1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: The government has backtracked and decided not to roll back 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,119 Speaker 1: the new insulation standards that were introduced last year. Construction 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Minister Chris Penk has announced a review of the H 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: one standards after this is an insulation the H one 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: standards after reports came out that told them that it 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: may building a new house cost forty to fifty thousand 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: dollars more, there was backlash from the industry. The ministry 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: is now going to go back to the standards and 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: just make some slight changes to them and trying to 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: get everybody on board. Minister for Building and Construction Chris 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: Penk joins me, Now, hello, Chris, and how are you good. 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: It's going to be tough to actually to fight these 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: regulations they seem ingrained. 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think the point is that we need a 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: sensible level of regulation. Usually that means we need less 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: red tape and green tape, but actually there are ways 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: that we can be sensible about the way that we 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: have people meet the requirements that actually can reduce costs 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: but also end ut with that good result of a 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: sensible level of insulation. And so I think we're going 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: to end up in a good space on this. 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: So when you came along to the insulation industry and said, look, 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: this is crazy, we need to rationalize this. What did 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: they say. 25 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: Back to you, Well, I mean there are a number 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: of different views out there. I mean, certainly for people 27 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: who sell insulation for a living, obviously they had a 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: particular view and sold the advocates, who you know, for 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: all the right reasons, end with good intentions, always advocate 30 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: for more insulation, not less as a mandated requirement, but 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: certainly for homeowners who are feed up with paying massively 32 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: increasing construction costs and those who are not homeowners that 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: would like to be and facing those Thereas you know, 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: there was a interviews of taking those all into account 35 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: and as I say, I think if we can, you know, 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: make everyone happy by having a good standard but ensuring 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: that to be meet in a way that more flexiboord 38 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: them have got currently, then everyone will be happy. 39 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: That's the word flexible. And I believe your attitude is 40 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: let's look at the entire building, let's look at the 41 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: whole thing rather than worrying about each individual component. 42 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right, and to be fair, the rules 43 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: do currently allow for that. And there's a modeling method 44 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: which is pretty much worts down, but you can model 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: what the missions are going to be and the us 46 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: the efficiency is going to be taking the building as 47 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: a whole. And then you've got a calculation method which 48 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: is similar but a bit more basic. But the thing 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: that we're getting or looking to get wrong, and I 50 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: should emphasize actually the public consultation now, but certainly I'm 51 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: interested in getting rid of a suital method, which is 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: a really proscriptive approach where the roof in the wolves 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: in the four all has to have a minimum level 54 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: of insulation and it sort of locks in and having 55 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: you know, probably as a result that that's more than 56 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: is required in each of those components in the thought overall. 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: And of course what that does is pushing up the 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: cost a lot. And it's before you get into, you know, 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: some of the concerns about lack of the equation. 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: But it's going to be a tough war. Did you 61 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: see the Richard Prebble noted in a recent column that 62 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: there's two and three hundred pages of new regulations enacted 63 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: in the last financial year end of June thirtieth, and 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: you were there. David Seymour has got a red tape 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: ministry they found out the other day that there's too 66 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: much red tape in their own red tape ministry. This, 67 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: this is a this is a this is a huge 68 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: problem for you to try and stamp out. It's like 69 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: I say, it's ingrained in our psyche. Regulate, regulate, regulate, regulate. 70 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah it is, You're you're absolutely right. It is ingrained 71 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: a little bit in the psyche, certainly in the Wellington 72 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: where I've headed now. And and you know, the danger 73 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: is that we overregulate. Was the best of intention then 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: a little bit extra here, a little bit extra there. 75 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: You know, people say to me, oh, Chris, it's only 76 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: an extra fifteen funeral two thousand dollars on top of 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: the house price for over you but the editor up 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: and it does become significant. 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: How do you eat an elephant, Chris? How do you 80 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: eat an elephant? One bite at a time? And I 81 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: understand that, and I thank you so much for your time. 82 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: That is Chris Pink. 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