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Speaker 2: Heead be balling you, Andre, Welcome today the government of

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Speaker 2: the two hundred million for Genesis shares, the economy turnaround

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Speaker 2: gathers more Heptor's retail sales lift. The EU Ambassador is

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Speaker 2: in on the fourth anniversary of the Russia invasion in

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine. Andy Wilman of top Here of Grand Tour

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Speaker 2: of Clarkson's farm in after Right, Catherine is in France

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Speaker 2: and Rod is in Britain, tasking welcome to the day

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Speaker 2: seven pass six. The headline I assume was written an

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Speaker 2: age ago and ready to be rolled out when the

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Speaker 2: timing was right. Will the former Prince Andrew and Epstein

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Speaker 2: bring down the monarchy? It's always hard to tell whether

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Speaker 2: that sort of headline, which has of course been rolled

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Speaker 2: out many times before throughout history, is driven by a

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Speaker 2: general anti monarchist view, or whether they've worked themselves into

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Speaker 2: a new larva looking for clickbait. I feel dreadfully sorry,

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Speaker 2: of course for the real royals, especially the King in

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Speaker 2: his air. The answer is, of course to the headline No,

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Speaker 2: and the reason is that most people, often through their

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Speaker 2: own personal experience, understand that having someone in the family

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Speaker 2: that is an issue does in no way reflect on you.

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Speaker 2: You don't choose family, and many families have their collection

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Speaker 2: of oddities. It's just most families are not famous or

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Speaker 2: hereditarily important or publicly elected. It's quite obvious to anyone

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Speaker 2: who's followed royalty that one of the sad aspects of

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Speaker 2: the monarchy is that there is royal and there is royal.

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Speaker 2: The king and his son a serious royalty. They've got

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Speaker 2: constitutional as well as political standing. Andrew and Edward and

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Speaker 2: fill in the names of a very very long line

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Speaker 2: of family members do not, nor have they ever. Harry's

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Speaker 2: technically fifth in line to be king, but no one

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Speaker 2: takes them seriously. He isn't tied up with Epstein. He's

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Speaker 2: just a tragic His uncle is eight. He is tied

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Speaker 2: up with Epstein, but no one's taking him seriously either.

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Speaker 2: The monarchy, it is true, doesn't need this, no family does.

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Speaker 2: But it at no point indicates the monarchy is in

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Speaker 2: any trouble whatsoever. It is sad, yes, does it bring

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Speaker 2: grief and embarrassment to the family. I assume so. But

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Speaker 2: the beauty of the monarchy is its history. It has

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Speaker 2: faced far worse things than this, and in several hundred years,

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Speaker 2: no one's going to remember any of it. Epstein is

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Speaker 2: a very serious, but nevertheless very modern, news cycle driven calamity.

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Speaker 2: If Howard Lutnik can go to the island on holiday,

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Speaker 2: I know and cares. The king having a half wit

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Speaker 2: of a brother isn't changing anything. Material monarchies are troubled

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Speaker 2: when the monarch and their suitability is in question. That

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Speaker 2: question has been asked throughout history. It isn't being asked

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Speaker 2: this time. Guilt by unlucky association is not guilt at all.

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Speaker 2: The King carries on.

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Speaker 3: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the royals, Elbows written to Keer about dumping Andy.

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Speaker 4: I'm writing to confirm that my government would agree to

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Speaker 4: any proposal to remove him from the line of royal succession.

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Speaker 4: I agree with his Majesty that the law must now

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Speaker 4: take its full course and that there must be a full,

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Speaker 4: fair and proper investigation.

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Speaker 2: Also in Britain, reform riding high in the polls, have

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Speaker 2: promised a special agency to boot a legals out of

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 5: We will create a legal obligation for the Home Secretary

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Speaker 5: to deport all those in this country illegally, and we

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Speaker 5: will pass a law.

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Speaker 6: That makes clear that if you come into this country illegally,

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Speaker 6: you will never be granted asylum.

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Speaker 7: End of store.

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Speaker 2: As far as the government goes, they're heading out Sopecial

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Speaker 2: needs money today to schools.

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Speaker 8: I will cut the disadvantage gas in half. School leaders

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Speaker 8: care about this just as much as I do. But

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Speaker 8: the way we fund their efforts does the nor favors

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Speaker 8: too much comes as a yes no, on off solution

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Speaker 8: a problem of scale and detail, So we'll change it.

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Speaker 2: Across the continent, they're about to mark four years of

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Speaker 2: the war, but helped once again is being held up

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Speaker 2: as hungry keeps vetoing stuff. The Lithuanians are sick.

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Speaker 9: Of it now.

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Speaker 10: That undermines the whole credibility of European Union and undermines

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Speaker 10: the European idea and also diminishes the chances for Europe

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Speaker 10: to become the geopolitical actor.

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Speaker 2: Then the sites a couple of things, as Shine Bam

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Speaker 2: in Mexico along with Trump and Washington rubbed out the

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Speaker 2: drug Lordel Machia is today. The claim now is all

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Speaker 2: hell's broken.

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Speaker 11: Listen, I congratulate Mexico because the Trump adminished is constantly

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Speaker 11: threatened in Mexico coming it wants to send troops. It's

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Speaker 11: up the Castols, and that Mexico isn't doing enough. This

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Speaker 11: sends a powerful message to the Trump administration that Mexico

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Speaker 11: is fighting and fighting hard and effectively.

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Speaker 2: And second, up north, a little bit out east, she's cold,

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Speaker 12: This is one of those trips. It's really up to

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Speaker 12: about my waist, takes it out of you. This tree

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Speaker 12: here was vertical last night, so the snow has packed

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Speaker 12: it down. And this is what's happening across the entire northeast.

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Speaker 2: Coast right, so not overly fit. Then that's news of

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Speaker 2: the world. In ninety the Europeans have got no idea

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Speaker 2: what's happening with the teriffs. They're now worried. They put

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Speaker 2: off a vote overnight. They're now worried that the trade

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Speaker 2: deal's done with America. Are now mean nothing. Also, Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and Iran and Geneva and literally just breaking a moment

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Speaker 2: ago they've wheeled Mandelssohn off. This is the feeds have

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Speaker 2: turned up in a little ford hetchback and rounded them

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Speaker 2: up and taking them off for a few questions. Twelve

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Speaker 2: Just to confirm for you this Tuesday morning, the robots

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Speaker 13: Good morning, Very good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: They're a good news story, aren't they they are.

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Speaker 13: I was going to say, actually, let's start with the

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Speaker 13: good stuff this morning, but I think it's all good

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Speaker 13: to morning. I think we're all positive stuff anyway.

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Speaker 15: The Official Park of Healthcare one of the biggest individual

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Speaker 15: components on the Internet's fifty so it can be a

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Speaker 15: key contributor or detractor from a portfolio performance. So if

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Speaker 15: you own it and it's going well, your portfolio will

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Speaker 15: align to the market and vice versa and all the

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Speaker 15: other combinations of that. And I think it's also sometimes

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Speaker 15: underrecognized as one of our most successful New Zealand companies.

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Speaker 15: If you think about the global penetration in the areas

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Speaker 15: they operated, you know.

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Speaker 13: Obstructive sleep up there. It's a rock star. Anyway, share

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Speaker 13: price had a good pop yesterday.

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Speaker 15: It was up a dollar forty three, which is just

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Speaker 15: under a four percent lift. And the share price has

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Speaker 15: has contributed quite significantly to overall market volatility. Is now

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Speaker 15: pushing back up towards the forty dot age, which will

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Speaker 15: lift the spirits of shareholders. That pop high yesterday followed

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Speaker 15: renewed guidance to the ends and acts relating to revenue

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Speaker 15: and profit. So in November the company advised the Stock

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Speaker 15: Exchange that operating revenue would be in a range of

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Speaker 15: two point one seven to two point twenty seven billion.

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Speaker 15: Is a bit of an aside that just give you

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Speaker 15: an idea of the scale, doesn't of the business. They

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Speaker 15: are over two billion dollars of revenue that would have

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Speaker 15: translated into net putout attacks of four hundred and ten

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Speaker 15: outlook and now expect operating revenue of two point three

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Speaker 13: Upper end of that previous arrange.

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Speaker 15: So definitely a positive announcement, but also there's evidence here

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Speaker 15: of this kind of what you've just referred to, this

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Speaker 15: on the legality of Trump administration tariffs and sort of

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Speaker 15: what happens now. Fisher and pikeal health Garacter referred to this.

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Speaker 15: They say this guiss does not incorporate any potential refund

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Speaker 15: as to what happens now. It's a bit of a

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Speaker 7: A global problem.

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Speaker 13: It's symptomatic of conversations we've been having all over the world.

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Speaker 15: The basis of this upgrade continued good growth in their

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Speaker 15: full range of hospital products. So great announcement, very very quickly.

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Speaker 15: Some great numbers I haven't got time to talk about

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Speaker 15: in detail. Tourism holdings THHL, great numbers yesterday, share price

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Speaker 2: Good stuff retail trade. What I like about this is

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Speaker 2: the word discretionary. We're buying fun stuff.

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Speaker 13: We are now.

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Speaker 15: So I've been updating you over the last couple of

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Speaker 15: the final quarter of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 13: So it's official retail trade data. What have we got?

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Speaker 15: confidence reflected in stronger retail spending, wouldn't we make but

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Speaker 15: without it being sort of wanton and overly frothy. So

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Speaker 15: we want goldilocks retail spending not too hot, not too cold.

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Speaker 7: It is moving.

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Speaker 15: In that general direction, so a continuation of improving fortunes

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Speaker 15: for retail spending. Outcome for the last court of last

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Speaker 15: year was better than the market was expecting zero point

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Speaker 15: nine percent rise and volume goods sold versus zero point

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Speaker 15: and yeah, you're dead right. A couple of nice things

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Speaker 15: And the spend was that the makeup of the spend

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Speaker 15: spending going up and discretionary spending lifting as well.

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Speaker 13: So all in all, the good announcement.

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Speaker 2: Nicholas whethers after seven o'clock, so shees on the hook

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Speaker 2: for a couple of hundred million dollars. I'm assuming there's

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Speaker 2: plenty of dough out there for Genesis.

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Speaker 15: Well, it would appear to be because this follows hot

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Speaker 15: for more capital.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, Genesis looking for another four hundred million.

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Speaker 15: Slightly different context has have been widely reported over the.

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Speaker 13: Last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 15: Genesis is partly owned by the Crown, the government, so

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Speaker 15: it's a catalyst for effectively what is now a call

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Speaker 15: on the crown for two hundred million, because the Crown

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Speaker 15: is said it will retain its current majority ownership. So

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Speaker 15: it's going to use the funds that reduce a bit

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Speaker 15: of debt but allow them to accelerate those growth opportunities.

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Speaker 15: Renewable generation keeps coming up in these conversations, doesn't it make?

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Speaker 15: And also the Genesis got the issue of trying to

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Speaker 2: three thousand were handed out originally, as my understanding, and

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Speaker 2: the wrong direction. That's the right wrong direction overall, when

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Speaker 2: you take all the positives, all the negatives of all

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Speaker 2: adults in America, he's minus twelve, so he's underwater. As

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Speaker 2: they say Latinos, he's underwater at minus nineteen. White Americans

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Speaker 2: minus ten, Black Americans minus seven Republicans minus eight six forty.

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Speaker 16: Five International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 16: mind for New Zealand business trans Captain, how are you?

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Speaker 19: I'm wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for asking.

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Speaker 2: We've got, as it turns out, we've got the EU

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Speaker 2: ambassador on the program. Later on, Goy called Lawrence Meriti

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Speaker 2: on the four year anniversary. So let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: four year anniversary in a moment. Specifically, though this hungry

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Speaker 2: blocking Lithuania ropaball every how much has Europe been a

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Speaker 2: problem for Europe in these past four years?

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Speaker 20: At the start it wasn't too bad. They really did react,

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Speaker 20: They realized that this was a problem that Europe had

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Speaker 20: to deal with it. When we talk about you at

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Speaker 20: this the EU. Where it started to get let's said dodgy,

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Speaker 20: was when the Hungarian Prime ministervant got all Bank got involved.

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Speaker 20: He is, of course, on the right of the spectrum,

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Speaker 20: is very close to Russian President Vladimir Putin. He has

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Speaker 20: always been a thorn in the EU side. He's always

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Speaker 20: said I don't like this, I don't like this, and

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Speaker 20: he's tried to veto many proposals to help Ukraine. The

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Speaker 20: EU thought that found a way around that, by an

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Speaker 20: typical EU way. They when it came to the vote

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Speaker 20: at the leader's meetings, they got Auburn to leave the room.

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Speaker 20: That worked for a while. The problem is now that

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Speaker 20: Hungarians are going to go to the polls in April,

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Speaker 20: and Auburn needs to win these elections to stay in power.

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Speaker 20: It doesn't look good from it at the moment. So

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Speaker 20: for his electorate, standing up to the EU and saying no,

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Speaker 20: you know, we need to have that oil flowing through

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Speaker 20: from Russia, which flows through Ukraine, that's got to be

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Speaker 20: put back, that looks good for his electorate. So there

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Speaker 20: is your weak spot if you're looking for one, mate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's what. I can't remember when his election is

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Speaker 2: is a March or April, April April, And as he

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Speaker 2: it is, I am reading it has suggested he's in

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Speaker 2: real trouble electorally speaking.

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Speaker 20: He is in real trouble. So this standing up for

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Speaker 20: you know, for Hungary, standing up for Russia that will

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Speaker 20: play well might not play well enough because it does

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Speaker 20: look as though he's big trouble. But certainly, you know,

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Speaker 20: for Ukraine, the fact that at the last minute he

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Speaker 20: did there's ordered, there's back to back veto of two

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Speaker 20: big packages to help out Ukraine. You know, let's see

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Speaker 20: how that plays locally for him in Hungary.

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Speaker 2: So to the war itself, wind does it end? I

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Speaker 2: mean the police talks are going nowhere. Trump seems less

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Speaker 2: and less interested. He's got a million other things on

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Speaker 2: his plate Europe. I mean, wind does it in?

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Speaker 21: It ends?

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Speaker 20: When Vladimir Pusian designs it will end at the moment,

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Speaker 20: he can't have it end, because the word is if

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Speaker 20: it ends him looking as though he's lost, then that

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Speaker 20: means he'll be thrown out of power in Russia. He

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Speaker 20: will have no legitimacy in Russia. Having taken his country

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Speaker 20: down this road. They've expended enormous amounts of their youth,

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Speaker 20: their talent, their their warfare ability. That's gone now, so

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Speaker 20: he has to go right till the end. He's made

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Speaker 20: it known and independent Ukraine cannot be allowed to exist.

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Speaker 20: So he's been clear. He can't really walk away now,

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Speaker 20: even though we know the destruction that's been caused a Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Are you any wiser on the terror gr than we are,

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Speaker 2: which we aren't. I mean, what do.

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Speaker 3: You do well?

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Speaker 20: I think the word on the street here Mike is

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Speaker 20: everyone is scrambling for clarification. I mean, no one quite

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Speaker 20: knows what's going on.

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Speaker 2: The only one.

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Speaker 20: Who's really seen to reacted was the EU Trade Committee,

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Speaker 20: which had been due to vote on Tuesday for removing

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Speaker 20: tariff's on US industrial goods coming into Europe. Now, that

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Speaker 20: was part of that big deal that was signed last

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Speaker 20: year in Scotland between Trump and the European Commission that

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Speaker 20: has now been put on ice. The dealers on ice

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Speaker 20: that's not going anywhere were essentially what the EU has

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Speaker 20: done and said, wow, you know, the validity of any

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Speaker 20: deal to do with trade is now being questioned. And

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Speaker 20: I suppose the nicest way anyone put it was it

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Speaker 20: is pure tariff chaos when it comes to trade at

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Speaker 20: the moment.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me how you get and given what's

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Speaker 2: happened to the loub lately, how is it you can?

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Speaker 2: I mean, how is it possible you just wander and

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Speaker 2: hang a photo on the wall. How does that work?

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 21: It would seem pretty easy, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 14: Mike.

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Speaker 20: I think despite the fact that they have huge also

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Speaker 20: called huge security at the Loover after that, after the

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Speaker 20: theft of the Crown jewels, that it would seem it's

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Speaker 20: quite easy. On Sunday, a group which is very famous

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Speaker 20: for pranks, a group called Everyone Hates Elon, managed to

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Speaker 20: nip him to the loover and hang on the wall

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Speaker 20: that famous photo which we now have the roycest photo

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Speaker 20: of Andrew mount Batton Windsor being driven away from the

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Speaker 20: police station in Norfolk where he'd been detained.

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Speaker 2: That he actually managed to put.

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Speaker 20: A title to that photo and they put on the

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Speaker 20: wall they said he's sweating now, And of course that's

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Speaker 20: a reference to that twenty nineteen interview to BBC where

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Speaker 20: he said he'd lost the ability to sweat. Let's not forget,

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Speaker 20: of course that Andrew denies all allegations against him.

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Speaker 2: He does nice to see Catherine. Would the photographer at

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Speaker 2: Ruters get a slice of the action? He wouldn' would

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Speaker 2: he or she whoever it is, because it's worth millions.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times you reckon? That foot has

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Speaker 2: been salt to agencies around the world. By the way,

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Speaker 2: Mertz in Germany, just before I leave that part of

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Speaker 2: the world, he suggested. Now his party, In fact, the

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Speaker 2: party got together as a bit of a regional chin

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Speaker 2: wag over the weekend. Christian Democrat Union. They said they

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Speaker 2: liked the idea of this social media band for young people.

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Speaker 2: So it's a real thing. It's off Spain, Greece, France, Britain, Denmark.

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Speaker 2: Even Lara Trump the other day said old Donald has

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Speaker 2: got a bit of interest in it. And I was

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Speaker 2: reading something yesterday out of the California trial where Zuckerberg

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Speaker 2: was the other day. They're now suggesting this is big tobacco.

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Speaker 2: This is social media's big tobacco moment. In other words,

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Speaker 2: it's the tipping point things are materially going to change.

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Speaker 2: Nine away from seven, the.

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Speaker 1: Mike asking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate News talks dead.

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Speaker 2: Be I ask a question. I have an answer, Catherine.

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Speaker 2: You So the photographer from Reuter's is male, not that

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Speaker 2: that makes any difference, but he took six frames, just six,

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Speaker 2: and you imagine photography is not what it was you

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Speaker 2: just push the button, bang bang bang bang six That

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Speaker 2: thing is. If he wasn't independent, he'd be a millionaire

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Speaker 2: now and retired, because that is a photo that has

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Speaker 2: truly gone around the world. Five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: All the ins and the ouse, it's the fizz with

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Speaker 1: business fiber take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Now as we put all the pieces of economic recovery together.

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Speaker 2: We've had the spending so far this morning. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: more about it after seven o'clock. Spending of forces up

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Speaker 2: and for spending you need what what do you need?

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Speaker 2: For spending? You need an income and I've got good

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Speaker 2: news on that. We present to you this morning, the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Robert Half Salary Guide. So it tells

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Speaker 2: us eighty four percent of employers so the economic outlook

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Speaker 2: will positively impact their approach to setting salaries, likely leading

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Speaker 2: to salary increases. So we're all getting pay rises this year.

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Speaker 2: Good only twelve percent, so the current environment will have

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Speaker 2: a negative impact. Three percent say no impact, So a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff goes into you getting a pay rise.

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Speaker 2: Thirty eight percent of people and out the pay rises.

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Speaker 2: If you manage responsibilities, more likely to get one thirty

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Speaker 2: seven percent. If you've got some specialized skills thirty six percent.

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Speaker 2: Urgent higher they need you desperately thirty three percent. Most

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Speaker 2: important factor is experience. Scarcity of talents in the market

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Speaker 2: is a factor in thirty three percent of decisions. Thirty

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Speaker 2: two Look at the seniority of the role now this

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Speaker 2: is interesting. If the salary expectations can't be met, then

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Speaker 2: every single employer in this report, one hundred percent of

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Speaker 2: employers say that offer alternative benefits. So what are these

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Speaker 2: alternative benefits? Higher performance bonuses, fifty three percent would offer

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Speaker 2: that half literally more career development opportunities, forty eight percent,

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Speaker 2: more flexible working arrangements, forty percent would give you some

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Speaker 2: stock options, thirty four percent more leave, twenty five percent

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Speaker 2: say as signing bonus. So it looks reasonable this year

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Speaker 2: that a decent number of us are going to get

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Speaker 2: some sort of reveuneration game, which is encouraging. So we'll

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Speaker 2: look at those retail sales after seven o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of problems, if you're an air traffic controller,

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Speaker 2: then you're lucky because a couple of things are happening there. One,

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Speaker 2: you earn quite a bit of money, and there's also

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Speaker 2: a global shortere to beer traffic controllers, and so they're

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Speaker 2: coming hunting and they're offering niceicle boneses to go elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have a look at that particular problem. But

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Speaker 2: it seems to me that if you're a nurse, if

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Speaker 2: you're a teacher, if you're a doctor, if you're a dentist,

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Speaker 2: if you're an air traffic controller. The whole world is

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Speaker 2: short of you and has been. Nikola Willis doesn't have

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Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars and that didn't stop her putting

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Speaker 2: it into Genesis to maintain control of the company. Of

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Speaker 2: course she'll explain all of this short thing.

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Speaker 1: Credible, compelling the breakfast show you can't bess. It's the

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Speaker 1: mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate altogether better across residential,

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Speaker 1: commercial and rural news togsd head be.

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Speaker 2: Only seven past seven. So the government are putting two

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Speaker 2: hundred million into Genesis as part of the capital rays.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they're currently owned fifty one percent. The two

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Speaker 2: hundred allows them to keep that steak. The money is

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Speaker 2: for the stampede towards renewables. Nikola Willis is the Finance

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Speaker 2: Minister and is back with us. Good morning, Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: You're doing this willingly.

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Speaker 21: Yes, we are, as we said last year.

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Speaker 9: We are on the side of making sure that New

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Speaker 9: Zealand has both enough electricity generation for our growing needs

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Speaker 9: but also enough firming capacity so that when the hydro

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Speaker 9: lakes aren't full and the wind isn't blowing and the

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Speaker 9: sun isn't shining. We have enough firming capacity that is

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Speaker 9: back up generation, and the Genesis proposal ticks those boxes.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you let the market do them?

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Speaker 9: Well, the market is doing it in the sense that

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Speaker 9: Genesis have gone to market with this capital raise and

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Speaker 9: it's dependent on market participation.

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Speaker 21: If we don't take part.

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Speaker 9: In this equity rays, our New Zealand government share would

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Speaker 9: reduce below fifty one percent, which would be in breach

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Speaker 9: of the current law which requires us to maintain majority ownership.

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Speaker 2: That's why I asked that question because in watching you

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Speaker 2: yesterday on the tiles, you said the law means we

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Speaker 2: have to You are in charge of the law and

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Speaker 2: you can change the law if you want to. Hence

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Speaker 2: my question about you know how willing you are to

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Speaker 2: do this? So you booked in by the law or

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Speaker 2: it's just we don't have two hundred million bucks.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, Look, it's a fair enough question.

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Speaker 9: The coalition government is committed to that majority ownership, so

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Speaker 9: there isn't any mandate around the three governing parties now

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Speaker 9: to change that law, and so we're sticking to that

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Speaker 9: and we don't want that to be a barrier to

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Speaker 9: actually these energy companies growing in the way that New

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Speaker 9: Zealand is need for us to have secure electricity supply.

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Speaker 21: So it's one of those situations we were doing the

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Speaker 21: right thing.

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Speaker 9: We think it does stack up for taxpayers, one of

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Speaker 9: our criteria going in. Yes, we were very clear going

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Speaker 9: in that we needed to participate on the basis that

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Speaker 9: it would support new generation and firm and capacity, but

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Speaker 9: it commercially stacked up and that there are other investors

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Speaker 9: coming to the table. So all of those things are

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Speaker 9: present in this opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Let me come back to that in just a couple

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Speaker 2: of moments, though, because there's no question, I mean, we

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Speaker 2: all agree that we need more capacity. I think we

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Speaker 2: all get that. I think I would argue, there's no

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Speaker 2: question they could go to the MARC and get every

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Speaker 2: cent they want and then some they don't need.

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Speaker 20: You.

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Speaker 9: Well, in this case, if we didn't take part, we

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Speaker 9: would be diluted down below fifty one.

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Speaker 2: I'd get that who cares so well.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think you'd find that my one of my

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Speaker 9: coalition partners would care very much, and that would be

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Speaker 9: a block to participation, and then we'd be in this

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Speaker 9: situation where the government was actively holding back much needed

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Speaker 9: investment and affordable energy supply. So look, MMP means that

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Speaker 9: there are three parties at the table, we've all reached

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Speaker 9: agreement on this, and frankly, the National Party also doesn't

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Speaker 9: have a mandate from New Zealanders right now to reduce

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Speaker 9: our share of the energy companies below fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the sort of your campaign as well.

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Speaker 9: We will campaign clearly on our view of the future

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Speaker 9: of the energy companies. Genuinely, it's not something our caucus

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Speaker 9: of determined a position on yet. Obviously, the state owns

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Speaker 9: a number of assets that deliver public goods and deliver

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Speaker 9: things that New Zealanders want, and how we manage them

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Speaker 9: well and run them well into the future will be

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Speaker 9: an active discussion for our national Cuddy team.

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Speaker 2: And just quickly back to the equation. Does the interest

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Speaker 2: on the borrowing get off set by the return on

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Speaker 2: the shares or you can't say that with any certain.

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm very limited in what I'm allowed to say

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Speaker 9: while the rays is in market. So there is significant

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Speaker 9: information that has been provided to the market by Genesis,

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Speaker 9: and I've been advised to be very careful not to

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Speaker 9: go any further than that which is in the market,

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Speaker 9: because then I get into the position of the government

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Speaker 9: trying to screw the scrum on the capital race.

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Speaker 21: So I'm going to be careful about that.

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Speaker 9: But what they've done is they've consistently said, look, we

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Speaker 9: want to stick to our current debt rating for a week. Lass,

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Speaker 9: we want to stick to our current dividend policy. But

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Speaker 9: this plan means they can accelerate their investment pipeline. Rather

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Speaker 9: than it taking ten to fifteen years, it'll take five

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Speaker 9: to six to create that extra generation capacity.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time as always, Nikola will who is the Finance minister.

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Speaker 2: Eleven past seven the economy. Also retail turnaround that looks

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Speaker 2: like a thing. December quarter we spent more sales up

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Speaker 2: zero point nine on the quarter, four point four. That's

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Speaker 2: material for a year ago. Twelve of the fifteen groups

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Speaker 2: did well. Chris Wilkinson, First Retail Group MDS back with us. Chris,

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Speaker 2: morning to you. And this is and here's the good

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Speaker 2: news about this. This is some of it at least

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Speaker 2: is discretionary, isn't it. And that's a that's a good thing.

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Speaker 22: That's the big news.

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Speaker 3: MIC.

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Speaker 22: This is stuff that is driven by people feeling better

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Speaker 22: about themselves. And better about the economy.

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Speaker 2: Is there more where this came from?

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Speaker 22: Do you think, Look, if we can sustain this good

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Speaker 22: feeling that's out there at the moment, yes, potential of

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Speaker 22: interst rate rises and things like that could have some impact.

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Speaker 22: But we're on a bit of a roll at the moment,

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Speaker 22: so let's hope it continues.

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Speaker 2: See this happened, to be clear to everyone, this is

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Speaker 2: the December quarter, so October November, December, we were busy

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Speaker 2: telling everybody how miserable it was. We're all in a

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Speaker 2: far blah blah blah it. Yet in reality we were

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Speaker 2: doing something different. There's a disconnect between theory and reality,

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Speaker 2: isn't there.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that's very very true. I mean this is all

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Speaker 22: retail spending MC. This is bending offshore as well, So

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Speaker 22: you know what we're seeing in a granular sense in

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Speaker 22: some of the towns and cities. Yes, it's it's a

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Speaker 22: bit different, but overall, and the big news is, you

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Speaker 22: know what, four point four percent people are taking home

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Speaker 22: that much more product. That's much more what I.

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Speaker 2: Also like does I mean we've lived leant on the

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Speaker 2: farmers so much, but this seems to be right across

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Speaker 2: the country and pretty much across most sectors and groups.

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Speaker 22: Good point. Provincial New Zealand doing particularly strongly. And if

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Speaker 22: we look at the sales are up two point three

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Speaker 22: percent in the South Island Heartland New Zealand, while I

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Speaker 22: was in the North Island increased by one point five percent.

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Speaker 22: So really the strength of some of these provincial economies,

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Speaker 22: rural big projects driving a lot of confidence.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Chris nice to catch up precuret Chris Wilkinson

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Speaker 2: first retail this morning. Did you know that Hipkins Mike

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Speaker 2: is rewriting history? Will we fall for it? I think

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Speaker 2: we will. Isn't that depressing? You're wrong. I'll come back

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Speaker 2: to that in the moment. This is the so called

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Speaker 2: State of the Nation speech yesterday, thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: The like asking Breakfast full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: B Andy Wilman of Well I mean top Gear, Grand Tour,

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Speaker 2: Clarkson's farm. He's with us after eight o'clock, seventeen minutes

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Speaker 2: past seven. So let's head to the job market. Whereas

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Speaker 2: it turns out, if you're an air traffic controller, you're

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Speaker 2: a hot global demand. E Ways New Zealand warning controllers

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Speaker 2: are being lured off shore because of a global shortage.

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Speaker 2: James Evans GM at Commercial Anyways, New Zealand and as

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Speaker 2: with us, James, morning to.

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Speaker 3: You morning Mike.

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Speaker 7: How are you well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you as we sit here this morning. Are we short?

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Speaker 2: We tight?

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Speaker 7: All?

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Speaker 2: We fine?

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Speaker 19: We're not currently short, Mike. We're right on the numbers.

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Speaker 19: We have a requirement for three hundred and thirty three

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Speaker 19: operational controllers and we're sitting about four below that. But

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Speaker 19: we've got another forty in the system who are either

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Speaker 19: currently training or on thick or maternity to leaven the likes.

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Speaker 19: So we're very well positioned to COVID this issue.

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Speaker 2: So is this even a story or not? Are we fine?

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Speaker 2: So we're fine, We're fine, aren't we.

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Speaker 19: Look I think it's a great story, Mike. This is

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Speaker 19: definitely a problem globally, and we are having overseas ANSPs

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Speaker 19: approaching our controllers and they are going some overseas locations.

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Speaker 19: It's historically been the case. The big concern for us

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Speaker 19: has been that globally there is a significant shortage, so

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Speaker 19: we're expecting this to increase. So what we've done is

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Speaker 19: we've put more people into the system during COVID, A

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Speaker 19: lot of overseas ANSPs, they actually reduced their staffing levels.

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Speaker 19: We put ours up to protect against this very likelihood.

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Speaker 2: What's the global shortage about? Is it a boring job

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Speaker 2: or too stressful or what?

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Speaker 19: See, that's a good question. I think what has been

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Speaker 19: is it's been quite cyclical the recruitment of echoes, and globally,

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Speaker 19: if we look at places like the FAA, there real

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Speaker 19: market indicator for us. They are going towards a mess

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Speaker 19: of retirement bubble and we're experiencing that Australia's experience in

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Speaker 19: that most day and SPS. So what's happening is these

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Speaker 19: people are leaving and we're trying to fill that gap.

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Speaker 2: Now, what would I be leaving for? Lifestyle or money?

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Speaker 2: Is the money material or not? Really?

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Speaker 19: Well, ironically, Mike, I was posting myself in two thousand

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Speaker 19: and nine. I was in there try to controler here

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Speaker 19: in New Zealand, got a phone call from Dubai and

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Speaker 19: went over there. And for me at the time of

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Speaker 19: a thirty nine year old, it was money and it

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Speaker 19: was the experience, the ability to travel. So I took

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Speaker 19: the opportunity, ended up doing ten years overseas.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you came home, didn't James, ah, And we

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Speaker 2: all come back home, don't they.

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Speaker 19: They all come back home, that's the great thing about it,

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Speaker 19: but come back home with experience which we then plug

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Speaker 19: into the local system, which is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Would you recommend to buy I struggle with My brother

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Speaker 2: lived in by for a while, but I mean fifty

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Speaker 2: degrees in summer? Who needs that?

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Speaker 19: Where you go skinning, Mike, I would. It's different now

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Speaker 19: than it was back in O nine. I must say

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Speaker 19: it doesn't appeal to me either as a man in

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Speaker 19: my fifties as opposed to a man in my thirties.

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Speaker 19: But yeah, look, I don't discourage people who want to

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Speaker 19: go and try new experiences. And the good thing with

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Speaker 19: air traffic control is a qualification that allows our people

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Speaker 19: to do that as long as they come back.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the great thing about qualifications, isn't it. James.

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Speaker 2: Nice to talk to you. James Evans, who's the gym

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Speaker 2: at of commercial at Airways New Zealand four years if

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Speaker 2: you can believe it? On the war Sea. I've got

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Speaker 2: the difficulty this morning with Lawrence coming and Lawrence Meredith

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Speaker 2: who's the EU ambassador in New Zealand. Do I talk

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Speaker 2: to him about trade. Do I talk to him about

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Speaker 2: the war? Do I talk to him about the whole world?

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much to talk about, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I might keep them for the half hour. We'll see

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Speaker 2: how we go. Seven twenty.

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Speaker 2: those RFPs, you know how hard it is to beat

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Speaker 2: You reuse your existing content, but you've got to make

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Speaker 2: it look and sound new while using your corporate language

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Speaker 2: and you're styling your brand tone or before meeting the

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Speaker 2: RFP's type delivery deadline. Of course, So one net can help, Yes,

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Speaker 2: response with the AI SO Grizzly software means you can

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Speaker 2: create the winning proposals faster, do it at a lower cost,

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Speaker 2: now seven twenty four, what is in the numbers? I

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Speaker 2: ask you, well known economist Shummer bille ecub. He's crunched

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Speaker 2: a few of these figures, it turns out if you

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Speaker 2: want to see it, being a student apparently, being a

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Speaker 2: student at university these days is a quote miserable experience.

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Speaker 2: And boy does the media lover story of misery. Here

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Speaker 2: was your headline yesterday, being a student as pricier than ever?

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Speaker 2: Does it payoff? That was your headline. The answer not

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Speaker 2: from the story, It's from me, is does it payoff?

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Speaker 14: Yes?

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Speaker 2: It does? Yes, if you have a plan. Yes, if

870
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: you're careful, Yes, if you're driven in a specific direction professionally.

871
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: Our most recent graduate at our house is fully immersed

872
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: in her first job and loving it. She ows a

873
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: shedloaded dough but wouldn't for a minute have it any

874
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: other way. But back to the numbers. All we really

875
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: learn when you compare the cost of stuff from Shummer

876
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: bill twenty years ago versus the cost of stuff now

877
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: is well, the cost of stuff has gone I mean,

878
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: that's got little to do with university and it's got

879
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: a lot to do with life. All our bills have

880
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: gone up. For goodness sake, students support has gone up

881
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: eighty six percent, but essentials have gone up two hundred

882
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: and twenty percent. Back in two thousand and five, the

883
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: allowance was one hundred and sixty bucks. Essentials we one

884
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: hundred and forty bucks, so you had twenty bucks left over.

885
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: These days you're in the red to the tune of

886
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 2: eight dollars, which I wouldn't actually have thought was that bad.

887
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: Our university fees have gone up one hundred and thirteen percent.

888
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: You might want to ask why, but here's the reality check.

889
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: The story tells us thirty five thousand students received some

890
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: form of assistance. Right, that number on the last quarters

891
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: up five percent, but the amount they get is down

892
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: three percent. So more get money, but not as much.

893
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: Surely that's good. But here's the real number. How many

894
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: students are there? While chat Gibt tells me almost four

895
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, so less than ten percent get any assistance

896
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: at all. Ninety percent don't need help. Isn't that the

897
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: real story? See too many stories, too many headlines are

898
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: about what's wrong, not what's right. Who was doing badly

899
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: not who's doing fine. You can play with numbers forever.

900
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: Palms to North rents have gone up more than Auckland

901
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: rent so it's not as cheap to be at Massy

902
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: as it once was, and so it goes. But the

903
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: big picture, the real story, surely is what is it

904
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: you get out of university? What did the qualification do

905
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: for you? As we've just talked about, if it changed

906
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: your life, set you on a path, set you up,

907
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: got you a career, open doors than the bills of

908
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: material Like life, university is how you see it, like life,

909
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: the choices of yours. So does it pay off? Guess what?

910
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: If you want it to? You're already there asking Hipkins.

911
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: Bit of feedback on Hipkins. Did you see that hypocrite

912
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: Hipkins going about there? You know, I wasn't going to

913
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: even mention it this morning. His problem is this, he

914
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: is so low energy. That guy, My god, he should

915
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: have apologized to all the people who had to go

916
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: along to that show yesterday if you called it a show.

917
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: I watched it online and I was bored. But I

918
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: had a nice cool glass of Sam Pellegrino and was

919
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: sitting at the desk, you know, and I could watch

920
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: other things. But if I were stuck in that room,

921
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: I go, mate, wake up. He's shocking on an AUTOQ.

922
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: He's low energy. He obviously said nothing. There was no policy.

923
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: If you're walking into a state of the Nation speech,

924
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: we're sick of the moaning, don't do the moaning. Do

925
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: the moaning and go well, this is broken. But here's

926
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: what I'm here to fix. Here's how I'm going to

927
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: do it. Here's what's going to happen under me. Here

928
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: are my new ideas. Here are the answers. But there

929
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: was none of that. There was just a lot of

930
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: low energy, and I would have walked out of that

931
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: being very depressed. I think he's done for He looks

932
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: like a dead man walking news for you next.

933
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: No fluff, just facts and fierce debate.

934
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking breakfast with Alvida Retirement Communities, Life Your

935
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: Way News togs had been.

936
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Three minutes away from eight. It was this day four

937
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: years ago Russia rolled into Ukraine and we've largely been

938
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: bogged down since. Europe is now Ukraine's largest military and

939
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: financial backer. The arrival of the Trump Administration of courses

940
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: rayed serious questions around native and its future. The EU

941
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: has been made to step up on defense spending, while

942
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: the much talent of peace deal is seemingly well, we

943
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: know it hasn't happened. We want them with a at

944
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: lible will. Lawrence Meredith is the EU ambassador to this

945
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: country and he's back with us on the program. Good

946
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: to see you in person.

947
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 14: Great to be back with you, mate.

948
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: How does it end the war?

949
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 23: Well, what we need to see is Russia has brutally

950
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 23: and illegally invaded Ukraine, and the only outcome possible for

951
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 23: all those of us who believe in the rules based

952
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 23: international order is Ukraine's victory within its sovereign territories. They've

953
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 23: Russia's walked into a sovereign country has completely unacceptable.

954
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: How does Ukraine win them?

955
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 23: Ukraine wins by strong support from all like minded allies.

956
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 23: We've got the coalition of the willing. I believe the

957
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 23: Prime ministers are going to be on the call later

958
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 23: the day. The European Union strongly committed, as you said,

959
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 23: one hundred and ninety billion euros.

960
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 14: It's an enormous sum. New Zealand stead for us SO.

961
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 23: And they've got creative technologies, the drone technologies, by the way,

962
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 23: some of them provided by the fantastic SCIOs company samvai

963
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 23: here I really had child, and they're causing real headaches

964
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 23: to the Russian army.

965
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: That talong the company is a great story. Having said that,

966
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: the drone thing, that the ingenuity of the Ukrainian people

967
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: has been one of the great listeners of this conflict,

968
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: hasn't it.

969
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 23: Let's remember that four years ago everybody and we were

970
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 23: just talking about this. Everybody thought it was going to

971
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 23: be over in days. The Russian army far too powerful.

972
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 23: Hasn't happened at all. So all these doom sayers, I

973
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 23: think they're completely wrong. I should say I was in

974
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 23: Ukraine the first time in two thousand. I've been over

975
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 23: thirty times to Ukraine. I know the country really, really well.

976
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 23: People massively underestimated the Ukrainian people, and I was with

977
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 23: them on the on Silo Park just on Sunday, just

978
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 23: to mark this awful fourth anniversary, but also to affirm

979
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 23: their confidence in their path to victory.

980
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: Is Zelinsky as big a hero now as he was then?

981
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: Do you think?

982
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 14: Yeah?

983
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 23: I think Zelenski's fundamental. I think he's been exceptional and

984
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 23: he is an amazing strategic communicator, amazing organized. Can you

985
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 23: imagine actually running a government successfully for four years in

986
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 23: the middle this awful war.

987
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: How do you balance? Well, how does Europe balance? I

988
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: mean they pulled the guy, one of his key people

989
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: off the train the other day trying to leave the country.

990
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: I mean, Ukraine is not squeaky clean and Niver has

991
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: but how does Europe face that side of Ukraine?

992
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 14: Well, on the other hand, it shows it's working.

993
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 23: The system in all systems are unfortunately bad eggs, and

994
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 23: they've actually arrested a minister. They've found there's been a

995
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 23: problem and they've taken action. So there are checks and balances,

996
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 23: and that's in the middle of a crucial wartime, So

997
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 23: you're right that, of course, like it's definitely not, as

998
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 23: you say, squeaky clean, but it's made substantial progress and

999
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 23: it's focusing.

1000
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 14: We do EU.

1001
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 23: Opinions as a reporter, not just on Ukraine but on

1002
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 23: all the countries playing, and we really assess her rigorously,

1003
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 23: and they have made to progress.

1004
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: What have you learned or what has Europe learned about itself?

1005
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: Do you think as a collective in the last four

1006
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: years we need.

1007
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 23: To stand up and do a lot more for our

1008
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 23: own defense. And President on the Line was crystal clear

1009
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 23: on this at the Munich Security Conference. And we do

1010
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 23: that because the Ukrainians are fighting for peace and freedom,

1011
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 23: not just their peace and freedom, but that of the

1012
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 23: free world. This is a global conflict at this point

1013
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 23: and it's really important that the right side wins.

1014
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 2: Do you give Trump credit for bringing Europe perhaps kicking

1015
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: and screaming to a reality they might not have come

1016
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: to otherwise.

1017
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 14: This is Europe's own decision.

1018
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 23: Europe is standing up for its own autonomy, and we've

1019
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 23: committed to eight hundred billion euros ramping up our defense,

1020
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 23: and we've got really creative technology's got the world's largest

1021
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 23: research and Innovation program Horizon Europe. By the way, New

1022
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 23: Zealand's the first global partner.

1023
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: Right. Can Europe hand on high win the war without America.

1024
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 23: It's better to win it with America. But we need

1025
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 23: to win this war with Ukraine. And we've got a

1026
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 23: broad coalition of the wedding or meet later to day,

1027
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 23: so we need to do everything it takes to support

1028
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 23: Ukraine to victory.

1029
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: And does anything change. I'm just trying to work through

1030
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: with four years and counting. And last week there was

1031
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: a story that Ukraine got a little more territory than

1032
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 2: they have lately. Then you'll hear the story of Russia

1033
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: getting a little more territory than they have been lately.

1034
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: And there seems to be a line militarily that Europe

1035
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: won't cross in terms of long term long range missiles

1036
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: things like that. Will that conversation, do you think in

1037
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: the ensuing period change or not?

1038
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 23: I think you've seen evolution throughout the war when we've

1039
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 23: delivered on what Ukraine wants. Sometimes it's been hard to

1040
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 23: reach those decisions. Sometimes it's come later than Zelensky would

1041
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 23: have wanted. But we've put in place nineteen packages of

1042
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 23: sanction against Russia. And by the way, some people say, oh,

1043
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 23: they're not working, well, then Putin's making a hell of

1044
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 23: an effort to stop them. If they're not working, they're

1045
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 23: really working. The Russian economy is on its knees. You

1046
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 23: don't ever hear that on the press.

1047
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: Well, that was funny enough. My next question, you do

1048
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: hear it a bit? I've never been able to work

1049
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: out how true it is.

1050
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 14: It's absolutely for sure true.

1051
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 23: So the European Union, that was heavily dependent before the

1052
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 23: war on Russian coal, oil and gas, has pivoted amazingly away.

1053
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 23: We're out of the coal, we're out of the oil,

1054
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 23: and we're down to fifteen percent of our imports coming

1055
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 23: from Russian gas. We're working on it, will be out

1056
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 23: of it completely by the autumn next year.

1057
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: Right, what do you do with hungry who are in

1058
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 2: the news this morning?

1059
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 22: Year?

1060
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: Again in vetoing, Well.

1061
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 23: As I said, we've agreed on nineteen packages of assistance

1062
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 23: with a I've put one hundred and ninety billion euros

1063
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 23: on the table for Ukraine. Sure, like in any family,

1064
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 23: some of the decisions are difficult to reach. But we've

1065
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 23: got there and I'm confident will continue to support Ukraine

1066
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 23: as the European.

1067
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: If the Middle East hadn't happened, if Iran wasn't happening,

1068
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 2: would the focus on the war have been completely different?

1069
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 23: Do you think, Listen, there's always been tensions across the world.

1070
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 23: My job as your opinionion ambassador here is to present

1071
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 23: Europe's strong commitment to Ukraine.

1072
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: Talk to me about trade. Do you know anything more

1073
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: than any of us know at the present point in

1074
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: time as to who's paying?

1075
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 14: What?

1076
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: Is there a refund check in the mail.

1077
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 14: On that one?

1078
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: No?

1079
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 23: But what I want to say is New Zealand's deal

1080
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 23: with European Union is worth over two billion dollars to

1081
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 23: New Zealand exporters. Europe's very excited about it, big investments

1082
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 23: coming in. He just moved into purchase Fletcher's. We've seen

1083
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 23: Don Meetz purchase Alliance. It's a win win.

1084
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: That sounds like an invasion to me. Not necessarily a deal.

1085
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Speaker 23: No, not at all. I think it's a two way deal.

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Speaker 23: Ask asked Desper what they think of the deal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, fair enough to As regards what happened with

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Speaker 2: Scotus though over the weekend and the votes were put

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Speaker 2: off in Europe overnight in terms of the trade deals

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Speaker 2: you've done. What happens? Do we know what's what I mean?

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Speaker 23: Commissioner Maarashchevvich was here in New Zealand. He loved it,

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Speaker 23: by the way, and he's committed to building on Europe's

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Speaker 23: extensive network of new deals. We're committed to free trade.

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Speaker 23: Like New Zealand, we need free trade in this world.

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Speaker 2: Do you think pre trade will win ultimately?

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Speaker 23: I think ultimately it will, Yeah, because it's all the

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Speaker 23: economics says it's better for everybody, and we're sticking up

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00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 23: for that. We've got we had over seventy six we're

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Speaker 23: moving closer to eighty trade deals. New Zealand's cutting deals.

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Speaker 23: Those of us who believe in it. The CPTPP, there's

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Speaker 23: a good one.

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Speaker 2: For your audience.

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Speaker 23: She run it a quiz on that comprehensive and progressive

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Speaker 23: transpecific partnership and practicing that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. It's good. We're pre traders and we've

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Speaker 2: argued for it all along, so hopefully it works out.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you appreciate it, see right. Thanks Lawrence Meredith,

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Speaker 2: who was the EUA in bestor of seven forty.

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Speaker 1: Five The like asking breakfast a full show podcast on

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Speaker 3: Talks at be Mike.

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Speaker 2: Nice to hear a man who's quick, thinking, in articulate

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Speaker 2: and across his brief dead right. Get that EU ambassador

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Speaker 2: on more Very interesting the big Leagues. Excellent interview Mike

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00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: with the EU ambassador, really well articulated. Informants wa'd you

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00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: like it? Didn't embarrass him? He speaks about nine languages.

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Speaker 2: Very good pizza I read yesterday. I disagree with it,

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00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: but it's probably well worth reading. It's in the newsroom site.

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Speaker 2: Guy called David Bainbridge zappha never heard of him. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: really matter, but National could be wiped out by Nationalist

1122
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: wright who will be the first to jump And he

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Speaker 2: says this says a number of things, but one of

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Speaker 2: the more interesting parts is he said he talks about

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Speaker 2: the Teal vacuum, reference to Teal being in Australia. Of course,

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Speaker 2: National is flirting with the same disaster that decimated the

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Speaker 2: Australian Liberals. By allowing coalition partners to set the tone

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Speaker 2: on climate and treaty, they're abandoning their urban professional heartlands.

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Speaker 2: He also talks about the policy tale wagging the dog

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Speaker 2: National's current struggle in the clash of brands. They're trying

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Speaker 2: to maintain a governing brand the builders and the managers,

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Speaker 2: whilst their partners thrive on disruption brand. But populism is

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00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: a parasite that requires a host. If national continues to

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00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: validate the grievances of its junior partners at the expense

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Speaker 2: of its own moderate identity, it will find itself, like

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Speaker 2: the UK Tories, eventually replaced by the very forces it

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Speaker 2: tried to appease. By indulging fringe narratives. In partnering with

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Speaker 2: figures who trade in resentment rather than solutions, national risks

1139
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Speaker 2: repeating the same mistakes that made elsewhere. Now, all of

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Speaker 2: that's very persuasive, and I do recommend you read the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. But where is fundamentally wrong is he refers,

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Speaker 2: of course, to reform, and he refers, of course, to

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Speaker 2: one nation. And the critical part to understand about reform

1144
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: is reform aren't actually in anywhere. They got a handful

1145
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: of seats. All they're doing at the moment is doing

1146
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: well in the polls, and poles are not results. One

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00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: nation is exactly the same. One nation is doing fantastically

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00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: well in the polls at the moment, But poles are

1149
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: not results. So when reform run Britain and when one

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00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: nation run Australia, which neither of them will ever, then

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00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: this blake might have an argument. But until then they're

1152
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: just noise makers. And noise makers always attract attention and

1153
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: always generate some polling. They don't actually end up being

1154
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Speaker 2: successful electorally speaking. But as I say, read it and

1155
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Speaker 2: make up your own mind. Tend to wait.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking breakfast with al Vida Retirement Communities News

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Speaker 1: togs had been.

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Speaker 2: Steven away from Bunnings joins Uber Eats. If you can

1159
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Speaker 2: believe it, you can get a ladder delivered in sixty

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Speaker 2: minutes as convenience. It's a whole new level. I guess

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Speaker 2: Paul Spain is the well, he's at Guerrilla Technology and

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Speaker 2: he's with.

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Speaker 3: Us morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: What's the metric on this? I mean, if Bunnings can,

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Speaker 2: can anyone and will anyone, or there's a certain bunch

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Speaker 2: of stuff have to happen to make it work.

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Speaker 24: Well, Bunnings have got a great scale, they're profitable, so

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Speaker 24: they can afford to maybe lose some margin to win

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Speaker 24: extra market share here and there's probably an uber play

1170
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Speaker 24: there as well, where Uber Possible are cutting their margins

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Speaker 24: in order to be more dominant in the New Zealand

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Speaker 24: and Australian markets.

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Speaker 2: Are the logistics Can I get a ladder in a

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Speaker 2: prius where it doesn't fit and they can't do it?

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Speaker 2: Stuff like that?

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Speaker 24: Well, there will be some There will be some of

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Speaker 24: those sorts of challenges. They're saying thirty thousand products available

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Speaker 24: and no doubt there will be some constraints there in

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Speaker 24: terms of sizing.

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Speaker 2: Is that a headwind in terms of me sitting home

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Speaker 2: thinking that my whole life can come to my door?

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Speaker 23: Now?

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Speaker 2: Do I look at Bunning's and go great idea until

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Speaker 2: I see I can't get X, y Z and then

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Speaker 2: suddenly it doesn't work. Well do they need to supply

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Speaker 2: everything or not?

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Speaker 18: I don't think so. It's that convenience thing.

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Speaker 24: Now you're working on a DIY project at home, there's

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Speaker 24: something you need, you can keep going. Or maybe you're

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Speaker 24: a trade and you're out working on a customer project

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Speaker 24: and you don't have to down tools to go for

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Speaker 24: a drive if you can get that thing delivered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's the play?

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Speaker 14: Is it?

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Speaker 2: The sixty minutes or is it the fact I can't

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Speaker 2: be bothered hauling my ass off to a shop anymore.

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Speaker 24: Oh, look, I think it's you know, it's both of

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Speaker 24: those things. And you know, we're getting used to being

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Speaker 24: able to order our food deliveries. We can get things

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Speaker 24: from from the chemist now, you know, groceries now in

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Speaker 24: shorter spaces of time, and you know, this is this

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Speaker 24: is very much a natural progression. And you know, of

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Speaker 24: course in the in the in the bigger picture, this

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Speaker 24: is allowing Bunnings to compete against Amazon, you know, particularly

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Speaker 24: in the Australian market where they've got those local warehouses

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Speaker 24: and so this is a bit of a pushback against

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Speaker 24: that global dominance of Amazon.

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Speaker 2: All right, Paul, appreciate it. Paul Spain out of Guerrilla

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Speaker 2: this morning, four minutes away from eight of pasky Afo.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned one nation poull out yesterday in New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: They're leading, they're leading everybody. Most popular party in the state,

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Speaker 2: Roy Morgan thirty percent, twenty five percent for the ALP,

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Speaker 2: the Coalition nineteen and that comes off the back men

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Speaker 2: is still very popular as premier. Not that that will

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Speaker 2: save in fifty six percent of people think he's done

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Speaker 2: a good job in the first term. Very rare to

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Speaker 2: see a political leader these days in positive territory. But

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Speaker 2: it comes off the back of the Victoria and they've

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Speaker 2: got a vote later this year. Victoria is actually voting

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Speaker 2: later this year. One Net gone to first place there

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Speaker 2: as well, One Nation at twenty six five, Labor at

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Speaker 2: twenty five to five, Liberal National Coalition at twenty one five.

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Speaker 2: The problem with their system, though, is the splitting of

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00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: the votes. The party preferred all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: It means that one nation can't win. They will do

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Speaker 2: better than they have, but they simply can't win because

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Speaker 2: once you preference out the votes, the numbers drop away dramatically.

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Speaker 2: Andy Willman behind top Gear, behind the Grand Tour, behind

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Speaker 2: Clarkson's farm. He's a genius. He's with us after the news,

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Speaker 2: which is next news talk, sep.

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Speaker 1: I, asking the questions others won't the mic asking, Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with the Defender, Embrace the Impossible news, tomad past eight.

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Speaker 2: So they call them mister Wilman. You never saw them,

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Speaker 2: but Wilman was an inextricable part of the success of

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Speaker 2: top Gear. Andy Wilman not only produced top Gear, but

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Speaker 2: the Grand tour and Clarkson's farm as well. His book

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Speaker 2: is called Mister Wilman's Motoring Adventure, and Andy Willman is

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, Good morning to you, sir.

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Speaker 2: How are you very well? Indeed, I've watched a lot

1241
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Speaker 2: of the podcasts that you've done in the last couple

1242
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: of months over your top Gear book. Do you feel

1243
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Speaker 2: the reverence with which people hold you and what you've

1244
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Speaker 2: contributed to the televisual industry globally?

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Speaker 5: No, I do not feel this reverence because back room

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Speaker 5: boys don't feel reverence.

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Speaker 7: They're like, they just feel lucky.

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Speaker 5: Reverence makes me shiver on my god, absolutely makes me

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Speaker 5: shiver because I didn't want any of that going on.

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Speaker 5: I I think I've got a side to tell that

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Speaker 5: obviously has been quiet because everyone's seen the other three

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Speaker 5: up front and.

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Speaker 7: People know that I exist.

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Speaker 5: But it was my only goal was to sort of

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Speaker 5: show the glue that went into the connecting of what

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Speaker 5: you actually went on screen and what you shawed and

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Speaker 5: everything people have. People have received it, well, it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's been good like that. But reverence. No, I just

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Speaker 5: wanted people to feel that like it did for me.

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Speaker 5: It brought it brought a bit of closure to the

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Speaker 5: whole thing. I mean, did you feel that that it.

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Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, yeah, I've watched, I've watched. I'm not

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Speaker 2: pissing in your pocket, but I watched literally every episode

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Speaker 2: of top Gear ever, so I followed its trajectory and

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Speaker 2: the Grand Tour of course, and Clarkson's farm as well.

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Speaker 2: But what several questions out of the top Gear story.

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Speaker 2: Was there a moment where you thought it had become

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Speaker 2: something bigger than it started out? Is in other words,

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Speaker 2: it was more than a TV show.

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Speaker 7: More than a TV show.

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Speaker 5: There were several little moments, but the I mean, I

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Speaker 5: can give you tiny ones that we're never on camera,

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Speaker 5: Like there was a film we did you remember the

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Speaker 5: film when we did the ten pound wrap Italian Supercars,

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Speaker 5: you know, And we were in Marlboro, this sort of

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Speaker 5: this Marlble's, this sort of chocolate box town in England

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Speaker 5: on our journey from on our ambitious ninety six mile

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Speaker 5: journey from Bristol to a lap dancing bar just outside London.

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Speaker 5: And we were like day two and we've done forty

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Speaker 5: miles because it kept breaking down, and we were in

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Speaker 5: this town, Marlboro, which has got a big school there,

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Speaker 5: and Jeremy and I were sitting in his car in

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Speaker 5: that is it as arty he had, ah.

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Speaker 7: I think it was, And we looked up.

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Speaker 5: We were going through his notes, and we looked up

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Speaker 5: and everything had gone dark, and all the windscreens in

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 5: the side windows were covered in kids who had just

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01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 5: literally climbed onto the car.

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Speaker 7: And covered it. And I looked a him and I

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Speaker 7: went bloody.

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Speaker 12: Hell.

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Speaker 7: Top gives changed anyway, And I know what you mean

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Speaker 7: because this never you know, it had been.

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Speaker 5: Drive carefully, This diesel version will return you in economy

1295
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 5: of fifty two miles of the galloy. It had gone

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Speaker 5: from that to this all of a sudden. So those

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Speaker 5: tiny moments made you go, we've really crossed over. Our

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Speaker 5: audience has now exploded. And then other ones like that

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Speaker 5: Richard's crash. Obviously we were I think we're already big

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Speaker 5: by them, but Richard's crashed stunners At how we were

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Speaker 5: part of the nation's TV watching fabric.

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Speaker 7: I would say we did not.

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Speaker 5: The way the news reels were, the way the news

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Speaker 5: coverage was and everything. We thought, oh my god, we

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Speaker 5: were a little show on BBC two and now this

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Speaker 5: is happening. So there's two right there, and then certain

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Speaker 5: films Alabama Petrol Station when they become water cooler moments

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Speaker 5: that everyone's going on about.

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Speaker 2: What was it once it became that? And given that

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Speaker 2: you were employed by the BBC and therefore funded by

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Speaker 2: the TV license, was it in some way, shape or

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Speaker 2: form creatively always going to explode in a way that

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Speaker 2: perhaps it did.

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Speaker 7: Didn't have to, No, it didn't have to.

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Speaker 5: It was I think the things, the elements that were

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Speaker 5: inevitable were because we were making things up as we

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Speaker 5: went along, because we.

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Speaker 7: Had no play.

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Speaker 5: Now that for years served as really well because if

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Speaker 5: you keep if you suddenly surprise yourself and go, oh

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Speaker 5: my god, we can do specials, Oh my god, we

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Speaker 5: can go on long road trips with old cars, and

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Speaker 5: you think of new things as they come, so you

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Speaker 5: surprise yourself, surprise yourself, surprise yourself. Those those moments in

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Speaker 5: turn generate new material which keeps you fresh. But the pressure,

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Speaker 5: as the viewerships grow and the whole you're now in

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Speaker 5: the Guinness Book of Records Most Watched in the World.

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Speaker 5: That pressure grows and grows and grows, but nothing really

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Speaker 5: changed within the way we make the show, as in

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Speaker 5: the size of the team, et cetera, et cetera. It

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Speaker 5: was still very like a little corner shop, a little

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Speaker 5: village store. We were operating like a village store, but

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 5: we'd become a department store, if that makes sense, and

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 5: we hadn't really crued up for it. So the pressure

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Speaker 5: to keep delivering the goods, the pressure of the timetable,

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 5: the scale of the films getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

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Speaker 5: That was putting huge pressure on us. And then we

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Speaker 5: were kind of simultaneously two other things. We were kind

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Speaker 5: of going to war with a certain section of BBC

1340
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 5: management who really were ideologically opposed, whereas before we'd been

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01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 5: tolerated as naughty children. And then a third element, we

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01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 5: were getting a bit big for our boots. So we

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01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 5: were making, you know, things that you'd think twice about

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01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 5: saying or doing, we were.

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Speaker 14: Just doing them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because we'd kind of well, I think we're like

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 5: kids on a sugar rush at birthday party. Would start

1348
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 5: banging into walls and the parents are going, now, a

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 5: minute ago, you were quite a nice child, and now

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01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 5: you've just knocked everything over. So we were getting like that,

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01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 5: and that was a perfect storm. Those three elements with

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01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 5: the perfect storm that led to our demise.

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Speaker 2: Hold on Andy More in a Moment, Andy Wilman out

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Speaker 2: of top Gear, Grand Tour and Clarkson's Farm thirteen pass.

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Speaker 1: The mic, Asking Breakfast full show podcast on iHeart Radio

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Speaker 1: powered my News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be sixteen past night News Talks. It'd be Andy

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Speaker 2: Willman's the Gift. Now I need to talk about him

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Speaker 2: and myn clackes, and of course specifically the magic of

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01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: the three pulling them together. So some aret, some science.

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Speaker 2: What was your role?

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Speaker 7: I think.

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Speaker 5: You would let them. They're like those sort of toys

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01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 5: where you pull the string in.

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01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 7: The back and then they just go.

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01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 5: You know that Their art is that they had no

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01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,479
Speaker 5: scripts and they could just talk and talk and talk,

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Speaker 5: and they.

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Speaker 7: Read each other. They just worked together.

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Speaker 5: So well, however, you've got hundreds of hours of that,

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Speaker 5: and maybe the science and a bit of art was

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Speaker 5: me in the edit, which is where I belonged, crafting

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Speaker 5: them into shape so that you could turn one hundred

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Speaker 5: hours into an hour and a half. I was good

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01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 5: at that, and I knew how to, yeah, watch which

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 5: bits to use, how to make those films into like

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01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 5: a little movie with with movie like disciplines, and what

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01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 5: have you. So I'd say that was my you know,

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Speaker 5: that was my contribution that I could shape them.

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Speaker 2: Does it get easier for you? On Cladson's farm, for example?

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Speaker 2: Do you is he beyond help in terms of the genius?

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Speaker 2: In other words, you.

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Speaker 7: Just beyond the help? But do you stop the centers?

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01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 16: There we go?

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Speaker 7: Is he beyond the help? And then I've been filling

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Speaker 7: for How long is your show on this morning?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You go right? But what do you do with them?

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01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 7: The farm is?

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Speaker 5: The farm is actually a more rewarding even though it's smaller.

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01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 5: You know, the stories are not amphibious cars going across

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 5: the channel. The stories are now moving the goats from

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01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 5: one field to another, or a cowgiving birth. They are

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 5: much reduced in terms.

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Speaker 7: Of like spectacle.

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01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 5: But the farm is a far more challenging and rewarding

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 5: show to make, simply because they shoot all the time.

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01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 5: It's you know, Jeremy walks out of his front door.

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 5: He's at work, so they just shoot and shoot and shoot,

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 5: and then we'll see what sticks to the wall. So

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01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 5: in the edit we get like a truckload of rushes

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 5: that then have to be gone through and sorted, and

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01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 5: there is no real structure to what an episode can be,

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01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 5: whereas in a top gear of films there is a

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01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 5: road map about where they're going and what they're trying

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 5: to achieve. So the Farm is just like that, and

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01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 5: that the walls of the edit are like one of

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01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 5: those sort of beautiful mind you know, all the equations everywhere,

1408
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 5: but just storylines and stuff like that. So that's that's

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01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 5: the rewarding bit, is shaping it. We get to do

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 5: more of that in the edit. Jeremy is absolutely kind

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01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 5: of peak on his game because he's You're getting more

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01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 5: relaxed Jeremy.

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Speaker 7: Everyone will tell you that. On the farm. Everyone's seeing that.

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 5: But I think the difference is where I see his

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01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 5: magic blowing smoke up his bumper a minute is with

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 5: Richard and James. He's got two fellow professionals in the farm, Caleb, Charlie, Lisa, Alan,

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 5: the builder Gerald. They are all not TV people, They're

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01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 5: just people who work around the farm. And once he's

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01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 5: with them, he's like the temple that brings all the

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 5: best out of them in their conversations and so on

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 5: and so on.

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Speaker 7: They're all really good.

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01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 5: But I can see the cold's turning in his head

1424
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 5: when he shapes a scene when they're all nattering you.

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01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 5: So it was lightning in a bottle again. The farm

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 5: a bit like Jeremy Rich and James. You couldn't plan that,

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 5: but the farm cast and crew, the cast is lightning

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01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 5: in a bottle too, because nobody see.

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Speaker 2: If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd say you'd cast

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01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 2: all those people because there's one character. One character's fine.

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01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: All of them are characters, and all of them are brilliant.

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01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: And it defies belief that you can just round a

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01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 2: group of people up in the local area and that's

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Speaker 2: who they are.

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01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, that's what we keep pinching ourselves out

1436
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 5: because you think, surely at some point somebody must come

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01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 5: along and they're not very good, but.

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01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 7: It hasn't happened like I think.

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01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 5: The part of it is is like Charlie has worked

1440
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 5: with Jeremy for years, so he has no when the

1441
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 5: camera is there, it doesn't really make any difference to him.

1442
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 7: And Charlie doesn't even watch himself.

1443
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 5: On TeV the show, so he doesn't get corrupted by

1444
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 5: seeing himself with some people do Gerald's been there forever

1445
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 5: Caleb's works on that farm. Lisa is Jeremy's girlfriend, Charlie,

1446
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 5: I say, has been working for her. Alan has been

1447
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 5: his builder for years. So they're all there now. We

1448
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 5: all tried them out on camera to make sure they

1449
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 5: weren't going to be totally crap, but magic happened. They

1450
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 5: were all They were all pretty perfect. And then you

1451
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 5: see new people coming along, like the chef who runs

1452
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 5: the pub. You go, now, surely he must be like

1453
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 5: a problem now, and he isn't.

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Speaker 7: It's just it's.

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01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 5: Like everyone who comes into that firmament and they kind

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 5: of get into the groove of what the farm's about.

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Speaker 2: Does Clarkson's farm go? I mean, I can't see that

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 2: it doesn't e does it? I mean after two or

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Speaker 2: three seasons, you've seen the seasons and you've seen the

1460
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Speaker 2: cow being born, the pig being born, and the problems.

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Speaker 2: Yet it can go for river.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's We've got that front of mine because

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 5: we were very careful to One of our greater achievements

1464
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Speaker 5: was to end the Grand Tour when we did, because

1465
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 5: most shows always made more one more serious than they

1466
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 5: should of anything, and that's accepted. So it's not seeings

1467
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Speaker 5: of failure in TV circles. It's like it's just what happens.

1468
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Speaker 5: But we were like, no, no, no, we've got to

1469
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Speaker 5: end the grand tour while we've still got an audience

1470
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Speaker 5: and we've still got some dignity exactly.

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Speaker 2: Andy Willman, a joy to meet and talk with you.

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Speaker 2: Congradulateations on the book and you congratulations on top here

1473
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: and all the farm. And let's when you write the

1474
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Speaker 2: book about the farm, we'll get you back on. Talk

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Speaker 2: about that some.

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Speaker 7: More your bess slim book. They've been me going right,

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Speaker 7: more rushes arrived today.

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Speaker 2: All right mate, go well, mister Wilman's motoring adventure Andy

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Speaker 2: more importantly it will help the country. And this country

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Speaker 2: needs to pull every trigger in its arsenal to fire

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Speaker 2: it up. Nine years ago, nine short years ago, we

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01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: were a place of pride and growth and global admiration.

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01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: Labour seventeen through twenty three destroyed that March sixth is

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: a small step back towards redemption and better days.

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Speaker 3: That was a news talk zaid be extra.

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Speaker 2: Now very good news for you this morning, ensied me

1519
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: have just issued their result of the market ended me

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: as the company that runs it'd be among a number

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01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: of other things. So full year ended thirty one December.

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Speaker 2: Operating earnings before interest, TAXI, depreciation and immortalization ibit dhara

1523
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: another word sixty two point three million, which is up

1524
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: from fifty four point two statutory net profit after tax

1525
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: of thirteen point one million. Operating IMPAT was seventeen point

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: seven million earnings per share meaning nine point four cents

1527
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 2: compared with six point five cents. The audio division, which

1528
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: is the department you're listening to currently the best department

1529
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 2: in my humble opinion, strong performance. These are their words,

1530
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 2: not mine. Strong performance, profitability, twenty three percent, overall revenue

1531
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,759
Speaker 2: growth five percent digital audio revenue ten percent growth. Audio

1532
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: also showed positive science heading into twenty twenty six. Revenue

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01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: share increased from September to December of twenty five. Good

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01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: news in my book twenty two minutes away from.

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Speaker 16: Nine International correspondence with endsit Eye Insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 16: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 25: Roderick, good morning to you, Good morning to you, mate.

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01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: Now the Mandelssohn arrest I was thinking about, funnily enough,

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: given all that's happened since we last talked so Andrew

1540
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: obviously in mandlssoon Now does the heat go off Starmer

1541
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 2: and as many problems associated with this case because Andrew's

1542
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: been done for and Mandalsson's been done for as well,

1543
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: or depending on what comes out of the Mandelssohn thing,

1544
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: does the heat get put back on Starmer.

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 25: As if the heat in the end gets back on Starmer. Lastly,

1546
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 25: of course, because Peter Bangleson was a labor appointment, it

1547
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 25: wouldn't surprise me if Mandolsshon himself was almost directly responsible

1548
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 25: for appointing Andrew to the role of trade on Edvoy

1549
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 25: in two thousand and one. And that's roughly where at

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01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 25: Mandelssohn was working at the time. And you know, it's

1551
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 25: a very mandalssome kind of decision to take, isn't it.

1552
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 25: I think this stores up problems for Sakir. It possibly

1553
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 25: in the short term deflects attention away from how appallingly

1554
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 25: badly the government is being run. So, for example, my

1555
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 25: opinion last week was that the story of the week

1556
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 25: was the date Bark over the Chagos Islands, where, for example,

1557
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 25: the bizarre irony is that now the British government will

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01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 25: be in the position of arresting and putting in prison

1559
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,919
Speaker 25: for three years very people they supposedly liberated those islands.

1560
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 25: For these are the Chagossians who have gone to settle

1561
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 25: back on Jager's Island. And I think that's a scandal.

1562
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 25: But it was rather dwarfed by the very grand standing

1563
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 25: shots of the police turning up to arrest Andrew and now,

1564
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 25: of course the arrest of Mandls And that's certainly the

1565
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 25: stuff which captures the immediate headlines. But there's a lot

1566
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 25: more to come out in those Epstein files.

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01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to be unfair to you,

1568
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 2: but because I'm generalizing here, but so you run things

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01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: differently than we do in this country. When somebody gets arrested,

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01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 2: they get charged. So in Britain you don't. You get arrested.

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01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 2: In questioned if charges are coming, how long does that take?

1572
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 2: Can it be ours days? Months? And I asked this

1573
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 2: for both Andrew and Mendelssohn.

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01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 25: It could be both, It could be either, and I

1575
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 25: would tend towards the latter. It will be ages because

1576
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 25: it's such a complicated crime. To prove misconduct in a

1577
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 25: public office. You have to prove motive, you have to

1578
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 25: prove that it was done in order to get gain,

1579
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 25: et cetera, et cetera. So it's very difficult. I would

1580
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 25: have thought, you know, rather easier to prove it of Andrew.

1581
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 25: You would think, so he denies all wrongdoing, of course,

1582
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 25: that it is of Peter mandelssoon but we shall see.

1583
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 25: It's the mainly problem might is for the monarchy. You know.

1584
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 25: It's not just about removing Andrew from being eighth in

1585
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 25: the line to the throne, which moves me up by

1586
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 25: the way to thirty nine million, two hundred and fifty thousands.

1587
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 25: So I'm getting there, mate. It's about everything connected with

1588
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 25: the with the with the extravagance of the Royal List

1589
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 25: and all the people who are on it, and the

1590
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 25: amount of money is that Sarah Ferguson has got that

1591
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 25: you Shaney and Beatrice have got, you know, all of

1592
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 25: this stuff. The more we learn about Prince Andrew not

1593
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 25: paying for his own masses when he's abroad supposedly helping

1594
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 25: helping the country, I think there's a the dial is

1595
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 25: turning towards republicanism and unless Charles, King Charles does something urgently,

1596
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 25: it will turn a lot further towards them.

1597
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 2: Having said that he has always been a fan of

1598
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 2: a trim down monarchy, hasn't he?

1599
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 25: He has, and he's done. He's taken quite decisive action

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01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 25: in the past. About Prince Andrew. I was looking at

1601
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 25: it the other day and I wrote a piece in

1602
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 25: the Sun today about it. I mean, does he need

1603
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:38,520
Speaker 25: seventeen palaces?

1604
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 19: You know?

1605
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 25: You know, it's just that level of extravagance. And then

1606
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 25: once that extravagance has been exposed, delivering a lecture to

1607
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 25: the British people about how they ought to embrace next zero,

1608
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 25: you know, all of that stuff.

1609
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 2: Greats, Yeah, exactly are they going to do? You think

1610
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 2: remove Andrew from the monarchy lineup. I mean, how convoluted

1611
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 2: is that particular legism the process.

1612
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 25: I don't think it's terribly convoluted. I think we have

1613
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 25: to ask your permission.

1614
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: Not you. Well, what is face elbow? Elbow is written

1615
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 2: to Starmer, hasn't he? He said, Australia is all on board.

1616
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, indeed, indeed, indeed. So I don't think that's

1617
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 25: a great problem with moving in from from eighth in

1618
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 25: the in the list, and eighth in the list is

1619
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 25: pretty low down anyway. I don't think the public gives

1620
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 25: the monkeys too much, but it does want justice to

1621
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 25: be done. And you know, I think next to the

1622
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 25: firing line is probably Sarah Ferguson. People really really don't

1623
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 25: like her and never did.

1624
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: No exactly is there. I'm sort of like the getting

1625
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 2: Andrew on the official side of it. The invoy works

1626
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 2: the words if you're after chardon Freud and you want

1627
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: him to pay the price, does the fact that have

1628
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: got him seemingly on the envoy work as opposed to

1629
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 2: being a sexual deviant in the island and all that

1630
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 2: other stuff? Does that matter to the victims and the

1631
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 2: people who want them done for.

1632
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 25: Clearly not the well, it matters a little as oppose

1633
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 25: to the people who are who are surrounding the family

1634
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 25: of Virginia's free But those are further allegations and further

1635
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 25: problems for Andrew which he may be forced either by

1636
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 25: the force of public opinion or indeed by the long

1637
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 25: arm of the law to go and answer. In the USA,

1638
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 25: it remains to be seen if there's enough hard evidence.

1639
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 25: But we've had a few more, you know, quotes from

1640
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 25: the Epstein files, which says that he had consensual sex

1641
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 25: with Virginia Defray, which he would deny. But even if

1642
01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 25: proven true, does that necessarily mean he's a pedified I

1643
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 25: think that's strictly illegal in that case.

1644
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: Exactly, all right, mate, ketch up in a couple of days.

1645
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Rod a little out of Britain eight forty

1646
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 2: five already.

1647
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: A't be very pleased to say that you like the

1650
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,879
Speaker 2: Wilman interview, which is good, Mike, you right, Willman's a genius,

1651
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: fantastic interview with the top men on top Gear. Mike

1652
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 2: great interview with Wilman. I was a listening who told

1653
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 2: you to watch Clarkson's Farm. I didn't realize that. Well,

1654
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 2: thank you, Paul, I'm glad I did. I just love it.

1655
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 2: And Mike, if I had a meserati and the next

1656
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: thing it's covered with children, I'd strangle them all. Welfare

1657
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: point too, Mike, we had Dilwin. We had Dilwin. The

1658
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 2: vet from Clarkson's Farm stayed with us three weeks ago.

1659
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: He's not going to be in series six. It's Gary

1660
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: who runs the men's luxury lodge in Hawks Bay.

1661
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 18: Why did they do something to him?

1662
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 2: Well, what's he's saying? He said, well, Dowan never left

1663
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 2: the property, So is that what you know? Fair point.

1664
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: I am just going back to insidmes results, just crunching

1665
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: through a few numbers. Digital audio advertisings up ten percent

1666
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 2: for the year, which is this is a direct reflection

1667
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 2: of the economy. I'm I'm not blowing our own trump. Well,

1668
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 2: I am blowing our own trump and a little bit,

1669
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: I guess just counteracts all the misery you hear about

1670
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: the media. If you do media well, you do well.

1671
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Simple as that. If you do media well, you do well.

1672
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: So next time you hear the medium boning about you know,

1673
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 2: it's a difficult it's a difficult time for media. It's

1674
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 2: not really If you're doing media well, you're doing fine.

1675
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,759
Speaker 2: Radio advertising is up four percent, so that's a direct

1676
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: reflection of the economy are operating. Ybit dar up twenty

1677
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: three percent, so it's all encouraging. We've also got the

1678
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: we've got some moaners amongst us this morning from the

1679
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 2: vape community. Who's Antoinette's written.

1680
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 3: No, it's time to wheel out a.

1681
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: Wider Intinet's written to us. We did the story on

1682
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: vaping earlier on this morning, and the vaping people, I

1683
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 2: think these the people who've got the contract is that

1684
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: is that why they're moaning, So they've got the contract

1685
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: to hand out the three vapes. So since vaping became

1686
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 2: widely available in twenty eighteen, New Zealand's daily smoking rate

1687
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 2: has harved. Multiple independent Cochrane reviews confirmed that nicodeine vaping

1688
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: is significantly more effective for quitting smoking than traditional nicodine

1689
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: replacement therapy such as patches and gum. The woman we

1690
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 2: interviewed earlier, the researcher Kelly Burrow, she was pooh poohing

1691
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 2: all this is a landmark. University of New South Wales

1692
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 2: trial found vaping to be approximately three times more effective

1693
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 2: than nicotine replacement therapy. Public health policy should be driven

1694
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: by clinical evidence, not moral discomfort. The upset from Antoinette

1695
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 2: appears to be on our website. We've said it's what

1696
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: are we saying? It's a it's a low success rate.

1697
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 2: Forty seven percent quit rates a low success rate. The

1698
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: thing about this is we're allowed to say whatever we want,

1699
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 2: and we've decided at forty seven percent it is a

1700
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 2: low rate because winning and losing. Right, If I say

1701
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 2: to you, how'd you go? How'd your season go? And

1702
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: I go, well, I won forty seven percent of the time,

1703
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: someone would go well, it's pretty low success rate, isn't it.

1704
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 2: I mean they wouldn't go, wow, what a season, weren't they?

1705
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: So we've decided forty seven percent rates are low success rate,

1706
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 2: and we're allowed to say that and twenties, so.

1707
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 18: You can't. You can't argue that it's high.

1708
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 2: You get it's not high.

1709
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 18: So if it's not higher, it must be low.

1710
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: I think we're right. What did we just do? Did

1711
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: we roll out a winer for goodness sake?

1712
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 3: No, it's time to wheel out a winder.

1713
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 18: Any wonder that audio does so well in this company.

1714
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 2: This is where the money is. It's this crap nine

1715
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 2: away from nine the.

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Speaker 2: the walls right. So the key is the Heartland Bank

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01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 2: reverse mortgage let you unlock the value of your home.

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01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: Of course, means you can leverage the asset you own

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01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: while keeping the home you love. So here's how it works.

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01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 2: Your Heartland Bank specialist works with you figure out how

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01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 2: much you're able to access. No negative equity guarantee means

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01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 2: you'll never owe more than what your home sells for.

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01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 2: No camps repayments while you live in your home are

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01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: to help ease that cash flow pressure. And their lifetime

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01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 2: occupancy promise means you continue to own and live in

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Speaker 2: your home for as long as you choose. And what

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01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: do people use that reverse mortgage money for? Wel trip

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01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: overseas to visit the grandees, the renovations, the consolidating of

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01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 2: the debt, the healthcare, buying that motorbike they've always wanted,

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01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: whatever your choice. If you're over sixty, you unlock the

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01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: possibilities of your retirement with a Heartland Bank reverse mortgage

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01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 2: eight hundred and four eight eight seven forty eight hundred

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01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 2: four double eight seven forty Talk to a specialist or

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01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: online at Heartland dot Co dot NZ that Heartland Bank

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01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 2: responsible lending criteria applies. Of course, teas and season fees apply.

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01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: But Heartland dot Co dot m Z asking Mercury five

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01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 2: point thirty seven million up twenty eight percent. It rained,

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01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: hydro lakes are full. They're putting shed loads into the renewables.

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 2: There's another successful power company for US five to.

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Speaker 1: Nine trending now quit MS Warehouse, the real house of fregrancy.

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01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: Now Dave Hughes, the Australian comedian. He's moaning about the

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01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: fact that Quantus flight was delayed by over three hours.

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01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 2: Made this point and people are into it.

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Speaker 6: So that sign meant to go at eight fifteen going

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01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 6: eleven forty five, three and a half hours late. Last week,

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01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 6: I was twenty minutes late for a flight. Freaking flyer

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01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 6: missed it, said can I get on the next one?

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01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: Got tired?

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01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 6: I'd have to buy another ticket. Twenty minutes late twent

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01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 6: half hours late. Am I going to get a FreeFlight now?

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01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 13: Just out now bullshit?

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01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the way it works. Yeah, just so I've

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01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 2: got time for mercury. So the hydros are full, the

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01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: profits five thirty seven, the impats twenty million, these are

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01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: all just like you're just going. But all that's happened

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01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 2: is my power bill's gone up. They do say that

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01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: they've got a billion in investment on the when the

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01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 2: geothermal soul everyone's into everything. So I don't know how

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01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: you feel about that. All I know is that I

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01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: know what I pay for power, and I know those

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01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,919
Speaker 2: guys are making lots of money. You do on successful

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01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 2: power companies, and you do one day, think too, we'll

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01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 2: get to the point of supply being. You know there's

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01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: enough's enough, won't we.

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Speaker 18: I mean, you never know when you want to swap

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01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 18: out your coal power.

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Speaker 14: Day for it.

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Speaker 2: Don't go there. Boss and I were arguing, were we screaming?

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01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 2: It was pretty close to screaming, wasn't it. We're pretty

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01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: close to screaming at each other A couple of moments ago.

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01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how thick he was. Anyway, I had

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01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 2: to put them right on the coal and the power

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01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: and the future and stuff like that. But that that

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01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: didn't end well. If I'm not here tomorrow, you know

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01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: it went worse than I thought it did. I thought

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01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: it was amusing until I worked out how thick he was. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow, Happy Days.

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