1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,147 Speaker 1: from News Talks b with us. 3 00:00:13,587 --> 00:00:14,787 Speaker 2: How are you getting on mate? 4 00:00:15,867 --> 00:00:16,547 Speaker 3: Uh? 5 00:00:16,787 --> 00:00:22,707 Speaker 4: Kid A poney, Rugby sucks, winter sucks. If Donald Trump 6 00:00:22,707 --> 00:00:24,387 Speaker 4: wants to burn the world to the ground, I'm here 7 00:00:24,427 --> 00:00:24,707 Speaker 4: for it. 8 00:00:25,427 --> 00:00:29,387 Speaker 3: Go ahead and make my day. Yeah, I'm okay, I am. 9 00:00:29,627 --> 00:00:31,747 Speaker 2: I sat in the press conference last night with Clayton 10 00:00:31,827 --> 00:00:34,107 Speaker 2: McMillan and two poor v at the at the top table, 11 00:00:34,147 --> 00:00:38,747 Speaker 2: and I mean it's it's very, very hard to explain 12 00:00:39,227 --> 00:00:41,587 Speaker 2: why the Chiefs haven't been able to win a Grand Final. 13 00:00:41,627 --> 00:00:44,587 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that Clayton McMillan could even could even 14 00:00:44,747 --> 00:00:47,467 Speaker 2: you know, articulate why they haven't been able to win 15 00:00:47,547 --> 00:00:49,987 Speaker 2: any of the last three. What were your main sort 16 00:00:49,987 --> 00:00:51,507 Speaker 2: of takeaways from last night? 17 00:00:52,387 --> 00:00:54,387 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did stop at McDonald's on the way home. 18 00:00:54,427 --> 00:00:58,147 Speaker 4: I mean, I have to admit it, that was the 19 00:00:58,147 --> 00:01:01,027 Speaker 4: main one. Actually, what happens from you you summed it 20 00:01:01,147 --> 00:01:03,547 Speaker 4: up before, Poney. It was a it was a forward battle. 21 00:01:03,587 --> 00:01:06,787 Speaker 4: It was a massive arm wrestle. It was an aerial 22 00:01:06,827 --> 00:01:10,507 Speaker 4: battle as well, and so the Crusaders won in the air, 23 00:01:10,707 --> 00:01:14,347 Speaker 4: they won and the forward battle and they won key 24 00:01:14,387 --> 00:01:17,907 Speaker 4: moments really you know, winning the moment. Even when did 25 00:01:17,907 --> 00:01:20,587 Speaker 4: you notice when we had the Chiefs had a rare 26 00:01:20,627 --> 00:01:23,587 Speaker 4: attacking line out nur r Corey went up for the 27 00:01:23,627 --> 00:01:26,787 Speaker 4: ball and Scott Barrett just ragged old him, you know, 28 00:01:26,867 --> 00:01:29,547 Speaker 4: to the ground, just pulled him actually towards his own 29 00:01:29,587 --> 00:01:31,987 Speaker 4: goal line. And I was just thinking, Okay, is that legal? 30 00:01:32,027 --> 00:01:34,947 Speaker 4: Probably I don't know, but it's just effective. And there 31 00:01:34,987 --> 00:01:37,987 Speaker 4: was a turnover straight away. So those little key moments, 32 00:01:38,027 --> 00:01:42,587 Speaker 4: I think you can't fault the Crusaders. But for me, 33 00:01:43,267 --> 00:01:45,867 Speaker 4: how long do the Chiefs have to be bridesmaids? You know, 34 00:01:46,587 --> 00:01:48,867 Speaker 4: like you don't want to be a bridesmaid every single time? 35 00:01:48,907 --> 00:01:51,227 Speaker 4: People start to feel sorry for you if your bridesmaid 36 00:01:51,347 --> 00:01:54,547 Speaker 4: every single wedding, you know, and then you start getting it. 37 00:01:54,627 --> 00:01:57,107 Speaker 4: I mean there's people out there have been bridesmaids a lot, right, 38 00:01:57,707 --> 00:01:59,867 Speaker 4: and I've been a groomsman a lot and it's not fun. 39 00:02:00,347 --> 00:02:02,587 Speaker 4: And then in the end, when there's the throwing of 40 00:02:02,627 --> 00:02:05,627 Speaker 4: the bouquet, you know, you're doing lineout calls and stuff 41 00:02:05,667 --> 00:02:07,267 Speaker 4: like that, just trying to catch it just gets a 42 00:02:07,267 --> 00:02:07,827 Speaker 4: bit desperate. 43 00:02:09,147 --> 00:02:14,427 Speaker 2: Yes, I love the analogy. I honestly felt like this 44 00:02:14,547 --> 00:02:17,147 Speaker 2: was there, this was their time. I honestly felt as 45 00:02:17,187 --> 00:02:20,587 Speaker 2: though they would go there last night and win that game. 46 00:02:20,627 --> 00:02:23,347 Speaker 2: And you say small moments, the aerial battle. The armorss 47 00:02:23,347 --> 00:02:26,827 Speaker 2: will call it what you like. But yet I mentioned 48 00:02:26,867 --> 00:02:28,987 Speaker 2: before and you might not have heard me, but Damien 49 00:02:29,067 --> 00:02:32,267 Speaker 2: McKenzie afterwards, he was just sitting there staring into the 50 00:02:32,267 --> 00:02:35,587 Speaker 2: middle distance, probably wondering what on earth he has to 51 00:02:35,587 --> 00:02:36,867 Speaker 2: do to win one of these things. 52 00:02:37,107 --> 00:02:37,267 Speaker 3: Yeah. 53 00:02:37,307 --> 00:02:39,187 Speaker 4: I know it wasn't Damien's best night, but do you 54 00:02:39,187 --> 00:02:41,067 Speaker 4: know the one thing and you would have been screaming 55 00:02:41,107 --> 00:02:44,347 Speaker 4: at the TV as well when the book broke free 56 00:02:44,427 --> 00:02:46,907 Speaker 4: and he just had to tow it ahead with his 57 00:02:46,987 --> 00:02:50,867 Speaker 4: left foot. And as a footballer, Pony, you got to 58 00:02:50,907 --> 00:02:52,987 Speaker 4: have a good you've got to be able to least. 59 00:02:53,227 --> 00:02:55,707 Speaker 3: Keep the ball and play with you with your wrong foot. 60 00:02:56,187 --> 00:02:59,107 Speaker 4: And I was going more soccer practice with the Chiefs 61 00:02:59,147 --> 00:03:01,467 Speaker 4: because you've got to be able to keep the. 62 00:03:01,387 --> 00:03:02,747 Speaker 3: Ball and play there, Damien. 63 00:03:02,827 --> 00:03:05,467 Speaker 4: And that was pretty much, and of course obviously all 64 00:03:05,467 --> 00:03:08,107 Speaker 4: the other stuff, but that stood out for me for 65 00:03:08,147 --> 00:03:08,867 Speaker 4: you as well, Pony. 66 00:03:09,027 --> 00:03:12,307 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I remember, I remember the exact moment 67 00:03:12,347 --> 00:03:14,387 Speaker 2: you're talking about. Yeah, it's the bounce of the rugby ball. 68 00:03:14,467 --> 00:03:16,267 Speaker 2: Isn't it. And it did for a couple of people 69 00:03:16,347 --> 00:03:17,627 Speaker 2: last night bounced the wrong way. 70 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:20,147 Speaker 4: But yeah, anyway, one thing I did want to say 71 00:03:20,187 --> 00:03:24,267 Speaker 4: is that, you know, the Chiefs, I think they left 72 00:03:24,267 --> 00:03:25,747 Speaker 4: it all out there, but they did seem to run 73 00:03:25,787 --> 00:03:27,907 Speaker 4: out of ideas. I was watching them box kick later 74 00:03:27,947 --> 00:03:29,947 Speaker 4: in the game when I sort of thought, well, is 75 00:03:29,987 --> 00:03:31,427 Speaker 4: now the time to run out? Do you have to 76 00:03:31,467 --> 00:03:34,387 Speaker 4: sort of have those moves, those breakopen glass moves that 77 00:03:34,427 --> 00:03:37,227 Speaker 4: you use in case of emergency? And I didn't see that. 78 00:03:37,307 --> 00:03:39,747 Speaker 4: You know, where is that sort of innovative thinking and 79 00:03:39,787 --> 00:03:43,307 Speaker 4: where should you be taking ideas from other sports, from touch, 80 00:03:43,387 --> 00:03:47,107 Speaker 4: from soccer, from basketball, whatever it is, the no look pass, 81 00:03:47,147 --> 00:03:50,787 Speaker 4: all this kind of stuff. Where is the new wave 82 00:03:50,987 --> 00:03:53,547 Speaker 4: of ideas to break down a defense like the Crusaders. 83 00:03:53,547 --> 00:03:55,747 Speaker 4: It's so tough. So that's one thing I'd like to 84 00:03:55,747 --> 00:03:57,707 Speaker 4: see is innovation. The other thing is I just think, 85 00:03:58,227 --> 00:04:00,067 Speaker 4: you know, if rugby's going to end up that way 86 00:04:01,787 --> 00:04:05,227 Speaker 4: at the highest level, it doesn't really feel that exciting. 87 00:04:05,267 --> 00:04:08,147 Speaker 4: I watched Origin three nights earlier and Pouring Rain and Perth, 88 00:04:08,227 --> 00:04:10,987 Speaker 4: and it was compelling. It was brilliant. There was so 89 00:04:11,107 --> 00:04:14,227 Speaker 4: much excent action and there were tries and rugby in 90 00:04:14,267 --> 00:04:16,267 Speaker 4: a pretty good night in christ Church was just an 91 00:04:16,387 --> 00:04:19,787 Speaker 4: absolute slug fest and good on the Crusaders. They dragged 92 00:04:19,787 --> 00:04:21,507 Speaker 4: the Chiefs into a black hole and that's where they 93 00:04:21,907 --> 00:04:22,347 Speaker 4: love to be. 94 00:04:22,947 --> 00:04:25,187 Speaker 2: Our match commentator Nick Buley pointed out to me last 95 00:04:25,227 --> 00:04:28,307 Speaker 2: night that there were seventy three kicks and play last 96 00:04:28,387 --> 00:04:31,587 Speaker 2: night seventy three and it glues box kicks in that. 97 00:04:31,707 --> 00:04:33,547 Speaker 2: But that kick tennis that happened at the start of 98 00:04:33,587 --> 00:04:35,947 Speaker 2: the second half, there were lots of there. There was 99 00:04:35,987 --> 00:04:38,427 Speaker 2: a lot of kicking last year and the box kick, Poney. 100 00:04:38,547 --> 00:04:40,627 Speaker 4: We need to do something about that because you know 101 00:04:40,667 --> 00:04:42,907 Speaker 4: what's going to happen is that people will be obsessed 102 00:04:42,947 --> 00:04:45,427 Speaker 4: with contesting. We're going to see more injuries just from 103 00:04:45,467 --> 00:04:48,227 Speaker 4: their midiar collisions, so you know it's going to be 104 00:04:48,267 --> 00:04:51,387 Speaker 4: like a World War One dog fight up there. 105 00:04:52,267 --> 00:04:54,107 Speaker 2: A lot of those guys from last night, we'll hear 106 00:04:54,147 --> 00:04:56,307 Speaker 2: their names read out tomorrow. And the All Black squad 107 00:04:56,347 --> 00:04:59,187 Speaker 2: the first one of the year. We had Pussly or 108 00:04:59,267 --> 00:05:01,627 Speaker 2: Tossy as a bolter last year. I don't think anybody 109 00:05:01,667 --> 00:05:06,307 Speaker 2: picked him any potential bolters for twenty twenty five. 110 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:08,307 Speaker 4: I think we're all talking about the same people. I 111 00:05:08,347 --> 00:05:10,707 Speaker 4: did listen to Liam Napier, who didn't come into studio 112 00:05:10,747 --> 00:05:14,547 Speaker 4: even though he works here. Wow, but I'm here for you, 113 00:05:14,627 --> 00:05:18,627 Speaker 4: Pioney and Crystal Clear. But Liam's squad was very, very good, 114 00:05:18,707 --> 00:05:21,267 Speaker 4: and I think we can say safely say that Fabian 115 00:05:21,307 --> 00:05:24,267 Speaker 4: holland do Plessy Kadifi can't be bold as given they've 116 00:05:24,267 --> 00:05:26,867 Speaker 4: been in the in the in the squad before and 117 00:05:26,947 --> 00:05:29,787 Speaker 4: have been talked about so much. Josh Fuzzy too has 118 00:05:29,787 --> 00:05:33,587 Speaker 4: been talked about, along with now Olie Norris. He played 119 00:05:33,587 --> 00:05:36,467 Speaker 4: pretty well, even though Fletcher Newle was outstanding against him. 120 00:05:36,827 --> 00:05:39,867 Speaker 4: I think the one thing, my one bolt I'm going 121 00:05:39,867 --> 00:05:42,307 Speaker 4: to stick with is Caleb tangy Tao. I think if 122 00:05:42,347 --> 00:05:44,907 Speaker 4: he's fit, they'll give him a chance because there is 123 00:05:45,027 --> 00:05:48,827 Speaker 4: room for an exciting strike winger with electric pace, and 124 00:05:48,867 --> 00:05:52,667 Speaker 4: I think it's him, but someone a little bit like him. 125 00:05:52,667 --> 00:05:56,667 Speaker 4: So is there a shootout between him and you know, 126 00:05:56,747 --> 00:06:00,347 Speaker 4: Finny Young and or four or someone new that could excite. 127 00:06:00,427 --> 00:06:03,227 Speaker 4: And then Simon Parker unlucky he didn't get to play 128 00:06:03,227 --> 00:06:04,907 Speaker 4: the big games, but I think he'll make the All 129 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:07,587 Speaker 4: Blacks fifteen and maybe even though a wider training group. 130 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:08,707 Speaker 3: That's that's my prediction. 131 00:06:08,867 --> 00:06:10,787 Speaker 2: I tell you I quite liked watching earlier in the 132 00:06:10,827 --> 00:06:12,907 Speaker 2: season and he was kind of ruled out laid on 133 00:06:12,947 --> 00:06:15,947 Speaker 2: through concussions and stuff with Shaffie hockey. I quite like 134 00:06:16,027 --> 00:06:17,467 Speaker 2: the way that he goes about things. 135 00:06:17,587 --> 00:06:19,907 Speaker 4: I think Shay is definitely on there well, another one 136 00:06:19,907 --> 00:06:21,867 Speaker 4: who's been in the squad and last year I was 137 00:06:22,307 --> 00:06:24,627 Speaker 4: pumping up Shay. I think he's probably one of those 138 00:06:24,667 --> 00:06:27,827 Speaker 4: guys if they stay in consistent with their development of selection, 139 00:06:28,427 --> 00:06:31,267 Speaker 4: who will be the one to cut tangy tails lunch 140 00:06:31,547 --> 00:06:33,907 Speaker 4: if you know. If that's the case, you know he's 141 00:06:33,907 --> 00:06:35,947 Speaker 4: got the all round skills and the kicking game that 142 00:06:36,027 --> 00:06:38,347 Speaker 4: you need. But one just a note of warning to 143 00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:41,627 Speaker 4: raise a if you're thinking, okay, you want to choose 144 00:06:42,067 --> 00:06:44,427 Speaker 4: all those players that can slug it out and win 145 00:06:44,467 --> 00:06:47,787 Speaker 4: you again, that's exactly what Rassi and the Springboks want. 146 00:06:48,347 --> 00:06:50,827 Speaker 4: They want to take you down into the mean streets 147 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:53,667 Speaker 4: as well after the purge on and just go and 148 00:06:53,707 --> 00:06:56,507 Speaker 4: turn it into a massive street brawl. That's that's so 149 00:06:56,627 --> 00:06:59,507 Speaker 4: don't necessarily give them what they want. That's where you've 150 00:06:59,547 --> 00:07:01,427 Speaker 4: got to look for a few points of difference. And 151 00:07:02,467 --> 00:07:06,467 Speaker 4: that's why even I know your text to Tavatava Nawai, Well, 152 00:07:06,667 --> 00:07:09,027 Speaker 4: why not, you know there's there there has to be 153 00:07:09,107 --> 00:07:12,467 Speaker 4: some little change and obviously I'm big on prop to 154 00:07:12,467 --> 00:07:13,387 Speaker 4: to start at thirteen. 155 00:07:14,747 --> 00:07:17,187 Speaker 2: Just before you go, you mentioned Origin the other night. 156 00:07:17,227 --> 00:07:21,387 Speaker 2: I was quite pleasantly surprised to see that series squared up. 157 00:07:22,667 --> 00:07:25,587 Speaker 2: I fully expected that New South Wales would win and 158 00:07:25,627 --> 00:07:28,187 Speaker 2: win comfortably, and they got themselves a win at the end. 159 00:07:28,187 --> 00:07:30,467 Speaker 2: But I just say it was quite a compelling watching 160 00:07:30,507 --> 00:07:31,347 Speaker 2: the rain and Perth. 161 00:07:31,667 --> 00:07:32,387 Speaker 3: It was. It was. 162 00:07:32,627 --> 00:07:35,747 Speaker 4: I mean, Origin just seldom disappoints. And I think that, 163 00:07:36,307 --> 00:07:38,227 Speaker 4: you know, the first ten minutes of an Origin game 164 00:07:38,267 --> 00:07:40,867 Speaker 4: of exactly what every promoter would want. And I mean 165 00:07:41,507 --> 00:07:43,947 Speaker 4: at times I think it was Rivers Raihan who ran 166 00:07:44,307 --> 00:07:46,627 Speaker 4: ran the Bullbacks so strongly last night. A couple of 167 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:49,827 Speaker 4: big hits and even the tackle what by Daniel Honor 168 00:07:49,867 --> 00:07:53,907 Speaker 4: on branden En, all that sort of Origin esque. But yeah, 169 00:07:53,907 --> 00:07:57,507 Speaker 4: that that for me is the benchmark of like Pinnacle 170 00:07:57,547 --> 00:08:01,587 Speaker 4: Club or Rep Rugby. But the other thing I did 171 00:08:01,627 --> 00:08:04,147 Speaker 4: want to touch on Piney because I know you're a 172 00:08:04,187 --> 00:08:07,907 Speaker 4: soccer football man like myself. Seeing Auckland City gets spanked 173 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:10,467 Speaker 4: over at the Club World Cup, says to me that 174 00:08:10,467 --> 00:08:13,547 Speaker 4: that system has to change. There has to be a way, 175 00:08:13,627 --> 00:08:16,627 Speaker 4: a work around where we do send Oceany as best 176 00:08:16,827 --> 00:08:20,467 Speaker 4: club team, which is Auckland FC. They have to find 177 00:08:20,507 --> 00:08:22,267 Speaker 4: a way that there is a playoff system. I know 178 00:08:22,347 --> 00:08:24,867 Speaker 4: they play in an Asian league because of the A 179 00:08:25,027 --> 00:08:28,747 Speaker 4: League being Australian and that Ozzie's in Asia, but for 180 00:08:29,347 --> 00:08:32,267 Speaker 4: all intents and purposes, the best team in Oceany is 181 00:08:32,307 --> 00:08:32,867 Speaker 4: Auckland f C. 182 00:08:33,067 --> 00:08:33,667 Speaker 3: They have to go. 183 00:08:34,107 --> 00:08:36,387 Speaker 2: I think you'll find that that is exactly what happens 184 00:08:36,547 --> 00:08:39,387 Speaker 2: from now on and maybe what's happened to Auckland City 185 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:41,667 Speaker 2: try as they have you know, a ten nilon, a 186 00:08:41,707 --> 00:08:44,187 Speaker 2: six nil and who knows what happening is Bocker juniors. 187 00:08:44,187 --> 00:08:46,067 Speaker 2: I think you'll find that maybe that is the catalyst 188 00:08:46,427 --> 00:08:48,867 Speaker 2: for change. Hey, well, thank you for one upping Liam 189 00:08:48,947 --> 00:08:52,587 Speaker 2: Napier and coming into your place of work for a 190 00:08:52,667 --> 00:08:53,067 Speaker 2: chat today. 191 00:08:53,147 --> 00:08:53,387 Speaker 3: Mate. 192 00:08:53,467 --> 00:08:54,987 Speaker 2: It's been good good to chat as always. 193 00:08:55,067 --> 00:08:55,547 Speaker 3: Thanks mate. 194 00:08:55,547 --> 00:08:58,027 Speaker 4: There's too many Crusaders jerseys in this office, but I'm 195 00:08:58,107 --> 00:08:58,787 Speaker 4: leaving right now. 196 00:08:58,827 --> 00:08:59,227 Speaker 3: Thank you. 197 00:09:00,147 --> 00:09:03,067 Speaker 2: Love it made always love your contributions to our show. 198 00:09:03,147 --> 00:09:05,107 Speaker 2: James McConney. You a big part of our Sundays. 199 00:09:05,427 --> 00:09:08,307 Speaker 1: For more from week and Sport with Jason Fine. 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