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Speaker 2: Hello, are you great? New Zealand's Welcome to the Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Afternoons podcast. Huge epic show today and look

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Speaker 2: if you make it to the very end, which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you will. Yeah, the official list of the top

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Speaker 2: five best in New Zealand safety videos. I've ran and

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Speaker 2: rave about how much I hate them, but I only

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Speaker 2: hate the recent ones. I hate the Eighth Wonder of

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Speaker 2: the World one. It's cringe.

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Speaker 3: You used to be positive now that I have greatest

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand safety videos of all time.

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Speaker 2: I love in New Zealand and I always fly in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, but their safety videos are killing me at

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Speaker 2: the moment.

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Speaker 3: It was a great list, one of the best lists

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Next year, I could be so bold.

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Speaker 2: Got a bit emotional. At one o'clock.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about how do we get couples to

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Speaker 3: make more babies?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it got deep. It went deep. You

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Speaker 2: shared your personal current struggles in the hopes of having

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Speaker 2: we got some fantastic calls on that.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful story is there and the ACC chats and this

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Speaker 3: is the Accident Compensation Corporation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I put a full throated hope that New

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Speaker 2: Zealand can become less risk adverse and put our safety

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Speaker 2: concerns behind us. And just because ACC's had a massive

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Speaker 2: blowout doesn't mean that people need to pack up and

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Speaker 2: go home and sit on the couch. I think that

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Speaker 2: people going out and doing risky things is important for

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Speaker 2: a country, especially with isolation and such being a real problem.

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Speaker 2: In community being such an important thing.

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Speaker 3: You made a great case that we are we should

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Speaker 3: be risk takers in New Zealand, where innovators, you know why,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's why the ACC is a good thing.

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Speaker 2: They need to be you know, they need to be efficient,

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Speaker 2: and they need to not have not have blowouts, and

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Speaker 2: they need to look after their core principles what they

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Speaker 2: to do, which is patching people up when they break

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Speaker 2: their arm, when they fall off the trampoline. All right.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that blew my mind actually was we

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Speaker 3: found out Mike Hoskin, he's fifty nine years old, never

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Speaker 2: And then we found out that he's had one ninety

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Speaker 2: dollars acc payer or was that a plate accident? Was

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Speaker 2: it shoulder injury? So it's a great show. And as

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Speaker 2: I said before, well boy, what a great unofficial list

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Speaker 2: at the end of the show, well worth listening all

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Speaker 2: the way through together around those of the New Zealand safety.

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Speaker 3: And don't fast forward because you're going to miss some

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Speaker 3: gold say you know, just just persevere because it's with

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Speaker 3: you will I'm telling.

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Speaker 2: Them all right then AKA, then all right, let's start

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Speaker 2: the Let's start the bloody show, all right.

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Speaker 1: Then talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heathan Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four News Talk Zimby.

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Speaker 2: Well good a, welcome into the show.

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Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler with you until four pm. Hope you're

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Speaker 3: doing well wherever you're listening in the country, Maddie.

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Speaker 2: Big birthday in your household yesterday, Yeah, outside of my

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Speaker 2: household as well. So my my son, my eldest son,

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Speaker 2: and he got a bit flustered and missed it all up.

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Speaker 2: That probably probably because I was taking pictures of them

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Speaker 2: when he did it, because it was a monumental moment moment.

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Speaker 2: He went up, ordered the drinks and then just went

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Speaker 2: was a very proud moment for me until until my

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Speaker 2: younger son said, classic New Zealand parents, creating another generation

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Speaker 3: You know, did he like the wheat beer in the end?

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Speaker 2: No he didn't. Okay, well he did not. All made

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Speaker 3: That's great learn he will learn to the show today

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock in New Zealand versus Jet Star, so

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Speaker 3: a great story in the hero. Grant Bradley has written

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Speaker 3: You're thinking in New Zealand by a long shot. No,

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Speaker 3: So when we think about Jetstar, I mean ten years ago,

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Speaker 2: If you had to be there on time you win.

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's the discussion after three o'clock, after two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, acc has had our seven point two billion dollar blowout.

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Speaker 2: So it does a country need to take risks to

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Speaker 3: That's after two o'clock, But right now, let's have a

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Speaker 2: One point five to six, so we're just a little

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Speaker 3: That keeps a carbon neutral as well.

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Speaker 3: Australian National University demographer Liz Allen, she said, I quote,

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Speaker 2: And population collapse isn't a good thing. It's terribly not.

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Speaker 2: if we agree that population collapse is happening and that

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Speaker 3: I firmly believe we should be. And I know that

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Speaker 2: And Putin is going hard on in Japan with huge

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Speaker 5: Said, be.

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Speaker 3: News Talks theb We're talking about the drop in fertility

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Speaker 2: We have less new ideas coming through, less people look

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a real rural urban thing as well. When

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Speaker 3: And the numbers, the numbers back up on that just quickly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I think the kids are getting smart now

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Speaker 2: To replace yourself. The Greg, you need two point one,

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Speaker 7: Yeah? But where does that money come from?

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Speaker 7: That's what Japan's doing in Japan's get to GDP rat

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Speaker 7: He was in the men's eight.

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Speaker 2: Can take you can take. You can take some of that, Greg,

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Speaker 2: What do we do? It is twenty three past one.

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Speaker 10: So if we could all stop falling over that's good.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five past one. Again, we're talking about our population

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Speaker 3: And it's a nerve wracking time for women. I just

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Speaker 3: When we started this and thought, yep, I'm ready to

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well, I'm be so luck with that, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty. If you've just

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Speaker 12: Yeah, good god? They Yeah, I'm sorry to top your

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Speaker 12: It's got something to do with society. So if you

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Speaker 2: And I have Yeah, but.

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Speaker 12: there's not even an argument. When people live in a

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Speaker 12: If they can't, they won't.

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Speaker 2: and look, I've seen some of the houses in Hong

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Speaker 2: Kong's hat a very low birth rate. But I've seen

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Speaker 2: pictures of families growing up in very very small houses,

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Speaker 2: people living in the same rooms, and that has its

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Speaker 2: that's terrible problems as well health healthwise. But if if

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Speaker 2: you you don't have to own a house to have kids,

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Speaker 2: that the idea that you have to work and work

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Speaker 2: and work until your own house. We didn't own a

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Speaker 2: house when we had our kids. We had we had

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Speaker 2: two kids before we owned a house.

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Speaker 3: But it is part of the equation, though, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: And I know one personal situation. It is part of

449
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Speaker 3: May's family and they had bought an apartment in Melbourne

450
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Speaker 3: and that was perfect for them when it was just

451
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Speaker 3: then those two and a dog. Then child one came along,

452
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Speaker 3: still okay, then they wanted to have another child and

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Speaker 3: they quickly realized that this is not a good environment

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Speaker 3: to raise two children in too small and they needed

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Speaker 3: something else they couldn't afford to buy. But now they

456
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Speaker 3: are in a bigger property with a backyard and all

457
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Speaker 3: those things that we kind of want when you're thinking

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Speaker 3: about raising a child.

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Speaker 2: But I suppose, to Jason's.

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Speaker 3: Point, it is part of the equation why young professionals

461
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Speaker 3: primarily are not having babies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when I was a kid, I shared a

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Speaker 2: bedroom with two other siblings for a while. We had

464
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Speaker 2: three in a row. It was a good time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: jumping up on the beds. I loved it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had one hundred and eighty ten and eighty love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you on this one.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty nine bas one, jus talk said.

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Speaker 15: The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about low birth rates in New Zealand and

490
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Speaker 2: how that could lead to population collapse, which we I

491
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Speaker 2: think all of agree would be a bad idea. I mean,

492
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Speaker 2: we have kind of been told some people see humans

493
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Speaker 2: as a cancer on the planet and that will be

494
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Speaker 2: better without us, and so the animals can walk around

495
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Speaker 2: and not appreciate sunsets and stuff. But I think more

496
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Speaker 2: humans are better because I like hanging out with humans. Yeah,

497
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Speaker 2: humans are pretty much favorite. All my favorite people are humans,

498
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Speaker 2: except for my dog Colin. But I want to push

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Speaker 2: back that you need a lot of money and a

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Speaker 2: house to have kids, because we didn't have a lot

501
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Speaker 2: of money, and my parents didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 2: money when they had kids and they found a way through.

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Speaker 2: I know it's very, very, very hard. So if you've

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Speaker 2: had young kids been through the struggle, how did you

505
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Speaker 2: do it? Are you pleased you did? Was the loss

506
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Speaker 2: of material wealth worth it? Yeah, it's an interesting point.

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Speaker 2: We'll get back to the calls shortly.

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Speaker 3: But the anxiety that primarily professional couples, not just professional couples,

509
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Speaker 3: but it is it's a real thing in my circle

510
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Speaker 3: of friends that there is anxiety. Might overplay it a

511
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Speaker 3: little bit, be a little bit dramatic, but there's certainly

512
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Speaker 3: hesitation to have more children because they think it is

513
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Speaker 3: going to be too expensive or they're not on financial

514
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Speaker 3: footing to do it properly, because they want to know

515
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Speaker 3: once that baby comes into this world, they will have

516
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Speaker 3: all the resources they need to be good parents. You

517
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Speaker 3: think that maybe that anxiety is a bit too much,

518
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Speaker 3: that it's not quite to that level. Once that baby

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Speaker 3: comes into the world, you will figure it out, no

520
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Speaker 3: matter what stage at life you're in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean things get your priorities change massively. And look,

522
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Speaker 2: if you can you can feed them, and you can

523
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Speaker 2: you can house them, even if it's in a rental house.

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Speaker 2: Then love goes a long way to making sure that

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Speaker 2: you bring up a good child. That's probably a more

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Speaker 2: important factor than anything. Yeah, he really can.

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Speaker 3: You get the female perspective on this as well, if

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Speaker 3: you've recently had a child or looking to have a child,

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Speaker 3: but you are feeling a bit apprehensive because of where

530
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Speaker 3: things are at in the world at the moment. Oh

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This text from Casey is, Hello, guys,

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Speaker 3: I know a number of women who would love to

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Speaker 3: have a child, children but can't find a partner to

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Speaker 3: do so.

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Speaker 13: So.

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Speaker 3: Lank of available men is also a problem. There are

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Speaker 3: many reasons for lack of available men are just one

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Speaker 3: side of the equation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and social isolation is becoming a big thing. A

540
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Speaker 2: lot of people a lot of young people are growing up.

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Speaker 2: They're there, they're online, they're socializing with social media instead

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Speaker 2: of meeting each other. They're becoming isolated. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just it's quite a lot to meet someone, to

544
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Speaker 2: put yourself out there and go up and say he

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Speaker 2: loo to someone and meet them. Yeah, that's a lot

546
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Speaker 2: for people that have spend a lot of time online.

547
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Speaker 2: And when back in the day you just had to

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Speaker 2: I mean generally speaking, he had about six beers before

549
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Speaker 2: you went up and said a lower at the club.

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Speaker 3: But I'm glad I didn't have to play the Tinder game.

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Speaker 3: That seems pretty tough. Yeah, the old modern dating amy.

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Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon, I'm good.

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Speaker 14: I'm good.

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Speaker 16: So I am, I guess a professor, working professional couple.

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Speaker 16: We had We have two children, a four year old

556
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Speaker 16: and a three year old. Both of our children were lockdown,

557
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Speaker 16: so we had our children during twenty twenty lockdown and

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Speaker 16: the twenty twenty one lockdown. Well, but I mean, I

559
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Speaker 16: do agree, it's not so much a money thing. I mean,

560
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Speaker 16: we decided to with enough for us. Unfortunately, I get

561
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Speaker 16: very sick when I am impregnant. But it's not just

562
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Speaker 16: the financial it's the emotional need that our children have,

563
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Speaker 16: and that as adults we want to commit to giving

564
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Speaker 16: our kids not just material things, but to their emotional

565
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Speaker 16: well being. And it requires a lot of energy. So

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Speaker 16: how can we do that if we don't have the energy,

567
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Speaker 16: if we don't have the time. Our lives are really

568
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Speaker 16: busy now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they are, and we kind of put a lot

570
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Speaker 2: on parents. Now parents are way more involved in their kids' life.

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Speaker 2: I think I was brought up reasonably free range, but

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Speaker 2: my parents love me, and I love my parents, and

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Speaker 2: I never felt like I wasn't love. But now there's

574
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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure to be the greatest parent in

575
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Speaker 2: the world and be across absolutely everything with your kids.

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Speaker 16: There's a lot of social pressure. I mean, we we

577
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Speaker 16: noticed that we get looked at, particularly older generation, and

578
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Speaker 16: my sister in law will say the same thing when

579
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Speaker 16: our kids are like acting up and public, and that's

580
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Speaker 16: what kids do, and we get people staring at us

581
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Speaker 16: instead of offering help support. When we traveled over to Samoa,

582
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Speaker 16: we were shocked at how little people cared that we

583
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Speaker 16: had kids that were really you know, we were in

584
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Speaker 16: line waiting at customs and weren't just stared at us like, well,

585
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Speaker 16: we can't do anything. Our kid's been waiting just as

586
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Speaker 16: long as you. You are adults, you're tired. So like,

587
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Speaker 16: it just doesn't feel like society is accommodating for you, know,

588
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Speaker 16: you and your kids and your family. They want you

589
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Speaker 16: to have more kids, have more kids, but you deal

590
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Speaker 16: with it. It's your problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was wanting to get on a

592
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Speaker 2: plane the other day and there was these three this

593
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Speaker 2: this family, and they had three little kids running around,

594
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Speaker 2: and they were just apologizing and apologizing for what their

595
00:28:04,893 --> 00:28:09,213
Speaker 2: kids were up to, writing on suitcases and and it

596
00:28:09,253 --> 00:28:12,813
Speaker 2: was bringing me so much joy because I love kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think they're funny, and I was no need to apologize.

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Speaker 2: You know, kids. I believe children are futuristic. Well yeah,

599
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Speaker 2: we need the running around, the little humans. We were

600
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Speaker 2: all little humans once.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, and just as the female. I mean, it's exhausting

602
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Speaker 16: a lot you've not got You've got to work. So

603
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Speaker 16: I work full time, yeah, well part time. I work

604
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Speaker 16: part time. I look after my kids. I manage our household.

605
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Speaker 16: And it's not just about the kids going to daycare.

606
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Speaker 16: You constantly feel like, oh, I should be the one

607
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Speaker 16: raising my kids. But I can't because I have to

608
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Speaker 16: work to you know, pay my mortgage or pay my bills.

609
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Speaker 16: We did one income, so when my kids were born,

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Speaker 16: I was a stay at home parents for the first

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Speaker 16: three years of my son and then the first two

612
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Speaker 16: years of my daughter, and we lived off one income.

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Speaker 16: And it was hard. And it's not just about the

614
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Speaker 16: material things like the financial stress. And obviously this was

615
00:29:05,693 --> 00:29:08,373
Speaker 16: in COVID times as well, but for my husband to

616
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Speaker 16: me be thinking what if I lose my job?

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Speaker 13: What if I lose my job?

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Speaker 3: Was that a big decision for the second child or

619
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Speaker 3: was it a big decision for both of your children?

620
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Speaker 16: For our For our first child, we were financially ready,

621
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Speaker 16: this is what we wanted. It took us a little

622
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Speaker 16: bit longer to get our first child than we had sought.

623
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Speaker 16: Similar to you, we went through fertility associates and they

624
00:29:28,773 --> 00:29:33,333
Speaker 16: were amazing. And then when our second one was a surprise,

625
00:29:33,453 --> 00:29:36,013
Speaker 16: we were going to wait another year because I wanted

626
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Speaker 16: to go back to work so that I could then

627
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Speaker 16: get the paid maternity leave. So I had one year

628
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Speaker 16: off and I got six months paid maternity and then

629
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Speaker 16: six months nothing, and then I wanted to go back

630
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Speaker 16: to work for another six months and then so I

631
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Speaker 16: could get the paid maternity again. But our daughter had

632
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Speaker 16: other plans and she came foner than we thought. So

633
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Speaker 16: I did three years, where only six months of that

634
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Speaker 16: was paid maternity. The rest of that was just my

635
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Speaker 16: husband's job.

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Speaker 3: What a beautiful surprise though, Amy.

637
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Speaker 16: Oh, it was a great surprise, so our pride and joy.

638
00:30:09,453 --> 00:30:14,253
Speaker 2: But you know, this may say and glib coming from

639
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Speaker 2: me as a male who didn't have to go through

640
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Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff, But I feel like the

641
00:30:19,493 --> 00:30:22,093
Speaker 2: struggle was so worth it. Do you do feel that,

642
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Speaker 2: even though there's the huge struggle that it is, that

643
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Speaker 2: it is worth it.

644
00:30:26,053 --> 00:30:27,813
Speaker 16: I definitely feel it's worth it. And you know, I

645
00:30:27,813 --> 00:30:30,253
Speaker 16: think as circumstances were different, we would have more kids.

646
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Speaker 16: When my husband and I first got together, we wanted

647
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Speaker 16: four kids, we wanted the big family. But I just

648
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Speaker 16: the reality of it is so different. You don't have

649
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Speaker 16: that village life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I mean, we are fortunate that my in laws are

652
00:30:44,013 --> 00:30:46,813
Speaker 16: around and they very active, but it's not the same

653
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Speaker 16: as when I was growing up or my husband was

654
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Speaker 16: growing up, where you could just pop over to your neighbors.

655
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Speaker 16: How there's no sense of community. You live these isolated lies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point.

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Speaker 3: I mean that is it's become real for us now

658
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Speaker 3: that we've made the move from christ Choose to Auckland,

659
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Speaker 3: which we love. But when we're looking at this IVF

660
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Speaker 3: journey that we've got in front of us, Mave's pairs

661
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Speaker 3: it's down in christ Church Minor and Nelson, but they

662
00:31:10,613 --> 00:31:12,493
Speaker 3: go to christ Church quite a bit. So we've lost

663
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Speaker 3: that grandparents support element.

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Speaker 2: Which is huge.

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Speaker 3: I see all her sisters, well one sister actually that's

666
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Speaker 3: have two children. The grandparents supporters critical.

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Speaker 2: It's huge. Hey. So I've got a bit of a

668
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Speaker 2: question for you, Tyler. Yeah, and a question that people

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Speaker 2: can see if they can answer a nine to two

670
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Speaker 2: ninety two. Which country do you think has the lowest

671
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Speaker 2: birth rate in the world in twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 3: Oh good teas, all right, I'll give you my answer

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Speaker 3: very shortly. And if you think you know nine two

674
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Speaker 3: niney two is the text number, it's eighteen to two.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

676
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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Ethan Tayler Adams afternoons you for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, you talk said, be good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It's quarter to two. We're talking about low birth rates.

679
00:31:58,413 --> 00:32:00,813
Speaker 2: The New Zealand birth rate is currently sitting at one

680
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Speaker 2: point five six, Australias one point five. Before the break,

681
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Speaker 2: I asked the question, what is the lowest birth rate

682
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Speaker 2: in the world. A bunch of people of texted through

683
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Speaker 2: Vatican City. I haven't considered that one, but you would

684
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Speaker 2: hope they've got a very low birth rate in Vatican City.

685
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Speaker 2: Now that isn't my They aren't in my numbers, but

686
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Speaker 2: here they are. Here's the top five.

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Speaker 3: I do you want to have a guess, Well, there's

688
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Speaker 3: a lot coming through in Japan and I would have

689
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Speaker 3: seen Japan.

690
00:32:22,453 --> 00:32:24,253
Speaker 2: Yep, you would have seen Japan. Well you would have

691
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Speaker 2: been wrong, right, So here are the the lowest five

692
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Speaker 2: Hong Kong and one point twenty four, Ukraine understandably on

693
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Speaker 2: one point two to two, Singapore one point one seven,

694
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Speaker 2: who South Korea one point one two and Taiwan as

695
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Speaker 2: the the I guess unhappy distinction of being the lowest

696
00:32:46,293 --> 00:32:48,573
Speaker 2: birth rate in the world one point one one. That

697
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Speaker 2: is low. That's a problem, Peter, How are you very good?

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Speaker 12: Or apparently the in Brisbane the average vacancy rates point

699
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Speaker 12: one percent and if people are renting, are they having

700
00:33:00,893 --> 00:33:03,493
Speaker 12: bidding wars to try and get a place, and real

701
00:33:03,573 --> 00:33:06,453
Speaker 12: estate agents are striving to sell places because people don't

702
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Speaker 12: want to sell then as they can buy another one.

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Speaker 12: If you have children, you remember the good times. If

704
00:33:13,013 --> 00:33:15,813
Speaker 12: you've never had children, remember you've never had any bad

705
00:33:15,853 --> 00:33:23,173
Speaker 12: times with children, that's where you were owned. So I

706
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Speaker 12: heard that from tidback Radio. I thought that was quite good.

707
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Speaker 12: And the other thing is GDP, Well, it's look at

708
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Speaker 12: the New Zealand economy. It's really been based on property

709
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Speaker 12: growth and bringing in immigration to cause property prices to

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Speaker 12: go up. When you increase the population, which increases the traffic,

711
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Speaker 12: which increases the cost of living, and it puts more

712
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Speaker 12: strains on resources. And if you look at GDP compared

713
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Speaker 12: what it was years ago when people only worked five

714
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Speaker 12: days a week and had the weekend off. You had

715
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Speaker 12: companies like you know for Motor Company, and that's not

716
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Speaker 12: quite the same as owning shares and Facebook for what

717
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Speaker 12: difference they make to the com So people think we've

718
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Speaker 12: got roughly seven percent and plation rate. And if you

719
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Speaker 12: look at GDPR, economies are generally going backwards right because

720
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Speaker 12: there's more stuff going on, but people's personal wealth and

721
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Speaker 12: expenses are going up, and their course is going up,

722
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Speaker 12: and what they can buy is going down. So, as

723
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Speaker 12: you mentioned earlier, the more educated people are, the less

724
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Speaker 12: like we are have lots of children. So the measurements

725
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Speaker 12: really if you're living, you know, with kids, and the

726
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Speaker 12: amount of money they need, you know, to be able

727
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Speaker 12: to buy a house and all that. That's before you

728
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Speaker 12: even look at climate change. And if you believe some

729
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Speaker 12: of the experts believes that we're sort of run away

730
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Speaker 12: and have no future that who knows when.

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Speaker 3: So what's the solution, Peter? Are you in favor of

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Speaker 3: more financial.

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Speaker 2: Incentives for parents to be sorry?

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Speaker 17: What was that?

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Speaker 3: More financial incentives for those who want more children or

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Speaker 3: a child?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think the thing is with children is that

738
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Speaker 12: you know, years ago people used to speak to their neighbors.

739
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Speaker 12: Now have got big fences. So I think the financial

740
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Speaker 12: incentives it does cost a lot, because you're paying fifteen

741
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Speaker 12: percent years ten everything your child needs compared to a

742
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Speaker 12: single person. But do we really need lots of population

743
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Speaker 12: when we already have people starving in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean I guess the population collapse doesn't

745
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Speaker 2: help with the people starving. It only increases the chances

746
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Speaker 2: of elderly people starving and record migration. It's slowed but

747
00:35:53,213 --> 00:35:58,173
Speaker 2: not stopped the aging process because that population is structurally aging,

748
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Speaker 2: so migration it only slows, it doesn't stop it. To

749
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Speaker 2: reverse the aging process we need to have. We'd have

750
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Speaker 2: to have incredibly high migration or a dramatic increase and

751
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Speaker 2: fertility fertility rates. Mckier he sticks through on nine two

752
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Speaker 2: ninety two, Show me the ladies and I'll make the babies.

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Speaker 2: And I mean when you look at Japan, the people

754
00:36:18,533 --> 00:36:20,493
Speaker 2: are just giving up on even trying to meet members

755
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Speaker 2: of the opposite sex.

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Speaker 3: So we don't want to be in that situation. Scott's

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Speaker 3: how are.

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Speaker 5: You hllo there?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, we had our first child through IVF. My wife

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Speaker 18: had a severe case of endometriosis. This has gone back

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Speaker 18: to nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine. We went through fertility

762
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Speaker 18: and associates. We were on a waiting list. We were

763
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Speaker 18: told it was going to be three years, and then

764
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Speaker 18: the figures got jumbled up where North South took over

765
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Speaker 18: the contract and we got elevated to about six months.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 18: My wife had to do those you know, as you

768
00:37:04,333 --> 00:37:10,013
Speaker 18: would know, those stomach injections, yes, futility and we had

769
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Speaker 18: to take the sperm to the clinic and there were

770
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Speaker 18: eleven embryos that they were able to make fertilized, and

771
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Speaker 18: then my wife was in you know, in the normal process.

772
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Speaker 18: We ended up with the first six of those they failed,

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Speaker 18: and then we had to wait three more months where

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00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:34,573
Speaker 18: the last five were put in there and we ended

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Speaker 18: up having a success. And we were told at the

776
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Speaker 18: time on the first scan that there were twins, and

777
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Speaker 18: that freaked up quite a lot.

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Speaker 2: You're making me tear.

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Speaker 18: Up here, mate, And then a few weeks later the

780
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Speaker 18: next scan, one of them had disappeared, and we ended

781
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Speaker 18: up with our new son, who was born in two

782
00:37:57,373 --> 00:38:02,813
Speaker 18: thousand and he's twenty four now and one full young Chap.

783
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Speaker 18: And then the next child, our daughter. We had through

784
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Speaker 18: the normal way. We were told at the time that

785
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Speaker 18: getting pregnant would make that endometriosis kind of disappear, and

786
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Speaker 18: it did. But at that time, in the late nineties,

787
00:38:21,813 --> 00:38:28,053
Speaker 18: I had to witness my wife an excruciating pain, pouring

788
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Speaker 18: a hot bath, lying in there as hot as the

789
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Speaker 18: water could handle, and I couldn't do anything. There was

790
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Speaker 18: nothing I could do.

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Speaker 2: It's a cruel thing. In Demetrios was to be.

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Speaker 18: Honest, it was just absolute shait and it was horrible.

793
00:38:44,373 --> 00:38:46,933
Speaker 18: My wife wouldn't go to the supermarket because she would

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Speaker 18: see pregnant women. She thought she was letting me down

795
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Speaker 18: because she couldn't produce a child with me. It was

796
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Speaker 18: a horrible, horrible emotional time. And at the same time

797
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Speaker 18: there were a few friends well I thought they were saying, well,

798
00:39:01,613 --> 00:39:03,293
Speaker 18: you know, just give it up. If you can't have kids,

799
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Speaker 18: you can't have kids. You know, you could adopt, and

800
00:39:05,933 --> 00:39:09,893
Speaker 18: yes we would, but we wanted to our own biological

801
00:39:10,253 --> 00:39:13,813
Speaker 18: child and we did that and it was a very,

802
00:39:14,173 --> 00:39:19,053
Speaker 18: very tough time. And at for Teleophon Associates there was

803
00:39:19,093 --> 00:39:22,173
Speaker 18: a group of us about nine couples, and when we

804
00:39:22,213 --> 00:39:24,853
Speaker 18: actually finally went through the process in the end, six

805
00:39:24,893 --> 00:39:26,333
Speaker 18: of those couples had broken up.

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Speaker 3: Scott, thank you very much for sharing. And then, as

807
00:39:30,773 --> 00:39:34,652
Speaker 3: I mentioned before, we're starting our IVF journey. We're in

808
00:39:34,653 --> 00:39:37,773
Speaker 3: the early stages and I'm prepping for it to be

809
00:39:38,093 --> 00:39:41,652
Speaker 3: hard and to not go to quite the plan. But

810
00:39:41,933 --> 00:39:43,732
Speaker 3: you just got to hold on to as Scott did,

811
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Speaker 3: hold on to the hope that we can have our

812
00:39:48,293 --> 00:39:50,133
Speaker 3: own child. But if we don't, we will figure it out.

813
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Speaker 2: I feel for both of you, both of you guys.

814
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Speaker 3: But oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, we've got

815
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Speaker 3: to take a break. We'll be back very shortly. Here

816
00:39:57,413 --> 00:39:58,293
Speaker 3: on news Talks, he'd be.

817
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Speaker 1: Mattiath Tyler Adams staking your calls on eight and Tyler

818
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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News Talks, News Talk, ZEDB. You're listening to Matt and

820
00:40:11,093 --> 00:40:13,172
Speaker 3: Tyler quick takes here from Jill.

821
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Speaker 2: Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Don't give up all the very best with IVF. It's

823
00:40:16,933 --> 00:40:19,413
Speaker 3: tough on the woman, but you seem like you have

824
00:40:19,453 --> 00:40:20,653
Speaker 3: an awesome supporting partner.

825
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Speaker 12: That I do.

826
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Speaker 3: Our daughter and husband had many failed IVF attempts, but finally,

827
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Speaker 3: finally success. They had a daughter, the mum aged thirty seven,

828
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Speaker 3: then twin girls when the mum was forty one. I

829
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Speaker 3: see it as a miracle and adore those girls now

830
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Speaker 3: all teenagers, all the very best.

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Speaker 2: I think so much for your text, Jill, And yeah,

832
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing you talk and hearing Scott talk, and about

833
00:40:42,213 --> 00:40:44,533
Speaker 2: the struggles that people, you know, we talk about. We

834
00:40:44,573 --> 00:40:47,172
Speaker 2: need New Zealand needs to get its birth rates up

835
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Speaker 2: to stop population collapse. But there are people trying and

836
00:40:49,933 --> 00:40:51,893
Speaker 2: you forget about that, and it just makes me feel

837
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Speaker 2: so lucky that our children will be ridiculous to say

838
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Speaker 2: to the mother that they came easily because she went

839
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Speaker 2: through a lot.

840
00:40:58,933 --> 00:41:00,453
Speaker 3: She had to do the work there. Well, you did

841
00:41:00,453 --> 00:41:01,093
Speaker 3: some work, but.

842
00:41:01,613 --> 00:41:03,613
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when I was first handed, as

843
00:41:03,653 --> 00:41:05,853
Speaker 2: I said before my youngest son, I mean, I can

844
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Speaker 2: believe that what she had gone through and watch you'd created, Yeah,

845
00:41:09,933 --> 00:41:12,773
Speaker 2: it was incredible and I'm so be grateful forever. To

846
00:41:13,413 --> 00:41:16,093
Speaker 2: say it was easy for us, that would be ridiculous,

847
00:41:16,093 --> 00:41:18,413
Speaker 2: but compared to it to obviously what you're going through

848
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:20,293
Speaker 2: and Scott when his wife went through.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I will say I'm internally grateful of the

850
00:41:22,893 --> 00:41:25,933
Speaker 3: system that we have here in New Zealand around IVF

851
00:41:26,053 --> 00:41:28,172
Speaker 3: so far. I mean, the supporter has been there, the

852
00:41:28,213 --> 00:41:32,693
Speaker 3: information in terms of the subsidies. Incredibly lucky to have

853
00:41:32,773 --> 00:41:35,453
Speaker 3: that system here in New Zealand. Thank you very much.

854
00:41:35,573 --> 00:41:38,652
Speaker 3: That was an emotional chat, but a good chat. We've

855
00:41:38,693 --> 00:41:40,253
Speaker 3: got something else coming up very shortly.

856
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Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

857
00:41:47,373 --> 00:41:50,893
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Zebby.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into the show.

859
00:41:54,213 --> 00:41:58,013
Speaker 3: Yes, Matton Tyler with you until four pm right. So

860
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Speaker 3: over the next hour or so, we want to talk

861
00:42:00,693 --> 00:42:04,693
Speaker 3: about the acc This is, of course, the Accident Compensation Corporation.

862
00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:07,652
Speaker 3: You would have seen the big news that it is

863
00:42:07,773 --> 00:42:12,093
Speaker 3: now a seven point two billion dollars in deficit in

864
00:42:12,133 --> 00:42:14,732
Speaker 3: the year to June. That compares to the previous year

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Speaker 3: where it had a nine hundred and eleven million dollar surplus.

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Speaker 3: So they say, there's a few things that have caused

867
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Speaker 3: that deficit. We are getting injured a lot more. It

868
00:42:25,533 --> 00:42:29,373
Speaker 3: is costing a lot more to rehabilitate people and to

869
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Speaker 3: get them back into work and off their books. But

870
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Speaker 3: we want to take a slightly different spin on this story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was up a tree with a saw

872
00:42:38,493 --> 00:42:41,213
Speaker 2: the other day and I just shimmied up myself. Was

873
00:42:41,253 --> 00:42:43,773
Speaker 2: this a perhodakawa? This was not a bodacut? Okay? Right?

874
00:42:43,853 --> 00:42:44,133
Speaker 14: Yeah?

875
00:42:44,173 --> 00:42:46,812
Speaker 2: And I was chopping branches off as you do, and

876
00:42:47,013 --> 00:42:48,733
Speaker 2: they were falling on the ground and my son was

877
00:42:48,773 --> 00:42:52,293
Speaker 2: down the bottom yelling at up at me, Dad, get down.

878
00:42:52,773 --> 00:42:55,133
Speaker 2: He was really worried. It's not safe, Dad, What are

879
00:42:55,133 --> 00:42:56,973
Speaker 2: you doing. I don't think you should be up there, Dad.

880
00:42:57,013 --> 00:42:59,253
Speaker 2: And he was running the safety line on me, and

881
00:42:59,373 --> 00:43:01,613
Speaker 2: I was thinking, what's going on here, because it was

882
00:43:01,653 --> 00:43:05,013
Speaker 2: definitely not that way with my son, my father and me.

883
00:43:05,533 --> 00:43:08,253
Speaker 2: I was the reckless one. I would just be off

884
00:43:08,373 --> 00:43:10,653
Speaker 2: doing whatever, and he'd be be careful on this, be

885
00:43:10,733 --> 00:43:12,732
Speaker 2: careful on that. You know, put your headphones on when

886
00:43:12,733 --> 00:43:14,293
Speaker 2: your mowing, you know, put the ear mups on when

887
00:43:14,293 --> 00:43:18,053
Speaker 2: you're mowing the lawn. He was very safety conscious. So

888
00:43:18,093 --> 00:43:20,333
Speaker 2: I say, we have we gone so far in safety

889
00:43:20,373 --> 00:43:23,613
Speaker 2: that we're creating children that are risk averse. I mean

890
00:43:23,653 --> 00:43:26,853
Speaker 2: another example with that particular son, we were out. My

891
00:43:26,933 --> 00:43:30,133
Speaker 2: other son that he was eighteen yesterday, went out for

892
00:43:30,253 --> 00:43:31,973
Speaker 2: his first beer. He bought the beer, he brought it

893
00:43:32,013 --> 00:43:34,413
Speaker 2: back to the table and my other son said to

894
00:43:34,453 --> 00:43:39,413
Speaker 2: me great, And he said great. A classic New Zealand

895
00:43:39,693 --> 00:43:45,293
Speaker 2: preparent perpetuating alcoholism. Break the cycle. Yet Barry's a smart

896
00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:49,173
Speaker 2: kid man. So I would say, you know, for the ACC,

897
00:43:49,373 --> 00:43:52,613
Speaker 2: work on your efficiencies, concentrate on your basics. But let's

898
00:43:52,613 --> 00:43:55,133
Speaker 2: not be a safe society. And this is what ACC

899
00:43:55,213 --> 00:43:57,613
Speaker 2: should be. It should be. It should be the thing

900
00:43:57,653 --> 00:43:59,413
Speaker 2: that patches you up. Let's be a bold one. I

901
00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:02,893
Speaker 2: want people out there doing risky staff, playing sport, jumping

902
00:44:02,933 --> 00:44:05,813
Speaker 2: on trampolines, getting things done. You don't want to be

903
00:44:05,853 --> 00:44:10,013
Speaker 2: a scared nation. Productivity comes with risks. Great things come

904
00:44:10,093 --> 00:44:13,813
Speaker 2: with risks, and nothing great comes from sitting around on

905
00:44:13,853 --> 00:44:17,213
Speaker 2: the couch doom scrolling social media, which is very safe

906
00:44:17,213 --> 00:44:18,933
Speaker 2: physically but terribly mentally.

907
00:44:19,253 --> 00:44:21,813
Speaker 3: So you don't mind that we or the AEC is

908
00:44:21,853 --> 00:44:26,133
Speaker 3: now seven point two billion dollars in deficit. That's just

909
00:44:26,213 --> 00:44:28,253
Speaker 3: the price we pay for having much love it.

910
00:44:29,253 --> 00:44:30,933
Speaker 2: I don't love it, and I'm sure they could do

911
00:44:31,013 --> 00:44:34,333
Speaker 2: things better, but I think it's great to have that stop.

912
00:44:34,373 --> 00:44:37,133
Speaker 2: And you see constant ads, you know, you know a

913
00:44:37,173 --> 00:44:39,253
Speaker 2: lot of ads out there about safety and have heard

914
00:44:39,333 --> 00:44:42,613
Speaker 2: get that. But I just think, climb up a tree

915
00:44:42,893 --> 00:44:44,373
Speaker 2: and cut the branches off.

916
00:44:46,333 --> 00:44:48,493
Speaker 3: And have your fifteen year old kid yell at yeah

917
00:44:48,493 --> 00:44:49,613
Speaker 3: that dad, you're being unsafe.

918
00:44:49,653 --> 00:44:52,293
Speaker 2: Come down. What would acc think? Well, people would say

919
00:44:52,293 --> 00:44:55,933
Speaker 2: that playing rugby is dangerous, right, I mean it is, yeah,

920
00:44:55,973 --> 00:44:58,573
Speaker 2: and sport is dangerous. But do we want a society

921
00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:00,652
Speaker 2: where people go out and do those kind of things

922
00:45:00,733 --> 00:45:02,973
Speaker 2: or do we want a society where people stay at home?

923
00:45:03,173 --> 00:45:05,013
Speaker 2: I would say the risks of having a society that

924
00:45:05,053 --> 00:45:08,613
Speaker 2: isn't out and about in nature, doing things, getting things done,

925
00:45:08,613 --> 00:45:11,093
Speaker 2: and taking risks generally across their life. Is a far

926
00:45:11,173 --> 00:45:15,973
Speaker 2: worse society than any of the risks that you can

927
00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:16,813
Speaker 2: put out there.

928
00:45:17,333 --> 00:45:19,253
Speaker 3: Because you can't be a complete idiot when you do

929
00:45:19,413 --> 00:45:22,533
Speaker 3: some of these let's say, diy, yes you can they

930
00:45:22,613 --> 00:45:25,573
Speaker 3: around the house. But a smaller example was when I

931
00:45:25,613 --> 00:45:27,613
Speaker 3: was getting the house ready to rent out down in

932
00:45:27,653 --> 00:45:29,573
Speaker 3: christ Church and I had to clear the guttering as

933
00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:31,693
Speaker 3: part of getting that up to scratch. I could have

934
00:45:31,693 --> 00:45:33,493
Speaker 3: paid a guy probably one hundred and fifty bucks to

935
00:45:33,533 --> 00:45:34,933
Speaker 3: go and do that for me. He would have done

936
00:45:34,973 --> 00:45:37,373
Speaker 3: it safe and done it properly, paying a guy. Yeah,

937
00:45:37,373 --> 00:45:40,453
Speaker 3: but I had quite an average letter that we'd had

938
00:45:40,493 --> 00:45:43,093
Speaker 3: there that i'd never really used before. Mave was away,

939
00:45:43,253 --> 00:45:45,172
Speaker 3: and I made sure she was out because she would

940
00:45:45,213 --> 00:45:46,493
Speaker 3: have told me you can't do that. We're going to

941
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:47,812
Speaker 3: pay a guy to come in, but.

942
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:50,493
Speaker 2: That she'll be right attitude that no, I can do this.

943
00:45:50,613 --> 00:45:52,292
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to save one hundred and fifty

944
00:45:52,333 --> 00:45:55,293
Speaker 3: bucks here and just clean those gutters myself. When when

945
00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:57,093
Speaker 3: I was on top of that letter, thinking cheap as

946
00:45:57,093 --> 00:45:58,853
Speaker 3: if these legs go out, I'm going to be in

947
00:45:58,893 --> 00:45:59,652
Speaker 3: a world of trouble here.

948
00:45:59,693 --> 00:46:01,293
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I mean you've got to be sensible

949
00:46:01,333 --> 00:46:03,773
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, obviously, but you shouldn't be the

950
00:46:03,773 --> 00:46:05,973
Speaker 2: person that doesn't do your gutters because you're too scared

951
00:46:06,653 --> 00:46:09,453
Speaker 2: of injuring yourself. You should go okay's let's have a

952
00:46:09,573 --> 00:46:12,613
Speaker 2: risk management program here. Let's make sure that the ladder

953
00:46:13,293 --> 00:46:16,053
Speaker 2: is chopped at the bottom before I go up. But

954
00:46:16,053 --> 00:46:18,813
Speaker 2: I'm going to get it done. And then that's the

955
00:46:18,813 --> 00:46:22,212
Speaker 2: great thing about ACC, because if you are anything, any

956
00:46:22,253 --> 00:46:28,133
Speaker 2: activity outside any productive activity or inside I mean, comes

957
00:46:28,173 --> 00:46:29,613
Speaker 2: with a certain amount of risk, and that's the great

958
00:46:29,613 --> 00:46:32,693
Speaker 2: thing about ACC. So I'd say, let's celebrate ACC, but

959
00:46:32,773 --> 00:46:35,253
Speaker 2: let's work out its efficiencies and make sure that it

960
00:46:35,293 --> 00:46:37,733
Speaker 2: is concentrating on its core business of patching people up

961
00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:39,213
Speaker 2: when they injure themselves. Well.

962
00:46:39,293 --> 00:46:43,373
Speaker 3: Text here from Mike says gooday, guys, I don't think

963
00:46:43,453 --> 00:46:48,613
Speaker 3: that high risk activity should be covered under ACC aka skiing, snowboarding,

964
00:46:48,733 --> 00:46:52,293
Speaker 3: mountain biking. If you want to undertake an activity like that,

965
00:46:52,293 --> 00:46:53,692
Speaker 3: that's on you, not on the tech bike.

966
00:46:53,733 --> 00:46:57,373
Speaker 2: I would disagree wholeheartedly. We want the young people and

967
00:46:57,453 --> 00:47:00,293
Speaker 2: our country out doing things like that as opposed to

968
00:47:00,293 --> 00:47:04,653
Speaker 2: the huge risks of not doing anything like just playing

969
00:47:04,733 --> 00:47:08,733
Speaker 2: video games, staying in your own social media, not meeting anything,

970
00:47:08,853 --> 00:47:11,692
Speaker 2: social isolation, those are those are huge risks. So maybe

971
00:47:11,693 --> 00:47:13,493
Speaker 2: there's a bit of a risk on mountain biking. You're

972
00:47:13,493 --> 00:47:15,733
Speaker 2: out and about doing it, but you're there's community in it.

973
00:47:15,893 --> 00:47:20,053
Speaker 2: There's there's clubs, there's people getting together, there's people. The

974
00:47:20,173 --> 00:47:23,613
Speaker 2: mental health benefits are phenomenal for that kind of thing.

975
00:47:23,693 --> 00:47:26,613
Speaker 2: So I'd say as a nation, people getting out and

976
00:47:26,613 --> 00:47:29,053
Speaker 2: doing high risk things is much better for us than them, not.

977
00:47:29,253 --> 00:47:31,493
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties. The she'll be

978
00:47:31,573 --> 00:47:34,133
Speaker 3: a right attitude of New Zealand just part and parcel

979
00:47:34,573 --> 00:47:38,693
Speaker 3: of having a deficit with our accidents Compensation corporation scheme.

980
00:47:38,973 --> 00:47:41,973
Speaker 3: It is and it has been tilted as a world

981
00:47:42,053 --> 00:47:45,133
Speaker 3: leading scheme in terms of looking after people when they

982
00:47:45,173 --> 00:47:47,493
Speaker 3: have an accident and get injured. It is often tilted

983
00:47:47,533 --> 00:47:48,853
Speaker 3: internationally is one of the best.

984
00:47:49,133 --> 00:47:52,613
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it's it's a great failing as a

985
00:47:52,653 --> 00:47:54,613
Speaker 2: parent of mind that neither of my kids have broken

986
00:47:54,613 --> 00:47:56,652
Speaker 2: their arms as they've been growing up.

987
00:47:56,693 --> 00:47:59,373
Speaker 3: How many times have you tapped into the acc system.

988
00:47:59,893 --> 00:48:01,813
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this with any judgment because I've

989
00:48:01,813 --> 00:48:04,853
Speaker 3: had a few. Yeah, And I heard Mike, any cities

990
00:48:05,053 --> 00:48:06,053
Speaker 3: never had.

991
00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:11,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, note because I've got health insurance, so I

992
00:48:11,093 --> 00:48:12,533
Speaker 2: haven't tapped in as much as I could have on

993
00:48:13,013 --> 00:48:17,453
Speaker 2: some occasions. But I've definitely broken arms and broken legs

994
00:48:18,013 --> 00:48:20,853
Speaker 2: and as I've broken my back as well, so I've

995
00:48:20,853 --> 00:48:21,573
Speaker 2: done a few things.

996
00:48:21,653 --> 00:48:24,973
Speaker 3: Yeah's broken a lot, right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

997
00:48:25,013 --> 00:48:27,053
Speaker 3: ten eighty. Love to hear from you on this one.

998
00:48:27,093 --> 00:48:29,813
Speaker 3: It is thirteen past two.

999
00:48:29,613 --> 00:48:35,373
Speaker 1: Wow, you're new home of Afternoon Talk, Taylor Adams Afternoon Call. Oh,

1000
00:48:35,373 --> 00:48:38,053
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

1001
00:48:37,853 --> 00:48:42,212
Speaker 2: The sixteen past two Brendan, welcome to the show. Your

1002
00:48:42,293 --> 00:48:47,573
Speaker 2: thoughts on a risk averse society and acc in general, gentlemen.

1003
00:48:47,293 --> 00:48:49,613
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for having me on. Look, a couple

1004
00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:51,732
Speaker 4: of points on this. So first up, we're talking about

1005
00:48:51,773 --> 00:48:55,533
Speaker 4: a nine billion dollar turnaround in twelve months. Am I right?

1006
00:48:55,773 --> 00:48:56,533
Speaker 2: Pretty close to it?

1007
00:48:56,613 --> 00:48:56,773
Speaker 13: Yep.

1008
00:48:56,853 --> 00:48:59,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, There's there's some complicated factors and things that have

1009
00:48:59,053 --> 00:49:00,733
Speaker 2: been lumped on them that weren't on them before.

1010
00:49:00,973 --> 00:49:03,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this and some of this was a forecast

1011
00:49:03,173 --> 00:49:05,093
Speaker 3: as well, so they're looking ahead to how much it's

1012
00:49:05,093 --> 00:49:05,853
Speaker 3: going to cost.

1013
00:49:06,653 --> 00:49:09,573
Speaker 4: I mean, there's complicating factors and every type of business, right,

1014
00:49:09,653 --> 00:49:11,893
Speaker 4: and so I don't necessarily buy into that so much

1015
00:49:11,933 --> 00:49:14,093
Speaker 4: they need to have provision in place to manage against that.

1016
00:49:14,373 --> 00:49:16,373
Speaker 4: If I ran my business like that, I would be

1017
00:49:16,373 --> 00:49:18,533
Speaker 4: out of work, and so would everybody that worked for me.

1018
00:49:18,653 --> 00:49:21,893
Speaker 4: So I'm number one as a person who pays thousands

1019
00:49:21,893 --> 00:49:23,933
Speaker 4: of dollars a year as an individual and as an

1020
00:49:23,973 --> 00:49:27,013
Speaker 4: employer in ACC levies. I'm disappointed.

1021
00:49:27,413 --> 00:49:30,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but to be fair on the ACC

1022
00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:31,652
Speaker 2: on this one, and it's not really exactly what I

1023
00:49:31,693 --> 00:49:34,093
Speaker 2: want to be talking about. But happy to talk about

1024
00:49:34,333 --> 00:49:37,853
Speaker 2: anything you want to bring it. But there's certain things

1025
00:49:37,893 --> 00:49:41,893
Speaker 2: in victims of child abuse and that coming on the

1026
00:49:41,893 --> 00:49:45,493
Speaker 2: a SEC that they have to look forward for paying

1027
00:49:45,493 --> 00:49:49,613
Speaker 2: for looking after victims going forward.

1028
00:49:49,373 --> 00:49:52,493
Speaker 3: That that's been included and after some courts.

1029
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:54,813
Speaker 2: That's been put on top of them. So that was

1030
00:49:54,853 --> 00:49:58,373
Speaker 2: something that they couldn't necessarily have predicted. But I get

1031
00:49:58,413 --> 00:50:01,213
Speaker 2: your point. But I guess what I really want to

1032
00:50:01,253 --> 00:50:05,652
Speaker 2: say is that in society, you want people out there

1033
00:50:05,693 --> 00:50:10,293
Speaker 2: taking risks, because the risks of people not doing things

1034
00:50:10,293 --> 00:50:13,973
Speaker 2: that may cost us in terms of acc is far worse.

1035
00:50:14,413 --> 00:50:16,573
Speaker 2: I mean, obesity is a terrible thing. So you might

1036
00:50:16,613 --> 00:50:18,692
Speaker 2: look at mountain biking, for example, and go, well, that's

1037
00:50:18,693 --> 00:50:21,212
Speaker 2: a high risk activity, but as it as high risk

1038
00:50:21,253 --> 00:50:25,053
Speaker 2: as having just people sitting around doing nothing slamming chips.

1039
00:50:26,573 --> 00:50:27,053
Speaker 19: No it's not.

1040
00:50:27,213 --> 00:50:28,933
Speaker 4: But you know, I would also say to you the

1041
00:50:28,973 --> 00:50:31,053
Speaker 4: potentially drinking can.

1042
00:50:30,933 --> 00:50:32,933
Speaker 20: Be a high risk activity.

1043
00:50:32,693 --> 00:50:37,053
Speaker 4: So one of my points here is that if I'm

1044
00:50:37,053 --> 00:50:39,053
Speaker 4: out on the booze on a Saturday night and I

1045
00:50:39,133 --> 00:50:42,652
Speaker 4: knock all my teeth out because I'm acting, the full

1046
00:50:43,013 --> 00:50:45,653
Speaker 4: ACC is going to put a nice set of teeth back.

1047
00:50:45,453 --> 00:50:45,933
Speaker 8: In my mouth.

1048
00:50:46,013 --> 00:50:48,373
Speaker 4: I know that for a fact that they do that. Now,

1049
00:50:48,573 --> 00:50:50,653
Speaker 4: what I might propose is that we have an additional

1050
00:50:50,653 --> 00:50:53,253
Speaker 4: excess that's loaded onto people when they actually present for

1051
00:50:53,293 --> 00:50:55,453
Speaker 4: treatment like that, that we actually say, you know what,

1052
00:50:55,733 --> 00:50:57,773
Speaker 4: you're not fully funded for this because of what you

1053
00:50:57,853 --> 00:51:00,253
Speaker 4: did to get yourself here. Maybe they need to make

1054
00:51:00,253 --> 00:51:02,933
Speaker 4: you a little financial contribution towards that type of service.

1055
00:51:02,973 --> 00:51:04,973
Speaker 3: It's not a filly idea, because that's kind of what

1056
00:51:05,013 --> 00:51:07,893
Speaker 3: we do with with vehicles, right I believe I mean

1057
00:51:07,933 --> 00:51:11,493
Speaker 3: correctly from wrong Brendan or Matt that we pay our

1058
00:51:11,573 --> 00:51:12,413
Speaker 3: ACC levy.

1059
00:51:12,453 --> 00:51:15,293
Speaker 2: Some of that comes through our car registrations.

1060
00:51:14,733 --> 00:51:18,373
Speaker 3: But also motorbike riders, for example, they pay higher levies

1061
00:51:18,413 --> 00:51:19,933
Speaker 3: because it's a more dangerous activity.

1062
00:51:20,013 --> 00:51:21,573
Speaker 2: You want to warrant and regio before you go out

1063
00:51:21,653 --> 00:51:23,733
Speaker 2: drinking a personal warrant REGI on you.

1064
00:51:25,253 --> 00:51:28,293
Speaker 4: Well, you know, not necessarily in advance, but you know

1065
00:51:28,373 --> 00:51:31,133
Speaker 4: at the time that you present for that particular service.

1066
00:51:31,173 --> 00:51:33,772
Speaker 4: You know, as a person who's you know, we carry

1067
00:51:33,813 --> 00:51:36,053
Speaker 4: something cross health insurance for our family are five. We

1068
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:38,453
Speaker 4: pay two hundred and fifty eight dollars and sixty five

1069
00:51:38,533 --> 00:51:41,893
Speaker 4: cents every fortnight for that privilege. And we're lucky that

1070
00:51:41,933 --> 00:51:44,333
Speaker 4: we can do that. But I don't expect anything from ACC.

1071
00:51:44,653 --> 00:51:47,692
Speaker 4: We manage that ourselves. I think the people that are

1072
00:51:47,693 --> 00:51:51,053
Speaker 4: fully reliant on ACC put themselves in a situation they

1073
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:53,173
Speaker 4: knock their teeth out because they're out on the booze.

1074
00:51:53,333 --> 00:51:55,333
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think the taxpayer should be funding

1075
00:51:55,333 --> 00:51:56,813
Speaker 4: some white pearly teeth in your mouth.

1076
00:51:57,093 --> 00:51:58,173
Speaker 9: I think it'd be making.

1077
00:51:58,053 --> 00:51:58,973
Speaker 8: That contraction for that.

1078
00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:03,093
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, but what would that would you go as

1079
00:52:03,093 --> 00:52:05,733
Speaker 21: far as to include that in playing rugby, which I

1080
00:52:05,773 --> 00:52:09,133
Speaker 21: think people playing sport is a great benefit to the

1081
00:52:09,173 --> 00:52:12,573
Speaker 21: country and a great benefit to young people in particular

1082
00:52:12,653 --> 00:52:15,893
Speaker 21: all people actually, but comes with some risks.

1083
00:52:16,933 --> 00:52:18,493
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does come with risk, And you know, I'm

1084
00:52:18,493 --> 00:52:20,493
Speaker 4: a guy that has had my teeth knocked out playing

1085
00:52:20,573 --> 00:52:24,213
Speaker 4: rugby and I was doing everything right, and it's you know,

1086
00:52:24,253 --> 00:52:26,653
Speaker 4: and it's not great because it's a lifetime of issues

1087
00:52:26,693 --> 00:52:29,493
Speaker 4: that come from having your teeth to be fixed like that.

1088
00:52:29,893 --> 00:52:33,293
Speaker 4: And very grateful for that service that I got. But

1089
00:52:33,293 --> 00:52:36,293
Speaker 4: but you know, should my parents have paid a contribution

1090
00:52:36,413 --> 00:52:39,173
Speaker 4: towards that at the time that it happened. Maybe maybe

1091
00:52:39,213 --> 00:52:40,933
Speaker 4: they should have. Maybe we need to be looking at that,

1092
00:52:40,973 --> 00:52:43,813
Speaker 4: you know, for particular high risk activities, or you know,

1093
00:52:43,853 --> 00:52:46,373
Speaker 4: if you're playing stupid games and you win stuper prizes,

1094
00:52:46,693 --> 00:52:48,493
Speaker 4: maybe you get to pay a portion of that bill

1095
00:52:48,533 --> 00:52:49,733
Speaker 4: when you walk out of the hospital.

1096
00:52:50,693 --> 00:52:52,013
Speaker 2: Can I just on there, Brandon.

1097
00:52:52,053 --> 00:52:55,253
Speaker 3: I had a friend who was in the United States

1098
00:52:55,453 --> 00:52:57,333
Speaker 3: and he was there when he would have been about

1099
00:52:57,373 --> 00:53:00,173
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three, saw a fight kickoff and

1100
00:53:00,253 --> 00:53:02,973
Speaker 3: he tried to stop the fight, ended up getting smacked

1101
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:05,573
Speaker 3: in the face and he lost a lot of his teeth.

1102
00:53:05,893 --> 00:53:09,693
Speaker 3: Ended up costing him forty thousand dollars. So when you

1103
00:53:09,733 --> 00:53:12,333
Speaker 3: look at the situation America has in the situation we have,

1104
00:53:12,373 --> 00:53:14,253
Speaker 3: because that wasn't his fault, He wasn't on the booze.

1105
00:53:14,253 --> 00:53:16,613
Speaker 3: He tried to do the right thing ended up losing.

1106
00:53:16,773 --> 00:53:18,333
Speaker 3: He gave a lot of teeth because he you know,

1107
00:53:18,453 --> 00:53:21,333
Speaker 3: got swung at. That seems unfair in that situation.

1108
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does. You know, I lived in the US

1109
00:53:24,093 --> 00:53:26,893
Speaker 4: as a young guy for fourteen years, and you know

1110
00:53:26,933 --> 00:53:29,973
Speaker 4: the number one cause of personal bankruptcies in the US

1111
00:53:30,053 --> 00:53:32,253
Speaker 4: is medical expenses. And we do not want to hit

1112
00:53:32,293 --> 00:53:33,613
Speaker 4: ourselves in a situation like that.

1113
00:53:35,933 --> 00:53:39,253
Speaker 2: Well, how about this one, Brendan. I was in the

1114
00:53:39,373 --> 00:53:41,093
Speaker 2: UK and I got mugged and I got all my

1115
00:53:41,173 --> 00:53:44,053
Speaker 2: teeth knocked out. Yeah, woke up and conscious, bleeding on

1116
00:53:44,093 --> 00:53:47,453
Speaker 2: the ground and the NATUS fixed me up and sent

1117
00:53:47,533 --> 00:53:51,533
Speaker 2: me home. So those injuries were on the UK text taxpayer,

1118
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:53,893
Speaker 2: So you know, good on them. Yeah, yeah, you save

1119
00:53:55,133 --> 00:53:57,453
Speaker 2: money there. Mugged in the UK served us a lot

1120
00:53:57,453 --> 00:53:59,533
Speaker 2: of money compared to if i'd been made pre Yeah,

1121
00:53:59,573 --> 00:54:00,773
Speaker 2: thank you, good on me.

1122
00:54:01,133 --> 00:54:03,493
Speaker 3: It is twenty one parts to hundred and eighty ten

1123
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:05,453
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

1124
00:54:09,653 --> 00:54:13,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred eighty

1125
00:54:13,373 --> 00:54:15,253
Speaker 1: ten eighty on used talk ZB.

1126
00:54:15,573 --> 00:54:19,692
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We are talking about acc the Accident Compensation Corporation.

1127
00:54:19,893 --> 00:54:24,413
Speaker 3: It is fairly significantly and a deficit seven point two

1128
00:54:24,453 --> 00:54:27,253
Speaker 3: billion dollars is the model broken. But we'll also been

1129
00:54:27,293 --> 00:54:30,733
Speaker 3: talking about being a risk adverse society or the She'll

1130
00:54:30,733 --> 00:54:33,173
Speaker 3: be right attitude, And you think that we need to

1131
00:54:33,213 --> 00:54:36,093
Speaker 3: be able to take some risks in life, certainly around sport.

1132
00:54:36,173 --> 00:54:38,293
Speaker 2: That is a healthy thing for so so I think

1133
00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:40,133
Speaker 2: the ACC should be efficient, but I think it's a

1134
00:54:40,173 --> 00:54:43,292
Speaker 2: fantastic thing. And I think people should go out there

1135
00:54:43,453 --> 00:54:47,293
Speaker 2: and mountain bark and play rugby and get out and

1136
00:54:47,333 --> 00:54:50,653
Speaker 2: about and climb trees and have a bit of a

1137
00:54:50,693 --> 00:54:55,933
Speaker 2: backstop for that, because the reverse is obesity and social

1138
00:54:55,973 --> 00:54:59,773
Speaker 2: isolation and risk averse society and on. And we want

1139
00:54:59,773 --> 00:55:02,813
Speaker 2: a bold nation and we want to be bold across

1140
00:55:02,813 --> 00:55:04,493
Speaker 2: the board, and we want to be bold in business

1141
00:55:04,533 --> 00:55:06,813
Speaker 2: and all our all our endeavors. And I think that

1142
00:55:06,893 --> 00:55:09,413
Speaker 2: starts with getting out in the and being bold from

1143
00:55:09,413 --> 00:55:11,533
Speaker 2: a young age. Logical dear is how are you?

1144
00:55:12,613 --> 00:55:14,893
Speaker 8: Yeah? I'm not too bad? Thank you. Listen. My name

1145
00:55:14,973 --> 00:55:17,573
Speaker 8: is Desmond and I'm eighty three years of age and

1146
00:55:17,653 --> 00:55:20,333
Speaker 8: I still do a five hour days work for five

1147
00:55:20,493 --> 00:55:21,133
Speaker 8: days a week.

1148
00:55:21,613 --> 00:55:24,573
Speaker 2: You're a backbone in New Zealand is sorry?

1149
00:55:24,653 --> 00:55:26,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, the backbone in New Zealand got on you eighty

1150
00:55:26,613 --> 00:55:28,652
Speaker 3: three and still working five hours a day good man.

1151
00:55:29,093 --> 00:55:33,173
Speaker 8: Yes, and I can't understand how we're seven billion dollars

1152
00:55:33,213 --> 00:55:36,133
Speaker 8: in debt when we've got one hundred and eleven billion

1153
00:55:36,173 --> 00:55:38,253
Speaker 8: dollars overseas from the ACC.

1154
00:55:39,293 --> 00:55:41,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, with that seven point two billion dollars is a

1155
00:55:41,293 --> 00:55:46,853
Speaker 2: forecast additional blowout over time, and there's some extra stuff

1156
00:55:46,893 --> 00:55:48,933
Speaker 2: that has come on board. So I guess you'd say

1157
00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:54,053
Speaker 2: it is seven point two billion dollars more than expected. Yeah.

1158
00:55:54,133 --> 00:55:59,013
Speaker 8: So then, but when I was just reverse back to it,

1159
00:55:59,053 --> 00:56:02,093
Speaker 8: when I was a teenage young gos who are going

1160
00:56:02,093 --> 00:56:04,333
Speaker 8: to school, I used to play rugby a lot. But

1161
00:56:04,373 --> 00:56:06,573
Speaker 8: when we've played a game of rugby, we had to

1162
00:56:06,613 --> 00:56:09,933
Speaker 8: put one shilling in for insureurance to cover ourselves.

1163
00:56:10,333 --> 00:56:12,613
Speaker 2: Really in New Zealand, yes, well.

1164
00:56:12,453 --> 00:56:14,413
Speaker 8: In New Zealand, I used to play up here in

1165
00:56:14,653 --> 00:56:17,933
Speaker 8: HEKERANGI a long array area and we used to have

1166
00:56:17,973 --> 00:56:20,613
Speaker 8: to put one shilling in to cover ourselves for insurance.

1167
00:56:21,053 --> 00:56:22,333
Speaker 2: Who would you give the one shilling to?

1168
00:56:23,733 --> 00:56:25,853
Speaker 8: I don't know. It was as far as I can remember,

1169
00:56:25,893 --> 00:56:27,133
Speaker 8: it was a coach.

1170
00:56:27,373 --> 00:56:28,973
Speaker 2: I hope it was going to insurance.

1171
00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:32,453
Speaker 3: They just went to the coach to get some beers

1172
00:56:32,453 --> 00:56:33,013
Speaker 3: we're honest.

1173
00:56:33,253 --> 00:56:35,893
Speaker 8: Yeah, and those DASE people were honest, and as far

1174
00:56:35,893 --> 00:56:38,053
Speaker 8: as I can remember, it would have gone to the coach.

1175
00:56:38,173 --> 00:56:41,573
Speaker 2: So, so the coach was before we So was that

1176
00:56:41,893 --> 00:56:43,973
Speaker 2: was the coach taking out an insurance policy on the

1177
00:56:43,973 --> 00:56:46,293
Speaker 2: team or was the coach just going, I need this

1178
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:48,773
Speaker 2: money because if someone gets a broken arm, I'm going

1179
00:56:48,813 --> 00:56:50,413
Speaker 2: to have to take them to the hospital and deal

1180
00:56:50,493 --> 00:56:52,453
Speaker 2: with that situation. Was it a Was it a sort

1181
00:56:52,453 --> 00:56:54,693
Speaker 2: of a casual insurance operation? Was it? Was it a

1182
00:56:55,333 --> 00:56:56,733
Speaker 2: Was it an insurance company involved?

1183
00:56:57,453 --> 00:56:57,733
Speaker 22: It was?

1184
00:56:57,773 --> 00:57:00,013
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure there was an insurance company involved in

1185
00:57:00,053 --> 00:57:02,933
Speaker 8: it and covered us for any accident we had. And

1186
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:05,893
Speaker 8: so I agree with what you're actually saying taking these

1187
00:57:06,013 --> 00:57:09,493
Speaker 8: risks one hundred percent. But by the same that Jacobs said,

1188
00:57:09,493 --> 00:57:13,693
Speaker 8: when you're out doing these riding bikes on rocks and

1189
00:57:13,733 --> 00:57:16,653
Speaker 8: this sort of thing, then you should pay a certain amount,

1190
00:57:16,933 --> 00:57:19,693
Speaker 8: say a dollar, if you want to go out and

1191
00:57:19,733 --> 00:57:21,013
Speaker 8: do it, just to cover yourself.

1192
00:57:21,293 --> 00:57:24,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, But for a society going forward, as I guess

1193
00:57:24,573 --> 00:57:27,893
Speaker 2: I keep repeating myself, but there's a huge price to

1194
00:57:27,893 --> 00:57:31,293
Speaker 2: pay for having young people sitting at home eating chips

1195
00:57:31,373 --> 00:57:34,493
Speaker 2: and becoming socially isolated as opposed to going out and

1196
00:57:35,373 --> 00:57:38,253
Speaker 2: breathing fresh air and getting involved in a physical activity.

1197
00:57:39,213 --> 00:57:40,973
Speaker 8: Yeah, but what makes them stay at home and eat

1198
00:57:41,053 --> 00:57:43,653
Speaker 8: chips and what play on their computers and all this,

1199
00:57:43,773 --> 00:57:46,493
Speaker 8: or what makes them do that? Has society done this

1200
00:57:46,573 --> 00:57:47,173
Speaker 8: to them? Oh?

1201
00:57:47,293 --> 00:57:50,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think absolutely it has. And I guess that's

1202
00:57:50,013 --> 00:57:52,333
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say that I would like a

1203
00:57:52,373 --> 00:57:55,413
Speaker 2: society where we celebrate people getting out and doing things

1204
00:57:55,893 --> 00:58:01,093
Speaker 2: and taking reasonable risks and being bold. And I think

1205
00:58:01,133 --> 00:58:04,693
Speaker 2: if you have children, especially as they're growing up, taking

1206
00:58:04,693 --> 00:58:07,893
Speaker 2: these risks, that makes them a person that's less fearful,

1207
00:58:08,133 --> 00:58:11,693
Speaker 2: less scared and across everything they do. And I think

1208
00:58:11,733 --> 00:58:13,533
Speaker 2: we need to be a bold nation.

1209
00:58:14,093 --> 00:58:17,533
Speaker 8: Dees, Yeah, I agree if you pay, but we're talking

1210
00:58:17,573 --> 00:58:21,493
Speaker 8: about paying as when you do these risky things and

1211
00:58:21,533 --> 00:58:23,653
Speaker 8: you pay it and you're not hurt yourself, get your

1212
00:58:23,653 --> 00:58:26,133
Speaker 8: money back. But if you hurt yourself, it goes to

1213
00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 8: pay for anything that covers yourself.

1214
00:58:28,853 --> 00:58:30,493
Speaker 2: I agreed with you, but you've got to pay your

1215
00:58:30,493 --> 00:58:33,613
Speaker 2: shilling and I want an acc an acc no claims

1216
00:58:33,653 --> 00:58:36,293
Speaker 2: by bonus my costing he was this morning, he would

1217
00:58:36,293 --> 00:58:38,973
Speaker 2: be getting his as no claim bonus. That surprises me.

1218
00:58:39,053 --> 00:58:41,613
Speaker 3: How can you go for fifty nine years on this

1219
00:58:41,693 --> 00:58:45,453
Speaker 3: earth without one claim to acc Well, that blows my mind.

1220
00:58:45,613 --> 00:58:47,533
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it used to be a street biker,

1221
00:58:48,613 --> 00:58:50,053
Speaker 2: My Costing. I think he used to get the light

1222
00:58:50,093 --> 00:58:51,813
Speaker 2: crime get out there. But I don't think he's a

1223
00:58:51,853 --> 00:58:53,973
Speaker 2: mountain biker. He's a safe man, my Cossing.

1224
00:58:54,053 --> 00:58:56,573
Speaker 3: Clearly, twenty eight past two oh one hundred and eighty

1225
00:58:56,613 --> 00:58:58,933
Speaker 3: teen eighty is the number to call back in a moment.

1226
00:59:03,413 --> 00:59:06,893
Speaker 15: Jew's talks, there'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

1227
00:59:06,933 --> 00:59:10,293
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble all keiwe Rail staff

1228
00:59:10,293 --> 00:59:15,133
Speaker 15: for being offered voluntary redundancies. The transport agency's chief executive

1229
00:59:15,213 --> 00:59:19,773
Speaker 15: says unprecedented government investment since twenty eighteen has resulted in

1230
00:59:19,773 --> 00:59:26,453
Speaker 15: infrastructure upgrades, but transformation also means reducing costs. A sociologist

1231
00:59:26,533 --> 00:59:30,813
Speaker 15: at the Mosque shooting's coronial inquest disputes whether the Mosque

1232
00:59:30,893 --> 00:59:33,533
Speaker 15: terrorist would have got his weapon on the black market

1233
00:59:33,853 --> 00:59:37,653
Speaker 15: if he couldn't have got it legally. Tear funds raising

1234
00:59:37,693 --> 00:59:40,773
Speaker 15: concerns about how many New Zealanders are shopping on websites.

1235
00:59:40,853 --> 00:59:44,773
Speaker 15: Timu and Sheen with no way of knowing how workers

1236
00:59:44,813 --> 00:59:49,013
Speaker 15: are treated or protected A loaded gun's been taken off

1237
00:59:49,013 --> 00:59:51,853
Speaker 15: the streets from a stolen Toyota high luk spotted near

1238
00:59:51,893 --> 00:59:54,973
Speaker 15: Auckland Airport about three this morning. A twenty nine year

1239
00:59:55,013 --> 00:59:58,933
Speaker 15: old man's appearing in Monuco District Court today. One person

1240
00:59:59,013 --> 01:00:01,933
Speaker 15: has serious injuries after a crash between a motorbike and

1241
01:00:02,053 --> 01:00:07,333
Speaker 15: car in Auckland's mard Albert about midday, Donald Trump escalates

1242
01:00:07,493 --> 01:00:10,493
Speaker 15: threats to pull it o opponents he deems the enemy.

1243
01:00:10,933 --> 01:00:12,653
Speaker 15: You can see the story at and said here all

1244
01:00:12,693 --> 01:00:15,293
Speaker 15: premium back to Matt Heath and Tyner Adams.

1245
01:00:15,373 --> 01:00:16,653
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Rayleen.

1246
01:00:16,733 --> 01:00:20,973
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight to three, Paul, how are you, Oh goody?

1247
01:00:21,053 --> 01:00:23,293
Speaker 3: Boys are very well? What do you reckon about the

1248
01:00:23,293 --> 01:00:24,373
Speaker 3: acc scheme?

1249
01:00:26,373 --> 01:00:26,693
Speaker 12: Well?

1250
01:00:26,813 --> 01:00:29,293
Speaker 9: I agree with Matt, it's a bit of a joke.

1251
01:00:29,333 --> 01:00:30,733
Speaker 20: It's a bit of a look in.

1252
01:00:30,693 --> 01:00:33,213
Speaker 9: The whole country. In cotton Wall. They could save so

1253
01:00:33,293 --> 01:00:36,813
Speaker 9: much money getting rid of these stupid hymn ads they

1254
01:00:36,853 --> 01:00:37,533
Speaker 9: got on the radio.

1255
01:00:38,093 --> 01:00:40,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, come on, how much I reckon that waster?

1256
01:00:41,293 --> 01:00:43,253
Speaker 3: I'll try and find out how much love's been on that.

1257
01:00:43,373 --> 01:00:44,973
Speaker 3: But you don't like those ads? I thought they were

1258
01:00:45,453 --> 01:00:46,613
Speaker 3: kind of clear ridiculous.

1259
01:00:46,613 --> 01:00:47,693
Speaker 9: Don't play sport on a s.

1260
01:00:49,373 --> 01:00:53,693
Speaker 2: Really yeah, those ones really really annoy me because that's

1261
01:00:53,733 --> 01:00:55,573
Speaker 2: kind of what says you've actually pointed out what actually

1262
01:00:55,653 --> 01:00:57,893
Speaker 2: got my up about this, because I would rather people

1263
01:00:57,893 --> 01:01:01,013
Speaker 2: didn't go, hmmm, how that other people have got this thing.

1264
01:01:01,013 --> 01:01:03,253
Speaker 2: I have to be doing this, like no, get out

1265
01:01:03,293 --> 01:01:05,533
Speaker 2: and play sport and be there with your friends and

1266
01:01:05,573 --> 01:01:08,173
Speaker 2: your buddies in the community around that. And that is

1267
01:01:08,173 --> 01:01:10,213
Speaker 2: a risk that a society needs to take.

1268
01:01:10,333 --> 01:01:12,213
Speaker 3: Just on the campaign, the one that what.

1269
01:01:12,133 --> 01:01:13,813
Speaker 2: Happens if they don't turn up should be the thing,

1270
01:01:13,893 --> 01:01:15,733
Speaker 2: and then they don't have enough players for the game.

1271
01:01:15,813 --> 01:01:18,253
Speaker 2: That's what the hymn should be. Remember the campaign they did.

1272
01:01:18,293 --> 01:01:20,253
Speaker 3: It must have been about six, seven, eight years ago,

1273
01:01:20,293 --> 01:01:22,573
Speaker 3: and I thought it was genius. It was acc but

1274
01:01:22,613 --> 01:01:27,373
Speaker 3: it started off like an ad for the latest you know,

1275
01:01:27,493 --> 01:01:29,893
Speaker 3: Detergent that you're going to buy or you know, the

1276
01:01:29,973 --> 01:01:32,893
Speaker 3: Cabots paint and when I paint my house, I love

1277
01:01:32,973 --> 01:01:35,573
Speaker 3: working with Cabots. And then boom, he fall falls off

1278
01:01:35,613 --> 01:01:39,373
Speaker 3: his ladder and horribly injured. And the woman who fell

1279
01:01:39,413 --> 01:01:41,933
Speaker 3: through the mother as she's talking about this latter's cleaning

1280
01:01:42,453 --> 01:01:45,173
Speaker 3: product falls through the glass table. I mean, they were

1281
01:01:45,293 --> 01:01:47,213
Speaker 3: there were great ads that got your attention.

1282
01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:49,093
Speaker 2: There were great stunts anyway.

1283
01:01:49,373 --> 01:01:52,653
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just I mean it's got the whole country's

1284
01:01:52,653 --> 01:01:55,373
Speaker 9: gone stuffed. I mean, would they would they bring that

1285
01:01:55,453 --> 01:01:58,533
Speaker 9: ad out when Hillary was gone up?

1286
01:02:00,133 --> 01:02:06,173
Speaker 2: I have her? I mean, you're running out of oxygen.

1287
01:02:06,213 --> 01:02:06,733
Speaker 15: Have a hymn?

1288
01:02:06,933 --> 01:02:09,853
Speaker 9: What was the l I mean I heard this kidneys

1289
01:02:09,933 --> 01:02:11,973
Speaker 9: up in Auckland and there's a mark on the tree.

1290
01:02:11,973 --> 01:02:13,613
Speaker 9: You know how to climb above that mark?

1291
01:02:14,453 --> 01:02:15,373
Speaker 2: Well, did you have foot?

1292
01:02:15,373 --> 01:02:15,573
Speaker 8: Paul?

1293
01:02:15,573 --> 01:02:17,373
Speaker 2: When I was climbing up a tree cutting some brunches

1294
01:02:17,413 --> 01:02:18,853
Speaker 2: off and my son was at the bottom of the

1295
01:02:18,853 --> 01:02:20,693
Speaker 2: tree saying I was too high up, and I thought,

1296
01:02:20,733 --> 01:02:23,493
Speaker 2: that's round the wrong way. That is that is totally

1297
01:02:23,773 --> 01:02:24,493
Speaker 2: that's unnatural.

1298
01:02:25,333 --> 01:02:26,773
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, well done that.

1299
01:02:26,813 --> 01:02:28,693
Speaker 9: But I mean your bounce off.

1300
01:02:28,613 --> 01:02:30,573
Speaker 18: You know, you fall in your bounce and.

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01:02:34,893 --> 01:02:37,253
Speaker 3: Think that the old she she'll be right attitude does

1302
01:02:37,293 --> 01:02:40,013
Speaker 3: get demonized. I think that's what makes Kiwi's you know,

1303
01:02:40,053 --> 01:02:41,973
Speaker 3: that's a great trait that we've got as New Zealanders.

1304
01:02:41,973 --> 01:02:45,613
Speaker 3: We're resourceful, we get things done number eight wire and

1305
01:02:45,613 --> 01:02:47,933
Speaker 3: and just make sure you get get the job finished.

1306
01:02:48,133 --> 01:02:51,253
Speaker 3: But part of that is having a system, Like acc said,

1307
01:02:51,253 --> 01:02:53,653
Speaker 3: if you do do something stupid, you know, you're going

1308
01:02:53,733 --> 01:02:54,413
Speaker 3: to be looked after.

1309
01:02:55,293 --> 01:02:55,533
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1310
01:02:55,613 --> 01:02:57,813
Speaker 9: Yeah, we don't want to end up the Americans. Americans

1311
01:02:57,813 --> 01:02:59,693
Speaker 9: and you turned away to hospital because you haven't going

1312
01:02:59,693 --> 01:03:00,133
Speaker 9: to share it.

1313
01:03:00,493 --> 01:03:02,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And who do we admire. We

1314
01:03:02,653 --> 01:03:07,373
Speaker 2: admire the Dan Carter's, the Karen Reads, the Richer Accords

1315
01:03:07,733 --> 01:03:10,893
Speaker 2: cause the Wall, the TDS. Yeah, those people went out

1316
01:03:10,933 --> 01:03:12,613
Speaker 2: and there's a certain amount of risk in it, and

1317
01:03:12,733 --> 01:03:14,733
Speaker 2: it's being bold and we would not want to take

1318
01:03:14,773 --> 01:03:17,173
Speaker 2: that away. So I think we need to celebrate it.

1319
01:03:17,093 --> 01:03:19,493
Speaker 18: To live life. D you live life like you say it?

1320
01:03:19,773 --> 01:03:23,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, good call, Thank you very much, Paul Ryan, how.

1321
01:03:22,973 --> 01:03:24,893
Speaker 12: Are you bloody good?

1322
01:03:24,933 --> 01:03:25,213
Speaker 18: Guys?

1323
01:03:25,253 --> 01:03:26,653
Speaker 11: I think we just need to get a little bit

1324
01:03:26,693 --> 01:03:30,373
Speaker 11: of information correct because there's a few false narrative flying around.

1325
01:03:31,373 --> 01:03:33,333
Speaker 11: If you are registered to the New Zealer Rugby Union,

1326
01:03:33,333 --> 01:03:36,773
Speaker 11: like any club, you are actually paying additional acc levees

1327
01:03:36,853 --> 01:03:37,333
Speaker 11: through them.

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01:03:37,613 --> 01:03:39,013
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1329
01:03:39,133 --> 01:03:41,533
Speaker 12: You also, if you're traveling to playing a game of

1330
01:03:41,613 --> 01:03:45,013
Speaker 12: rugby or traveling from to go home, you are covered

1331
01:03:45,053 --> 01:03:49,213
Speaker 12: by the New Zealand Rugby Unions in private insurance policy

1332
01:03:49,253 --> 01:03:53,653
Speaker 12: at the same time. Yeah, and I've got a real

1333
01:03:54,013 --> 01:03:57,853
Speaker 12: bone to pick with motocross riders whose bikes are unregistered

1334
01:03:58,053 --> 01:04:00,173
Speaker 12: because they don't need to be and therefore they pay

1335
01:04:00,253 --> 01:04:03,333
Speaker 12: no ACC levees and the other ones in the some

1336
01:04:03,573 --> 01:04:07,813
Speaker 12: horrific injuries, whereas actual road bike users are paying levee.

1337
01:04:07,893 --> 01:04:10,733
Speaker 12: So I think I just think we just need to

1338
01:04:10,733 --> 01:04:14,213
Speaker 12: start taxing the correct areas downhill mountain biking, majority of them.

1339
01:04:15,293 --> 01:04:17,413
Speaker 11: Downhill mountain bikes aren't cheap, so we can put a

1340
01:04:17,493 --> 01:04:19,853
Speaker 11: levy on those. We can put a levee on the

1341
01:04:19,893 --> 01:04:22,653
Speaker 11: fields that operates. It doesn't have to be big. But

1342
01:04:22,773 --> 01:04:24,133
Speaker 11: the other side of it is, I think one of

1343
01:04:24,173 --> 01:04:27,453
Speaker 11: your previous cause mentioned ACC I've got about sixty billion

1344
01:04:27,493 --> 01:04:33,053
Speaker 11: in assets because of the acceptance of responsibility to help

1345
01:04:33,253 --> 01:04:37,973
Speaker 11: victims of sexual violence from the past. We've had a

1346
01:04:38,013 --> 01:04:40,093
Speaker 11: bad year, and you know what, we've just got to

1347
01:04:40,133 --> 01:04:42,853
Speaker 11: have to jump in there together, pay that extra bit

1348
01:04:43,653 --> 01:04:44,813
Speaker 11: and push on forward.

1349
01:04:45,173 --> 01:04:48,253
Speaker 12: Or we could go after those organizations that help try

1350
01:04:48,253 --> 01:04:49,693
Speaker 12: to cover that up. We could try and get our

1351
01:04:49,693 --> 01:04:50,453
Speaker 12: claims off them.

1352
01:04:51,053 --> 01:04:54,333
Speaker 2: Yes, so, but and I agree with everything you're saying, Craigan.

1353
01:04:54,373 --> 01:04:56,413
Speaker 2: It's a pretty interesting thing when you've got EA scooters

1354
01:04:56,413 --> 01:04:59,973
Speaker 2: that are blasting around that are reasonably respirs, you know,

1355
01:05:00,613 --> 01:05:03,333
Speaker 2: not paying their way in terms of the damage that's

1356
01:05:03,373 --> 01:05:05,733
Speaker 2: been done. But would you say, as a general rule,

1357
01:05:05,773 --> 01:05:09,973
Speaker 2: you would like a society that celebrates risk and celebrates

1358
01:05:10,013 --> 01:05:14,533
Speaker 2: people getting out and being bold and trying things, as

1359
01:05:14,533 --> 01:05:21,613
Speaker 2: opposed to messaging that says everything's dangerous, be safe. You know.

1360
01:05:21,853 --> 01:05:25,493
Speaker 2: The messaging, I guess, is what I'm talking about. Ryan.

1361
01:05:26,453 --> 01:05:28,613
Speaker 11: Yeah, the messaging is correct. We want to get out

1362
01:05:28,653 --> 01:05:32,653
Speaker 11: about continue our adventurous lifestyle. I totally agree with you

1363
01:05:32,733 --> 01:05:35,493
Speaker 11: on that, and I actually thought the TV campaign was

1364
01:05:35,533 --> 01:05:36,093
Speaker 11: pretty good.

1365
01:05:36,693 --> 01:05:39,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I get your point right about being consistent

1366
01:05:40,053 --> 01:05:42,533
Speaker 3: and if there are levees that you pay being part

1367
01:05:42,573 --> 01:05:45,173
Speaker 3: of a rugby club, and there's levees clearly that you

1368
01:05:45,213 --> 01:05:48,773
Speaker 3: pay with road if you ride a road bike and

1369
01:05:48,853 --> 01:05:50,933
Speaker 3: you don't pay that, if you ride a motocross bike

1370
01:05:50,933 --> 01:05:53,093
Speaker 3: and you don't register it because you don't have to sometimes,

1371
01:05:53,213 --> 01:05:56,133
Speaker 3: or if you ski and snowboard, it's about being consistent.

1372
01:05:56,253 --> 01:06:00,253
Speaker 3: And I think there was a point where it wasn't mandatory,

1373
01:06:00,253 --> 01:06:03,173
Speaker 3: but they tried to encourage you to rent risk guards

1374
01:06:03,253 --> 01:06:05,373
Speaker 3: up on the ski fields, and that money that you

1375
01:06:05,453 --> 01:06:07,773
Speaker 3: paid to hire that was meant to go back to

1376
01:06:07,933 --> 01:06:10,533
Speaker 3: what kind of acted like a levy, probably didn't go back.

1377
01:06:10,533 --> 01:06:12,773
Speaker 3: They probably used it as the Booze Fund, but that

1378
01:06:12,813 --> 01:06:14,213
Speaker 3: was how it was meant to work, and I'm kind

1379
01:06:14,213 --> 01:06:17,413
Speaker 3: of behind that. As a skier and snowboarder, I'm happy

1380
01:06:17,453 --> 01:06:19,093
Speaker 3: to pay a little bit to a levy to go.

1381
01:06:19,813 --> 01:06:21,493
Speaker 2: How about this one, then, Tyler. When I was a

1382
01:06:21,573 --> 01:06:23,653
Speaker 2: kid living on the farm, I would wheel my bike

1383
01:06:23,733 --> 01:06:25,533
Speaker 2: to the top of this huge gravel road and there

1384
01:06:25,573 --> 01:06:29,013
Speaker 2: was a pine forest. Because I was excited about Star

1385
01:06:29,093 --> 01:06:33,173
Speaker 2: Wars and the riding between the trees, so I went

1386
01:06:33,213 --> 01:06:35,333
Speaker 2: up there, pushed up by all the way the type.

1387
01:06:35,333 --> 01:06:37,133
Speaker 2: It would take me thirty minutes to get the top,

1388
01:06:37,173 --> 01:06:38,893
Speaker 2: and then i'd ride back down through the trees and

1389
01:06:38,933 --> 01:06:40,733
Speaker 2: I knock my teeth out doing that. How are you

1390
01:06:40,773 --> 01:06:43,493
Speaker 2: going to put a levy on some You can't levy me.

1391
01:06:43,613 --> 01:06:44,973
Speaker 2: You can't live in me for that, I would find

1392
01:06:45,013 --> 01:06:45,613
Speaker 2: out where you live.

1393
01:06:45,653 --> 01:06:48,013
Speaker 3: I'd send a man around from acc and cough up

1394
01:06:48,053 --> 01:06:50,253
Speaker 3: heath because that's crazy. Oh, e one hundred and eighty

1395
01:06:50,253 --> 01:06:52,533
Speaker 3: ten eighty. Do we have a problem with the system?

1396
01:06:52,733 --> 01:06:54,893
Speaker 3: Is there changes that need to be made?

1397
01:06:55,533 --> 01:06:57,333
Speaker 2: I've got a question for you as well. Yeah, okay,

1398
01:06:57,533 --> 01:06:58,973
Speaker 2: you go nine two nine two see if you know

1399
01:06:59,013 --> 01:07:01,253
Speaker 2: the answer to this one. How much do we pay

1400
01:07:01,293 --> 01:07:04,373
Speaker 2: for overseas visitors injuries a year?

1401
01:07:04,733 --> 01:07:04,973
Speaker 12: Oh?

1402
01:07:06,053 --> 01:07:08,853
Speaker 2: Stab at it now? Roughly speaking you, I'll give you.

1403
01:07:08,933 --> 01:07:11,973
Speaker 2: I'll let people guess within five hundred thousand.

1404
01:07:11,733 --> 01:07:14,253
Speaker 3: Because this really winds people up. I'm going to say

1405
01:07:14,533 --> 01:07:19,213
Speaker 3: per year for tourists. Yep, pre COVID twenty million year.

1406
01:07:19,733 --> 01:07:20,733
Speaker 2: Okay, twenty mil.

1407
01:07:20,853 --> 01:07:24,013
Speaker 3: All right, we'll see if you think you know. Ninety

1408
01:07:24,253 --> 01:07:27,333
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number. It is twenty one

1409
01:07:27,373 --> 01:07:27,813
Speaker 3: to three.

1410
01:07:29,453 --> 01:07:32,773
Speaker 1: Matteeth Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on

1411
01:07:32,893 --> 01:07:37,013
Speaker 1: Matteeth and Tyler Adams afternoons us talk said be eighteen

1412
01:07:37,093 --> 01:07:37,533
Speaker 1: to three.

1413
01:07:38,013 --> 01:07:40,213
Speaker 2: So I asked the question before the break, how much

1414
01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:43,253
Speaker 2: do you think we pay out to tourists overseas visitors

1415
01:07:43,333 --> 01:07:45,773
Speaker 2: in fixing them up when they're over here and they

1416
01:07:45,773 --> 01:07:48,453
Speaker 2: injure themselves. I said twenty mil. Someone here said two

1417
01:07:48,493 --> 01:07:51,213
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty mil. Is there's fifteen mil in there?

1418
01:07:51,293 --> 01:07:56,533
Speaker 2: Someone say five hundred million. Some serious and some unseerious

1419
01:07:57,213 --> 01:07:59,493
Speaker 2: guesses there. So what I'll do is I'll go pre

1420
01:07:59,613 --> 01:08:02,053
Speaker 2: COVID because that sort of messes things up. So between

1421
01:08:02,093 --> 01:08:06,133
Speaker 2: twenty and fifteen and twenty nineteen, ACC paid out fourteen

1422
01:08:06,173 --> 01:08:08,693
Speaker 2: million nine hundred and seventy five thousand, six hundred and

1423
01:08:08,733 --> 01:08:12,333
Speaker 2: eighty four dollars to be precise, So tourists claim on

1424
01:08:12,453 --> 01:08:15,373
Speaker 2: average around three million dollars a year. Said it, Yeah,

1425
01:08:15,493 --> 01:08:17,053
Speaker 2: what I thought it'd be way higher? You thought you

1426
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:17,812
Speaker 2: thought twenty million?

1427
01:08:17,893 --> 01:08:21,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, you got that's so wrong, so so wrong.

1428
01:08:21,773 --> 01:08:24,852
Speaker 2: Get a craig good, How are you good?

1429
01:08:25,973 --> 01:08:28,892
Speaker 23: I've been and what some people would say highris sport

1430
01:08:29,053 --> 01:08:34,532
Speaker 23: for thirty odd years. Travelers, we can't get five and

1431
01:08:34,612 --> 01:08:37,492
Speaker 23: insurance in New Zealand if you want to do these sports,

1432
01:08:38,173 --> 01:08:40,612
Speaker 23: so you've only got a CC to rely on.

1433
01:08:42,412 --> 01:08:43,972
Speaker 4: But we do pay.

1434
01:08:44,213 --> 01:08:48,532
Speaker 23: Levy for our governing body. Yeah, and I think it

1435
01:08:48,532 --> 01:08:50,412
Speaker 23: a big quinet of But I mean the last time

1436
01:08:50,452 --> 01:08:52,732
Speaker 23: I was at the hospital doing eight others there from

1437
01:08:52,772 --> 01:08:53,812
Speaker 23: the same base.

1438
01:09:00,652 --> 01:09:03,372
Speaker 2: That's the socializing I'm talking about in risky sports. It's

1439
01:09:03,372 --> 01:09:05,892
Speaker 2: how you meet people. It's a beautiful thing in the game.

1440
01:09:06,213 --> 01:09:08,293
Speaker 2: Minded people and you all.

1441
01:09:11,532 --> 01:09:14,612
Speaker 23: But you know what passes me off is, you know

1442
01:09:15,372 --> 01:09:17,652
Speaker 23: the people that are doing wrong in the sense of

1443
01:09:17,732 --> 01:09:23,133
Speaker 23: drink driving that kind of thing. Okay, they're in an accident, cats,

1444
01:09:22,812 --> 01:09:26,052
Speaker 23: but that's them up. They don't give them their acc

1445
01:09:26,293 --> 01:09:30,133
Speaker 23: while they're off work or something like that. I don't

1446
01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:32,013
Speaker 23: get you could save a hell of a lot of

1447
01:09:32,053 --> 01:09:35,452
Speaker 23: money by by going hard on people that are doing

1448
01:09:35,772 --> 01:09:36,372
Speaker 23: doing wrong.

1449
01:09:36,612 --> 01:09:42,053
Speaker 2: You know, you think so much great, Yeah you make Yeah,

1450
01:09:42,173 --> 01:09:43,852
Speaker 2: you make some good points there, but.

1451
01:09:43,933 --> 01:09:46,532
Speaker 3: I mean just on that, and and there's more people

1452
01:09:46,532 --> 01:09:48,492
Speaker 3: are ringing up and saying if you're part of a

1453
01:09:48,532 --> 01:09:51,572
Speaker 3: sports body or a mountaineering club, or you're part of

1454
01:09:51,612 --> 01:09:55,493
Speaker 3: a ski club, but appears you do actually pay levy's.

1455
01:09:55,053 --> 01:09:58,652
Speaker 2: Rugby play rugby pays you pay levies to play rugby.

1456
01:09:58,732 --> 01:10:00,013
Speaker 3: But there's a heck of a lot of people that

1457
01:10:00,053 --> 01:10:02,612
Speaker 3: do those activities that are not part of a club. Hints,

1458
01:10:02,652 --> 01:10:03,732
Speaker 3: do not pay the levies.

1459
01:10:04,412 --> 01:10:06,972
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, well there's a lot of people coming back

1460
01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:09,052
Speaker 2: and they're really having to go at the ac ads

1461
01:10:09,213 --> 01:10:11,812
Speaker 2: and they especially the hmm one gets people really angry.

1462
01:10:11,812 --> 01:10:13,853
Speaker 2: That gets me angry as well. I hate a judgmental

1463
01:10:13,893 --> 01:10:17,093
Speaker 2: aand give me the facts, give me an argument, but

1464
01:10:17,133 --> 01:10:19,933
Speaker 2: don't give me a fake conversation between two people that

1465
01:10:20,053 --> 01:10:22,652
Speaker 2: go think about them hmmm. That makes me angry. But

1466
01:10:23,133 --> 01:10:25,812
Speaker 2: there's some safety ads from the past that I think

1467
01:10:25,973 --> 01:10:28,692
Speaker 2: were fantastic. Okay, this is good, and I'm pretty sure

1468
01:10:28,732 --> 01:10:31,532
Speaker 2: they were in acc But the one that always I

1469
01:10:31,612 --> 01:10:34,213
Speaker 2: always think about and I can't remember the details is

1470
01:10:34,253 --> 01:10:36,933
Speaker 2: very long ago when I was a kid. But and

1471
01:10:36,973 --> 01:10:38,652
Speaker 2: people might be able to point out the details to

1472
01:10:39,093 --> 01:10:41,093
Speaker 2: me on this one. On eight hundred and eighteen eighty,

1473
01:10:41,452 --> 01:10:44,253
Speaker 2: but there was a it's a boat being backed out

1474
01:10:44,333 --> 01:10:46,053
Speaker 2: and they put the mast up and it hits the

1475
01:10:47,133 --> 01:10:52,013
Speaker 2: power lines. That one has been great for me, yes,

1476
01:10:52,093 --> 01:10:54,812
Speaker 2: because I'm always thinking about the power lines now, always

1477
01:10:54,853 --> 01:10:57,253
Speaker 2: think about the power lines. And there's another one, and

1478
01:10:57,372 --> 01:10:59,973
Speaker 2: this one plays into to my point of view that

1479
01:11:02,133 --> 01:11:05,372
Speaker 2: it's much more it's much riskier to be at home

1480
01:11:06,173 --> 01:11:08,452
Speaker 2: eating a lot and sitting on the couch and having

1481
01:11:08,492 --> 01:11:10,652
Speaker 2: a sedentary life that it is going out and doing

1482
01:11:10,692 --> 01:11:13,933
Speaker 2: nearly any other risky activity. There was one, and I

1483
01:11:13,933 --> 01:11:15,692
Speaker 2: wonder if people can remember this as well, and it

1484
01:11:15,772 --> 01:11:17,852
Speaker 2: was it was a guy sitting at a table and

1485
01:11:18,093 --> 01:11:20,652
Speaker 2: for some reason I remembered his grandmother serving in pipelets

1486
01:11:20,812 --> 01:11:22,612
Speaker 2: and every time he ate a parklet it went boom

1487
01:11:22,612 --> 01:11:25,812
Speaker 2: boom boom, boom boo boom, And that stuck with me

1488
01:11:25,933 --> 01:11:29,412
Speaker 2: my whole life around over eating because basically, I think

1489
01:11:29,812 --> 01:11:31,932
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what department will put it out there

1490
01:11:32,133 --> 01:11:34,452
Speaker 2: as a New Zealand safety ad, but it was around

1491
01:11:35,133 --> 01:11:38,612
Speaker 2: overfeeding people was going to do damage to your heart

1492
01:11:38,652 --> 01:11:39,133
Speaker 2: going forward.

1493
01:11:39,173 --> 01:11:41,412
Speaker 3: I think I remember it and that's exactly what I

1494
01:11:41,452 --> 01:11:43,333
Speaker 3: think about when I'm eating Kentucky fried chicken.

1495
01:11:43,372 --> 01:11:46,133
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom boom boom Oh.

1496
01:11:46,293 --> 01:11:48,612
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1497
01:11:48,812 --> 01:11:49,212
Speaker 2: Kieren.

1498
01:11:50,173 --> 01:11:52,652
Speaker 3: What's your take on how we fix or if we

1499
01:11:52,732 --> 01:11:55,213
Speaker 3: need to fix our a SEC system?

1500
01:11:55,532 --> 01:11:58,893
Speaker 5: Oh, ICC definitely needs fixing. I think it's atrocious. So

1501
01:11:59,053 --> 01:12:02,013
Speaker 5: I think most people that have debt with faces so

1502
01:12:02,093 --> 01:12:04,133
Speaker 5: you've had a bad experience with today hmm.

1503
01:12:05,333 --> 01:12:05,532
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1504
01:12:05,572 --> 01:12:09,093
Speaker 3: And well just just quickly on that care And I've

1505
01:12:09,093 --> 01:12:11,492
Speaker 3: got to say, and I'm not, you know, being holier

1506
01:12:11,492 --> 01:12:13,932
Speaker 3: than down there, but when I've had to tap into

1507
01:12:13,933 --> 01:12:16,773
Speaker 3: the ACC system, been pretty.

1508
01:12:16,452 --> 01:12:17,173
Speaker 2: Easy for me.

1509
01:12:17,412 --> 01:12:19,612
Speaker 3: You know, it's heavily discounted when I've broken a fort

1510
01:12:19,732 --> 01:12:21,213
Speaker 3: or broken an arm, so I.

1511
01:12:21,253 --> 01:12:21,973
Speaker 2: Haven't end too much.

1512
01:12:22,253 --> 01:12:24,612
Speaker 5: Were you telling the truth? Were you telling the truth?

1513
01:12:26,973 --> 01:12:27,173
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1514
01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:29,853
Speaker 3: On those occasions I were yet both be risky.

1515
01:12:29,572 --> 01:12:32,652
Speaker 2: For him to say on a nationwide radio radio that

1516
01:12:32,692 --> 01:12:35,053
Speaker 2: you're ac seacream Tyler was making it up.

1517
01:12:35,133 --> 01:12:36,572
Speaker 3: I actually didn't want to tell the truth. But I

1518
01:12:36,612 --> 01:12:38,053
Speaker 3: did tell the truth because it was kind of an

1519
01:12:38,213 --> 01:12:39,892
Speaker 3: error scene when I was doing a lunge at the

1520
01:12:39,933 --> 01:12:41,093
Speaker 3: gym and slipped.

1521
01:12:40,772 --> 01:12:41,532
Speaker 2: And broke my foot.

1522
01:12:41,572 --> 01:12:43,852
Speaker 3: I'm serious, So I wanted to lie, but I had

1523
01:12:43,853 --> 01:12:44,612
Speaker 3: to tell the truth.

1524
01:12:46,213 --> 01:12:48,852
Speaker 2: That's a humiliator. Yeah, you've got to tell the truth.

1525
01:12:49,173 --> 01:12:50,812
Speaker 2: You got to tell the truth, Karen. But the le

1526
01:12:52,053 --> 01:12:52,412
Speaker 2: carry on.

1527
01:12:53,333 --> 01:12:58,812
Speaker 5: Well, coming back to the guy about motorcycle registrations of levees,

1528
01:12:59,093 --> 01:13:02,852
Speaker 5: I think it should be one registration to a rider

1529
01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:06,612
Speaker 5: because it is a lot of motorcycle enthus out there.

1530
01:13:06,652 --> 01:13:11,093
Speaker 5: They have multiple motorcycles, have a collection of ten motorcycles,

1531
01:13:11,133 --> 01:13:16,372
Speaker 5: and they're paying ten registrations five hundred dollars.

1532
01:13:17,412 --> 01:13:20,093
Speaker 2: I totally agree with this one hundred percent, because it

1533
01:13:20,133 --> 01:13:22,812
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how many motorcycles you've got, you're one rider. Yeah,

1534
01:13:23,293 --> 01:13:25,253
Speaker 2: I agree with that. The logic on that is one

1535
01:13:25,293 --> 01:13:26,612
Speaker 2: hundred percent sound if you asked.

1536
01:13:26,452 --> 01:13:32,253
Speaker 5: Me, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's criminal what they

1537
01:13:32,293 --> 01:13:32,732
Speaker 5: get away with.

1538
01:13:33,372 --> 01:13:37,053
Speaker 3: Consistency comes back to consistency. Consistency again, Quick takes to

1539
01:13:37,093 --> 01:13:40,852
Speaker 3: the break yeaddy guys. I had to cut the three

1540
01:13:40,893 --> 01:13:45,093
Speaker 3: point five meter high hedge last weekend. I have my

1541
01:13:45,133 --> 01:13:48,532
Speaker 3: twelve year old son holding the ladder precariously balanced on

1542
01:13:48,692 --> 01:13:52,093
Speaker 3: slopes wolves as he shook his head and said, I

1543
01:13:52,293 --> 01:13:55,892
Speaker 3: was nuts and Mum wouldn't be happy if she saw.

1544
01:13:56,372 --> 01:13:58,133
Speaker 3: How do you know what your limits are of you

1545
01:13:58,333 --> 01:13:59,333
Speaker 3: don't take risks.

1546
01:13:59,412 --> 01:14:01,932
Speaker 2: We've got a rising tide of judgmental kids that are

1547
01:14:01,933 --> 01:14:06,053
Speaker 2: trying to they've been, they've been. Safety propaganda is so

1548
01:14:06,333 --> 01:14:11,412
Speaker 2: rife with the ads, and that kids are now judging

1549
01:14:11,412 --> 01:14:13,932
Speaker 2: their appearance for just taking reasonable risks like I was

1550
01:14:14,213 --> 01:14:15,972
Speaker 2: climbing a tree and cutting some branches off.

1551
01:14:16,013 --> 01:14:18,053
Speaker 3: We've got time for another few calls on this one.

1552
01:14:18,133 --> 01:14:19,972
Speaker 3: It is twelve to three.

1553
01:14:21,772 --> 01:14:24,213
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1554
01:14:24,253 --> 01:14:27,692
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams. Afternoons you

1555
01:14:27,853 --> 01:14:29,652
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four you talk.

1556
01:14:29,572 --> 01:14:33,532
Speaker 2: Said James, Good afternoon.

1557
01:14:33,973 --> 01:14:40,093
Speaker 14: Good afternoon. Yeah, I'm just saying, to a certain extent,

1558
01:14:40,213 --> 01:14:45,052
Speaker 14: I believe you're right. We have gotten to risk averse

1559
01:14:45,173 --> 01:14:49,253
Speaker 14: these days, and you know, we've gotten to the point

1560
01:14:49,253 --> 01:14:54,293
Speaker 14: where you know, you worry about, you know, falling down

1561
01:14:54,333 --> 01:14:58,892
Speaker 14: the stairs as you walk out of the house. But

1562
01:15:00,093 --> 01:15:01,892
Speaker 14: I think one of the one of the things you've

1563
01:15:01,893 --> 01:15:07,812
Speaker 14: got to remember too with acc is we when acc

1564
01:15:08,093 --> 01:15:12,732
Speaker 14: was bought in. Part of what we lost, part of

1565
01:15:12,772 --> 01:15:15,652
Speaker 14: what we gave up when the SEC was born in

1566
01:15:15,812 --> 01:15:18,652
Speaker 14: was the right to sue in certain cases.

1567
01:15:18,372 --> 01:15:20,053
Speaker 2: Very true, which I think is a good thing.

1568
01:15:21,812 --> 01:15:28,052
Speaker 14: And you know so because it covered and you wouldn't

1569
01:15:28,093 --> 01:15:31,293
Speaker 14: wind up in all those sort of lawsuits you see

1570
01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:34,132
Speaker 14: her going on over in the States or in Britain

1571
01:15:34,253 --> 01:15:35,372
Speaker 14: or something like that.

1572
01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:40,412
Speaker 2: The ambulance chases. If you're in the States, those excellent lawyers,

1573
01:15:40,492 --> 01:15:42,852
Speaker 2: they're making a lot of money because every ad on

1574
01:15:43,133 --> 01:15:46,972
Speaker 2: radio station, every third billboard is one of these ambulance chases.

1575
01:15:48,093 --> 01:15:52,973
Speaker 14: By the way, that adds the boat one if I

1576
01:15:53,093 --> 01:15:59,412
Speaker 14: remember rightly, that was done by the old e d Okay.

1577
01:16:00,213 --> 01:16:04,333
Speaker 14: It was a safety ad for when you're backing your

1578
01:16:04,452 --> 01:16:07,012
Speaker 14: yachts round boat ramps and stuff like that.

1579
01:16:07,853 --> 01:16:10,213
Speaker 3: Bench audience though, I mean, how many people are back

1580
01:16:10,253 --> 01:16:12,492
Speaker 3: in yachts around power power lines.

1581
01:16:13,692 --> 01:16:16,892
Speaker 14: Well, they were just they were just being cautious, you know,

1582
01:16:17,173 --> 01:16:20,253
Speaker 14: because there's sometimes there are power lines through some of

1583
01:16:20,253 --> 01:16:23,253
Speaker 14: the boat yards. They were just saying, you know, big

1584
01:16:23,293 --> 01:16:26,452
Speaker 14: causious of the power lines around around your boatyard. Just

1585
01:16:26,492 --> 01:16:29,093
Speaker 14: make sure your master isn't going to go frash into

1586
01:16:29,133 --> 01:16:30,012
Speaker 14: the damn things.

1587
01:16:30,692 --> 01:16:33,812
Speaker 2: Well, that one really worked. I mean, I'm a big

1588
01:16:33,853 --> 01:16:36,932
Speaker 2: detractor from the acc ads right now. I can't stand

1589
01:16:36,973 --> 01:16:40,772
Speaker 2: a judgmental ad. And I can't stand that drink driving

1590
01:16:40,853 --> 01:16:43,812
Speaker 2: ad where the girlfriend appears in the corner of the

1591
01:16:43,853 --> 01:16:47,213
Speaker 2: room and starts hassling her boyfriend. That's a misunderstanding of

1592
01:16:47,253 --> 01:16:50,572
Speaker 2: how you get people to behave. But the the the

1593
01:16:51,452 --> 01:16:53,492
Speaker 2: boat mast ad that really worked for me, and I

1594
01:16:53,532 --> 01:16:55,692
Speaker 2: remember it being being quite dramatic, and there was and

1595
01:16:55,732 --> 01:16:58,253
Speaker 2: there was a lightning strike basically down the mast, but

1596
01:16:58,253 --> 01:16:59,892
Speaker 2: a bit of it sa it again, it was probably

1597
01:16:59,893 --> 01:17:01,612
Speaker 2: just cut to wide or something because it was a

1598
01:17:01,652 --> 01:17:04,532
Speaker 2: long time ago. The pip ad, as I was saying before,

1599
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:07,053
Speaker 2: that will stick with me. My bomb bomb don't eat

1600
01:17:07,093 --> 01:17:10,692
Speaker 2: so much. And there was also one against swimming and

1601
01:17:10,772 --> 01:17:13,452
Speaker 2: jeans that has always stuck with me. I can't remember

1602
01:17:13,452 --> 01:17:16,253
Speaker 2: two in the details, but it was obviously there was

1603
01:17:16,253 --> 01:17:17,932
Speaker 2: a lot of people swimming in jeans, and I've never

1604
01:17:17,973 --> 01:17:21,133
Speaker 2: swim in jeans because of that. Very good Tony. How

1605
01:17:21,133 --> 01:17:22,972
Speaker 2: you doing all right, mate?

1606
01:17:23,333 --> 01:17:24,133
Speaker 24: How about you?

1607
01:17:24,412 --> 01:17:24,652
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1608
01:17:24,692 --> 01:17:27,293
Speaker 2: Good? Do you like the have him ads?

1609
01:17:28,133 --> 01:17:30,492
Speaker 24: I do? In fact, I'd like to take your mate

1610
01:17:30,492 --> 01:17:37,293
Speaker 24: to tasks because have Adam have Adam exactly like I mean,

1611
01:17:38,732 --> 01:17:41,692
Speaker 24: just about everybody, and I love so sads. You stop

1612
01:17:41,732 --> 01:17:44,253
Speaker 24: and think about it. There's one where of dude sitting

1613
01:17:44,293 --> 01:17:47,852
Speaker 24: on the on the bench and he says, Christ, who's

1614
01:17:47,893 --> 01:17:50,293
Speaker 24: going to take me to the toilet? And you know,

1615
01:17:50,652 --> 01:17:53,173
Speaker 24: a flash of a toilet roll comes up? Okay, so

1616
01:17:53,652 --> 01:17:56,172
Speaker 24: do you want your mates to take you to the toilet?

1617
01:17:56,652 --> 01:17:59,973
Speaker 24: And then there's a woman she says Christ who's going

1618
01:18:00,053 --> 01:18:03,772
Speaker 24: to bathe me? And well, once again she doesn't want

1619
01:18:03,772 --> 01:18:07,532
Speaker 24: a stranger or other people bathing her. It's it's about

1620
01:18:07,652 --> 01:18:11,612
Speaker 24: risk manager. There's nothing wrong with taking risks. You just

1621
01:18:11,652 --> 01:18:13,973
Speaker 24: got to plan them out. You don't go out and

1622
01:18:14,053 --> 01:18:17,772
Speaker 24: a forty nine bloody wind on the white matter without

1623
01:18:17,933 --> 01:18:21,133
Speaker 24: life jackets. I mean, the law requires you to have them,

1624
01:18:21,412 --> 01:18:25,692
Speaker 24: but not everybody obeys them. So take risks by all

1625
01:18:25,732 --> 01:18:28,812
Speaker 24: means have fun because I mean a hell of a

1626
01:18:28,853 --> 01:18:32,772
Speaker 24: lot of fun involves taking risks. But do your risk

1627
01:18:32,893 --> 01:18:36,333
Speaker 24: management first. Okay, if I get into this predicament, I'm

1628
01:18:36,372 --> 01:18:40,172
Speaker 24: going to need that, and so have a HM moment.

1629
01:18:40,293 --> 01:18:42,933
Speaker 24: Don't just go and jump off the cliff. Put a

1630
01:18:42,973 --> 01:18:45,213
Speaker 24: bloody parachute on first.

1631
01:18:45,253 --> 01:18:47,253
Speaker 2: You're good, Tony, You're good. Do you went for the

1632
01:18:47,293 --> 01:18:51,052
Speaker 2: acc This is you make some good points there, Tony,

1633
01:18:51,093 --> 01:18:54,933
Speaker 2: But what I would say is across society that is

1634
01:18:54,973 --> 01:18:58,173
Speaker 2: the wrong way to look at something. What we should

1635
01:18:58,173 --> 01:19:00,612
Speaker 2: be doing is spending as much money as we can

1636
01:19:00,812 --> 01:19:03,812
Speaker 2: telling people to get out, do stuff, get into the air,

1637
01:19:04,372 --> 01:19:07,612
Speaker 2: get fit. I mean, right through the whole COVID situation,

1638
01:19:07,652 --> 01:19:09,612
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe because the best thing you could do

1639
01:19:09,652 --> 01:19:12,532
Speaker 2: to defend yourself against COVID was to be as fit

1640
01:19:12,612 --> 01:19:14,852
Speaker 2: and healthy as you possibly could be. And that would

1641
01:19:14,853 --> 01:19:16,253
Speaker 2: have seemed that there should have been a whole lot

1642
01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:19,452
Speaker 2: of ads get out, go running, get yourself fit, get

1643
01:19:19,452 --> 01:19:21,772
Speaker 2: yourself in good shape. And I think for a society

1644
01:19:21,772 --> 01:19:24,612
Speaker 2: that is a much bigger message because obesity is a

1645
01:19:24,732 --> 01:19:28,533
Speaker 2: much larger risk to ours as society, and sedentary behavior

1646
01:19:28,572 --> 01:19:31,093
Speaker 2: and social isolation are the much bigger risks to our

1647
01:19:31,093 --> 01:19:33,493
Speaker 2: society than accidents.

1648
01:19:33,532 --> 01:19:36,253
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I agree, Yeah, nicely. See just on

1649
01:19:36,293 --> 01:19:37,293
Speaker 3: the backing of a boat.

1650
01:19:37,293 --> 01:19:39,852
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to do that backing a boat.

1651
01:19:40,253 --> 01:19:43,892
Speaker 2: I am on a boat ramp if you can see

1652
01:19:43,893 --> 01:19:46,452
Speaker 2: the boat. I'm terrible when there's no boat on the trailer.

1653
01:19:46,772 --> 01:19:49,772
Speaker 2: For some reason, I'm terrible backing the boat and I'm

1654
01:19:49,812 --> 01:19:52,333
Speaker 2: humiliating myself a number of times, and the pressure when

1655
01:19:52,372 --> 01:19:53,172
Speaker 2: everyone's watching.

1656
01:19:53,333 --> 01:19:55,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want some entertainment, go down to the

1657
01:19:55,492 --> 01:19:58,293
Speaker 3: boat ramp on a nice Saturday and just watch the carnage.

1658
01:19:58,333 --> 01:20:00,692
Speaker 2: It's great popcorn. I can back the boat into the water,

1659
01:20:00,732 --> 01:20:02,492
Speaker 2: but I can't back the trailer up to the boat.

1660
01:20:02,572 --> 01:20:03,372
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1661
01:20:03,692 --> 01:20:07,052
Speaker 3: Good discussion, Thank you very much for everyone who called

1662
01:20:07,093 --> 01:20:09,652
Speaker 3: in or text. In Coming up, we're going to have

1663
01:20:09,692 --> 01:20:12,253
Speaker 3: a chat about Air New Zealand v Jet Star.

1664
01:20:12,692 --> 01:20:15,732
Speaker 2: What do you prefer your patriot Your patriotic duty is

1665
01:20:15,772 --> 01:20:17,692
Speaker 2: to fly in New Zealand in my opinion, Oh, eight

1666
01:20:17,772 --> 01:20:19,692
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to cool.

1667
01:20:20,772 --> 01:20:23,972
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

1668
01:20:23,973 --> 01:20:28,413
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk ZIB.

1669
01:20:29,652 --> 01:20:32,372
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Great to have

1670
01:20:32,532 --> 01:20:33,132
Speaker 2: your company.

1671
01:20:33,133 --> 01:20:34,933
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for giving us a listen, and

1672
01:20:34,973 --> 01:20:38,293
Speaker 3: hope you're doing well wherever you are in the country. Right,

1673
01:20:38,532 --> 01:20:41,773
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about are New Zealand versus Jetstar.

1674
01:20:42,013 --> 01:20:44,732
Speaker 3: Great story in the New Zealand here written by Grant Bradley,

1675
01:20:44,812 --> 01:20:48,173
Speaker 3: which has been the most reliable. So about twenty percent

1676
01:20:48,173 --> 01:20:50,972
Speaker 3: of their New Zealand and Jetstar flights we're running later,

1677
01:20:51,093 --> 01:20:54,092
Speaker 3: more than one hundred were canceled over two months of flying,

1678
01:20:54,093 --> 01:20:57,412
Speaker 3: according to new government figures. So the on performance on

1679
01:20:57,532 --> 01:21:00,852
Speaker 3: time rather performance data from the Ministry of Transport assessed

1680
01:21:00,853 --> 01:21:03,933
Speaker 3: in New Zealand and Jetstar on time departures and arrivals

1681
01:21:03,973 --> 01:21:07,532
Speaker 3: within fifteen minutes of schedule and cancelation rates on their

1682
01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:11,652
Speaker 3: jet network. So for July, both airlines recorded a seventy

1683
01:21:11,692 --> 01:21:15,133
Speaker 3: eight point five percent on time arrivals and seventy six

1684
01:21:15,173 --> 01:21:19,053
Speaker 3: point five percent on time departures. The cancelation rate was

1685
01:21:19,133 --> 01:21:23,612
Speaker 3: one point four percent. Not too bad by airline. Air

1686
01:21:23,652 --> 01:21:26,053
Speaker 3: New Zealand was the better on time performer during the

1687
01:21:26,093 --> 01:21:30,333
Speaker 3: two months, but Jetstar get this, had a lower cancelation rate.

1688
01:21:30,732 --> 01:21:32,652
Speaker 2: Wow wow, But that's what we.

1689
01:21:32,612 --> 01:21:35,852
Speaker 3: Want to talk about because Jetstar for a long time

1690
01:21:37,173 --> 01:21:42,293
Speaker 3: was considered a terrible airline. It had a lot of cancelations,

1691
01:21:42,293 --> 01:21:46,372
Speaker 3: It was terrible to its customers. It didn't accept if

1692
01:21:46,412 --> 01:21:48,492
Speaker 3: you turned up, you know, a couple of minutes late,

1693
01:21:48,572 --> 01:21:50,532
Speaker 3: or even if you were there and for some reason

1694
01:21:50,572 --> 01:21:52,612
Speaker 3: their systems didn't work and you couldn't get on the flight,

1695
01:21:52,893 --> 01:21:55,652
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have a bar of it. Whereas Air New

1696
01:21:55,732 --> 01:22:00,652
Speaker 3: Zealand was always seen as incredibly customer focused, great customer service,

1697
01:22:00,732 --> 01:22:05,333
Speaker 3: a fantastic airline. Now according to this government data, they

1698
01:22:05,333 --> 01:22:08,772
Speaker 3: are pretty close in terms of getting you you need

1699
01:22:08,812 --> 01:22:11,892
Speaker 3: to get to on time. So has the wormb tuned

1700
01:22:11,933 --> 01:22:14,013
Speaker 3: so to speak? On how we feel about Jidsta not

1701
01:22:14,093 --> 01:22:14,372
Speaker 3: for you?

1702
01:22:14,853 --> 01:22:18,692
Speaker 2: Well, no, and I guess my feeling of it is

1703
01:22:18,812 --> 01:22:22,732
Speaker 2: maybe not logical, but I just much prefer in New

1704
01:22:22,812 --> 01:22:27,572
Speaker 2: Zealand and I will never fly Jetstar never. I just

1705
01:22:27,652 --> 01:22:31,053
Speaker 2: never would. I never would. I just feel I just

1706
01:22:31,053 --> 01:22:31,452
Speaker 2: feel it.

1707
01:22:31,692 --> 01:22:31,852
Speaker 22: You know.

1708
01:22:31,893 --> 01:22:35,133
Speaker 2: That could be earpoints related and a certain amount of

1709
01:22:35,133 --> 01:22:39,173
Speaker 2: patriotism and there as well. But yeah, as I said before,

1710
01:22:39,213 --> 01:22:40,892
Speaker 2: I was in a situation recently when I was flying

1711
01:22:40,973 --> 01:22:45,652
Speaker 2: back from Queenstown and I flew in the New Zealand

1712
01:22:45,652 --> 01:22:47,772
Speaker 2: fly even though my partner was flying sit stuff like

1713
01:22:47,772 --> 01:22:48,772
Speaker 2: because I was like, no, no, I want to be in

1714
01:22:48,893 --> 01:22:51,133
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I just feel comfortable. And I think that

1715
01:22:51,253 --> 01:22:53,293
Speaker 2: goes back a little bit. I was also saying this before,

1716
01:22:53,812 --> 01:22:56,293
Speaker 2: you know, when I was living overseas for periods of time,

1717
01:22:56,692 --> 01:22:58,692
Speaker 2: I was just so I just loved getting on any

1718
01:22:58,772 --> 01:23:00,612
Speaker 2: New Zealand plane when I was going home, it just

1719
01:23:00,652 --> 01:23:04,133
Speaker 2: felt like you were home before you left Heathrow, just

1720
01:23:04,253 --> 01:23:06,812
Speaker 2: that those Keiwi accents would come. And I've just always

1721
01:23:06,853 --> 01:23:08,572
Speaker 2: been quite proud of being in New Zealand. As as

1722
01:23:08,572 --> 01:23:11,013
Speaker 2: in the airline, I think it's a fantastic airline. At

1723
01:23:11,053 --> 01:23:14,812
Speaker 2: bats above its waist. Wait, it punches above its weight.

1724
01:23:14,853 --> 01:23:19,372
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the same. But you're patriotic. I

1725
01:23:19,412 --> 01:23:22,572
Speaker 2: am having said that, the safety adds do me in oh.

1726
01:23:22,452 --> 01:23:23,892
Speaker 3: I change the safety ads.

1727
01:23:23,933 --> 01:23:26,693
Speaker 2: Don't Just give us the information as quickly as you can.

1728
01:23:26,812 --> 01:23:29,692
Speaker 2: I don't want to see a cardboard plane flying around.

1729
01:23:29,772 --> 01:23:32,532
Speaker 2: I don't want to see jokes. Just give me the information.

1730
01:23:32,612 --> 01:23:34,732
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that I'm empty in New Zealand

1731
01:23:34,772 --> 01:23:37,293
Speaker 2: And is those safety adds. Just the quickest way to

1732
01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:39,572
Speaker 2: get me those information, that information.

1733
01:23:39,253 --> 01:23:43,172
Speaker 3: And that's what Singapore Airlines does very well, Japan Airlines.

1734
01:23:43,253 --> 01:23:48,093
Speaker 3: It's twenty seconds. Here's what happens if the engines go out. Yeah,

1735
01:23:48,213 --> 01:23:50,732
Speaker 3: you know, put your heads into your knees and pray

1736
01:23:50,772 --> 01:23:53,293
Speaker 3: to whatever God you believe. And basically, but I'm with you,

1737
01:23:53,333 --> 01:23:54,772
Speaker 3: those safety videos wait too long.

1738
01:23:54,732 --> 01:23:56,852
Speaker 2: It's becally when they say, like, even if you fly

1739
01:23:56,933 --> 01:23:58,492
Speaker 2: a lot with us, it's important to watch this thing.

1740
01:23:58,492 --> 01:24:00,173
Speaker 2: It's so it's okay. If it's important to watch it,

1741
01:24:00,333 --> 01:24:02,932
Speaker 2: give me the information as quickly as you possibly can.

1742
01:24:02,973 --> 01:24:06,293
Speaker 2: I don't need your stupid story. Okay, get the information out.

1743
01:24:06,532 --> 01:24:08,572
Speaker 2: Just on the it feels like home.

1744
01:24:09,093 --> 01:24:13,652
Speaker 3: I the last time I flew internationally was about five

1745
01:24:13,732 --> 01:24:16,212
Speaker 3: years ago, six years ago, and it was to Thailand

1746
01:24:16,293 --> 01:24:18,173
Speaker 3: and a couple of stops on the way Stopton and

1747
01:24:18,213 --> 01:24:21,572
Speaker 3: Sydney and flew I believe Emirates, which I thought that

1748
01:24:21,652 --> 01:24:24,333
Speaker 3: was a fantastic airline. But you're right on the way back,

1749
01:24:24,412 --> 01:24:26,412
Speaker 3: and then stopped in Melbourne and jumped on their Air

1750
01:24:26,452 --> 01:24:30,253
Speaker 3: New Zealand flight instantly like I'm home home, But.

1751
01:24:30,293 --> 01:24:35,053
Speaker 2: I feel safe. You know that in New Zealand's safe, reliable,

1752
01:24:35,853 --> 01:24:38,452
Speaker 2: you know they're good. You know they're a good airlines.

1753
01:24:38,492 --> 01:24:40,772
Speaker 2: So I guess the question is have you have you

1754
01:24:40,812 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 2: been loyalty in New Zealand and you're changing to Jetstar

1755
01:24:43,532 --> 01:24:46,852
Speaker 2: because of I guess price and that and that the

1756
01:24:47,612 --> 01:24:50,372
Speaker 2: real reliability risks in a factor anymore.

1757
01:24:50,412 --> 01:24:52,372
Speaker 3: But it's been no secret that Air New Zealand has

1758
01:24:52,412 --> 01:24:56,973
Speaker 3: had some problems since COVID nineteen, right, I mean in

1759
01:24:57,093 --> 01:25:01,253
Speaker 3: terms of the customer service and in terms of the refunds.

1760
01:25:01,692 --> 01:25:04,412
Speaker 3: And poor old Greg Foran who came from and I

1761
01:25:04,492 --> 01:25:07,812
Speaker 3: think he is a brilliant businessman. He very successful in

1762
01:25:07,812 --> 01:25:10,333
Speaker 3: America Walmart. So he took a massive pay cut to

1763
01:25:10,333 --> 01:25:12,932
Speaker 3: come and look after our national airline and he's had

1764
01:25:12,973 --> 01:25:15,053
Speaker 3: a mirror of a time trying to get it back

1765
01:25:15,133 --> 01:25:17,293
Speaker 3: up to scratch. And you're right, it had a great run,

1766
01:25:17,532 --> 01:25:21,612
Speaker 3: the world's favorite airline, you know, multiple times running. And

1767
01:25:21,732 --> 01:25:25,372
Speaker 3: now I think people are that that shine of ear

1768
01:25:25,372 --> 01:25:27,173
Speaker 3: in New Zealand has started to rub away with it.

1769
01:25:27,412 --> 01:25:29,933
Speaker 2: I would agree with that, even with me to a

1770
01:25:29,973 --> 01:25:32,372
Speaker 2: certain extent. And look my understanding that as they laid

1771
01:25:32,412 --> 01:25:33,652
Speaker 2: off a lot of really good people and it was

1772
01:25:33,652 --> 01:25:35,812
Speaker 2: hard to get them back, you know, just a on

1773
01:25:35,853 --> 01:25:40,132
Speaker 2: a you know, a cold face, you know, customer facing

1774
01:25:40,893 --> 01:25:41,532
Speaker 2: level as well.

1775
01:25:41,572 --> 01:25:44,892
Speaker 3: You know, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is Jetstar back?

1776
01:25:45,013 --> 01:25:47,572
Speaker 3: Have you used it recently? What was it like? Is

1777
01:25:47,612 --> 01:25:49,772
Speaker 3: it all about price? Or are you like Matt? You're

1778
01:25:49,812 --> 01:25:52,652
Speaker 3: patriotic and in New Zealand, even if it has had

1779
01:25:52,652 --> 01:25:55,172
Speaker 3: some problems, is still your airline of choice?

1780
01:25:55,253 --> 01:25:56,692
Speaker 2: And maybe you just want to send a message to

1781
01:25:56,732 --> 01:25:58,253
Speaker 2: you in New Zealand. You love them, but like me,

1782
01:25:58,412 --> 01:26:01,333
Speaker 2: those safety videos are killing you. Yeah, time to get

1783
01:26:01,412 --> 01:26:01,772
Speaker 2: rid of them.

1784
01:26:01,853 --> 01:26:06,653
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, it's twelve past three.

1785
01:26:05,732 --> 01:26:06,533
Speaker 2: Good afternoon.

1786
01:26:06,532 --> 01:26:09,692
Speaker 3: It's quught a past three in New Zealand. Still your

1787
01:26:09,732 --> 01:26:13,052
Speaker 3: airline of choice? Or are you starting to give jitsa

1788
01:26:13,173 --> 01:26:15,092
Speaker 3: a bit of a lucky loo now that they're getting

1789
01:26:15,093 --> 01:26:18,892
Speaker 3: better in terms of their customer service and the lack

1790
01:26:18,933 --> 01:26:21,652
Speaker 3: of cancelations compared to what they had about ten years ago.

1791
01:26:21,893 --> 01:26:22,852
Speaker 2: Colin, what do you reckon?

1792
01:26:24,492 --> 01:26:29,972
Speaker 19: Yeah? I fly Josie come over, Auntie overworking. I fly

1793
01:26:30,053 --> 01:26:32,213
Speaker 19: on a regular basis. I always go to New Zealand

1794
01:26:33,572 --> 01:26:40,973
Speaker 19: Royalty Airports. Yes, definitely, I fly business class, but their

1795
01:26:41,053 --> 01:26:43,572
Speaker 19: prices are pretty high for business class for a three

1796
01:26:43,572 --> 01:26:46,732
Speaker 19: out trip and Army. I've got a couple of flights

1797
01:26:46,732 --> 01:26:49,532
Speaker 19: coming up in December and January and that was just

1798
01:26:49,652 --> 01:26:56,092
Speaker 19: under three grand. Did you say, yeah, Destrom from the Brisbane.

1799
01:26:57,853 --> 01:26:59,892
Speaker 19: But you do get good service and you know, you

1800
01:26:59,933 --> 01:27:02,412
Speaker 19: do feel like you're home a couple of trips.

1801
01:27:02,133 --> 01:27:02,692
Speaker 17: Ago they.

1802
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:09,452
Speaker 19: They had rented planes from Spain. I think a boss

1803
01:27:11,372 --> 01:27:14,652
Speaker 19: and although very lovely people and all that sort of stuff,

1804
01:27:14,692 --> 01:27:18,973
Speaker 19: but just felt different, you know, yeah, just yeah, just

1805
01:27:19,173 --> 01:27:22,093
Speaker 19: until feel the same. And you know I've been o

1806
01:27:22,213 --> 01:27:24,652
Speaker 19: the States and had a few times and you know

1807
01:27:24,732 --> 01:27:28,333
Speaker 19: I always do zeal And, go go anywhere else. I

1808
01:27:28,412 --> 01:27:31,892
Speaker 19: just think, you know, we've got a national airline support it.

1809
01:27:32,412 --> 01:27:34,772
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of questions for you, Colin. Firstly,

1810
01:27:35,853 --> 01:27:37,852
Speaker 2: if it's not too personal, a question where you're sitting.

1811
01:27:38,333 --> 01:27:39,732
Speaker 2: You sound like you might be up there around the

1812
01:27:39,732 --> 01:27:41,772
Speaker 2: gold elite level. And secondly, what do you think of

1813
01:27:41,772 --> 01:27:44,372
Speaker 2: the safety videos? Because I love your New Zealand, but

1814
01:27:44,412 --> 01:27:48,213
Speaker 2: I just those safety videos that they're getting to me.

1815
01:27:48,253 --> 01:27:49,572
Speaker 2: They're starting to really get to me.

1816
01:27:50,812 --> 01:27:57,532
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, know they the safety videos. You know, I'm

1817
01:27:57,572 --> 01:28:00,013
Speaker 19: pretty much on the gold class standard. But do you

1818
01:28:01,093 --> 01:28:05,692
Speaker 19: know I do quite goody. It's yeah the fore, it's enjoyable.

1819
01:28:06,093 --> 01:28:09,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, good food in the.

1820
01:28:10,572 --> 01:28:14,572
Speaker 19: Yeah yeah yeah, everything else, but a love a big drinker.

1821
01:28:14,893 --> 01:28:16,092
Speaker 2: Just on that business level.

1822
01:28:16,093 --> 01:28:18,253
Speaker 3: You know, when they play those safety videos and you've

1823
01:28:18,253 --> 01:28:20,012
Speaker 3: got to do the right thing. But if you're listening

1824
01:28:20,093 --> 01:28:22,892
Speaker 3: to your own soundtrack or trying to watch a movie

1825
01:28:22,893 --> 01:28:25,013
Speaker 3: on your phone and they make you take the the

1826
01:28:25,053 --> 01:28:27,972
Speaker 3: airphone out, and I get that. Surely in business class

1827
01:28:27,973 --> 01:28:31,133
Speaker 3: they give you a little bit more room there to

1828
01:28:31,333 --> 01:28:33,452
Speaker 3: just leave you watching your movie or do they make

1829
01:28:33,492 --> 01:28:34,572
Speaker 3: you take it out for that as well?

1830
01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:37,013
Speaker 4: Oh they ask you to.

1831
01:28:37,173 --> 01:28:42,612
Speaker 19: But yeah, one plug in, one plug out sort of thing,

1832
01:28:42,692 --> 01:28:47,092
Speaker 19: and you pretend we've heard it a few times.

1833
01:28:47,093 --> 01:28:50,613
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I know the drill, I know the drill.

1834
01:28:50,933 --> 01:28:52,692
Speaker 2: As I said before, they say, even if you fly

1835
01:28:52,772 --> 01:28:54,452
Speaker 2: with as lot, it's important you watch there. But I've

1836
01:28:54,452 --> 01:28:58,972
Speaker 2: also heard that the Kevin crew they take it quite personally.

1837
01:28:59,013 --> 01:29:01,133
Speaker 2: If you're not watching watching the video.

1838
01:29:02,572 --> 01:29:04,572
Speaker 3: Well, you think it's bad for us, the poor cabin

1839
01:29:04,652 --> 01:29:07,213
Speaker 3: crew man. How many times they have seen that video?

1840
01:29:07,372 --> 01:29:09,572
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my goodness.

1841
01:29:09,572 --> 01:29:11,452
Speaker 3: It's like working at a supermarket and Christmas where you

1842
01:29:11,492 --> 01:29:13,213
Speaker 3: hear the same five songs over and over again.

1843
01:29:13,333 --> 01:29:15,652
Speaker 2: Bell, how are you good?

1844
01:29:15,692 --> 01:29:19,492
Speaker 13: Thank you? How are you guys doing. You haven't been

1845
01:29:19,492 --> 01:29:20,692
Speaker 13: on the radio for a while.

1846
01:29:20,692 --> 01:29:24,093
Speaker 3: Well, welcome back in good to check, especially because you

1847
01:29:24,213 --> 01:29:25,492
Speaker 3: used to work for the New Zealand.

1848
01:29:25,532 --> 01:29:25,972
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1849
01:29:26,853 --> 01:29:27,372
Speaker 24: Y's threat?

1850
01:29:28,412 --> 01:29:30,812
Speaker 25: So when COVID came and I was one of those

1851
01:29:30,853 --> 01:29:36,532
Speaker 25: that it decided to volunteer for redundancy and be a

1852
01:29:36,532 --> 01:29:41,173
Speaker 25: wait for the companies for about four years.

1853
01:29:41,612 --> 01:29:48,213
Speaker 13: Yeah, givenely mister. The people that I worked with here

1854
01:29:49,452 --> 01:29:57,492
Speaker 13: amazing people. But as I've always looked at treatism and

1855
01:29:57,492 --> 01:30:01,612
Speaker 13: things like that, I actually fly for a fly jetsty

1856
01:30:01,853 --> 01:30:05,333
Speaker 13: now and again you know it's I don't I don't

1857
01:30:05,372 --> 01:30:07,052
Speaker 13: find a problem with with JITs.

1858
01:30:07,812 --> 01:30:08,213
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1859
01:30:10,013 --> 01:30:12,293
Speaker 13: Take your toism. I kind of think is oh my

1860
01:30:12,412 --> 01:30:17,892
Speaker 13: own crystal. The thing is everybody, everybody pays for things

1861
01:30:18,293 --> 01:30:21,372
Speaker 13: for what they can afford. If you're paid for budget airline,

1862
01:30:22,053 --> 01:30:23,812
Speaker 13: you know you get what you paid for in anything.

1863
01:30:24,853 --> 01:30:27,412
Speaker 13: My wife's my wife's a bit more patriotically comes through

1864
01:30:27,452 --> 01:30:31,213
Speaker 13: the comes to the airline. My wife much preferred of

1865
01:30:31,253 --> 01:30:35,973
Speaker 13: fly flights for you New Zealand. And Steve loves the

1866
01:30:36,093 --> 01:30:39,893
Speaker 13: service that that all my old colleagues provide. And I

1867
01:30:40,013 --> 01:30:44,973
Speaker 13: love the service that they provide. But I know, I

1868
01:30:45,253 --> 01:30:53,412
Speaker 13: don't know, you know, like I say, people go for

1869
01:30:53,652 --> 01:30:55,333
Speaker 13: for what they can afford. If you if you're a

1870
01:30:55,652 --> 01:30:58,532
Speaker 13: wealthy person, you know you want the best and and

1871
01:30:58,853 --> 01:31:00,572
Speaker 13: if you look at the two, what's the best in

1872
01:31:00,612 --> 01:31:03,052
Speaker 13: New Zealand's the best that's ride the better service?

1873
01:31:03,893 --> 01:31:07,213
Speaker 2: Hey, Bill, do you think since fine employees like you

1874
01:31:07,333 --> 01:31:09,412
Speaker 2: have left in New Zealand around the COVID time. Have

1875
01:31:09,612 --> 01:31:13,333
Speaker 2: you noticed a drop off in the quality of the product?

1876
01:31:15,933 --> 01:31:18,053
Speaker 13: I think I think the quality of the product for

1877
01:31:18,372 --> 01:31:21,133
Speaker 13: for all companies that are out there has changed a

1878
01:31:21,213 --> 01:31:28,253
Speaker 13: lot because of you know, we are making some comparisons

1879
01:31:28,253 --> 01:31:30,532
Speaker 13: between Jetstar and in New Zealand. When I look when

1880
01:31:30,532 --> 01:31:33,892
Speaker 13: I look at the two, I still see Jetstar as

1881
01:31:33,933 --> 01:31:38,532
Speaker 13: a budget airlines as all countries have budget airlines, you know,

1882
01:31:38,652 --> 01:31:40,973
Speaker 13: and and you've got to have them. You have to

1883
01:31:41,053 --> 01:31:46,572
Speaker 13: have them because not everybody can afford what you know

1884
01:31:46,652 --> 01:31:49,612
Speaker 13: what one of those going to afford. And I have

1885
01:31:49,732 --> 01:31:51,652
Speaker 13: a tendency to look for the cheap airlines. You know,

1886
01:31:52,293 --> 01:31:54,372
Speaker 13: I don't just fly in New Zealand. You know, it's

1887
01:31:55,173 --> 01:31:57,253
Speaker 13: fine airlines. You know, like if I'm if I wanted

1888
01:31:57,253 --> 01:31:59,093
Speaker 13: to go to Pine, I'm going to I'm going to

1889
01:31:59,133 --> 01:32:00,133
Speaker 13: look for the cheapest air for you.

1890
01:32:00,812 --> 01:32:03,492
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, a bill, and you say,

1891
01:32:03,572 --> 01:32:05,732
Speaker 2: you know, like you'll get in New Zealand. And I'm

1892
01:32:05,732 --> 01:32:08,053
Speaker 2: asking if the quality is down in New Zealand just

1893
01:32:08,452 --> 01:32:11,293
Speaker 2: has just taken out the top the top two spots,

1894
01:32:12,772 --> 01:32:16,452
Speaker 2: including best air line in the world in the cond

1895
01:32:16,572 --> 01:32:19,933
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1896
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1897
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1898
01:32:25,893 --> 01:32:26,973
Speaker 2: thousand listeners.

1899
01:32:26,692 --> 01:32:28,652
Speaker 3: Are certainly getting better, no doubt about it, getting back

1900
01:32:28,652 --> 01:32:30,532
Speaker 3: to their former glory. I've got to say, though, Matt,

1901
01:32:30,772 --> 01:32:34,772
Speaker 3: that when I book a flight, ninety percent of it

1902
01:32:34,933 --> 01:32:38,532
Speaker 3: is down to price. I'm just being honesty, you know.

1903
01:32:38,652 --> 01:32:41,812
Speaker 3: I mean, particularly domestically, if I can fly Jet staff

1904
01:32:41,812 --> 01:32:43,852
Speaker 3: for half the price, and sometimes it's not half the price,

1905
01:32:43,893 --> 01:32:45,452
Speaker 3: but if I can get a lot cheaper than Air

1906
01:32:45,492 --> 01:32:47,692
Speaker 3: New Zealand, oh go Jet Starry every day. Are you

1907
01:32:47,772 --> 01:32:50,492
Speaker 3: running air points though, Tyler, Yes, I am. You're right,

1908
01:32:50,732 --> 01:32:53,652
Speaker 3: And so that is, you know, starting to a crew

1909
01:32:53,732 --> 01:32:55,652
Speaker 3: that we might have a week you know, nice week.

1910
01:32:57,213 --> 01:32:57,692
Speaker 2: Is using them.

1911
01:32:57,692 --> 01:32:59,612
Speaker 3: Actually she's using them all She's flying back down to

1912
01:32:59,612 --> 01:33:00,572
Speaker 3: the Cristis this weekend.

1913
01:33:01,372 --> 01:33:02,812
Speaker 2: You've got to be care for those sharepoints. You go

1914
01:33:02,893 --> 01:33:05,173
Speaker 2: to check and then someone on them has used them.

1915
01:33:05,412 --> 01:33:06,852
Speaker 2: But you actually also got to have a look at

1916
01:33:06,893 --> 01:33:10,333
Speaker 2: your ear points because you can sometimes get very little.

1917
01:33:10,492 --> 01:33:11,932
Speaker 2: You've got to get the flexi. You got to get

1918
01:33:11,973 --> 01:33:14,372
Speaker 2: the flexi fear before you can get any decent airports.

1919
01:33:14,452 --> 01:33:16,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It

1920
01:33:17,173 --> 01:33:18,692
Speaker 3: is twenty two past three.

1921
01:33:23,452 --> 01:33:27,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred eighty

1922
01:33:27,173 --> 01:33:28,772
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1923
01:33:29,372 --> 01:33:30,852
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Simon. How are you.

1924
01:33:32,412 --> 01:33:33,732
Speaker 20: I'm well, thanks guys. How you going?

1925
01:33:33,853 --> 01:33:34,013
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1926
01:33:34,173 --> 01:33:34,572
Speaker 2: Very good.

1927
01:33:34,692 --> 01:33:36,692
Speaker 3: So you have worked for both of the airlines in

1928
01:33:36,772 --> 01:33:38,452
Speaker 3: New Zealand and jets Day. You're a good man to

1929
01:33:38,532 --> 01:33:38,892
Speaker 3: chat too.

1930
01:33:40,492 --> 01:33:42,812
Speaker 20: Yeah, I've got an interesting perspective on it. I think

1931
01:33:42,853 --> 01:33:46,492
Speaker 20: I've spent thirteen years at the New Zealand currently now

1932
01:33:46,612 --> 01:33:50,452
Speaker 20: with Jetstar. Number of reasons behind the predominantly to do

1933
01:33:50,532 --> 01:33:54,812
Speaker 20: with COVID. Yeah, we weren't basically just let go by

1934
01:33:54,893 --> 01:33:58,212
Speaker 20: a New Zealand and you know, like everyone during lockdown

1935
01:33:58,333 --> 01:34:01,333
Speaker 20: and post COVID, I just got sick of driving vans

1936
01:34:01,372 --> 01:34:03,293
Speaker 20: and working in restaurants and doing whatever I had to do.

1937
01:34:03,333 --> 01:34:08,173
Speaker 20: I wanted to get back flying. So Jetstar basically we're hiring,

1938
01:34:08,652 --> 01:34:10,932
Speaker 20: and I'll thought, well, I'll go off there and get

1939
01:34:11,013 --> 01:34:13,053
Speaker 20: my feet wet again and run back to anything on

1940
01:34:13,133 --> 01:34:15,492
Speaker 20: as soon as I can. And I'm still there at

1941
01:34:15,572 --> 01:34:18,973
Speaker 20: Jetstar and very very happy. And if you told me

1942
01:34:19,093 --> 01:34:20,852
Speaker 20: that three years ago would have laughed in your face.

1943
01:34:21,572 --> 01:34:26,253
Speaker 20: But it's a cultural thing really. It's a great company

1944
01:34:26,293 --> 01:34:28,492
Speaker 20: to work for. They look after you very very well.

1945
01:34:28,973 --> 01:34:31,932
Speaker 20: It's very familiar. You go to work with your mates,

1946
01:34:32,013 --> 01:34:33,893
Speaker 20: you support your mates, you work as a team with

1947
01:34:34,093 --> 01:34:36,372
Speaker 20: your mate. I'm not bagging a New Zealand. I'm not

1948
01:34:36,452 --> 01:34:39,173
Speaker 20: saying they weren't like that. They certainly were. I'm just

1949
01:34:39,652 --> 01:34:42,572
Speaker 20: you know, from a crue perspective, very happy there. But

1950
01:34:42,853 --> 01:34:45,572
Speaker 20: the reason that probably to call with something property to

1951
01:34:45,652 --> 01:34:48,013
Speaker 20: call was hearing one of you refer to you know,

1952
01:34:48,213 --> 01:34:50,412
Speaker 20: you get on board in New Zealand and you feel safe. Well,

1953
01:34:50,452 --> 01:34:53,652
Speaker 20: you certainly do. And you know people will often not

1954
01:34:53,853 --> 01:34:57,293
Speaker 20: Jet start because it's a low cost airline. They often

1955
01:34:57,333 --> 01:34:59,772
Speaker 20: think it's some sort of toy airline where they don't

1956
01:34:59,772 --> 01:35:02,293
Speaker 20: have spare parts or what have you. People need to

1957
01:35:02,333 --> 01:35:05,492
Speaker 20: remember that conscious of conscious. Jetstar as one hundred per

1958
01:35:05,812 --> 01:35:09,293
Speaker 20: owned by Quantity. It's got all the it's got all

1959
01:35:09,333 --> 01:35:11,772
Speaker 20: the engineering back up it needs, it's got all the

1960
01:35:12,372 --> 01:35:15,452
Speaker 20: technical things that it could need every time there's a

1961
01:35:15,572 --> 01:35:19,452
Speaker 20: fold or anything. And they are extremely safe. I've got

1962
01:35:20,173 --> 01:35:23,612
Speaker 20: safety record right up there with any other airline there.

1963
01:35:24,053 --> 01:35:26,532
Speaker 20: As safety as a massive priority.

1964
01:35:27,492 --> 01:35:27,732
Speaker 14: Video.

1965
01:35:28,732 --> 01:35:30,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have the rest Simon. What what do

1966
01:35:30,933 --> 01:35:32,852
Speaker 2: you so you cabin crew?

1967
01:35:34,652 --> 01:35:36,372
Speaker 20: Yes, I'm a manager in the cabin.

1968
01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:37,093
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1969
01:35:37,412 --> 01:35:42,333
Speaker 2: And what about the behavior of of of the customers

1970
01:35:43,133 --> 01:35:46,972
Speaker 2: Jetstar in New Zealand. If you said you star as

1971
01:35:47,013 --> 01:35:50,092
Speaker 2: a I guess as cheaper airline. As the behavior different

1972
01:35:50,133 --> 01:35:52,732
Speaker 2: from passengers, I.

1973
01:35:52,853 --> 01:35:55,013
Speaker 20: Don't think so on the whole. No, I mean, like

1974
01:35:55,133 --> 01:35:57,492
Speaker 20: any airline, you get the odd person here all there

1975
01:35:57,572 --> 01:35:59,973
Speaker 20: that's had wondering, too many coming on or you know

1976
01:36:00,053 --> 01:36:03,492
Speaker 20: a little bit nically. But honestly, in thirteen years at

1977
01:36:03,492 --> 01:36:05,812
Speaker 20: Any Zealand also doing the same job, I saw the

1978
01:36:05,853 --> 01:36:09,852
Speaker 20: same amount of you know, to small percenters, but you

1979
01:36:09,933 --> 01:36:13,732
Speaker 20: see the same sort of things. But what the thing

1980
01:36:13,812 --> 01:36:16,732
Speaker 20: that was almost struck me about, Jess. We don't have TVs,

1981
01:36:16,812 --> 01:36:19,973
Speaker 20: so we can't play you a flat video. But we

1982
01:36:20,093 --> 01:36:23,452
Speaker 20: get out there. We deliver the information very very professionally,

1983
01:36:23,973 --> 01:36:27,053
Speaker 20: and we deliver the information that you need. And when

1984
01:36:27,093 --> 01:36:30,093
Speaker 20: you mentioned that cabin crew take it personally when you

1985
01:36:30,133 --> 01:36:32,732
Speaker 20: don't pay attention or you don't listen, well, we actually

1986
01:36:32,893 --> 01:36:36,492
Speaker 20: do because when it comes time to get you out

1987
01:36:36,532 --> 01:36:38,732
Speaker 20: of that aircraft, and you know, one hundred and ninety

1988
01:36:38,812 --> 01:36:40,972
Speaker 20: seconds and it happens. It happens all the time all

1989
01:36:41,013 --> 01:36:43,253
Speaker 20: over the world. We don't want you to be the

1990
01:36:43,293 --> 01:36:44,852
Speaker 20: one that's going to stand there screening.

1991
01:36:44,933 --> 01:36:45,412
Speaker 24: What do I do?

1992
01:36:45,572 --> 01:36:46,053
Speaker 13: What do I do?

1993
01:36:46,253 --> 01:36:49,492
Speaker 20: So please just listen for two minutes for your own safety.

1994
01:36:49,652 --> 01:36:52,093
Speaker 2: Well what i'd say, Simon, as I understand that, and

1995
01:36:52,532 --> 01:36:56,012
Speaker 2: if Star. I haven't flown at Star, but I play

1996
01:36:56,053 --> 01:36:57,572
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, and as I said before, I get

1997
01:36:57,572 --> 01:37:00,452
Speaker 2: re frustrated with their boring safety videos. But if you

1998
01:37:00,532 --> 01:37:02,772
Speaker 2: are delivering it, Simon, you're standing up there and as

1999
01:37:02,812 --> 01:37:04,892
Speaker 2: a person delivering it to me and I know getting

2000
01:37:04,933 --> 01:37:07,612
Speaker 2: through it and the information I need in an expedient fashion,

2001
01:37:07,893 --> 01:37:11,253
Speaker 2: I would absolutely one hundred percent pay attention. But when

2002
01:37:11,293 --> 01:37:16,213
Speaker 2: it's the same pache video I've seen when I've been

2003
01:37:16,253 --> 01:37:19,892
Speaker 2: traveling around a lot, sometimes twice in a day, Yeah,

2004
01:37:20,492 --> 01:37:23,452
Speaker 2: it's just too much and it's it's a big ass

2005
01:37:23,572 --> 01:37:25,133
Speaker 2: to get people to watch it for the second time

2006
01:37:25,213 --> 01:37:25,572
Speaker 2: that day.

2007
01:37:26,213 --> 01:37:28,213
Speaker 3: So I mean, if I was a passenger on your flight,

2008
01:37:28,412 --> 01:37:30,692
Speaker 3: just just this is a personal question, what do I

2009
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:33,532
Speaker 3: need to do? Because sometimes there's some upgrades on offer,

2010
01:37:33,732 --> 01:37:35,532
Speaker 3: or you know, you might look after me a bit better.

2011
01:37:35,732 --> 01:37:36,572
Speaker 2: What do I need to do?

2012
01:37:36,933 --> 01:37:39,253
Speaker 3: As a passenger to be right at the top of

2013
01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:39,692
Speaker 3: that list.

2014
01:37:41,692 --> 01:37:44,333
Speaker 20: Well, you've got to remember what our product is. You know,

2015
01:37:44,492 --> 01:37:48,052
Speaker 20: we offer a viable, very safe alternative to the National Airline.

2016
01:37:48,053 --> 01:37:50,972
Speaker 20: But we don't have different classes. We are one class.

2017
01:37:51,772 --> 01:37:54,452
Speaker 20: The only real distinction is if you wish to sit

2018
01:37:54,612 --> 01:37:56,972
Speaker 20: forward in the aircraft in the first two or three rows,

2019
01:37:57,173 --> 01:37:58,972
Speaker 20: there's a little bit more legro and you will pay

2020
01:37:59,013 --> 01:38:02,412
Speaker 20: a slightly higher fare. But you know, I know it

2021
01:38:02,492 --> 01:38:04,572
Speaker 20: sounds a bit of a cliche, but all I can

2022
01:38:04,612 --> 01:38:06,772
Speaker 20: say to you you come on board and treat the

2023
01:38:06,812 --> 01:38:08,973
Speaker 20: cabin crew the way you'd like to be treated. Just

2024
01:38:09,093 --> 01:38:11,812
Speaker 20: be friendly and personable, and you'll be amazed at the

2025
01:38:11,893 --> 01:38:13,012
Speaker 20: response you get back.

2026
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:13,452
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2027
01:38:13,452 --> 01:38:15,532
Speaker 2: Well that's so. That's a lesson across all of life,

2028
01:38:16,013 --> 01:38:17,173
Speaker 2: isn't it. That's great?

2029
01:38:17,293 --> 01:38:19,732
Speaker 3: What was the safety video that rolling at the moment?

2030
01:38:19,853 --> 01:38:21,053
Speaker 3: Is that the eighth Wonder of the World?

2031
01:38:21,333 --> 01:38:21,532
Speaker 13: Yeah?

2032
01:38:21,572 --> 01:38:24,492
Speaker 3: That was ah man, I've seen that. I find ly

2033
01:38:24,532 --> 01:38:26,572
Speaker 3: about fifty dimes and the Joe got a frequent fly.

2034
01:38:26,772 --> 01:38:28,492
Speaker 2: The joke at the end about the yearn is a

2035
01:38:28,612 --> 01:38:30,692
Speaker 2: year or No, that doesn't make any sense, that joke,

2036
01:38:31,253 --> 01:38:35,093
Speaker 2: it's like the store. Yeah, I'll get the joke. So

2037
01:38:35,213 --> 01:38:39,652
Speaker 2: you've been waterboarded. You've been waterboarded for however long that

2038
01:38:39,732 --> 01:38:42,732
Speaker 2: add is? Actually we lost Simon, No, no, no, Simon,

2039
01:38:42,772 --> 01:38:46,013
Speaker 2: still there, Simon? Roughly how long is how long is

2040
01:38:46,093 --> 01:38:48,333
Speaker 2: your manual briefing on a jit star flight.

2041
01:38:50,133 --> 01:38:54,612
Speaker 20: Of two minutes? Two and a half minutes top? But yeah,

2042
01:38:54,692 --> 01:38:57,652
Speaker 20: there's no other thing that really drives me crazy is

2043
01:38:57,692 --> 01:38:59,812
Speaker 20: when you fly on airlines in America and they treated

2044
01:38:59,893 --> 01:39:01,612
Speaker 20: as a joke, like the flight of tenants are out

2045
01:39:01,652 --> 01:39:04,973
Speaker 20: there ad living and making comments and you know, and

2046
01:39:06,053 --> 01:39:08,893
Speaker 20: that drives me crazy because are you actual taking the

2047
01:39:08,933 --> 01:39:11,412
Speaker 20: information there or you're just laughing, going, oh, he's so cute.

2048
01:39:13,532 --> 01:39:16,253
Speaker 20: But just one final point, if I may. You are

2049
01:39:16,293 --> 01:39:19,893
Speaker 20: asking me about sort of the difference in customers or

2050
01:39:20,013 --> 01:39:23,053
Speaker 20: the different clientele. Well, what I have noticed, and I've

2051
01:39:23,093 --> 01:39:28,333
Speaker 20: discussed this as my managers just recently post COVID startup again,

2052
01:39:29,772 --> 01:39:33,092
Speaker 20: it's actually very noticeable of jets at the moment towards

2053
01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:34,932
Speaker 20: the front of the aircraft. Where As I said, it's

2054
01:39:34,973 --> 01:39:36,972
Speaker 20: a few dollars more to get a bit more room

2055
01:39:37,013 --> 01:39:40,532
Speaker 20: and legroom, We're getting a lot more people in business suits,

2056
01:39:40,532 --> 01:39:44,372
Speaker 20: a lot more people working on laptop laptops, so clearly

2057
01:39:45,093 --> 01:39:48,452
Speaker 20: we are changing our clientele. Slowly but surely. We've got

2058
01:39:48,532 --> 01:39:51,452
Speaker 20: people business people now who are realizing that we are

2059
01:39:51,853 --> 01:39:56,412
Speaker 20: very safe, viable and much cheaper alternative to the National airline.

2060
01:39:57,173 --> 01:39:59,213
Speaker 2: Very good, Thank you so much for your call. Simon A.

2061
01:39:59,452 --> 01:40:03,973
Speaker 2: We don't have time now, but I've got so I

2062
01:40:04,053 --> 01:40:06,132
Speaker 2: want to tell you in a minute how a scrap

2063
01:40:06,452 --> 01:40:11,013
Speaker 2: a fistfight at Star was the best thing that ever

2064
01:40:11,013 --> 01:40:13,732
Speaker 2: happened to me. What as eaes it is thirty one

2065
01:40:13,933 --> 01:40:14,853
Speaker 2: past three.

2066
01:40:17,812 --> 01:40:20,053
Speaker 1: US talk zed B headlines.

2067
01:40:19,652 --> 01:40:23,132
Speaker 15: With blue bubble taxis It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2068
01:40:23,572 --> 01:40:26,532
Speaker 15: The minister responsible for Kiwi Rail says it must do

2069
01:40:26,612 --> 01:40:30,133
Speaker 15: all it can to return to profitability. The state owned

2070
01:40:30,253 --> 01:40:34,133
Speaker 15: enterprise is offering all its staff voluntary redundancy and a

2071
01:40:34,173 --> 01:40:38,173
Speaker 15: bid to cut costs. Mortgage interest rates continue to fall,

2072
01:40:38,652 --> 01:40:42,052
Speaker 15: fueled by last week o CR cut and use yesterday

2073
01:40:42,133 --> 01:40:45,492
Speaker 15: inflations down to two point two percent. A and Z

2074
01:40:45,732 --> 01:40:48,173
Speaker 15: B and ZED and Kiwi Bank have adjusted rates in

2075
01:40:48,213 --> 01:40:51,772
Speaker 15: the past two days, followed by Westpac and ASB. Today,

2076
01:40:52,973 --> 01:40:56,572
Speaker 15: Liam Payne leaves behind a seven year old son. The

2077
01:40:56,692 --> 01:41:00,253
Speaker 15: former one Direction Star has died in Buenos Aires. Today,

2078
01:41:01,333 --> 01:41:05,253
Speaker 15: another pipes burst in central Wellington, this time flooding Vivian

2079
01:41:05,333 --> 01:41:08,613
Speaker 15: Street with water affected users are likely to be without

2080
01:41:08,652 --> 01:41:12,052
Speaker 15: water for at least five hours with blockages on the road.

2081
01:41:13,093 --> 01:41:16,093
Speaker 15: Two people are in hospital, one with serious injuries after

2082
01:41:16,213 --> 01:41:20,013
Speaker 15: a water incident at Taharu south of Kafia in Waikator.

2083
01:41:20,492 --> 01:41:25,093
Speaker 15: Five others involved didn't need hospital treatment. Expert advice and

2084
01:41:25,213 --> 01:41:28,812
Speaker 15: real life experiences to get you through menopause. Read the

2085
01:41:28,853 --> 01:41:32,133
Speaker 15: full story at enzid Herald Premium. Back now to Matt

2086
01:41:32,293 --> 01:41:33,333
Speaker 15: Heath and Tyler Adams.

2087
01:41:33,412 --> 01:41:34,612
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Railean.

2088
01:41:34,692 --> 01:41:37,492
Speaker 3: Now before the headlines you mentioned a story about of

2089
01:41:37,612 --> 01:41:40,652
Speaker 3: dust up on a Jetstar flight that got your job.

2090
01:41:40,772 --> 01:41:42,972
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't a jit Star flight. Actually we're talking

2091
01:41:43,053 --> 01:41:47,052
Speaker 2: about Jetstar and in New Zealand's ritability ratings are pretty even.

2092
01:41:47,133 --> 01:41:50,532
Speaker 2: Now I'm a big are New Zealand fan, but I

2093
01:41:50,692 --> 01:41:55,253
Speaker 2: have to thank Jetstar for this because Ian Stables a

2094
01:41:55,372 --> 01:41:55,932
Speaker 2: shock jock.

2095
01:41:56,213 --> 01:41:58,372
Speaker 8: Yes, he was.

2096
01:41:59,853 --> 01:42:04,052
Speaker 2: Coming to work at Radiohodaki and he had been hired,

2097
01:42:04,333 --> 01:42:06,372
Speaker 2: but before his first day on the job he got

2098
01:42:06,412 --> 01:42:10,572
Speaker 2: into a fight at a jet jit Star Kiosk. He

2099
01:42:10,732 --> 01:42:13,412
Speaker 2: was filmed in a dust up. He ended up with

2100
01:42:13,572 --> 01:42:16,652
Speaker 2: a couple of injuries. It was widely considered to be well.

2101
01:42:16,652 --> 01:42:19,492
Speaker 2: I'm not sure whose fault it was how it started,

2102
01:42:20,692 --> 01:42:24,013
Speaker 2: but he lost his job before it even started, and

2103
01:42:24,492 --> 01:42:26,093
Speaker 2: I got the call saying would you like to do

2104
01:42:26,772 --> 01:42:30,812
Speaker 2: a drive show on radio Hodaki And that's how I

2105
01:42:30,853 --> 01:42:33,532
Speaker 2: got got into radio. Radio was never gonna be in

2106
01:42:33,572 --> 01:42:37,293
Speaker 2: my career. But if that Jetstar counterwork it hadn't gone

2107
01:42:37,333 --> 01:42:39,013
Speaker 2: to a fight with the inn Stables, I wouldn't be

2108
01:42:39,053 --> 01:42:41,492
Speaker 2: here with you Tyler today and talking to the good

2109
01:42:41,572 --> 01:42:43,732
Speaker 2: people of News Talks in me.

2110
01:42:43,893 --> 01:42:46,333
Speaker 3: Thank you Jetstar and thank you Ian Stables. Bruce, how

2111
01:42:46,372 --> 01:42:48,293
Speaker 3: you doing you good?

2112
01:42:48,372 --> 01:42:48,892
Speaker 26: Thank you sir?

2113
01:42:49,253 --> 01:42:49,692
Speaker 2: Yeah good?

2114
01:42:50,013 --> 01:42:51,973
Speaker 3: You love your New Zealand. You're on met site on

2115
01:42:52,053 --> 01:42:52,372
Speaker 3: this one.

2116
01:42:53,492 --> 01:42:56,652
Speaker 26: Why ed Yeah, we've been over to gold Coach, Civil Twins,

2117
01:42:56,732 --> 01:42:58,812
Speaker 26: put the kids over and Da Da Da always playing

2118
01:42:58,893 --> 01:43:02,852
Speaker 26: in New Zealand. Get Star once, but it's not so

2119
01:43:02,933 --> 01:43:05,052
Speaker 26: much surprise to supporting the local airlines.

2120
01:43:05,532 --> 01:43:07,452
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so very patriarch.

2121
01:43:07,692 --> 01:43:10,012
Speaker 3: You want to see in New Zealand as our national

2122
01:43:10,093 --> 01:43:13,653
Speaker 3: airline do well and you will support them absolutely.

2123
01:43:13,732 --> 01:43:15,492
Speaker 26: If we don't use it, we'll lose its simple as that.

2124
01:43:15,853 --> 01:43:19,093
Speaker 26: And the staff have been fantastic over the years, no

2125
01:43:19,333 --> 01:43:24,133
Speaker 26: complaints at all. I think the youngest Chelsea was three

2126
01:43:24,213 --> 01:43:27,692
Speaker 26: months old when THEO the kids first time sat at

2127
01:43:27,692 --> 01:43:29,692
Speaker 26: the front of the plane. You know, if we cot,

2128
01:43:29,732 --> 01:43:32,892
Speaker 26: things folded down and the girls couldn't have been nicer.

2129
01:43:33,893 --> 01:43:37,372
Speaker 2: And we do own fifty percent. The New Zealand government

2130
01:43:37,412 --> 01:43:39,692
Speaker 2: owns fifty one percent of the New Zealand so you

2131
01:43:39,772 --> 01:43:44,412
Speaker 2: could argue patriotically that you could fly in New Zealand

2132
01:43:44,412 --> 01:43:46,293
Speaker 2: because we kind of own it. But then again you

2133
01:43:46,333 --> 01:43:50,692
Speaker 2: could also argue that in New Zealand doesn't really give

2134
01:43:50,772 --> 01:43:53,652
Speaker 2: us any any discounts on the fields. They certainly don't.

2135
01:43:53,652 --> 01:43:56,732
Speaker 3: So you see you flu Jetstar once, Bruce, was that

2136
01:43:56,893 --> 01:43:59,692
Speaker 3: an okay service that they offered was okay.

2137
01:43:59,973 --> 01:44:01,412
Speaker 26: Let's go back an awful long time ago.

2138
01:44:01,532 --> 01:44:03,692
Speaker 14: Now yeah, no, no, it was.

2139
01:44:03,692 --> 01:44:04,492
Speaker 20: As good as gold.

2140
01:44:04,572 --> 01:44:08,772
Speaker 26: But we're in tomorrow, so the only the only flights.

2141
01:44:08,853 --> 01:44:12,052
Speaker 26: Let it leaves tomorrow. You've got to go to Wellington

2142
01:44:12,173 --> 01:44:14,412
Speaker 26: and then do connecting flights from there. So obviously in

2143
01:44:14,492 --> 01:44:18,692
Speaker 26: New Zealand and even domestically from week places like tomorrow

2144
01:44:19,213 --> 01:44:20,292
Speaker 26: in newsand the Great.

2145
01:44:20,812 --> 01:44:23,093
Speaker 3: The price must upset you a little bit, though, Bruce.

2146
01:44:23,093 --> 01:44:25,893
Speaker 3: I mean that's good because a lot of people know

2147
01:44:26,053 --> 01:44:28,053
Speaker 3: the pain of trying to fly out of one of

2148
01:44:28,133 --> 01:44:32,412
Speaker 3: the regions. I'm originally from Nelson. Really expensive to get

2149
01:44:32,452 --> 01:44:35,093
Speaker 3: a flight from Nelson to Auckland, Wellington, christ It's just

2150
01:44:35,093 --> 01:44:36,053
Speaker 3: the way it's always been.

2151
01:44:36,133 --> 01:44:37,532
Speaker 2: That must upset you a little bit.

2152
01:44:38,652 --> 01:44:41,492
Speaker 26: It does, it does, it does, and we know that's

2153
01:44:41,492 --> 01:44:43,732
Speaker 26: nothing they can do. But they've been talking about doing

2154
01:44:43,772 --> 01:44:46,172
Speaker 26: more connecting flights from tomorrow to different places.

2155
01:44:46,213 --> 01:44:47,892
Speaker 18: But talk to talk.

2156
01:44:47,933 --> 01:44:49,572
Speaker 26: Whether or not it ever happens down the track, we'll

2157
01:44:49,612 --> 01:44:49,852
Speaker 26: never know.

2158
01:44:49,933 --> 01:44:51,293
Speaker 7: I don't think to be perfectly honest.

2159
01:44:51,412 --> 01:44:54,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, cool, you're a good New Zealander, Bruce patriotic.

2160
01:44:54,293 --> 01:44:57,093
Speaker 3: Alistair is on the opposite side of this, they get.

2161
01:44:57,013 --> 01:44:57,853
Speaker 2: A Alistair.

2162
01:44:59,013 --> 01:44:59,372
Speaker 5: Strange.

2163
01:44:59,492 --> 01:44:59,812
Speaker 8: Who are you?

2164
01:45:00,093 --> 01:45:03,652
Speaker 3: I've good my friends, So in New Zealand talk to

2165
01:45:03,772 --> 01:45:04,932
Speaker 3: us about in New Zealand.

2166
01:45:05,093 --> 01:45:05,932
Speaker 13: Yah, in New Zealand.

2167
01:45:06,692 --> 01:45:10,372
Speaker 12: I went to Queenstone last week and I looked two

2168
01:45:10,412 --> 01:45:12,812
Speaker 12: weeks ago to book a flight going down on a Friday.

2169
01:45:13,133 --> 01:45:16,612
Speaker 12: I'm back on a Sunday eight one hundred and forty

2170
01:45:16,732 --> 01:45:17,492
Speaker 12: eight dollars.

2171
01:45:18,933 --> 01:45:20,253
Speaker 8: Well is it?

2172
01:45:20,293 --> 01:45:21,812
Speaker 2: What that's there? And back?

2173
01:45:21,893 --> 01:45:25,372
Speaker 22: So return nine hundred and something something like three hundred

2174
01:45:25,372 --> 01:45:28,612
Speaker 22: and forty from Auckland to Queenstown on the Friday and

2175
01:45:28,732 --> 01:45:30,972
Speaker 22: then the Sunday was five hundred and thirty two from

2176
01:45:31,053 --> 01:45:34,173
Speaker 22: Queenstown to off so he I said to them, I

2177
01:45:34,253 --> 01:45:35,452
Speaker 22: can go to Thailand for.

2178
01:45:35,532 --> 01:45:38,852
Speaker 2: That hair close to the flight? Did you book Alistair?

2179
01:45:39,772 --> 01:45:42,333
Speaker 12: I was about three weeks out, but I went to

2180
01:45:42,412 --> 01:45:45,093
Speaker 12: get yeah, and I went to jet Star instead and.

2181
01:45:45,412 --> 01:45:46,932
Speaker 2: The gate did you get in an Air? And jet

2182
01:45:47,013 --> 01:45:47,492
Speaker 2: Star right?

2183
01:45:49,372 --> 01:45:50,452
Speaker 12: Eighty dollars return?

2184
01:45:50,893 --> 01:45:54,972
Speaker 2: Absolutely perfect, one hundred and eighty Did you say to eighty?

2185
01:45:57,412 --> 01:46:01,133
Speaker 3: Wow, almost seventy cheaper. That's a hek of a saving.

2186
01:46:01,412 --> 01:46:04,492
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, well there's no one there are New Zealand. Okay,

2187
01:46:04,612 --> 01:46:06,812
Speaker 12: your national airline, well whatever, I'm not national.

2188
01:46:06,893 --> 01:46:07,133
Speaker 17: I'm not.

2189
01:46:09,452 --> 01:46:11,093
Speaker 12: And I don't have a problem. But if you want

2190
01:46:11,133 --> 01:46:13,293
Speaker 12: to support them. But why they have the monopoly and

2191
01:46:13,333 --> 01:46:15,572
Speaker 12: they can charge what the hell they wake because they

2192
01:46:15,612 --> 01:46:17,572
Speaker 12: know that people have got no other options but to

2193
01:46:17,652 --> 01:46:20,892
Speaker 12: pay that price. I think it's a money grabbing thing

2194
01:46:20,973 --> 01:46:21,133
Speaker 12: to do.

2195
01:46:22,253 --> 01:46:24,973
Speaker 2: Whatever plane you're on, though, Alistair flying into Queenstown has

2196
01:46:25,053 --> 01:46:27,173
Speaker 2: quite an experience between the mountains. Did you have a

2197
01:46:27,213 --> 01:46:29,372
Speaker 2: clear day flying in?

2198
01:46:30,812 --> 01:46:32,852
Speaker 12: No, it's beautiful. I mean I've been decreased so well

2199
01:46:32,893 --> 01:46:36,732
Speaker 12: before I work different. It's stunning.

2200
01:46:37,213 --> 01:46:39,492
Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful flight to fly and you should

2201
01:46:39,692 --> 01:46:41,812
Speaker 2: maybe this needs to be a premium for the sight

2202
01:46:41,893 --> 01:46:42,772
Speaker 2: seeing as you fly in.

2203
01:46:43,452 --> 01:46:45,333
Speaker 3: Is that the best airport in New Zealand? Do you

2204
01:46:45,412 --> 01:46:49,612
Speaker 3: think in terms of the beauty aspect Queenstown.

2205
01:46:49,492 --> 01:46:53,293
Speaker 2: As you come into land probably is flying between the mountains? Yeah,

2206
01:46:53,293 --> 01:46:56,053
Speaker 2: the remarkables on one side, Yeah, I mean a lake

2207
01:46:56,133 --> 01:46:58,532
Speaker 2: on the other. Yeah. And it's I mean like there's

2208
01:46:58,532 --> 01:47:01,253
Speaker 2: other you know, like you'd think flying in the mountains

2209
01:47:01,293 --> 01:47:03,492
Speaker 2: would be a sort of a terrifying situation, but you

2210
01:47:03,532 --> 01:47:09,013
Speaker 2: know it's nothing on Wellington or Nap got off in

2211
01:47:09,093 --> 01:47:10,293
Speaker 2: some bad, bad landing.

2212
01:47:12,053 --> 01:47:17,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter, what's your thoughts on this one? Hello, you're

2213
01:47:17,933 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 3: on my friends.

2214
01:47:19,772 --> 01:47:22,412
Speaker 11: I didn't realize it's I've got a bit of a

2215
01:47:22,492 --> 01:47:25,093
Speaker 11: balance on find out they have a bit of a

2216
01:47:25,173 --> 01:47:30,253
Speaker 11: grizzle about in New Zealand. Long story, short Christmas Last

2217
01:47:30,293 --> 01:47:33,213
Speaker 11: Christmas has been booked a holiday from a WI from

2218
01:47:33,213 --> 01:47:37,412
Speaker 11: the south to Hawaii. Bookd accommodation all there above. About

2219
01:47:37,452 --> 01:47:41,452
Speaker 11: four weeks out from the actual flights in May, we'll

2220
01:47:41,492 --> 01:47:43,972
Speaker 11: go to email saying sorry we're bumped you off those

2221
01:47:44,053 --> 01:47:48,413
Speaker 11: flights and you're now going three days earlier. No explanation

2222
01:47:48,732 --> 01:47:52,012
Speaker 11: no reasons, no apologies, know nothing.

2223
01:47:52,093 --> 01:47:52,532
Speaker 9: Basically.

2224
01:47:54,372 --> 01:47:56,772
Speaker 11: The other thing was, we've got this paid by the

2225
01:47:56,853 --> 01:48:00,012
Speaker 11: extra for seats, were a bit more room still cattle class,

2226
01:48:00,053 --> 01:48:04,893
Speaker 11: but paid extra for seats. Long story short, Yes, but

2227
01:48:05,133 --> 01:48:07,572
Speaker 11: we had no choice ranging up about it. That couldn't

2228
01:48:07,572 --> 01:48:10,412
Speaker 11: do anything about it. No, he saw no reason given

2229
01:48:10,492 --> 01:48:13,692
Speaker 11: why and we couldn't even so we had to go

2230
01:48:13,772 --> 01:48:16,573
Speaker 11: on another flight otherwise we'd have to lose all our accommodation.

2231
01:48:17,973 --> 01:48:20,692
Speaker 11: And yeah, bodm story was. And when they put us

2232
01:48:20,732 --> 01:48:24,253
Speaker 11: on the earlier flight three days earlier, we couldn't get

2233
01:48:24,293 --> 01:48:28,133
Speaker 11: the special seats either, was stuck in the paca little seats.

2234
01:48:29,173 --> 01:48:32,253
Speaker 3: And did they sort it out to you know, to

2235
01:48:32,372 --> 01:48:34,333
Speaker 3: your liking in the end, I mean, that's a it's

2236
01:48:34,372 --> 01:48:35,732
Speaker 3: a crazy experience to be in.

2237
01:48:36,933 --> 01:48:37,732
Speaker 8: No, not at all.

2238
01:48:38,053 --> 01:48:40,852
Speaker 11: There was it were go three days earlier or we

2239
01:48:40,933 --> 01:48:43,093
Speaker 11: had the option to cancel, but that wasn't an option

2240
01:48:43,173 --> 01:48:47,253
Speaker 11: because then we'd lose out our accommodation just to balance

2241
01:48:47,293 --> 01:48:49,612
Speaker 11: out up there. Once we were on the flight, the

2242
01:48:49,732 --> 01:48:55,053
Speaker 11: staff they were fantastic, actually they were fantastic, but any

2243
01:48:55,173 --> 01:48:57,772
Speaker 11: zee on themselves would never fly with them again if

2244
01:48:57,812 --> 01:48:58,532
Speaker 11: we had a choice.

2245
01:48:59,013 --> 01:49:01,333
Speaker 3: How long How long did it take you to get

2246
01:49:01,412 --> 01:49:04,213
Speaker 3: through to customer service to try and explain this is crazy,

2247
01:49:04,293 --> 01:49:05,093
Speaker 3: what's going on here?

2248
01:49:06,213 --> 01:49:06,412
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2249
01:49:06,572 --> 01:49:11,732
Speaker 11: Probably stand a half hour wasn't too bad, but yeah

2250
01:49:12,173 --> 01:49:16,293
Speaker 11: the girl at an anxious No, I'll apologize on their behalf.

2251
01:49:16,372 --> 01:49:17,732
Speaker 11: Well yeah, right, thanks.

2252
01:49:18,293 --> 01:49:20,253
Speaker 3: It only takes one situation like that to put you

2253
01:49:20,293 --> 01:49:22,532
Speaker 3: off the national carrier, though, I take it, Matt, you've

2254
01:49:22,652 --> 01:49:27,093
Speaker 3: had exemplary service from me in New Zealand pretty much

2255
01:49:27,133 --> 01:49:28,012
Speaker 3: your whole flying career.

2256
01:49:28,333 --> 01:49:30,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. Although I had a recent thing where

2257
01:49:30,293 --> 01:49:33,172
Speaker 2: I was running late for my flight and I arrived

2258
01:49:33,772 --> 01:49:35,492
Speaker 2: and I was within the half an hour. I was

2259
01:49:35,572 --> 01:49:38,333
Speaker 2: after the half an hour window, right, And there's a

2260
01:49:38,372 --> 01:49:41,293
Speaker 2: weird thing with airlines where they think they can tell

2261
01:49:41,333 --> 01:49:43,053
Speaker 2: you off. It's like either I can get on the

2262
01:49:43,093 --> 01:49:45,333
Speaker 2: flight or not. But I got this big lecture. It

2263
01:49:45,492 --> 01:49:48,452
Speaker 2: was like, you can't arrive here within you're too late

2264
01:49:48,532 --> 01:49:50,372
Speaker 2: to get on the plane. You can't get on the plane.

2265
01:49:50,652 --> 01:49:52,133
Speaker 2: What do you think? I got this big telling off?

2266
01:49:52,173 --> 01:49:54,372
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, you're okay, well I can't

2267
01:49:54,372 --> 01:49:56,213
Speaker 2: get on, so just say that inform me I can't

2268
01:49:56,253 --> 01:49:59,133
Speaker 2: get on a bit. It's still broken the rules. Yeah,

2269
01:49:59,293 --> 01:50:02,173
Speaker 2: breaking rules, school teacher, you know, that's fine, I'll pay

2270
01:50:02,213 --> 01:50:04,732
Speaker 2: the price. Yeah, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2271
01:50:04,772 --> 01:50:06,532
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Peter, I got to take a

2272
01:50:06,572 --> 01:50:07,732
Speaker 2: break back in a sick.

2273
01:50:09,253 --> 01:50:11,652
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty

2274
01:50:11,893 --> 01:50:13,933
Speaker 1: eighties and Taylor Adams.

2275
01:50:13,692 --> 01:50:17,053
Speaker 3: Afternoons you for twenty twenty four News Talk said, be

2276
01:50:18,452 --> 01:50:21,732
Speaker 3: good afternoon. We are talking about Air New Zealand versus Jets.

2277
01:50:22,053 --> 01:50:24,893
Speaker 3: Great story in the Herald today by Grant Bradley in

2278
01:50:25,093 --> 01:50:29,173
Speaker 3: terms of their cancelations and departing on time. Both the

2279
01:50:29,213 --> 01:50:33,053
Speaker 3: airlines are actually pretty close now and what's been your experience.

2280
01:50:34,812 --> 01:50:37,692
Speaker 27: A little bit different. I'm not referring to Jets, I'm

2281
01:50:37,692 --> 01:50:41,013
Speaker 27: referring to a new yelling comparing with Barrier Air who

2282
01:50:41,893 --> 01:50:44,452
Speaker 27: have just started servicing Kerry Carey to Auckland.

2283
01:50:44,812 --> 01:50:44,972
Speaker 2: Right.

2284
01:50:46,133 --> 01:50:50,612
Speaker 27: The price is basically Barrier Air offering its half half

2285
01:50:50,692 --> 01:50:53,053
Speaker 27: the price that your New Zealand are. And you know,

2286
01:50:53,213 --> 01:50:56,293
Speaker 27: like I'm looking at booking a month out and you're

2287
01:50:56,333 --> 01:51:00,052
Speaker 27: looking comparing going from Kerry three to Auckland one hundred

2288
01:51:00,133 --> 01:51:03,772
Speaker 27: and I think it's one hundred and seventy nine for

2289
01:51:04,452 --> 01:51:07,253
Speaker 27: in New Zealand and about sixty nine to eighty nine

2290
01:51:07,333 --> 01:51:08,013
Speaker 27: for barrier air.

2291
01:51:08,492 --> 01:51:09,452
Speaker 2: Wow, so great.

2292
01:51:09,732 --> 01:51:11,933
Speaker 3: Is it just Kierrie Curriy to Auckland or do they

2293
01:51:12,013 --> 01:51:13,253
Speaker 3: flying to fung at a as well?

2294
01:51:14,452 --> 01:51:17,013
Speaker 27: No, they don't find fung and I unfortunately that I

2295
01:51:17,053 --> 01:51:21,293
Speaker 27: think they're doing how wrong A very here on. I

2296
01:51:21,412 --> 01:51:22,652
Speaker 27: can't quite remember where.

2297
01:51:22,492 --> 01:51:22,732
Speaker 13: They go.

2298
01:51:24,492 --> 01:51:26,333
Speaker 2: Are How big are those planes?

2299
01:51:26,412 --> 01:51:27,972
Speaker 27: And oh they're smaller?

2300
01:51:28,133 --> 01:51:29,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, little little little wee planes.

2301
01:51:30,293 --> 01:51:32,412
Speaker 27: Yeah they're a bit smaller. But I mean, you know,

2302
01:51:32,692 --> 01:51:35,772
Speaker 27: like you think you'd be paying a bit more, wouldn't

2303
01:51:35,772 --> 01:51:39,892
Speaker 27: you have a premium for a smaller plane flying less people.

2304
01:51:40,133 --> 01:51:42,213
Speaker 2: That must be one of the most canceled flights though

2305
01:51:42,412 --> 01:51:46,572
Speaker 2: in New Zealand out of care carey my kids have

2306
01:51:46,652 --> 01:51:48,213
Speaker 2: gone up there to holiday quite a lot, and on

2307
01:51:48,253 --> 01:51:50,532
Speaker 2: a number occasions they've ended up on the bus on

2308
01:51:50,612 --> 01:51:52,253
Speaker 2: the way back because the flights have just beginning.

2309
01:51:52,412 --> 01:51:55,333
Speaker 27: Yeah, well, I wanted to go all the way to

2310
01:51:55,452 --> 01:51:58,213
Speaker 27: New Plymouth, but in New Zealand prices are just crazy,

2311
01:51:58,492 --> 01:52:01,173
Speaker 27: like it's it's shocking, So I'd have to go to

2312
01:52:01,213 --> 01:52:03,253
Speaker 27: Auckland and then travel with my dad's reach of the.

2313
01:52:03,253 --> 01:52:03,772
Speaker 12: Way in the car.

2314
01:52:04,093 --> 01:52:07,612
Speaker 2: Yeah it sounds here petrol, which is I know odd

2315
01:52:07,772 --> 01:52:09,533
Speaker 2: to hear sounds.

2316
01:52:09,213 --> 01:52:11,532
Speaker 3: Here is another one that it flies out of Blenham,

2317
01:52:11,532 --> 01:52:13,652
Speaker 3: obviously being the Mulbra sounds, but I think it goes

2318
01:52:13,812 --> 01:52:18,692
Speaker 3: to maybe not Wellington but Carpety Nelson hairy flights. I've

2319
01:52:18,732 --> 01:52:21,612
Speaker 3: got to say she's pretty low and pretty tight in there.

2320
01:52:21,973 --> 01:52:24,812
Speaker 3: But in terms of savings, I think from memory the

2321
01:52:24,893 --> 01:52:27,692
Speaker 3: last time I flew from Blenham to Wellington it was

2322
01:52:27,692 --> 01:52:29,452
Speaker 3: about eighty bucks and I thought, oh that's good.

2323
01:52:29,933 --> 01:52:35,492
Speaker 27: Wow yeah, yeah right, definitely putting them through their paces.

2324
01:52:35,893 --> 01:52:38,532
Speaker 3: He care bury it, Yeah, but yeah, it is. It's

2325
01:52:38,572 --> 01:52:41,452
Speaker 3: a cozy experience. I think it was an eight seater,

2326
01:52:41,853 --> 01:52:43,973
Speaker 3: so you get to know everyone really well, including the

2327
01:52:44,093 --> 01:52:46,812
Speaker 3: pilots because you can see the pilot. There's no bloody cockpit.

2328
01:52:46,893 --> 01:52:48,612
Speaker 3: Well there is a cockpit, but there's no doors.

2329
01:52:48,732 --> 01:52:48,932
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2330
01:52:48,973 --> 01:52:52,852
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the plane's sort of box shaped, doesn't it?

2331
01:52:53,013 --> 01:52:53,692
Speaker 2: Box shape?

2332
01:52:53,853 --> 01:52:54,053
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2333
01:52:54,853 --> 01:52:56,812
Speaker 2: And in terms of turbulence, I mean the whole way.

2334
01:52:56,893 --> 01:52:58,892
Speaker 2: There's turbulence the whole way. But that's like it, that's

2335
01:52:58,933 --> 01:53:01,293
Speaker 2: like a high adrenaline. That's a bonus. You pay extra

2336
01:53:01,412 --> 01:53:05,093
Speaker 2: for that, that adrenaline of the small plane and experiencing

2337
01:53:05,293 --> 01:53:07,732
Speaker 2: the wind conditions and the weather.

2338
01:53:07,973 --> 01:53:09,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point next to you if you

2339
01:53:09,652 --> 01:53:11,812
Speaker 3: go well watching on the plane and quite quarter there's yeah,

2340
01:53:11,853 --> 01:53:12,572
Speaker 3: three hundred bucks.

2341
01:53:12,612 --> 01:53:14,333
Speaker 2: I got this for eighty bucks. Yeah, like people are

2342
01:53:14,532 --> 01:53:17,133
Speaker 2: flying big planes into Queens Down and going bungee jumping.

2343
01:53:17,692 --> 01:53:19,812
Speaker 2: You just get on burier ear and you'll experience you

2344
01:53:19,933 --> 01:53:24,492
Speaker 2: ex experienced some real safe adrenaline on your on your commute, Daniel,

2345
01:53:24,572 --> 01:53:25,053
Speaker 2: How are you doing?

2346
01:53:26,173 --> 01:53:26,253
Speaker 15: Hi?

2347
01:53:26,452 --> 01:53:26,612
Speaker 27: Good?

2348
01:53:26,692 --> 01:53:28,013
Speaker 17: Did I can I trouble you?

2349
01:53:28,133 --> 01:53:32,333
Speaker 28: Something different regarding jud Star please right? A friend of

2350
01:53:32,412 --> 01:53:36,893
Speaker 28: mine she went to Wellington last week just through the

2351
01:53:36,973 --> 01:53:41,213
Speaker 28: carry bag and the ladies handbag. Now she went and

2352
01:53:41,333 --> 01:53:44,732
Speaker 28: she came back after three days with the same thing.

2353
01:53:44,812 --> 01:53:47,333
Speaker 28: What happened when she was getting off at the offline

2354
01:53:47,372 --> 01:53:51,132
Speaker 28: airport her carry on luggage. When she's getting off the plane,

2355
01:53:51,652 --> 01:53:55,133
Speaker 28: they did the pay on the carry on luggage. And

2356
01:53:55,372 --> 01:53:59,732
Speaker 28: where this poor old ladies she has to pay seventy dollars?

2357
01:54:00,253 --> 01:54:02,932
Speaker 2: So hey match, she was charged getting off the plane.

2358
01:54:03,732 --> 01:54:06,093
Speaker 17: Off the plane because I travel a lot normally with

2359
01:54:06,253 --> 01:54:08,572
Speaker 17: carry on luggage. It's got to wait, infre how are

2360
01:54:08,572 --> 01:54:09,173
Speaker 17: you going here?

2361
01:54:09,692 --> 01:54:09,812
Speaker 8: Right?

2362
01:54:11,133 --> 01:54:13,412
Speaker 17: And when she was getting off in Rollington, because when

2363
01:54:13,412 --> 01:54:15,892
Speaker 17: I went and pick her up and she took exactly

2364
01:54:15,973 --> 01:54:18,892
Speaker 17: the same thing. And see what chance seventy dollars say

2365
01:54:18,973 --> 01:54:20,412
Speaker 17: they said slightly overweight.

2366
01:54:20,893 --> 01:54:22,852
Speaker 3: So how did they weigh it when she was getting off?

2367
01:54:22,933 --> 01:54:24,732
Speaker 3: Did she have to go to a way station? Then

2368
01:54:24,772 --> 01:54:26,133
Speaker 3: she got off the plane for what.

2369
01:54:27,093 --> 01:54:28,972
Speaker 17: She said, they had the scale there or something.

2370
01:54:29,612 --> 01:54:32,293
Speaker 18: Wow, and there was a big ramy there they're weighing,

2371
01:54:32,333 --> 01:54:33,653
Speaker 18: you know, and look at cloth.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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01:54:34,253 --> 01:54:35,972
Speaker 3: I wouldn't pay Getty. I wouldn't be in the queue.

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01:54:36,053 --> 01:54:38,293
Speaker 3: I'd jumped the barrier and start running for the doors.

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01:54:38,293 --> 01:54:39,093
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be doing that.

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01:54:39,093 --> 01:54:40,933
Speaker 2: Once you're on the ground. You know, once you're on

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01:54:40,973 --> 01:54:43,533
Speaker 2: the ground, they don't own you anymore. Exactly, suckers, You

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01:54:43,533 --> 01:54:45,133
Speaker 2: should have done it before I jumped on the plane.

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01:54:45,173 --> 01:54:47,453
Speaker 2: Wave me on the way in, on the way off,

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Speaker 2: no way.

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It is nine

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01:54:51,613 --> 01:54:52,253
Speaker 3: minutes to four.

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01:54:53,772 --> 01:54:57,133
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:54:57,493 --> 01:55:01,213
Speaker 1: everything in between. Mat heat and Tyler Adams Afternoons you

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01:55:01,413 --> 01:55:05,053
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four US Talk, say'd be coming up

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Speaker 1: at four. It's hither duple c Allen Drive.

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01:55:08,333 --> 01:55:09,573
Speaker 2: It's d day for Darlene.

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01:55:09,653 --> 01:55:11,533
Speaker 29: The Green Party is going to decide tonight whether or

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01:55:11,573 --> 01:55:14,373
Speaker 29: not to ouse the controversial former Green MP from parliament.

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01:55:14,653 --> 01:55:16,333
Speaker 29: Labour leader Chris Hopkins is going to be with us.

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01:55:16,373 --> 01:55:17,893
Speaker 29: He makes the case for why we should bring just

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01:55:18,013 --> 01:55:21,052
Speaker 29: into Urdurn back into public life. Plus do you shop

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01:55:21,093 --> 01:55:23,413
Speaker 29: at Timouth? Do you feel bad about it because there's

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01:55:23,413 --> 01:55:25,253
Speaker 29: new research into why it's actually bad news?

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01:55:26,253 --> 01:55:29,852
Speaker 1: Getting the answers you deserve either duplicy Ellen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand next on NEWSTALKSMB.

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Speaker 3: Six minutes to four texts here get our guys in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. Oh sorry, Rather, I've just returned from a

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Speaker 3: trip overseas using multiple airlines Malaysia Airlines, easy Jet in KLM,

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01:55:43,173 --> 01:55:45,213
Speaker 3: and I have to say I really missed their New Zealand.

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01:55:45,453 --> 01:55:47,733
Speaker 3: I really don't think it's anything physical that makes Air

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01:55:47,772 --> 01:55:49,293
Speaker 3: New Zealand better, but good old.

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01:55:49,213 --> 01:55:51,132
Speaker 2: Kiwi hospitality agreed.

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01:55:51,213 --> 01:55:53,693
Speaker 3: When I was at the Auckland and Wellington airports, the

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01:55:53,772 --> 01:55:57,293
Speaker 3: staff couldn't do enough to help me, whereas at other

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01:55:57,413 --> 01:56:00,533
Speaker 3: airports around overseas, I felt like I was just another passenger.

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01:56:00,812 --> 01:56:03,052
Speaker 3: My only gripe with Air New Zealand is the price.

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01:56:03,453 --> 01:56:05,852
Speaker 3: They can't win it everything from Katie nice.

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Speaker 2: X, Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. Feel you feel

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01:56:07,812 --> 01:56:09,693
Speaker 2: at home when you on any New Zealand flight especially

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01:56:09,772 --> 01:56:13,613
Speaker 2: flying in from overseas. Now I've I've been raging. You

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01:56:13,733 --> 01:56:16,972
Speaker 2: have been raging hard. I mean very very positive about

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01:56:16,973 --> 01:56:19,253
Speaker 2: in New Zealand every way, but I've been raging hard

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01:56:19,493 --> 01:56:22,053
Speaker 2: against their safety videos and then being too long. This

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01:56:22,173 --> 01:56:24,213
Speaker 2: is a big one, yea yeah, And the eighth wonder

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01:56:24,253 --> 01:56:27,132
Speaker 2: of the world, eighth wonder of the world one is torture.

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01:56:27,533 --> 01:56:30,293
Speaker 2: I've got that plane at the moment. Sometimes I can't

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01:56:30,333 --> 01:56:33,453
Speaker 2: take any of the taka hawan. That was rough. But

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd be positive because I think initially they

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Speaker 2: were very good. I think initially at the start it

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01:56:37,653 --> 01:56:39,733
Speaker 2: was a real novelty and I was quite proud of them.

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01:56:39,733 --> 01:56:41,573
Speaker 2: I saying, oh, in New Zealand's doing something different, and

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01:56:41,653 --> 01:56:44,293
Speaker 2: they became they went viral around the world. People were

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01:56:44,373 --> 01:56:46,573
Speaker 2: very you know, they were in New Zealand, were getting

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01:56:46,693 --> 01:56:48,812
Speaker 2: global advertising and they were getting millions and millions of

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01:56:48,853 --> 01:56:51,373
Speaker 2: views on them, Awards glow for those safety videos around

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01:56:51,373 --> 01:56:54,373
Speaker 2: and then there was an awkward wrap one that nearly

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01:56:54,493 --> 01:56:56,613
Speaker 2: ended the careers of everyone and they got taken off

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01:56:56,693 --> 01:56:59,133
Speaker 2: early and things fell off a cliff after that one.

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Speaker 2: So I want to go back and be a positive

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Speaker 2: person and celebrate the five best ones of all time.

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Speaker 3: All right, so let's start at number five.

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01:57:05,893 --> 01:57:08,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So the Richie McCaw. You know, you got

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01:57:08,933 --> 01:57:11,293
Speaker 2: a Graham Henry, the who Loves Who the most? Twenty

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Speaker 2: and eleven one was that the men and Black one. No,

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01:57:13,213 --> 01:57:17,253
Speaker 2: I wasn't all right? Okay, er five yep. Then there

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Speaker 2: was the nude one. You remember the nude one.

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Speaker 8: I think.

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01:57:22,413 --> 01:57:25,613
Speaker 2: Body painted riskue risk. Everyone was the nerd.

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Speaker 5: That was good.

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01:57:28,533 --> 01:57:30,493
Speaker 2: This is the official list, just made up by me,

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01:57:30,693 --> 01:57:33,852
Speaker 2: just pulled out of my out of my mind. Then

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01:57:33,893 --> 01:57:36,333
Speaker 2: there was the Lord of the Rings one twenty fourteen.

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01:57:36,413 --> 01:57:38,852
Speaker 2: You've got gandalf on an Eagle, You've got Elija Wooden.

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01:57:38,933 --> 01:57:42,453
Speaker 2: There the twenty twelve Sports illustrated Cook Islands Models on

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01:57:42,493 --> 01:57:44,013
Speaker 2: the Beach shoot one. I was a big fan of

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01:57:44,093 --> 01:57:47,772
Speaker 2: that one. And the number one, the feel good Northland

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01:57:47,933 --> 01:57:51,453
Speaker 2: Rachel Hunter and other famous kiwis driving around. You got

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01:57:51,493 --> 01:57:53,973
Speaker 2: Scott Dixon in there. I believe Mike Costking might have

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01:57:54,013 --> 01:57:55,653
Speaker 2: been on it at one point. That could be wrong.

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01:57:56,093 --> 01:57:58,533
Speaker 2: There you go, that's that's the best one. Fantastic, That

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01:57:58,573 --> 01:58:00,293
Speaker 2: always made me feel good. That one. You've got money

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01:58:00,533 --> 01:58:03,852
Speaker 2: not high. I'm feeling patriotically suddenly weather. It was a

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01:58:03,893 --> 01:58:06,932
Speaker 2: beautiful advertising for our country. Yeah in New Zealand all

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01:58:06,973 --> 01:58:07,173
Speaker 2: the way.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you now, thank you for very much for

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01:58:08,933 --> 01:58:11,773
Speaker 3: today Friday tomorrow, which means.

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01:58:11,973 --> 01:58:16,613
Speaker 2: We announce the Matt and Tyler New Zealander of the Week.

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01:58:16,693 --> 01:58:19,373
Speaker 3: And we've also got topical tunes. I know what story

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01:58:19,653 --> 01:58:21,932
Speaker 3: I'm hanging my song on. Do you know what you're

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01:58:21,933 --> 01:58:22,413
Speaker 3: picking yet?

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01:58:22,453 --> 01:58:24,972
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolute one hundred percent. I've got my song picked already,

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01:58:25,013 --> 01:58:27,533
Speaker 2: and this something major happens between now and then. I

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01:58:27,613 --> 01:58:29,373
Speaker 2: know what song I'm playing. This is going to be good.

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Speaker 3: To have a great rest of your night, and we'll

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01:58:31,173 --> 01:58:33,653
Speaker 3: see you safe and sound tomorrow. See you ladd up

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Speaker 3: and give them a taste of Keiwi from me.

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Speaker 1: For more from News Talk sed B, listen live on

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Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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