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Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Habit Heath, tackling all

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Speaker 3: your ax and pains from sports and work. A special

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Speaker 3: bonus edition of Rugby Direct with two great guests that

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Speaker 3: we were lucky enough to have for an extended interview. Myself,

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Speaker 3: Elliott Smith and Liam Napier sat down with New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Rugby Chief Executive Mark Robinson and All Blacks head coach

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Speaker 3: Scott Robertson to discuss plenty of issues across the game

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Speaker 3: super rugby, the eligibility to make for the All Blacks,

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Speaker 3: looking back at twenty twenty four, the challenges New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Rugby faces, and to look ahead to twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of issues to discuss right across rugby. It was

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Speaker 3: great to have Mark Robinson and Scott Robertson join us

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Speaker 3: on the podcast. I began by asking about their relationship

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Speaker 3: which has gone all the way back to the nineteen

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Speaker 3: nineties and the early two thousands, when they played together

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Speaker 3: at the Crusaders to now as All Blacks head coach

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Speaker 3: and New Zealand Rugby chief executive.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we met probably like you say it in

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Speaker 4: the late nineties. Raised was already in christ Church from memory,

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Speaker 4: and I'd come home from England. I was studying over

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Speaker 4: there to Cannaby and the Crusaders, so we sort of

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Speaker 4: started knocking around back then. And my vivid memories of

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Speaker 4: Razor back then was obviously aside from a great player,

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Speaker 4: even back then, you know, he's a carrying a coaching

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Speaker 4: a playbook around, you know, he was highly engaged in

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Speaker 4: So it was no great surprise I guess as time

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Speaker 4: has eventuated that he's ended up where he has. Even

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Speaker 4: then he had a real key in the game and

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Speaker 4: the technical tactical side me less, So you know, I

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Speaker 4: was sort of more engaged at that time around things

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Speaker 4: that were happening around our environment and wider issues around

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Speaker 4: rugby and that sort of thing. But we said some

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Speaker 4: great memories, you know, obviously fortunately playing a really successful

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Speaker 4: and they probably for a few years where Rose was

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Speaker 4: reconnecting up for obvious reasons. So you know, did things

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Speaker 5: It's got any good tales and memories from the from

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Speaker 5: the playing days, pre season, on the field, off the field, let.

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Speaker 6: Stay on field. I think we just remember Robert was

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Speaker 6: a strict rugby player. You know, he knew the game.

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Speaker 6: He always kept us feeding the tackle, so you always

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Speaker 6: on him. So he said a huge He hasn't scored

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Speaker 6: we had it was a great times playing and now

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Speaker 6: you know, the opportunity for us to go back to

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Speaker 6: know we've quite wildly been around play love sas and

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Speaker 3: What have you made at the start to Super Rugby

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five show?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, how good. I think everyone's talking about anywhere you go,

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Speaker 6: But Super Rugby has been great to watch and enjoyed

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Speaker 6: it as from a coaching point of view, section point

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Speaker 7: You know, you really entertained early doors.

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Speaker 5: Obviously were four rounds in, but I think you had

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of things coming to fruition,

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Speaker 4: So that's that's one great thing. Clearly, the Australian teams

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Speaker 4: think combined we've seen the Commission be able to stand

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Speaker 4: there's been some real improvements there. I mean, how good's

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Speaker 4: fantasy you know, I'm I'm sure you guys are chipping away.

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Speaker 5: You raise, I hear you you're in the fantasy's who's

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Speaker 6: Look, we got an email about three days beforehand when

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're all you know, straight down the line and

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Speaker 3: So it's been really good for the competition though, discussions

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Speaker 6: I'll give you a high buy. And isn't it You

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Speaker 6: It's just another layer and engaging with people.

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Speaker 5: If we're gettingto some some hot topics, eligibility is a

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Speaker 5: big one. There's been an evolution over time. We all

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Speaker 7: There's the sabbatical options.

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Speaker 5: Where do you both sit currently about the eligibility stance

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we're really clear as an organization. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's been a big part of successive New Zealand Rugby

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Speaker 4: It's an area where there's always probably going to be

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Speaker 4: and then obviously in the last little while there's been

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Speaker 4: but at the moment we're pretty firm and supportive of it.

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Speaker 3: Raising you've long them obviously been your one of your

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I had a first a year, you know,

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Speaker 6: one of my jobs is to make sure that the

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Speaker 6: pathway stuff that we're doing. But look, look, I understand

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Speaker 6: an opportunity, you know, we zoomed and we talked through

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Speaker 6: You know? And once we'd listened and you know, he

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Speaker 6: we'll hear come back as a better player and ultimately

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Speaker 6: that's what we want out of this. And he's just

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Speaker 3: Do you see see more potentially of those sort of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, look at what's worked. You know, look if

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Speaker 6: the opportunity, they've been loyal, they've done their time. They

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Speaker 3: Because you look at South Africa obviously, and they can

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Speaker 6: bring the past, the prison and what import we want

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Speaker 6: to leave for now. Yeah, I got some goodbye and

434
00:21:47,853 --> 00:21:50,213
Speaker 6: the boys still talk about it and and you know,

435
00:21:50,333 --> 00:21:52,373
Speaker 6: just to learn the stories of what they went through

436
00:21:52,533 --> 00:21:53,653
Speaker 6: was a big part of.

437
00:21:55,413 --> 00:21:57,773
Speaker 7: How we tied it and got a couple up your

438
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Speaker 7: sleeve for this year.

439
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think just one a natural storyteller enjoy that

440
00:22:03,813 --> 00:22:08,053
Speaker 6: side of the game. Cannects put picture, puts, pictures, pictures

441
00:22:08,053 --> 00:22:11,173
Speaker 6: and peace head so they start seeing before they do

442
00:22:11,253 --> 00:22:13,013
Speaker 6: something what we're trying to achieve.

443
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Speaker 3: We'll look at twenty twenty five in a moment or two.

444
00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:18,093
Speaker 3: But Mark, I guess, where do you see New Zealand

445
00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:20,173
Speaker 3: rugby at at the moment? Is that obviously the any

446
00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:23,933
Speaker 3: of sug which is unplayed recent times is questions about

447
00:22:23,933 --> 00:22:26,053
Speaker 3: I guess, revenue streams and everything like that. So New

448
00:22:26,133 --> 00:22:27,973
Speaker 3: Zealand rugby is a head since twenty twenty five. You

449
00:22:27,973 --> 00:22:29,933
Speaker 3: mentioned in the big five years coming up, where do

450
00:22:29,933 --> 00:22:32,013
Speaker 3: you think the state of the game is in New Zealand.

451
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Speaker 4: Well, we're really optimistic about the future. We've been really

452
00:22:36,013 --> 00:22:39,533
Speaker 4: clear about that and already in this year, and we've

453
00:22:39,573 --> 00:22:41,533
Speaker 4: talked about Super Rugby already in some of the work

454
00:22:41,533 --> 00:22:44,213
Speaker 4: coming to Fruition that we've talked about. On the field,

455
00:22:44,253 --> 00:22:48,053
Speaker 4: we're seeing some amazing signals throughout the community game and

456
00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:52,413
Speaker 4: some constant initiative and leadership that we're playing into the

457
00:22:52,453 --> 00:22:54,533
Speaker 4: community space. We were kicking off some new initiatives at

458
00:22:54,533 --> 00:22:59,613
Speaker 4: the moment as it relates to you know, the business

459
00:22:59,653 --> 00:23:03,613
Speaker 4: of the sport. We still remain incredibly optimistic about the

460
00:23:03,613 --> 00:23:07,493
Speaker 4: strength of our organization and brands, and I think that's

461
00:23:07,493 --> 00:23:09,693
Speaker 4: probably one thing raised as we talks about what's being new.

462
00:23:09,773 --> 00:23:12,693
Speaker 4: It's the insights he's gotten to being offshore with the

463
00:23:12,733 --> 00:23:16,133
Speaker 4: team and seeing the connection that we have to different

464
00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,813
Speaker 4: organizations and fans around the world, and that really provides

465
00:23:19,853 --> 00:23:22,573
Speaker 4: the basis for us to continue to grow. So, you know,

466
00:23:22,613 --> 00:23:25,653
Speaker 4: you mentioned Anios. We've been really clear that we believe

467
00:23:27,133 --> 00:23:29,413
Speaker 4: in the position we have around that issue really strongly.

468
00:23:29,973 --> 00:23:33,973
Speaker 4: But at the same time, we are obviously having conversations

469
00:23:34,013 --> 00:23:39,133
Speaker 4: about other future partners or growing existing partnerships, and those

470
00:23:39,173 --> 00:23:41,893
Speaker 4: conversations are going well as well, so a lot there's

471
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,213
Speaker 4: certainly some work to do this year. We've been really

472
00:23:44,253 --> 00:23:46,693
Speaker 4: clear around that that we want to have a look

473
00:23:46,693 --> 00:23:48,413
Speaker 4: at the model, the overall model for the game and

474
00:23:48,453 --> 00:23:50,733
Speaker 4: the system in New Zealand. We've never had more revenue.

475
00:23:50,773 --> 00:23:52,333
Speaker 4: You know, we're well north of three hundred and fifty

476
00:23:52,373 --> 00:23:54,533
Speaker 4: million dollars per year in the game now, so we

477
00:23:54,613 --> 00:23:57,173
Speaker 4: believe that should form the basis for creating a model

478
00:23:57,173 --> 00:23:59,213
Speaker 4: where we can invest in all of the right areas,

479
00:24:00,453 --> 00:24:02,813
Speaker 4: be more aligned as a game, to recognize the purpose

480
00:24:02,853 --> 00:24:05,733
Speaker 4: of each stakeholder within the system, and create a model

481
00:24:05,733 --> 00:24:08,333
Speaker 4: that everyone can live with you in the near future,

482
00:24:10,573 --> 00:24:12,733
Speaker 4: or while we continue to build a business case for

483
00:24:12,773 --> 00:24:16,573
Speaker 4: growing revenue where we see on an everyday basis where

484
00:24:16,613 --> 00:24:18,573
Speaker 4: there is potential and really believe in it.

485
00:24:18,693 --> 00:24:22,173
Speaker 5: The broadcast negotiations are gouably the biggest ticket item in

486
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Speaker 5: the game.

487
00:24:23,933 --> 00:24:24,693
Speaker 7: How's that going?

488
00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:28,053
Speaker 5: And I guess specifically around the zone, did do you

489
00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:30,613
Speaker 5: see them as a as a genuine player? Do your

490
00:24:30,693 --> 00:24:33,653
Speaker 5: hope expect them to lodge and offer to create some

491
00:24:33,853 --> 00:24:34,933
Speaker 5: competitive tension there?

492
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, we can't talk about that. I'd say

493
00:24:41,333 --> 00:24:45,293
Speaker 8: what I said before. We we we really believe in

494
00:24:45,333 --> 00:24:47,613
Speaker 8: the product. We believe in the future calendar.

495
00:24:48,413 --> 00:24:51,373
Speaker 4: We believe having just got back from London where the

496
00:24:51,413 --> 00:24:54,533
Speaker 4: quality of the international game and the new competitions is going.

497
00:24:55,013 --> 00:24:58,173
Speaker 4: We believe there's more storytelling and star power and the

498
00:24:58,213 --> 00:25:02,013
Speaker 4: key personalities in the game, be they players, coaches, whatever

499
00:25:02,053 --> 00:25:04,653
Speaker 4: they may be, men's womens. You know, we just think

500
00:25:04,693 --> 00:25:08,493
Speaker 4: the future of the sport is really exciting and and

501
00:25:08,533 --> 00:25:10,133
Speaker 4: we think, you know, when you step back and you

502
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:13,173
Speaker 4: look at the history of our sport by comparison to others,

503
00:25:13,173 --> 00:25:16,613
Speaker 4: we're very very young on this journey of professionalism in

504
00:25:16,653 --> 00:25:20,253
Speaker 4: our sport and we're really living through the next iteration

505
00:25:20,293 --> 00:25:22,773
Speaker 4: of that right now. So you know, some of these

506
00:25:22,813 --> 00:25:25,653
Speaker 4: things take time, but it's clear the more time you

507
00:25:25,693 --> 00:25:27,493
Speaker 4: spend in some of those different environments. There's a lot

508
00:25:27,533 --> 00:25:28,773
Speaker 4: to be optimistic.

509
00:25:28,253 --> 00:25:30,773
Speaker 3: Around the Nation's Cup coming in next year. That's that ever

510
00:25:30,733 --> 00:25:32,773
Speaker 3: forgetting too is the Club World Cup, which is on

511
00:25:32,813 --> 00:25:34,973
Speaker 3: the horizon I think still to be signed off. But

512
00:25:35,813 --> 00:25:37,613
Speaker 3: is this the biggest change for rugby since it went

513
00:25:37,773 --> 00:25:40,453
Speaker 3: pro just all these new elements coming into.

514
00:25:40,213 --> 00:25:42,253
Speaker 4: The games in terms of calendar.

515
00:25:42,573 --> 00:25:43,173
Speaker 3: Daring, competition.

516
00:25:43,253 --> 00:25:46,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think we're really proud of

517
00:25:46,333 --> 00:25:48,173
Speaker 4: the work we've done in the space. We've played a

518
00:25:48,253 --> 00:25:52,573
Speaker 4: key leadership role in a lot of those competitions you mentioned,

519
00:25:52,573 --> 00:25:57,813
Speaker 4: you know, and that alongside the work we've done on

520
00:25:58,293 --> 00:26:01,853
Speaker 4: field product means that I think there's clear signals we're

521
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:04,173
Speaker 4: listening to the fans here. We know the players are

522
00:26:04,213 --> 00:26:07,773
Speaker 4: really excited about it. I think when Raiser thinks about,

523
00:26:07,853 --> 00:26:10,653
Speaker 4: you know, a long tour to South Africa, excitement and

524
00:26:10,693 --> 00:26:13,973
Speaker 4: then Jesus is new and different, a couple of deep

525
00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:14,773
Speaker 4: breaths that come in there.

526
00:26:14,813 --> 00:26:25,853
Speaker 3: But we've got a spreadsheets a hundred for a warm

527
00:26:25,933 --> 00:26:27,933
Speaker 3: up game leaning myself might be able to help her.

528
00:26:28,213 --> 00:26:29,973
Speaker 6: Okay, get your health checks.

529
00:26:31,413 --> 00:26:36,213
Speaker 4: So so yeah, I mean overall, we think it's as

530
00:26:36,213 --> 00:26:38,373
Speaker 4: I said earlier, this sort of culmination of a lot

531
00:26:38,373 --> 00:26:42,893
Speaker 4: of hard work coming together to mean there's really exciting future.

532
00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:45,693
Speaker 5: And edit of the game is just picking up on

533
00:26:45,693 --> 00:26:49,973
Speaker 5: something Mark said before about personalities in the game. You

534
00:26:49,973 --> 00:26:54,813
Speaker 5: know you're a character, you've got a personality. Has there

535
00:26:54,813 --> 00:26:59,573
Speaker 5: been an adjustment living in the bright spotlights? You know?

536
00:27:00,013 --> 00:27:02,333
Speaker 7: Have you had to adjust it all? Or do you

537
00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:04,213
Speaker 7: feel like you can be authentically you.

538
00:27:05,733 --> 00:27:08,733
Speaker 6: I look on as myself. I think it's Mom and

539
00:27:08,813 --> 00:27:11,373
Speaker 6: Dad taught me that growing up and always put on

540
00:27:11,413 --> 00:27:14,133
Speaker 6: me to make sure that you can be yourself. One

541
00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,733
Speaker 6: thing as being a public figure, you can get public feedback.

542
00:27:17,613 --> 00:27:21,293
Speaker 6: So and that's the great thing, Like you've actually got

543
00:27:21,333 --> 00:27:25,253
Speaker 6: to embrace it because if you've got you know, somebody

544
00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:30,933
Speaker 6: in the queue at the supermarket and you know she's

545
00:27:31,773 --> 00:27:35,533
Speaker 6: she's someone's grannies that someone's kids played and I watched them,

546
00:27:35,653 --> 00:27:39,093
Speaker 6: you know, and you should have picked them. And you

547
00:27:39,133 --> 00:27:42,573
Speaker 6: know everyone's a selector because they allowed to be. And

548
00:27:43,173 --> 00:27:45,213
Speaker 6: this is great and someone will give you a reas night.

549
00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:49,733
Speaker 6: But that's part of the role. And so now now

550
00:27:49,733 --> 00:27:51,853
Speaker 6: you're in the you're in the country figure or a

551
00:27:51,893 --> 00:27:54,853
Speaker 6: public figure. You just got to accept it and realize

552
00:27:54,853 --> 00:27:56,653
Speaker 6: that they care. You know, they are saying it because

553
00:27:56,653 --> 00:27:58,573
Speaker 6: they care about the game and they've got an opinion

554
00:27:58,613 --> 00:28:00,653
Speaker 6: and there are part of it. So that's a that's

555
00:28:00,653 --> 00:28:03,373
Speaker 6: a real honor. That's how I see it. But you know,

556
00:28:03,453 --> 00:28:09,933
Speaker 6: the everything you say or do, there's always as someone's

557
00:28:09,973 --> 00:28:12,493
Speaker 6: always got another angle on it. Like you genuinely want

558
00:28:12,533 --> 00:28:15,253
Speaker 6: to do something good intent, but you're doing it for

559
00:28:15,293 --> 00:28:17,893
Speaker 6: this reason, you know, And that's your guys job, isn't

560
00:28:17,933 --> 00:28:19,653
Speaker 6: it You guys to find an angle and dig a

561
00:28:19,653 --> 00:28:22,053
Speaker 6: hole in it and accept the that's part of the role.

562
00:28:23,053 --> 00:28:25,613
Speaker 5: Just on that theme, I guess in terms of personalities,

563
00:28:26,613 --> 00:28:29,333
Speaker 5: do you think Rugby could sell its personalities better? Because

564
00:28:29,853 --> 00:28:31,813
Speaker 5: it is I guess hard as well in a media

565
00:28:31,893 --> 00:28:35,533
Speaker 5: landscape where things can be skewed. But I guess if

566
00:28:35,573 --> 00:28:39,053
Speaker 5: you look at Global Sport America in particular, they project

567
00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:42,213
Speaker 5: and sell their athletes and their personalities really well.

568
00:28:43,653 --> 00:28:46,133
Speaker 4: Well. I think again, we're on a bit of an

569
00:28:46,133 --> 00:28:48,213
Speaker 4: evolution in the space, aren't we. And I think you'd

570
00:28:48,213 --> 00:28:50,133
Speaker 4: have to agree that over the last few years. We've

571
00:28:50,293 --> 00:28:54,853
Speaker 4: certainly been more open and accessible in a lot of

572
00:28:54,853 --> 00:28:58,893
Speaker 4: our environments, but there's a you know, there's a real

573
00:29:00,693 --> 00:29:02,733
Speaker 4: constant sort of tension in this space. In the New

574
00:29:02,853 --> 00:29:06,413
Speaker 4: Zealand Rugby and All Blacks and Black Ferns have always

575
00:29:06,413 --> 00:29:08,653
Speaker 4: been founded on team first and what's best the team,

576
00:29:08,653 --> 00:29:10,653
Speaker 4: what's speaks for the country, what's special for the organization,

577
00:29:11,213 --> 00:29:13,693
Speaker 4: and we're just seeing this evolution to the fact that players,

578
00:29:13,813 --> 00:29:15,773
Speaker 4: you know, they want to have voice, they and we

579
00:29:15,853 --> 00:29:19,173
Speaker 4: want to embrace that. The fact that you know, there

580
00:29:19,173 --> 00:29:23,533
Speaker 4: are issues, there are topics they want to maybe be

581
00:29:23,653 --> 00:29:25,613
Speaker 4: more open about, and we have to find a way

582
00:29:25,613 --> 00:29:27,853
Speaker 4: to embrace that and evolve as a sport so it

583
00:29:27,893 --> 00:29:30,973
Speaker 4: doesn't happen overnight. You know, we hear that feedback to

584
00:29:31,173 --> 00:29:33,213
Speaker 4: you know, the reference to the US sports and that

585
00:29:33,253 --> 00:29:36,253
Speaker 4: sort of thing, but that is professional sports, you know,

586
00:29:37,013 --> 00:29:39,813
Speaker 4: decades old are you know, probably centuries old in some

587
00:29:39,853 --> 00:29:43,573
Speaker 4: regards of professional sports. So we're sort of on a

588
00:29:43,613 --> 00:29:45,613
Speaker 4: path that we really believe in, but sometimes it just

589
00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:46,133
Speaker 4: takes time.

590
00:29:47,413 --> 00:29:48,733
Speaker 7: I was just going to bounce around.

591
00:29:48,973 --> 00:29:51,573
Speaker 5: But going back to the Rugby's greatest role, we talked

592
00:29:51,613 --> 00:29:56,413
Speaker 5: about South Africa. That's going to be a great, fantastic

593
00:29:56,413 --> 00:29:58,093
Speaker 5: tour that I think there's going to be four tests

594
00:29:58,133 --> 00:30:00,693
Speaker 5: and a bit of debate about where that fourth fourth

595
00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:02,253
Speaker 5: one is going to be. Are you going to give

596
00:30:02,333 --> 00:30:05,693
Speaker 5: us a Rugby Direct exclusive today and tell us whether

597
00:30:05,733 --> 00:30:07,373
Speaker 5: we're going to twicken them all the states for that

598
00:30:07,413 --> 00:30:07,893
Speaker 5: fourth test?

599
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:13,893
Speaker 4: Definitely would. Yeah, I know we're still working on it,

600
00:30:13,933 --> 00:30:18,333
Speaker 4: you know, and uh, look, we just sort of reiterate

601
00:30:18,413 --> 00:30:21,093
Speaker 4: just how excited we are about the concepts. So look

602
00:30:21,093 --> 00:30:23,893
Speaker 4: when we when we can share and announce more formally,

603
00:30:23,933 --> 00:30:25,853
Speaker 4: we we will. But the work's heading in the right direction.

604
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Speaker 2: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

605
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Speaker 6: Afore it's Rugby Direct Talk.

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Speaker 3: You're both in Europe recently for Shape of Game meetings

609
00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:52,973
Speaker 3: and seeing the six nations. What did you both glean

610
00:30:53,093 --> 00:30:55,493
Speaker 3: about the shape of the game globally and where it's

611
00:30:55,493 --> 00:30:56,333
Speaker 3: heading to at the moment?

612
00:30:57,933 --> 00:31:01,893
Speaker 6: Yeah, from a from a laws part of it point

613
00:31:01,933 --> 00:31:04,573
Speaker 6: of view was really it was really good just to

614
00:31:04,573 --> 00:31:07,453
Speaker 6: see how they run it it. Since your short version

615
00:31:07,573 --> 00:31:10,493
Speaker 6: is is not going to be too much variation, so

616
00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:14,413
Speaker 6: we can be consistent and certify what's been done so

617
00:31:14,453 --> 00:31:16,053
Speaker 6: we can get really good at it. It's good, good

618
00:31:16,093 --> 00:31:17,613
Speaker 6: for the public, good for the players, good for the

619
00:31:17,653 --> 00:31:20,373
Speaker 6: coaches and all stakeholders to make sure and the game

620
00:31:20,453 --> 00:31:24,053
Speaker 6: is in a good state, you know, all and play

621
00:31:24,173 --> 00:31:28,133
Speaker 6: creating that fatigue the games, rolling people more engaged. So

622
00:31:28,293 --> 00:31:31,213
Speaker 6: that side of it they've always you know, they covered

623
00:31:31,213 --> 00:31:37,133
Speaker 6: off the TMO, the foul play stuff, the innovations, the

624
00:31:37,213 --> 00:31:39,653
Speaker 6: processes and protocols that go on with that as well,

625
00:31:39,693 --> 00:31:41,773
Speaker 6: and probably the big thing was, you know, the working

626
00:31:41,813 --> 00:31:43,453
Speaker 6: part was a networking and it was a great chance

627
00:31:43,533 --> 00:31:47,173
Speaker 6: for sit down with Andy Farrell watch the England Scotland

628
00:31:47,213 --> 00:31:48,893
Speaker 6: game with him and he's obviously there with a selection

629
00:31:49,053 --> 00:31:52,253
Speaker 6: point of view, and so we're in the corner of

630
00:31:52,253 --> 00:31:54,813
Speaker 6: the essay. It was quite nice just to sit down

631
00:31:54,853 --> 00:31:56,973
Speaker 6: and spend a bit of time with him and understand,

632
00:31:57,173 --> 00:31:59,373
Speaker 6: you know, his approach to the to the Lions tour.

633
00:31:59,773 --> 00:32:01,413
Speaker 3: As we record this on the cusp of the Final

634
00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:03,973
Speaker 3: Six Nations weekend, what have you made of the competition

635
00:32:04,213 --> 00:32:06,373
Speaker 3: and seeing it up close, you know over the last

636
00:32:06,373 --> 00:32:07,013
Speaker 3: few weeks.

637
00:32:07,613 --> 00:32:09,853
Speaker 6: Oh, good for the you know, great ball and play,

638
00:32:11,213 --> 00:32:14,333
Speaker 6: a lot of tries off off float, the quality of

639
00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:17,413
Speaker 6: the kicking has been to be but just teams just

640
00:32:17,493 --> 00:32:23,253
Speaker 6: playing you know, tight matches, you know every anyone can

641
00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:24,933
Speaker 6: sort of win it for a long period of time.

642
00:32:24,973 --> 00:32:26,653
Speaker 6: And now it's coming down to the final weekend, so

643
00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:28,213
Speaker 6: it's everything in one out of a comp So yeah,

644
00:32:28,213 --> 00:32:29,013
Speaker 6: it's great quality.

645
00:32:29,573 --> 00:32:31,773
Speaker 7: Put you on the spot. Here's the world rugby rankings.

646
00:32:32,493 --> 00:32:36,853
Speaker 5: Can you give me your top five world rugby rankings

647
00:32:37,013 --> 00:32:38,053
Speaker 5: of test nations?

648
00:32:38,893 --> 00:32:39,933
Speaker 6: Can I say what they are?

649
00:32:40,053 --> 00:32:42,333
Speaker 7: Yeah? No, no, no, no, no your your version?

650
00:32:43,173 --> 00:32:48,533
Speaker 6: No you can't. There will be a headline. Someone's going

651
00:32:48,573 --> 00:32:50,893
Speaker 6: to be upset and the guy beside.

652
00:32:50,573 --> 00:32:58,253
Speaker 3: Me, Mark, what did you make about the shape of

653
00:32:58,293 --> 00:33:00,253
Speaker 3: the game and where it's from a global perspective?

654
00:33:01,213 --> 00:33:03,573
Speaker 4: I think Raiser has covered off really well that on

655
00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:09,373
Speaker 4: field component. So what i'd is just the way that's

656
00:33:09,373 --> 00:33:12,573
Speaker 4: feeding into the future of competitions and calendars, as I've

657
00:33:12,573 --> 00:33:16,373
Speaker 4: spoken about a few times already today. So look the

658
00:33:16,773 --> 00:33:18,933
Speaker 4: Nation's Cup, we took another step forward. There are a

659
00:33:18,973 --> 00:33:24,773
Speaker 4: number of meetings around that, and lock we're only July

660
00:33:24,853 --> 00:33:27,413
Speaker 4: next year, so we're only whatever it's thirteen or fourteen

661
00:33:27,413 --> 00:33:29,453
Speaker 4: months until we get into that now. So real momentum

662
00:33:29,493 --> 00:33:32,133
Speaker 4: starting to build around that so that was positive and

663
00:33:32,173 --> 00:33:36,253
Speaker 4: as Raisers also said, it's the networking. It's the opportunity

664
00:33:36,253 --> 00:33:39,733
Speaker 4: to be in the same proximity as leading coaches, leading

665
00:33:39,773 --> 00:33:43,853
Speaker 4: high performance people, commercial partners, other CEOs and a whole

666
00:33:43,933 --> 00:33:47,413
Speaker 4: range of different settings that really makes that time valuable.

667
00:33:47,533 --> 00:33:50,413
Speaker 4: And you know, we do spend a bit of time

668
00:33:50,413 --> 00:33:53,733
Speaker 4: offshore obviously, and people often ask questions about that. But

669
00:33:53,773 --> 00:33:56,653
Speaker 4: when you see around where the future of the sport

670
00:33:56,733 --> 00:33:59,693
Speaker 4: and been growing value in the sport is for a

671
00:33:59,733 --> 00:34:02,493
Speaker 4: you know, relatively tiny country like New Zealand, as isolated

672
00:34:02,493 --> 00:34:04,733
Speaker 4: as we are, we have to be having a presence

673
00:34:04,853 --> 00:34:07,373
Speaker 4: in some of those key markets and outside of the

674
00:34:07,453 --> 00:34:10,733
Speaker 4: UK and Europe, Asia and North America. With what's coming

675
00:34:10,773 --> 00:34:13,133
Speaker 4: up in the future around World Cups O there is

676
00:34:13,173 --> 00:34:15,373
Speaker 4: We've talked about so a lot of meetings talking about

677
00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:17,733
Speaker 4: the next five to ten years of the sport and

678
00:34:17,773 --> 00:34:20,813
Speaker 4: how we can play a leadership role in advocating opportunities

679
00:34:20,853 --> 00:34:24,773
Speaker 4: in those markets and by the same token, helping create

680
00:34:24,853 --> 00:34:27,613
Speaker 4: values so that ultimately we can invest back in the

681
00:34:27,613 --> 00:34:30,133
Speaker 4: game at all levels here and I think that's missed sometimes.

682
00:34:30,213 --> 00:34:33,413
Speaker 4: You know, people see either the all Blacks or myself

683
00:34:33,453 --> 00:34:35,933
Speaker 4: in different parts of the world. This is ultimately to

684
00:34:35,933 --> 00:34:38,653
Speaker 4: grow value, to invest to make sure New Zealand Rugby

685
00:34:38,653 --> 00:34:40,973
Speaker 4: stays strong and the game can be fostered at all levels.

686
00:34:40,973 --> 00:34:42,973
Speaker 4: That's all we're trying to achieve here, and so we

687
00:34:43,173 --> 00:34:45,133
Speaker 4: see us invest into you know, I was in Kai

688
00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:49,013
Speaker 4: Tai yesterday, great session with North and Rugby and they're

689
00:34:49,013 --> 00:34:51,453
Speaker 4: doing this amazing little development up and around one of

690
00:34:51,493 --> 00:34:54,573
Speaker 4: them grounds. There as a regional academy in that area.

691
00:34:54,893 --> 00:34:57,173
Speaker 4: That's only been possible because of the revenue growth we've

692
00:34:57,173 --> 00:34:59,093
Speaker 4: had in New Zealand rugby and the ability to invest

693
00:34:59,133 --> 00:35:02,413
Speaker 4: into some of those initiatives. And that's happening, believe it

694
00:35:02,493 --> 00:35:05,213
Speaker 4: or not. That's happening around a ranger, lots of little

695
00:35:05,213 --> 00:35:06,893
Speaker 4: different areas in the country at the moment, which is

696
00:35:06,933 --> 00:35:07,933
Speaker 4: really happening for US.

697
00:35:08,493 --> 00:35:10,173
Speaker 5: Scot If we look at HITS at twenty twenty five,

698
00:35:10,213 --> 00:35:13,973
Speaker 5: I guess your coaching team had a few changes last year.

699
00:35:14,013 --> 00:35:17,173
Speaker 5: How did how did they you know, learn and grow

700
00:35:17,213 --> 00:35:20,253
Speaker 5: and evolve and is that settled for this year going

701
00:35:20,293 --> 00:35:21,133
Speaker 5: to stay the same?

702
00:35:21,813 --> 00:35:26,413
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, it's a it's a group that were headed

703
00:35:26,533 --> 00:35:29,373
Speaker 6: end of the tour to probably just started implumt a

704
00:35:29,373 --> 00:35:31,733
Speaker 6: bit of a DNA how we wanted to play the

705
00:35:31,773 --> 00:35:35,893
Speaker 6: game and had the ball in their hands for long

706
00:35:35,893 --> 00:35:38,093
Speaker 6: periods of time and put a lot of pressure on teams.

707
00:35:39,453 --> 00:35:41,373
Speaker 6: So that will continue. You know, like I said, you

708
00:35:41,373 --> 00:35:42,773
Speaker 6: look at you look at the trends, you look at

709
00:35:42,813 --> 00:35:46,253
Speaker 6: how oppositions play. You look at the French because that's

710
00:35:46,293 --> 00:35:49,733
Speaker 6: who we're playing next, and you see the opportunities but

711
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:51,493
Speaker 6: also their threats. You know, they're going to bring a

712
00:35:51,533 --> 00:35:53,533
Speaker 6: hell of a team out. You know, Fabian Guilty has

713
00:35:53,533 --> 00:35:56,213
Speaker 6: been there seven years. He knows his way around the

714
00:35:56,293 --> 00:35:59,933
Speaker 6: rugby world. He's got a really good dep deep squad,

715
00:36:00,013 --> 00:36:02,653
Speaker 6: folly old players that all could play test football. There's

716
00:36:02,733 --> 00:36:06,893
Speaker 6: enough experience, enough cohesion, and you know, people say, oh

717
00:36:06,893 --> 00:36:08,653
Speaker 6: what sort of team they got to playing out. They're

718
00:36:08,653 --> 00:36:10,333
Speaker 6: going to bring out a good team, you know, and

719
00:36:11,013 --> 00:36:14,373
Speaker 6: that their season finishes one the final of the top

720
00:36:14,453 --> 00:36:16,253
Speaker 6: forty in finishes a week later because of the Olympics.

721
00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:20,573
Speaker 6: That's just the way the season's gone. And but they'll

722
00:36:20,573 --> 00:36:22,533
Speaker 6: bring them. You know, we expect them to bring out

723
00:36:22,573 --> 00:36:26,933
Speaker 6: the Intermax and Panos and whoever is in that final.

724
00:36:28,053 --> 00:36:30,173
Speaker 3: You cano come, you can because there's been talk about

725
00:36:30,173 --> 00:36:32,013
Speaker 3: obviously a B team, but you reckon the top players

726
00:36:32,053 --> 00:36:33,893
Speaker 3: will come down to yeah, yeah.

727
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:35,973
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think it's you have to have

728
00:36:36,013 --> 00:36:39,653
Speaker 6: that oncet, don't you otherwise? You know, you know, we

729
00:36:39,693 --> 00:36:43,893
Speaker 6: know we've last year. You never assume anything at Test footy.

730
00:36:44,053 --> 00:36:46,733
Speaker 6: You know, you're you're one card away, a couple of

731
00:36:46,733 --> 00:36:50,493
Speaker 6: penalties away from being in the corner, and then your

732
00:36:50,573 --> 00:36:55,413
Speaker 6: games change really quickly. And the quality and the depth,

733
00:36:55,493 --> 00:36:58,173
Speaker 6: especially in the French squad from the twenties that have

734
00:36:58,213 --> 00:37:00,293
Speaker 6: come through. So when what he's done in the last

735
00:37:00,373 --> 00:37:03,053
Speaker 6: couple of summers of their summer tours, you know, he's

736
00:37:03,093 --> 00:37:07,373
Speaker 6: taken a group of players they haven't been in their finals,

737
00:37:07,413 --> 00:37:10,493
Speaker 6: but they're playing now. You know, Bill Buddy and Yeah

738
00:37:10,573 --> 00:37:13,893
Speaker 6: and all those guys are coming through, you know, Jellybear,

739
00:37:13,973 --> 00:37:17,053
Speaker 6: all of them can step up. You look at the

740
00:37:17,053 --> 00:37:20,573
Speaker 6: department off and Luc who came on and wow. You know,

741
00:37:20,693 --> 00:37:23,573
Speaker 6: so the depth and quality is there is going to

742
00:37:23,613 --> 00:37:24,813
Speaker 6: be a hell of a Test series. You know, it's

743
00:37:24,813 --> 00:37:26,773
Speaker 6: the last time we'll get probably three games and one

744
00:37:26,973 --> 00:37:30,413
Speaker 6: one country, you know, a true, a true series in

745
00:37:30,413 --> 00:37:33,853
Speaker 6: that regard over the period of time. So we're expecting

746
00:37:33,893 --> 00:37:34,733
Speaker 6: the best of them.

747
00:37:35,613 --> 00:37:37,933
Speaker 3: Jordi will you you talk about him early. Is he

748
00:37:37,933 --> 00:37:39,493
Speaker 3: going to be available for that French series you look

749
00:37:39,573 --> 00:37:42,013
Speaker 3: to maybe get him back to New Zealand and restam.

750
00:37:42,173 --> 00:37:44,373
Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it depends how deep part of us was

751
00:37:44,493 --> 00:37:46,253
Speaker 6: him to be available for sure, that was part of

752
00:37:46,253 --> 00:37:48,453
Speaker 6: the deal. That's why it works so well and how

753
00:37:48,493 --> 00:37:50,573
Speaker 6: they've looked after him. Unfouse, We've got some really good

754
00:37:50,613 --> 00:37:54,973
Speaker 6: centers in Leinster and just the way it works with

755
00:37:55,133 --> 00:37:57,053
Speaker 6: their final for the u RC. You know here we

756
00:37:57,173 --> 00:37:58,413
Speaker 6: definitely come back and be available.

757
00:37:58,613 --> 00:38:01,173
Speaker 3: How do you balance I guess this cause is second.

758
00:38:01,173 --> 00:38:05,653
Speaker 3: You're obviously selecting on form versus reputational players that have

759
00:38:05,693 --> 00:38:07,733
Speaker 3: done the job for you previously in an all black stusey.

760
00:38:07,773 --> 00:38:09,653
Speaker 3: What's the balance that you look for as a coach?

761
00:38:11,453 --> 00:38:16,413
Speaker 6: A good question. Current form is important and look you

762
00:38:16,653 --> 00:38:19,053
Speaker 6: still know the class that there's going to be there,

763
00:38:19,093 --> 00:38:22,453
Speaker 6: and some guys step up at test footy consistently, doesn't

764
00:38:22,453 --> 00:38:25,453
Speaker 6: matter if they're playing here Japan, we'll come back from oversee.

765
00:38:25,733 --> 00:38:27,733
Speaker 6: They've just got the ability to step up really quickly.

766
00:38:27,773 --> 00:38:31,053
Speaker 6: But a little bit on foreign forming combinations. So look,

767
00:38:31,493 --> 00:38:33,133
Speaker 6: but as this she has come on, it's chucked up

768
00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:36,933
Speaker 6: some great young potentials and names and some some players

769
00:38:36,933 --> 00:38:38,933
Speaker 6: they have been around a while and that's good. That's

770
00:38:38,973 --> 00:38:41,733
Speaker 6: what we want, you know, around the ability to make

771
00:38:41,733 --> 00:38:44,093
Speaker 6: it as tough as we possibly can and be consistent

772
00:38:44,133 --> 00:38:48,853
Speaker 6: each week, and players are doing that. So it's a

773
00:38:48,853 --> 00:38:49,573
Speaker 6: balance of the two.

774
00:38:50,493 --> 00:38:51,973
Speaker 5: How much do you live in them now and how

775
00:38:52,053 --> 00:38:54,733
Speaker 5: much do you plan ahead when you you know, obviously

776
00:38:55,133 --> 00:38:58,613
Speaker 5: the World Cups big ticular item we talked about Richard

777
00:38:58,653 --> 00:39:01,173
Speaker 5: Wong about there's others like leicesterifying and Nook who's coming

778
00:39:01,173 --> 00:39:05,573
Speaker 5: home next year? So what's the balance between living in

779
00:39:05,613 --> 00:39:07,853
Speaker 5: the now and thinking where do I have to be

780
00:39:08,053 --> 00:39:10,413
Speaker 5: in twelve twenty four months time?

781
00:39:11,493 --> 00:39:14,693
Speaker 6: Yeah? Great, so you know your squad see if you

782
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:19,653
Speaker 6: look at twenty seven because you have to there's no

783
00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:24,293
Speaker 6: development time for me, one of the only teams really

784
00:39:24,333 --> 00:39:28,293
Speaker 6: that in World rugby that you know developments, you win

785
00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:31,413
Speaker 6: and develop and you know I learned that through the twenties.

786
00:39:31,653 --> 00:39:34,213
Speaker 6: You know, you don't develop them when that's so you

787
00:39:34,293 --> 00:39:36,013
Speaker 6: have to have the balance of the two and that's

788
00:39:36,053 --> 00:39:38,693
Speaker 6: a real art. There's a skill you know, giving guys opportunities,

789
00:39:38,693 --> 00:39:41,293
Speaker 6: but having to win the test match in front of you,

790
00:39:41,293 --> 00:39:43,893
Speaker 6: you know, the season last year there was a balance

791
00:39:43,893 --> 00:39:46,813
Speaker 6: of the of the two and we've had your ten

792
00:39:47,493 --> 00:39:49,493
Speaker 6: debutants this year. If you get four or five and

793
00:39:49,573 --> 00:39:52,773
Speaker 6: the next next two years, you start to slidify your group.

794
00:39:52,773 --> 00:39:55,533
Speaker 6: There's always bolted, there's always opportunities, there's always I want

795
00:39:55,573 --> 00:39:57,813
Speaker 6: to make that really clear, So don't shut any doors.

796
00:39:58,333 --> 00:40:01,853
Speaker 6: But then you build the cohesion and understanding and teams

797
00:40:01,853 --> 00:40:05,693
Speaker 6: that have to go through tough tours, tough tests and

798
00:40:06,573 --> 00:40:09,613
Speaker 6: build relationships and cohesion. They know how to win game

799
00:40:09,693 --> 00:40:13,693
Speaker 6: manage together. So then you start to still vide the

800
00:40:13,693 --> 00:40:14,573
Speaker 6: group at the back end.

801
00:40:14,973 --> 00:40:17,453
Speaker 5: Just in terms of that selection stopped me if I'm

802
00:40:17,653 --> 00:40:20,533
Speaker 5: wrong here, but how much does it evolve week to week?

803
00:40:20,573 --> 00:40:26,053
Speaker 5: Because my senses that the loss in Wellington to the

804
00:40:26,093 --> 00:40:28,693
Speaker 5: Pumas the following week at eden Park you may have

805
00:40:28,773 --> 00:40:32,773
Speaker 5: been given guys more opportunities had you not lost that test.

806
00:40:32,813 --> 00:40:35,933
Speaker 5: So is there is there that sort of swing in

807
00:40:35,973 --> 00:40:40,253
Speaker 5: a week? Results have a big factor in selection.

808
00:40:41,013 --> 00:40:46,093
Speaker 6: They can do they can do, you know, like that's

809
00:40:46,133 --> 00:40:48,613
Speaker 6: a prime example. I think you're you're right, there probably

810
00:40:48,653 --> 00:40:51,693
Speaker 6: would have been some more opportunities, but Eden Park so

811
00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:55,333
Speaker 6: dear to us it deserves the honoring of our best

812
00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:57,013
Speaker 6: test team for that for that week. And as I

813
00:40:57,053 --> 00:40:59,013
Speaker 6: said like Argentina were good, you know, and we had

814
00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:01,373
Speaker 6: you know, six bodies come back the next week two

815
00:41:01,453 --> 00:41:05,173
Speaker 6: which helped. So you know, you all of a sudden

816
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:08,853
Speaker 6: you get a bench, you know, and things. You get

817
00:41:08,853 --> 00:41:10,973
Speaker 6: a depth in your squad straight away, and you've got

818
00:41:11,013 --> 00:41:14,013
Speaker 6: to respect the team that you're playing in and also

819
00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:16,173
Speaker 6: the beautiful place of Eden Park.

820
00:41:16,213 --> 00:41:19,413
Speaker 3: You mentioned Eden Park September the sixth. Yeah, how much

821
00:41:19,453 --> 00:41:21,213
Speaker 3: you're looking forward to that test already? The spring Box

822
00:41:21,253 --> 00:41:21,773
Speaker 3: coming to town.

823
00:41:21,973 --> 00:41:24,613
Speaker 6: Yeah, a great opportunity. You know, it's on the line,

824
00:41:24,653 --> 00:41:26,493
Speaker 6: isn't it. Those are the ones you want to play

825
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:30,853
Speaker 6: in and those ones that get Rugby or every New

826
00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:34,973
Speaker 6: Zealanders so everyone excited about So, yeah, it's definitely on

827
00:41:35,013 --> 00:41:36,293
Speaker 6: their calendar. It's exciting.

828
00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:38,533
Speaker 3: We've seen the spring Box use a six to two

829
00:41:38,533 --> 00:41:41,253
Speaker 3: and a seven to one bench in France go with

830
00:41:41,293 --> 00:41:44,333
Speaker 3: it as well, seven to one. Any chance we see

831
00:41:44,333 --> 00:41:46,333
Speaker 3: the All Blacks go a seven to one bench at

832
00:41:46,333 --> 00:41:47,693
Speaker 3: some point under Scott Robertson.

833
00:41:48,013 --> 00:41:50,853
Speaker 6: Well, it's in the laws. So people say, you know,

834
00:41:50,893 --> 00:41:53,733
Speaker 6: the first thing you're clear is you know, is it right? Well,

835
00:41:53,893 --> 00:41:55,853
Speaker 6: that's right because in the laws you can do it.

836
00:41:56,853 --> 00:42:00,133
Speaker 6: And the way they play teams play, especially now, and

837
00:42:00,173 --> 00:42:03,253
Speaker 6: the fatigue that comes in the games affords the impacts

838
00:42:03,373 --> 00:42:07,573
Speaker 6: the context that they have so high, so they've got

839
00:42:07,573 --> 00:42:11,213
Speaker 6: the immediate effect on the game, especially after halftime. And

840
00:42:12,133 --> 00:42:15,133
Speaker 6: you know, when you can bring an initial loose forward

841
00:42:15,733 --> 00:42:18,053
Speaker 6: makes a massive difference to it. Yeah, so you look

842
00:42:18,093 --> 00:42:22,093
Speaker 6: at it. You know, we've considered it ourselves. We believe

843
00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:26,253
Speaker 6: that wasn't quite We went it was it quite week

844
00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:30,253
Speaker 6: for it. But look it's working and renovative and you've

845
00:42:30,293 --> 00:42:32,293
Speaker 6: you've got to you've got to keep it on that trend.

846
00:42:32,373 --> 00:42:36,413
Speaker 5: So it's deffie an option one smoky out there at

847
00:42:36,413 --> 00:42:43,693
Speaker 5: the moment for you both, Haylen Ponger. Any any sense

848
00:42:44,053 --> 00:42:47,213
Speaker 5: that he may come over and have a crack at

849
00:42:47,253 --> 00:42:48,893
Speaker 5: rugby in the next year or two.

850
00:42:49,373 --> 00:42:51,413
Speaker 4: Are you're hitting me there, mate, I'm not. I'm not

851
00:42:51,453 --> 00:42:54,373
Speaker 4: across seen maybe, but I haven't seen that.

852
00:42:55,653 --> 00:42:59,373
Speaker 6: Oh look, look obviously he's done it, you know, a

853
00:42:59,373 --> 00:43:02,373
Speaker 6: few years ago as well. He's obviously showed us tim

854
00:43:02,373 --> 00:43:03,893
Speaker 6: and interest. But if he comes to us, he will

855
00:43:03,933 --> 00:43:06,853
Speaker 6: have a conversation. You always do was keep the door open.

856
00:43:06,893 --> 00:43:09,893
Speaker 6: But he's a hell of a player, isn't he. If

857
00:43:09,893 --> 00:43:12,773
Speaker 6: he shows interest, you know, there could be a conversation

858
00:43:13,013 --> 00:43:13,813
Speaker 6: if he gets so that.

859
00:43:14,253 --> 00:43:18,053
Speaker 5: What about more broadly, I guess about the NRL converts

860
00:43:18,093 --> 00:43:18,933
Speaker 5: in rugby union.

861
00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:19,653
Speaker 7: We've seen.

862
00:43:21,133 --> 00:43:25,933
Speaker 5: Rogers, two of us, Shik, Joseph Suili, Sonny, but Williams

863
00:43:25,933 --> 00:43:29,133
Speaker 5: back in time. What what's your view about whether it

864
00:43:29,213 --> 00:43:33,893
Speaker 5: works and maybe how long a successful transition would take?

865
00:43:35,173 --> 00:43:40,213
Speaker 6: Yeah, good, good question. Traditionally, the backs or outside backs

866
00:43:40,213 --> 00:43:44,533
Speaker 6: that come over, you know, especially or even you look

867
00:43:44,613 --> 00:43:47,693
Speaker 6: back and you know the lotty to carry days, don't you.

868
00:43:47,693 --> 00:43:51,053
Speaker 6: You know Wendle Sailor Rogers, Yeah, Matt Rodgers and those

869
00:43:51,093 --> 00:43:53,373
Speaker 6: sorts of guys. You know, like they've got a role

870
00:43:53,573 --> 00:43:55,773
Speaker 6: defend the last or second to last on the wing.

871
00:43:55,853 --> 00:44:02,093
Speaker 6: So they've got crearly great ball carriers, good defenders, tacklers, sorry,

872
00:44:02,133 --> 00:44:05,013
Speaker 6: but the defensive stuff on the edge. That those are

873
00:44:05,013 --> 00:44:07,013
Speaker 6: the ones who made the transition. So you look at Sonny,

874
00:44:07,453 --> 00:44:12,173
Speaker 6: they're a great So everyone's different. Firstly, different skill sets.

875
00:44:12,173 --> 00:44:13,933
Speaker 6: Sunny when he came over, he was still in his

876
00:44:13,973 --> 00:44:18,813
Speaker 6: early twenties. He'd gone through Toulon, had a great period

877
00:44:18,893 --> 00:44:22,693
Speaker 6: of you know, he was mentored by Tana. He had

878
00:44:23,693 --> 00:44:26,213
Speaker 6: a period of time where he learned the game because

879
00:44:26,253 --> 00:44:28,573
Speaker 6: you go to learn the game if you've been out

880
00:44:28,573 --> 00:44:30,933
Speaker 6: for a period of time and then how long how

881
00:44:30,973 --> 00:44:33,093
Speaker 6: quickly can you transition? The great thing is for him

882
00:44:33,253 --> 00:44:36,053
Speaker 6: is because his long levers is a big man, he

883
00:44:36,053 --> 00:44:38,653
Speaker 6: could get his arms free, just carried hard, got his

884
00:44:38,693 --> 00:44:40,973
Speaker 6: shoulders through the line and had a good offload. So

885
00:44:41,533 --> 00:44:45,453
Speaker 6: he came to a great club and well coached with

886
00:44:45,533 --> 00:44:47,813
Speaker 6: Dave Rennie and the Chiefs, and all of a sudden

887
00:44:47,813 --> 00:44:53,133
Speaker 6: he was fast tracked. So everyone's going to be different

888
00:44:53,133 --> 00:44:56,173
Speaker 6: how quickly you come through, But probably the best ones

889
00:44:56,173 --> 00:44:59,533
Speaker 6: and the best transitions. I've got a multi skill set,

890
00:44:59,933 --> 00:45:03,173
Speaker 6: and you know it's up to them how quickly they transition.

891
00:45:03,973 --> 00:45:04,253
Speaker 7: JK.

892
00:45:04,813 --> 00:45:06,893
Speaker 5: Mark ellis they went the other ways. You think you

893
00:45:06,973 --> 00:45:10,853
Speaker 5: two could have hit a crack believed well, I did.

894
00:45:10,813 --> 00:45:12,333
Speaker 6: Play a little bit when I was going up and

895
00:45:12,733 --> 00:45:15,853
Speaker 6: had a couple offers along the way. You know, yeah, but.

896
00:45:15,973 --> 00:45:17,573
Speaker 7: It was her game calling.

897
00:45:17,693 --> 00:45:22,813
Speaker 6: Oh a lot of Britain go there, that's Jesus more

898
00:45:22,813 --> 00:45:26,813
Speaker 6: in trouble. But I think I think you know that

899
00:45:28,893 --> 00:45:30,333
Speaker 6: you look at their game and you learn a lot

900
00:45:30,373 --> 00:45:32,573
Speaker 6: of it. You know, Look, Rugby follows a lot of

901
00:45:32,613 --> 00:45:35,493
Speaker 6: the trends in league. You know, with the way they're defend.

902
00:45:36,373 --> 00:45:38,413
Speaker 6: They back in the day, they're shutting. Now they're coming

903
00:45:38,453 --> 00:45:41,533
Speaker 6: off and getting in passing lanes and league defense, speed,

904
00:45:41,573 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 6: leagues of texts. You spend a lot of time looking

905
00:45:43,413 --> 00:45:45,493
Speaker 6: at them, and you might and but our Game two

906
00:45:45,573 --> 00:45:47,893
Speaker 6: is so innovative and you know, a lot more kicking

907
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:51,373
Speaker 6: and stuff in it as well. But yeah, we can

908
00:45:51,413 --> 00:45:57,293
Speaker 6: learn off each other. But yeah, definitely definitely a back row.

909
00:45:57,493 --> 00:46:00,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, as we wrap this up, guys, final question for

910
00:46:00,253 --> 00:46:02,693
Speaker 3: both of you help for Raiser, what does success look

911
00:46:02,773 --> 00:46:04,253
Speaker 3: like for the All Blacks and twenty twenty five? And

912
00:46:04,293 --> 00:46:06,453
Speaker 3: for Mark Robinson what does it broad look like for

913
00:46:06,453 --> 00:46:09,933
Speaker 3: New Zealand rugby success in twenty two You decide between

914
00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:10,493
Speaker 3: yourselves so you.

915
00:46:11,173 --> 00:46:12,893
Speaker 4: Oh, look, I've spoken to a few of the things

916
00:46:12,973 --> 00:46:17,373
Speaker 4: through through the interview, Elliott, but we've got a big

917
00:46:17,373 --> 00:46:21,213
Speaker 4: focus this year on the opportunity to look at our model,

918
00:46:21,213 --> 00:46:24,093
Speaker 4: the overall model and system and sustainability of the game.

919
00:46:24,173 --> 00:46:26,253
Speaker 4: So we're looking forward to taking the opportunity to work

920
00:46:26,293 --> 00:46:30,413
Speaker 4: with stakeholders and partnering to grow that. That's really important

921
00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:33,733
Speaker 4: to us. Clearly on the field, you know, it's a

922
00:46:33,733 --> 00:46:35,733
Speaker 4: big year with the Black Ferns in terms of Rugby

923
00:46:35,773 --> 00:46:38,813
Speaker 4: World Cup twenty five, it's our pinnacle event this year.

924
00:46:38,853 --> 00:46:41,573
Speaker 4: And then we've just talked a bit or a lot

925
00:46:41,613 --> 00:46:43,653
Speaker 4: about the All Blacks this year and the opportunities they have.

926
00:46:43,733 --> 00:46:48,053
Speaker 4: It's just an incredible schedule domestically and internationally. You know,

927
00:46:48,053 --> 00:46:50,373
Speaker 4: we haven't touched on the Chicago game today, but you know,

928
00:46:50,893 --> 00:46:56,333
Speaker 4: selling that well in that market that quickly is phenomenal.

929
00:46:56,373 --> 00:47:00,773
Speaker 4: So there's there's lots of great opportunities on the field

930
00:47:00,773 --> 00:47:04,013
Speaker 4: with our teams and Blacks, and then at the community game,

931
00:47:04,053 --> 00:47:06,293
Speaker 4: as I said, we've got just loads of really good

932
00:47:06,733 --> 00:47:09,973
Speaker 4: innovation coming into that space. Excited about some really good signs.

933
00:47:09,973 --> 00:47:14,053
Speaker 4: In the last two years, we've had consecutive significant growth

934
00:47:14,093 --> 00:47:15,853
Speaker 4: in some areas of the game which are really positive

935
00:47:15,853 --> 00:47:18,653
Speaker 4: about as well. So so yeah, look, if you if

936
00:47:18,693 --> 00:47:23,093
Speaker 4: you're sort of if you chunk those areas up, there's

937
00:47:23,093 --> 00:47:25,693
Speaker 4: there's clearly winning it on the on the global stage,

938
00:47:26,613 --> 00:47:28,653
Speaker 4: there's community and what's dear to us here and growing

939
00:47:28,653 --> 00:47:31,133
Speaker 4: that and then's our model and part of that, I

940
00:47:31,173 --> 00:47:33,253
Speaker 4: guess the final point would be continuing to grow our

941
00:47:33,253 --> 00:47:36,493
Speaker 4: commercial reach and our digital reach, because that's that's the

942
00:47:36,493 --> 00:47:38,293
Speaker 4: basis for growing value in the game and being able

943
00:47:38,293 --> 00:47:40,613
Speaker 4: to reinvest back into it. So along the way there's

944
00:47:40,653 --> 00:47:42,373
Speaker 4: some real key measures and what we do there. So

945
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:46,173
Speaker 4: it's always heaps on guys, but we're you know, we're

946
00:47:46,173 --> 00:47:48,693
Speaker 4: equally passionate about our areas and what we're trying to

947
00:47:48,733 --> 00:47:49,853
Speaker 4: achieve and looking forward to the year.

948
00:47:50,053 --> 00:47:52,453
Speaker 6: Yeah, sere with the Black fans as well. They're a

949
00:47:52,453 --> 00:47:54,493
Speaker 6: bit to do with nun Bunting. One way of set

950
00:47:54,533 --> 00:47:57,773
Speaker 6: it up. Everyone's lined with another demon black from the coaches,

951
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:01,933
Speaker 6: so you know with Ubunting and Arabia, couple of them

952
00:48:01,973 --> 00:48:03,813
Speaker 6: so all the best you know, we watch from a

953
00:48:03,853 --> 00:48:07,213
Speaker 6: farm connecting. So how exciting is that we learn a

954
00:48:07,253 --> 00:48:10,173
Speaker 6: bit off them as well? You always do. Success for

955
00:48:10,253 --> 00:48:14,613
Speaker 6: us is actually keep creating, but finishing and executing, you know,

956
00:48:14,733 --> 00:48:18,613
Speaker 6: both sides of the ball. It's really critical and and

957
00:48:18,733 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 6: just you just keep temping ours you know, our DNA

958
00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:27,253
Speaker 6: on the game, keep being trusted, trusting ourselves and being

959
00:48:27,253 --> 00:48:29,493
Speaker 6: brave and playing some good footy and then we'll get results.

960
00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:31,053
Speaker 7: How important is it?

961
00:48:31,213 --> 00:48:36,133
Speaker 5: Just lastly that you do have the the faith and

962
00:48:36,173 --> 00:48:38,613
Speaker 5: trust and confidence to stick with what you want to

963
00:48:38,653 --> 00:48:39,133
Speaker 5: do and not.

964
00:48:40,093 --> 00:48:42,933
Speaker 7: Follow others or bowl to pressure or results.

965
00:48:42,933 --> 00:48:45,933
Speaker 5: But but if it doesn't work, you have the faith

966
00:48:45,973 --> 00:48:48,333
Speaker 5: to stick with what stylistically you want to do.

967
00:48:49,253 --> 00:48:51,373
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's the imbalance of it. You've still got to

968
00:48:51,373 --> 00:48:53,173
Speaker 6: have people that challenge your thoughts or on it, but

969
00:48:53,693 --> 00:48:55,093
Speaker 6: thoughts on it. But you're still got to go back

970
00:48:55,133 --> 00:48:58,373
Speaker 6: to your the identity piece to what am I going

971
00:48:58,453 --> 00:49:00,853
Speaker 6: to stand by here? What's really important to us? Make

972
00:49:00,853 --> 00:49:02,613
Speaker 6: sure you have metrics that keep on top of it,

973
00:49:02,653 --> 00:49:06,013
Speaker 6: and someone on your shoulders. Well, just keep reminding you

974
00:49:06,173 --> 00:49:08,173
Speaker 6: either doing a good job or you could do the

975
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Speaker 6: like you guys.

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Speaker 3: It's Scott Robertson. Thank you so Much's I on Rugby Direct.

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Speaker 3: It's been a great discussion. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys, appreciate its.

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Speaker 6: Rugby Direct.

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Speaker 3: How would buds talks b That was Mirke Robinson and

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Speaker 3: Scott Robertson joining us on Rugby Direct. Hope you enjoyed

982
00:49:31,333 --> 00:49:34,013
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983
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Speaker 3: some of the issues around New Zealand rugby. Hopefully it

984
00:49:37,253 --> 00:49:41,973
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