1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:16,027 Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB. The biggest names in sport are here. 3 00:00:16,427 --> 00:00:19,867 Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine, News Talks EDB. 4 00:00:20,787 --> 00:00:24,187 Speaker 2: The All Blacks have a new head coach, Dave Rennie, 5 00:00:24,227 --> 00:00:28,307 Speaker 2: appointed this week following the departure of Scott Robertson. One 6 00:00:28,467 --> 00:00:31,787 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two Test double World Cup winning Former 7 00:00:31,827 --> 00:00:35,387 Speaker 2: All Blacks hooker Kevin Milamou played a key role in 8 00:00:35,427 --> 00:00:38,187 Speaker 2: that process. He was part of the panel that reviewed 9 00:00:38,227 --> 00:00:41,627 Speaker 2: the team's performance in twenty twenty five and also part 10 00:00:41,707 --> 00:00:45,307 Speaker 2: of the recruitment panel that selected Dave Rennie as the 11 00:00:45,347 --> 00:00:48,667 Speaker 2: new All Blacks head coach. Kevin Milamu is with us 12 00:00:48,707 --> 00:00:51,667 Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport. Kevin, thanks for your time. How close 13 00:00:51,827 --> 00:00:56,027 Speaker 2: was the call between Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph and 14 00:00:56,147 --> 00:00:59,507 Speaker 2: what were the key factors that ultimately tipped the balance 15 00:01:00,027 --> 00:01:01,187 Speaker 2: in Dave Rennie's favor? 16 00:01:02,667 --> 00:01:05,827 Speaker 3: Some good questions there. I think to start with Ashley, 17 00:01:06,707 --> 00:01:08,747 Speaker 3: I can say we must be, we must be the 18 00:01:08,827 --> 00:01:10,947 Speaker 3: envy of the rugby world at the moment. I just 19 00:01:11,147 --> 00:01:14,707 Speaker 3: want to think of our two candidates just really too 20 00:01:14,787 --> 00:01:19,827 Speaker 3: high caliber coaches, but also you know, the more people 21 00:01:19,907 --> 00:01:23,547 Speaker 3: we spoke to, especially when doing our reference checks and 22 00:01:23,547 --> 00:01:27,307 Speaker 3: referee checks, they just talked of really good people, really 23 00:01:27,307 --> 00:01:31,107 Speaker 3: good people and and and great coaches. So there wasn't 24 00:01:31,147 --> 00:01:35,307 Speaker 3: much in it. Actually, I just believe both of them, 25 00:01:35,347 --> 00:01:38,147 Speaker 3: both of them had to have the skill sets, you know. 26 00:01:38,227 --> 00:01:42,867 Speaker 3: And then when I reflect back to what what what 27 00:01:42,867 --> 00:01:44,787 Speaker 3: what did it look like? It could have possibly just 28 00:01:44,827 --> 00:01:49,667 Speaker 3: been the preparation that David had come with. And I 29 00:01:50,027 --> 00:01:52,867 Speaker 3: also think from my time as being an All Black 30 00:01:52,987 --> 00:01:58,347 Speaker 3: just as he has prepared as uh as a rugby 31 00:01:58,907 --> 00:02:01,987 Speaker 3: work and just looking at ways forward and the opportunities 32 00:02:01,987 --> 00:02:03,987 Speaker 3: that he sees in our game. I think that was 33 00:02:04,027 --> 00:02:05,227 Speaker 3: something that really stood out for me. 34 00:02:05,707 --> 00:02:09,227 Speaker 2: Was there something well Kevian and Dave Rennie's vision for 35 00:02:09,307 --> 00:02:11,867 Speaker 2: the All Blacks that that really resonated with you and 36 00:02:11,907 --> 00:02:12,547 Speaker 2: with the panel? 37 00:02:14,947 --> 00:02:18,627 Speaker 3: I definitely think. I definitely think so. All we've been 38 00:02:18,667 --> 00:02:22,507 Speaker 3: able to see from Dave across the multiple teams over 39 00:02:22,547 --> 00:02:25,947 Speaker 3: the years and his and his experience around the world 40 00:02:26,027 --> 00:02:29,267 Speaker 3: is that he's been able to grow great culture and 41 00:02:29,267 --> 00:02:31,947 Speaker 3: and teams that looked tighter and they and and they 42 00:02:32,387 --> 00:02:35,347 Speaker 3: and that's the way they play as well. So definitely, 43 00:02:36,067 --> 00:02:40,467 Speaker 3: definitely around how we built culture. You can see the 44 00:02:40,587 --> 00:02:42,907 Speaker 3: success that he's put into the team that he's been around, 45 00:02:42,987 --> 00:02:43,907 Speaker 3: especially around the world. 46 00:02:44,387 --> 00:02:47,827 Speaker 2: How rigorous was the due diligence part of this? The 47 00:02:48,107 --> 00:02:50,987 Speaker 2: background checks you mentioned them before, you know, those you 48 00:02:51,107 --> 00:02:53,467 Speaker 2: spoke to to get to get a gauge on on 49 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:54,627 Speaker 2: both candidates. 50 00:02:55,627 --> 00:02:58,387 Speaker 3: Yes, I was really lucky to I think in total 51 00:02:58,427 --> 00:03:03,947 Speaker 3: we had about ten referees that myself and Don tricker, 52 00:03:04,747 --> 00:03:09,187 Speaker 3: but through as we spoke to players, people that had 53 00:03:09,387 --> 00:03:12,667 Speaker 3: coached alongside the coaches as well, and just being able 54 00:03:12,707 --> 00:03:14,547 Speaker 3: to spend a lot of time dig a little bit 55 00:03:14,547 --> 00:03:19,147 Speaker 3: deeper into, you know, their philosophy, how they manage people, 56 00:03:19,187 --> 00:03:22,347 Speaker 3: how they bring teams along. It was. It was done well, 57 00:03:22,387 --> 00:03:25,187 Speaker 3: and I think that's you know, I think that's that's 58 00:03:25,227 --> 00:03:26,987 Speaker 3: what it takes for us to make sure that we 59 00:03:27,067 --> 00:03:30,707 Speaker 3: landed with the right people. So a lot of a 60 00:03:30,707 --> 00:03:34,067 Speaker 3: lot of time and thoughts gone into the process. But 61 00:03:35,347 --> 00:03:38,747 Speaker 3: you know, when I think think about it, that's how 62 00:03:38,787 --> 00:03:40,547 Speaker 3: important it is. We just we just needed to make 63 00:03:40,547 --> 00:03:41,827 Speaker 3: sure we put in the work to make sure we've 64 00:03:41,867 --> 00:03:42,547 Speaker 3: got the right person. 65 00:03:42,947 --> 00:03:46,027 Speaker 2: As a former All Black yourself and double World Cup 66 00:03:46,027 --> 00:03:49,747 Speaker 2: winner one hundred and thirty two tests the unique insight 67 00:03:49,827 --> 00:03:51,947 Speaker 2: that you were able to bring into this process along 68 00:03:51,987 --> 00:03:54,907 Speaker 2: with Dane Coles of course, who was also involved. What 69 00:03:54,947 --> 00:03:59,187 Speaker 2: were you specifically looking for to hear from these two 70 00:03:59,267 --> 00:04:01,827 Speaker 2: candidates that that would give you reassurance that you were 71 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:04,587 Speaker 2: on the on the right track of picking the correct candidate. 72 00:04:07,667 --> 00:04:10,627 Speaker 3: I think there's a few things in that there's someone 73 00:04:10,627 --> 00:04:16,547 Speaker 3: that's able to really get players to really to really 74 00:04:16,547 --> 00:04:18,787 Speaker 3: feel connected to the jersey, to be able to build 75 00:04:18,787 --> 00:04:24,387 Speaker 3: that culture, that culture that also gets players to feel 76 00:04:24,387 --> 00:04:26,787 Speaker 3: confident and believe in what they're doing, but also really 77 00:04:27,027 --> 00:04:31,187 Speaker 3: drive hard performance. That's the that's it's one of the 78 00:04:31,227 --> 00:04:33,507 Speaker 3: priority is the key expectation of being an All Black 79 00:04:33,507 --> 00:04:36,187 Speaker 3: as well that that you're performing on the field. I 80 00:04:36,267 --> 00:04:38,867 Speaker 3: also think that when we talked to had a chance 81 00:04:38,867 --> 00:04:40,827 Speaker 3: to talk about Dave, he had a really clear plan 82 00:04:41,707 --> 00:04:44,147 Speaker 3: of what the short runway looks like, you know, leading 83 00:04:44,147 --> 00:04:47,347 Speaker 3: into EAC eighteen months. But he he also said it's 84 00:04:47,347 --> 00:04:49,707 Speaker 3: gonna look like tifteen because you're gonna need about three 85 00:04:50,107 --> 00:04:51,827 Speaker 3: three months to get your feet under the desk. So 86 00:04:53,747 --> 00:04:56,147 Speaker 3: I think just it's a combination of things that you 87 00:04:56,227 --> 00:05:00,027 Speaker 3: look at but deepically look at what what the age 88 00:05:00,027 --> 00:05:02,907 Speaker 3: has done to to build strong cultures and and a 89 00:05:02,987 --> 00:05:07,027 Speaker 3: and a short amount of time, and his for support 90 00:05:07,187 --> 00:05:11,267 Speaker 3: of excellence and having high standards and driving driving performance. 91 00:05:11,267 --> 00:05:12,707 Speaker 3: I think were so there really start. 92 00:05:12,467 --> 00:05:15,107 Speaker 2: Out once you got to the final part of this, 93 00:05:15,187 --> 00:05:18,107 Speaker 2: the final interviews with the two candidates, did you go 94 00:05:18,227 --> 00:05:21,107 Speaker 2: into that part of the process with an idea in 95 00:05:21,147 --> 00:05:23,467 Speaker 2: your mind that that that day was your man or 96 00:05:23,507 --> 00:05:26,867 Speaker 2: did he need the final part of the interview process 97 00:05:26,947 --> 00:05:29,387 Speaker 2: to raally solidify that in your mind. 98 00:05:31,347 --> 00:05:34,707 Speaker 3: I feel, as we did the last interview, it was 99 00:05:35,027 --> 00:05:37,427 Speaker 3: there wasn't a five There still was wasn't one person 100 00:05:37,467 --> 00:05:40,387 Speaker 3: ahead of the other. So it was some really heavy 101 00:05:40,427 --> 00:05:44,307 Speaker 3: discussion and weighing up the pros and cons, which I 102 00:05:44,307 --> 00:05:46,427 Speaker 3: think is a really good way of being able to 103 00:05:46,427 --> 00:05:49,147 Speaker 3: go into this. That's how close it was, that's how 104 00:05:49,227 --> 00:05:52,667 Speaker 3: well both presented, and just shows the real quality of 105 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:56,667 Speaker 3: the coaches that we you know, that that had that 106 00:05:56,707 --> 00:05:59,907 Speaker 3: had come down to so pretty much right up until 107 00:06:01,427 --> 00:06:03,467 Speaker 3: we were debating all the way up right right up 108 00:06:03,507 --> 00:06:03,867 Speaker 3: to the end. 109 00:06:05,507 --> 00:06:07,787 Speaker 2: Did you talk to the two of them about who 110 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:09,547 Speaker 2: they would like to have working with them? I know 111 00:06:09,627 --> 00:06:11,587 Speaker 2: that decision still to come, but did you get an 112 00:06:11,587 --> 00:06:13,587 Speaker 2: idea from the two of them who they would like 113 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:15,427 Speaker 2: to bring in alongside or retain. 114 00:06:16,787 --> 00:06:19,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's one of the things that we'll 115 00:06:20,027 --> 00:06:23,347 Speaker 3: sort of we'll get a chance to reveal itself over time. Obviously, 116 00:06:23,387 --> 00:06:26,707 Speaker 3: there there's still management that are that are still there 117 00:06:26,747 --> 00:06:29,787 Speaker 3: at the moment currently, so it will be something that 118 00:06:30,147 --> 00:06:34,027 Speaker 3: unfolds with times and you want to respect that those 119 00:06:34,067 --> 00:06:36,667 Speaker 3: that are there at the moment, they're going through a 120 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:40,827 Speaker 3: process in itself again, so it's one of those things 121 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:43,947 Speaker 3: that that we talk about, but in respect to those 122 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:46,987 Speaker 3: that are they're currently you want you want that to 123 00:06:47,427 --> 00:06:48,427 Speaker 3: let it play itself out. 124 00:06:49,267 --> 00:06:53,147 Speaker 2: The All Blacks have long drawn enormous strength from pacifica players. 125 00:06:53,667 --> 00:06:56,507 Speaker 2: How significant is it that Dave Rennie now becomes the 126 00:06:56,547 --> 00:07:00,267 Speaker 2: first head coach of the All Blacks of Pacificer heritage. 127 00:07:01,947 --> 00:07:06,067 Speaker 3: It's it's a very proud moment. You know, one of 128 00:07:06,067 --> 00:07:10,347 Speaker 3: our other board members, Karen Arangi that's on the New 129 00:07:10,427 --> 00:07:12,387 Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby board, she was the first to say that 130 00:07:13,627 --> 00:07:16,787 Speaker 3: she's one of the one of the people for the 131 00:07:16,907 --> 00:07:23,027 Speaker 3: Cocarlan World domination. Just to see you know, it's like 132 00:07:23,147 --> 00:07:24,707 Speaker 3: all things, you know, when you get a chance to 133 00:07:24,747 --> 00:07:29,147 Speaker 3: see some amazing role models, it always says say for 134 00:07:29,227 --> 00:07:33,547 Speaker 3: those younger and those that want to one day become 135 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:36,827 Speaker 3: an All Black coach at it's possible. So well, it's 136 00:07:36,867 --> 00:07:41,427 Speaker 3: a wonderful day and hopefully it opens the door for 137 00:07:41,627 --> 00:07:45,507 Speaker 3: more people of pacifica background to look to say, hey, 138 00:07:45,547 --> 00:07:47,467 Speaker 3: maybe this might be a pathway for me as well. 139 00:07:47,987 --> 00:07:49,947 Speaker 2: Do you see a possible roll down the track for 140 00:07:50,027 --> 00:07:52,267 Speaker 2: Jamie Joseph with the All Blacks? Is there a scenario 141 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:53,627 Speaker 2: under which that might play out? 142 00:07:55,467 --> 00:07:58,227 Speaker 3: I can, I can. You can never say never, And 143 00:07:58,987 --> 00:08:04,027 Speaker 3: I just think we, you know, to be able to 144 00:08:04,027 --> 00:08:08,387 Speaker 3: have Jamie and our and our ECO system, we'll be 145 00:08:08,427 --> 00:08:11,427 Speaker 3: really lucky to have him still stay with us hereah 146 00:08:11,427 --> 00:08:13,827 Speaker 3: and his yearlier. I know there's so many opportunities that 147 00:08:14,107 --> 00:08:17,147 Speaker 3: will come up, and that's that's the that speaks more 148 00:08:17,187 --> 00:08:21,267 Speaker 3: so to his caliber of coaching. But yeah, you know, 149 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:23,827 Speaker 3: just you'd love we would love to have both of him. 150 00:08:23,827 --> 00:08:27,947 Speaker 3: But obviously this this role can only can only be 151 00:08:27,947 --> 00:08:28,707 Speaker 3: held by one. 152 00:08:29,307 --> 00:08:32,347 Speaker 2: It's been a very busy few months for you, Kevin. 153 00:08:32,627 --> 00:08:35,147 Speaker 2: You know, as I say this off the back of 154 00:08:35,187 --> 00:08:38,267 Speaker 2: the review of twenty twenty five, how do you reflect 155 00:08:38,307 --> 00:08:40,027 Speaker 2: back on the review that you were a part of 156 00:08:40,067 --> 00:08:43,107 Speaker 2: and the eventual decision that you're made to make a change. 157 00:08:45,387 --> 00:08:47,827 Speaker 3: Yes, it's been a it has been a it's been 158 00:08:47,867 --> 00:08:51,347 Speaker 3: a big process. And getting the chance to reflect back, 159 00:08:51,427 --> 00:08:53,787 Speaker 3: I think it's I think I always think of it. 160 00:08:53,987 --> 00:08:57,387 Speaker 3: It's people first, and when doing these sort of things. 161 00:08:57,387 --> 00:09:01,387 Speaker 3: He's always had in difficult decisions to make and and 162 00:09:01,467 --> 00:09:04,307 Speaker 3: people are usually at the center of this. So obviously 163 00:09:04,347 --> 00:09:08,067 Speaker 3: with change coming that means that there's there's those those 164 00:09:08,067 --> 00:09:12,307 Speaker 3: hard conversations to have, So you think about the people 165 00:09:12,347 --> 00:09:14,587 Speaker 3: involved and the family, so you want to make sure 166 00:09:14,587 --> 00:09:19,547 Speaker 3: that's done well with with real integrity, and then looking forward, 167 00:09:20,347 --> 00:09:25,307 Speaker 3: you understand the how important this is, so you're you know, 168 00:09:25,507 --> 00:09:28,187 Speaker 3: you know, I feel that that all that have been 169 00:09:28,227 --> 00:09:30,867 Speaker 3: involved have been willing to take the time to make 170 00:09:30,907 --> 00:09:32,867 Speaker 3: sure this is done right. It's it means a lot 171 00:09:32,907 --> 00:09:35,107 Speaker 3: to us in the Rugby community, it means a lot 172 00:09:35,147 --> 00:09:37,707 Speaker 3: to New Zealanders. So we want to make sure that 173 00:09:37,707 --> 00:09:40,587 Speaker 3: this job's done well. And wouldn't we get a chance 174 00:09:40,627 --> 00:09:42,707 Speaker 3: to reflect back. We just wanted to make sure that 175 00:09:42,747 --> 00:09:47,467 Speaker 3: there's no stones until unturned. So it's been a lot 176 00:09:47,507 --> 00:09:50,947 Speaker 3: of work, it's been done really well and and hopefully 177 00:09:51,467 --> 00:09:53,467 Speaker 3: well we can we can look back and say this 178 00:09:53,507 --> 00:09:55,627 Speaker 3: has been done well, but this is this is now 179 00:09:55,707 --> 00:09:56,827 Speaker 3: where the work really begins. 180 00:09:57,747 --> 00:10:01,227 Speaker 2: Indeed, I know anybody who's who's watched you play, has 181 00:10:01,227 --> 00:10:04,307 Speaker 2: played with you, has worked alongside you. Kevin always talks 182 00:10:04,307 --> 00:10:07,947 Speaker 2: about how much people to you, how much the people 183 00:10:08,507 --> 00:10:11,307 Speaker 2: you work with and alongside mean to you. Was there 184 00:10:11,347 --> 00:10:14,947 Speaker 2: a moment during this review where the emotional side of 185 00:10:14,947 --> 00:10:17,867 Speaker 2: this decision really had you knowing the impact that it 186 00:10:17,947 --> 00:10:19,787 Speaker 2: was going to have on Scott. 187 00:10:19,547 --> 00:10:25,627 Speaker 3: Robertson Oh one d you know, because it's no you know, 188 00:10:26,147 --> 00:10:28,467 Speaker 3: if I can put myself on the shoes, you know, 189 00:10:29,067 --> 00:10:32,627 Speaker 3: I always speak to I remember my time as an 190 00:10:32,667 --> 00:10:37,147 Speaker 3: all black and we always have lunch, you know, someun 191 00:10:37,187 --> 00:10:39,627 Speaker 3: days there usually days we have lunch with our entire family, 192 00:10:39,707 --> 00:10:43,867 Speaker 3: so over my parents' house, and my dad, who worked 193 00:10:43,907 --> 00:10:47,027 Speaker 3: on the on the flat factory floor, would always say 194 00:10:47,707 --> 00:10:49,227 Speaker 3: some they amount of people that come up to me 195 00:10:49,267 --> 00:10:51,427 Speaker 3: and tell me that if you should of your son 196 00:10:51,467 --> 00:10:52,787 Speaker 3: should have done it this way, he should have done 197 00:10:52,787 --> 00:10:55,507 Speaker 3: it that way. So there's you know, there's always families 198 00:10:55,547 --> 00:10:59,787 Speaker 3: involved in this. So it's definitely something I think about, 199 00:10:59,827 --> 00:11:02,067 Speaker 3: and you know, I think we should all think about 200 00:11:02,067 --> 00:11:04,947 Speaker 3: it as well. So that so that whatever the decision is, 201 00:11:05,467 --> 00:11:08,707 Speaker 3: it's still done with what's good the utmost respect because 202 00:11:09,147 --> 00:11:11,147 Speaker 3: because that's what it deserves. 203 00:11:10,587 --> 00:11:13,747 Speaker 2: Indeed, so after the after the decision was made for 204 00:11:13,867 --> 00:11:15,907 Speaker 2: Dave Annie the other day, you must have been a 205 00:11:15,907 --> 00:11:18,147 Speaker 2: bit naked, well you did, you have the chances of 206 00:11:18,347 --> 00:11:20,347 Speaker 2: decompress a little bit after it was all done, because 207 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:22,387 Speaker 2: it's been a rod bust process by the sounds of it. 208 00:11:23,427 --> 00:11:25,307 Speaker 3: I know the I know there are people out there 209 00:11:25,307 --> 00:11:28,267 Speaker 3: that that have got bigger jobs than than what we do, 210 00:11:28,347 --> 00:11:31,467 Speaker 3: but I don't know. There's definitely that mental fatigue. It's 211 00:11:32,307 --> 00:11:36,907 Speaker 3: it's obviously something that's yeah, yeah, and then yeah and 212 00:11:36,987 --> 00:11:39,427 Speaker 3: then out talk because obviously there's there's other work that 213 00:11:39,467 --> 00:11:41,907 Speaker 3: that needs to be done my usual day job. But 214 00:11:41,947 --> 00:11:44,867 Speaker 3: also yeah, when I when I think back, I just 215 00:11:45,347 --> 00:11:48,787 Speaker 3: I do feel a little bit tired. But but it's 216 00:11:48,827 --> 00:11:53,267 Speaker 3: been with it. It's the learning, the making sure that 217 00:11:53,307 --> 00:11:56,267 Speaker 3: it's done right and and we have definitely landed with 218 00:11:56,267 --> 00:11:58,827 Speaker 3: the right person. So it's something that I can feel 219 00:11:59,387 --> 00:12:00,267 Speaker 3: feel really proud of that. 220 00:12:00,307 --> 00:12:04,387 Speaker 2: Actually, just to Finnish, you talked about the short runway 221 00:12:04,627 --> 00:12:07,707 Speaker 2: and there is a World Cup and nineteen months from now, 222 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:10,467 Speaker 2: what will success look like? For the All Blacks under 223 00:12:10,507 --> 00:12:13,627 Speaker 2: Dave Renny and how quickly do you expect that All 224 00:12:13,627 --> 00:12:15,307 Speaker 2: Blacks fans will see that? 225 00:12:17,147 --> 00:12:19,907 Speaker 3: Well, good question. I think what does success looks like? 226 00:12:19,907 --> 00:12:22,507 Speaker 3: It looks like our team playing to the potential. I 227 00:12:22,547 --> 00:12:26,387 Speaker 3: think that that's when we know when you when you 228 00:12:26,427 --> 00:12:31,387 Speaker 3: see and you're around the team, that you feel that 229 00:12:31,987 --> 00:12:34,147 Speaker 3: it's a I suppose that's it's the it's a word 230 00:12:34,147 --> 00:12:35,627 Speaker 3: at the moment you feel the horror of the of 231 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:38,227 Speaker 3: the All Blacks, and that you see our players, our 232 00:12:38,227 --> 00:12:41,267 Speaker 3: team playing to the potential, and when they when they're 233 00:12:41,307 --> 00:12:45,507 Speaker 3: close to that, that's that's when that's when we know, 234 00:12:45,667 --> 00:12:49,387 Speaker 3: when we feel that we are a real chance of 235 00:12:48,867 --> 00:12:52,987 Speaker 3: of being able to hopefully lift a cup in about 236 00:12:52,987 --> 00:12:54,187 Speaker 3: fifteen eighteen months. 237 00:12:54,587 --> 00:12:57,627 Speaker 2: Congratulates Kevin on your part in this process and thank 238 00:12:57,707 --> 00:13:00,227 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us for a chat this afternoon. 239 00:13:00,307 --> 00:13:00,987 Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. 240 00:13:01,067 --> 00:13:02,387 Speaker 3: Thank you, point really appreciate it. 241 00:13:02,427 --> 00:13:04,347 Speaker 2: No, thank you, Kevin, Kevin mi Alamu. 242 00:13:04,427 --> 00:13:08,107 Speaker 1: There for more from weekends forward with Jason Fine. 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