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Speaker 1: So we've got a second lot of findings from a

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Speaker 1: massive university drug trends survey and they're a bit of

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Speaker 1: a worry. One in four survey responders report using pharmaceuticals

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Speaker 1: for recreational use over the past six months. Twenty four

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Speaker 1: percent report using MDMA and ketamine and other psychedelics for

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Speaker 1: therapeutic purposes. And from the team the massive University in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Drugs research team, I'm joined by doctor Robin

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Speaker 1: van Dersand and hello Robin, Hi, how are you very good?

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Speaker 1: So to the pharmaceuticals, First, do we have an illegal

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Speaker 1: trade in pharmaceuticals and people are sort of selling tramadol

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Speaker 1: to each other?

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Speaker 2: Potentially a little bit but also potentially a bit more

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Speaker 2: boring than that that people are just you know, sharing

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Speaker 2: these drugs with one another when in need. But there

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Speaker 2: is definitely also a little bit of sale going on.

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Speaker 1: So what should we be worried about with the pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 2: A big thing is sort of health and safety. I

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Speaker 2: think you know a lot of people who take these

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Speaker 2: drugs nor medically might not have gotten the advice of

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Speaker 2: their doctor. You know, they might also be mixing these

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Speaker 2: drugs together. For example, with alcohol, which is a big

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Speaker 2: risk in terms of overdose or poisoning or experiencing harmful effects.

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Speaker 2: And also we've got as people are buying these drugs

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Speaker 2: illegally via a drug dealer, then we've got this risk

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Speaker 2: of them buying counterfeit pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, and meanwhile to the more traditional drugs, the

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Speaker 1: mtumaze et cetera. You're saying, and you've said in your report,

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Speaker 1: the world is in the midst of a psychedelic renaissance.

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Speaker 1: Now what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: Well, it sort of means that we've got a kind

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Speaker 2: of really renewed interest in psychedelics across different areas of

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Speaker 2: society and in the medical sector in terms of healthcare.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of research on the potential

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Speaker 2: benefits of psychedelics for a number of mental health benefits

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Speaker 2: and therapeutic purposes. You've got a lot of cultural coverage

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Speaker 2: of psychedelics, so it's quite a sort of zeitgeist more

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Speaker 2: broadly in the culture at them. So that's kind of

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Speaker 2: what I mean.

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Speaker 1: By that, and one that we need to take great

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Speaker 1: care of. And I thank you Robin vanderstanding

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