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Speaker 1: Twenty away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's

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Speaker 1: International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely for you.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening, we have Tris

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Speaker 2: Sherson of Shehirson, Willis pr and Joe SPEGANI CEO of

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Speaker 2: Child Found. Hello you too, Hello Hello? You were giggling

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Speaker 2: all the way through that trash? Did this just remind

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Speaker 2: you of your day job?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I just I absolutely love it. And what I'm worried

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Speaker 4: about now is am I going to be consigned to

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Speaker 4: the bill the bin of corporate wankery? Because I am

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Speaker 4: quite a big LinkedIn user and quite a big proponent

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Speaker 4: of linclin.

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Speaker 2: No, what's the value of lincodin?

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Speaker 1: So tell it.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you my journey, which is another

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Speaker 4: terrible corporate Back in the day, I was one of

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Speaker 4: those people. I actually called LinkedIn Facebook for accountants and

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Speaker 4: I laughed in its face, haha LinkedIn. But what I

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Speaker 4: have actually found is that LinkedIn now it's gone from

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Speaker 4: the place where everyone's just saying I'm proud to or whatever.

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Speaker 4: It's an incredible place for learning. If you want to

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Speaker 4: learn about AI, you go on to LinkedIn and you

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Speaker 4: follow the right people, amazing learning. It is at its heart,

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Speaker 4: LinkedIn is an educational tool. That's what it was formed for,

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Speaker 4: and I think there's been a huge maturity in the users.

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Speaker 4: As someone who works in communications, I have never had

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Speaker 4: such a data rich, real time ANALYTICOL tool for clients.

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Speaker 4: It is actually fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So there we go. I'm you know, I'm I'm admits.

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Speaker 2: I think we've I think we've got the cut of

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Speaker 2: herd job now haven't we? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I can't stand LinkedIn honestly, I get any more alerts

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Speaker 3: about people's skills, people's new jobsnisaries, new jobs anniversaries, and

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Speaker 3: so I've banned meetings in our organization or you can

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Speaker 3: have them, but you've got to stand up so that

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Speaker 3: it lasts too long.

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Speaker 5: But the serious ways of pushing back on this virus

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Speaker 5: is as as the as James the author called it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's things like powerpoints, isn't it. We all

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Speaker 5: know that most people do really stupid, shitty powerpoints with

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Speaker 5: way too many words on them, and they always go,

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Speaker 5: I don't expect you to read this, but I'm just

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Speaker 5: going to talk to it. Well, why did you put

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Speaker 5: it up there? If we can't read it. So what

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Speaker 5: happens is everybody starts to think that it's actually like

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Speaker 5: a secret handshake. You have to talk in this jargon

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Speaker 5: rich language, and you have to do a really bad

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Speaker 5: PowerPoint with thousands of words on one slide and font

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Speaker 5: nine in order to sort of look like you know

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Speaker 5: what you're talking about it. So it's going to Honestly,

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Speaker 5: there's a pushback on this. And I work in development,

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Speaker 5: aid and development. There are so much jargoning words in that,

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Speaker 5: like we talk about sustainable livelihoods when we actually just

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Speaker 5: mean jobs. And why we can't just like talk like humans.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. So no, I think this is wonderful.

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Speaker 5: I absolutely love it because we have to push back

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Speaker 5: on and we're going to talk about education. I've heard

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Speaker 5: somebody in this kind of you know, public sector corporate language.

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Speaker 5: So I've talk about scaffolding of the scaffolders of learning

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Speaker 5: to describe a teacher, and it's like, the hell are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that just teaches. Thank you, thank you for pointing

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Speaker 2: out some home truths that Josie, right, Trisha, I do

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Speaker 2: want to wear education. But let's talk about the tariff's

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Speaker 2: revery quickly. It doesn't sound to me like there's any

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Speaker 2: chance we're going to get Trump to go go, you know,

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Speaker 2: to go from fifteen down to ten percent.

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Speaker 4: Is it you no chance at all? No, that that

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Speaker 4: ship has sailed. And remember I think we had this

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Speaker 4: if Ozzie's got ten percent tariff and we've got fifteen,

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Speaker 4: effectively we've got five percent over them. So it's not

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Speaker 4: great for New Zealand. But I don't think it's a

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Speaker 4: surprise that it was coming, and I think probably the

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's great for the government in terms

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Speaker 4: And I just think overall again it's not good for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, what do you think, Josie, I think this.

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Speaker 5: Is going to really hurt us. And I don't think

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Speaker 5: we've quite grasped how much you take just one sector,

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Speaker 5: ten to fifteen percent. And I wrote about this last

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Speaker 5: year before the US election, and we now have let's

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Speaker 5: just be realistic, we have a higher tariff than Russia.

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Speaker 5: In other words, we're being treated worse than Russia. And

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Speaker 5: I think we do have some negotiating power. So they

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Speaker 5: announced this higher fifteen per cent tariff the day after

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Speaker 5: the FBI office was announced that we're having a New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: I think they can say, until you treat us better

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Speaker 2: You know what, I think we know we've got a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a little bit of leverage, but we

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Speaker 2: were too scared to use it in case more stuff

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Speaker 2: came at us. But well talked Nichola Willis about it

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Speaker 2: when she's with us.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle. We've got Joe SPEGANI

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Speaker 2: and Tricious and so Josie, what do you think of

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Speaker 2: getting rid of NCEA.

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Speaker 5: The right thing to do. I mean, this is potentially

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Speaker 5: the most transformational thing the government has done so far,

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Speaker 5: and I think whatever your political persuasions, they deserve credit

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Speaker 5: for it. And they've done it sooner than I thought.

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Speaker 5: And I think the opposition I saw Willow Jene Prime

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Speaker 5: from Labor, you know, accusing Erica Stanford of rushing changes

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Speaker 5: through now for political expediency. Well, getting things done really

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Speaker 5: a really good thing, and I think it would be

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Speaker 5: better of Labor kind of got behind this because Erica

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Speaker 5: Stanford has done this with a panel of principles. She

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Speaker 5: government where a lunatic government we're going to make these changes.

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Speaker 5: She's actually done it with the sector as much as

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Speaker 5: So no, this is I think this is a really

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Speaker 5: good thing. People are saying devil's in the detail. Well

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Speaker 5: we know that NCA hasn't worked as a parent, I've

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Speaker 5: never understood it. My eldest boy got a whole bunch

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Speaker 5: of credits and excellence for being top of his class

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Speaker 5: for coming up with the most words for penis and vagina,

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Speaker 5: So you go, what the.

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Speaker 1: Hell is it?

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Speaker 5: For real?

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's for real.

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Speaker 5: Yes, this is years ago, but that's you know, that's

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Speaker 5: the kind of thing that they were doing. Were you thinking?

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Speaker 5: And he's done all right, But a lot of kids

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Speaker 5: in the system under NCA, well you know, are not

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Speaker 2: So it's a good Do you think she's PM material?

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Speaker 2: And this is apropos the columns at.

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Speaker 4: The weekend, Well you asked why Erica was MVP, and

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Speaker 4: it goes to Josie's statement, this is not a rush job.

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Speaker 4: This is a rare minister who has spent many years

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Speaker 4: developing detailed, detailed policy and as a minister. She has

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Speaker 4: worked through this absolutely methodically. She is one of the

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Speaker 4: few ministers. In your interview with her, she is giving

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Speaker 4: you actually the nuts and bolts. She's not falling into

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Speaker 4: the trap that the Prime Minister and other ministers do

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Speaker 4: now where they spend all of their answers to questions

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Speaker 4: on these shows and others just stating what the problem is. Well,

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Speaker 4: we all know what the problem is. We want to

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Speaker 2: Do about it.

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Speaker 4: So I am a big fan. She is one of

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Speaker 4: the best things National has going for it in terms

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Speaker 4: of getting the women's vote back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you the number of women who are

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Speaker 4: literally fangirling on Eric Stanford because as mothers, they go,

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Speaker 4: here's a person who gets it, who is practical. She's

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Speaker 4: got her hands on the clay. She deeply understands what's happening,

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Speaker 4: and she's rolling out these big changes. I love the

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Speaker 4: NCAA stuff. What I also love is, as she alluded to,

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Speaker 4: she's going to next roll out twice yearly assessments so

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Speaker 4: parents will know exactly where their kids are at. It's

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Speaker 4: all fantastic and I think that is why she's a

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Speaker 4: great communicator. She really knows her stuff. She cares about

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Speaker 4: policy and detail, not just so you know content on

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Speaker 4: social media. I think that's why people are talking about

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Speaker 4: her as PM material.

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Speaker 2: That's the one can your breath there, Josie.

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Speaker 5: I did, just because I do think we still got

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Speaker 5: to acknowledge why on earth it was that the NCA

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Speaker 5: system came into place in the first place, and it

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Speaker 5: was to look at those kids who don't well in exams.

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Speaker 5: Are they being assessed in other ways that we could

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Speaker 5: work out, Okay, this kid has actually got a career

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Speaker 5: path here. So there is some good stuff in the NCEA.

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Speaker 5: The kids that aren't going to do well in exams

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Speaker 5: deserve some way of indicating what they're going to be

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Speaker 5: good at in terms of their jobs. And I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, look, if that's where labor can come in

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Speaker 5: and go, hey, let's keep let's keep what's good and

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Speaker 5: check out what's bad, and let's work together on something

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Speaker 5: that's going to benefit.

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Speaker 4: But the problem is for our kids, Josie, we have

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Speaker 4: then engineered a system all one way. So we engineered

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Speaker 4: a system all around kids who weren't good at exams. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and that has it's dumbed down the whole thing and

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Speaker 4: made it unusable.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. Hey guys, thank you so much, really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Trishason Sharson Willis prj Spguani, CEO of Chant Fund.

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