253 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 8: The big three countries are India, China, and the Philippines 254 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 8: in that order. Indian arrivals tend to dominate most feasic categories. 255 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 8: I would say one thing about the Chinese arrivals, and 256 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 8: that is for every two Chinese that come to New Zealand, 257 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 8: one returns to China. So that's not quite the turnaround 258 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 8: for some of the other groups. The Filipinos are big 259 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 8: and we certainly have seen them arrive in numbers in 260 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 8: the last decade. There is one very interesting bit to 261 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 8: all of this, and that is that in terms of 262 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 8: UK migrants, we're seeing more leaves than arrive. 263 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go to the migrant departures. The people 264 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: running away from this place down fourteen percent. So does 265 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: this mean that they can see better times around the corner? 266 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 9: Yeah? 267 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 8: I think so. I think so. There is a butt 268 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 8: Andrew and the but is the New Zealanders. So we're 269 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 8: still seeing more than seventy thousand New Zealanders leave on 270 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 8: a twelve month cycle, and that loss is still hanging 271 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 8: around that forty five thousand mark. So the pull of 272 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 8: Australia is still very very strong. But in terms of 273 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 8: migrants non New Zealand migrant departures. That's looking a bit healthier. 274 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: Well, a bit of good news for this Thursday morning, 275 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: and I thank you so much, Professor Paul Spinley. This 276 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: is News Talk Set B five twenty. 277 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: Five, the early edition full the Show podcast on iHeartRadio 278 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks at. 279 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: Me, said B five twenty seven. I'mandrew Dickens. You know, 280 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: the story that's been getting my goat all this week 281 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: has been the accusation that New Zealanders take too long 282 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: a holiday over the Christmas January period. And this story 283 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: just keeps on burbling along. It started on the weekend. 284 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: We've got business owners and economists, Simon Bridges and talk 285 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: back callers all alleging that the country closes down for 286 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: the month and it kills our productivity. But you know, 287 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: there's absolutely no proof of that, and all these allegations 288 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: seem a little better than reckens. And let's remember the 289 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: rest of the Christian world are also off for Christmas 290 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: New Year, so we're not losing competitiveness over that week. 291 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: I'll be now. And of course, remember the northern Hemisphere 292 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: closes down for August while we're here working our butts off. 293 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: Maybe some of the people moaning about the summer break 294 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: have lost track of the reality for most New Zealand workers. 295 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: For most of us, the military minimum statuary leave for 296 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: most New Zealanders is just four weeks after a year 297 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: of employment, twenty precious days that we then have to 298 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: eke out over twelve months. There are four big school 299 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: holiday periods parents need to think about that need to 300 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: take a break. For most New Zealanders, a big summer 301 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: holiday might last until the second week of January, and 302 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: that's it. And the longer you take over some of 303 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: the longer you have to work over the rest of 304 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: the year. Only a very few people casually skive off 305 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: for January, the people who have successful businesses, who have 306 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: managers in place, the semi retired, and all those superstars 307 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: whose success during the year grants them privilege. And I'm 308 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: looking at you, Mike Costking and the other group of 309 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: the lawyers. Partly because the courts closed down now while 310 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: judges have nice summer holidays that only allowed a weekened 311 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: spring during the rest of the year, so the lawyers 312 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: can't work, so they bugger off to their beautiful batches. 313 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: And that's why lawyers were the most concerned at the 314 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: dropping of the new resource management system this week because 315 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: there's a six week submission period and that means the 316 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: lawyers are going to have to work all summer like 317 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: the rest of us. That's why they're grumpy. Five twenty nine. 318 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: In the next half hour, we're going to talk about 319 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: the social media band in Australia and whether it's time 320 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: to do it now in New Zealand. We're going to 321 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: talk to a feller from ACT who's driving along the 322 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: possible legislation and Nicholas Reckins, we are way too woke 323 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: for a social ban for kids and simply do not 324 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: have the OZ guts in any way. So you saw 325 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: what happened with Australia and you've had a day or 326 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: so to actually digest it, do you think the same 327 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: thing should happen here? Yesterday when we were talking about 328 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: a lot of people were saying, well, the best thing 329 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: about it is it gives parents a tool saying get 330 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: off to social media. You know it's illegal, and that's 331 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: actually the best way to police it. So what do 332 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 2: you think you can text me ninety two naughty to 333 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: do so that Mitch me can and all our correspondents 334 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: from right around New Zealand on Early edition with News Talk. 335 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: ZMB on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early Edition 336 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and are the super Center explore these 337 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: accessories and so sinking Paul in One News talks that'd be. 338 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: The world and be the extended family. Here comes Christmas 339 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: is at my place this year again. That's gonna be 340 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: a big day of work. It's twenty three to six 341 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: and I'm Andrew Dickens, social media band in New Zealand. 342 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: What do you reckon? We're going to talk to palms 343 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Eat Palma from Act about it and she's got some 344 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: thoughts about the whole thing. I asked you, what's your thoughts? 345 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: Textas says, I don't believe we should introduce a social 346 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: media ban in this country. It's not up to this 347 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: government to raise our kids. Parents need to take accountability 348 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: and stop being lazy. And then what's happening after that? 349 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: You know, one step after another, little by little, bit 350 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: by bit doesn't mean a digital ID will they be 351 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: praying on all of us? So thank you for your 352 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: text and my text. It's the parent's job to not 353 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: buy kids a smartphot and to turn the Wi Fi 354 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: off at home. So palms heat to palma on this 355 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: a little bit later on, the whole cancers thing is 356 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: a thing, and as I said, four three of my 357 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: very closest friends are actually having a battle against it. 358 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: Almost all of them had went straight to stage four 359 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: once they found that they did have the cancer. Yes, 360 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: they could have actually checked earlier, but actually no, that's 361 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: not right. Two of them found it because of a 362 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: regular check, and that's a breast cancer. And most famously, 363 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: my friend Mel, you probably know Mel, who one day 364 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: was at a pilates class, had a blood test. Next 365 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: day she's in hospital getting chemo for leukemia. And the 366 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: thing about that is it's curable, but it's curable with 367 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 2: stem cell therapy. And the thing about stem cell therapy 368 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: is it's very expensive and so it's somewhat rationed. So 369 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: the longer she has to wait for funding to get 370 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: the stem cell therapy means another session of chemotherapy that 371 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: she has to go through, another session of being in 372 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: the hospital, more money being spent. 373 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: There. 374 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: You wonder whether it's a false economy, don't you? It 375 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: is twenty one to six. Well, the country we go 376 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: Callen Procter joins us from Otaga. Good morning morning Andrew. 377 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: You go to warning for Otago boaties, Yeah, look we do. 378 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 10: They could soon be navigating some new safety rules as 379 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 10: a fresh by law that's been proposed to regulate vessel 380 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 10: movements and speed limits across our waterways and Otago, So 381 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 10: that includes the Busy Lakes, Dunston, Warnaka and Hawia's. The 382 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 10: key changes include new anchoring rules, a mandatory automatic ID 383 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 10: tracking system for commercial vehicles with twelve or more passengers, 384 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 10: and all vessels over fifteen meters. Harbourmaster Steve Rushbrooks told 385 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 10: us that most of these existing or most of the 386 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 10: existing by law will remain with just a few important 387 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 10: additions and submissions are open now on this through until 388 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 10: jan twelve. 389 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: How's your weather? 390 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 10: Some heavy afternoon showers with thunderstorms and hail expected today 391 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 10: seventeen the high and I thank you. 392 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: Jamie Cunningham joins me now from Canterbury. Hello Jamie, good morning, 393 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: and we've got business confidence figures out. 394 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 11: Yes, so Business Canterbury's latest survey shows seventy five percent 395 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 11: of businesses are expecting stronger economic conditions and improved financial 396 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 11: performance next year. However, confidence in the ability to bounce 397 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 11: back from disruption is slipping away. Chief executive Leanne Watson 398 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 11: says it's been a tough five years for business, with 399 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 11: debt mounting and growing concerns about AI. She says the 400 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 11: business community needs certainty, consistency and conditions to help turn 401 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 11: confidence into productivity. Watson says if the cost of living 402 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 11: comes down, there will hopefully be more certainty in the year. 403 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: Acute, how's your weather? 404 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 11: Becoming partly cloudy in the morning, then showers developing in 405 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 11: the evening, some heavy with thunderstorms and hail possible as 406 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 11: well in a high of nineteen And. 407 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: To Wellington we go, Max Tol, Good morning to you. 408 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 12: Good morning. 409 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: I think we should start actually with your weather because 410 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: it's day two of the test and it was an 411 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: interesting day yesterday. What's your weather like? 412 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 12: Yeah, you'd have to have said it was perfect barring 413 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 12: one very unfortunate injury. Mainly find today pretty much the 414 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 12: same as yesterday with some later SOUTHERLYASA getting up into 415 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 12: the twenties again. 416 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: Come on, New Zealand. Now you've got a couple of 417 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: locals being honored at Victoria Universally today. 418 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 12: Yeah, two alumni being presented with honorary doctorates. That's a 419 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 12: business leader Dame Theresa Gathing and the legal luminary Sir 420 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 12: David Carruthers being honored for their contributions in their respective fields. 421 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 12: A Gathing, of course, previously CEO Telecom co founded My 422 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 12: Food Bag, but is specifically being praised for her push 423 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 12: for social equity. She's founded a lot of nonprofits worked 424 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 12: with the SPCA as well. In terms of her business credentials, 425 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 12: they hardly need stating she once made Fortune's fifty Most 426 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 12: Powerful Women in World Business list at one time. Caruthers 427 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 12: himself will be awarded a Doctor of Law for his 428 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 12: long serving career stints as a Family and Youth Court 429 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 12: judge in Wellington at one point as well the longest 430 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 12: serving member of the New Zealand legal community. Carruthers also 431 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 12: has been the chair of the IPCA and the Parole Board. 432 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: Great stuff and congratulations to all, and I thank you 433 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: would neither written. Man who joins us from Auckland High 434 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: Good morning. So new insights gained after the death of 435 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: a man at Murduway Beach. 436 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 13: Yes, now look this happened earlier this year. You remember this, 437 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 13: Sandre and it brought attention to a danger not immediately 438 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 13: obvious to some beach goers. So twenty eight year old 439 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 13: Caine Gofton, also referred to as Cane Watson and previous 440 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 13: reporting now he died in hospital back in August, two 441 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 13: days after a sand dune collapsed on him while he 442 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 13: was digging a hole. So a coroner has come out 443 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 13: and has found that Gofton died from complications of cardiaca 444 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 13: rescue to entrapment and asphyxia. They've found that, look, the 445 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 13: twenty eight year old's own actions ultimately led to his death, 446 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 13: so there's no evidence that actions or inactions of others 447 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 13: could have changed the outcome. But the coroner is saying 448 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 13: to everyone, look, heading into summer, obviously everyone's going to 449 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 13: go to the beach, and it's important that everyone's aware 450 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 13: of the risks of sand dunes, which you know, they 451 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 13: can become unstable without water. 452 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: Of course, of course, no tunneling, kids, no tunneling. 453 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 13: Exactly. 454 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: How's the weather fine? 455 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 13: Apart from morning cloud charts of an afternoon shower, still warm, hot, hot, 456 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 13: hot twenty six and. 457 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: I thank you. Meanwhile, in Sydney, their new Sydney Plan 458 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: is out and they say that there's going to be 459 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: six and a half million people living in Sydney by 460 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: twenty forty five. Now that's up by one point two 461 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: million from how many live there right now, what is 462 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: it five point seven on? So how are they going 463 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: to cope? The new Draft Sydney Plan is out and 464 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: its strategy to cope with these extra one point two 465 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: million people is to organize the fast growing population around 466 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: forty interconnected centers to provide the most jobs and services. 467 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: They'll be spread across the city, anchored by Sydney and 468 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: Paramatta CBDs, also the emerging city of Bradfield, which is 469 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: out by the new Western Sydney Airport. But the thing is, 470 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: yeah that what they're saying is intensify around transport harbs. 471 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: Sound familiar, That's exactly what all comes doing. It is 472 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: seventeen to six News. Talk to hereb. We're off to 473 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: America with Mitch McCann next. You know, there's nothing more 474 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: iconic than a Kiwi summer road trip. And imagine hitting 475 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: the highway in a Kia Kia Elite motor home. That 476 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: feeling when you wind down the window, you get that 477 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: freedom to get the music up. We got the sun 478 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: on your face and the whole country is just waiting 479 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 2: to be explored and you've got your bedroom in the back. 480 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: Your adventure doesn't start when you arrive somewhere. 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Check out the deals 489 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: online or visit RV Supercenter in Auckland, Hamilton, Parmiston North 490 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: or christ Church and make this the summer you'll always 491 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: remember with r V Supercenter and T's and C. 492 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: Supply, International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of 493 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand. 494 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: Business thirteen to Sex to America, We go match we can. 495 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Andrew, Good morning, how are you well. 496 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: John Trump did a rally overnight in Mount Pecono, Pennsylvania 497 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 2: for ninety minutes, and he tried to convince the people 498 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: that the economy is okay. 499 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Donald Trump traveled there. 500 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 4: I tried to tout the success of the economy at 501 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 4: the moment, he's trying to convince Americans that things are 502 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 4: perhaps better than they might seem to be. And this 503 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 4: is the first of a series of rallies that Donald 504 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 4: Trump's going to be doing across the United States. And 505 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: part of it is also because Donald Trump has been 506 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: accused of spending too much time dealing with overseas conflicts 507 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 4: than the cost of living here in the United States. Now, 508 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: like all his speeches, he wandered across a range of topics. 509 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 4: During ninety minutes, he moved away from the teleprompter and 510 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 4: talked about all different things. It has to be said, Andrew, 511 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 4: the stock market has been soaring here in the US, 512 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 4: and we are seeing complete tariff chaos, chaos yet that 513 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 4: Americans are still feeling the pinch of the cost of living. 514 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 5: There's a new pole from Gallup that's come out in 515 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: the last couple of days. 516 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 4: Twenty one percent of Americans described economic conditions as excellent 517 00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 4: or good. 518 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 5: That's not a high number saying they are poor. 519 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: So Donald Trump has this difficult task now trying to 520 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: get convince people, you know, his own supporters that things 521 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 4: are better than they might seem to be exactly. 522 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: And I saw in that poll also fifty five percent 523 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: of Americans blame the Trump administration for the high prices 524 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: at the grocery store. So it's not a cover for 525 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: him yet, but it's certainly getting to be a pain 526 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 2: in the bum. 527 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 4: Right. 528 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: We have new plans in America to scrutinize visitors social media. 529 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, Andrew. This is a story that could 530 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 5: affect New Zealanders coming to the United States. A massive change. 531 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 4: Customs and Border Protection here in the US has requested 532 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 4: feedback on a new proposal that would see travelers from 533 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 4: visa waiver countries like New Zealand's undergo a review of 534 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 4: their social media for up to five years. Now, if 535 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 4: you visit the US currently as a traveler, you can 536 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 4: apply for what's called in esther and many of our 537 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 4: listeners will have done that before. 538 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 5: It's basic information you have to provide. 539 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 4: This may require you to provide social media and the 540 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 4: nation for the last five years. 541 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: So a massive change is the US cracks down on immigration, 542 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 5: and I thank you, Mitch mcchannon. 543 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: That's only going to make things even more even more 544 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: time delays getting into the States, it's eleven. 545 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: To six youth dogs'd be so in the wake. 546 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: Of Australia booting under sixteens off social media, our own 547 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: government's Education and Workforce Committee has dropped its interim report 548 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 2: on youth online harm and it's recommended cross party support 549 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: on a potential age ban here and the creation of 550 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 2: a new online regulator. So Dr Palmjek Palmer represents Act 551 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: on that committee, the Education and Workforce Committee, and Palmjeek 552 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: joins me, now, hello, hello, So are you in support 553 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: of the age band? 554 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 9: So what I would say is that you will see 555 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 9: that we have a differing view in the report. And 556 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 9: the reason for the different view is that we felt 557 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 9: as the parties are the parties that is National and 558 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 9: Labor are getting ahead of themselves because there is more 559 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 9: work that needs to be and so what we saw 560 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 9: was that they were already jumping to policy recommendations talking 561 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 9: about the band. 562 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: So what work needs to be done? Do we need 563 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: to be just sitting back and just watching whether the 564 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: Australian thing works? 565 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 9: So definitely, I would say to my parliamentary colleague that 566 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 9: we need to take a deep breath. We should watch 567 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 9: the role out of this policy in Australia because this 568 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 9: is a natural experiment happening and we had this great 569 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 9: opportunity to learn from them in real time. So we 570 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 9: should not be rushing for a policy of ban because 571 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 9: in my view, it would be kind of irresponsible for 572 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 9: us to do that because we can learn from Australia. 573 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 9: And also already I'm seeing some reports in media about 574 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 9: young people trying to get around the band. So the 575 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 9: ultimate goal is to reduce harm, but with what is happening, 576 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 9: we know that we will be pushing young people into unregulated, 577 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 9: harder to monitor, darker spaces of Internet, so there will 578 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 9: be more suffering, suffering, more suffering and more secretly. 579 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: So in that case, you need an online regulator, and 580 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 2: that's been proposed in this report. So what would an 581 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: online regulator do? 582 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 9: So the idea of this report was actually to summarize 583 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 9: what we have heard and also summarized the advice. So 584 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 9: the idea of this report and trim Report was not 585 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 9: to provide any solutions or recommendations, and that is what 586 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 9: our concern is. So we need to do more work 587 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 9: in the Select Committee to ensure that we come to 588 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 9: right kind of conclusions. And if you asked me, I 589 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 9: trust then as a solution at this stage what I'm 590 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 9: seeing in Australia, my response will be now and we 591 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 9: need to understand more what this regulator would do, because 592 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 9: we need to understand what the powers of this regulator 593 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 9: will be. So what I'm saying is that at this 594 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 9: stage we needed to actually just summarize submissions and summarize advice. 595 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 9: But seeing that some parties have jumped to policy recommendations, 596 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 9: actually that compromise. 597 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, exactly, Can I just summarize? Can I just 598 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: summarize it? Therefore that you and act say, ty Hoe, 599 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: let's have a look at what's happening, and you don't rush. 600 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: But you're saying that National and Labor they're they're rushing 601 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: in fact too quickly because they feel it's a positive thing. 602 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: It's a good vote killer, vote win. 603 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 9: So our concern is this that the ultimate goal of 604 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 9: this inquiry was to provide some kind of solutions. So 605 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 9: if we identify some risks, we have to come up 606 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 9: with solutions. Just like cars, we know they're dangerous, we 607 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 9: need seed bets, we need road rules, so we need 608 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 9: to do something, but that doesn't mean we jump to 609 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 9: this conclusion of a pen or a regulator. That was 610 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 9: not the purpose of this report. So you'll remember that 611 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 9: when I wrote to the Selectimitty, the plan was to 612 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 9: provide a report in November, and then the Selecumity realizes 613 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 9: it's actually a bigger task than it was imagined, and 614 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 9: that's why this support is split into two parts. The 615 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 9: first part was about submissions and advice, not jumping to 616 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 9: policy recommendations without getting proper advice on solutions and recommendations 617 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 9: and how they would work. 618 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: Ange I thank you Panji Parma as the exposperson who's 619 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: on that committee, and says tie home of it. Scott 620 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: writes many adults do not know how to use social 621 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: media safely and appropriately. 622 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 12: Either. 623 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: The focus should be on education, as this is something 624 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: that's not going to go away. Teach our children, they 625 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: are our future, says Scott. It's now seven minutes to. 626 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: Six views and views you trust to start your day. 627 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: It's earlyer this ship with Andrew Dickins and our V 628 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: Supercenter explore our VS Accessories and servicing Fall and one 629 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: news talks. 630 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: I'd be mentioned earlier. The Christmas is at mine, and 631 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: Taylor writes, how many people at yours? Andrew and I've 632 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: done a bit of a total. I think about twenty five. 633 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: Taylor writes, my partner and I host this year forty 634 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 2: two people. 635 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 5: Too many? 636 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: A good morning, I know, forty two people. There's so 637 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: much work out on a Christmas Day. 638 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. 639 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 14: And this is the thing is that that actually doing 640 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 14: christ like hosting anybody, is actually really tough work because 641 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 14: you've got to get every thing prepared, You've got the 642 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 14: mental load of it. Then you're actually doing it. You're 643 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 14: the host, You're not getting to sit down, and then 644 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 14: after they all leave, you the one cleaning up. 645 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: How many times have you actually hosted a party and 646 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: then you realize you've not drunk anything or eaten anything 647 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: because you've been too busy tiding everything. 648 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 14: Absolutely so many times. 649 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 8: I see. 650 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 14: My family is really good about it because I've got 651 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 14: the youngest kids in the family, so we don't we 652 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 14: don't have to host. 653 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: And my mom is awesome. 654 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 14: She comes around, just does all the stuff to help 655 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 14: me out. 656 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: So I love your mom you you, I do love 657 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: your mon No, my mom, I know your mam, and 658 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: I do love it. And the other hour of the 659 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: problem is that Helen's side of the family, she's the 660 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: youngest of seven. Yeah, oh wow, so that's how you 661 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: end up with forty two. You know, it's a lot 662 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: of people, far too many people. 663 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 9: People. 664 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: Nicola Willis is attacking the banks and is that a 665 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: diversion because everybody is attacking Nicholas n. 666 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 14: No, Nicola Willis loves attacking the banks because it makes 667 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 14: her look, makes it look relatable, right, like she understands 668 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 14: our pain. Yeah, it's a good move from her. But anyway, 669 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 14: we're going to be talking about the social media thing 670 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 14: in New Zealand, seeing whether we're going to follow Australia today. 671 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 2: Cool Heather. Next, I'm Andrew Dickins thinking to produce a 672 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: Kenza see tomorrow. Something made me bead t in the 673 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: middle not any means little. 674 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: For more from Earlily Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 675 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: to news Talks it be from five am weekdays, or 676 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.