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Speaker 1: Why if you get into the US next year for

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Speaker 1: a holiday, you might have to give border officials the

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Speaker 1: your social media details first. So the Americans, the White

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Speaker 1: House wants people from visa waiver countries like ours to

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Speaker 1: disclose five years of social media history. This is part

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Speaker 1: of getting your stra application. So it's just tourism. You're

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Speaker 1: not moving there, it's tourism. Brian Hunt is a US

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Speaker 1: immigration lawyer formerly with Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: Brian, Hello, good day, Ryan, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Do they want in terms of what they want from

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Speaker 1: my social media account? Will they want passwords or is

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Speaker 1: this all just public page information?

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Speaker 2: Well, what they're asking for is disclosure of the identifiers

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Speaker 2: for social media, and it doesn't go into the kind

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Speaker 2: of detail to say whether there or looking for anything

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Speaker 2: anything that has passwords. But if we look at what's

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Speaker 2: been happening with social media at other US agencies, for example,

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Speaker 2: when students are applying for a student visa to come

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Speaker 2: to the United States, they're requiring disclosure of the social

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Speaker 2: media identifiers and that they make those accounts public so

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Speaker 2: they can go look at them if they choose to.

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Speaker 1: So if my account right now, like an Instagram account

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Speaker 1: or a TikTok account is private, they might ask that

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Speaker 1: it's made public so that they can search it.

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Speaker 2: That's what I expect, and the reason the reason I

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Speaker 2: don't know the details is just to clarify. This is

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Speaker 2: a notice of an intent to collect this information. So

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Speaker 2: under US law, federal agencies that they have forms, and

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Speaker 2: this est program is considered a form for purposes of

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Speaker 2: this law. But anytime an agency makes changes to a form,

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Speaker 2: they have to provide a notice and an ability for

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Speaker 2: anyone who wants to send in comments. So what published

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Speaker 2: today was their intent to within in sixty days or

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Speaker 2: more to begin this collection.

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Speaker 1: Brian, what do they look at? What are they looking for? Specifically?

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Speaker 1: I love isis or something?

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Speaker 2: Presumably well, And this is another situation where we can

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Speaker 2: kind of look at the clues to predict what what

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Speaker 2: they're looking for. But what this announcement actually says is

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Speaker 2: simply that they're adding social media is a mandatory data

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Speaker 2: element on the collection. Now it does say in order

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Speaker 2: to comply with Executive Order one for one sixty one.

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Speaker 2: And we know that there's two other agencies here, the

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Speaker 2: State Department and the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, who

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Speaker 2: are also implementing that same executive order and asking for

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Speaker 2: social media and they have given more details, so I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, at least I'm assuming they're going to follow

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Speaker 2: what the other agencies are doing when they collected more

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Speaker 2: social media information and it's under that same executive order, Bryant,

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Speaker 2: and what that go ahead.

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Speaker 1: No, I just want to know, from your perspective, generally

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Speaker 1: to people in New Zealand who might be thinking of

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Speaker 1: going to America, is it a dumb idea to write

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Speaker 1: negative things about Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be. I really don't expect that's going to

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Speaker 2: be an issue. What they say they're looking for is

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Speaker 2: what the other agencies have said they're looking for is

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Speaker 2: anti Semitic. They talk about saying anti Semitic things on

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Speaker 2: social media in the same language they use the word

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Speaker 2: extremists and terrorists. So I think they're looking for pretty

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Speaker 2: extreme language when it comes to anti Semitism. And then

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Speaker 2: they also said they're vetting for anti American activity. But

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Speaker 2: if we look at what they're looking for with anti

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Speaker 2: semitism again, I think they're looking for some pretty pretty

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Speaker 2: extreme kind of statements that involve terrorism or violence.

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Speaker 1: All right, and so good to know, Brian. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time tonight. Thank you. Brian hut He's US

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Speaker 1: immigration lawyer formerly with Homeland Security. For more from Hither

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