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Speaker 3: Hello, you got you sent it? It is Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 3: Full Show Podcast number one forty three for Wednesday, the

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Speaker 3: eleventh of June twenty twenty five. Fantastic Show Today got

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Speaker 3: pretty heated around female male birth rates and whether the

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Speaker 3: world will be a better or worse place with more

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Speaker 3: females in it.

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Speaker 4: Boy boy anger, yeah, anger, and particularly on the text

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Speaker 4: machine as well.

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Speaker 3: Fin out. I got accused of not being as hot

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Speaker 3: as Sigh Barnett, which is an absolute lie. Yeah, absolute lie.

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Speaker 4: I got a bit of bod you've got more ebs.

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Speaker 4: Bit of here, yep, bit everything. You don't color you

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Speaker 4: here either.

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Speaker 3: There was some very sexist woman texting through, actually very forry.

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Speaker 4: You'll know you'll you'll hear about Tory and what she

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Speaker 4: had to say. Holy, oh my bloody days. Tory should

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Speaker 4: have hit the dump button on that. All right, all right,

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Speaker 4: family and your mum and dad and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: And give them a taste of Kiwi. Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 4: Love you the big stories, the.

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Speaker 2: League issues, the big trends and everything in between. Matt

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Speaker 2: Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 4: Talk said me, afternoon to you. Welcome into today's show, Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: the eleventh of June. Great of your company as always,

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Speaker 4: Get amen.

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Speaker 3: Get a Tyler, good a your great New Zealanders. I'm

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Speaker 3: in a bad state today because, and I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of people will empathize with me here, the worst

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Speaker 3: possible thing has happened to me. I failed to put

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Speaker 3: my rubbish bins out.

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Speaker 4: Oh you fool, Yeah, absolute full.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things in the world is coming

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Speaker 3: home to empty rubbish bins. It just feels so good.

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Speaker 3: It feels like the system's working.

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Speaker 4: And you're sorted for another seven days. It's I don't

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Speaker 4: know how I forgot. I don't know how I did it.

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Speaker 4: I was away on the weekend. I got them normally,

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Speaker 4: so good with it. But then just a.

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Speaker 3: Whole a whole week of two full rubbish bins sitting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that's a crippling mistake. You know. I

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Speaker 4: feel sorry for you. So the good thing about my

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Speaker 4: rubbish guys on our street is they don't come until

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Speaker 4: I've still got time. So thank you rubbish guys out

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Speaker 4: of my street. How's a six am? Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 3: So if you forget the night before, you're in all

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Speaker 3: kinds all kinds of trouble. And like, the real loser

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Speaker 3: is going to be my neighbors, because I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be sneaking around putting my rubbish and there again and

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Speaker 3: their recycling bent all week.

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Speaker 4: This is how it happens, isn't it? So sorry to

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Speaker 4: Matt's neighbors. Right to today's show, it is jam packed

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Speaker 4: for you, as it always as. After three point thirty,

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Speaker 4: I ask the expert series that we do each Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: Mark Vitty is back with us world renowned animal behavior

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Speaker 4: is taking your calls. And you've got a problem with

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Speaker 4: your pet. He's a man to Chetto and we.

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Speaker 3: Get a lot of dog questions for Vitty, A lot

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Speaker 3: of dog questions we do if you've got another animal,

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Speaker 4: Budgy, lama, love lama questions, a.

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Speaker 3: Would love to move outside of the War of Dogs.

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Speaker 3: You know, I love a dog. My dog's listening right

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Speaker 3: now at home because I leave the radio for him.

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Speaker 4: He's a good boy, Colin, or a good boy Colin?

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Speaker 3: What a good boy?

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Speaker 5: Colin?

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Speaker 4: Where's a cat?

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Speaker 3: Colin?

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Speaker 4: Where's a cat?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, as much as I love dogs, I'd

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Speaker 4: What we want to do is we want to try

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Speaker 3: An x A lottal question would be bloody great?

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Speaker 4: That is after three point thirty after three o'clock? Which

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Speaker 4: Generation Z have been blamed for a lot of things,

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Speaker 4: but were they blamed for this? Were they the most

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Speaker 4: poorly behaved generation? According to UIs Bartenders.

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Speaker 4: That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock, This will

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Speaker 4: be an interesting chat. There's been a worldwide trend of

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Speaker 4: useful in later life, looking after parents, etc. But we

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Speaker 3: but global sex selection abortion has fallen dramatically. One point

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Speaker 4: two Kiwis age between sixty five and sixty nine years old,

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Speaker 3: So it would suggest that people are starting working younger yep,

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Speaker 3: But a question I want to ask, if you're in

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Speaker 3: As well as the people that aren't retiring at sixty five. Now,

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Speaker 3: Go, but I think I'm in my early forties.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's this idea that you retire and you

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Speaker 3: I think I think working is great if you can

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Speaker 3: Hey Matt, it wasn't recycling cliction yesterday, so maybe you

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Speaker 4: So maybe you're saved here? What day is it today?

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Speaker 4: It's Wednesday the eleventh. All right, you're safe. You're still

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry text that. Yeah, you're almost made them happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, I didn't discover until I get home from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty past one.

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Speaker 2: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 4: Be afternoon sixteen pass one. We are working longer. That's

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Speaker 4: a trend that may set to continue. If you are

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Speaker 4: in your thirties, forties, fifties, do you generally think you're

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Speaker 4: going to be fully retired, not working at sixty five.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there'd be many out there that would

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Speaker 3: Even want to, because I think working past sixty five

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Speaker 3: is the dream, and it's a lot harder for trades

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Speaker 3: when you use your body, unlike me, my soft sitting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or all my other jobs that are well moisturized hands.

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Speaker 3: Look at that. But I mean if you if you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, oh one hundred and eight in Adien's then

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Speaker 3: How are you David?

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Speaker 8: I'm good? Thank you. I'm coming up to seventy nine

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Speaker 8: I've been working in the waste industry for the last

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Speaker 3: And do you work because you have to work, David?

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Speaker 8: I love it?

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Speaker 8: I don't have to work, but I love working. I

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Speaker 8: It's very competitive, extremely competitive. Yeah, just every day is

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Speaker 8: Well, health permitting, probably until at least eighteen Yep.

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Speaker 8: Well, not only that, I've still got a young family.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in fifty hours a week, David, you must get it.

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Speaker 4: You must be getting tired at seventy nine. I don't

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Speaker 8: I get tired, but I just hang on in there

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, Well I just love work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, we can tell David.

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Speaker 3: Okay, think it's for you. Call David and need more

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Speaker 3: David's you go, well, and thanks, I have a great day,

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Speaker 3: you too, you do, you go? Yeah. But my point

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Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, which is a very fair point. I think

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Speaker 4: David thought you were calling him Joe Biden, so that

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Speaker 4: not Joe Biden. He is full of beans. Old David.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's calling him the opposite. Yeah, but I can

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Speaker 4: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: The sixty five I just don't. I mean, they're going

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Speaker 4: Great analogy. It is twenty one past one. Keen to

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Speaker 10: Breakfast back to our power group. Micrown is the Meridian

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Speaker 11: We're deep into investing so that we can overcome challenge

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Speaker 4: Talk z B twenty four past one.

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Speaker 3: Well, we didn't miss that that David was seventy nine

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Speaker 3: David must have a young missus. Yeah, hed this textasys,

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Speaker 3: Hey boys, did you miss that David had a fifteen

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, if I could have my time again, I would

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Speaker 3: have focused it on that. I just thought it slightly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, we heard it. We both looked at each

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, more than capable men,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, and this business has layoff. Biden Trump fell

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Speaker 4: Yep, one hundred percent. Sam, you're current, you know, you're

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Speaker 12: It's my birth day on Monday, so I've been forty

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Speaker 12: with babies and yeah, I mean, I'm just a mum.

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Speaker 12: But grandmothers, you know, can look after newborn's well into

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Speaker 3: That's interesting you should say that about grandmothers, because I

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Speaker 3: So if you had so, if you had a lot

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Speaker 12: Okay, they have a good day.

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Speaker 4: I love to positivity. Brian.

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Speaker 3: You're fifty two and you're ready to retire, well.

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Speaker 13: But the thing is, we're gonna hope. We've got to

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Speaker 4: So have you lined up? Have you lined it up?

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Speaker 13: Sorry you go, Brian, Yeah, it's cheaper than actually by

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Speaker 13: the time you're paying all your bulls and all your food.

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Speaker 13: Never know, that's actually cheaper and you get more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, have you.

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Speaker 4: Lined have you lined up? What bus you're going to buy? Brian?

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Speaker 3: So right, so bathroom, kitchen, lounge, TV, all that kind

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Speaker 4: Traveling, it's all paid for exactly. Sounds like a good life, Brian.

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Speaker 13: Well, I'm going to keep working part time as we travel.

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Speaker 13: My wife's a nurse, so I can take a lot

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Speaker 13: on a get and go and do it and do

441
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Speaker 13: but some pieces and things.

442
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Speaker 4: Yeah, good stuff.

443
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Speaker 13: I mean there's always spressing traveling, all sorts of stuff

444
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Speaker 13: you do with that when when what you do on

445
00:19:37,293 --> 00:19:39,773
Speaker 13: your normal weekend anyway, Yeah, that's very true.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you, Brian. Sounds like you've got a

447
00:19:42,013 --> 00:19:42,693
Speaker 3: solid plan.

448
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Speaker 4: It does sound like a good life traveling around about.

449
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Speaker 3: But I think, actually, Brian, how much does it take

450
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Speaker 3: to cost you to take how much does it cost

451
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Speaker 3: to take a house bus across to Australia? Ship it

452
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Speaker 3: over two thousand?

453
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Speaker 4: Jeez, it's cheaper than I thought.

454
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Speaker 3: That's way cheaper than I thought. How good?

455
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Speaker 13: Yeah?

456
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you travel travel on the boat with

457
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Speaker 3: it and it?

458
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Speaker 13: Ah, we might. Yeah, it depends your costs down.

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that idea.

460
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Speaker 15: Good on.

461
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Speaker 4: You're Brian far out? So what he's so three to

462
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Speaker 4: four years. He's fifty two now, so fifty five and

463
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Speaker 4: then travel around in a house bus on Ossie for

464
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Speaker 4: the next forty years. I mean it does sound like

465
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Speaker 4: a good good way to you know, spend fifteen years.

466
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Speaker 4: What do you do for the other twenty five?

467
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Speaker 3: It sounds like my worst nightmare. But Brian seems he

468
00:20:30,773 --> 00:20:31,253
Speaker 3: was into it.

469
00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:32,133
Speaker 4: He got on him.

470
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Speaker 3: Retired fifty five. I planned it from my first day.

471
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Speaker 3: I've worked in a factory. I would hate to be

472
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Speaker 3: working now. I'm sixty at the end of this year.

473
00:20:38,853 --> 00:20:41,293
Speaker 3: I live very comfortably from investments. Friends with the same

474
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Speaker 3: opportunities as me are still working and they are jealous.

475
00:20:44,973 --> 00:20:47,453
Speaker 3: I travel, exercise, enjoy eating out, spend time with the

476
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Speaker 3: family in New Zealand overseas, go to the gym, cycling walking,

477
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Speaker 3: spending time at my two holiday homes. Oh very well, Okay,

478
00:20:54,533 --> 00:20:55,773
Speaker 3: he's nailed the factory worker.

479
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Speaker 4: Yeah, bang on half past one we're going to pick

480
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Speaker 4: this back up. I wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

481
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Speaker 4: If you're looking ahead to your retirement, do you generally

482
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Speaker 4: think you'll be working past the age of sixty five? Really?

483
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Speaker 4: Can you hear from you?

484
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Speaker 3: Or if you are you like man, you are going

485
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Speaker 3: to be work, work till you die.

486
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Speaker 1: You talks at the headlines.

487
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Speaker 16: With blue bubble Taxis, it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

488
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Speaker 3: Alais mayor has announced.

489
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Speaker 16: An overnight curfew in downtown parts of the US city

490
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Speaker 16: as anti deportation protests continue for a fifth day. Karen

491
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Speaker 16: Bass says it covers a square mile of the city,

492
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Speaker 16: lasting several days. The city's had millions of dollars of

493
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Speaker 16: damage during the protests. A new report lays bier how

494
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Speaker 16: young Marii are overrepresented in uraga kamariki and the systems

495
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Speaker 16: letting them down. It shows ninety two percent of ragatahi

496
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Speaker 16: who went on to offend had safety and well being

497
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Speaker 16: concerns raised when they were younger. University of Auckland Vice

498
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Speaker 16: Chancellor Dawn Freshwater has abruptly resigned six months into her

499
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Speaker 16: second term. She's the university's first female vice chancellor and

500
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Speaker 16: steered it through the PAN. Documents finally released show Adrian

501
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Speaker 16: or quit abruptly as Reserved Bank governor in March after

502
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Speaker 16: not getting the funding he felt the bank needed from

503
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Speaker 16: the government. The new highway between Palmerston North and Taradua

504
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Speaker 16: District has opened today an early morning price test as

505
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Speaker 16: Bolt launches in Auckland against Uber. You can find out

506
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Speaker 16: more at zendhral Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray Lena. We're talking about new

508
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Speaker 4: stants out from Stats New Zealand that shows we are

509
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Speaker 4: working longer than ever. We are entering the WorkFirst, our

510
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Speaker 4: workforce earlier and working long after retirement. So the later

511
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Speaker 4: data shows almost one in two kiwis working past the

512
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Speaker 4: age of sixty five and the increase of those aged

513
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Speaker 4: fifteen getting into work has increased forty percent in the

514
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Speaker 4: last ten years, which is a great wee.

515
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Speaker 3: Stat Yeah, and a lot of people have been texting

516
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Speaker 3: through asking about that study that claimed that parenting is

517
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Speaker 3: the human superpower that rows us above other beasts. It

518
00:23:13,933 --> 00:23:17,013
Speaker 3: was authored by Dr Paul Turk He's a pediatrician and

519
00:23:17,173 --> 00:23:21,413
Speaker 3: evolutionary anthropologist. Doctor Paul Turk if you want to. That's

520
00:23:21,453 --> 00:23:24,133
Speaker 3: a very interesting He's also actually if you want it

521
00:23:24,573 --> 00:23:28,493
Speaker 3: distilled on the Modern Wisdom podcast.

522
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Speaker 4: Number nine three eight.

523
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Speaker 3: He goes through it.

524
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Speaker 4: It's very interesting, very interesting, well worth checking out. But

525
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Speaker 4: can you get your thoughts on our eight hundred and

526
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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty If you are planning for retirement, do

527
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Speaker 4: you think you will give up work at sixty five

528
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Speaker 4: or do you think you'll still be working long past that?

529
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Speaker 3: This business is We bought a caravan in from Ossie.

530
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Speaker 3: It costs nine thousand dollars one way, that two thousand dollars.

531
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Speaker 3: It did sound too good to be true. Of the

532
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Speaker 3: two thousand dollars, yeah, two k.

533
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Speaker 4: To get a house bus over there, I thought jeep

534
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Speaker 4: as that.

535
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Speaker 3: And this might sound like the stupidest question anyone's ever asked,

536
00:24:00,093 --> 00:24:02,213
Speaker 3: because it probably is. Can you sit in your house

537
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Speaker 3: bus as it slipped over there? Or does it just

538
00:24:04,373 --> 00:24:06,093
Speaker 3: does it get put on locked up?

539
00:24:06,253 --> 00:24:07,933
Speaker 4: It's a great question because I would say no, but

540
00:24:08,013 --> 00:24:09,413
Speaker 4: I don't. Oh, I mean, you're good.

541
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a stupid because of course you can't, because

542
00:24:11,613 --> 00:24:13,293
Speaker 3: otherwise you'd be running a cruise ship. They have to

543
00:24:13,333 --> 00:24:16,493
Speaker 3: have food, that have to have they have to be

544
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Speaker 3: able to look after you.

545
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Speaker 4: Why did you sign a waiver and just said I'll

546
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Speaker 4: live in the house, pus, I'll sort my own food out.

547
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Speaker 3: I'll do my business over the side, and we'll just

548
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Speaker 3: sit there.

549
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Speaker 4: You're in the freight game nine two nine two. Can

550
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Speaker 4: you eastually do that? But back to the working question, A.

551
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Speaker 3: Lot of people are saying, I hate to blow that

552
00:24:31,853 --> 00:24:33,973
Speaker 3: guy's bubble, but he really needs to do his homework

553
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Speaker 3: before he retires at fifty five. I don't think it's

554
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Speaker 3: going to work out.

555
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Speaker 4: Callumy's dreaming.

556
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Speaker 3: Okay, Paul, welcome to the show. You're sixty eight and

557
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Speaker 3: you're still working.

558
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I am. What I'm ringing in for is that

559
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Speaker 17: most of my friends have required well maybe over the

560
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Speaker 17: last five years. I suppose I'm still working, and I

561
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Speaker 17: talked to them all the time about this, and I

562
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Speaker 17: think there's three reasons that people keep working. One of

563
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Speaker 17: them is obviously financial, because some people can't afford to

564
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Speaker 17: live otherwise. And the second one is you love your job.

565
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Speaker 17: Like this seventy eight year old or seventy nine?

566
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Speaker 3: Was he that phoned in nine we management with a

567
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Speaker 3: fifty year old daughter.

568
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Speaker 17: Yep, I know that wasn't picked up as I was

569
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Speaker 17: pretty impressive with that. But I think the third one,

570
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Speaker 17: I'm really quite the third one is you lose your

571
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Speaker 17: social context because I don't think people appreciate how much

572
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Speaker 17: they enjoy the company of those that they work with.

573
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Speaker 17: And that certainly applies to a couple of my friends

574
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Speaker 17: where they basically don't do a lot, be able to

575
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Speaker 17: and they're financially fine, but they've just lost all funds

576
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Speaker 17: stuff that they used to do because a lot of

577
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Speaker 17: their friends that from work are younger and are still working,

578
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Speaker 17: so they want to go and have a round of

579
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Speaker 17: golf on Wednesday. Sorry, I'm working. So it's some you know,

580
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Speaker 17: I'm really convinced that's a bigger reason than people appreciate

581
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Speaker 17: the social contact. And also you could be recited for

582
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Speaker 17: thirty years if you retired at sixty five.

583
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Speaker 4: It's a long time.

584
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Speaker 3: Well, they do these studies, what they do launch They

585
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Speaker 3: do studies on males, particularly when they retire. Particularly we're

586
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Speaker 3: pretty bad at making new friendships and reaching out to

587
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Speaker 3: new people. And we think we think that friendships are

588
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Speaker 3: just nice to have, and we don't notice that there

589
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Speaker 3: are a lot of our friendships in life and a

590
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Speaker 3: lot of our interactions are with the people who were

591
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Speaker 3: maybe complaining about work, but we're complaining about it with people,

592
00:26:25,373 --> 00:26:29,813
Speaker 3: and you know, great for the brain. And yeah, I mean.

593
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Speaker 17: You're with them eight hours day in effect, and that's

594
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Speaker 17: a lot of time, and you're probably sitting in very

595
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Speaker 17: close proximity and then having lunch with them. So you're

596
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Speaker 17: absolutely right. Because they say that the biggest epidemic in

597
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Speaker 17: the world at the moment is loneliness, and I think

598
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Speaker 17: that more applies to older than younger. Yeah. Yeah, and

599
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Speaker 17: you don't want to go and play crivage all day

600
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Speaker 17: or something, so I think, yeah, no, I'm quite convinced

601
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Speaker 17: that that's a very very big reason. Actually looked it

602
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Speaker 17: up a little while ago, and in America they've created this

603
00:27:00,893 --> 00:27:05,133
Speaker 17: thing called Romeo Clubs, which are retired old men eating

604
00:27:05,173 --> 00:27:07,413
Speaker 17: out and they meet up once a month at a

605
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Speaker 17: different restaurant, and apparently it's exploding in popularity because all

606
00:27:11,293 --> 00:27:15,293
Speaker 17: fellas are bored, yeah, and they don't have the social slightly.

607
00:27:15,893 --> 00:27:17,893
Speaker 4: The men shared that I where I walk the dog,

608
00:27:17,933 --> 00:27:19,773
Speaker 4: there's a men's ship and that is always chock a

609
00:27:19,813 --> 00:27:22,933
Speaker 4: block and I love it. But as obviously primarily retired

610
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,373
Speaker 4: guys and they need to be around some other blokes.

611
00:27:25,653 --> 00:27:25,813
Speaker 14: Yeah.

612
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Speaker 3: The thing is, Paul, men like to do that. Men's friendships,

613
00:27:30,493 --> 00:27:32,693
Speaker 3: they study are best. They call it shoulder to shoulder

614
00:27:32,813 --> 00:27:36,493
Speaker 3: doing something as opposed to face to face. So when

615
00:27:36,653 --> 00:27:38,973
Speaker 3: men retire they try and do things that are similar

616
00:27:39,053 --> 00:27:41,253
Speaker 3: to work. Often I'll find things that are similar work.

617
00:27:41,293 --> 00:27:43,253
Speaker 3: You could argue that's what golfer is right, you're going

618
00:27:43,293 --> 00:27:44,773
Speaker 3: around doing something.

619
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Speaker 17: I have one friend, it's an avid golfer, golts three

620
00:27:47,453 --> 00:27:49,893
Speaker 17: four days a week. But it's just this thing. And

621
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Speaker 17: also he loves it, and he's got a set of

622
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Speaker 17: friends that are regularly to I think, well, in my case,

623
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Speaker 17: I'm still working and I don't have any intention of

624
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Speaker 17: giving up. Oh, I don't know. I got a mate.

625
00:28:00,533 --> 00:28:02,293
Speaker 17: I saw him yesterday. He's one month older than me.

626
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Speaker 17: We both do the same job with both pick part time.

627
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Speaker 17: By the way, and I said that term when you're

628
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:08,253
Speaker 17: you going to retire, And he says, have no idea

629
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Speaker 17: about you? And I said, I've no idea. I'm convinced though,

630
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Speaker 17: that one day I'll wake up and go this has

631
00:28:12,213 --> 00:28:14,373
Speaker 17: got to be. It's a lot of financial reasons that

632
00:28:14,413 --> 00:28:15,453
Speaker 17: I work. It'll just be.

633
00:28:15,653 --> 00:28:18,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, to do this anymore. What do you do?

634
00:28:18,973 --> 00:28:22,533
Speaker 17: I teak a part time at a polytech.

635
00:28:24,973 --> 00:28:25,253
Speaker 11: Yeah.

636
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Speaker 17: Yeah, well, actually quite like that idea that you've been

637
00:28:28,293 --> 00:28:30,133
Speaker 17: It's probably one of the few jobs, to be honest,

638
00:28:30,133 --> 00:28:33,373
Speaker 17: that you can get in your more senior years, because

639
00:28:33,413 --> 00:28:36,093
Speaker 17: if you're teaching something that requires a lot of life experience.

640
00:28:38,293 --> 00:28:41,293
Speaker 17: There's six of us do what I do, and we're

641
00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:45,693
Speaker 17: all gold cast holders. But you have to have had

642
00:28:45,733 --> 00:28:49,653
Speaker 17: life experience to make the courses work. And so yeah,

643
00:28:49,653 --> 00:28:51,653
Speaker 17: because I've made redundant at the age of sixty two,

644
00:28:51,853 --> 00:28:53,773
Speaker 17: and I'll tell you what, that's not a happy feeling.

645
00:28:55,213 --> 00:28:58,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, but as you say, you any other job, Yeah,

646
00:28:58,093 --> 00:29:00,533
Speaker 4: but handing down knowledge at sixty eight point would be

647
00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:01,893
Speaker 4: a very satisfying thing to do.

648
00:29:02,933 --> 00:29:03,013
Speaker 14: Oh.

649
00:29:03,013 --> 00:29:04,653
Speaker 17: I love it, absolutely love It's why I don't want

650
00:29:04,693 --> 00:29:05,813
Speaker 17: to give it up. I don't know if it as

651
00:29:05,813 --> 00:29:07,333
Speaker 17: I say, I'll definitely give it up at some point

652
00:29:07,373 --> 00:29:09,253
Speaker 17: because we do want to fave on more and do

653
00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:12,493
Speaker 17: other things. And you're just just changed, and maybe I'll

654
00:29:12,533 --> 00:29:14,693
Speaker 17: strike a bad class and go no.

655
00:29:16,053 --> 00:29:19,133
Speaker 3: Just walk out the door. That's ball's had enough.

656
00:29:19,293 --> 00:29:20,613
Speaker 4: Thanks for your call. It's an answering.

657
00:29:20,813 --> 00:29:24,453
Speaker 3: My dad finally retired, he ended up doing the greens

658
00:29:24,533 --> 00:29:27,493
Speaker 3: at his croquet club and just went into a full time,

659
00:29:27,573 --> 00:29:31,493
Speaker 3: unpaid job and ended up working harder than you. He's

660
00:29:31,493 --> 00:29:34,093
Speaker 3: always been an incredibly hard worker, but the amount of

661
00:29:34,093 --> 00:29:38,053
Speaker 3: work he put into the Leath Croquet Club, good luck

662
00:29:38,093 --> 00:29:40,253
Speaker 3: and law, Yeah and lord, are the best lawns you've

663
00:29:40,253 --> 00:29:40,653
Speaker 3: ever seen.

664
00:29:40,973 --> 00:29:43,053
Speaker 4: All right, keen to hear your views on this eight

665
00:29:43,173 --> 00:29:45,533
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's a truckloaded texs coming

666
00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,373
Speaker 4: through nine to two, nine too. We'll try and get

667
00:29:47,413 --> 00:29:49,733
Speaker 4: to some of those very shortly. Eighteen to two.

668
00:29:51,213 --> 00:29:54,773
Speaker 2: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

669
00:29:54,853 --> 00:29:58,853
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

670
00:29:58,853 --> 00:30:02,573
Speaker 4: They'd be very good afternoon. We're talking about new stats

671
00:30:02,573 --> 00:30:05,453
Speaker 4: that have just been released showing that we are working

672
00:30:05,533 --> 00:30:08,773
Speaker 4: earlier and working longer, far past the retirement age of

673
00:30:08,813 --> 00:30:11,253
Speaker 4: sixty five. So if you're planning your retirement, do you

674
00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:13,493
Speaker 4: think you will be able to retire at sixty five?

675
00:30:13,653 --> 00:30:15,253
Speaker 4: Do you want to retire at sixty five?

676
00:30:15,493 --> 00:30:17,493
Speaker 3: I'm fifty six, I love my job and I'd love

677
00:30:17,533 --> 00:30:20,333
Speaker 3: to retire. Lawn bowls is the best for meeting people

678
00:30:20,453 --> 00:30:23,253
Speaker 3: and keeping active and competitive. Yeah, when you do retire,

679
00:30:23,253 --> 00:30:26,493
Speaker 3: you've got to make sure that you join clubs and

680
00:30:27,093 --> 00:30:30,813
Speaker 3: lean into your hobbies and reach out to people, and

681
00:30:30,973 --> 00:30:33,133
Speaker 3: you know you've got to do that. Yeah, absolutely got

682
00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:36,573
Speaker 3: it. It's great, great for the BRAINEP and you know, great

683
00:30:36,613 --> 00:30:40,933
Speaker 3: for the great for just the mental capabilities.

684
00:30:41,253 --> 00:30:42,533
Speaker 4: Lawn bowls are certainly up there.

685
00:30:42,973 --> 00:30:45,773
Speaker 3: Mal welcome to the show. You're fifty four and ready

686
00:30:45,773 --> 00:30:46,253
Speaker 3: to retire?

687
00:30:47,373 --> 00:30:48,293
Speaker 7: Oh, count up?

688
00:30:49,453 --> 00:30:54,093
Speaker 18: Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. I've been working with the hourly

689
00:30:54,213 --> 00:30:58,573
Speaker 18: for over twenty years and did a lot of paleative

690
00:30:58,693 --> 00:31:00,813
Speaker 18: care and they all back, well, they didn't have the

691
00:31:00,893 --> 00:31:04,813
Speaker 18: aide and that twenty five years ago, you know, and

692
00:31:05,093 --> 00:31:07,413
Speaker 18: you sort of people and stuff. So now my back

693
00:31:07,493 --> 00:31:11,013
Speaker 18: is kind of hurting. And my husband, he's a trade

694
00:31:11,893 --> 00:31:16,373
Speaker 18: and he's his body's broken. He's just been working, working,

695
00:31:16,493 --> 00:31:19,773
Speaker 18: you know. And we both started when we're probably not

696
00:31:20,093 --> 00:31:23,573
Speaker 18: palliative care and trading stuff, but started working when we're

697
00:31:23,613 --> 00:31:28,093
Speaker 18: in our teams, you know. So it's forty plus years

698
00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:31,733
Speaker 18: or forty years of you know, hard work basically. Now

699
00:31:31,773 --> 00:31:34,853
Speaker 18: we're at this point and we're like, yeah, no, we

700
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,333
Speaker 18: can't wait. But he's got a super in Australia and

701
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:42,333
Speaker 18: it expires when he's sixty, so we can retire when

702
00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:46,293
Speaker 18: he turned sixty, which is in five years, so I

703
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:49,413
Speaker 18: can finish for it too. So we're actually looking for

704
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:53,413
Speaker 18: that and we're like mortgage free. We've got a little

705
00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,413
Speaker 18: bit of land, but we're looking at and it's been

706
00:31:55,493 --> 00:31:58,813
Speaker 18: in a bigger plot of land. So my husband loves

707
00:31:58,813 --> 00:32:01,893
Speaker 18: building stuff and he's you know, he's built everything for us,

708
00:32:02,653 --> 00:32:06,773
Speaker 18: and we want to bring our children home from Australia

709
00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:09,333
Speaker 18: to make like a public eye for all of us though,

710
00:32:09,773 --> 00:32:11,413
Speaker 18: you know, because things are so hard for them to

711
00:32:12,533 --> 00:32:16,613
Speaker 18: to get into homes and stuff like that, and that

712
00:32:16,653 --> 00:32:21,573
Speaker 18: would be the planful when we retired. Well, uh, that's

713
00:32:21,653 --> 00:32:21,973
Speaker 18: the plan.

714
00:32:22,573 --> 00:32:25,533
Speaker 3: Cool And so I mean so so you so how

715
00:32:25,533 --> 00:32:28,253
Speaker 3: long away is that until your husband's sixty?

716
00:32:29,813 --> 00:32:30,373
Speaker 18: Five years?

717
00:32:30,453 --> 00:32:33,013
Speaker 3: Five years? You're counting down five years?

718
00:32:33,413 --> 00:32:33,693
Speaker 19: Oh?

719
00:32:33,733 --> 00:32:40,413
Speaker 18: Absolutely, Like every every afternoon we're almost rubbing each other

720
00:32:40,453 --> 00:32:42,733
Speaker 18: down with deep people because you know, you just saw

721
00:32:42,893 --> 00:32:45,933
Speaker 18: your body. You know, don't take that the wrong way,

722
00:32:45,973 --> 00:32:48,813
Speaker 18: but I mean it's like you're just in pain now

723
00:32:49,413 --> 00:32:51,813
Speaker 18: and you struggle every morning to get up, but you

724
00:32:51,893 --> 00:32:54,013
Speaker 18: do it for the love of for myself. It's the

725
00:32:54,093 --> 00:32:57,813
Speaker 18: love of the job. Yeah, love with the elderly and

726
00:32:57,813 --> 00:33:04,213
Speaker 18: and that. But I'm tired, and it's like, yeah, I'm like, no,

727
00:33:04,613 --> 00:33:05,933
Speaker 18: we can't wait, we can't wait.

728
00:33:07,053 --> 00:33:07,973
Speaker 4: It's very different.

729
00:33:08,013 --> 00:33:11,333
Speaker 18: We had wait till sixty five, Wait till then. God

730
00:33:11,413 --> 00:33:13,413
Speaker 18: only knows what the state of the body will be here.

731
00:33:13,573 --> 00:33:16,893
Speaker 4: Yeah, ten years a lot longer than five years.

732
00:33:16,093 --> 00:33:19,653
Speaker 18: Oh, man, tell you. And then what are we going

733
00:33:19,733 --> 00:33:21,653
Speaker 18: to say? Because like my dad here was in the

734
00:33:21,653 --> 00:33:24,973
Speaker 18: freezing works for over fifty years. By the time he retired,

735
00:33:25,013 --> 00:33:27,893
Speaker 18: he got cancer. He had bought he'd bought a big

736
00:33:27,933 --> 00:33:30,933
Speaker 18: boat to go. She he's got to set himself up.

737
00:33:31,013 --> 00:33:34,213
Speaker 18: It's a big car, the big got a camper van

738
00:33:34,293 --> 00:33:36,093
Speaker 18: and all that, because those were his dreams what he

739
00:33:36,133 --> 00:33:38,053
Speaker 18: wanted to do when you finished work and he started

740
00:33:38,093 --> 00:33:41,133
Speaker 18: working the thirteen you know, and then got to that

741
00:33:41,213 --> 00:33:44,853
Speaker 18: age and he retired and got really sick and other stuff.

742
00:33:46,573 --> 00:33:47,533
Speaker 4: Yeah.

743
00:33:47,573 --> 00:33:49,733
Speaker 3: So if you if you guys managed to retire in

744
00:33:49,773 --> 00:33:51,453
Speaker 3: five years, you should be able to have quite a

745
00:33:51,453 --> 00:33:54,133
Speaker 3: few really good years on on on your on your land.

746
00:33:54,653 --> 00:33:57,613
Speaker 3: And that's a beautiful story. It's definitely a different thing, though,

747
00:33:57,653 --> 00:34:00,253
Speaker 3: isn't it. You know, the different jobs. Yeah, you know,

748
00:34:00,333 --> 00:34:03,133
Speaker 3: as I said before, you can you know, you know

749
00:34:03,213 --> 00:34:06,413
Speaker 3: if you have physical labor. Obviously obviously it doesn't need

750
00:34:06,453 --> 00:34:09,413
Speaker 3: to be said. But it's a very very different lifestyle

751
00:34:09,453 --> 00:34:12,133
Speaker 3: and a very different thing. I mean, it's you know,

752
00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:14,292
Speaker 3: some jobs you can keep going to the eighty five,

753
00:34:14,733 --> 00:34:15,573
Speaker 3: some you cannot.

754
00:34:15,652 --> 00:34:18,252
Speaker 4: One hundred percent yep, right, Oh, one hundred and eighty

755
00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:20,573
Speaker 4: teen eighty is the number to call. We'll play some

756
00:34:20,613 --> 00:34:23,333
Speaker 4: messages and come back with more of your thoughts. We've

757
00:34:23,373 --> 00:34:26,533
Speaker 4: got Jacob on the line. He's thirty and he reckons

758
00:34:26,533 --> 00:34:29,172
Speaker 4: he'll retire in his fifties. We'll find out why soon.

759
00:34:31,053 --> 00:34:34,253
Speaker 2: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

760
00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:35,453
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

761
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:38,973
Speaker 1: It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks Envy.

762
00:34:40,533 --> 00:34:43,373
Speaker 4: It is eight to two and we're talking about whether

763
00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:46,133
Speaker 4: you'll be able to retire at sixty five, or whether

764
00:34:46,173 --> 00:34:48,893
Speaker 4: you'd want to retire at sixty five. We're working longer.

765
00:34:48,973 --> 00:34:51,613
Speaker 4: Quick text here, getay, guys on forty three. I've spent

766
00:34:51,653 --> 00:34:54,652
Speaker 4: my whole life slaving away on a dairy farm and

767
00:34:54,733 --> 00:34:56,813
Speaker 4: working on the shovel. I'll be lucky if I make

768
00:34:56,853 --> 00:34:59,133
Speaker 4: sixty because I'm wrecked. But I'll tell you a sleep

769
00:34:59,173 --> 00:35:01,173
Speaker 4: in the ground will be as good as retirement from me.

770
00:35:01,213 --> 00:35:03,812
Speaker 3: From Brad fifty eight year old male here are hard

771
00:35:03,813 --> 00:35:05,533
Speaker 3: out trying to get my wife to get a second

772
00:35:05,573 --> 00:35:06,493
Speaker 3: job so I can retire.

773
00:35:06,573 --> 00:35:09,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, good man, good luck with that. Absolutely, Jacob.

774
00:35:10,013 --> 00:35:13,413
Speaker 3: You're thirty, but you want to retire in twenty five years.

775
00:35:14,133 --> 00:35:15,453
Speaker 17: That's the plan, mate, that's the plan.

776
00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:16,533
Speaker 3: How you going about it?

777
00:35:17,653 --> 00:35:18,053
Speaker 1: I'm good.

778
00:35:18,093 --> 00:35:20,333
Speaker 7: I'm working hard to work six days a week, trying

779
00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:23,133
Speaker 7: to work seven if I could. But I'm just saving, saving,

780
00:35:23,173 --> 00:35:25,652
Speaker 7: saving as much as i can and hopefully the time

781
00:35:25,733 --> 00:35:27,893
Speaker 7: I'm fifty to fifty five to be able to chuck.

782
00:35:27,733 --> 00:35:28,413
Speaker 17: The old feed up.

783
00:35:28,653 --> 00:35:32,533
Speaker 3: And what profession are you in? I'm a builder, okay?

784
00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:36,773
Speaker 3: And so so you're making enough, Like how much do

785
00:35:36,813 --> 00:35:39,453
Speaker 3: you think you need to have in the bank or

786
00:35:39,813 --> 00:35:41,652
Speaker 3: assets to retire at fifty five?

787
00:35:42,733 --> 00:35:44,413
Speaker 7: Well, as long as you're good with your money and

788
00:35:44,453 --> 00:35:46,253
Speaker 7: you know what you're doing, you should be able to

789
00:35:46,253 --> 00:35:48,813
Speaker 7: make it work and chucking, you know, chuck your money

790
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:51,172
Speaker 7: and different investments here and there, and just keep your

791
00:35:51,213 --> 00:35:51,973
Speaker 7: options open.

792
00:35:52,333 --> 00:35:53,732
Speaker 9: You know, I've been saving.

793
00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:55,973
Speaker 17: Away for a while now, and there's just there's there's

794
00:35:56,013 --> 00:35:57,172
Speaker 17: many opportunities out there.

795
00:35:57,173 --> 00:36:00,973
Speaker 3: As am I detecting a Southland accent there, Jacob? Or

796
00:36:00,973 --> 00:36:01,453
Speaker 3: am I wrong?

797
00:36:02,253 --> 00:36:02,453
Speaker 7: Yeah?

798
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:03,813
Speaker 4: Yep, far in the cargo.

799
00:36:05,053 --> 00:36:06,573
Speaker 3: Yeah. So do you think do you think it might

800
00:36:06,613 --> 00:36:08,773
Speaker 3: be easier to retire? You plan to retire down there,

801
00:36:08,813 --> 00:36:09,653
Speaker 3: down the south.

802
00:36:10,573 --> 00:36:13,853
Speaker 7: Yeah, hopefully something like that where there's cheaper houses. What

803
00:36:13,933 --> 00:36:16,493
Speaker 7: You're going to do is save, save, save, and I'm

804
00:36:16,533 --> 00:36:18,212
Speaker 7: just going to tuck all me money into a couple

805
00:36:18,253 --> 00:36:22,013
Speaker 7: of good properties there and I should wreak the rewards after.

806
00:36:22,253 --> 00:36:26,013
Speaker 3: It does seem more doable to retire in Southland at

807
00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:28,413
Speaker 3: fifty five than it would be in Auckland with the

808
00:36:28,413 --> 00:36:30,093
Speaker 3: comparatible house prices.

809
00:36:30,613 --> 00:36:31,933
Speaker 17: Yeah, Oh, he's got to be realistic.

810
00:36:31,973 --> 00:36:34,613
Speaker 7: Here'd me wanting to go to Queenstown and buy a property,

811
00:36:34,613 --> 00:36:35,973
Speaker 7: you know, yeah, unreal.

812
00:36:36,173 --> 00:36:40,413
Speaker 4: Have you been reading up on this fire trend, Jacob,

813
00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:42,253
Speaker 4: this financial independence retire early?

814
00:36:44,093 --> 00:36:44,333
Speaker 20: No?

815
00:36:44,373 --> 00:36:46,733
Speaker 7: I have no right, but I don't think i'd need

816
00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:49,053
Speaker 7: to because that's just my plan and I'll tell you

817
00:36:49,093 --> 00:36:49,773
Speaker 7: what my mind.

818
00:36:49,653 --> 00:36:50,133
Speaker 17: Set on it.

819
00:36:50,413 --> 00:36:52,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, good man. The reason I asked about that,

820
00:36:52,493 --> 00:36:55,133
Speaker 4: it was a big trend that took off maybe about

821
00:36:55,133 --> 00:36:57,652
Speaker 4: three four five years ago, about a whole bunch of

822
00:36:57,653 --> 00:36:59,653
Speaker 4: young people that were trying to get into investments, and

823
00:36:59,973 --> 00:37:02,493
Speaker 4: the idea is that if you've got enough in the bank,

824
00:37:02,573 --> 00:37:05,613
Speaker 4: you can live on the four percent return that you're

825
00:37:05,653 --> 00:37:07,893
Speaker 4: going to get each year, and hopefully you're going to

826
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:10,373
Speaker 4: get a decent return. But more and more of them

827
00:37:10,373 --> 00:37:13,293
Speaker 4: were realizing that they were bored, so they managed to

828
00:37:13,293 --> 00:37:15,933
Speaker 4: get there. They retired early in their fifties and had

829
00:37:16,053 --> 00:37:17,933
Speaker 4: enough money to keep them going and then got them

830
00:37:17,933 --> 00:37:20,292
Speaker 4: back into the workforce because they just couldn't sit around

831
00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:20,813
Speaker 4: doing nothing.

832
00:37:22,053 --> 00:37:23,693
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, we'd see that we're on different mate. If

833
00:37:23,733 --> 00:37:25,813
Speaker 7: I was sitting around home, I would be doing all

834
00:37:25,813 --> 00:37:26,253
Speaker 7: sorts to.

835
00:37:26,173 --> 00:37:26,733
Speaker 21: Try and get him.

836
00:37:26,733 --> 00:37:29,093
Speaker 7: On the long I would travel, I would find something

837
00:37:29,133 --> 00:37:29,333
Speaker 7: to do.

838
00:37:30,293 --> 00:37:32,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, good on you Jacob and good Man.

839
00:37:32,413 --> 00:37:35,333
Speaker 4: Yeah love it. A couple of techs to get to

840
00:37:35,373 --> 00:37:35,893
Speaker 4: the news.

841
00:37:36,373 --> 00:37:39,013
Speaker 3: Own businesses since I was twenty nine, sold my last

842
00:37:39,013 --> 00:37:41,173
Speaker 3: one at sixty seven, and now two years later starting

843
00:37:41,173 --> 00:37:44,373
Speaker 3: a small business again. Need to feel worthy and useful again,

844
00:37:44,653 --> 00:37:46,893
Speaker 3: just to keep me busy ten hours a week.

845
00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:49,213
Speaker 4: That's from Chris so retiring then unretiring.

846
00:37:49,293 --> 00:37:51,133
Speaker 3: Yep, hi, guys, on forty three, I've spent my whole

847
00:37:51,133 --> 00:37:53,613
Speaker 3: life slaving away dairy farming and working on a shovel.

848
00:37:53,653 --> 00:37:55,493
Speaker 3: I'll be lucky if I make it to sixty because

849
00:37:55,493 --> 00:37:58,773
Speaker 3: I'm wrecked. But I tell you a sleep in the

850
00:37:58,813 --> 00:38:02,133
Speaker 3: ground will be as good as retirement for me. Cheers Brad. Yep,

851
00:38:02,173 --> 00:38:04,732
Speaker 3: So he's looking forward to just jumping in the grave,

852
00:38:04,973 --> 00:38:05,573
Speaker 3: pushing it up.

853
00:38:05,613 --> 00:38:07,893
Speaker 4: He's working hard, Brad on the dairy farm. Guys, just

854
00:38:07,893 --> 00:38:11,893
Speaker 4: stretched and very cram don't retire before fifty or even forty,

855
00:38:11,933 --> 00:38:14,133
Speaker 4: no matter how much money you have. On forty, I

856
00:38:14,173 --> 00:38:15,973
Speaker 4: have a truck ton of cash. I don't work. My

857
00:38:16,013 --> 00:38:19,053
Speaker 4: money works for me. I'm miserable as beep. It's almost

858
00:38:19,053 --> 00:38:21,973
Speaker 4: two pm and I'm still in my dressing ground gown.

859
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:22,693
Speaker 4: Keep working.

860
00:38:22,973 --> 00:38:24,853
Speaker 3: Oh, there you go. And this one says my wife

861
00:38:25,053 --> 00:38:28,893
Speaker 3: is gonna work me until she's bled me dry and

862
00:38:29,013 --> 00:38:30,293
Speaker 3: can see me in the ground.

863
00:38:31,413 --> 00:38:32,773
Speaker 4: Already hit enough.

864
00:38:32,773 --> 00:38:33,613
Speaker 3: I want to end on that one.

865
00:38:33,893 --> 00:38:38,413
Speaker 4: No, have you got a more positive? Guys, will be

866
00:38:38,453 --> 00:38:40,093
Speaker 4: seventy three at the end of the month, still working

867
00:38:40,133 --> 00:38:44,013
Speaker 4: full time, no thought of retiring. Absolutely love my job

868
00:38:44,053 --> 00:38:46,173
Speaker 4: and life. From Clive, how's that that's a positive?

869
00:38:46,733 --> 00:38:47,013
Speaker 3: That one?

870
00:38:47,013 --> 00:38:47,333
Speaker 4: Shall we?

871
00:38:47,453 --> 00:38:47,692
Speaker 14: Yeah?

872
00:38:47,733 --> 00:38:51,173
Speaker 4: Exactly? And Darcy is out there looking very happy with

873
00:38:51,173 --> 00:38:53,133
Speaker 4: a bit of cake. He'll never retire, will you, Darcy?

874
00:38:53,813 --> 00:38:56,573
Speaker 4: There we go, good man. Right coming up, we're going

875
00:38:56,613 --> 00:38:58,613
Speaker 4: to have a chat about did you have a preference

876
00:38:58,693 --> 00:39:01,493
Speaker 4: for your children before they were born? There's a growing

877
00:39:01,573 --> 00:39:04,573
Speaker 4: trend of a preference for girls. Has that been a

878
00:39:04,573 --> 00:39:07,533
Speaker 4: situation with your own family? And Matt's did have a

879
00:39:07,613 --> 00:39:09,573
Speaker 4: preference with his particular children? And he will tell you

880
00:39:09,573 --> 00:39:13,133
Speaker 4: what that is after two o'clock. Great if your company

881
00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:16,613
Speaker 4: is always you're listening to Metton Tyler, very very good

882
00:39:16,653 --> 00:39:19,893
Speaker 4: afternoons you knew sport and weather on its way along

883
00:39:19,893 --> 00:39:31,093
Speaker 4: with a bit of Beatles.

884
00:39:25,773 --> 00:39:35,413
Speaker 20: Chuck Manday, Send me a postcard, drop me a line

885
00:39:35,973 --> 00:39:42,053
Speaker 20: stating mind of view. What do you mean to say

886
00:39:42,813 --> 00:39:45,853
Speaker 20: you're sincerely wasting away?

887
00:39:46,173 --> 00:39:47,413
Speaker 4: Give me your answer?

888
00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:51,013
Speaker 1: Well in a mom I'm friend.

889
00:39:50,853 --> 00:39:55,613
Speaker 20: Of man and will still need me, will still give

890
00:39:55,693 --> 00:39:57,613
Speaker 20: me when I'm sixteen?

891
00:39:59,213 --> 00:40:09,093
Speaker 1: Who talking with you all afternoon?

892
00:40:09,413 --> 00:40:12,973
Speaker 2: It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

893
00:40:13,013 --> 00:40:16,692
Speaker 4: It'd be welcome back into the show six past two.

894
00:40:16,773 --> 00:40:19,893
Speaker 4: Great to have your company as always. This is going

895
00:40:19,973 --> 00:40:24,013
Speaker 4: to be a very very interesting discussion. It's an article

896
00:40:24,053 --> 00:40:27,253
Speaker 4: based in the Economist, The Stunning decline of the preference

897
00:40:27,293 --> 00:40:30,173
Speaker 4: for having boys. So there's a worldwide trend of couples

898
00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:33,773
Speaker 4: preferring to have girls rather than boys. It's down to

899
00:40:34,013 --> 00:40:37,172
Speaker 4: a myriad of reasons. According to this author, some think

900
00:40:37,213 --> 00:40:40,373
Speaker 4: girls are easier to raise or cherish feminine traits. In

901
00:40:40,413 --> 00:40:44,013
Speaker 4: some countries, they may assume that looking after elderly parents

902
00:40:44,093 --> 00:40:47,853
Speaker 4: is a daughter's job. But it is an incredibly interesting

903
00:40:47,933 --> 00:40:49,733
Speaker 4: article and worth a read, and we'll give you some

904
00:40:49,773 --> 00:40:53,493
Speaker 4: more figures on some of the claims made by this

905
00:40:53,533 --> 00:40:54,493
Speaker 4: particular author.

906
00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:59,413
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they make an absolutely shocking claim at the

907
00:40:59,573 --> 00:41:01,893
Speaker 3: end that the world would be a better place if

908
00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:05,453
Speaker 3: there's more women in it than men. They back it

909
00:41:05,533 --> 00:41:08,333
Speaker 3: up with no evidence of that, or.

910
00:41:11,453 --> 00:41:12,493
Speaker 4: I'll find the line here.

911
00:41:12,493 --> 00:41:15,252
Speaker 3: But effectively, it would not be as bad as too

912
00:41:15,253 --> 00:41:17,533
Speaker 3: many men. Too many women would not be as bad

913
00:41:17,533 --> 00:41:19,493
Speaker 3: as too many men. A surplus of single woman is

914
00:41:19,573 --> 00:41:23,013
Speaker 3: unlikely beound physically abusive. Indeed, you might speculate that a

915
00:41:23,093 --> 00:41:26,733
Speaker 3: mostly female world would be a more peaceful and better

916
00:41:26,933 --> 00:41:28,093
Speaker 3: run place.

917
00:41:28,813 --> 00:41:32,573
Speaker 4: Really, well, the author can speculate on that, Really, are

918
00:41:32,613 --> 00:41:33,053
Speaker 4: they right?

919
00:41:33,453 --> 00:41:36,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you've got to provide some evidence to

920
00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:39,013
Speaker 3: the economists before you say that. But anyway, that's not

921
00:41:39,093 --> 00:41:41,973
Speaker 3: directly what we want to talk about. I mean, just

922
00:41:42,013 --> 00:41:47,093
Speaker 3: another boding. That's absolutely shocking. Global sex selection selective abortion

923
00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:52,573
Speaker 3: has fallen dramatically from one point six million missing girls

924
00:41:52,613 --> 00:41:55,973
Speaker 3: in two thousand to two hundred thousand and twenty twenty five.

925
00:41:56,333 --> 00:41:58,893
Speaker 4: Interesting, that is a big drops.

926
00:41:59,173 --> 00:42:03,533
Speaker 3: That's a crazy situation. But anyway, girls or boys? Yeah,

927
00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:07,013
Speaker 3: did you have a preference? I can say right now

928
00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:11,413
Speaker 3: categorically that I did have a preference. When we were

929
00:42:11,413 --> 00:42:15,333
Speaker 3: having our first baby, I was like, fingers crossed, hope

930
00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:17,652
Speaker 3: it's a boy. And then with the second one, I

931
00:42:17,693 --> 00:42:20,213
Speaker 3: was fingers cross hope it's a boy. Ye, And both

932
00:42:20,293 --> 00:42:20,973
Speaker 3: times I got.

933
00:42:20,813 --> 00:42:24,293
Speaker 4: Boys two for two. Yeah, And so why was the

934
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:25,973
Speaker 4: preference for boys on both accounts?

935
00:42:26,093 --> 00:42:29,133
Speaker 3: Okay, So on the first account, it was because I

936
00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:32,053
Speaker 3: was worried for you know, I was didn't really know

937
00:42:32,173 --> 00:42:33,933
Speaker 3: much about the world, I guess back then, but I

938
00:42:33,973 --> 00:42:37,653
Speaker 3: was worried about bringing up a girl. I didn't feel

939
00:42:37,693 --> 00:42:40,693
Speaker 3: like I knew much about bringing up a girl, so

940
00:42:40,733 --> 00:42:42,373
Speaker 3: I was kind of scared that I'd get that wrong.

941
00:42:42,413 --> 00:42:46,213
Speaker 3: I was also scared for them in the world. Stupidly,

942
00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:50,133
Speaker 3: I thought that that boys. I just thought the boys had.

943
00:42:49,973 --> 00:42:52,093
Speaker 4: It easier in the world. You'd been there, done that.

944
00:42:52,373 --> 00:42:54,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was worried. I was more. I was

945
00:42:54,573 --> 00:42:56,853
Speaker 3: massively concerned about it bringing a girl into the world.

946
00:42:56,893 --> 00:42:58,813
Speaker 3: I just thought, boy a boy, all all the things

947
00:42:58,893 --> 00:43:01,613
Speaker 3: you know, and you know when you look in the

948
00:43:01,653 --> 00:43:05,253
Speaker 3: media and you know, watch movies and terrible things happening

949
00:43:05,253 --> 00:43:07,893
Speaker 3: to females. I just thought I'd rather bring a boy

950
00:43:07,893 --> 00:43:11,493
Speaker 3: into the As it plays out, it's actually much more

951
00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:13,093
Speaker 3: dangerous to be a male in the world than it

952
00:43:13,093 --> 00:43:16,133
Speaker 3: has to be a female. Well, it always has been

953
00:43:16,413 --> 00:43:20,613
Speaker 3: and is more so, probably less so now, but just men.

954
00:43:21,053 --> 00:43:24,133
Speaker 3: Boys tend to die younger than women and tend to

955
00:43:24,213 --> 00:43:27,533
Speaker 3: have more problems, as this article points out. But then

956
00:43:27,573 --> 00:43:29,533
Speaker 3: the second one. I wanted a boy as well because

957
00:43:29,533 --> 00:43:33,093
Speaker 3: I'd grow up with three lovely sisters. My sisters are fantastic,

958
00:43:33,093 --> 00:43:34,653
Speaker 3: all three of them, but they didn't really want to

959
00:43:34,653 --> 00:43:37,693
Speaker 3: play cricket with me, and it was very hard to

960
00:43:37,733 --> 00:43:39,693
Speaker 3: get them to bowl a ball at me and the

961
00:43:39,773 --> 00:43:42,213
Speaker 3: driveway or in the backyard. And so I wanted my

962
00:43:42,293 --> 00:43:44,573
Speaker 3: son to have a son to blay sports with because

963
00:43:44,573 --> 00:43:47,253
Speaker 3: I'd missed out on that. So that was my reasoning.

964
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:48,853
Speaker 3: I wanted boys both times.

965
00:43:49,213 --> 00:43:52,693
Speaker 4: In my family there's I've got three full blooded brothers,

966
00:43:52,693 --> 00:43:55,133
Speaker 4: but Mum would dearly have loved to have a daughter.

967
00:43:55,173 --> 00:43:58,893
Speaker 4: At Sun's stage, I think she loves us boys. But

968
00:43:59,973 --> 00:44:02,093
Speaker 4: after three boys, I think she said, I've got enough

969
00:44:02,173 --> 00:44:04,853
Speaker 4: children and I won't have a daughter. And she was

970
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:06,893
Speaker 4: more than okay with that. But that's what happens to

971
00:44:06,933 --> 00:44:09,413
Speaker 4: a lot of families, right If they have a series

972
00:44:09,453 --> 00:44:12,853
Speaker 4: of the same gender, then they might keep trying, hoping

973
00:44:12,933 --> 00:44:15,293
Speaker 4: to have a bit of a mix, and they might

974
00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:18,533
Speaker 4: be And maybe's family situation. For example, four daughters and

975
00:44:18,693 --> 00:44:22,453
Speaker 4: fantastic family, very much loved. But I think her father,

976
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:24,533
Speaker 4: Pete would very much have liked a son. But after

977
00:44:24,573 --> 00:44:26,533
Speaker 4: four daughters, I think they both said, like, this is

978
00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:28,653
Speaker 4: big enough family, so we'll leave it at that.

979
00:44:28,773 --> 00:44:30,453
Speaker 3: You can keep going and keep going and keep going

980
00:44:30,453 --> 00:44:31,692
Speaker 3: and trying to get the mixed right, and you'll never

981
00:44:31,733 --> 00:44:32,013
Speaker 3: get there.

982
00:44:32,133 --> 00:44:35,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So did you have a preference for the

983
00:44:35,093 --> 00:44:37,253
Speaker 4: gender of your children? Love to hear from you on oh,

984
00:44:37,293 --> 00:44:40,493
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty It's very true, says

985
00:44:40,533 --> 00:44:40,853
Speaker 4: the sex.

986
00:44:40,893 --> 00:44:43,133
Speaker 3: The world would be more peaceful place run by women,

987
00:44:43,173 --> 00:44:47,212
Speaker 3: but scientifically and economically it would be in ruins. That's interesting. Hi, guys,

988
00:44:47,213 --> 00:44:48,692
Speaker 3: the world would be a better place if there were

989
00:44:48,733 --> 00:44:51,373
Speaker 3: more women because they generally have less ego than men.

990
00:44:51,533 --> 00:44:53,853
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm a guy, But as having less ego,

991
00:44:54,653 --> 00:44:57,053
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. I don't know if that

992
00:44:57,173 --> 00:44:59,413
Speaker 3: is true that women have less ego than men. I

993
00:44:59,453 --> 00:45:02,573
Speaker 3: know lots of women with huge egos. Yeah, but is

994
00:45:03,173 --> 00:45:04,812
Speaker 3: less ego make for a better world?

995
00:45:04,853 --> 00:45:05,213
Speaker 4: I don't know.

996
00:45:05,333 --> 00:45:09,173
Speaker 3: Don't you want people with crazy ambitions and doing stupid things?

997
00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:11,333
Speaker 4: Well that's the follow up question. Do you think the

998
00:45:11,333 --> 00:45:13,573
Speaker 4: world would be a better place? I just watched one.

999
00:45:13,653 --> 00:45:17,773
Speaker 3: I watched another documentary with Shackleton documentary last night. He's

1000
00:45:17,813 --> 00:45:21,813
Speaker 3: my favorite person ever, a Sheckleton legend. And and you know,

1001
00:45:21,893 --> 00:45:23,653
Speaker 3: he had ego and he did something stupid, but the

1002
00:45:23,693 --> 00:45:25,533
Speaker 3: world's a better place for his adventures.

1003
00:45:25,573 --> 00:45:28,093
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1004
00:45:28,133 --> 00:45:30,693
Speaker 4: the number to call. Did you have a preference for

1005
00:45:30,773 --> 00:45:32,933
Speaker 4: the gender of your children? And do you think more

1006
00:45:32,973 --> 00:45:34,853
Speaker 4: women would make the world a better place? Love to

1007
00:45:34,893 --> 00:45:35,333
Speaker 4: hear from you.

1008
00:45:35,373 --> 00:45:38,773
Speaker 3: As the Economist controversially claims without evidence.

1009
00:45:38,733 --> 00:45:41,733
Speaker 4: Twelve Fast Too.

1010
00:45:41,493 --> 00:45:45,652
Speaker 2: Your home of afternoon talk. Mad he than Taylor Adams afternoons.

1011
00:45:45,893 --> 00:45:48,893
Speaker 2: Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk said, be.

1012
00:45:51,253 --> 00:45:54,573
Speaker 4: Very good afternoon, Shiere. It is fourteen past two, and

1013
00:45:54,653 --> 00:45:56,653
Speaker 4: we're talking about a story in the economists. There is

1014
00:45:56,693 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 4: a decline of a preference for having boys as children.

1015
00:46:00,493 --> 00:46:02,853
Speaker 4: More and more couples around the world would prefer to

1016
00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:06,333
Speaker 4: have girls females as their children. I mean, did you

1017
00:46:06,533 --> 00:46:09,013
Speaker 4: have a preference when you had your own children.

1018
00:46:08,693 --> 00:46:10,732
Speaker 3: Because Sexy said, I always wanted a girl, and lucky

1019
00:46:10,813 --> 00:46:12,933
Speaker 3: enough had a daughter. I love to dance, so wanted

1020
00:46:12,933 --> 00:46:13,453
Speaker 3: a dancer.

1021
00:46:14,373 --> 00:46:15,253
Speaker 4: Boys can dance.

1022
00:46:16,333 --> 00:46:19,173
Speaker 3: Again, lucky enough, my daughter does love to dance, and

1023
00:46:19,213 --> 00:46:21,533
Speaker 3: at the age of four started a competition dancing and

1024
00:46:21,573 --> 00:46:23,933
Speaker 3: now at six is still dancing and still loving it.

1025
00:46:24,053 --> 00:46:24,252
Speaker 4: Kim.

1026
00:46:24,653 --> 00:46:26,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, the trek is keeping them going through high school

1027
00:46:26,813 --> 00:46:28,013
Speaker 3: and the things that you love them doing.

1028
00:46:28,413 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1029
00:46:30,973 --> 00:46:33,933
Speaker 4: the number to call. Did you were you surprised with

1030
00:46:34,173 --> 00:46:37,533
Speaker 4: the gender of your two sons? Did you know as

1031
00:46:37,933 --> 00:46:41,333
Speaker 4: did you you get the ultra sound and you find

1032
00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:42,093
Speaker 4: out ahead of time?

1033
00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:44,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you want you want to find out ahead

1034
00:46:44,293 --> 00:46:44,613
Speaker 3: of time.

1035
00:46:45,413 --> 00:46:46,493
Speaker 4: You've got to find out ahead of time.

1036
00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:48,613
Speaker 3: I mean, that's ridiculous, just waiting to the day you

1037
00:46:48,653 --> 00:46:51,133
Speaker 3: know you want to start working on the name in advance.

1038
00:46:51,213 --> 00:46:52,813
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good point. You're a planner.

1039
00:46:53,013 --> 00:46:54,853
Speaker 3: I didn't have a preference at all. Had a boy first,

1040
00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:57,213
Speaker 3: then a girl, perfect blend of both worlds. Have a

1041
00:46:57,213 --> 00:46:59,413
Speaker 3: friend who convinced herself she was having a girl and

1042
00:46:59,493 --> 00:47:01,133
Speaker 3: ended up having a boy, and now she's not the

1043
00:47:01,133 --> 00:47:03,693
Speaker 3: same after six years trying to find herself. Her husband

1044
00:47:03,773 --> 00:47:05,133
Speaker 3: is stuck with an.

1045
00:47:04,973 --> 00:47:07,613
Speaker 4: Invalid Okay, right, sorry to hear about that. Yeah, I

1046
00:47:07,653 --> 00:47:09,813
Speaker 4: ad one hundred day eighty is the number to call.

1047
00:47:09,893 --> 00:47:13,213
Speaker 4: Did you have a preference about the type of children

1048
00:47:13,293 --> 00:47:16,732
Speaker 4: or the gender of your children beforehand? And unlike Matt,

1049
00:47:16,773 --> 00:47:18,253
Speaker 4: did you make it a surprise? I mean more and

1050
00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:20,293
Speaker 4: more you hear of people to just have a surprise,

1051
00:47:20,413 --> 00:47:24,213
Speaker 4: whether there was some issues worth having a surprise, and

1052
00:47:24,253 --> 00:47:25,693
Speaker 4: you didn't know what the gender of the child was

1053
00:47:25,733 --> 00:47:26,053
Speaker 4: going to be.

1054
00:47:26,373 --> 00:47:29,533
Speaker 3: I'm at too many women is poor English. It should

1055
00:47:29,533 --> 00:47:34,413
Speaker 3: be too many women, women, women, women, too many women, Yeah,

1056
00:47:35,133 --> 00:47:37,613
Speaker 3: says Bob, Thank you very much, women women.

1057
00:47:38,373 --> 00:47:40,773
Speaker 4: This is a good one here. As a mother of

1058
00:47:40,853 --> 00:47:43,652
Speaker 4: four daughters and one son, I would definitely say the

1059
00:47:43,653 --> 00:47:45,813
Speaker 4: world would not be a better place with more women.

1060
00:47:46,693 --> 00:47:49,933
Speaker 4: Five women in the same house. Dear lord, it was

1061
00:47:50,013 --> 00:47:53,373
Speaker 4: horrible ten years of door slamming and that was just me.

1062
00:47:53,613 --> 00:47:56,653
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, as a species, we tend

1063
00:47:56,893 --> 00:48:00,172
Speaker 3: to even out if you're just going to run it

1064
00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:04,853
Speaker 3: without these horrible, evil one baby plan that they had

1065
00:48:04,853 --> 00:48:07,212
Speaker 3: in China that ended up in a lot of young

1066
00:48:07,253 --> 00:48:11,693
Speaker 3: females babies being aborted, it ends up to be about

1067
00:48:11,733 --> 00:48:15,453
Speaker 3: even but slightly more boys, I believe, because boys tend

1068
00:48:15,493 --> 00:48:20,013
Speaker 3: to die young more than females. So obviously, as evolutionarily speaking,

1069
00:48:20,533 --> 00:48:23,772
Speaker 3: we've decided that we want it to be fifty to fifty, yeah,

1070
00:48:23,893 --> 00:48:25,893
Speaker 3: or the adaptive pressures have decided they want it to

1071
00:48:25,933 --> 00:48:26,973
Speaker 3: be fifty to fifty.

1072
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:29,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Now, this is a part of the story.

1073
00:48:29,933 --> 00:48:32,173
Speaker 4: And I don't know if this technology exists in New Zealand.

1074
00:48:32,173 --> 00:48:34,733
Speaker 4: I'm sure it does. But in the future, the article

1075
00:48:34,773 --> 00:48:38,373
Speaker 4: says technology will offer parents more options. So some and

1076
00:48:38,453 --> 00:48:41,493
Speaker 4: this has been around some time in other countries. Uncontroversially,

1077
00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:45,773
Speaker 4: it is possible to tweak the genes to avoid hereditary

1078
00:48:45,813 --> 00:48:49,652
Speaker 4: diseases and to have a designer baby effectively. But more

1079
00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:53,093
Speaker 4: and more there will be technology to allow you to

1080
00:48:53,293 --> 00:48:55,613
Speaker 4: pick the gender of your particular child.

1081
00:48:55,733 --> 00:48:55,893
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1082
00:48:55,933 --> 00:48:58,813
Speaker 3: In America and Scandinavian couples are likely to have more

1083
00:48:58,893 --> 00:49:01,652
Speaker 3: children if they're early ones are male, suggesting that more

1084
00:49:01,733 --> 00:49:03,933
Speaker 3: keep trying for a girl than do so for a boy.

1085
00:49:04,293 --> 00:49:06,813
Speaker 3: When seeking to adopt, couples pay extra for girls.

1086
00:49:06,893 --> 00:49:07,933
Speaker 4: In America now.

1087
00:49:08,373 --> 00:49:13,373
Speaker 3: Are going intro into vitro fertilization if sorry, and other

1088
00:49:13,573 --> 00:49:15,853
Speaker 3: sex selection methods. And countries where it is legal to

1089
00:49:15,893 --> 00:49:19,373
Speaker 3: choose the sex of the embryo, women are increasingly opting

1090
00:49:20,093 --> 00:49:22,293
Speaker 3: for daughters. But you could read that the other way.

1091
00:49:22,453 --> 00:49:25,453
Speaker 3: It says that scanned avo couples are likelier if their

1092
00:49:25,493 --> 00:49:29,773
Speaker 3: early ones are males that they have other ones, suggesting

1093
00:49:29,933 --> 00:49:32,533
Speaker 3: that they people keep trying they want girls. Yeah, it

1094
00:49:32,573 --> 00:49:35,333
Speaker 3: could mean that having a male is better.

1095
00:49:36,093 --> 00:49:37,573
Speaker 4: It was a breeze, so let's have more.

1096
00:49:37,613 --> 00:49:40,853
Speaker 3: So easy. Yes, if you have a boy, you want

1097
00:49:40,893 --> 00:49:43,893
Speaker 3: to have more children, Yeah, because they're easier to bring up.

1098
00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:46,053
Speaker 4: Who knows. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1099
00:49:46,213 --> 00:49:48,133
Speaker 4: number to call and welcome to the show.

1100
00:49:49,173 --> 00:49:50,093
Speaker 22: Good afternoon.

1101
00:49:50,373 --> 00:49:53,652
Speaker 4: Hello, So you had a mix, did you end?

1102
00:49:54,533 --> 00:49:58,293
Speaker 22: Yes? Yes, we've had two boys and than a.

1103
00:49:58,293 --> 00:50:02,293
Speaker 4: Daughter, and you had no preferences to the gen.

1104
00:50:03,333 --> 00:50:09,373
Speaker 22: No, none whatsoever. This Yeah, we had ended up with

1105
00:50:09,493 --> 00:50:11,413
Speaker 22: three under three.

1106
00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:15,453
Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, that's good going.

1107
00:50:15,653 --> 00:50:17,613
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah it was.

1108
00:50:17,653 --> 00:50:22,053
Speaker 22: It was crazy in the olden days, but yeah it was.

1109
00:50:22,213 --> 00:50:22,813
Speaker 18: It was good.

1110
00:50:23,533 --> 00:50:29,173
Speaker 22: They grew up together and the girl could play cricket

1111
00:50:29,213 --> 00:50:35,013
Speaker 22: better than the boys. Made them fully aware.

1112
00:50:34,773 --> 00:50:35,413
Speaker 18: Of that fact.

1113
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:40,133
Speaker 3: What what What was easier in your experience to bring

1114
00:50:40,213 --> 00:50:42,293
Speaker 3: up the boy or the girls?

1115
00:50:43,053 --> 00:50:43,413
Speaker 23: Well?

1116
00:50:43,893 --> 00:50:48,973
Speaker 22: Neither really because our daughter tended the only dresses she

1117
00:50:49,093 --> 00:50:53,453
Speaker 22: possessed with her the dresses she wore for school, and

1118
00:50:53,733 --> 00:50:57,213
Speaker 22: she was a figure skater, so generally she was in

1119
00:50:57,653 --> 00:51:00,853
Speaker 22: jeans and t shirts the same as the boys. It

1120
00:51:00,933 --> 00:51:03,773
Speaker 22: was more or less like having three boys.

1121
00:51:03,813 --> 00:51:04,133
Speaker 4: Really.

1122
00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:07,453
Speaker 22: She was about twelve years old.

1123
00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:13,293
Speaker 3: And yeah, now and supplementary question, do you think the

1124
00:51:13,333 --> 00:51:15,893
Speaker 3: world would be a better place if there were more

1125
00:51:15,933 --> 00:51:19,053
Speaker 3: females in it than males? As the economists and a

1126
00:51:19,053 --> 00:51:22,853
Speaker 3: bunch of texters to news talks they'd be believe absolutely not.

1127
00:51:22,973 --> 00:51:28,013
Speaker 22: I think a mixture would be good. I think as

1128
00:51:28,093 --> 00:51:33,853
Speaker 22: women we can be quite demanding, is not the right word?

1129
00:51:33,933 --> 00:51:40,413
Speaker 22: That we see things differently two guys, and it's like parliament.

1130
00:51:40,413 --> 00:51:43,933
Speaker 22: I think it's good to have a mixture, because you know,

1131
00:51:44,013 --> 00:51:49,053
Speaker 22: you get different, different ideas different. Yeah, I don't think

1132
00:51:49,093 --> 00:51:50,453
Speaker 22: it would be any better.

1133
00:51:52,213 --> 00:51:55,293
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so good. And I once heard someone say,

1134
00:51:55,373 --> 00:51:57,253
Speaker 4: and I can't recall her name, but it was some

1135
00:51:57,293 --> 00:51:59,853
Speaker 4: sort of leadership thing, and they were talking about the

1136
00:51:59,853 --> 00:52:02,413
Speaker 4: difference between men and women in the workplace, and it was,

1137
00:52:03,013 --> 00:52:04,333
Speaker 4: if you've got to get up to the top of

1138
00:52:04,373 --> 00:52:08,053
Speaker 4: the hill, men are very good at just doing it charging.

1139
00:52:08,413 --> 00:52:10,053
Speaker 4: We've got to get to the top of the hill, boys,

1140
00:52:10,093 --> 00:52:12,533
Speaker 4: no mucking around. And women are very very good at

1141
00:52:12,533 --> 00:52:13,973
Speaker 4: finding the best way up the top of the hill.

1142
00:52:14,813 --> 00:52:19,253
Speaker 4: What was the analogy, really, Yeah.

1143
00:52:18,333 --> 00:52:20,133
Speaker 3: Well, what a horribly sexist.

1144
00:52:19,733 --> 00:52:20,172
Speaker 4: Thing to say.

1145
00:52:20,213 --> 00:52:22,893
Speaker 3: How do you know I thought you'd say that, Well,

1146
00:52:22,933 --> 00:52:25,212
Speaker 3: what if the man invents a really and clever way

1147
00:52:25,213 --> 00:52:25,893
Speaker 3: to get up the top?

1148
00:52:26,013 --> 00:52:26,373
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1149
00:52:26,453 --> 00:52:28,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, now I knew that would fire you up.

1150
00:52:28,853 --> 00:52:30,373
Speaker 3: Men have invented a bunch of stuff that get you

1151
00:52:30,453 --> 00:52:32,413
Speaker 3: up a hill pretty fast. Yeah, you know, but they

1152
00:52:32,493 --> 00:52:33,613
Speaker 3: like to charge up hills as well.

1153
00:52:33,733 --> 00:52:34,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, boys.

1154
00:52:34,853 --> 00:52:36,733
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of natural thing for a father

1155
00:52:36,813 --> 00:52:39,133
Speaker 3: to want a son and a mother to want a daughter.

1156
00:52:39,213 --> 00:52:42,133
Speaker 3: But either way, I'm sure each would be loved equally.

1157
00:52:42,533 --> 00:52:47,453
Speaker 3: Amazing woman all stretched to her heart breaking what oh

1158
00:52:47,573 --> 00:52:49,013
Speaker 3: amazing woman. All strength to her.

1159
00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:53,333
Speaker 4: They tailed off towards the end, but thank you very much. Oh,

1160
00:52:53,373 --> 00:52:55,013
Speaker 4: e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Did you have

1161
00:52:55,053 --> 00:52:57,573
Speaker 4: a preference for the gender of your children? Did you

1162
00:52:57,653 --> 00:53:00,013
Speaker 4: leave it as a surprise If you were a father,

1163
00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:03,213
Speaker 4: did you prefer to to have a son because you

1164
00:53:03,333 --> 00:53:06,093
Speaker 4: thought it was going to be hopefully easier to raise.

1165
00:53:06,133 --> 00:53:09,493
Speaker 4: You've been there, done that before. Maybe you were a

1166
00:53:09,493 --> 00:53:11,773
Speaker 4: bit worried about having a girl because look, as we know,

1167
00:53:12,573 --> 00:53:15,493
Speaker 4: girls get to an age where the boyfriend question comes

1168
00:53:15,493 --> 00:53:17,173
Speaker 4: into it. There could be hard for a lot of

1169
00:53:17,413 --> 00:53:18,173
Speaker 4: fathers to deal with.

1170
00:53:18,333 --> 00:53:19,973
Speaker 3: I mentioned yees, especially if you've been a bit of

1171
00:53:19,973 --> 00:53:22,213
Speaker 3: a scumbag yourself. Yeah, you might go, I don't want

1172
00:53:22,253 --> 00:53:23,652
Speaker 3: people like me anywhere near my daughter.

1173
00:53:23,933 --> 00:53:24,533
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1174
00:53:25,173 --> 00:53:30,293
Speaker 3: And what do you think of this saying women compliment

1175
00:53:30,293 --> 00:53:33,213
Speaker 3: each other and don't mean it, nawed it. Men insult

1176
00:53:33,253 --> 00:53:34,693
Speaker 3: each other and don't mean it. Oh that's a.

1177
00:53:34,693 --> 00:53:37,093
Speaker 4: Great say, oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighties. What

1178
00:53:37,093 --> 00:53:37,652
Speaker 4: do you think of that?

1179
00:53:37,733 --> 00:53:38,933
Speaker 3: And what do you think the world will be like

1180
00:53:38,973 --> 00:53:42,133
Speaker 3: if these trends continue in this and then people are

1181
00:53:42,173 --> 00:53:46,373
Speaker 3: choosing to have females over or wanting to have females

1182
00:53:46,413 --> 00:53:47,853
Speaker 3: over males. What do you think the world will be

1183
00:53:47,893 --> 00:53:49,533
Speaker 3: like if it became sixty percent female?

1184
00:53:49,653 --> 00:53:50,733
Speaker 4: Twenty two past.

1185
00:53:50,453 --> 00:53:58,133
Speaker 2: Two Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1186
00:53:58,173 --> 00:54:01,453
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB, Very.

1187
00:54:01,373 --> 00:54:05,493
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, and we are talking about preference over gender

1188
00:54:05,573 --> 00:54:08,933
Speaker 4: of your children. It appears more and more couples preferring

1189
00:54:09,053 --> 00:54:11,933
Speaker 4: to have girls if they can, over boys. That's an

1190
00:54:11,933 --> 00:54:14,573
Speaker 4: international trend. Was that the case for yourself when you

1191
00:54:14,613 --> 00:54:16,733
Speaker 4: had children? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1192
00:54:16,813 --> 00:54:18,893
Speaker 4: number to call A couple of texts coming through.

1193
00:54:19,373 --> 00:54:23,533
Speaker 3: Come on, lads, The pearl of women is women pronounce

1194
00:54:24,013 --> 00:54:28,292
Speaker 3: women women? Oh women nas women women. Now you're wrong.

1195
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:32,813
Speaker 3: There's one women and there's multiple women. Yeah, this texture

1196
00:54:32,853 --> 00:54:35,893
Speaker 3: is you're absolutely wrong. I'm willing to stake my professional

1197
00:54:35,933 --> 00:54:40,533
Speaker 3: reputation on it being one women and multiple women.

1198
00:54:40,653 --> 00:54:42,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yep, Matt is going to die on that hill.

1199
00:54:43,773 --> 00:54:46,613
Speaker 4: And this text says, guys, I love men, but I

1200
00:54:46,653 --> 00:54:48,613
Speaker 4: agree the world would be a better place if there

1201
00:54:48,653 --> 00:54:50,253
Speaker 4: were more females than males.

1202
00:54:51,013 --> 00:54:52,533
Speaker 3: There Probably it might be a better place for the

1203
00:54:53,373 --> 00:54:56,053
Speaker 3: for the males. Yeah, if you're if you're on might

1204
00:54:56,093 --> 00:54:57,493
Speaker 3: be better for people on tinder.

1205
00:54:57,613 --> 00:55:00,453
Speaker 4: Yep, very true. They went on to say that there'd

1206
00:55:00,493 --> 00:55:04,493
Speaker 4: be the acclaim less violence in the world, less wars,

1207
00:55:04,773 --> 00:55:08,013
Speaker 4: less crime. Yes, women commits some of these crimes as well,

1208
00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:10,373
Speaker 4: not at the same level. It's from Tania.

1209
00:55:10,613 --> 00:55:15,013
Speaker 3: Really, what a horribly sexist comment, Taniatry. I've never been

1210
00:55:15,333 --> 00:55:18,253
Speaker 3: more shocked and disgusted with sexism on news talks.

1211
00:55:18,253 --> 00:55:20,533
Speaker 4: He'd be in my life. Be grateful for a healthy

1212
00:55:20,533 --> 00:55:21,133
Speaker 4: baby whatever.

1213
00:55:21,173 --> 00:55:23,893
Speaker 3: The six absolutely, one hundred percent time, and a neo

1214
00:55:23,933 --> 00:55:27,693
Speaker 3: natal unit makes you realize what's important. Absolutely everyone.

1215
00:55:28,333 --> 00:55:28,773
Speaker 4: Everyone.

1216
00:55:28,893 --> 00:55:30,973
Speaker 3: You could have a slight preference that you wanted a

1217
00:55:30,973 --> 00:55:36,373
Speaker 3: boy or a girl, but obviously ninety nine point of

1218
00:55:36,373 --> 00:55:38,053
Speaker 3: your heart is just hoping that they're there healthy.

1219
00:55:39,813 --> 00:55:41,253
Speaker 4: Kish.

1220
00:55:41,453 --> 00:55:45,773
Speaker 3: Oh, someone says I'm wrong, it's one woman, three women. Oh,

1221
00:55:45,853 --> 00:55:47,813
Speaker 3: Am I wrong, Sharon, You're a genius.

1222
00:55:49,413 --> 00:55:51,253
Speaker 4: Kish You were happy with whatever agenda.

1223
00:55:52,253 --> 00:55:55,652
Speaker 24: Yeah, I'm happy with whatever agenda, Mate, really honestly with

1224
00:55:55,973 --> 00:55:58,213
Speaker 24: you know, well, I did want a son because I've

1225
00:55:58,213 --> 00:56:00,053
Speaker 24: did a lot of thinking about I don't have I

1226
00:56:00,053 --> 00:56:02,133
Speaker 24: don't have any kids yet, but you know, I did

1227
00:56:02,173 --> 00:56:03,773
Speaker 24: a lot of thinking around this. You know, even if

1228
00:56:03,773 --> 00:56:05,652
Speaker 24: I did have a son, You've got to think about

1229
00:56:05,733 --> 00:56:09,172
Speaker 24: if the sun turned gay, right know, at that point

1230
00:56:09,653 --> 00:56:12,293
Speaker 24: he also turns into a female side. It's just doesn't

1231
00:56:12,293 --> 00:56:14,493
Speaker 24: really matter to me, honestly. I just have to have

1232
00:56:15,093 --> 00:56:18,253
Speaker 24: to cheer for for more ballerina classes, the more soccer classes.

1233
00:56:18,293 --> 00:56:20,652
Speaker 24: So either way, if I had a daughter, it's just

1234
00:56:20,693 --> 00:56:23,493
Speaker 24: the same. It's the same same one I've giving. But

1235
00:56:23,693 --> 00:56:26,053
Speaker 24: you know, to be fair like a son because the

1236
00:56:26,093 --> 00:56:27,893
Speaker 24: things I've learned, I can pass it on to him,

1237
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:30,093
Speaker 24: and you know, he can be a better man than me.

1238
00:56:30,773 --> 00:56:33,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I think that's probably what partly in

1239
00:56:33,373 --> 00:56:34,933
Speaker 3: my thinking of wanting to have a son. But I've

1240
00:56:34,933 --> 00:56:37,213
Speaker 3: seen people, you know, my mates, that have had daughters,

1241
00:56:37,333 --> 00:56:39,373
Speaker 3: and they talk about how it being the apple of

1242
00:56:39,373 --> 00:56:42,293
Speaker 3: your eye and that special relationship between a daughter and

1243
00:56:43,693 --> 00:56:47,573
Speaker 3: you know, father and daughter is something quite special. It's

1244
00:56:47,653 --> 00:56:50,333
Speaker 3: quite different and and and it also seems to play out,

1245
00:56:50,453 --> 00:56:52,692
Speaker 3: you know, like the relationship I had with my mum

1246
00:56:52,733 --> 00:56:55,613
Speaker 3: before she passed, or for all the time before she passed,

1247
00:56:56,653 --> 00:56:59,093
Speaker 3: was it's kind of there's a father, there's a there's

1248
00:56:59,093 --> 00:57:03,453
Speaker 3: a son. A mother son relationship that's really special, different.

1249
00:57:03,213 --> 00:57:05,733
Speaker 24: Son mother relationship and the father daughter relationship because I

1250
00:57:05,733 --> 00:57:08,493
Speaker 24: have a sister, and my sister and my mother had

1251
00:57:08,573 --> 00:57:12,373
Speaker 24: to get along so well that I don't know how

1252
00:57:12,373 --> 00:57:14,413
Speaker 24: it goes on between that. But you know it's just

1253
00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:17,173
Speaker 24: it's just science, I guess yeaheah.

1254
00:57:17,213 --> 00:57:19,813
Speaker 3: And so so you you say you plan to have

1255
00:57:19,973 --> 00:57:21,973
Speaker 3: children at some point kiss?

1256
00:57:22,373 --> 00:57:23,773
Speaker 24: Yeah hopefully yeah.

1257
00:57:24,373 --> 00:57:26,133
Speaker 4: How many? How many do you reckon?

1258
00:57:26,813 --> 00:57:28,453
Speaker 3: How many? Reckon you?

1259
00:57:28,453 --> 00:57:30,613
Speaker 24: Well standard, I will go for two. If I would

1260
00:57:30,653 --> 00:57:33,893
Speaker 24: go for a boy and a girl, yeah, just the

1261
00:57:33,973 --> 00:57:35,653
Speaker 24: new true. If I get a boy and then they'll

1262
00:57:35,693 --> 00:57:38,293
Speaker 24: be good. If I get two girls, then a little tough.

1263
00:57:40,533 --> 00:57:42,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, put on your keish, Thank you very much.

1264
00:57:42,413 --> 00:57:44,573
Speaker 3: A lot of status is don't be so ignorant. Google

1265
00:57:44,613 --> 00:57:50,653
Speaker 3: how to pronounce women. It's women the emphasis on the eye.

1266
00:57:51,173 --> 00:57:54,573
Speaker 4: No, I will not swim and women. Yeah yeah, who

1267
00:57:54,773 --> 00:57:56,213
Speaker 4: kires your muppet show?

1268
00:57:57,573 --> 00:58:01,973
Speaker 3: Uh well welcome. Well you want a son, but got

1269
00:58:02,013 --> 00:58:02,973
Speaker 3: a daughter and you're loving it?

1270
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:07,933
Speaker 14: Yeah yeah, So first off, followed you over here from

1271
00:58:08,053 --> 00:58:12,293
Speaker 14: how key heap and yeah he's still a punisher. But

1272
00:58:12,333 --> 00:58:14,693
Speaker 14: now I turned forty, so I think I can listen

1273
00:58:14,693 --> 00:58:15,013
Speaker 14: to news.

1274
00:58:15,653 --> 00:58:18,933
Speaker 4: Good man. Yep, will you keep me honest?

1275
00:58:18,933 --> 00:58:20,733
Speaker 3: If I stop being a punisher, then then you tell

1276
00:58:20,773 --> 00:58:22,013
Speaker 3: me okay, because I'd hate for that dad.

1277
00:58:22,093 --> 00:58:27,253
Speaker 14: Yeah, and I'm still rocking the Daija Veroti records, mate, Yeah,

1278
00:58:27,413 --> 00:58:32,213
Speaker 14: give him. So with the whole kid thing, I had

1279
00:58:32,213 --> 00:58:34,493
Speaker 14: a bit of a crisis about even having a kid.

1280
00:58:35,333 --> 00:58:37,373
Speaker 14: Our lovely daughter was a bit of a surprise for

1281
00:58:37,453 --> 00:58:42,173
Speaker 14: both of us, and then my mindset once I got

1282
00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:45,573
Speaker 14: in line with that was, oh, I'll just be sweet,

1283
00:58:45,573 --> 00:58:48,533
Speaker 14: I'll get a little lad to all the father son

1284
00:58:48,653 --> 00:58:52,693
Speaker 14: stuff and then bam, you're having a girl. And so

1285
00:58:52,853 --> 00:58:55,213
Speaker 14: that was a sessing crisis. But yeah, like I said,

1286
00:58:55,933 --> 00:58:58,013
Speaker 14: wouldn't change it for the world now, and it really

1287
00:58:58,093 --> 00:59:01,293
Speaker 14: doesn't matter to me. In fact, in fact, I see

1288
00:59:01,293 --> 00:59:04,373
Speaker 14: some of my daughter she's six now, see her little

1289
00:59:04,493 --> 00:59:11,733
Speaker 14: boy mats at school, and they're little terrorism, little punishers.

1290
00:59:12,413 --> 00:59:15,973
Speaker 14: So so I'm quite happy with being the being the

1291
00:59:16,013 --> 00:59:19,213
Speaker 14: girl dad and getting my nails done and things like that.

1292
00:59:19,413 --> 00:59:20,573
Speaker 14: She can do whatever she likes.

1293
00:59:21,053 --> 00:59:22,613
Speaker 4: Yeah, good on you, Yeah, good on you.

1294
00:59:22,653 --> 00:59:25,533
Speaker 3: But just to go back to the start, but beforehand,

1295
00:59:25,573 --> 00:59:28,173
Speaker 3: did you did you think that you know, beforehand, you

1296
00:59:28,253 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 3: thought that you'd want to want a boy.

1297
00:59:30,813 --> 00:59:33,613
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, why of my plan was

1298
00:59:33,653 --> 00:59:37,693
Speaker 14: to never have kids at all? But you know, the

1299
00:59:37,973 --> 00:59:42,493
Speaker 14: monkey brain and nature happens. So we were blessed, as

1300
00:59:42,773 --> 00:59:45,093
Speaker 14: some people might say. But so when I got right

1301
00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:47,413
Speaker 14: with that, yeah, it was very much. Oh sweet, I

1302
00:59:47,453 --> 00:59:48,933
Speaker 14: have a little lad. That's how it's going to go.

1303
00:59:49,293 --> 00:59:52,373
Speaker 14: And then I was disappointed initially, and I feel guilty

1304
00:59:52,373 --> 00:59:55,133
Speaker 14: for that now sometimes when I look at it, thinking, oh,

1305
00:59:55,253 --> 00:59:56,653
Speaker 14: I wanted you to be a boy, and it was

1306
00:59:56,653 --> 00:59:57,413
Speaker 14: this terrible thing.

1307
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Speaker 4: Pretty natural though, well, I think, yeah.

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Speaker 14: It seems to be about going by to callers. Don't

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Speaker 14: know about old mate Kesh, were worrying about having a

1310
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Speaker 14: gay son and bale or any classes. But yeah, and

1311
01:00:08,533 --> 01:00:09,693
Speaker 14: come into it with me because.

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Speaker 3: He said that, yeah he did. Yeah we missed that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, jeez, I was.

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Speaker 14: I was. I was getting nervous and I was going

1315
01:00:18,733 --> 01:00:21,853
Speaker 14: to say something wrong and now I have so No,

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Speaker 14: it's like my daughter, she's into race cars. She sits

1317
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Speaker 14: and watches super cars with me. We do, you know,

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Speaker 14: all sorts of stuff that will play with boys, toys

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Speaker 14: or whatever. But no, I don't think it matters at

1320
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Speaker 14: all in the dand age. And yeah, and you see

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01:00:36,893 --> 01:00:39,773
Speaker 14: you see like you know, women can do everything. There's

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Speaker 14: you know, no no bars for anything these days.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely and bloody good too. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: your call. Well, if you're interested in looking at gender

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Speaker 3: and balanced, look at China, which prefers boys over girls. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's how this whole thing started. How that

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01:00:55,173 --> 01:00:57,693
Speaker 3: has changed in China. That was that was the topic

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Speaker 3: of it. But yeah, horrific one point six million girls

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01:01:01,093 --> 01:01:04,173
Speaker 3: missing in the year two thousand from from what you

1330
01:01:04,173 --> 01:01:06,893
Speaker 3: would expect. Yeah, that's in a crazy stat isn't it.

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Speaker 4: And how fast that has changed China they got rid

1332
01:01:09,293 --> 01:01:09,933
Speaker 4: of that one China.

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01:01:10,093 --> 01:01:13,533
Speaker 3: China sex ratio at birth dropped from one one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventeen point eight to one hundred and nine point

1335
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Speaker 3: eight and twenty twenty four indias from one oh nine

1336
01:01:19,133 --> 01:01:23,213
Speaker 3: point six to one oh six point eight. So it's evening,

1337
01:01:23,333 --> 01:01:25,573
Speaker 3: it's evening up. Yeah, but then boys tend to die

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01:01:25,613 --> 01:01:27,853
Speaker 3: younger than girls, so you have to have more girls

1339
01:01:28,413 --> 01:01:29,933
Speaker 3: if you want to have a fifty to fifty split.

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Speaker 4: Makes sense. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1341
01:01:32,173 --> 01:01:34,253
Speaker 4: number to call. Did you have a preference for your

1342
01:01:34,333 --> 01:01:36,133
Speaker 4: children when you had them? Love to hear from you,

1343
01:01:36,373 --> 01:01:39,493
Speaker 4: and do you think more women will make the world

1344
01:01:39,493 --> 01:01:40,773
Speaker 4: a more peaceful places?

1345
01:01:40,813 --> 01:01:44,493
Speaker 3: Pronounce women women, more women.

1346
01:01:44,653 --> 01:01:48,013
Speaker 4: Thanks women, women, Yeah, it is more women twenty eight,

1347
01:01:48,253 --> 01:01:49,173
Speaker 4: twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 5: Muppet you talk say headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 5: no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 16: California's governor has delivered a fiery speech slamming Donald Trump

1351
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Speaker 16: sending federal forces to Alay's anti deportation protests, ignoring state boundaries.

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Speaker 16: Gavin Newsom says democracy is under assault and people are

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Speaker 16: being put at risk. Protests are also breaking out in

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Speaker 16: other US cities. A review of Audung Automati key shows

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Speaker 16: young mary are overrepresented and being let down, with early

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Speaker 16: concerns raised about most of those who later went on

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Speaker 16: to offend. A christ Church soldier has been found guilty

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Speaker 16: of covertly filming women during sex in a court martial

1359
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Speaker 16: concluding today, with sentencing this afternoon. Auckland University Vice Chancellor

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Speaker 16: Dorned Freshwater, the first woman to hold the job, has

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Speaker 16: resigned six months into her second five year term. Mental

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Speaker 16: Health and Well Being Commissioned research shows people awaiting too

1363
01:02:50,893 --> 01:02:54,173
Speaker 16: long to get help. Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says

1364
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Speaker 16: people should be able to see a specialist within three weeks.

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01:02:58,333 --> 01:03:02,773
Speaker 16: The new normal marine heat waves reshaped global ecosystems. You

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Speaker 16: can read more at ens at Herald Premium. Now back

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Speaker 16: to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about a

1369
01:03:09,893 --> 01:03:13,853
Speaker 4: decline of a preference for having boys worldwide. A lot

1370
01:03:13,893 --> 01:03:17,493
Speaker 4: more couples and countries around the world would prefer to

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01:03:17,573 --> 01:03:20,333
Speaker 4: have girls over boys. So I've asked the question, did

1372
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Speaker 4: you have a preference when you had your children on

1373
01:03:22,533 --> 01:03:23,413
Speaker 4: what the gender would be.

1374
01:03:23,933 --> 01:03:27,093
Speaker 3: Here's a controversial text. Lads, I'm the father of boy

1375
01:03:27,133 --> 01:03:30,333
Speaker 3: plus girl twins and another daughter. Based on our experience,

1376
01:03:30,333 --> 01:03:33,133
Speaker 3: I would say boys are far simpler beings and girls

1377
01:03:33,133 --> 01:03:36,173
Speaker 3: are a lot more emotional. We're sitting at the precipice

1378
01:03:36,173 --> 01:03:39,453
Speaker 3: of teenage years and I'm genuinely nervous about my daughter's behavior.

1379
01:03:39,773 --> 01:03:42,893
Speaker 3: That lad will just stink and grant. Life would be

1380
01:03:42,893 --> 01:03:44,973
Speaker 3: a lot simpler if it was all lads.

1381
01:03:45,013 --> 01:03:47,053
Speaker 4: That's from Nick, and a lot of people would agree

1382
01:03:47,093 --> 01:03:48,573
Speaker 4: with that. I think I'll tell you what.

1383
01:03:48,693 --> 01:03:53,213
Speaker 3: There's something incredibly powerful about a fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen

1384
01:03:53,253 --> 01:03:56,453
Speaker 3: year old girl. I've noticed it in my family growing

1385
01:03:56,533 --> 01:03:59,053
Speaker 3: up with three fantastic sisters. But they were definitely smarter

1386
01:03:59,613 --> 01:04:05,173
Speaker 3: and that's more difficult to deal with, I'd say in

1387
01:04:05,213 --> 01:04:07,773
Speaker 3: some ways, just in my experience and just watching my

1388
01:04:07,973 --> 01:04:11,293
Speaker 3: friend that have teenage daughters, I've seen I've got some

1389
01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:14,453
Speaker 3: friends that are just in an emotional wreck and at

1390
01:04:14,453 --> 01:04:17,173
Speaker 3: what their teenage daughters are doing to them. But then,

1391
01:04:17,373 --> 01:04:19,693
Speaker 3: but that's not to say that boys aren't an absolute

1392
01:04:20,133 --> 01:04:21,653
Speaker 3: you know, they cause.

1393
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Speaker 4: A lot of stress.

1394
01:04:22,253 --> 01:04:24,693
Speaker 3: I certainly do. They take a lot of crazy risks.

1395
01:04:24,693 --> 01:04:30,413
Speaker 4: Boys, Peter, you get a did you have a preference

1396
01:04:30,413 --> 01:04:31,493
Speaker 4: for the ginger of your children?

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01:04:32,293 --> 01:04:32,333
Speaker 6: No?

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01:04:32,613 --> 01:04:36,253
Speaker 9: Mate, Well what Cain came and I look back and

1399
01:04:36,293 --> 01:04:38,813
Speaker 9: I would I wouldn't change it for the world. So

1400
01:04:39,773 --> 01:04:44,933
Speaker 9: she turned sixteen yesterday, and for the early years she

1401
01:04:45,053 --> 01:04:47,733
Speaker 9: was a little tomboy, did everything I wanted to do,

1402
01:04:47,893 --> 01:04:51,053
Speaker 9: and what she was awesome. And then she slowly found

1403
01:04:51,053 --> 01:04:54,773
Speaker 9: out that she was a girl and and slowly changed,

1404
01:04:54,813 --> 01:05:00,173
Speaker 9: and like your last caller said, small echoes into oh

1405
01:05:00,213 --> 01:05:02,453
Speaker 9: my god, this is what I have to deal with now.

1406
01:05:03,133 --> 01:05:06,493
Speaker 9: But I still wouldn't change it, because it's very cool

1407
01:05:06,573 --> 01:05:12,053
Speaker 9: that she's finally now who she is. And even though

1408
01:05:12,333 --> 01:05:17,733
Speaker 9: it's complete chaos, sometimes it's as.

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01:05:17,533 --> 01:05:18,053
Speaker 19: Well with it.

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01:05:18,173 --> 01:05:22,733
Speaker 9: And and you know, I don't even look at you know,

1411
01:05:22,973 --> 01:05:26,253
Speaker 9: I wish I had a boy. I think that's Yeah,

1412
01:05:26,333 --> 01:05:28,933
Speaker 9: She's been a great child to raise, and you know

1413
01:05:29,213 --> 01:05:31,173
Speaker 9: we'll continue raising ti.

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01:05:31,093 --> 01:05:34,493
Speaker 3: Leagues this here, right, So how old is Peter?

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01:05:35,093 --> 01:05:36,053
Speaker 9: Sixteen yesterday?

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01:05:36,253 --> 01:05:37,133
Speaker 4: Sixteen yesterday?

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01:05:37,653 --> 01:05:37,853
Speaker 1: Right?

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01:05:37,973 --> 01:05:40,933
Speaker 3: So, So this cliche, this rubbish cliche that I was

1419
01:05:40,973 --> 01:05:46,053
Speaker 3: throwing around about daughters being her ndous the difficult to

1420
01:05:46,093 --> 01:05:48,373
Speaker 3: deal with in their in their teens is not playing

1421
01:05:48,373 --> 01:05:48,813
Speaker 3: out for you.

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01:05:49,853 --> 01:05:51,533
Speaker 9: Oh she can be a bitch, don't get me wrong,

1423
01:05:53,853 --> 01:05:57,893
Speaker 9: But that's from a mama, right, yeah, so it's not

1424
01:05:58,053 --> 01:06:00,293
Speaker 9: a mindset. But you know, and you know how you're

1425
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:03,133
Speaker 9: saying that woman.

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01:06:04,813 --> 01:06:06,213
Speaker 4: Some grenades out there, Peter.

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01:06:07,293 --> 01:06:13,173
Speaker 9: It's true can be yeah. Well boys, yeah we can

1428
01:06:13,173 --> 01:06:17,053
Speaker 9: be dicks, right yeah. But the funny thing is the

1429
01:06:17,093 --> 01:06:20,933
Speaker 9: more men men usually deal with their problems. We have

1430
01:06:21,013 --> 01:06:25,333
Speaker 9: a fight, everything's fine. Women just hold on to b

1431
01:06:25,693 --> 01:06:28,413
Speaker 9: es And it's this more women in as world, I

1432
01:06:28,453 --> 01:06:31,813
Speaker 9: reckon the world would be the worst place to be honest. Yeah,

1433
01:06:31,893 --> 01:06:35,293
Speaker 9: they just hold grudges and there'd probably be more wars.

1434
01:06:35,333 --> 01:06:39,213
Speaker 9: So probably be sold with a bunch of flowers and

1435
01:06:39,373 --> 01:06:41,933
Speaker 9: a card and a hug. But you at least ask guys,

1436
01:06:41,933 --> 01:06:44,213
Speaker 9: we can ever punch up and be friends and be.

1437
01:06:44,693 --> 01:06:47,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, straight up. Thanks thanks to you.

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01:06:47,373 --> 01:06:50,293
Speaker 3: Call Peter my partner, She said to me today, we

1439
01:06:50,293 --> 01:06:52,693
Speaker 3: we're talking about the subject because I just read the article,

1440
01:06:52,733 --> 01:06:55,413
Speaker 3: and she said it seemed to her from the outside

1441
01:06:55,933 --> 01:07:00,773
Speaker 3: that men think like this. They go as can that

1442
01:07:00,813 --> 01:07:05,013
Speaker 3: guy beat me up? If no, then I'll punch them.

1443
01:07:05,893 --> 01:07:09,373
Speaker 3: If yes, I'll follow them. Basically just get a line out.

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01:07:09,453 --> 01:07:10,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty accurate.

1445
01:07:12,253 --> 01:07:16,653
Speaker 3: She thought that the way you know, females interacted this

1446
01:07:16,693 --> 01:07:19,933
Speaker 3: is in a high school type situation, was far, far

1447
01:07:20,093 --> 01:07:21,013
Speaker 3: harder to navigate.

1448
01:07:21,133 --> 01:07:24,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, a bit more mecaveliant. Do you agree with what

1449
01:07:24,613 --> 01:07:26,173
Speaker 4: Peter had to say? Oh, eight one hundred and eighty

1450
01:07:26,173 --> 01:07:28,173
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. We're going to

1451
01:07:28,213 --> 01:07:30,893
Speaker 4: play some messages, but we've got full boards. If you

1452
01:07:30,933 --> 01:07:34,773
Speaker 4: can't get through, keep trying. It is nineteen to three.

1453
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Speaker 3: new story in the media almost every day about increasingly

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Speaker 3: cunning scammers taking advantage of vulnerable New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: Your home of Afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 2: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

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Speaker 4: Said, be afternoon. So I ask the question, did you

1475
01:08:44,372 --> 01:08:46,652
Speaker 4: have a preference for the gender of your children? It

1476
01:08:46,732 --> 01:08:48,973
Speaker 4: comes on the back of a article in The Economist

1477
01:08:49,333 --> 01:08:52,572
Speaker 4: which does show that there is a decline in the

1478
01:08:52,612 --> 01:08:54,213
Speaker 4: preference for having boys worldwide.

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01:08:54,612 --> 01:08:57,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Hey, jents, we got four boys and

1480
01:08:57,253 --> 01:08:57,852
Speaker 3: four girls.

1481
01:08:57,933 --> 01:08:59,812
Speaker 4: Wow, they're all different.

1482
01:08:59,853 --> 01:09:02,492
Speaker 3: Eight is enough. They're all different from each other. Gender

1483
01:09:02,532 --> 01:09:04,652
Speaker 3: doesn't have as much to do with it as personality.

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01:09:04,692 --> 01:09:07,532
Speaker 3: I'm closer to some than others, but love them all

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01:09:07,572 --> 01:09:09,812
Speaker 3: the same. Catherine, Welcome the show.

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01:09:10,692 --> 01:09:14,453
Speaker 15: Bloh hello, thank you. So I did have a preference,

1487
01:09:14,732 --> 01:09:17,413
Speaker 15: and I did want a girl because I was extremely

1488
01:09:17,452 --> 01:09:21,492
Speaker 15: close to my mum growing up and I always wanted

1489
01:09:21,692 --> 01:09:25,213
Speaker 15: sort of the same thing with my daughter. And also

1490
01:09:25,692 --> 01:09:27,892
Speaker 15: the other reason was my sister had a couple of boys,

1491
01:09:27,933 --> 01:09:31,133
Speaker 15: and whilst they were wonderful kids, they was always in

1492
01:09:31,173 --> 01:09:33,372
Speaker 15: the mud and you know what boys are like, rough

1493
01:09:33,372 --> 01:09:36,492
Speaker 15: and tumble, and I just wanted these lovely girls playing

1494
01:09:36,532 --> 01:09:38,972
Speaker 15: with their dolls and coloring it and all that stuff.

1495
01:09:38,973 --> 01:09:40,812
Speaker 15: So that I was quite young. So these are the

1496
01:09:40,853 --> 01:09:43,652
Speaker 15: things the reasons why I wanted a girl, And after

1497
01:09:43,692 --> 01:09:46,412
Speaker 15: I've had two girls, I decided, call that's enough. That's

1498
01:09:46,452 --> 01:09:49,933
Speaker 15: what I wanted. However, someone had a different planned for me,

1499
01:09:50,013 --> 01:09:53,572
Speaker 15: and I ended up twin boys. And I do not

1500
01:09:53,812 --> 01:09:56,852
Speaker 15: regret it for one second because those boys are coming

1501
01:09:56,893 --> 01:10:00,173
Speaker 15: up forty this year and they look after their mum

1502
01:10:00,412 --> 01:10:04,012
Speaker 15: so well now the girls do too. Don't get me wrong, boy,

1503
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:06,133
Speaker 15: I'm glad someone out here was looking out for me

1504
01:10:06,253 --> 01:10:10,333
Speaker 15: because the fellows were the just amazing bring me every day,

1505
01:10:11,293 --> 01:10:12,932
Speaker 15: you know, I just talked to them all the time,

1506
01:10:13,732 --> 01:10:17,052
Speaker 15: and the life I had with them was brought around

1507
01:10:17,093 --> 01:10:21,772
Speaker 15: the country, tripping around following Kenderburry hockey and yeah I

1508
01:10:21,812 --> 01:10:22,773
Speaker 15: got the best.

1509
01:10:22,933 --> 01:10:26,173
Speaker 4: Yeah they like getting into the mud. Catherine.

1510
01:10:26,532 --> 01:10:29,892
Speaker 15: Uh well, yeah, yeah, yeah they did. But at that

1511
01:10:29,973 --> 01:10:32,452
Speaker 15: point it didn't bother me because once you have them,

1512
01:10:32,532 --> 01:10:34,932
Speaker 15: you just realize how wonderful they are. Doesn't matter what

1513
01:10:35,013 --> 01:10:38,892
Speaker 15: sex they are really our. One thing on top of that, though,

1514
01:10:38,973 --> 01:10:42,932
Speaker 15: is I worked in industries where I worked mostly with women.

1515
01:10:43,013 --> 01:10:46,053
Speaker 15: And whilst you know I love women, I am, I'm

1516
01:10:46,053 --> 01:10:50,492
Speaker 15: a woman myself and I respect them, but oh god,

1517
01:10:50,572 --> 01:10:56,732
Speaker 15: I wish I worked with more men. Well women, Well,

1518
01:10:56,812 --> 01:10:58,732
Speaker 15: I don't want to get too negative on it, but

1519
01:10:59,133 --> 01:11:01,572
Speaker 15: a bunch of women. You need a few men in

1520
01:11:01,612 --> 01:11:04,892
Speaker 15: the mixed delight in the situation, and they're just easier,

1521
01:11:05,452 --> 01:11:08,133
Speaker 15: easier people to work around and be.

1522
01:11:08,093 --> 01:11:12,133
Speaker 4: Aroun Sorry you terrible success will take it, Catherine.

1523
01:11:12,412 --> 01:11:14,012
Speaker 3: I've never been more shocked.

1524
01:11:15,372 --> 01:11:19,372
Speaker 15: Why no, because women are told and they've got so

1525
01:11:19,492 --> 01:11:21,812
Speaker 15: much going for them. But you need a maxture in

1526
01:11:21,853 --> 01:11:25,732
Speaker 15: the max, and you're working in a working environment because yeah, you.

1527
01:11:25,692 --> 01:11:28,452
Speaker 3: Know, so, so what do you think about that the

1528
01:11:28,492 --> 01:11:31,333
Speaker 3: economist this article saying that the world would be a

1529
01:11:31,333 --> 01:11:34,372
Speaker 3: better place if there were more women in it than men.

1530
01:11:35,532 --> 01:11:39,893
Speaker 15: Well, we'll never know, will be hope? I mean, maybe

1531
01:11:40,213 --> 01:11:43,372
Speaker 15: wars and stuff like that when they can be right.

1532
01:11:43,492 --> 01:11:46,892
Speaker 3: Taf as too, so well, they've had, they had, they

1533
01:11:46,933 --> 01:11:48,532
Speaker 3: had all sorts of problems when it went the other

1534
01:11:48,572 --> 01:11:51,892
Speaker 3: way with the one child policy in China and it

1535
01:11:51,973 --> 01:11:57,133
Speaker 3: started tending horrendously towards more men than women, more more

1536
01:11:57,173 --> 01:12:01,533
Speaker 3: boys than girls. So I imagine that there'll be unforeseen circumstances

1537
01:12:01,532 --> 01:12:03,013
Speaker 3: whenever it gets out of would you.

1538
01:12:03,013 --> 01:12:06,213
Speaker 15: Agree, Karen, Oh, yeah, I would. No, we need both,

1539
01:12:06,333 --> 01:12:08,133
Speaker 15: We need both in the world. They both got a

1540
01:12:08,492 --> 01:12:11,652
Speaker 15: good points, and we've all got our little eddiosyncracis where

1541
01:12:11,652 --> 01:12:15,892
Speaker 15: it's not one hundred great. But yeah, I was blessed

1542
01:12:15,893 --> 01:12:18,692
Speaker 15: to have both you, two of each, and got all

1543
01:12:18,732 --> 01:12:22,053
Speaker 15: the joys out of both. And yeah, I don't Yeah,

1544
01:12:22,053 --> 01:12:23,572
Speaker 15: I mean you're only looking at the ones that are

1545
01:12:23,572 --> 01:12:25,772
Speaker 15: in charge now. I mean, yeah, get rid of them.

1546
01:12:25,812 --> 01:12:29,692
Speaker 15: But there's a lot going for me, and I can

1547
01:12:29,732 --> 01:12:33,013
Speaker 15: tell you they are entertaining lighthearted and.

1548
01:12:33,452 --> 01:12:36,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you, Yeah, good on you. Karen, thank

1549
01:12:36,572 --> 01:12:38,532
Speaker 3: you for your cool. Hey, I've just seen the most

1550
01:12:38,572 --> 01:12:42,253
Speaker 3: horrifically sexist text from a Tory right. I basically spat

1551
01:12:42,293 --> 01:12:44,892
Speaker 3: my coffee out all over the my Costing Memorial studio

1552
01:12:45,253 --> 01:12:46,132
Speaker 3: when I saw this text.

1553
01:12:46,173 --> 01:12:47,852
Speaker 4: Now, just quickly, when you say Tory, you don't mean

1554
01:12:47,853 --> 01:12:51,012
Speaker 4: a conservative voter, you mean they might be called Tory, they.

1555
01:12:50,973 --> 01:12:51,652
Speaker 3: Are called Tory.

1556
01:12:51,772 --> 01:12:53,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean do we have time for it?

1557
01:12:53,093 --> 01:12:53,253
Speaker 1: Now?

1558
01:12:53,253 --> 01:12:56,452
Speaker 3: Should we come back with this this film, Oh, this

1559
01:12:57,253 --> 01:12:58,972
Speaker 3: person is a horrible sexist.

1560
01:12:59,053 --> 01:13:00,893
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll come back to it. I think, yeah, I

1561
01:13:01,053 --> 01:13:04,812
Speaker 4: just need time to take a few breaths. Oh, all right,

1562
01:13:05,133 --> 01:13:06,772
Speaker 4: oh eleven to three.

1563
01:13:08,372 --> 01:13:10,732
Speaker 2: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1564
01:13:10,772 --> 01:13:14,333
Speaker 2: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used

1565
01:13:14,333 --> 01:13:15,052
Speaker 2: talk said.

1566
01:13:14,933 --> 01:13:19,933
Speaker 4: Be good after No Nine to three, n inch before.

1567
01:13:19,652 --> 01:13:23,452
Speaker 3: I composed myself after this horrible massandry, which is the

1568
01:13:23,452 --> 01:13:25,732
Speaker 3: opposite of misogyny that has come through on this text

1569
01:13:25,732 --> 01:13:30,732
Speaker 3: machine from this a Tory, Oh, a toy being her name,

1570
01:13:30,812 --> 01:13:35,173
Speaker 3: not anative, not a British consertive. There needs to be

1571
01:13:35,213 --> 01:13:37,612
Speaker 3: a girl on this radio show. I've been wanting to

1572
01:13:37,652 --> 01:13:39,772
Speaker 3: say this for months, and listening to this, I think

1573
01:13:39,853 --> 01:13:45,132
Speaker 3: it even more. Oh ouch, so she thinks that because

1574
01:13:45,492 --> 01:13:48,213
Speaker 3: oh that's sexism that I I didn't In the year

1575
01:13:48,293 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, we have people that think that they

1576
01:13:50,652 --> 01:13:53,412
Speaker 3: shouldn't be on a show because of their sex.

1577
01:13:53,652 --> 01:13:56,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tory, you were hurt by that, aren't you.

1578
01:13:56,532 --> 01:13:59,532
Speaker 3: I'm not hurt. I'm just shocked. I'm just disappointed. I'm

1579
01:13:59,532 --> 01:14:02,692
Speaker 3: not hurt. I'm just disappointed in Tory for holding such

1580
01:14:03,732 --> 01:14:07,852
Speaker 3: such old fashioned values and judging people by their sex.

1581
01:14:08,652 --> 01:14:09,652
Speaker 3: This is losting, toy.

1582
01:14:09,812 --> 01:14:12,372
Speaker 4: Let's not forget about Rowena. She's part of the show,

1583
01:14:12,652 --> 01:14:14,253
Speaker 4: Raylene Ramsey.

1584
01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:19,492
Speaker 3: Let's get rid of them all male show. Just just

1585
01:14:19,572 --> 01:14:22,732
Speaker 3: teach toy a listen fat. In fact, I'm going to

1586
01:14:22,812 --> 01:14:25,253
Speaker 3: in my next employment contract, no woman on the show.

1587
01:14:25,372 --> 01:14:30,653
Speaker 4: Yep, yep. Nicely done, Shane, How are you mate?

1588
01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:31,812
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1589
01:14:31,812 --> 01:14:32,012
Speaker 14: Good.

1590
01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:33,852
Speaker 25: I can't remember which one I didn't get up before.

1591
01:14:34,253 --> 01:14:38,012
Speaker 25: But I just want to point absolutely one hundred feet wrong.

1592
01:14:38,093 --> 01:14:41,812
Speaker 25: You are finding out the first throw the sticks of

1593
01:14:41,853 --> 01:14:42,972
Speaker 25: a baby before it's born.

1594
01:14:43,133 --> 01:14:43,652
Speaker 4: There was Heath.

1595
01:14:44,253 --> 01:14:48,772
Speaker 25: I was saying that, Yeah, yeah, absolutely wrong, absolutely wrong.

1596
01:14:48,853 --> 01:14:51,532
Speaker 25: We have too few surprises in life these days, and

1597
01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:55,092
Speaker 25: everyone wants to plan every moment of every of every

1598
01:14:55,173 --> 01:14:58,213
Speaker 25: minute of every day, and I just can't think of

1599
01:14:58,492 --> 01:15:02,412
Speaker 25: anything more endurable than you know, when maybe comes out

1600
01:15:02,452 --> 01:15:05,412
Speaker 25: and you're you're sort of wondering what it is. Even

1601
01:15:05,492 --> 01:15:08,932
Speaker 25: now you hear enough of balance back to the birth

1602
01:15:08,973 --> 01:15:10,052
Speaker 25: and to control the children.

1603
01:15:10,133 --> 01:15:13,412
Speaker 3: So did you did you so at the ultra scan?

1604
01:15:13,532 --> 01:15:15,372
Speaker 3: Did you just say just don't tell us, just don't?

1605
01:15:16,853 --> 01:15:19,692
Speaker 25: And then my wife's in the medical the street, so

1606
01:15:19,812 --> 01:15:22,253
Speaker 25: she was she came really look at the officers stand.

1607
01:15:22,532 --> 01:15:24,293
Speaker 25: I was just can because she probably would have been

1608
01:15:24,293 --> 01:15:25,092
Speaker 25: able to figure out.

1609
01:15:24,933 --> 01:15:25,293
Speaker 16: What it was.

1610
01:15:25,372 --> 01:15:30,213
Speaker 25: So yeah, we we we deliberately went one understand out

1611
01:15:30,213 --> 01:15:32,173
Speaker 25: of our way and not to find out. And I say,

1612
01:15:32,253 --> 01:15:34,213
Speaker 25: I work with a bunch of younger people than me.

1613
01:15:34,893 --> 01:15:36,252
Speaker 25: Uh and and.

1614
01:15:37,933 --> 01:15:38,173
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1615
01:15:39,933 --> 01:15:42,412
Speaker 4: Oh you're just shutting out there. Oh no, we got

1616
01:15:42,452 --> 01:15:44,133
Speaker 4: your back. Sorry, you just cut out there, Shane. Carry on.

1617
01:15:45,412 --> 01:15:47,452
Speaker 25: So the one piece of vice you know, which talks

1618
01:15:47,492 --> 01:15:49,452
Speaker 25: about babies and having kids on that, and then there

1619
01:15:49,412 --> 01:15:51,732
Speaker 25: was one piece of ice I always give everyone and

1620
01:15:52,333 --> 01:15:57,492
Speaker 25: absolutely do not find out, okay, than the baby because

1621
01:15:57,692 --> 01:15:59,612
Speaker 25: it's just just too much fun on the day.

1622
01:15:59,772 --> 01:16:02,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, look like you know what, I can't change that now,

1623
01:16:02,893 --> 01:16:05,372
Speaker 3: but I do see the value in that. Yeah, I

1624
01:16:05,452 --> 01:16:06,933
Speaker 3: just think I was impatient. I really wanted to know.

1625
01:16:06,933 --> 01:16:11,092
Speaker 3: I'm so excited about having kids, like both our kids.

1626
01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:13,812
Speaker 3: It was just so joyous that it was happening. Yeah,

1627
01:16:13,812 --> 01:16:15,412
Speaker 3: that I just got every part of it. I wanted

1628
01:16:15,933 --> 01:16:17,173
Speaker 3: to happen quicker.

1629
01:16:16,933 --> 01:16:19,093
Speaker 4: And I love that. But next time, if it's like

1630
01:16:19,133 --> 01:16:22,213
Speaker 4: a kind of surprise, then you know, that's pretty fun.

1631
01:16:22,253 --> 01:16:23,452
Speaker 4: Everyone loves a kind of surprise.

1632
01:16:23,572 --> 01:16:23,933
Speaker 14: I do know.

1633
01:16:24,532 --> 01:16:25,412
Speaker 4: And see what you've got.

1634
01:16:25,492 --> 01:16:28,572
Speaker 3: I think what Shane's saying there is yeah, which Shane

1635
01:16:28,652 --> 01:16:31,732
Speaker 3: was around eighteen years ago. I would have agreed with them.

1636
01:16:31,772 --> 01:16:33,732
Speaker 4: Then we are going to carry the sign up to

1637
01:16:33,772 --> 01:16:35,293
Speaker 4: the news, so love to hear from you. On eight

1638
01:16:35,372 --> 01:16:37,933
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty Did you have a preference

1639
01:16:37,933 --> 01:16:41,532
Speaker 4: for the gender of your children? And plenty of techs

1640
01:16:41,532 --> 01:16:43,532
Speaker 4: coming through on nine two ninety two, And do.

1641
01:16:43,492 --> 01:16:46,932
Speaker 3: You agree with what the economist has written this article

1642
01:16:47,013 --> 01:16:49,852
Speaker 3: saying that the world would be a better place if

1643
01:16:50,013 --> 01:16:53,973
Speaker 3: the gender ratio tended more towards females, That if there

1644
01:16:54,013 --> 01:16:55,973
Speaker 3: was more females than males in the world, that the

1645
01:16:56,013 --> 01:17:00,532
Speaker 3: world would be a much better place. Controversial claim, very controversial.

1646
01:17:00,893 --> 01:17:03,852
Speaker 4: Few ticks here, guys gave up on having a boy

1647
01:17:04,013 --> 01:17:08,612
Speaker 4: after five daughters. Fortunately, women are now equal and have

1648
01:17:08,853 --> 01:17:11,093
Speaker 4: been given highly paid jobs, so the father doesn't have

1649
01:17:11,133 --> 01:17:13,612
Speaker 4: to pay for their weddings. Mind you, marriage and family

1650
01:17:13,772 --> 01:17:18,253
Speaker 4: is really only an optional extra in the culture and

1651
01:17:18,372 --> 01:17:19,492
Speaker 4: is getting rarer and rarer.

1652
01:17:19,893 --> 01:17:22,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, look at this, all these people saying the

1653
01:17:22,412 --> 01:17:27,213
Speaker 3: surprise is brilliant, The surprise is brilliant. And look, I

1654
01:17:27,253 --> 01:17:28,692
Speaker 3: think you might be right, and I think I made

1655
01:17:28,692 --> 01:17:30,892
Speaker 3: a terrible mistake finding out.

1656
01:17:31,053 --> 01:17:35,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you never say never, mate. This one says, guys,

1657
01:17:36,732 --> 01:17:39,333
Speaker 4: my mother had five kids, four boys and a girl.

1658
01:17:39,412 --> 01:17:39,492
Speaker 24: Me.

1659
01:17:39,853 --> 01:17:43,932
Speaker 4: She made no secret. She didn't want me as a boy,

1660
01:17:44,053 --> 01:17:46,213
Speaker 4: called me horrible names. I'm sorry to hear that when

1661
01:17:46,213 --> 01:17:50,412
Speaker 4: I gave birth to a boy, she ended up being

1662
01:17:51,893 --> 01:17:55,853
Speaker 4: a better grandparent, but only just I had no preference.

1663
01:17:55,893 --> 01:17:58,812
Speaker 4: I'm now fifty six. Keep those tips coming through on

1664
01:17:58,973 --> 01:18:01,093
Speaker 4: nine two ninety two, and we want to hear from

1665
01:18:01,133 --> 01:18:03,293
Speaker 4: you on eight undred and eighty ten eighty. Did you

1666
01:18:03,372 --> 01:18:06,412
Speaker 4: have a preference for your children when you had them?

1667
01:18:06,933 --> 01:18:09,852
Speaker 4: Preference of the gender? I should say, and the follow

1668
01:18:09,893 --> 01:18:12,932
Speaker 4: up question matters, do you think more women will make

1669
01:18:12,973 --> 01:18:16,053
Speaker 4: the world a more peaceful place, a better place? Controversial?

1670
01:18:16,213 --> 01:18:18,772
Speaker 3: As the economist claims, yeah, and do you prefer when

1671
01:18:18,812 --> 01:18:24,172
Speaker 3: Tyler describes the pararl of woman as woman or swimming

1672
01:18:24,213 --> 01:18:26,092
Speaker 3: woman women women.

1673
01:18:26,412 --> 01:18:29,372
Speaker 4: The teacher are still coming through on that one. Women

1674
01:18:29,812 --> 01:18:33,932
Speaker 4: women like swimmen swimman women women swim and woman new

1675
01:18:34,013 --> 01:18:36,652
Speaker 4: sport and wear. They're coming up very shortly. Great to

1676
01:18:36,692 --> 01:18:39,452
Speaker 4: have your company as always. You're listening to matt and Tyler.

1677
01:18:39,853 --> 01:18:44,693
Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you.

1678
01:18:44,692 --> 01:18:49,092
Speaker 2: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1679
01:18:49,253 --> 01:18:59,213
Speaker 2: and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk. Sebby, all right,

1680
01:18:59,293 --> 01:19:00,293
Speaker 2: your resid alien cord?

1681
01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:01,932
Speaker 1: Has you restricted to the island of Manhattan?

1682
01:19:01,933 --> 01:19:02,412
Speaker 20: Where you going?

1683
01:19:02,452 --> 01:19:04,372
Speaker 1: Reggie, Well, it's my wife.

1684
01:19:04,492 --> 01:19:10,173
Speaker 3: She's well look, oh all right, okay, no big deal.

1685
01:19:11,333 --> 01:19:19,573
Speaker 1: You can't be and you had a lesson? What medeasy?

1686
01:19:19,612 --> 01:19:21,852
Speaker 4: You just catch you Sure he knows what he's doing, does.

1687
01:19:21,692 --> 01:19:22,173
Speaker 1: It all the time?

1688
01:19:22,213 --> 01:19:37,732
Speaker 26: Let the man work, okay, damn man, Kate, oh man?

1689
01:19:38,772 --> 01:19:47,013
Speaker 2: Oh okay, look, congratulations Regis.

1690
01:19:48,452 --> 01:19:48,852
Speaker 1: Squid.

1691
01:19:50,173 --> 01:19:51,772
Speaker 4: Great scene from Men and Black.

1692
01:19:52,412 --> 01:19:52,612
Speaker 20: Uh.

1693
01:19:52,652 --> 01:19:54,612
Speaker 4: And that's loosely what we're talking about is did you

1694
01:19:54,652 --> 01:19:57,012
Speaker 4: have a preference Maybe you didn't quite want to squid,

1695
01:19:57,253 --> 01:20:00,053
Speaker 4: but did you have a preference of the gender of

1696
01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:02,372
Speaker 4: your children, so I back of an Economist article.

1697
01:20:02,452 --> 01:20:04,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as I said before, I did when I

1698
01:20:05,013 --> 01:20:07,852
Speaker 3: wanted a boy when we first found out we're pregnant,

1699
01:20:07,893 --> 01:20:10,253
Speaker 3: and now I realized I should have waited, but we

1700
01:20:10,812 --> 01:20:13,093
Speaker 3: found out the ultrasound. But I think the reason why

1701
01:20:13,173 --> 01:20:15,053
Speaker 3: I wanted a boy was I just thought that I

1702
01:20:15,173 --> 01:20:16,772
Speaker 3: might be able to offer more to a boy. And

1703
01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:18,612
Speaker 3: I was a little bit scared to bring a girl

1704
01:20:18,652 --> 01:20:22,093
Speaker 3: into the world because I felt like I was just

1705
01:20:22,133 --> 01:20:26,612
Speaker 3: worried about it a little bit. But I think I'm

1706
01:20:26,612 --> 01:20:29,012
Speaker 3: probably was probably wrong. But you know, my two boys

1707
01:20:29,013 --> 01:20:31,932
Speaker 3: are fantastic, but you're living. But when you're first having

1708
01:20:31,933 --> 01:20:34,213
Speaker 3: your first kids, you're so scared about so many different things.

1709
01:20:34,572 --> 01:20:36,532
Speaker 3: Then you think, well, I've been a boy, so maybe

1710
01:20:36,572 --> 01:20:38,612
Speaker 3: I can offer more to a boy than I can

1711
01:20:38,652 --> 01:20:39,053
Speaker 3: to a girl.

1712
01:20:39,173 --> 01:20:40,892
Speaker 4: Makes a lot of sense, and without going into it,

1713
01:20:40,893 --> 01:20:42,412
Speaker 4: but a lot of people know that me and my

1714
01:20:42,452 --> 01:20:46,772
Speaker 4: partner may ever trying, and genuinely I would prefer a girl.

1715
01:20:46,812 --> 01:20:49,253
Speaker 4: And the reason I say that is because I've got

1716
01:20:49,253 --> 01:20:52,173
Speaker 4: three brothers, love them to death, great, but I have

1717
01:20:52,372 --> 01:20:54,572
Speaker 4: never really grown up, so I don't have any sisters.

1718
01:20:55,372 --> 01:20:59,052
Speaker 4: And for that fact alone, I think I would prefer

1719
01:20:59,133 --> 01:20:59,732
Speaker 4: to have a girl.

1720
01:20:59,732 --> 01:21:01,492
Speaker 3: Coming to that, It's really interesting because I've got three

1721
01:21:01,532 --> 01:21:05,772
Speaker 3: sisters and I wanted a boy. Partially I blame my

1722
01:21:05,812 --> 01:21:10,253
Speaker 3: sister's wonderful people absolutely and Louis Catherine image love them. Yeah,

1723
01:21:10,293 --> 01:21:12,612
Speaker 3: my mum was a very female house on the farm.

1724
01:21:13,013 --> 01:21:17,093
Speaker 3: But they didn't never wanted to play cricket with me,

1725
01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:19,692
Speaker 3: and they've always resented that they never wanted to play

1726
01:21:19,692 --> 01:21:23,892
Speaker 3: cricket with me. And to be fair, yeah.

1727
01:21:23,293 --> 01:21:26,013
Speaker 4: It's those child childhood traumas. They stay with you when

1728
01:21:26,013 --> 01:21:27,973
Speaker 4: it comes to, you know, have your own children. My

1729
01:21:28,013 --> 01:21:31,652
Speaker 4: big sister Catherine, fantastic human being, terrible, terrible bowler, not

1730
01:21:31,772 --> 01:21:32,372
Speaker 4: much of a bowler.

1731
01:21:32,612 --> 01:21:35,052
Speaker 3: These horror it wasn't good on the spin, these horrific

1732
01:21:35,093 --> 01:21:39,933
Speaker 3: Dibley Dobbleish eighty ten eighty is the numberical love. But

1733
01:21:40,372 --> 01:21:43,053
Speaker 3: the supplementary question here is this all stems from an

1734
01:21:43,093 --> 01:21:46,293
Speaker 3: article in The Economists that was saying that the ratio

1735
01:21:46,333 --> 01:21:48,772
Speaker 3: and births in the world is tending towards female now

1736
01:21:49,053 --> 01:21:51,892
Speaker 3: for a while due to horrific policies like the one

1737
01:21:51,973 --> 01:21:56,732
Speaker 3: child policy, where people were making what just horrible decision

1738
01:21:56,812 --> 01:22:01,732
Speaker 3: to abort female embryos. Yes, so that is that is

1739
01:22:01,772 --> 01:22:07,372
Speaker 3: shifted now. But the economists went to say a mostly

1740
01:22:07,412 --> 01:22:10,253
Speaker 3: female world would be more peaceful and better run. But

1741
01:22:10,293 --> 01:22:12,612
Speaker 3: if women were ever to make up a large majority,

1742
01:22:12,652 --> 01:22:15,253
Speaker 3: some men might exploit their stronger bargaining position in the

1743
01:22:15,293 --> 01:22:18,812
Speaker 3: mating market by becoming more promiscuous or reluctant to commit

1744
01:22:18,853 --> 01:22:22,452
Speaker 3: themselves to relationship, which is pretty it's pretty rough from

1745
01:22:22,452 --> 01:22:25,253
Speaker 3: the economists with no evidence to back it up, just

1746
01:22:25,293 --> 01:22:28,572
Speaker 3: to say that it would be better if they're a woman,

1747
01:22:28,652 --> 01:22:31,693
Speaker 3: but men would probably misbehaves. That's the take from the economists.

1748
01:22:31,853 --> 01:22:34,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no footnotes, there's no backup.

1749
01:22:33,812 --> 01:22:36,293
Speaker 3: Evidence, But I would say I've lived in a mainly

1750
01:22:36,333 --> 01:22:39,052
Speaker 3: female run world with my three sisters and my mum yep,

1751
01:22:39,133 --> 01:22:42,133
Speaker 3: and they were great people. That it was great.

1752
01:22:42,253 --> 01:22:43,052
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great.

1753
01:22:43,173 --> 01:22:46,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know if that would size up

1754
01:22:46,173 --> 01:22:46,852
Speaker 3: to the whole world.

1755
01:22:47,173 --> 01:22:48,933
Speaker 4: And as you said before, you know, in China with

1756
01:22:48,973 --> 01:22:52,412
Speaker 4: the one child policy when they had too many males,

1757
01:22:52,412 --> 01:22:54,372
Speaker 4: it didn't go so well for them, And you could

1758
01:22:54,732 --> 01:22:57,532
Speaker 4: argue that if the balance shifts the other way, then

1759
01:22:57,572 --> 01:23:01,213
Speaker 4: the unforeseen circumstances, as you said last hour, highly likely.

1760
01:23:01,333 --> 01:23:04,692
Speaker 3: What's all this boys versus girls stuff as well, like

1761
01:23:04,692 --> 01:23:06,372
Speaker 3: why does the economists have to make it a boys

1762
01:23:06,412 --> 01:23:08,572
Speaker 3: versus girls. I mean, we're evolved to for it to

1763
01:23:08,612 --> 01:23:10,532
Speaker 3: be about fifty to fifty. What's wrong with that? Yeah,

1764
01:23:10,612 --> 01:23:12,572
Speaker 3: you know, it was a horrible thing when they were

1765
01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:14,333
Speaker 3: making it go the other way. So why is the

1766
01:23:14,372 --> 01:23:17,532
Speaker 3: economist celebrating the idea that it's out of balance to

1767
01:23:18,133 --> 01:23:18,892
Speaker 3: the female side.

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01:23:19,013 --> 01:23:21,812
Speaker 4: It is a very crafty line. You might speculate that

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01:23:22,013 --> 01:23:24,652
Speaker 4: are mostly female world become a more peaceful and better run.

1770
01:23:24,893 --> 01:23:28,892
Speaker 4: No author you speculate, Barbara, welcome to the show. You've

1771
01:23:28,893 --> 01:23:30,052
Speaker 4: got both boys and girls.

1772
01:23:31,253 --> 01:23:32,932
Speaker 27: Yes, thank you for taking my call.

1773
01:23:33,372 --> 01:23:34,253
Speaker 3: Thank you for ring it.

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01:23:34,333 --> 01:23:37,972
Speaker 27: To start off, I'd rather have males than females, okay,

1775
01:23:38,293 --> 01:23:42,053
Speaker 27: because they are easier. And I had four brothers and

1776
01:23:42,093 --> 01:23:45,652
Speaker 27: two sisters. But I spent most of my adult life

1777
01:23:45,652 --> 01:23:47,812
Speaker 27: in the Army, and I've spent most of my life

1778
01:23:47,853 --> 01:23:53,293
Speaker 27: with males. And my daughter was a great kid right

1779
01:23:53,293 --> 01:23:59,172
Speaker 27: through until after high school. But yeah, I think males

1780
01:23:59,372 --> 01:24:01,532
Speaker 27: are really a lot easier to deal with.

1781
01:24:01,933 --> 01:24:05,452
Speaker 3: But Barbara, there'll be a lot of people listening right

1782
01:24:05,452 --> 01:24:08,053
Speaker 3: now with teenage sons that they're pulling their hair out,

1783
01:24:08,093 --> 01:24:10,972
Speaker 3: going God, how do I deal with this situation? As well.

1784
01:24:11,053 --> 01:24:13,492
Speaker 3: Do you think it might just be more to do

1785
01:24:13,732 --> 01:24:17,412
Speaker 3: with the the individual than the sex.

1786
01:24:18,692 --> 01:24:23,012
Speaker 27: Oh, possibly yes, But I think you know the way

1787
01:24:23,053 --> 01:24:25,333
Speaker 27: you deal with them is different. You deal with boys

1788
01:24:25,372 --> 01:24:29,852
Speaker 27: differently than you do with females. And I think you

1789
01:24:29,893 --> 01:24:32,253
Speaker 27: know everybody's pleased with kids, whatever they are.

1790
01:24:32,492 --> 01:24:33,772
Speaker 3: Absolutely you know.

1791
01:24:33,812 --> 01:24:35,372
Speaker 27: I was pleased my husband was going to go to

1792
01:24:35,412 --> 01:24:36,933
Speaker 27: Africa if I had two girls.

1793
01:24:39,452 --> 01:24:40,052
Speaker 4: It's extreme.

1794
01:24:40,452 --> 01:24:42,492
Speaker 27: I'm glad I had a boy of men.

1795
01:24:43,772 --> 01:24:45,772
Speaker 3: Good on your Barbera, thanks for calling. The Sexta says

1796
01:24:45,812 --> 01:24:48,253
Speaker 3: I had four boys, the last one I secretly hope

1797
01:24:48,412 --> 01:24:51,013
Speaker 3: for a girl. I had wanted a boy first, as

1798
01:24:51,053 --> 01:24:52,932
Speaker 3: I grew up in a family of four girls. My mother,

1799
01:24:53,053 --> 01:24:56,492
Speaker 3: in moments of exasperation, would say I didn't want girls,

1800
01:24:56,532 --> 01:24:58,612
Speaker 3: I wanted boys. I was a tomboy to try and

1801
01:24:58,652 --> 01:25:00,852
Speaker 3: win some favor was not good. And I think my

1802
01:25:00,893 --> 01:25:03,412
Speaker 3: desire to have boys was a subconscious wish to finally

1803
01:25:03,412 --> 01:25:04,053
Speaker 3: please my mum.

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01:25:04,093 --> 01:25:07,053
Speaker 4: It's interesting. Good text thirteen past three, but love to

1805
01:25:07,133 --> 01:25:10,213
Speaker 4: hear your thoughts. On eight hundred eighty ten eighty bag

1806
01:25:10,333 --> 01:25:15,253
Speaker 4: very shortly here on NEWSTALKSB Good afternoon. We've asked the question,

1807
01:25:15,333 --> 01:25:17,412
Speaker 4: did you have a preference about the gender of your

1808
01:25:17,532 --> 01:25:19,972
Speaker 4: children on the back of an Economist article that says

1809
01:25:20,053 --> 01:25:22,372
Speaker 4: there is a decline in the preference they're having boys.

1810
01:25:22,452 --> 01:25:23,532
Speaker 4: So I love to hear from you on O eight

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01:25:23,652 --> 01:25:26,213
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're on a text three,

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01:25:26,213 --> 01:25:28,093
Speaker 4: you're more than welcome. Nine two ninety two is the

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01:25:28,133 --> 01:25:28,732
Speaker 4: text number.

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01:25:29,853 --> 01:25:33,293
Speaker 3: It's interesting in the States now when seeking to adopt

1815
01:25:33,452 --> 01:25:36,692
Speaker 3: couples in the United States pay extra for girls. Now, wow, wow,

1816
01:25:38,093 --> 01:25:42,293
Speaker 3: interesting Robin, you've got three boys and two girls.

1817
01:25:43,572 --> 01:25:48,452
Speaker 6: Hi. Hi guys, Well I've got three three, three boys

1818
01:25:48,532 --> 01:25:52,052
Speaker 6: and the girl. Now I lost my first baby girl.

1819
01:25:52,213 --> 01:25:52,372
Speaker 7: Oh.

1820
01:25:52,372 --> 01:25:53,093
Speaker 4: I sorry to hear that.

1821
01:25:54,213 --> 01:25:57,692
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a bit of a bummer. But in

1822
01:25:58,093 --> 01:26:02,532
Speaker 6: the reality of it, I chose not to know what

1823
01:26:02,692 --> 01:26:05,933
Speaker 6: my babies, whether they are going to be boy or

1824
01:26:05,973 --> 01:26:12,293
Speaker 6: girl because of that. And you go through laby, you know,

1825
01:26:12,612 --> 01:26:14,333
Speaker 6: you've got to have something at the end of the

1826
01:26:14,412 --> 01:26:15,733
Speaker 6: day for the big surprise.

1827
01:26:17,412 --> 01:26:20,732
Speaker 3: So I like, yeah, that's an interesting thing that someone

1828
01:26:20,772 --> 01:26:23,452
Speaker 3: texted through And I hadn't actually thought of that, that

1829
01:26:23,452 --> 01:26:27,412
Speaker 3: that extra thing for the person that's actually giving birth,

1830
01:26:27,732 --> 01:26:31,133
Speaker 3: as you know, as an extra thing to look forward

1831
01:26:31,173 --> 01:26:33,133
Speaker 3: to in an extra Yeah, as exactly as you say,

1832
01:26:33,692 --> 01:26:35,572
Speaker 3: I selfishly hadn't looked at it like that. I just

1833
01:26:35,612 --> 01:26:36,812
Speaker 3: wanted to know myself, you know.

1834
01:26:37,812 --> 01:26:41,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, it is actually a really good thing

1835
01:26:41,133 --> 01:26:45,492
Speaker 6: to do because when I had so, I had my

1836
01:26:45,652 --> 01:26:49,452
Speaker 6: first daughter, then I had two sons, then I had

1837
01:26:49,853 --> 01:26:54,053
Speaker 6: the daughter, then I had another son. So when the

1838
01:26:54,173 --> 01:27:00,973
Speaker 6: daughter was born, it was like, oh, you're joking, you know, thinking, oh,

1839
01:27:01,013 --> 01:27:03,932
Speaker 6: it's going to be a boy more likely, but it

1840
01:27:03,973 --> 01:27:08,372
Speaker 6: was a girl. So yeah, a big, big surprise, beautiful.

1841
01:27:07,893 --> 01:27:10,132
Speaker 4: Surprise, beautiful surprise. Yeah.

1842
01:27:10,213 --> 01:27:14,173
Speaker 6: Yeah. But I must say though, when you do have

1843
01:27:14,253 --> 01:27:18,053
Speaker 6: the boys, they they do the boys stuff. I love

1844
01:27:18,133 --> 01:27:21,772
Speaker 6: the boys stuff, and my girl she also loves the

1845
01:27:21,812 --> 01:27:25,253
Speaker 6: boys stuff, so she was probably a lot more braver

1846
01:27:25,412 --> 01:27:28,412
Speaker 6: than what the boys were and faster to learn things

1847
01:27:28,452 --> 01:27:36,412
Speaker 6: to like driving. But yeah, so most of the time

1848
01:27:36,532 --> 01:27:39,532
Speaker 6: with my kids, I had to wear two boots. I

1849
01:27:39,732 --> 01:27:43,612
Speaker 6: was mum and dad most of the time because their

1850
01:27:43,652 --> 01:27:47,612
Speaker 6: father worked three chefs, so it was you know, he's home,

1851
01:27:47,692 --> 01:27:51,213
Speaker 6: sleeping through the day or away nights, all of that,

1852
01:27:51,933 --> 01:27:56,013
Speaker 6: all of that sort of stuff. So I think that

1853
01:27:56,133 --> 01:28:02,692
Speaker 6: they're they're pretty cool if you can keep away the crap,

1854
01:28:03,013 --> 01:28:08,772
Speaker 6: the the bitchiness parts of of bringing kids. It's up,

1855
01:28:09,732 --> 01:28:18,612
Speaker 6: keep it, keep it simple, and you know, but I'd

1856
01:28:18,652 --> 01:28:22,612
Speaker 6: imagine today might be quite a little bit harder with

1857
01:28:22,973 --> 01:28:32,812
Speaker 6: having girls than boys, just because of how girls think now,

1858
01:28:32,893 --> 01:28:36,772
Speaker 6: and you've got all the technology as well, you know.

1859
01:28:37,372 --> 01:28:38,093
Speaker 4: I think it does.

1860
01:28:38,133 --> 01:28:42,572
Speaker 3: It does appear that females suffer more from from social media.

1861
01:28:44,612 --> 01:28:48,652
Speaker 3: Social media, I know, based or cause depression. If you

1862
01:28:48,692 --> 01:28:52,132
Speaker 3: read the co of America or the books on anxiety,

1863
01:28:52,173 --> 01:28:54,852
Speaker 3: I think social media can be really, really tough on females.

1864
01:28:55,612 --> 01:28:58,732
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but it is good to have. Like one

1865
01:28:58,732 --> 01:29:01,612
Speaker 6: of your callers, a lady caller, she said, it's great

1866
01:29:01,652 --> 01:29:06,932
Speaker 6: to have men in the workforce. And I believe that too.

1867
01:29:07,652 --> 01:29:10,852
Speaker 6: Like I was brought up with mostly men around me,

1868
01:29:10,973 --> 01:29:15,532
Speaker 6: and I'd we were on a big property, big station

1869
01:29:15,692 --> 01:29:18,892
Speaker 6: in Australia, and I'd be out the door with the men.

1870
01:29:20,652 --> 01:29:23,133
Speaker 6: As soon as they were putting their boots on. I

1871
01:29:23,173 --> 01:29:26,133
Speaker 6: was in the back of thet with the dogs and

1872
01:29:26,612 --> 01:29:29,452
Speaker 6: going out in the bush and so I didn't have

1873
01:29:29,572 --> 01:29:34,732
Speaker 6: to mop flaws or dust.

1874
01:29:36,013 --> 01:29:38,732
Speaker 3: Now, Robin, you've you've been in you know, you've three

1875
01:29:39,173 --> 01:29:41,692
Speaker 3: boys and the girl. What do you what do you

1876
01:29:41,732 --> 01:29:44,612
Speaker 3: think about this idea that a mostly female world would

1877
01:29:44,612 --> 01:29:47,772
Speaker 3: be more peaceful and better run that the economist is claiming.

1878
01:29:51,013 --> 01:29:54,652
Speaker 6: Once upon a time, I would have thought it was

1879
01:29:55,893 --> 01:29:58,452
Speaker 6: it would have been a good mix, but not the

1880
01:29:58,492 --> 01:30:01,772
Speaker 6: way that women treat each other and talk about each other.

1881
01:30:01,893 --> 01:30:05,972
Speaker 6: And you know that bitch in this part if because

1882
01:30:06,013 --> 01:30:10,293
Speaker 6: you need you need the boys to sort of to

1883
01:30:10,372 --> 01:30:14,492
Speaker 6: be there to take the crap out of things and

1884
01:30:14,732 --> 01:30:18,692
Speaker 6: just keep it. It's a little bit like just keep

1885
01:30:18,732 --> 01:30:25,172
Speaker 6: it simple, stupid, or it's black and white with boys.

1886
01:30:25,652 --> 01:30:27,612
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Robin. There's

1887
01:30:27,612 --> 01:30:29,053
Speaker 4: a lot of truth to that. I mean, you know

1888
01:30:29,173 --> 01:30:32,572
Speaker 4: there you we're pretty black and white. We're pretty simple creatures.

1889
01:30:32,652 --> 01:30:35,932
Speaker 4: Robin can say that, but you can't when it comes

1890
01:30:35,973 --> 01:30:38,492
Speaker 4: to you know, and as you said, when when you

1891
01:30:38,652 --> 01:30:42,692
Speaker 4: raise girls nowadays with the social media but also the

1892
01:30:43,053 --> 01:30:45,892
Speaker 4: bullying in high school, it goes outside of the school, right,

1893
01:30:45,933 --> 01:30:49,973
Speaker 4: Whereas guys in high school just got that brain that

1894
01:30:50,013 --> 01:30:52,013
Speaker 4: he got a problem with another feller, have a bit

1895
01:30:52,013 --> 01:30:54,173
Speaker 4: of a dust up and then hopefully it's all sort

1896
01:30:54,173 --> 01:30:55,812
Speaker 4: of either it's not sort of cool, you just don't

1897
01:30:55,812 --> 01:30:57,932
Speaker 4: talk to each other. But with young girls a lot

1898
01:30:57,973 --> 01:31:00,732
Speaker 4: harder because they take that bullying into the digital world

1899
01:31:01,053 --> 01:31:02,813
Speaker 4: and gets quite Macavelian.

1900
01:31:03,372 --> 01:31:07,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know the exact stats on it, but yeah,

1901
01:31:07,893 --> 01:31:10,293
Speaker 3: definitely honest and Height seems to think that it's that

1902
01:31:10,692 --> 01:31:14,132
Speaker 3: the stats suggest that young girls are suffering from depression

1903
01:31:14,412 --> 01:31:17,253
Speaker 3: and you can track it exactly from when you know

1904
01:31:17,333 --> 01:31:20,452
Speaker 3: smartphones became very very common for young people, that the

1905
01:31:20,532 --> 01:31:25,652
Speaker 3: levels of depression for young females is plummeted. Yeah, more

1906
01:31:25,692 --> 01:31:28,732
Speaker 3: so than boys, so it is. Yeah, that's interesting.

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01:31:28,732 --> 01:31:30,692
Speaker 4: One I e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1908
01:31:30,772 --> 01:31:33,492
Speaker 4: number to call. Couple of calls to get to it

1909
01:31:33,532 --> 01:31:36,333
Speaker 4: is twenty two, pass three back in a moment.

1910
01:31:40,812 --> 01:31:44,133
Speaker 2: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred

1911
01:31:44,133 --> 01:31:46,413
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

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01:31:46,732 --> 01:31:49,572
Speaker 4: News Talk zed B. Did you have a preference of

1913
01:31:49,692 --> 01:31:52,173
Speaker 4: the gender for your children? I eight hundred eighty ten

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01:31:52,213 --> 01:31:56,053
Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call. Nine nine two is

1915
01:31:56,093 --> 01:31:57,372
Speaker 4: the text number if you want to send a text

1916
01:31:57,372 --> 01:31:58,173
Speaker 4: as well. Get a mark.

1917
01:31:59,253 --> 01:32:01,492
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, gentlemen, How are you very good?

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01:32:01,612 --> 01:32:03,613
Speaker 4: So you've got both boys and girls?

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01:32:04,173 --> 01:32:07,333
Speaker 28: Yeah, I've got two boys and a girl. We found

1920
01:32:07,372 --> 01:32:10,893
Speaker 28: out they were just simply because I don't know. We

1921
01:32:11,253 --> 01:32:13,492
Speaker 28: lived in a small house at that time, and we

1922
01:32:13,532 --> 01:32:17,692
Speaker 28: didn't want to have multiple pairs of different color coding

1923
01:32:19,213 --> 01:32:21,652
Speaker 28: and plus financial as well because I was the only

1924
01:32:21,652 --> 01:32:23,973
Speaker 28: one that was working at the time, and so we

1925
01:32:24,013 --> 01:32:26,213
Speaker 28: sort of found out very a little bit easier. I

1926
01:32:26,253 --> 01:32:29,732
Speaker 28: know some people think differently, but I wouldn't change the things.

1927
01:32:29,772 --> 01:32:33,532
Speaker 28: They're all great kids, all very different ones. You know,

1928
01:32:33,612 --> 01:32:36,013
Speaker 28: the oldest boys into this technology and he works for

1929
01:32:36,013 --> 01:32:36,932
Speaker 28: a good tech company.

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01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:38,412
Speaker 17: My daughter's.

1931
01:32:39,532 --> 01:32:41,892
Speaker 28: She's all grown up now twenty and I've got a

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01:32:41,933 --> 01:32:45,852
Speaker 28: teenager boy who's a great way sportsman in a professional shitthead.

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01:32:46,412 --> 01:32:48,573
Speaker 9: But that's all good.

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Speaker 4: See.

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01:32:50,612 --> 01:32:52,932
Speaker 3: I pushed back on all these people that are saying

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01:32:52,933 --> 01:32:55,652
Speaker 3: that girls are trouble in their teens because I can

1937
01:32:55,853 --> 01:32:58,253
Speaker 3: describe I can describe a lot of boys that I think.

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01:32:58,452 --> 01:33:01,053
Speaker 3: I was a terrible teacher that was a nightmare for

1939
01:33:01,133 --> 01:33:05,372
Speaker 3: my parents. I mean, none of my sisters, Mark, none

1940
01:33:05,412 --> 01:33:08,213
Speaker 3: of my sisters stole Dad's car and ran a red light,

1941
01:33:08,412 --> 01:33:11,412
Speaker 3: crested it when he was supposed to get school. Yeah,

1942
01:33:11,532 --> 01:33:13,372
Speaker 3: and my sister did anything as bad as that.

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01:33:14,772 --> 01:33:18,252
Speaker 28: And also on the topic, if men were to become extinct,

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01:33:18,812 --> 01:33:21,972
Speaker 28: possibly three things that could really happen. Could you imagine

1945
01:33:22,053 --> 01:33:25,572
Speaker 28: if there was the insects and all the rodents got window.

1946
01:33:25,612 --> 01:33:27,572
Speaker 28: There were no men that women would be trapped in

1947
01:33:27,572 --> 01:33:30,732
Speaker 28: their houses because they would you know, it would be

1948
01:33:30,772 --> 01:33:33,253
Speaker 28: like a would be like a documentary. You know, day

1949
01:33:33,293 --> 01:33:35,452
Speaker 28: fifty one, the spider is still on the doorknob. How

1950
01:33:35,452 --> 01:33:39,453
Speaker 28: am I going to get out of my house? Secondly,

1951
01:33:40,173 --> 01:33:42,692
Speaker 28: there'll be multiple cars landing on the road because we

1952
01:33:42,772 --> 01:33:45,412
Speaker 28: know what woman alike would come servicing. They seem to

1953
01:33:45,452 --> 01:33:49,532
Speaker 28: forget their vehicles. Third one, there wouldn't be any world

1954
01:33:49,612 --> 01:33:53,133
Speaker 28: wars because simply nations wouldn't speak to each other. And

1955
01:33:53,173 --> 01:33:55,933
Speaker 28: then they'll be on social media and it'll be like,

1956
01:33:56,333 --> 01:33:59,572
Speaker 28: don't trust Career because she's sleeping with Germany. She's a slapper,

1957
01:33:59,732 --> 01:34:01,213
Speaker 28: and it would go on for years.

1958
01:34:01,372 --> 01:34:02,932
Speaker 3: Make do you mind if there's just like I can

1959
01:34:02,973 --> 01:34:06,213
Speaker 3: see like a group of people just doing some pitchforks

1960
01:34:06,213 --> 01:34:08,293
Speaker 3: together around those last three comments.

1961
01:34:08,372 --> 01:34:08,972
Speaker 4: Just wonder if I.

1962
01:34:08,893 --> 01:34:11,492
Speaker 3: Can give you address out just so they both passed

1963
01:34:11,893 --> 01:34:16,973
Speaker 3: Tyler and I No marks got back.

1964
01:34:18,253 --> 01:34:19,652
Speaker 9: Yeh, look they can.

1965
01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:21,532
Speaker 28: I know they can find me in the land of

1966
01:34:21,532 --> 01:34:22,372
Speaker 28: onion sausages.

1967
01:34:24,253 --> 01:34:26,412
Speaker 3: Land of onion sausages, Gone mark, and you know all

1968
01:34:26,572 --> 01:34:27,932
Speaker 3: is forgiven with the onion sausages.

1969
01:34:28,013 --> 01:34:29,092
Speaker 4: Let's go. It's a good place.

1970
01:34:29,293 --> 01:34:29,612
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1971
01:34:29,893 --> 01:34:32,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolute staple of Southern cuisine.

1972
01:34:33,692 --> 01:34:36,293
Speaker 4: Right, I think I'll we have time for Craig. Craig,

1973
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:38,452
Speaker 4: you've got three girls?

1974
01:34:39,612 --> 01:34:42,612
Speaker 19: Yeah, mate, three girls. On the third one. I wanted

1975
01:34:42,652 --> 01:34:45,213
Speaker 19: to find out what I really wanted that boy. I'm

1976
01:34:45,253 --> 01:34:47,852
Speaker 19: glad I did because when in the ultra sound when

1977
01:34:47,853 --> 01:34:50,772
Speaker 19: they said it was another girl, sort of my heart

1978
01:34:50,893 --> 01:34:54,532
Speaker 19: sank momentarily, you know, held beings on the boy, but

1979
01:34:54,572 --> 01:34:56,333
Speaker 19: by the time you got to the car, you're really

1980
01:34:56,372 --> 01:34:58,812
Speaker 19: looking forward to when your new girl's going to arrive,

1981
01:34:58,893 --> 01:35:00,492
Speaker 19: you know. But I wouldn't have liked to have bet

1982
01:35:00,572 --> 01:35:03,092
Speaker 19: that feeling in the delivery suite.

1983
01:35:03,692 --> 01:35:04,093
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1984
01:35:04,732 --> 01:35:04,892
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1985
01:35:05,053 --> 01:35:08,293
Speaker 19: You're also got to wish what you you know, think

1986
01:35:08,412 --> 01:35:10,692
Speaker 19: what you're wished for. Tyler, you said you want girls.

1987
01:35:10,692 --> 01:35:12,892
Speaker 19: I'll tell you what they're really good until they're thirteen.

1988
01:35:13,692 --> 01:35:17,052
Speaker 19: Then I call it the bitch factor. And that'sn't until

1989
01:35:17,053 --> 01:35:20,612
Speaker 19: they're about twenty two or twenty three. And during that

1990
01:35:20,732 --> 01:35:23,293
Speaker 19: time that you've got a boy, you've only got one

1991
01:35:23,293 --> 01:35:25,253
Speaker 19: willing to worry about what girls you've.

1992
01:35:25,093 --> 01:35:25,612
Speaker 1: Got them all.

1993
01:35:25,973 --> 01:35:27,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair argument.

1994
01:35:27,293 --> 01:35:28,732
Speaker 4: It's a yeah, very fair argument.

1995
01:35:28,772 --> 01:35:33,053
Speaker 3: It's quite a famous saying that one. Yeah, particularly potentially controversial.

1996
01:35:33,133 --> 01:35:37,452
Speaker 3: I mean in the end, I mean, you know, just whatever.

1997
01:35:37,973 --> 01:35:39,613
Speaker 3: You just want the kid to be healthy.

1998
01:35:39,412 --> 01:35:42,253
Speaker 4: Right yeah, healthy, happy, and look it appears to be

1999
01:35:42,293 --> 01:35:45,692
Speaker 4: a lot of people have said this A balance is important. Yeah,

2000
01:35:45,732 --> 01:35:47,413
Speaker 4: I think that's what it's about, right, absolutely.

2001
01:35:47,532 --> 01:35:49,333
Speaker 3: I mean, how badly did trying to get it wrong

2002
01:35:49,333 --> 01:35:52,892
Speaker 3: with the one child policy? And then you know, as

2003
01:35:52,893 --> 01:35:55,612
Speaker 3: I said before, one point six million girls missing in

2004
01:35:55,652 --> 01:35:57,532
Speaker 3: two thousand from how many you'd expect to be born.

2005
01:35:57,772 --> 01:36:00,132
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't that that's a that's just a horrible situation.

2006
01:36:00,692 --> 01:36:02,572
Speaker 3: But I would push back on the economist saying that

2007
01:36:02,612 --> 01:36:05,052
Speaker 3: the world would be a better place with more females

2008
01:36:05,133 --> 01:36:07,692
Speaker 3: than men. Yeah, I think. I think we complement each

2009
01:36:07,732 --> 01:36:10,532
Speaker 3: other exactly. I think we've evolved.

2010
01:36:10,173 --> 01:36:12,012
Speaker 4: Men and women for a reason. We need both.

2011
01:36:12,293 --> 01:36:14,652
Speaker 3: This text out, I thought this was a touching text.

2012
01:36:14,893 --> 01:36:17,053
Speaker 3: I always remember driving my wife to hospital at one

2013
01:36:17,133 --> 01:36:19,412
Speaker 3: hundred kilometers at per hour, but driving home at ten

2014
01:36:19,452 --> 01:36:22,013
Speaker 3: kilometers an hour. That was fourteen years ago. When that

2015
01:36:22,133 --> 01:36:24,412
Speaker 3: sums that there's a deep meaning in that. Driving there

2016
01:36:24,452 --> 01:36:26,812
Speaker 3: one hundred kilimeters now and driving home at ten calmears

2017
01:36:26,853 --> 01:36:29,093
Speaker 3: now that is a lovely lady. Makes me well up

2018
01:36:29,093 --> 01:36:30,013
Speaker 3: a little bit thinking about that.

2019
01:36:30,053 --> 01:36:33,052
Speaker 4: For some reason, that was a great discussion, so thank

2020
01:36:33,093 --> 01:36:35,013
Speaker 4: you very much for everyone who called in text on that.

2021
01:36:35,133 --> 01:36:37,932
Speaker 4: Coming up, we have Mark Vitti back with us. He's

2022
01:36:37,973 --> 01:36:41,772
Speaker 4: a world renowned animal behaviorist. He's an educator who's been

2023
01:36:41,772 --> 01:36:44,293
Speaker 4: working with animals for over forty years, and he is

2024
01:36:44,333 --> 01:36:46,532
Speaker 4: taking your calls and questions if you've got an issue

2025
01:36:46,532 --> 01:36:48,852
Speaker 4: with your pet, he's the man to chat to. And

2026
01:36:49,253 --> 01:36:51,372
Speaker 4: the more obscure the pets, the better we want to

2027
01:36:51,412 --> 01:36:53,253
Speaker 4: try and throw Mark. We haven't managed to throw them

2028
01:36:53,253 --> 01:36:56,413
Speaker 4: with any pet now so yet. So now is your opportunity.

2029
01:36:56,532 --> 01:36:59,053
Speaker 3: And speaking of Mar's ng in sausage, Mark I will

2030
01:36:59,652 --> 01:37:01,852
Speaker 3: text in. If you want to address for your mob

2031
01:37:01,933 --> 01:37:04,692
Speaker 3: with your pitchfawks, then just text down and give you

2032
01:37:04,732 --> 01:37:05,172
Speaker 3: his stress.

2033
01:37:05,812 --> 01:37:08,333
Speaker 4: There's bang on half us three.

2034
01:37:08,492 --> 01:37:13,492
Speaker 5: Wow us talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxes.

2035
01:37:13,652 --> 01:37:17,173
Speaker 16: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Independent Children's

2036
01:37:17,253 --> 01:37:20,293
Speaker 16: Monitor says more money needs to go on helping Mary

2037
01:37:20,412 --> 01:37:24,652
Speaker 16: youth early who are over represented in orrangtomdi Key care.

2038
01:37:25,213 --> 01:37:29,492
Speaker 16: It says addressing poverty, housing and security, family violence and

2039
01:37:29,612 --> 01:37:34,293
Speaker 16: mental health issues can prevent escalation. Christ Church police are

2040
01:37:34,333 --> 01:37:37,893
Speaker 16: asking people to search back yards, sheds and sleep arts

2041
01:37:37,933 --> 01:37:41,772
Speaker 16: for Elizabeth Nichols, a seventy nine year old with dementia,

2042
01:37:41,812 --> 01:37:45,892
Speaker 16: missing since last Wednesday. She's gone missing from Rickitton's Margaret's

2043
01:37:45,933 --> 01:37:48,972
Speaker 16: dodd Art retirement village and was last seen at Chateau

2044
01:37:49,053 --> 01:37:53,533
Speaker 16: on the Park. California's governor has delivered a speech slamming

2045
01:37:53,652 --> 01:37:59,013
Speaker 16: Donald Trump, sending federal forces to Allay's anti deportation protests.

2046
01:37:59,173 --> 01:38:03,093
Speaker 16: Protests are also breaking out in other US cities. The

2047
01:38:03,133 --> 01:38:06,092
Speaker 16: Prime Minister says a courier pole for fair rated farmers

2048
01:38:06,253 --> 01:38:10,053
Speaker 16: showing strong support for national is no surprise because his

2049
01:38:10,173 --> 01:38:13,372
Speaker 16: government loves farmers. He's doing the rounds at field Days

2050
01:38:13,412 --> 01:38:18,132
Speaker 16: attended by many politicians while Liam Lawson's red bull future

2051
01:38:18,213 --> 01:38:21,652
Speaker 16: lies in Yuki Sonoda's hands. See the full column at

2052
01:38:21,732 --> 01:38:25,213
Speaker 16: ends in Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2053
01:38:24,973 --> 01:38:28,052
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Rayleian Mark Viddi is a world

2054
01:38:28,053 --> 01:38:30,852
Speaker 4: renowned animal behaviorist an educator who has been working with

2055
01:38:30,933 --> 01:38:34,293
Speaker 4: animals for over forty years. He's a trained animal psychologist

2056
01:38:34,412 --> 01:38:36,812
Speaker 4: as well, and he joins us once a month on

2057
01:38:36,933 --> 01:38:39,652
Speaker 4: our ask the Expert series. He's back with us. Mark,

2058
01:38:39,692 --> 01:38:43,452
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Good afternoon. How are you very good?

2059
01:38:43,492 --> 01:38:44,612
Speaker 3: Has it been a month already?

2060
01:38:45,412 --> 01:38:46,612
Speaker 4: Time fly? Mark?

2061
01:38:47,293 --> 01:38:49,812
Speaker 23: Yeah, finished the book since Sensor.

2062
01:38:49,893 --> 01:38:50,333
Speaker 7: That's good.

2063
01:38:50,532 --> 01:38:53,253
Speaker 4: Oh, Win's the book out September.

2064
01:38:53,372 --> 01:38:55,213
Speaker 23: Your cat's in so Cat Bavy book.

2065
01:38:55,853 --> 01:38:56,973
Speaker 4: You go fantastic?

2066
01:38:57,013 --> 01:38:57,612
Speaker 3: Look for that.

2067
01:38:57,652 --> 01:38:59,372
Speaker 4: Will Donald will be interested in a career and non

2068
01:38:59,412 --> 01:39:00,093
Speaker 4: hunting cat.

2069
01:39:00,333 --> 01:39:03,093
Speaker 3: Oh wow, well, look Donald be interested in that because

2070
01:39:03,093 --> 01:39:04,133
Speaker 3: Donnad's got a cat question.

2071
01:39:04,333 --> 01:39:10,333
Speaker 15: Donna, do we have a Hi?

2072
01:39:10,812 --> 01:39:13,892
Speaker 29: We have a mixed breed one and caby. But he's

2073
01:39:14,093 --> 01:39:16,692
Speaker 29: mixed breed. He's crazy anyway, it's one a half years old,

2074
01:39:16,812 --> 01:39:21,812
Speaker 29: is very very well fed at home. He's lively anyway,

2075
01:39:21,893 --> 01:39:26,093
Speaker 29: he's taken now to not just chasing mice, he's and

2076
01:39:26,173 --> 01:39:29,492
Speaker 29: killing them. But he's now eating them. Why would he

2077
01:39:29,612 --> 01:39:32,132
Speaker 29: do that? He is an outside care he is a hunter.

2078
01:39:32,572 --> 01:39:36,213
Speaker 29: But the previous cat would wouldn't do that at all.

2079
01:39:36,293 --> 01:39:39,692
Speaker 23: Yeah, that's very natural. It's very natural. I mean, cats

2080
01:39:39,732 --> 01:39:43,412
Speaker 23: don't don't hunt or not hunt because they're hungry or

2081
01:39:43,452 --> 01:39:47,692
Speaker 23: not angry. So it might seem unusual, but that's that's

2082
01:39:47,692 --> 01:39:51,972
Speaker 23: the natural that species. And so yeah, that when they hunt,

2083
01:39:51,973 --> 01:39:56,213
Speaker 23: they they often don't eat initially when they're when they're

2084
01:39:56,532 --> 01:39:59,372
Speaker 23: naive to hunting, and they're early in hunting, they don't

2085
01:39:59,372 --> 01:40:01,973
Speaker 23: get guided by the mother from four to six weeks on.

2086
01:40:02,452 --> 01:40:05,612
Speaker 23: Then they don't have great hunting skills. And in fact,

2087
01:40:05,692 --> 01:40:08,132
Speaker 23: my new books one of the big things that we're teaching,

2088
01:40:08,452 --> 01:40:11,293
Speaker 23: that book has how to prevent hunting, you know, to

2089
01:40:11,452 --> 01:40:14,692
Speaker 23: develop no hunt conditioning for particularly for birds, you know,

2090
01:40:14,853 --> 01:40:19,013
Speaker 23: and just to decrease wildlife killing. But of course the

2091
01:40:19,093 --> 01:40:20,973
Speaker 23: hunting Marston rats uns so much of an issue in

2092
01:40:21,013 --> 01:40:24,812
Speaker 23: that sense because they also hunt the wildlife. So so

2093
01:40:24,933 --> 01:40:26,372
Speaker 23: what we in.

2094
01:40:26,293 --> 01:40:28,372
Speaker 4: That situation is natural for the cat to eat.

2095
01:40:29,333 --> 01:40:32,093
Speaker 23: It's all it's all natural that, yeah. And as they

2096
01:40:32,173 --> 01:40:36,612
Speaker 23: develop they're hunting skills. They go from just catching, which

2097
01:40:36,652 --> 01:40:38,452
Speaker 23: is part of what they do when their kittens before

2098
01:40:38,452 --> 01:40:41,572
Speaker 23: they actually learned to kill and eat. And and there

2099
01:40:41,692 --> 01:40:44,572
Speaker 23: they're different stages in the in the hunting sequence what

2100
01:40:44,572 --> 01:40:46,572
Speaker 23: we what we call used to call a fixed action

2101
01:40:46,692 --> 01:40:49,572
Speaker 23: pattern now called a modal action pattern. So those are

2102
01:40:49,652 --> 01:40:52,852
Speaker 23: those are what the sequence of babes they go through

2103
01:40:53,173 --> 01:40:57,772
Speaker 23: in hunting, driven by different motivations or seeking mechanisms in

2104
01:40:57,893 --> 01:40:59,372
Speaker 23: their hormones and so on.

2105
01:40:59,652 --> 01:41:02,892
Speaker 1: So that's the way it all works. Yeah, they the.

2106
01:41:03,053 --> 01:41:07,052
Speaker 15: Question, thank you, what's your what's your book called?

2107
01:41:07,133 --> 01:41:09,652
Speaker 23: Then it will be called Cats, and it's coming out

2108
01:41:09,692 --> 01:41:13,293
Speaker 23: in September. So it's it's about how to rear and

2109
01:41:13,412 --> 01:41:15,772
Speaker 23: train a cat, and it's also about how to how

2110
01:41:15,812 --> 01:41:23,692
Speaker 23: do you spell that c a t zdy in it's

2111
01:41:23,692 --> 01:41:27,412
Speaker 23: about being able to teach a cat to bond with you.

2112
01:41:27,492 --> 01:41:28,972
Speaker 3: Really well, thank you for you called Donna.

2113
01:41:29,053 --> 01:41:30,732
Speaker 4: So better mouse meat? Nothing wrong with a bit of

2114
01:41:30,732 --> 01:41:31,932
Speaker 4: mouse meat for a cat then.

2115
01:41:32,612 --> 01:41:34,812
Speaker 23: No, No, of course it's got all the goods and

2116
01:41:34,893 --> 01:41:38,052
Speaker 23: it that's exactly what they're designed to eat, so that's

2117
01:41:38,253 --> 01:41:39,772
Speaker 23: only natural to do here.

2118
01:41:39,853 --> 01:41:43,133
Speaker 3: The tails are delicious. Welcome to show you've got a

2119
01:41:43,213 --> 01:41:44,572
Speaker 3: you've got a cat question as well?

2120
01:41:47,053 --> 01:41:52,412
Speaker 30: Hi Julie, Hello, sorry, Yes, one of my cats, the

2121
01:41:52,452 --> 01:41:56,612
Speaker 30: one particularly you colimb under up on the beard to

2122
01:41:56,812 --> 01:42:00,133
Speaker 30: go under the bed clothes. She'll come over to my

2123
01:42:00,372 --> 01:42:05,293
Speaker 30: side where I'm sleeping, and she proceeds the backside to

2124
01:42:05,372 --> 01:42:06,052
Speaker 30: my face.

2125
01:42:08,053 --> 01:42:12,532
Speaker 3: Rue with the tail lifted up right up as well.

2126
01:42:12,532 --> 01:42:14,852
Speaker 3: That's what cats do. They love the tail being right

2127
01:42:14,893 --> 01:42:16,933
Speaker 3: up under those circumstances.

2128
01:42:17,333 --> 01:42:20,492
Speaker 23: Exactly, you know, I mean the interesting thing about normally

2129
01:42:20,492 --> 01:42:23,053
Speaker 23: what happens when they come up to you is they

2130
01:42:23,452 --> 01:42:26,213
Speaker 23: come up with their cheek, and if you handle their

2131
01:42:26,293 --> 01:42:28,692
Speaker 23: cheek and you'll hear them, of course they'll start pairing

2132
01:42:28,732 --> 01:42:32,772
Speaker 23: in that situation. And as opposed to let them adopt

2133
01:42:32,772 --> 01:42:36,532
Speaker 23: their own position. It's probably not that she's turning that

2134
01:42:36,572 --> 01:42:39,452
Speaker 23: way for any particular reason except that she feels more

2135
01:42:39,492 --> 01:42:42,133
Speaker 23: comfortable that way. But if you actually handle her in

2136
01:42:42,173 --> 01:42:45,252
Speaker 23: the chin cheek region, then you'll see her keep presenting

2137
01:42:45,293 --> 01:42:47,012
Speaker 23: the front of her head for a while and then

2138
01:42:47,133 --> 01:42:49,093
Speaker 23: and then she'll fall as sheep in that position and

2139
01:42:49,133 --> 01:42:51,572
Speaker 23: she's start learning to sleep that way, if that's what

2140
01:42:51,572 --> 01:42:55,452
Speaker 23: you wanted to do, So kicking the cheek because that

2141
01:42:55,532 --> 01:42:58,652
Speaker 23: activates what we call the peril glands around the face

2142
01:42:59,452 --> 01:43:03,892
Speaker 23: there and that which is their rubbing pheromones, and that's

2143
01:43:03,933 --> 01:43:06,412
Speaker 23: them meat and Greek behavior towards their mum. And you're

2144
01:43:06,452 --> 01:43:07,892
Speaker 23: the mom, you're the sayingad mother.

2145
01:43:08,772 --> 01:43:10,572
Speaker 4: Because I was gonna ask why do cats like to

2146
01:43:10,652 --> 01:43:13,253
Speaker 4: just stick the heads into small spaces? That's probably why

2147
01:43:13,253 --> 01:43:15,692
Speaker 4: because they love a lot of cats. If you, you know,

2148
01:43:15,732 --> 01:43:17,372
Speaker 4: you make a wee hole with your hands, they love

2149
01:43:17,412 --> 01:43:19,652
Speaker 4: to just squeeze the head in there. I take it

2150
01:43:19,692 --> 01:43:21,612
Speaker 4: they've got some sort of you know, they just laugh

2151
01:43:21,692 --> 01:43:22,652
Speaker 4: a bit of a chick scratch.

2152
01:43:23,452 --> 01:43:25,532
Speaker 23: Yeah, well they do, and and you'll see, you know

2153
01:43:25,532 --> 01:43:28,173
Speaker 23: how they pushed against you when you come up and

2154
01:43:28,572 --> 01:43:31,253
Speaker 23: greet them, and that's what you're after. I call that

2155
01:43:31,333 --> 01:43:33,852
Speaker 23: joining up in cats, And so when I'm joining up

2156
01:43:33,893 --> 01:43:36,133
Speaker 23: with a cat, I tickle the cheek. It's always the

2157
01:43:36,133 --> 01:43:38,053
Speaker 23: first place you should touch a cat. Don't touch your

2158
01:43:38,093 --> 01:43:40,652
Speaker 23: cats anywhere else. Always touch on the cheek. And that's

2159
01:43:40,652 --> 01:43:43,812
Speaker 23: for that reason, fair enough to Yes, it's.

2160
01:43:43,652 --> 01:43:44,772
Speaker 4: Quite nice for humans as well.

2161
01:43:44,812 --> 01:43:47,852
Speaker 23: I've got to say whiskers to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I like one hundred and eighty and eighty.

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Speaker 4: We're joined by Mark Vidi Wild, renowned animal behaviorist. He's

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Speaker 4: taking your questions. You've got a problem with your pet,

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Speaker 4: here is the man to chat too. It's twenty one to.

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Speaker 2: Four the issues that affect you, and a bit of

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Speaker 2: fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 4: They'd be good afternoon nineteen to four, and we're joined

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Speaker 4: by Mark Vitti Wild, renowned animal behavior normally with oh sorry,

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Speaker 4: Mark taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighty and we've got a full board here, but

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01:44:18,853 --> 01:44:21,093
Speaker 4: there's a couple of text questions comes through for your mark.

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Speaker 3: Here we go. This is from a Chelsea. I'm adopting

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Speaker 3: an adult cat this weekend. She's five and not overly affectionate.

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Speaker 3: How do I make her love me?

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Speaker 23: Well, that's a good question. One of the things about

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Speaker 23: cats is the early socialization that they have in the

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01:44:36,893 --> 01:44:40,293
Speaker 23: two to seven week period predetermines pretty much their level

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Speaker 23: of sociality into the future. So depending on how much

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01:44:43,893 --> 01:44:45,812
Speaker 23: they got and clearly she didn't get that much at

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01:44:45,812 --> 01:44:48,572
Speaker 23: that time or enough, and that's why she's a bit

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Speaker 23: more independent. However, if you've just got her, it does

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01:44:51,612 --> 01:44:54,893
Speaker 23: take a while for a cat to adapt and resocialize

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01:44:54,933 --> 01:44:58,572
Speaker 23: and rebond. So the best thing to do is once

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01:44:58,612 --> 01:45:01,772
Speaker 23: you start getting feeding under control and she starts to

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01:45:01,812 --> 01:45:04,253
Speaker 23: realize that you're in charge of those kind of goods,

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01:45:04,412 --> 01:45:08,173
Speaker 23: then that's the first step towards your heart and click

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01:45:08,412 --> 01:45:13,333
Speaker 23: training I use to enhance that appetite and that ability

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01:45:13,372 --> 01:45:16,012
Speaker 23: for them to realize that I'm in control of those

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01:45:16,053 --> 01:45:18,412
Speaker 23: resources and I can get it to do things, even

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01:45:18,452 --> 01:45:21,213
Speaker 23: if it's just to come and sit. But basically, what

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01:45:21,253 --> 01:45:24,093
Speaker 23: I'm trying to do is make that relationship stronger, and

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01:45:24,133 --> 01:45:26,572
Speaker 23: the way to do that is to utilize food in

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01:45:26,612 --> 01:45:29,572
Speaker 23: that early stage. And when they do engage with you,

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01:45:29,652 --> 01:45:31,652
Speaker 23: then you move into what I called joining up, which

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01:45:31,732 --> 01:45:34,692
Speaker 23: is that little tickle on the cheek mainly, and don't

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01:45:34,732 --> 01:45:36,612
Speaker 23: progress down the rest of the body for a little

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01:45:36,652 --> 01:45:39,093
Speaker 23: while until the cat starts to show you that it

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Speaker 23: wants to engage you, and that's by rubbing against you,

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01:45:41,853 --> 01:45:44,893
Speaker 23: and so don't force the issue with a cat's.

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Speaker 1: Its own.

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01:45:47,053 --> 01:45:48,852
Speaker 4: Daniel, welcome to the show. You've got a question about

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01:45:48,853 --> 01:45:49,692
Speaker 4: a one year old dog.

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01:45:50,973 --> 01:45:54,492
Speaker 31: Yeah, good hs, thanks for taking the school. Look, we're

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01:45:54,492 --> 01:45:58,133
Speaker 31: at a four and a half year old boditoria. He's

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01:45:58,133 --> 01:46:01,812
Speaker 31: suburb and we recently, well you ago got a saw

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01:46:01,853 --> 01:46:06,852
Speaker 31: the foxy, durable little feller, mostly super well behaved, and

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01:46:07,133 --> 01:46:09,053
Speaker 31: that recently you've took a out of the trade at

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Speaker 31: night and you're speaking on his.

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Speaker 25: Bed quite well.

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01:46:11,173 --> 01:46:12,053
Speaker 1: No problems.

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01:46:13,173 --> 01:46:15,133
Speaker 31: The problems we have with him, We've got plenty of

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01:46:15,173 --> 01:46:19,092
Speaker 31: true toys. But like today was probably the third fourth

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01:46:19,133 --> 01:46:23,173
Speaker 31: time it's happened where he'll destroy something while we're gone.

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01:46:23,372 --> 01:46:25,612
Speaker 31: But when I said, well we're gone, my wife, I'm lucky.

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01:46:25,612 --> 01:46:28,772
Speaker 31: The laughter she's a stay home mum and of the

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01:46:28,772 --> 01:46:32,012
Speaker 31: time she occasionally pops out for an hour or two.

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01:46:32,093 --> 01:46:35,333
Speaker 31: And today destroyed a kid's school book, so we're up

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01:46:35,333 --> 01:46:35,932
Speaker 31: for a library.

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01:46:37,372 --> 01:46:40,932
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's so he's starting to show separation dustries issues.

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01:46:40,973 --> 01:46:43,452
Speaker 23: Does it seem to get anxious somehow or worry about

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01:46:43,452 --> 01:46:46,612
Speaker 23: you being when you leave when everyone goes away, and

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01:46:46,732 --> 01:46:47,452
Speaker 23: is that when it's.

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01:46:47,293 --> 01:46:51,932
Speaker 31: Happening now he seems to be quite happy. He didn't

2225
01:46:51,973 --> 01:46:53,812
Speaker 31: like to create too much, and that's why we got

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01:46:53,853 --> 01:46:57,253
Speaker 31: one of that night, and he's been great. It's just

2227
01:46:57,333 --> 01:46:59,652
Speaker 31: when when my wife will leave home for a couple

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01:46:59,692 --> 01:47:02,692
Speaker 31: of hours, it's like a I don't know, we think

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01:47:02,692 --> 01:47:04,412
Speaker 31: it's almost like a rebellious how do.

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01:47:04,412 --> 01:47:04,892
Speaker 14: You leave me?

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01:47:05,853 --> 01:47:08,732
Speaker 23: Yeah, it'll be separation industries once when when you get

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01:47:08,732 --> 01:47:11,492
Speaker 23: a dog that starts that gets thatched at that level,

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01:47:11,532 --> 01:47:13,333
Speaker 23: which you know, did you say he was rescue?

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01:47:13,372 --> 01:47:15,652
Speaker 25: Was he nom?

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01:47:18,333 --> 01:47:18,532
Speaker 1: Yes?

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01:47:18,612 --> 01:47:21,293
Speaker 23: So it sounds like the basis of that would be

2237
01:47:21,333 --> 01:47:24,012
Speaker 23: separation distress. So I'd expect I'd be doing a little

2238
01:47:24,053 --> 01:47:26,892
Speaker 23: bit of what it call graduated departure around the house

2239
01:47:26,933 --> 01:47:28,933
Speaker 23: and just see if he settles, you know, when you

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Speaker 23: leave for short periods and he can last, I'd also,

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01:47:32,612 --> 01:47:35,892
Speaker 23: of course take up all the jewables to the greed

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01:47:35,933 --> 01:47:38,253
Speaker 23: I can, and I would also look to do some

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01:47:38,492 --> 01:47:41,572
Speaker 23: environmental management, decide to keep him in a different place

2244
01:47:41,652 --> 01:47:45,293
Speaker 23: that's more suitable for you know, not destroying you know,

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01:47:45,412 --> 01:47:48,893
Speaker 23: the important family things. And so I think about that

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01:47:49,093 --> 01:47:51,612
Speaker 23: just over the first while. I suspect he's just getting

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01:47:51,652 --> 01:47:55,173
Speaker 23: more attached and more and separation distress is setting in

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01:47:55,213 --> 01:47:57,133
Speaker 23: a bit more. Particularly when you got someone at home

2249
01:47:57,173 --> 01:47:59,812
Speaker 23: all the time, they tend to get over attached. So

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Speaker 23: I suspect that's what's going on, and that's probably separation

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01:48:03,333 --> 01:48:06,053
Speaker 23: to stress on. If you jump onto the schools, there's

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01:48:06,053 --> 01:48:09,653
Speaker 23: a video on showing you how to do graduated departure.

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01:48:10,173 --> 01:48:13,972
Speaker 23: So that's the technique that I'd be using and hopefully

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01:48:14,013 --> 01:48:14,652
Speaker 23: that's the issue.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. You called Daniel Susie. You've got a seven

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Speaker 3: year old rescue dog that's a bit anxious, Yes, I have.

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Speaker 31: Yes, he's He will just head butter windows till it breaks,

2258
01:48:26,333 --> 01:48:29,612
Speaker 31: and rip up curtains, carpet too, off, the knobs on

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01:48:29,652 --> 01:48:31,813
Speaker 31: the cabinet tree, just loud noises.

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01:48:32,412 --> 01:48:33,492
Speaker 30: And I can't get him out of it.

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01:48:34,492 --> 01:48:37,013
Speaker 23: Yeah, So so so what we do is we use

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01:48:37,053 --> 01:48:42,533
Speaker 23: a we you go on to us YouTube or iTunes,

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01:48:42,572 --> 01:48:44,452
Speaker 23: and there's also a couple of websites. If you jump

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01:48:44,532 --> 01:48:47,333
Speaker 23: on my stuff, those websites are there. You can get

2265
01:48:47,372 --> 01:48:50,333
Speaker 23: what called what we call the sound scary tapes and

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01:48:50,652 --> 01:48:53,132
Speaker 23: uh and they just play them over over the speaker

2267
01:48:53,652 --> 01:48:57,772
Speaker 23: and using a desnsitization technique with clicking food reward, you

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01:48:57,853 --> 01:49:01,133
Speaker 23: can then desensitize into those sounds. It takes about six weeks.

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01:49:01,452 --> 01:49:04,133
Speaker 23: You've got to put a bit of diffident obviously, and yeah,

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01:49:04,293 --> 01:49:05,293
Speaker 23: it's very durable.

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Speaker 1: If you're how old is the dog see them seven?

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01:49:09,333 --> 01:49:11,972
Speaker 23: Yeah, so it's an adult and quite late in life,

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01:49:12,053 --> 01:49:14,612
Speaker 23: so it's not unusual that as they grow older they

2274
01:49:14,692 --> 01:49:16,892
Speaker 23: get a little bit more hypercents of to noise.

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Speaker 1: But often it's had.

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Speaker 23: It was there to some degree in the early stages,

2277
01:49:21,372 --> 01:49:24,133
Speaker 23: but now it's developed into a phobia. So when you've

2278
01:49:24,173 --> 01:49:26,293
Speaker 23: got a phobia at that level, sometimes we need drug

2279
01:49:26,692 --> 01:49:29,812
Speaker 23: facilitated therapy as well. If you jump into dogs in

2280
01:49:29,973 --> 01:49:33,133
Speaker 23: either the book or the or the online videos, this

2281
01:49:33,333 --> 01:49:35,772
Speaker 23: video on how to treat that, and it shows you

2282
01:49:35,853 --> 01:49:39,132
Speaker 23: how to do the desensitization with a clicker and sometimes

2283
01:49:39,173 --> 01:49:41,732
Speaker 23: you'll need veterinary help with medication.

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01:49:41,973 --> 01:49:46,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that helps Susie and mouth. You've got

2285
01:49:46,333 --> 01:49:47,333
Speaker 3: a prolific liquor.

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01:49:49,013 --> 01:49:49,213
Speaker 6: I have.

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Speaker 21: Indeed, we have we a nine year old la Epso

2288
01:49:51,933 --> 01:49:55,053
Speaker 21: male dog and he's a great dog. But he's a

2289
01:49:55,093 --> 01:49:59,572
Speaker 21: proflific liquor. The moment down beside us, he starts flicking.

2290
01:50:00,013 --> 01:50:01,652
Speaker 21: If you're take them to our bedroom of nighttime, he

2291
01:50:01,732 --> 01:50:03,932
Speaker 21: slips down the licks and licks and licks.

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01:50:04,492 --> 01:50:05,892
Speaker 13: Not necessarily.

2293
01:50:07,213 --> 01:50:10,973
Speaker 31: Himself, Yes, himself and you or himself.

2294
01:50:11,853 --> 01:50:15,372
Speaker 21: Himself, tells us. But yeah, he'll lock himself and then

2295
01:50:15,412 --> 01:50:18,253
Speaker 21: he'll turn on us and start looking at leagus or whatever.

2296
01:50:19,452 --> 01:50:21,052
Speaker 14: But looking.

2297
01:50:21,372 --> 01:50:23,612
Speaker 23: Has he got obsessive licking on his skin somewhere?

2298
01:50:23,732 --> 01:50:24,412
Speaker 1: Is that what he's doing?

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01:50:24,732 --> 01:50:25,492
Speaker 4: Like on his legs.

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01:50:27,532 --> 01:50:29,772
Speaker 21: It can where he can reach, mark like he can

2301
01:50:30,452 --> 01:50:33,012
Speaker 21: his foot or his belly or anywhere he can reach.

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01:50:33,093 --> 01:50:33,492
Speaker 21: You'll lick.

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01:50:34,293 --> 01:50:36,452
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and then he does the same with you.

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01:50:37,692 --> 01:50:39,293
Speaker 18: He does, he does, Yeah, he does.

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01:50:39,412 --> 01:50:40,572
Speaker 1: Yeh's nine years old?

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01:50:40,772 --> 01:50:42,012
Speaker 23: Is he is he getting geriatric?

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01:50:42,053 --> 01:50:43,973
Speaker 31: Do you think is there any geriatric issues going on?

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01:50:44,452 --> 01:50:44,652
Speaker 7: Well?

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01:50:44,853 --> 01:50:46,692
Speaker 21: No, I mean we've had him for quite some time,

2310
01:50:46,812 --> 01:50:47,772
Speaker 21: he says, a nine years old.

2311
01:50:47,772 --> 01:50:49,572
Speaker 8: We've had him for nine year getting on.

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01:50:50,853 --> 01:50:52,892
Speaker 21: Yeah, he is like he has licked for a long

2313
01:50:53,013 --> 01:50:56,772
Speaker 21: long time and we came to a vent. The vit said, oh, look,

2314
01:50:56,772 --> 01:50:59,412
Speaker 21: it's probably anxiety or something like that. But I just

2315
01:50:59,452 --> 01:51:00,932
Speaker 21: sort of can't see that being the case.

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01:51:01,013 --> 01:51:06,173
Speaker 23: But dog, no, no, let me give you a trick.

2317
01:51:06,492 --> 01:51:08,253
Speaker 23: Let me give you a trick to have a great

2318
01:51:08,412 --> 01:51:11,972
Speaker 23: it's you know, it's an obsessive behavior, as you can see,

2319
01:51:12,412 --> 01:51:17,253
Speaker 23: and licking and dog communication is soliciting. It's like kissing,

2320
01:51:17,333 --> 01:51:20,412
Speaker 23: you know, it's a it's a soliciting, appeasing gesture, and

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01:51:20,492 --> 01:51:23,013
Speaker 23: that's why they do it to you, doing it to themselves.

2322
01:51:23,093 --> 01:51:27,572
Speaker 23: It's often caused by something else, you know, namely analogy.

2323
01:51:27,973 --> 01:51:30,812
Speaker 23: But in this case, what I do is I click

2324
01:51:30,853 --> 01:51:33,372
Speaker 23: a train them out of it, you know, which means

2325
01:51:33,772 --> 01:51:35,333
Speaker 23: I get them on the clicker with a high value

2326
01:51:35,372 --> 01:51:37,812
Speaker 23: food reward, and when they come into interaction with me,

2327
01:51:37,893 --> 01:51:39,333
Speaker 23: you know, the first thing they're going to do is lick.

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01:51:39,652 --> 01:51:41,492
Speaker 23: So instead of doing that, I click on a reward

2329
01:51:41,532 --> 01:51:44,652
Speaker 23: for not looking, and which happens obviously, you can do

2330
01:51:44,732 --> 01:51:47,253
Speaker 23: that straight away because they're not looking yet. And then

2331
01:51:47,333 --> 01:51:51,812
Speaker 23: I delay the click systematically for longer and longer until

2332
01:51:51,893 --> 01:51:54,572
Speaker 23: such time as they stop the licking behavior. You've normally

2333
01:51:54,652 --> 01:51:57,612
Speaker 23: got to redirect them onto some other activity like a

2334
01:51:57,732 --> 01:52:00,133
Speaker 23: chew toy, a kong or something like that for the

2335
01:52:00,173 --> 01:52:03,572
Speaker 23: initial stages. But as you progress, you can actually teach

2336
01:52:03,612 --> 01:52:05,812
Speaker 23: them to understand what you're doing. And then you just

2337
01:52:05,853 --> 01:52:07,972
Speaker 23: start to put a leave at command then and you're

2338
01:52:07,973 --> 01:52:10,572
Speaker 23: not being assertive or aggressive, You're just saying it queue

2339
01:52:11,013 --> 01:52:13,012
Speaker 23: and they learned that queue and then they stop looking.

2340
01:52:13,173 --> 01:52:16,013
Speaker 23: But remember every time you are assertive with them, they

2341
01:52:16,053 --> 01:52:18,812
Speaker 23: will increase in their looking, not decrease it. You can't

2342
01:52:18,853 --> 01:52:19,772
Speaker 23: do my punishment.

2343
01:52:20,213 --> 01:52:22,772
Speaker 3: Well, interesting, thank you, I reckon, I reckon my dog.

2344
01:52:22,853 --> 01:52:26,572
Speaker 3: Colin starts looking just to wake me up on the morning. Yeah,

2345
01:52:26,612 --> 01:52:27,133
Speaker 3: it starts going.

2346
01:52:27,812 --> 01:52:28,813
Speaker 1: Well, that's another.

2347
01:52:32,692 --> 01:52:36,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, five fifteen am. He wants a walkas face it's like.

2348
01:52:39,333 --> 01:52:42,013
Speaker 23: Means it also normally means breakfast, doesn't it?

2349
01:52:42,692 --> 01:52:44,852
Speaker 3: What is when you've missed heard that? Tyler? He's not

2350
01:52:44,893 --> 01:52:46,812
Speaker 3: looking in my face. He's looking his own downstairs.

2351
01:52:46,853 --> 01:52:48,732
Speaker 4: All right, okay, Yeah, he's having a good time.

2352
01:52:49,213 --> 01:52:49,412
Speaker 26: Ah.

2353
01:52:50,933 --> 01:52:55,012
Speaker 4: Here's a question exactly exptly, here's a question about a turtle.

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01:52:55,732 --> 01:52:55,972
Speaker 7: Mark.

2355
01:52:57,093 --> 01:52:59,932
Speaker 4: Can you please ask Mark how long do red eared

2356
01:53:00,093 --> 01:53:03,293
Speaker 4: sliders live for? We were given one about thirty years ago.

2357
01:53:03,532 --> 01:53:06,412
Speaker 4: And it is huge. Still seems to be healthy, but

2358
01:53:06,492 --> 01:53:07,893
Speaker 4: we don't know if he's geriatric or not.

2359
01:53:08,893 --> 01:53:11,013
Speaker 23: Oh god, I'd have to use AI to check that

2360
01:53:11,293 --> 01:53:13,253
Speaker 23: time frame because but it's long.

2361
01:53:13,853 --> 01:53:14,053
Speaker 6: You know.

2362
01:53:14,532 --> 01:53:18,052
Speaker 23: All of the reptiles, particularly the turtles and the tortoises,

2363
01:53:18,133 --> 01:53:21,692
Speaker 23: live a long time, and so I would expect thirty

2364
01:53:21,772 --> 01:53:23,852
Speaker 23: or forty years, but I'm not quite sure. Yeah, but

2365
01:53:24,692 --> 01:53:28,052
Speaker 23: I'll look that up for you and give you the number.

2366
01:53:28,293 --> 01:53:30,652
Speaker 4: Well, it's a red did you say it's a red redhead?

2367
01:53:31,652 --> 01:53:34,213
Speaker 4: RADI slider yep, ready to slider?

2368
01:53:34,333 --> 01:53:35,092
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

2369
01:53:35,893 --> 01:53:38,572
Speaker 3: What about what that Gala tortoise thirty?

2370
01:53:39,612 --> 01:53:40,652
Speaker 23: I'll go here if I can.

2371
01:53:40,853 --> 01:53:45,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that Galapagos tortoise Harriet that Charles Dowen brought

2372
01:53:45,893 --> 01:53:47,852
Speaker 3: back on the Beagle that lived for one hundred and

2373
01:53:47,853 --> 01:53:49,652
Speaker 3: seventy six years. Gave it to the gave it to

2374
01:53:49,692 --> 01:53:51,213
Speaker 3: the Queen to Yeah that's a good run.

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Speaker 4: Six years.

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Speaker 3: That's not bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: The Greenland shark I think the oldest of three hundred

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Speaker 23: and fifty or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Mark Fantastic has always chock a block on the

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Speaker 4: to get to next time. Thank you very much, and

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Speaker 4: we'll catch in about a month's time here.

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Speaker 7: We look forward to it.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, if anyone needs more answers, just jump on our

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Speaker 4: Yep, very good. Thank you that you can go check

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