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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from News Talks at B turning us into She'll

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Speaker 1: be right The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp and

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Speaker 1: Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today Call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred youth talk, said B.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzle even when it's dog, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when the

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Speaker 2: dog is too old to barn, And when you're sitting

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Speaker 2: at the table trying not to starve.

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Speaker 3: Sissor even when.

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Speaker 2: We again, even when you're therellone houses a home, even

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Speaker 2: when those goost, even when you got around from the

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Speaker 2: ones you love your most.

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Speaker 4: Scream broken paints, appeal in front the wor.

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Speaker 2: Locals vestible when they're gone and leaving them the house

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Speaker 2: all even when we'll run, even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 5: Variety are very very good morning to you. My name's

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Speaker 5: Peak off Camp, the Resident Builder, and this is the

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Speaker 5: Resident Builder. On Sunday, we can talk about well, we

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Speaker 5: can talk about the weather for a start, because that's

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Speaker 5: going to impact on lots and lots of people. It

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Speaker 5: already has made its impact. Felt, let's say up in

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Speaker 5: the far North. Certainly, if you're in Auckland, where I

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Speaker 5: happen to be broadcasting from. We've had a number of

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Speaker 5: sort of warnings and you know, alerts around what the

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Speaker 5: weather might do, what the wind might do, sensible precautions

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Speaker 5: to take. So if you've been battening down the hatches

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Speaker 5: like I did yesterday and the day before, just had

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Speaker 5: that might have blown around. Actually had a stack of

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Speaker 5: roofing iron, four or five sheets that are there to

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Speaker 5: replace the roof, and they've been sitting there around the

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Speaker 5: side of the house. So I just you know, took

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Speaker 5: the time to put a piece of timber over the

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Speaker 5: top of them, buying them together. If the high winds

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Speaker 5: were actually going to hit, then at least they wouldn't

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Speaker 5: then become missiles through the air. So if you've sort

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Speaker 5: of battened down the hatches and prepared yourself, good on

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Speaker 5: you maybe had a look around, made sure that drains

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Speaker 5: are not blocked. Possibly even I've noticed there's a bit

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Speaker 5: of a campaign at the moment to say, hey, look,

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Speaker 5: go out and have a look at the curb outside

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Speaker 5: or near your property. If there's a catch pit there

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Speaker 5: that's prone to being covered in leaves and that sort

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Speaker 5: I've got a couple of questions around that particular little project.

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Speaker 5: I like the idea of being active and being involved.

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Speaker 5: There's a couple of issues with that as well. But

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Speaker 5: not been terribly affected by it. I've driven across the

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Speaker 5: Harbor Bridge this morning, but obviously told on that there

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Speaker 5: are extensive there's about fourteen hundred houses I think that

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Speaker 5: have lost power, and as it tracks its way down

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Speaker 5: towards Napier and the we can expect some more heavy weather.

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Speaker 5: So if there are some updates, we will certainly bring

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Speaker 5: to all of us around do we actively look at

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Speaker 5: how my property, how my home is going to perform

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Speaker 5: when it's really tested. And if you've ever been part

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Speaker 5: of or seen videos of testing of windows, for example,

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Speaker 5: where they were showing this, and I've actually been on

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Speaker 5: site where part of our building consent conditions was that

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Speaker 5: once the joinery had been installed, an independent tester came

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Speaker 5: out and tested the windows, as in, blasted water at

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Speaker 5: the windows, thinking, gee, it feels like that's a lot

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Speaker 5: of water and a lot of pressure. Does that actually happen? Well,

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Speaker 5: is when it does happen. Thankfully we passed that as well,

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Speaker 5: which was good, right, So there is plenty to talk

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Speaker 5: I quite genuinely hope that you're okay, that if you've

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Speaker 5: So we need to take a reasonably cautious approach. But

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Speaker 5: help ourselves as well. We are talking all things building

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Speaker 5: fairly stacked old morning for us. This morning we have

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Speaker 5: be Jay will be around at about seven twenty five.

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Speaker 5: We'll take your text questions on painting. So any specific

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Speaker 5: questions around techniques or type of products, methodology systems. Which

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Speaker 5: We can talk about that with Jay at around seven

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Speaker 5: twenty A couple of months ago invited onto the program

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Speaker 5: as an expert, Ralph Kessel from Concrete, New Zealand, so

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Speaker 5: we talked about concrete in general. Ralph was going to

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Speaker 5: I had a number of text messages saying, oh that

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Speaker 5: was quite interesting. We should have him back. Well, he's back,

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Speaker 5: So Ralph will be back after eight o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 5: A good solid conversation around concrete. Stand by this, I've

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Speaker 5: written down a whole list of really awful puns that

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Speaker 5: I can use to chat around concrete. So Ralph will

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Speaker 5: of course we've got Red Cline pass again a small

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Speaker 5: editorial piece or a shorter editorial piece at around eight

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Speaker 5: right now, in the midst of the storm, the lines

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Speaker 5: are open to you. They're working right this part of

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Speaker 5: the world. The telephone lines are still up, so you

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Speaker 5: can call eight hundred eighty ten eighty, you can text

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Speaker 5: nine to nine two from your mobile phone, and of

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Speaker 5: course you can email me my password and it is

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell you what the password is,

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Speaker 5: but the email is. I know someone who almost did that.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure I've almost done that once too. I

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Speaker 5: think on one occasion when I said this is the number,

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Speaker 5: I started to read out or talk out speak about

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Speaker 5: my own mobile number, and I thought I didn't quite

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Speaker 5: hang on, hang on, hand it's eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

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Speaker 5: which isn't my mobile number. But anyway, well, we'll do that.

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Speaker 5: But the email is Pete atnewstalksb dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 5: So let's rip into it. If there is a question

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Speaker 5: of a building nature eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 5: the third module. So it's over two days Tuesday Wednesday

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Speaker 5: and being able to identify failure in clouding. And part

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Speaker 5: of the course reading is the Code of Practice, the

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Speaker 5: and wall Cladding Code of Practice, and I thought I'll

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Speaker 5: have a quick look at that. I had a few

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Speaker 5: didn't get through six hundred and twenty four pages yesterday,

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Speaker 5: Practice at this stage, particularly around durability. So it's a

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Speaker 4: Right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 5: Just left the mount Road, took off for work. Was

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Speaker 5: windy and wet that I've been in worse without all

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Speaker 5: a few of those sorts of texts this morning morning,

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Speaker 5: will you comment on what's happening with the storm this morning?

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Speaker 5: Certainly if there are any updates, we will keep you

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Speaker 5: up to date. So at the stage, I think the

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Speaker 5: the East coast, so that will be on its way out.

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Speaker 5: But certainly the impact of wind and tide will be

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Speaker 5: significant for some communities, hence the evacuations that have occurred.

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Speaker 5: But right now, let's talk building. So the lines are open.

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Speaker 5: Number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back in.

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Speaker 4: A mom helping you finish that five and it fixed.

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Speaker 1: You started the resident building with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent

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Speaker 1: Building Today call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talksz'd be.

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Speaker 5: Remember that loving feeling you had when you first moved

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Speaker 5: into your home, that excitement, that sense of pride will

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Speaker 5: It's time to bring that feeling back. Whether it's your bathroom,

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Speaker 5: point five percent per annum, fixed for three years. Imagine

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Speaker 5: I think everyone's hunkering down, but the text machine is working,

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Speaker 5: but your calls are better to be fair. Oh, eight

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Speaker 5: text message. Quite a lengthy one house sale monolithic cladding stigma.

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Speaker 5: So this person, I think owns a two story, five

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Speaker 5: bedroom home in the eastern suburbs of Auckland, built in

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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety three. The lower level is brick and the

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Speaker 5: upper is stucco. I've lived in the house twenty six

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Speaker 5: years with no legs or problems on the house whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: I have an inspection done by a reputable house inspection

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Speaker 5: company and have a report available with moisture readings done

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Speaker 5: shows that there is no high or out of limit readings.

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Speaker 5: I have the outside photos of a drone. It's well painted,

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Speaker 5: the upper level sealed all the gaps and cracks so

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Speaker 5: that there's no water that can enter. This work was

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Speaker 5: done recently. The walls are also solid when tapped on,

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Speaker 5: so no evidence of any leaky home problems. I've checked

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Speaker 5: the lower side of the cladding and confirmed that there

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Speaker 5: are no events so fully sealed panels. The problem is

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Speaker 5: just about everyone viewing the property. I'm just going to

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Speaker 5: get to the bottom of this text. Just about everyone

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Speaker 5: viewing the property says that they like the house, they

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Speaker 5: just don't want to buy a house with this type

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Speaker 5: of clatting. The house is in very good condition, very

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Speaker 5: frustrated with the stigma put on this type of house.

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Speaker 5: There are many many owners and homes around that area

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Speaker 5: that are well built. Can you advise please on what

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Speaker 5: press is tarred all houses of this era with a

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Speaker 5: bad reputation. Are there any positive comments on this type

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Speaker 8: I'll paint to that.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it will work out for you. Eight hundred

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Speaker 5: solid plaster. But if it's direct fixed and maybe there's flashing,

432
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Speaker 5: a flashing system around the windows, maybe there isn't you know.

433
00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:05,855
Speaker 5: It becomes a real challenge when presenting those types of

434
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Speaker 5: property to market. I guess he was reaching out to see, hey,

435
00:26:09,495 --> 00:26:12,015
Speaker 5: what's my solutions here? What are my options? A number

436
00:26:12,055 --> 00:26:14,135
Speaker 5: of people have texted her and said, well, maybe it's

437
00:26:14,215 --> 00:26:15,455
Speaker 5: just a case if you have to rip it off

438
00:26:15,495 --> 00:26:18,855
Speaker 5: into a reclad But you know, reclad rates even a

439
00:26:18,935 --> 00:26:23,335
Speaker 5: couple of years ago, with consent, scaffolding experts, et cetera,

440
00:26:23,335 --> 00:26:26,655
Speaker 5: et cetera, we're running it well over one thousand dollars

441
00:26:26,695 --> 00:26:29,535
Speaker 5: a square meter. So you know, go outside with a

442
00:26:29,575 --> 00:26:32,255
Speaker 5: tape measure, work it out, take out your windows, and

443
00:26:32,375 --> 00:26:35,055
Speaker 5: then times that by figure out your square meterage. Times

444
00:26:35,095 --> 00:26:37,295
Speaker 5: it by one thousand bucks a meter, probably add another

445
00:26:37,335 --> 00:26:41,095
Speaker 5: twenty percent to that. You can see why someone would

446
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Speaker 5: be reluctant to do that in order to sell a house. Oh,

447
00:26:44,775 --> 00:26:46,975
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a comic

448
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Speaker 5: to make or a question to ask. More importantly, the

449
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Speaker 5: lines are open for this stormy Sunday morning here at

450
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Speaker 5: New Stork. Cre b O eight hundred eighty ten eighty

451
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Speaker 5: is the number.

452
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Speaker 4: Measure twice, call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

453
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Speaker 1: The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies

454
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Speaker 1: the future of ken we Building Today News Talks be.

455
00:27:10,255 --> 00:27:12,935
Speaker 5: Your news talks. There'd be six forty two. Remember in

456
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Speaker 5: the next hour, Jay, our painting expert, will be available,

457
00:27:16,655 --> 00:27:19,535
Speaker 5: in which case if you've got any specific painting questions,

458
00:27:19,575 --> 00:27:23,095
Speaker 5: feel free to text those through. Also after eight o'clock

459
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Speaker 5: this morning, Ralph Kessel from Concrete en Z is going

460
00:27:25,895 --> 00:27:27,375
Speaker 5: to join me again. Ralph's been on the show a

461
00:27:27,415 --> 00:27:30,655
Speaker 5: couple of months ago, invited and back. I wanted to

462
00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:36,855
Speaker 5: talk about and specifically around the difference. There are changes

463
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Speaker 5: to the way in which concrete is made, most of

464
00:27:40,535 --> 00:27:45,175
Speaker 5: that relating to how cement is made, which is resulting

465
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Speaker 5: in lower carbon concrete. This is quite a big change

466
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Speaker 5: for I suppose concrete in general in terms of how

467
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Speaker 5: it's perceived as an environmentally friendly product or what impact

468
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Speaker 5: it has in terms of the carbon sequestering and carbon issues.

469
00:28:03,495 --> 00:28:05,655
Speaker 5: Right anyway, so we'll have a bit of a chat

470
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Speaker 5: with Ralph about that. But he's also open to because

471
00:28:09,255 --> 00:28:12,175
Speaker 5: he's this super knowledgeable guy that's always on the show.

472
00:28:13,855 --> 00:28:17,655
Speaker 5: If you've got any questions about concrete, and this can

473
00:28:17,735 --> 00:28:21,135
Speaker 5: be as random as anything, right, feel free to fire

474
00:28:21,175 --> 00:28:23,695
Speaker 5: them through as well, and I'll put those aside, and

475
00:28:24,175 --> 00:28:27,655
Speaker 5: if we've got time with Ralph will take any specific

476
00:28:27,815 --> 00:28:31,615
Speaker 5: concrete questions. So you know, I'm tempted to ask him

477
00:28:31,615 --> 00:28:35,095
Speaker 5: as to why the concrete and the parthenon and Rome

478
00:28:35,295 --> 00:28:39,615
Speaker 5: still works right because obviously the Romans figured out how

479
00:28:39,655 --> 00:28:42,575
Speaker 5: to make concrete and it's lasted for a long time,

480
00:28:43,295 --> 00:28:47,495
Speaker 5: as opposed to the driveway that we discussed last week

481
00:28:47,535 --> 00:28:50,135
Speaker 5: on the show, where someone had had a contract around

482
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Speaker 5: who then applied water blasting to the driveway and pitted

483
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Speaker 5: the surface. See, I think Roman concrete would probably do

484
00:28:58,175 --> 00:29:03,135
Speaker 5: better than that particular driveway did. Anyway, Ralph will be

485
00:29:03,215 --> 00:29:05,855
Speaker 5: with us after eight o'clock. Remember Jay our painting expert

486
00:29:05,935 --> 00:29:09,415
Speaker 5: from around seven twenty five this morning, and good morning

487
00:29:09,455 --> 00:29:09,975
Speaker 5: to UKK.

488
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Speaker 6: How are you, yeah, Good morning Peter.

489
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Speaker 10: I just need a bit of advice you may you

490
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Speaker 10: may not. So I live in a two bedroom flex

491
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Speaker 10: a comber Aura place and it's quite quite a big

492
00:29:22,935 --> 00:29:25,975
Speaker 10: section g roomed to park my car down the back

493
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Speaker 10: and all that. We've got one small shed that's got

494
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Speaker 10: my more Marik.

495
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Speaker 3: So my Christian is on, do you ditch my car?

496
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Speaker 3: I've had nothing my car. I don't really need it.

497
00:29:39,135 --> 00:29:42,575
Speaker 3: Now I'm getting the mobility stood yes, So I can't

498
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Speaker 3: get on the side obviously, and it won't fit them

499
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Speaker 3: the shed. So I'm not sure of the legalities of

500
00:29:51,255 --> 00:29:54,295
Speaker 3: this when you build a lean to, so do I

501
00:29:54,335 --> 00:29:56,855
Speaker 3: get a builder to come and build it? So I

502
00:29:56,935 --> 00:30:00,975
Speaker 3: want to have the mobility scooter out of the weather,

503
00:30:01,255 --> 00:30:04,655
Speaker 3: of course, backed up against the house so I can

504
00:30:04,775 --> 00:30:09,735
Speaker 3: charge yep? So can you bot tents for them?

505
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Speaker 9: How do Yeah?

506
00:30:12,495 --> 00:30:18,455
Speaker 5: That's a really good I guess. Well, given your specific situation,

507
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Speaker 5: which is, as you've already said, you're in a kind

508
00:30:21,615 --> 00:30:26,175
Speaker 5: of order house and this is a change in circumstance

509
00:30:26,375 --> 00:30:29,575
Speaker 5: for you, I would have thought that you would go

510
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Speaker 5: back to the property managers, to the team at KO

511
00:30:34,095 --> 00:30:37,415
Speaker 5: that administer the property and go, hey, look, this is

512
00:30:37,495 --> 00:30:42,135
Speaker 5: now my circumstance. Are you able to provide some assistance?

513
00:30:42,175 --> 00:30:45,215
Speaker 5: Now it might be KO who can provide the assistance

514
00:30:45,375 --> 00:30:48,375
Speaker 5: it may well be that again because of your change

515
00:30:48,415 --> 00:30:52,175
Speaker 5: in circumstance, you can go not necessarily through acc but

516
00:30:52,255 --> 00:30:55,335
Speaker 5: it might be age concern or wins and so on

517
00:30:55,535 --> 00:30:59,415
Speaker 5: and get some assistance. So I know, we've had a

518
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Speaker 5: number of discussions over the years with people who find

519
00:31:03,055 --> 00:31:05,535
Speaker 5: that it's more difficult to move around and they might

520
00:31:05,615 --> 00:31:08,495
Speaker 5: need a ramp, they might need an extra handrail, they

521
00:31:08,615 --> 00:31:12,495
Speaker 5: might need to have the shower changed, and so on.

522
00:31:13,495 --> 00:31:15,135
Speaker 5: Surely you can get support for this.

523
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Speaker 3: I've gotta be honest, No, no, no, I'm not disabled.

524
00:31:19,255 --> 00:31:24,815
Speaker 11: No choice, You're okay, all right, I'm with you, and

525
00:31:24,975 --> 00:31:30,975
Speaker 11: I'm going to get on. Ye I don't need a car,

526
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Speaker 11: okay all.

527
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Speaker 10: And a nuisance to buddy pack.

528
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Speaker 5: Yeah sure, yeah, well I get it, absolutely okay in

529
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Speaker 5: that sense. But there would still be in terms of,

530
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Speaker 5: you know, if you wanted to make any significant changes

531
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Speaker 5: to the house, in terms of like building a lean

532
00:31:50,055 --> 00:31:52,535
Speaker 5: to for example, you'd need to go back to KO,

533
00:31:52,575 --> 00:31:55,375
Speaker 5: wouldn't you, just like any tenant would to any landlord.

534
00:31:57,455 --> 00:32:03,095
Speaker 5: I suppose you could something that's quite straight You could

535
00:32:03,175 --> 00:32:04,255
Speaker 5: just get a gazebo.

536
00:32:05,255 --> 00:32:08,615
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you know what I mean that that would.

537
00:32:08,375 --> 00:32:11,215
Speaker 5: Be a really straightforward solution, or if you wanted someone

538
00:32:11,295 --> 00:32:15,095
Speaker 5: to come and do a lean to again, I think

539
00:32:15,495 --> 00:32:17,615
Speaker 5: you know, as a as a tenant to a landlord,

540
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Speaker 5: regardless of who the landlord is, you'd need to talk

541
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Speaker 5: about that with the landlord, with the property owner and say, look,

542
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Speaker 5: is it okay to establish a temporary or well it'll

543
00:32:28,615 --> 00:32:31,335
Speaker 5: be a reasonably permanent structure. I mean, what would be

544
00:32:31,415 --> 00:32:34,135
Speaker 5: really helpful for you would be to have an outdoor

545
00:32:34,215 --> 00:32:37,335
Speaker 5: power point, for example, if it was in a little

546
00:32:37,335 --> 00:32:39,495
Speaker 5: bit of a sheltered area, to have a PowerPoint that

547
00:32:39,575 --> 00:32:42,775
Speaker 5: you could plug in the lead for the charging rather

548
00:32:42,935 --> 00:32:45,695
Speaker 5: than you know, running a cord out through the window

549
00:32:45,735 --> 00:32:48,455
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. Those sorts of things would

550
00:32:48,455 --> 00:32:53,455
Speaker 5: make it a lot easier. And really one of the.

551
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Speaker 8: One was to do was.

552
00:32:56,455 --> 00:32:59,375
Speaker 3: To charge sure, well it's outside, out of the weather,

553
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Speaker 3: and the other thing is a security thing.

554
00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:08,095
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair enough. Maybe I wonder whether the other option

555
00:33:08,295 --> 00:33:10,735
Speaker 5: is to look at getting you know, a kit's said

556
00:33:10,775 --> 00:33:13,375
Speaker 5: shed right that you could put up. If it's a

557
00:33:13,935 --> 00:33:16,095
Speaker 5: I don't know, two and a half by two meter shed,

558
00:33:16,495 --> 00:33:19,335
Speaker 5: that would be enough room as long as the doors

559
00:33:19,415 --> 00:33:23,055
Speaker 5: were wide enough that you could drive in park it.

560
00:33:23,295 --> 00:33:26,975
Speaker 5: You could get a temporary PowerPoint put there by registered

561
00:33:27,095 --> 00:33:30,535
Speaker 5: electrician and then it's under cover. Slide the doors or

562
00:33:30,575 --> 00:33:33,255
Speaker 5: close the door lockable, and there's a little bit of

563
00:33:33,295 --> 00:33:37,015
Speaker 5: security as well, so that's probably a reasonably straightforward solution

564
00:33:37,135 --> 00:33:40,375
Speaker 5: as well. As you know, there's some quite good quality sheds.

565
00:33:40,375 --> 00:33:43,335
Speaker 5: I've seen some nifty little ones with a small roller

566
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Speaker 5: door on them, like a meter and a half wide

567
00:33:46,975 --> 00:33:51,895
Speaker 5: or twelve hundred wide roller door with a because what

568
00:33:52,055 --> 00:33:54,415
Speaker 5: you'd want is something that's easy for you to drive in,

569
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Speaker 5: so you'd want it sitting on the ground level and

570
00:33:57,095 --> 00:34:01,215
Speaker 5: then you can just drive straight into it. So might

571
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Speaker 5: be the way.

572
00:34:03,895 --> 00:34:08,375
Speaker 10: From anyone else, absolutely, and the mobility students, it's what

573
00:34:08,535 --> 00:34:09,015
Speaker 10: they've done.

574
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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, all the best UKK, take care, all

575
00:34:14,375 --> 00:34:18,215
Speaker 5: the best, bye bye. Now just in general, because I

576
00:34:18,335 --> 00:34:19,815
Speaker 5: get a little note that says this is what we

577
00:34:19,895 --> 00:34:24,095
Speaker 5: want to talk about on the text. There's a tremendous

578
00:34:24,815 --> 00:34:30,935
Speaker 5: organization called Life Mark. So if you're interested in basically

579
00:34:31,135 --> 00:34:35,855
Speaker 5: designing a building that allows you to stay there throughout

580
00:34:35,975 --> 00:34:39,335
Speaker 5: your life, there are some really key principles and ideas.

581
00:34:39,575 --> 00:34:42,335
Speaker 5: So if you're interested in this, either for yourself or

582
00:34:42,615 --> 00:34:48,095
Speaker 5: for you know, family members and so on, it's very

583
00:34:48,415 --> 00:34:51,295
Speaker 5: very good life mark. It's called so Lifemark dot co

584
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Speaker 5: dot Nz. I've been in a couple of houses where

585
00:34:54,655 --> 00:34:57,775
Speaker 5: they've used their design principles. It's simple things like going,

586
00:34:58,895 --> 00:35:01,255
Speaker 5: I don't know why we have a particular height that

587
00:35:01,335 --> 00:35:03,855
Speaker 5: we put powerpoints right, but typically there are about three

588
00:35:03,975 --> 00:35:06,215
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty millimeters from the ground something like that,

589
00:35:06,695 --> 00:35:09,415
Speaker 5: and all New Zealand houses put them all at that height.

590
00:35:10,015 --> 00:35:13,455
Speaker 5: That makes sense if you're reasonably able and able to

591
00:35:13,575 --> 00:35:16,055
Speaker 5: bend down to either plug things and turn switches on

592
00:35:16,175 --> 00:35:18,175
Speaker 5: and off and that sort of thing. But imagine if

593
00:35:18,255 --> 00:35:20,495
Speaker 5: in a house you actually had those powerpoints at five

594
00:35:20,615 --> 00:35:22,775
Speaker 5: hundred millimeters off the ground, so it's not as far

595
00:35:22,935 --> 00:35:27,295
Speaker 5: to bend. Little things like that. Making all doorways at

596
00:35:27,495 --> 00:35:31,255
Speaker 5: least seven sixty or eight ten wide rather than narrow,

597
00:35:31,415 --> 00:35:37,175
Speaker 5: which makes access easier. Level entry thresholds at and entrance

598
00:35:37,255 --> 00:35:39,055
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be every single door in the house,

599
00:35:39,095 --> 00:35:41,295
Speaker 5: but at least one of them that allows for an

600
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Speaker 5: easy transition from inside to outside. So all of those

601
00:35:43,935 --> 00:35:46,935
Speaker 5: sorts of principles and many many, many more are all

602
00:35:47,015 --> 00:35:51,135
Speaker 5: on that lifemark dot co dot nz website. It's awesome, Carol,

603
00:35:51,215 --> 00:35:52,175
Speaker 5: A very good morning to you.

604
00:35:52,415 --> 00:35:55,135
Speaker 12: Oh, good morning to you, Peter. I'm ringing about a

605
00:35:55,255 --> 00:35:59,095
Speaker 12: two story rental property with the word above concrete block below,

606
00:35:59,695 --> 00:36:03,495
Speaker 12: and I have an upstairs concrete deck covered in butautinol.

607
00:36:03,775 --> 00:36:06,295
Speaker 12: But after many years it's of course it's broken down,

608
00:36:07,015 --> 00:36:11,855
Speaker 12: so the and fleaking into the two flats below, leaking

609
00:36:11,975 --> 00:36:17,215
Speaker 12: through their ceilings. Yes, So the contractor it has looked

610
00:36:17,255 --> 00:36:21,215
Speaker 12: at it has suggested that, of course I recover in

611
00:36:21,735 --> 00:36:28,135
Speaker 12: the decking membrane or use a paint sealant. And that's

612
00:36:28,295 --> 00:36:32,495
Speaker 12: where I was concerned, because because it's rentally said, well,

613
00:36:32,575 --> 00:36:35,855
Speaker 12: the paint sealant would may be the best way to go,

614
00:36:36,935 --> 00:36:39,975
Speaker 12: but I just I had doubts about that whether that.

615
00:36:40,055 --> 00:36:44,855
Speaker 5: Would be yeah, and I probably wouldn't. It's probably not

616
00:36:44,975 --> 00:36:47,855
Speaker 5: helpful to describe the solution as a paint sealant. It's

617
00:36:48,175 --> 00:36:51,335
Speaker 5: more like a membrane, a brushable membrane that you can

618
00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:55,815
Speaker 5: apply over the top, so it has a much thicker

619
00:36:55,935 --> 00:37:01,615
Speaker 5: consistency than paint wood, and it's its own waterproofing solution. Effectively,

620
00:37:01,695 --> 00:37:05,855
Speaker 5: what you're doing is that becomes your waterproof solution applied

621
00:37:05,935 --> 00:37:09,615
Speaker 5: over the top of the earlier substrate, which now happens

622
00:37:09,615 --> 00:37:11,295
Speaker 5: to the beautiful of course, and so on.

623
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Speaker 9: You know.

624
00:37:12,495 --> 00:37:16,335
Speaker 5: The challenge sometimes with those types of repairs is you

625
00:37:16,455 --> 00:37:19,615
Speaker 5: do have to be confidence that there is some integrity

626
00:37:19,815 --> 00:37:25,295
Speaker 5: to the substrate below it. So depending on when the

627
00:37:25,335 --> 00:37:27,255
Speaker 5: house was built on time.

628
00:37:27,775 --> 00:37:30,615
Speaker 12: Well we'll say nineteen seventy four.

629
00:37:30,975 --> 00:37:32,215
Speaker 5: Ah, okay, all right, so.

630
00:37:33,775 --> 00:37:37,055
Speaker 12: An older building, you know, like for example, even older

631
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Speaker 12: than that.

632
00:37:37,975 --> 00:37:41,175
Speaker 5: Yeah, if for example, it'll be nailed down, right, because

633
00:37:41,175 --> 00:37:45,055
Speaker 5: we didn't typically screw down substrates at that time. I

634
00:37:45,175 --> 00:37:47,935
Speaker 5: wasn't building at that time, but my experience would tell

635
00:37:47,975 --> 00:37:51,655
Speaker 5: me that they we didn't or they didn't. So one

636
00:37:51,695 --> 00:37:54,495
Speaker 5: of the things that I've seen so for me been

637
00:37:55,095 --> 00:37:56,855
Speaker 5: the membrane.

638
00:37:56,495 --> 00:37:59,575
Speaker 12: The present beautin all that went down some years.

639
00:37:59,375 --> 00:38:04,055
Speaker 5: After Again, right, okay, built, I guess The summary is

640
00:38:04,135 --> 00:38:10,175
Speaker 5: that if that members and the membranes below it are unstable,

641
00:38:10,415 --> 00:38:13,255
Speaker 5: then applying a coating to the top is not a

642
00:38:13,335 --> 00:38:16,175
Speaker 5: great solution because you're not addressing the actual issue, which

643
00:38:16,295 --> 00:38:19,735
Speaker 5: is a decay or a decline or a failure of

644
00:38:19,815 --> 00:38:24,175
Speaker 5: those membranes. So if for example, the substrate is sound,

645
00:38:24,695 --> 00:38:27,735
Speaker 5: if the by and large the butte nyl has stayed

646
00:38:28,175 --> 00:38:32,615
Speaker 5: reasonably well adhered to it and is firm, it doesn't

647
00:38:32,655 --> 00:38:34,895
Speaker 5: have lots of bubbles in it. You don't see I mean,

648
00:38:34,895 --> 00:38:38,575
Speaker 5: I've seen it where fixings I nails have worked their

649
00:38:38,655 --> 00:38:42,775
Speaker 5: way out of the substrate and are pushing up through

650
00:38:43,335 --> 00:38:46,695
Speaker 5: in this instance butteanyl and in some cases through the butteannyl. Right,

651
00:38:47,055 --> 00:38:49,055
Speaker 5: So if it's one nail, it'll be more nails.

652
00:38:49,095 --> 00:38:52,055
Speaker 12: So that's nothing to be nailed. It just appears to.

653
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Speaker 13: Be you know, glue.

654
00:38:54,575 --> 00:38:57,135
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know they won't nail the butteanole down to

655
00:38:57,735 --> 00:39:01,455
Speaker 5: what's below. It is that below? It is that a

656
00:39:01,535 --> 00:39:02,975
Speaker 5: concrete deck? Is that true?

657
00:39:03,295 --> 00:39:07,175
Speaker 12: Yes, concrete deck, the long deck too, it's about forty yeah.

658
00:39:07,295 --> 00:39:12,735
Speaker 5: Sure. I wonder in that instance whether actually removing the butteanole,

659
00:39:12,855 --> 00:39:17,735
Speaker 5: completely cleaning the substraight, cleaning the concrete then and then

660
00:39:17,815 --> 00:39:22,215
Speaker 5: applying a waterproof membrane over that that's traffickable because you're

661
00:39:22,215 --> 00:39:23,175
Speaker 5: going to walk on it, aren't you?

662
00:39:23,975 --> 00:39:28,375
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, yes, they said the removal of existing beautyol

663
00:39:28,495 --> 00:39:31,495
Speaker 12: and grind and prep of substrate, okay.

664
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Speaker 5: And the other thing then is check out you know

665
00:39:34,175 --> 00:39:38,615
Speaker 5: the product, the warranties, the guarantees, and will the contractor

666
00:39:38,735 --> 00:39:42,095
Speaker 5: give you a guarantee that it will become watertight. And

667
00:39:42,175 --> 00:39:45,895
Speaker 5: if they do, and they're a reputable contractor and you

668
00:39:45,935 --> 00:39:48,095
Speaker 5: think they're going to be around and the product that

669
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Speaker 5: they're using has got a good reputation, then it's probably

670
00:39:50,735 --> 00:39:51,295
Speaker 5: a good solution.

671
00:39:52,295 --> 00:39:54,815
Speaker 12: Well, this was a company actually that you recommended a

672
00:39:54,855 --> 00:39:58,575
Speaker 12: couple of years ago, just with a five year workmanship warranty.

673
00:39:59,055 --> 00:40:02,535
Speaker 5: Will that's probably reasonable. I mean, it would be nice

674
00:40:02,535 --> 00:40:05,575
Speaker 5: if it was longer, but that's not unreasonable in given

675
00:40:05,615 --> 00:40:09,215
Speaker 5: that they're having to do remedial work, right, Yes, but.

676
00:40:09,295 --> 00:40:12,295
Speaker 12: You really feel it the major part is the substrate.

677
00:40:12,615 --> 00:40:15,855
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, So you know, if they pull off the

678
00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:19,095
Speaker 5: butteinole expose the concrete, they might be able to seal

679
00:40:19,295 --> 00:40:22,935
Speaker 5: and treat any cracks. Make sure that the upstand is okay,

680
00:40:23,775 --> 00:40:27,695
Speaker 5: because it's that junction between the vertical surfaces and the

681
00:40:27,735 --> 00:40:30,215
Speaker 5: horizontal ones that you want to make sure that you're

682
00:40:30,255 --> 00:40:34,215
Speaker 5: getting waterproofing through there to ensure that you don't get

683
00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:37,535
Speaker 5: any You know, you can paint all the flat surfaces,

684
00:40:37,575 --> 00:40:41,695
Speaker 5: but if the wind drives it over those surfaces onto

685
00:40:41,735 --> 00:40:44,975
Speaker 5: a vertical surface and you get water in there, that's

686
00:40:44,975 --> 00:40:48,775
Speaker 5: another issue. But it sounds like they're pretty thorough and

687
00:40:49,215 --> 00:40:50,815
Speaker 5: know what they're talking about. And I think if it's

688
00:40:50,855 --> 00:40:52,015
Speaker 5: a solid substrate, we're good.

689
00:40:53,175 --> 00:40:56,935
Speaker 12: But you do think you would think the membrane over

690
00:40:57,055 --> 00:41:03,335
Speaker 12: the sealant that their membrane sealent solution that they're talking about,

691
00:41:04,175 --> 00:41:07,615
Speaker 12: you feel that would be superior respective of being a

692
00:41:07,695 --> 00:41:08,495
Speaker 12: mental property.

693
00:41:08,935 --> 00:41:11,295
Speaker 5: I think I think it will give you the durability

694
00:41:11,335 --> 00:41:13,295
Speaker 5: that you need and it should be. It's a it

695
00:41:13,455 --> 00:41:16,615
Speaker 5: seems like a straightforward solution to sorting out the moisture

696
00:41:16,655 --> 00:41:19,455
Speaker 5: and gress issue. So I've got to run for the news, Carol,

697
00:41:19,495 --> 00:41:22,135
Speaker 5: but I think you're on the right track. It's it's

698
00:41:22,255 --> 00:41:26,335
Speaker 5: really about checking out the warranties that'll give you some certainty.

699
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Speaker 1: Back after the break, bexing what they forgot to mention

700
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Speaker 1: on that YouTube video, The resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp

701
00:41:33,855 --> 00:41:38,015
Speaker 1: and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today.

702
00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:41,895
Speaker 4: Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News dogsb.

703
00:41:42,135 --> 00:41:45,255
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the program. It is just on six

704
00:41:45,375 --> 00:41:48,495
Speaker 5: and a half minutes after seven on what's been a

705
00:41:48,575 --> 00:41:53,255
Speaker 5: fairly well reasonably stormy morning here in Auckland. Certainly if

706
00:41:53,335 --> 00:41:57,015
Speaker 5: you're in the far North, if you're around Tarronger and

707
00:41:57,175 --> 00:41:59,775
Speaker 5: later on in the Hawks Bay as well, we can

708
00:41:59,855 --> 00:42:03,895
Speaker 5: expect some fairly inclement weather conditions as well with a

709
00:42:03,935 --> 00:42:07,695
Speaker 5: whole bunch of advisories. So hopefully PEE have prepared themselves

710
00:42:07,855 --> 00:42:09,815
Speaker 5: for this, and I mean this is one of those

711
00:42:09,855 --> 00:42:12,135
Speaker 5: things around I mentioned at the beginning of the show.

712
00:42:14,055 --> 00:42:16,495
Speaker 5: You know, there is a reason that we do testing

713
00:42:16,735 --> 00:42:20,975
Speaker 5: for products, particularly for exterior cladding products, and in order

714
00:42:21,055 --> 00:42:23,375
Speaker 5: for them to either get a brand's appraisal or code

715
00:42:23,455 --> 00:42:26,855
Speaker 5: mark and be acceptable for use in terms of the

716
00:42:26,895 --> 00:42:30,295
Speaker 5: New Zealand building Code, you have to prove their durability.

717
00:42:30,335 --> 00:42:33,095
Speaker 5: And it's quite fascinating. I was watching one at a

718
00:42:33,175 --> 00:42:37,175
Speaker 5: seminar the other day where in a testing environments or

719
00:42:37,175 --> 00:42:41,255
Speaker 5: in a laboratory test they're able to build a wall,

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Speaker 5: for example, including things like a flashing adjunction of a

721
00:42:45,375 --> 00:42:48,855
Speaker 5: right angle or where a window was installed, for example,

722
00:42:49,295 --> 00:42:52,575
Speaker 5: and then see what happens when you apply storm like

723
00:42:52,775 --> 00:42:57,895
Speaker 5: conditions to that replica that wall that's been built in

724
00:42:57,935 --> 00:43:01,695
Speaker 5: a test lab. And then it's typically in terms of

725
00:43:01,855 --> 00:43:06,535
Speaker 5: how buildings perform during these adverse weather events, it's a

726
00:43:06,615 --> 00:43:09,695
Speaker 5: combination of two things. I'm going to sneeze, you can

727
00:43:10,135 --> 00:43:13,855
Speaker 5: it's coming. If I suddenly it might have gone anyway,

728
00:43:15,255 --> 00:43:19,295
Speaker 5: Maybe testing cladding makes me sneeze. Anyway, it was quite

729
00:43:19,335 --> 00:43:23,175
Speaker 5: fascinating to watch one of these tests being undertaken and

730
00:43:23,255 --> 00:43:27,535
Speaker 5: it was a combination of variation and air pressure. So

731
00:43:27,935 --> 00:43:30,495
Speaker 5: what tends to happen in these extreme weather events is

732
00:43:30,535 --> 00:43:33,575
Speaker 5: you've got very low pressure outside and because inside typically

733
00:43:33,615 --> 00:43:36,375
Speaker 5: as a higher pressure, everything wants to balance and so

734
00:43:36,575 --> 00:43:39,975
Speaker 5: moisture will be drawn through the building envelope by that

735
00:43:40,215 --> 00:43:43,135
Speaker 5: variation and pressure. So you've got this pressure difference which

736
00:43:43,175 --> 00:43:46,975
Speaker 5: is sucking moisture into the building, and then the combination

737
00:43:47,055 --> 00:43:50,175
Speaker 5: of just a lot of water on the outside. And

738
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Speaker 5: it's fascinating to see how different systems perform. And then

739
00:43:54,175 --> 00:43:56,415
Speaker 5: I mentioned a couple of years ago on a building

740
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Speaker 5: that required on site testing of the joinery installation team

741
00:44:01,775 --> 00:44:04,615
Speaker 5: came along. They have a special tool, basically a high

742
00:44:04,615 --> 00:44:07,455
Speaker 5: pressure nozzle. They have to stay and a certain distance

743
00:44:07,495 --> 00:44:11,855
Speaker 5: away from the window and spray a certain volume of

744
00:44:11,975 --> 00:44:15,895
Speaker 5: water as elits per second at the joinery for a

745
00:44:16,055 --> 00:44:18,815
Speaker 5: specified amount of time. And then you're standing on the

746
00:44:18,895 --> 00:44:21,375
Speaker 5: inside as the person that was responsible for putting the

747
00:44:21,415 --> 00:44:23,535
Speaker 5: windows in along with the rest of the team. We're

748
00:44:23,535 --> 00:44:26,015
Speaker 5: looking at that going gee, that's a lot of water.

749
00:44:26,175 --> 00:44:27,855
Speaker 5: I think I've still got a video of it somewhere

750
00:44:27,975 --> 00:44:30,495
Speaker 5: on the phone. It's a scary old thing to be

751
00:44:30,575 --> 00:44:32,695
Speaker 5: part of, and hey, look, you feel pretty good when

752
00:44:32,735 --> 00:44:36,535
Speaker 5: it passes, and it did in this instance one or

753
00:44:36,575 --> 00:44:38,255
Speaker 5: two little areas that we had to gone tidy up,

754
00:44:38,335 --> 00:44:41,255
Speaker 5: but generally it was a pass. I'm sure a lot

755
00:44:41,295 --> 00:44:43,815
Speaker 5: of these things fail. And I've was chanting with someone

756
00:44:44,135 --> 00:44:47,815
Speaker 5: who's involved in sort of construction management. You know, they've

757
00:44:47,855 --> 00:44:50,575
Speaker 5: been to a site where Jewnery has been installed and

758
00:44:51,655 --> 00:44:54,415
Speaker 5: they had about a fifty percent failure rate at the testing.

759
00:44:55,815 --> 00:44:59,975
Speaker 5: So they addressed all of that. But it's good that

760
00:45:00,095 --> 00:45:02,815
Speaker 5: the testing happens. Failure is not great, but at least

761
00:45:02,815 --> 00:45:04,815
Speaker 5: the testing has happen so that you know it's not

762
00:45:04,855 --> 00:45:07,095
Speaker 5: going to be a problem ten twenty thirty years down

763
00:45:07,135 --> 00:45:09,775
Speaker 5: the track. We've talked a bit about durability on the show.

764
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Speaker 5: This morning, we can talk all things building in construction. Jay,

765
00:45:13,535 --> 00:45:16,495
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine, will be along in about

766
00:45:16,495 --> 00:45:19,575
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes or so, and then after the eight o'clock news,

767
00:45:19,655 --> 00:45:21,975
Speaker 5: Ralph Kessel, who joined us on the show a couple

768
00:45:22,055 --> 00:45:26,015
Speaker 5: of months ago from Construction from Concrete en Z. We

769
00:45:26,135 --> 00:45:28,095
Speaker 5: can have a bit of a chat about concrete in general.

770
00:45:28,335 --> 00:45:32,575
Speaker 5: If you've got any specific concrete questions, feel free to

771
00:45:32,695 --> 00:45:34,455
Speaker 5: text those through and I'll put them aside for Ralph

772
00:45:35,175 --> 00:45:37,535
Speaker 5: and if and then we're also going to be talking

773
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Speaker 5: about I suppose changes in the way that concrete has made,

774
00:45:41,175 --> 00:45:43,415
Speaker 5: so I'll get Ralph to explain it. But concrete is

775
00:45:43,455 --> 00:45:48,255
Speaker 5: basically an aggregate water and cement, and the aggregate might

776
00:45:48,335 --> 00:45:50,735
Speaker 5: be set a bit of sand and some stone, some

777
00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:55,895
Speaker 5: heavy metal, but the way in which that is put

778
00:45:55,975 --> 00:45:58,295
Speaker 5: together now is different than it used to be, and

779
00:45:58,415 --> 00:46:01,135
Speaker 5: that makes quite a big difference in terms of its carbon.

780
00:46:01,455 --> 00:46:03,975
Speaker 5: So we'll talk about that with Ralph after eight o'clock

781
00:46:04,055 --> 00:46:07,535
Speaker 5: and Rood from around eight footy five. So we're just

782
00:46:07,575 --> 00:46:09,535
Speaker 5: going to be talking about composts this morning, actually on

783
00:46:09,655 --> 00:46:12,975
Speaker 5: the program from around eight forty five, So no question

784
00:46:13,095 --> 00:46:15,295
Speaker 5: and answer through it this morning. Oh eight hundred and

785
00:46:15,335 --> 00:46:18,015
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty the number to call. James A very

786
00:46:18,055 --> 00:46:18,615
Speaker 5: good morning to you.

787
00:46:19,855 --> 00:46:21,015
Speaker 6: Oh good morning.

788
00:46:23,895 --> 00:46:29,495
Speaker 9: Ah. You've acually told me everything I wanted to ask

789
00:46:29,535 --> 00:46:29,975
Speaker 9: you about.

790
00:46:30,535 --> 00:46:31,655
Speaker 13: Just where you just talk.

791
00:46:32,695 --> 00:46:34,335
Speaker 9: He just explained everything we.

792
00:46:34,655 --> 00:46:40,415
Speaker 5: Wanted right, So thank you. Question James, it was about I.

793
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Speaker 14: Was quite about everything. Actually, I just wanted to know

794
00:46:43,295 --> 00:46:47,975
Speaker 14: about kevity doors and and then prying them into the

795
00:46:48,095 --> 00:46:53,095
Speaker 14: house and using them was in the house instead of

796
00:46:53,295 --> 00:46:57,335
Speaker 14: just having a door that opens and closes. And what

797
00:46:57,575 --> 00:47:02,935
Speaker 14: was your sort about having a cavity door? But what

798
00:47:03,175 --> 00:47:06,975
Speaker 14: you explained just before it was fantastic.

799
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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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00:47:09,255 --> 00:47:11,735
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that there was actually about cavity doors,

801
00:47:11,735 --> 00:47:14,815
Speaker 5: but I mean, look, they're they're useful. We you don't

802
00:47:14,935 --> 00:47:17,895
Speaker 5: have an option to have the door swinging because you're

803
00:47:17,975 --> 00:47:20,975
Speaker 5: you're a bit tight on space, so things like sometimes

804
00:47:21,775 --> 00:47:25,135
Speaker 5: you know, into an en suite in a master bedroom

805
00:47:25,335 --> 00:47:27,895
Speaker 5: or into a walk and wardrobe, that sort of thing

806
00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:32,575
Speaker 5: that that's where they're typically used. Maybe a downstairs toilet

807
00:47:33,055 --> 00:47:35,535
Speaker 5: that you don't have space to open the door inwards

808
00:47:35,575 --> 00:47:38,855
Speaker 5: into the toilet, but you don't want it swinging outwards either,

809
00:47:39,255 --> 00:47:42,135
Speaker 5: those sorts of things. The only I suppose the only

810
00:47:42,255 --> 00:47:44,695
Speaker 5: challenge with them sometimes is if they happen to be

811
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Speaker 5: in a load bearing wall, you need to install, you know,

812
00:47:48,255 --> 00:47:51,495
Speaker 5: a larger lintel because of course the opening that you need.

813
00:47:51,935 --> 00:47:54,295
Speaker 13: To carry the way that's exactly the right.

814
00:47:56,855 --> 00:48:00,615
Speaker 9: Also just for another cook thing, what's your was your

815
00:48:01,655 --> 00:48:06,895
Speaker 9: thought one? And then you know, you know the old

816
00:48:07,015 --> 00:48:10,695
Speaker 9: shower dome. You know, what's your idea on there? And

817
00:48:11,135 --> 00:48:11,655
Speaker 9: watched your.

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Speaker 13: Sort on them.

819
00:48:12,295 --> 00:48:12,495
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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00:48:12,535 --> 00:48:15,375
Speaker 5: Look, I mean every time we talk about moisture in

821
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Speaker 5: a bathroom, I get lots and lots of texts from

822
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Speaker 5: people saying I've got a shower dome. It works really well.

823
00:48:21,575 --> 00:48:24,455
Speaker 5: And you know you can't deny that, right. So I

824
00:48:24,575 --> 00:48:28,775
Speaker 5: think because it's encapsulating that area that you're creating moisture

825
00:48:30,095 --> 00:48:33,975
Speaker 5: and humidity in a room, that's fine. Yeah, what I

826
00:48:34,015 --> 00:48:37,535
Speaker 5: suppose it doesn't do is deal with the rest of

827
00:48:37,655 --> 00:48:41,215
Speaker 5: the moisture in that bathroom space. So turning on a

828
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Speaker 5: hot tap, turning on a shower, turning on a bath

829
00:48:43,975 --> 00:48:48,655
Speaker 5: hot tap, the moisture that's there in your towel, right,

830
00:48:48,775 --> 00:48:51,615
Speaker 5: So you know, when you hang a towel up like

831
00:48:52,495 --> 00:48:55,055
Speaker 5: I did this morning at five o'clock, jumped in the shower,

832
00:48:55,135 --> 00:48:58,575
Speaker 5: quickly dried myself off the towel, which weighed a certain

833
00:48:58,615 --> 00:49:01,135
Speaker 5: amount when I grabbed it off the heated towel rail

834
00:49:01,655 --> 00:49:05,495
Speaker 5: weighs more went on because it's absorbed, it's soaked up

835
00:49:05,495 --> 00:49:08,575
Speaker 5: the moisture, right, So that moisture has to be released

836
00:49:08,695 --> 00:49:11,855
Speaker 5: in terms of drying. So the question is what takes

837
00:49:11,895 --> 00:49:14,015
Speaker 5: away that moisture. So I think you've got to look.

838
00:49:14,175 --> 00:49:16,695
Speaker 5: I always look at the whole bathroom and go, how

839
00:49:16,775 --> 00:49:20,615
Speaker 5: are you controlling dealing with moisture in that space? That's

840
00:49:20,615 --> 00:49:24,495
Speaker 5: would be my issue. Appreciate your comments and your questions. James,

841
00:49:24,615 --> 00:49:27,175
Speaker 5: have a great day. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

842
00:49:27,215 --> 00:49:28,855
Speaker 5: the number to call. A couple of texts coming in

843
00:49:29,015 --> 00:49:32,535
Speaker 5: for Ralph who'll be joining us. This is around concrete

844
00:49:32,695 --> 00:49:36,335
Speaker 5: after eight o'clock. If you've got any specific painting questions,

845
00:49:36,735 --> 00:49:38,735
Speaker 5: give us a call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

846
00:49:38,815 --> 00:49:40,735
Speaker 5: is the number. Lucy, Good morning to you.

847
00:49:42,015 --> 00:49:43,495
Speaker 6: Hi there, how are you very well?

848
00:49:43,575 --> 00:49:45,855
Speaker 5: Thank you and yourself go to thank you.

849
00:49:46,975 --> 00:49:47,655
Speaker 6: So I've got a.

850
00:49:47,695 --> 00:49:51,215
Speaker 15: Question related to drain it. So I've got two down

851
00:49:51,335 --> 00:49:54,775
Speaker 15: pipes at the center of my property and a short

852
00:49:54,895 --> 00:49:58,455
Speaker 15: states concrete drive. One of the down pipes goes straight

853
00:49:58,535 --> 00:50:01,935
Speaker 15: into the ground. When it was constructured in nineteen seventy

854
00:50:03,175 --> 00:50:06,495
Speaker 15: that obviously wasn't connected to a storm water outlet. The

855
00:50:06,655 --> 00:50:11,055
Speaker 15: other side is connected to something. So I've had drainage

856
00:50:11,055 --> 00:50:14,615
Speaker 15: advice to connect them both to a storm water outlet,

857
00:50:15,255 --> 00:50:18,175
Speaker 15: but it's going to require cutting the concrete across the

858
00:50:18,215 --> 00:50:22,535
Speaker 15: front of my driveway. And so my question is there's

859
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Speaker 15: probably going to be like, you know, holes under the

860
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Speaker 15: driveway from where the water has been draining out to

861
00:50:28,495 --> 00:50:32,295
Speaker 15: the straight or the ground. Should that be back filled

862
00:50:33,015 --> 00:50:35,335
Speaker 15: once the connection is put in place to take the

863
00:50:36,335 --> 00:50:39,015
Speaker 15: pipe that's not connected to any storm water to a

864
00:50:39,055 --> 00:50:39,815
Speaker 15: stormwater pipe.

865
00:50:40,615 --> 00:50:44,695
Speaker 5: Why do you think that there would be essentially like

866
00:50:44,855 --> 00:50:48,775
Speaker 5: erosion under the driveways. Is there a subsidence in the

867
00:50:48,895 --> 00:50:52,375
Speaker 5: driveway now or there's actually.

868
00:50:52,175 --> 00:50:56,735
Speaker 15: No subsidence in the driveway. However, on the side of

869
00:50:56,815 --> 00:51:01,575
Speaker 15: the house that is connected there's the dumb hype that

870
00:51:01,775 --> 00:51:05,895
Speaker 15: should be connected to stormwater. There's a one meter hole

871
00:51:06,015 --> 00:51:13,215
Speaker 15: beside the house, and yeah, I know, and so okay, yeah,

872
00:51:13,575 --> 00:51:16,055
Speaker 15: and so in the rain you can say that the

873
00:51:16,175 --> 00:51:19,815
Speaker 15: downpipe that there's water going sort of underneath the house,

874
00:51:19,855 --> 00:51:23,775
Speaker 15: which is the corner of a concrete paired under the driveway.

875
00:51:24,815 --> 00:51:29,895
Speaker 15: But probably you know, I've had one one drainage quote.

876
00:51:30,495 --> 00:51:33,055
Speaker 15: But then I got told I should get different opinion

877
00:51:33,295 --> 00:51:36,135
Speaker 15: on how to deal with this, and so it's kind

878
00:51:36,175 --> 00:51:40,175
Speaker 15: of left me a little confused. And then also I

879
00:51:40,255 --> 00:51:45,415
Speaker 15: don't know because the concrete paired of the garage is

880
00:51:45,535 --> 00:51:47,895
Speaker 15: not tied to the side of the house. I don't

881
00:51:47,935 --> 00:51:49,615
Speaker 15: know if I should be like looking at that and

882
00:51:49,655 --> 00:51:53,615
Speaker 15: getting a structural engineer or if it's like literally a

883
00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:57,015
Speaker 15: drain layer problem to get connectors and then see what

884
00:51:57,095 --> 00:51:57,815
Speaker 15: happens after that.

885
00:51:58,575 --> 00:52:02,095
Speaker 5: Look, I think a recently experienced drain layer will be

886
00:52:02,175 --> 00:52:05,415
Speaker 5: able to sort of, you know, determine what do I

887
00:52:05,495 --> 00:52:08,615
Speaker 5: need to do in order to make this safe. And

888
00:52:09,215 --> 00:52:11,215
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about, you know, if there has been some

889
00:52:11,335 --> 00:52:14,775
Speaker 5: scouring out right, So if you've had persistent the downpipe

890
00:52:14,855 --> 00:52:19,055
Speaker 5: literally dropping onto the ground and that's washed away some

891
00:52:19,255 --> 00:52:24,095
Speaker 5: of the ground underneath the drive or adjacent to the drive,

892
00:52:24,295 --> 00:52:28,415
Speaker 5: then yes, when they cut up the drive, install the

893
00:52:28,495 --> 00:52:32,655
Speaker 5: new drainage, and then backfill it, they'll they'll be able

894
00:52:32,735 --> 00:52:35,015
Speaker 5: to make an assessment at that time. It would be

895
00:52:35,095 --> 00:52:35,615
Speaker 5: my feeling.

896
00:52:36,775 --> 00:52:38,375
Speaker 8: Yep, yeah, that's not.

897
00:52:40,015 --> 00:52:40,175
Speaker 16: Right.

898
00:52:40,375 --> 00:52:44,375
Speaker 15: Okay, yeah, yeah, that same principle, I guess, Yeah, that's right.

899
00:52:44,455 --> 00:52:47,575
Speaker 5: So once you know, once you've actually controlled your stormwater

900
00:52:47,655 --> 00:52:51,695
Speaker 5: discharge and you're not having that sort of uncontrolled discharge

901
00:52:51,735 --> 00:52:56,295
Speaker 5: onto the ground which is then causing erosion effectively, maybe

902
00:52:56,335 --> 00:52:59,335
Speaker 5: it's just a case of backfilling that if it felt

903
00:52:59,415 --> 00:53:02,535
Speaker 5: like it had undermined the driveway it could be an

904
00:53:02,575 --> 00:53:08,295
Speaker 5: option of using it's kind of an extreme solution, but

905
00:53:09,095 --> 00:53:12,775
Speaker 5: flowable fill, which is basically a low MPa concrete, so

906
00:53:12,935 --> 00:53:16,575
Speaker 5: typically concrete twenty MPa, right, that's what allows it to set.

907
00:53:17,655 --> 00:53:21,095
Speaker 5: In some instances, you can just use like a two

908
00:53:21,255 --> 00:53:24,855
Speaker 5: MPa concrete that will bind together, so it means that

909
00:53:25,055 --> 00:53:29,935
Speaker 5: your material won't separate. But it doesn't have the same

910
00:53:30,095 --> 00:53:32,975
Speaker 5: strength as regular concrete, but it doesn't need to because

911
00:53:32,975 --> 00:53:35,335
Speaker 5: it's not doing the same job. So you know, there

912
00:53:35,415 --> 00:53:38,135
Speaker 5: are some solutions around that. But to me, I get

913
00:53:38,135 --> 00:53:40,175
Speaker 5: the sense that once you sort out the drainage, and

914
00:53:40,255 --> 00:53:42,735
Speaker 5: good on you for doing it, because you know, I

915
00:53:42,815 --> 00:53:46,055
Speaker 5: think we've all seen examples where back in the day,

916
00:53:46,335 --> 00:53:48,815
Speaker 5: you know, nineteen seventies and so on, it was fine,

917
00:53:48,975 --> 00:53:51,655
Speaker 5: you just dump the down pipe onto the ground and

918
00:53:52,015 --> 00:53:54,855
Speaker 5: so on, and then it just becomes somebody else's problem,

919
00:53:54,895 --> 00:53:57,535
Speaker 5: which is inevitably what happens. It flows down the driveway,

920
00:53:57,975 --> 00:54:00,815
Speaker 5: out across the footpath and into the channel, and if

921
00:54:00,855 --> 00:54:04,975
Speaker 5: you drive along with any heavy weather event in almost

922
00:54:05,095 --> 00:54:07,815
Speaker 5: any city or town and all in the country, you'll

923
00:54:07,895 --> 00:54:13,095
Speaker 5: see that the curb is overflowing. Because we've allowed curb

924
00:54:13,175 --> 00:54:17,535
Speaker 5: discharges for such a long period of time, councils really

925
00:54:17,655 --> 00:54:21,375
Speaker 5: reluctant to allow those Today, I think I.

926
00:54:21,695 --> 00:54:26,175
Speaker 15: Always thought those those flooded straight sides was because the

927
00:54:26,255 --> 00:54:29,175
Speaker 15: councils weren't like connecting up properly.

928
00:54:28,895 --> 00:54:29,375
Speaker 6: To the storm.

929
00:54:29,855 --> 00:54:33,895
Speaker 5: No, No, that might be part of the issue. And

930
00:54:33,935 --> 00:54:37,775
Speaker 5: I think councils have been criticized, and rightly so, for

931
00:54:38,455 --> 00:54:43,015
Speaker 5: maybe not putting the resources into going along and cleaning

932
00:54:43,055 --> 00:54:47,935
Speaker 5: out catch pits right in the curbs. And I've to

933
00:54:48,015 --> 00:54:51,455
Speaker 5: be fair, and two days ago there's an area near

934
00:54:51,535 --> 00:54:55,295
Speaker 5: where I live, on a road that floods seemingly and

935
00:54:56,535 --> 00:54:59,175
Speaker 5: you know, a drop of rain seems to cause flooding there, right,

936
00:54:59,535 --> 00:55:04,735
Speaker 5: and it's it's been like that for twenty years. On Friday,

937
00:55:04,895 --> 00:55:08,815
Speaker 5: just heading out, they had a sucker truck there cleaning

938
00:55:08,855 --> 00:55:12,135
Speaker 5: out those catch pits that have been you know, we

939
00:55:12,295 --> 00:55:14,135
Speaker 5: know that there's a problem here, so let's go and

940
00:55:14,215 --> 00:55:17,855
Speaker 5: be preemptive and go to those sort of high risk

941
00:55:17,935 --> 00:55:22,095
Speaker 5: areas and clean them out. So I think councils finally

942
00:55:22,255 --> 00:55:24,815
Speaker 5: are waking up to the fact that not terribly exciting,

943
00:55:24,935 --> 00:55:26,455
Speaker 5: but this is the sort of thing that they need

944
00:55:26,615 --> 00:55:26,815
Speaker 5: to do.

945
00:55:28,695 --> 00:55:32,015
Speaker 15: Yes, Yeah, one other question for you, just thinking about

946
00:55:32,055 --> 00:55:36,615
Speaker 15: this the side that does go into the ground without

947
00:55:36,735 --> 00:55:41,535
Speaker 15: any issues. What theres another option to leave that side

948
00:55:41,575 --> 00:55:43,975
Speaker 15: and just steal to the side with the big holer.

949
00:55:44,855 --> 00:55:48,495
Speaker 5: Well, that would be I wonder whether you know the

950
00:55:48,535 --> 00:55:52,735
Speaker 5: person who's come to have a look at the work. If,

951
00:55:52,815 --> 00:55:56,735
Speaker 5: for example, your nearest stormwater connection is where you're existing

952
00:55:56,855 --> 00:56:01,135
Speaker 5: downpipe connects to storm water, then and the shortest routers

953
00:56:01,735 --> 00:56:05,775
Speaker 5: through your driveway, that might be the go because otherwise

954
00:56:05,935 --> 00:56:08,335
Speaker 5: it depends on where you know, where you've got an

955
00:56:08,375 --> 00:56:11,215
Speaker 5: existing storm water connection that might be going in a

956
00:56:11,295 --> 00:56:14,615
Speaker 5: completely different direction to your other downpipe, in which case

957
00:56:15,135 --> 00:56:19,335
Speaker 5: connecting the two via the shortest route is the best solution. However,

958
00:56:19,535 --> 00:56:24,215
Speaker 5: if for example, there's a stormwater connection close to your

959
00:56:24,455 --> 00:56:28,135
Speaker 5: downpipe which is not connected, then you could separate your

960
00:56:28,175 --> 00:56:30,935
Speaker 5: feeds and take one into one connection and one to

961
00:56:31,015 --> 00:56:33,455
Speaker 5: another one. But again that's you know, that comes down

962
00:56:33,495 --> 00:56:36,615
Speaker 5: to the experience of the contractor that you're engaging, and

963
00:56:36,735 --> 00:56:40,415
Speaker 5: they should be able to make a plan going well,

964
00:56:40,455 --> 00:56:43,055
Speaker 5: this is the best plan and for these reasons, and

965
00:56:43,375 --> 00:56:45,495
Speaker 5: you should be happy with that, you know, once they've

966
00:56:45,495 --> 00:56:47,055
Speaker 5: explained it to you, if you're happy with it, go

967
00:56:47,215 --> 00:56:47,375
Speaker 5: for it.

968
00:56:48,495 --> 00:56:49,215
Speaker 15: Awesome, Thank you.

969
00:56:49,495 --> 00:56:50,975
Speaker 5: Nice to talk with you, and good luck with that.

970
00:56:52,615 --> 00:56:55,095
Speaker 5: All the best Gooba then, And look, I think there

971
00:56:55,175 --> 00:56:58,975
Speaker 5: is increasingly a responsibility on us as homeowners to ensure

972
00:56:59,015 --> 00:57:01,895
Speaker 5: that you know, we are controlling. There's a requirement in

973
00:57:01,975 --> 00:57:05,735
Speaker 5: the Property Act anyway, that you can't have uncontrolled stormwater

974
00:57:05,775 --> 00:57:09,615
Speaker 5: discharge from your own property, So you know, and probably

975
00:57:09,975 --> 00:57:12,535
Speaker 5: I think when we got our place years ago, there

976
00:57:12,695 --> 00:57:16,815
Speaker 5: was no stormwater right the downpipes either went onto the well.

977
00:57:16,855 --> 00:57:20,575
Speaker 5: They did they literally went onto the ground. So some

978
00:57:20,855 --> 00:57:23,535
Speaker 5: years ago we formalized all of that, bought all of

979
00:57:23,615 --> 00:57:26,935
Speaker 5: the storm water together, and created a new connection out

980
00:57:27,055 --> 00:57:29,735
Speaker 5: to the public stormwater line further out in the street.

981
00:57:30,895 --> 00:57:32,975
Speaker 5: But prior to that, now I don't think it was

982
00:57:33,015 --> 00:57:35,815
Speaker 5: ever a nuisance because we happen to be in an

983
00:57:35,855 --> 00:57:39,215
Speaker 5: area where it drains quite well. But the principle is there,

984
00:57:39,335 --> 00:57:41,375
Speaker 5: you need to all of us as homeowners, if we

985
00:57:41,455 --> 00:57:44,935
Speaker 5: are homeowners property owners, need to control stormwater from our

986
00:57:44,975 --> 00:57:47,655
Speaker 5: own property. It shouldn't become I'm just going to push

987
00:57:47,695 --> 00:57:49,335
Speaker 5: it out to the street and let it become somebody

988
00:57:49,375 --> 00:57:51,695
Speaker 5: else's problem. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

989
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990
00:57:53,895 --> 00:57:58,455
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1012
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1013
00:59:20,575 --> 00:59:24,335
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1014
00:59:24,375 --> 00:59:26,975
Speaker 5: A very good morning to you, Mornie. How are you

1015
00:59:27,455 --> 00:59:29,575
Speaker 5: very well? Mystery pipe in the ground.

1016
00:59:31,895 --> 00:59:34,295
Speaker 6: Yeah, so just about sort of ten feet off our house.

1017
00:59:34,815 --> 00:59:38,335
Speaker 6: I was thinking in a new orange tree, a lovely

1018
00:59:38,855 --> 00:59:45,215
Speaker 6: heritage lemon tree, fell over and found a gray, gray,

1019
00:59:45,215 --> 00:59:47,375
Speaker 6: one hundred mild pipe. So I did a bit of

1020
00:59:47,415 --> 00:59:49,895
Speaker 6: Google and sort of maybe assumption that it was a

1021
00:59:49,935 --> 00:59:51,895
Speaker 6: storm water train, but it was quite and when I

1022
00:59:52,015 --> 00:59:55,015
Speaker 6: dug down to the put the tree in, that was

1023
00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:58,375
Speaker 6: very you know, it's very sloppy that you know, obviously

1024
00:59:58,455 --> 01:00:01,895
Speaker 6: we've got some sort of leak in that pipe, but

1025
01:00:02,135 --> 01:00:06,495
Speaker 6: where it would be I have no idea. So what

1026
01:00:06,615 --> 01:00:09,935
Speaker 6: you know, like do I just I mean we're talking,

1027
01:00:09,975 --> 01:00:13,175
Speaker 6: you know, you're talking about stormwater consibility. I mean it

1028
01:00:13,295 --> 01:00:16,615
Speaker 6: is in our property, so I mean sort of other

1029
01:00:16,735 --> 01:00:22,255
Speaker 6: than working from that point forward and and and and

1030
01:00:22,375 --> 01:00:25,215
Speaker 6: digging it out and trying to ascertain where the of

1031
01:00:25,255 --> 01:00:28,375
Speaker 6: the water. Yeah, you know, open open the suggestions.

1032
01:00:29,055 --> 01:00:32,975
Speaker 5: Okay, if it's gray PVC, then yes, you're probably right.

1033
01:00:33,095 --> 01:00:37,335
Speaker 5: It's either storm water or wastewater, so they're not necessarily

1034
01:00:37,415 --> 01:00:40,135
Speaker 5: different colored pipes. But if it's one hundred milli PVC,

1035
01:00:40,295 --> 01:00:42,495
Speaker 5: it's in the ground, it'll be one of those two things.

1036
01:00:43,655 --> 01:00:45,695
Speaker 6: Can can I can I? Can I drop something under here?

1037
01:00:46,775 --> 01:00:50,375
Speaker 6: So we're we're a street front house and there's there's

1038
01:00:50,495 --> 01:00:52,975
Speaker 6: no toilet with the neighbors or with ourselves that I

1039
01:00:53,015 --> 01:00:55,975
Speaker 6: would think would line up with the direction the pipe

1040
01:00:56,095 --> 01:01:01,175
Speaker 6: is lying. No, so that what that what? That's what

1041
01:01:01,375 --> 01:01:03,975
Speaker 6: makes me think it's possibly more stormwater than the.

1042
01:01:06,495 --> 01:01:09,855
Speaker 5: That's cool. So what you can do is if you

1043
01:01:09,935 --> 01:01:12,375
Speaker 5: go to a plumber's merchant, drain layer's place and ask

1044
01:01:12,455 --> 01:01:16,255
Speaker 5: for some dye, and then where you've got a stormwater

1045
01:01:16,295 --> 01:01:19,455
Speaker 5: connection at the house, just pour the dye into. If

1046
01:01:19,495 --> 01:01:21,575
Speaker 5: there's like where you down pipe comes down, it's an

1047
01:01:21,615 --> 01:01:23,815
Speaker 5: eighty mil down pipe into one hundred mil fitting, let's

1048
01:01:23,855 --> 01:01:26,775
Speaker 5: say you can pour some dye down there, and then

1049
01:01:26,935 --> 01:01:28,935
Speaker 5: before you put your new lemon tree in, if you

1050
01:01:29,055 --> 01:01:32,335
Speaker 5: leave that hole open and just see whether the dye

1051
01:01:33,015 --> 01:01:35,495
Speaker 5: is in the water that you see it that at

1052
01:01:35,535 --> 01:01:38,175
Speaker 5: that point then you'll know that maybe there's a leak

1053
01:01:38,255 --> 01:01:40,335
Speaker 5: in the pipe and it's it's coming out there. The

1054
01:01:40,455 --> 01:01:43,455
Speaker 5: other thing, that's because there's moisture around in that pipe.

1055
01:01:43,815 --> 01:01:47,815
Speaker 5: What often happens is that drains. You know, when you

1056
01:01:48,375 --> 01:01:50,855
Speaker 5: dig a trench, you put in a bit of fine

1057
01:01:50,895 --> 01:01:53,815
Speaker 5: metal and then you bed you pipe into that, put

1058
01:01:53,855 --> 01:01:55,575
Speaker 5: a little bit more over the top to cover it,

1059
01:01:55,655 --> 01:01:58,495
Speaker 5: and then you backfill. But that effectively acts like a

1060
01:01:58,655 --> 01:02:01,895
Speaker 5: field drain. Right, So the fact that there's water in

1061
01:02:01,975 --> 01:02:05,815
Speaker 5: there might just be that groundwater is tracking along there

1062
01:02:05,855 --> 01:02:08,495
Speaker 5: in which it's not a leak, it's just where the

1063
01:02:08,575 --> 01:02:09,575
Speaker 5: ground is saturated.

1064
01:02:10,415 --> 01:02:11,935
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other and I wonder.

1065
01:02:11,695 --> 01:02:14,335
Speaker 6: If that's the case, because it was actually orange tree.

1066
01:02:14,335 --> 01:02:18,175
Speaker 6: I've already planted it. I went I went out, I

1067
01:02:18,255 --> 01:02:21,335
Speaker 6: went out three feet from their pipe and and and

1068
01:02:22,335 --> 01:02:23,815
Speaker 6: the thing and there it was. It was it was

1069
01:02:23,895 --> 01:02:25,775
Speaker 6: tough airs that you know, it was clay and yeah,

1070
01:02:25,855 --> 01:02:29,575
Speaker 6: sure and solid solid dirty whatever whatever it is. It's minimal.

1071
01:02:29,695 --> 01:02:29,855
Speaker 7: You know.

1072
01:02:30,255 --> 01:02:33,615
Speaker 5: It might just be that the trench is acting as

1073
01:02:33,655 --> 01:02:37,855
Speaker 5: a field drain effectively, and that's not uncommon. But if

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01:02:38,015 --> 01:02:40,735
Speaker 5: if if you are at all concerned, the other option

1075
01:02:40,935 --> 01:02:43,335
Speaker 5: is to get in some of the c c t

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01:02:43,495 --> 01:02:47,215
Speaker 5: V teams that will be able to find the manhole

1077
01:02:47,255 --> 01:02:49,895
Speaker 5: in the street, or maybe they'll disconnect the down pipe,

1078
01:02:49,935 --> 01:02:52,495
Speaker 5: poke the camera through, just run it through and just

1079
01:02:52,615 --> 01:02:54,295
Speaker 5: check the condition of your drains.

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Speaker 6: Okay, it's okay, yeah, to be fair.

1081
01:02:58,735 --> 01:03:00,255
Speaker 5: But anyway, yeah, I.

1082
01:03:00,255 --> 01:03:02,695
Speaker 6: Think I'll just read the three REREADI that hole and

1083
01:03:02,735 --> 01:03:03,495
Speaker 6: drop a bit of die.

1084
01:03:03,415 --> 01:03:05,775
Speaker 4: In it and absolutely see what happens.

1085
01:03:06,095 --> 01:03:08,655
Speaker 6: It's it's only it's only twelve inches down forty inches down,

1086
01:03:08,655 --> 01:03:09,935
Speaker 6: so that it's not a big dig.

1087
01:03:10,055 --> 01:03:12,215
Speaker 5: You open it up and tip the dye and further

1088
01:03:12,335 --> 01:03:16,255
Speaker 5: up right, so you know, tip it in there. And

1089
01:03:16,975 --> 01:03:18,735
Speaker 5: I tell you what, I've done that once when someone

1090
01:03:18,775 --> 01:03:20,655
Speaker 5: said no, no, no, it's not my pipe that's leaking,

1091
01:03:20,815 --> 01:03:24,855
Speaker 5: and about an hour later the backyard was was bright green.

1092
01:03:24,935 --> 01:03:27,575
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's your pipe that's leaking, mate. So it's

1093
01:03:27,615 --> 01:03:30,495
Speaker 5: pretty cool. All the best you, Brian, have a great day,

1094
01:03:31,135 --> 01:03:33,695
Speaker 5: take care your news, talk seed be and Jay our

1095
01:03:33,775 --> 01:03:37,655
Speaker 5: painting expert, very patiently. I just wanted to I wanted

1096
01:03:37,695 --> 01:03:39,895
Speaker 5: to solve that mystery, Jay, but I've done that and

1097
01:03:40,015 --> 01:03:42,495
Speaker 5: now a very good morning Jay from razille are you.

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01:03:43,295 --> 01:03:44,295
Speaker 13: I'm all good, mate? All good?

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01:03:44,295 --> 01:03:48,655
Speaker 5: How are you I'm very well, excellent, batten down the hatches.

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01:03:50,535 --> 01:03:53,175
Speaker 13: Yeah, where I am. It just seemed to be much

1101
01:03:53,215 --> 01:03:57,855
Speaker 13: about nothing in the end, right, thankfully, thankfully. Yes, obviously

1102
01:03:57,895 --> 01:03:59,615
Speaker 13: I've only been on my property, so I don't know

1103
01:03:59,695 --> 01:04:03,775
Speaker 13: what it's like everywhere else, but here seems okay, I.

1104
01:04:04,015 --> 01:04:06,735
Speaker 5: Guess this must be the Oh no, no, this isn't

1105
01:04:07,015 --> 01:04:09,655
Speaker 5: necessarily related to painting. We'll get onto painting in a second.

1106
01:04:09,695 --> 01:04:13,215
Speaker 5: But you can understand the challenge. Let's say, for the

1107
01:04:13,295 --> 01:04:16,175
Speaker 5: meteorological people to go. You know, there is this thing,

1108
01:04:16,295 --> 01:04:18,455
Speaker 5: we know it's up there, and where will it go?

1109
01:04:18,735 --> 01:04:20,775
Speaker 5: And at one stage it looked like it was going

1110
01:04:20,855 --> 01:04:24,615
Speaker 5: to track sort of through Auckland and then particularly through

1111
01:04:24,655 --> 01:04:27,135
Speaker 5: the Corimandal. Now it's moved further to the east, so

1112
01:04:28,055 --> 01:04:30,415
Speaker 5: you and I might be able to go, oh, thank goodness,

1113
01:04:30,455 --> 01:04:32,815
Speaker 5: we've dodged a bullet there. But if you happen to

1114
01:04:32,855 --> 01:04:35,775
Speaker 5: be without power and tower wrong, you're probably not feeling

1115
01:04:35,815 --> 01:04:36,775
Speaker 5: that great about it either.

1116
01:04:37,215 --> 01:04:39,895
Speaker 13: So yeah, and like I say, it's giving everyone the

1117
01:04:39,975 --> 01:04:43,735
Speaker 13: heads up, get prepared, get ready, and nothing happens, then

1118
01:04:43,815 --> 01:04:46,495
Speaker 13: at least you're ready for it, just in case, well

1119
01:04:46,575 --> 01:04:47,535
Speaker 13: than the other way around us.

1120
01:04:48,335 --> 01:04:50,855
Speaker 5: Hey, Now, just in terms of painting. This is just

1121
01:04:50,975 --> 01:04:53,255
Speaker 5: a bit of a It was one of those light

1122
01:04:53,335 --> 01:04:56,135
Speaker 5: bulb moments for me because you know, we've talked about

1123
01:04:56,175 --> 01:04:59,535
Speaker 5: painting and the importance of a good coating of paint

1124
01:04:59,615 --> 01:05:02,975
Speaker 5: to the exterior of your building in terms of protecting

1125
01:05:03,055 --> 01:05:06,735
Speaker 5: your investment. Right, So almost all of our bild have

1126
01:05:06,895 --> 01:05:09,215
Speaker 5: some sort of paint system on the outside, whether it's

1127
01:05:09,375 --> 01:05:12,895
Speaker 5: over fiber cement sheet, whether it's over timber weather boards,

1128
01:05:12,935 --> 01:05:16,855
Speaker 5: whether it's over stucco and renders and so on. And

1129
01:05:17,295 --> 01:05:21,695
Speaker 5: you hear the manufacturers of all of those different products

1130
01:05:21,735 --> 01:05:25,175
Speaker 5: and systems going you need to maintain your paint coating,

1131
01:05:25,415 --> 01:05:29,935
Speaker 5: and I wonder whether there's a complacency that grows about yeah, okay,

1132
01:05:30,055 --> 01:05:32,695
Speaker 5: well whatever sort of thing. And then I was at

1133
01:05:32,735 --> 01:05:38,375
Speaker 5: a seminar the other day around moisture, and it was

1134
01:05:38,415 --> 01:05:42,095
Speaker 5: a guy from Brands, a scientist at Brands who they've

1135
01:05:42,175 --> 01:05:46,095
Speaker 5: done testing of what happens when you don't have a

1136
01:05:46,215 --> 01:05:50,175
Speaker 5: good paint coating on the exterior. And it was fascinating

1137
01:05:50,295 --> 01:05:53,255
Speaker 5: to see the impact of like a poor paint coating

1138
01:05:53,895 --> 01:05:58,255
Speaker 5: on a weatherboard as opposed to a good condition. And

1139
01:05:58,775 --> 01:06:01,215
Speaker 5: it was like radically different in terms of the moisture

1140
01:06:01,295 --> 01:06:06,015
Speaker 5: content and the durability and so on, and like's that's science, right,

1141
01:06:06,455 --> 01:06:10,255
Speaker 5: is Actually paint's really really important on the outside of

1142
01:06:10,295 --> 01:06:10,735
Speaker 5: a building.

1143
01:06:11,615 --> 01:06:13,455
Speaker 13: One hundred per It sounds like it would have been

1144
01:06:13,575 --> 01:06:14,615
Speaker 13: interest in seminar to go to.

1145
01:06:14,775 --> 01:06:18,135
Speaker 5: It was really really good, actually, and you know the

1146
01:06:18,375 --> 01:06:21,255
Speaker 5: data will be there through the brand's website. I'm sure

1147
01:06:21,295 --> 01:06:23,815
Speaker 5: I can find it for you. But I suppose it

1148
01:06:23,895 --> 01:06:26,415
Speaker 5: was one of those things we kind of we know

1149
01:06:26,615 --> 01:06:29,935
Speaker 5: that it's important to maintain the paint on the exterior building.

1150
01:06:30,815 --> 01:06:32,855
Speaker 5: But he's the proof, right, this is what happens when

1151
01:06:32,895 --> 01:06:35,175
Speaker 5: you don't. Here's the numbers.

1152
01:06:35,215 --> 01:06:35,375
Speaker 9: It was.

1153
01:06:35,495 --> 01:06:36,295
Speaker 5: It was fascinating.

1154
01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:40,615
Speaker 13: I just have to imagine it was let's say, just

1155
01:06:40,935 --> 01:06:45,335
Speaker 13: the whole maintenancing as well. Like people are will evan

1156
01:06:45,375 --> 01:06:47,855
Speaker 13: not clean their car, even if you just said once

1157
01:06:47,895 --> 01:06:50,855
Speaker 13: a month, but people don't clean their house or clean

1158
01:06:50,895 --> 01:06:54,335
Speaker 13: their roof once a year. In all that sort of

1159
01:06:54,775 --> 01:06:58,175
Speaker 13: surface contaminants build up, which break down the coatings and

1160
01:06:58,335 --> 01:07:01,775
Speaker 13: then you get moisture and grass and just simply getting

1161
01:07:01,815 --> 01:07:03,815
Speaker 13: out and giving your house a soft wash, even if

1162
01:07:03,815 --> 01:07:06,735
Speaker 13: it's one side at a time. I live in a

1163
01:07:06,815 --> 01:07:09,575
Speaker 13: single story property, so that it's really easy for me,

1164
01:07:09,735 --> 01:07:13,975
Speaker 13: sure that compared to some people, but just plan for

1165
01:07:14,175 --> 01:07:18,815
Speaker 13: it and work with it. Like everything's going to last

1166
01:07:18,895 --> 01:07:21,415
Speaker 13: that much longer and be that much more protected if

1167
01:07:21,455 --> 01:07:22,175
Speaker 13: you maintain it.

1168
01:07:23,455 --> 01:07:23,935
Speaker 4: Which.

1169
01:07:25,495 --> 01:07:28,415
Speaker 5: You know, if you're looking at Auckland for example, and

1170
01:07:28,455 --> 01:07:32,895
Speaker 5: most of the main centers, the majority building consents are

1171
01:07:33,015 --> 01:07:37,735
Speaker 5: for attached dwellings at townhouses and the like, and a

1172
01:07:37,815 --> 01:07:40,135
Speaker 5: number of those are going to be two, if not

1173
01:07:40,335 --> 01:07:44,855
Speaker 5: three stories high. So that's something that if you were

1174
01:07:44,895 --> 01:07:48,055
Speaker 5: to buy a three story building, you should be looking

1175
01:07:48,135 --> 01:07:52,015
Speaker 5: at that cladding around those top levels and go, is

1176
01:07:52,135 --> 01:07:54,855
Speaker 5: that something that I can readily maintain? You know, like

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01:07:54,975 --> 01:07:58,855
Speaker 5: you say, single story building, you and me both access

1178
01:07:58,935 --> 01:08:00,655
Speaker 5: most of it standing on the ground with a long

1179
01:08:00,735 --> 01:08:02,655
Speaker 5: brush or something like that. There's no way in the

1180
01:08:02,695 --> 01:08:05,015
Speaker 5: world that I'm reaching up to the third story to

1181
01:08:05,255 --> 01:08:06,215
Speaker 5: clean my cladding.

1182
01:08:06,535 --> 01:08:11,895
Speaker 13: So that's like these issues, right, I've got to think

1183
01:08:11,935 --> 01:08:14,695
Speaker 13: about it. It's still going to be an issue. There's

1184
01:08:14,735 --> 01:08:18,215
Speaker 13: plenty of houses in that sort of building scope to

1185
01:08:18,415 --> 01:08:22,455
Speaker 13: three stories that all have timber features that get stained

1186
01:08:23,415 --> 01:08:26,775
Speaker 13: and then maintaining that you need to restain every two

1187
01:08:26,935 --> 01:08:30,535
Speaker 13: or three summers. So if you buy a house that

1188
01:08:30,695 --> 01:08:33,215
Speaker 13: sort of feature, think about it because you are going

1189
01:08:33,295 --> 01:08:37,855
Speaker 13: to have to maintain it, and like I say, cleaning

1190
01:08:38,095 --> 01:08:41,335
Speaker 13: is kind of a no brainer. You need to do it,

1191
01:08:41,695 --> 01:08:44,335
Speaker 13: so sort of start thinking about it. Even if it

1192
01:08:44,495 --> 01:08:47,175
Speaker 13: is just a yearly clean. You can say it gets

1193
01:08:47,215 --> 01:08:51,935
Speaker 13: a bit of a wash with the rain, but not entirely.

1194
01:08:54,095 --> 01:08:56,175
Speaker 13: You need to give it a soft wash to agitate

1195
01:08:56,255 --> 01:08:59,215
Speaker 13: the surface with a brush, soft bristle brush and some

1196
01:08:59,975 --> 01:09:02,415
Speaker 13: like we'd say zee paint paper and the house wash

1197
01:09:02,815 --> 01:09:05,695
Speaker 13: just to remove that kind of chalky nurse and surface

1198
01:09:05,735 --> 01:09:10,495
Speaker 13: contamina and the glossier the surface, the easier it is

1199
01:09:10,575 --> 01:09:11,535
Speaker 13: to maintain as well.

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01:09:12,735 --> 01:09:16,615
Speaker 5: Right, So that's something around the which type of exterior

1201
01:09:16,695 --> 01:09:18,935
Speaker 5: paint you choose. If you have something with a slightly

1202
01:09:19,015 --> 01:09:23,095
Speaker 5: higher gloss level, it will have, for want of a

1203
01:09:23,175 --> 01:09:27,015
Speaker 5: better term, a harder surface, and the.

1204
01:09:27,055 --> 01:09:30,135
Speaker 13: Gloss here and shinier is things are going to find

1205
01:09:30,175 --> 01:09:33,655
Speaker 13: it harder to stick to it. Right, So even dirts

1206
01:09:33,735 --> 01:09:36,495
Speaker 13: and pollends and salts, Yes, it's just going to be

1207
01:09:36,615 --> 01:09:41,375
Speaker 13: easier to wash off compared to a flat or dull surface.

1208
01:09:41,455 --> 01:09:45,615
Speaker 13: So okay, yeah, a surface that hasn't been repainted or

1209
01:09:45,695 --> 01:09:47,095
Speaker 13: restained recently.

1210
01:09:46,975 --> 01:09:49,655
Speaker 5: Yes, excellent. Hey, now we've got a couple of tics

1211
01:09:49,735 --> 01:09:52,375
Speaker 5: that are starting to come through some certain questions for you,

1212
01:09:53,335 --> 01:09:54,855
Speaker 5: and we'll get to those in a moment. We'll just

1213
01:09:54,895 --> 01:09:56,495
Speaker 5: take a short break and then we beck with j

1214
01:09:56,735 --> 01:09:59,215
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine. Just hold the line there.

1215
01:09:59,255 --> 01:10:02,055
Speaker 4: Jake back in a moment helping you finish that fibe.

1216
01:10:02,095 --> 01:10:05,335
Speaker 1: But it fixed you started the resident builder with Peter

1217
01:10:05,415 --> 01:10:09,615
Speaker 1: Wilf Gap Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building

1218
01:10:09,855 --> 01:10:11,335
Speaker 1: Today Call eight.

1219
01:10:12,735 --> 01:10:13,295
Speaker 4: Youth Talks.

1220
01:10:13,295 --> 01:10:17,495
Speaker 5: There be Radio Jay from Razine is with us. Thanks

1221
01:10:17,575 --> 01:10:20,135
Speaker 5: for sticking around hand. There we go, got you back

1222
01:10:20,375 --> 01:10:24,215
Speaker 5: Hate Jay with this from Mike with regards to We

1223
01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:26,575
Speaker 5: started talking a little bit about monolithic cladding at the

1224
01:10:26,575 --> 01:10:29,975
Speaker 5: beginning of the show. What's the best covering to use

1225
01:10:30,095 --> 01:10:33,455
Speaker 5: for this type of cladding? And then they did say

1226
01:10:33,775 --> 01:10:35,935
Speaker 5: is there a company you can recommend? We'll leave that aside,

1227
01:10:35,975 --> 01:10:38,575
Speaker 5: but can you do it yourself? So for most houses

1228
01:10:38,655 --> 01:10:41,215
Speaker 5: that might have what we generally refer to as as

1229
01:10:41,335 --> 01:10:46,575
Speaker 5: monolithic cladding, whether that's spray coating over fiber cement or

1230
01:10:46,975 --> 01:10:52,455
Speaker 5: a genuine render or some of the modern renders and

1231
01:10:52,575 --> 01:10:56,535
Speaker 5: so on, like the Integra and so on, would what's

1232
01:10:56,575 --> 01:11:06,175
Speaker 5: the best coating? Yellow Jay, who's Jay Goon hang on,

1233
01:11:08,615 --> 01:11:09,575
Speaker 5: good a jay you there?

1234
01:11:12,215 --> 01:11:13,655
Speaker 8: Ya gotcha?

1235
01:11:13,735 --> 01:11:13,855
Speaker 11: Now?

1236
01:11:14,895 --> 01:11:19,735
Speaker 13: Okay, So I would recommend you've got razine aquashield YEP,

1237
01:11:19,815 --> 01:11:22,815
Speaker 13: which is a flat mineral effect finish with kind of

1238
01:11:23,295 --> 01:11:27,135
Speaker 13: self cleaning coptics, razine X two hundred, which is a

1239
01:11:27,255 --> 01:11:29,975
Speaker 13: weather type membrane. Yes, it's got a bit more of

1240
01:11:30,015 --> 01:11:32,815
Speaker 13: a gloss to it. So it really depends on the

1241
01:11:32,895 --> 01:11:35,815
Speaker 13: sort of look you're going for on the building. But

1242
01:11:36,055 --> 01:11:38,055
Speaker 13: either of those two would be top of the list

1243
01:11:38,495 --> 01:11:43,095
Speaker 13: to go on to new or repaint none as a cladhouse.

1244
01:11:43,735 --> 01:11:49,575
Speaker 5: Okay, that's awesome. Now someone is describing a situation where Pete,

1245
01:11:49,655 --> 01:11:52,175
Speaker 5: my partner, recently prepped her house in Auckland to paint

1246
01:11:53,055 --> 01:11:56,535
Speaker 5: as some of it had faded and correct. After eight years, however,

1247
01:11:56,815 --> 01:12:01,935
Speaker 5: large areas became coming started to come off and it

1248
01:12:02,015 --> 01:12:05,095
Speaker 5: seems like the product that she was recommended to use

1249
01:12:05,295 --> 01:12:09,255
Speaker 5: was not the right product. So in terms of removing

1250
01:12:09,495 --> 01:12:12,495
Speaker 5: the incorrect product and redoing it, what's the process there?

1251
01:12:12,535 --> 01:12:14,295
Speaker 5: That sounds incredibly frustrating?

1252
01:12:16,575 --> 01:12:21,895
Speaker 13: Yeah, is it just the new product that's come off

1253
01:12:22,375 --> 01:12:24,935
Speaker 13: or is it one of the underlying coating.

1254
01:12:25,055 --> 01:12:27,095
Speaker 5: No, it seems to be the new product has not

1255
01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:29,735
Speaker 5: adhered to the old coating the old one.

1256
01:12:31,335 --> 01:12:35,935
Speaker 13: I mean that could be an incompatibility of systems. It

1257
01:12:36,055 --> 01:12:40,215
Speaker 13: happens a bit with stains, with some stains aren't compatible

1258
01:12:40,255 --> 01:12:45,015
Speaker 13: with other stains. It can also happen a bit if

1259
01:12:46,495 --> 01:12:48,975
Speaker 13: with the conditions we keep having were one minute it's

1260
01:12:49,335 --> 01:12:53,055
Speaker 13: really hot, next minute it's really wet or really humid.

1261
01:12:54,935 --> 01:12:57,815
Speaker 13: You can if the paint goes on too thin, you

1262
01:12:57,895 --> 01:13:00,535
Speaker 13: can end up with bubbles and blisters from getting caught

1263
01:13:00,575 --> 01:13:03,335
Speaker 13: with the humidity, which can cause the paint to sort

1264
01:13:03,375 --> 01:13:06,055
Speaker 13: of come off and not adhere to the underlying surfaces.

1265
01:13:07,535 --> 01:13:12,415
Speaker 13: It can be a matter of kind of not cleaning properly,

1266
01:13:12,575 --> 01:13:15,455
Speaker 13: or you think you've just water blasted, but you haven't

1267
01:13:15,455 --> 01:13:18,495
Speaker 13: actually removed the surface sort of contaminants, and you really

1268
01:13:18,575 --> 01:13:22,855
Speaker 13: need to clean down agitate the surface with a cleaner

1269
01:13:22,935 --> 01:13:25,215
Speaker 13: like paint prep and housewa wash to really remove everything.

1270
01:13:25,335 --> 01:13:29,295
Speaker 13: Otherwise the new coding can't stick. So whether it is

1271
01:13:29,535 --> 01:13:32,015
Speaker 13: the wrong coding that's been used, or whether the prep

1272
01:13:32,175 --> 01:13:36,015
Speaker 13: wasn't the best prep, or whether it's an incompatibility of

1273
01:13:36,135 --> 01:13:40,175
Speaker 13: the two products, but to remove the coding that's on there,

1274
01:13:41,135 --> 01:13:44,815
Speaker 13: we've got sort of a seed sky gel stripper that

1275
01:13:44,975 --> 01:13:49,975
Speaker 13: you could put on which will help remove everything. You

1276
01:13:50,055 --> 01:13:54,215
Speaker 13: could sand though I'm not sure what the surface is

1277
01:13:54,735 --> 01:13:56,895
Speaker 13: if it's moved surface and sounding is a good way

1278
01:13:56,895 --> 01:14:01,135
Speaker 13: of removing everything. If it's textured, a stripper might be better,

1279
01:14:01,215 --> 01:14:05,095
Speaker 13: and then washing off right and then maybe go into

1280
01:14:05,855 --> 01:14:08,655
Speaker 13: it's pretty open question, but maybe go into a local

1281
01:14:08,735 --> 01:14:13,055
Speaker 13: razine color shop or ask an expert on our website. Yes,

1282
01:14:13,335 --> 01:14:15,535
Speaker 13: so you can take some pictures in or upload some

1283
01:14:15,655 --> 01:14:17,175
Speaker 13: pictures and we might be able to give you a

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Speaker 13: better system moving forward.

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Speaker 5: Right in a quick one to wrap up best paint

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Speaker 5: for a poorly ventilated bathroom, so I would say do

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Speaker 5: some ventilation. But in terms of painting a bathroom where

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Speaker 5: you know these moisture issues, what would you use.

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Speaker 13: As a top coat. We've got room velvet, which is

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Speaker 13: there's a hybrid version and solvent born version, yes, which

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Speaker 13: is just better for areas that are poorly ventilated, and

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Speaker 13: the primal would be razine shore seal. But I'm kind

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Speaker 13: of with you. Better ventilation is going to go a

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Speaker 13: long way to help in that situation.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so do the two things to combine. But you know,

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Speaker 5: if you're aware that these particular issues, then and that

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Speaker 5: velvet I used in little bathroom where I had some

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Speaker 5: issues as well, and it's actually lasted really really well. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: brilliant as always. Go and see the team at your

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Speaker 5: Razine Color shop. Get the good advice and Jay, thank

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Speaker 5: you for joining us this morning. Stay drive, take care,

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Speaker 5: all the.

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Speaker 17: Best, Take care your news talks there'd b it is

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Speaker 17: seven forty six vexing what they forgot to mention on

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Speaker 17: that YouTube video The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and

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Speaker 17: Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building today call

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Speaker 17: oh eight.

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Speaker 4: News TALKSB.

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Speaker 5: Now, I had the opportunity the other day to visit

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Speaker 5: a mid build open home. This is a house that's

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Speaker 5: going to be a high performance house and halfway through

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Speaker 5: the build, the performance and some other suppliers invite people

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Speaker 5: to come and have a look at it, which is

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Speaker 5: kind of interesting for someone like me. So what really

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01:15:52,855 --> 01:15:55,295
Speaker 5: caught my eye, and I shouldn't have been surprised, is

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Speaker 5: the joinery, not aluminium, not timber, but uPVC and the

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Speaker 5: homeowners were absolutely stoked. So I thought, let's get someone

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Speaker 5: who knows about this to me. So today Benji from

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Speaker 5: Ambience by Stark, it was your joinery that was there

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Speaker 5: and it looked awesome, but more importantly, it performed so well.

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Speaker 5: So we've seen it overseas. I've just been in Europe.

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Speaker 5: It's everywhere there. New Zealand. It feels like it's only

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Speaker 5: been here for a little while, last ten years or so.

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Speaker 6: Why is that?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, thanks Peter, it's an interesting one. I think it's

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Speaker 18: probably because we're a long way from the rest of

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Speaker 18: the world. But aluminium windows and doors have been the

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Speaker 18: standard here sure, for probably fifty years. But the uPVC

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Speaker 18: in the last ten years has made a real a

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Speaker 18: real made its presence very much known.

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Speaker 5: So the key, I suppose it's something we've seen overseas.

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Speaker 5: It's here now, it's well established here now. And so

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Speaker 5: when I say, you know, better windows, people think it's

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Speaker 5: just numbers on a spec sheet. But if I say

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Speaker 5: a better window, what does it actually mean for the home?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's comfort. Comfort is the word we always use.

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Speaker 18: And I think a lot of people think that a

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Speaker 18: new home will be comfortable. But then you say to them,

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Speaker 18: well is it ever too hot or too cold? And

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Speaker 18: they might say, oh, yeah, in summer it is, or

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Speaker 18: in winter it's too cold. A good window will give

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Speaker 18: you a consistent indoor temperature, no matter what's happening outside,

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Speaker 18: and we call that comfort and that's what the window does.

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Speaker 5: Now, condensation is another real big challenge for Kiwi Holmes.

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Speaker 5: I think most of us have woken up. We've seen

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Speaker 5: it running down the inside of the window. How does

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Speaker 5: the right joinery make a difference there?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, condensation happens when basically high humidity meets a bad window.

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Speaker 18: And of course it's a much bigger problem than that.

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Speaker 18: It causes mold growth and asthma as well. So a

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Speaker 18: good window will not get cold to the touch, and

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Speaker 18: so it reduces that likelihood of condensation. Now, other part

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Speaker 18: of it is the course of ventilation and trying to

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Speaker 18: get rid of some of the internal moisture. Sure, a

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Speaker 18: good window will dramatically reduce that condensation, obviously making your

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Speaker 18: home more healthy.

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Speaker 5: And the other thing is, you know, every time I

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Speaker 5: have a conversation with someone and I go are U

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Speaker 5: PVC windows? They go yeah, and wait, last New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: hash uv. We're completely different than the rest of the world,

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Speaker 5: is it? What's the concern there?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's a legacy issue and obviously we get that

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Speaker 18: all the time, but very much no longer an issue.

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Speaker 18: It was certainly one from the seventies and eighties when

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Speaker 18: parallel imported product that was designed for use in the

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Speaker 18: UK mostly came out here and failed. Yes, but you know,

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Speaker 18: we're fifty years more technology on from that point, and

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Speaker 18: the windows these days have a special formulation basically to

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Speaker 18: resist the UV and here and in Australia where it's

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Speaker 18: worse in Northern Australia and also South America do buy

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Speaker 18: all these places have been using the product for a

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Speaker 18: long time. And yeah, no durability concerns there now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Now I've been out to the factory out and

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Speaker 5: Wary the ambience factory there, and I've seen the workmanship

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Speaker 5: first heart hand. It is really first class and there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of automation which is awesome.

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Speaker 18: Yeah. Yeah, we've pretty much got a European window factory

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Speaker 18: right here in Worry in South Auckland. So it's got

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Speaker 18: European machines, European inputs and really European quality windows coming

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Speaker 18: out the back, all at you know, a reasonable price point,

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Speaker 18: making differences in Kiwi Holmes, which is really what we're

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Speaker 18: passionate about.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Hey, really appreciate your time this morning, Benji. And

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Speaker 5: the website Folks is ambience dot co dot nz or

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Speaker 5: pop out to the showroom zeb your news talk zed B.

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Speaker 5: It is seven fifty four and we've got new sport

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Speaker 5: and weather. Of course top of the hour at eight

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Speaker 5: o'clock might be able to quick call before then. Now.

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Speaker 5: Funnily enough, Jay, who's very passionate as you can tell

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Speaker 5: about his painting, said, oh hey, when we're talking about

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Speaker 5: durability of paint coatings, and both he and I should

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Speaker 5: have mentioned it's like one of my bugbears is watching

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Speaker 5: people do exterior cladding and not priming the ends the cuts, right,

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Speaker 5: So anything any timber that you use on the exterior,

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Speaker 5: Obviously the timber itself needs to be treated, but you

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Speaker 5: need to end seal as well. Sometimes it's a manufacturer's requirement.

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Speaker 5: So any if you cut something to fit it, like

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Speaker 5: a scriber, for example. I'm sure it's in the guide,

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Speaker 5: the manufacturer's guides and all the rest of it, but

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Speaker 5: you know you buy the scriber, it's pre primed you

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Speaker 5: cut it. You've got all of those bear surfaces, all

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Speaker 5: of those need to be treated and primed, preferably even

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Speaker 5: a first coat before they're installed. Ends of weather boards,

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Speaker 5: ends of facings, anything like that any timber surface needs

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Speaker 5: to be sealed, and I must have. I watched people

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Speaker 5: building sometimes, you know packet fences that I know are

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Speaker 5: going to be painted, and they just put the whole

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Speaker 5: thing together and then they paint it later. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 5: so that where you've got two pieces of wood unpainted,

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Speaker 5: you're going to trap moisture in there and you've got

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Speaker 5: no paint protecting it at all. So I've often looked

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Speaker 5: that slightly curiously. Anyway, Jade techs through that and I

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Speaker 5: said I'd mentioned that, so that's really good advice as well.

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Speaker 5: Now after the break, we do have Ralph Kessel from

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Speaker 5: Concrete New Zealand we're going to be talking about concrete.

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Speaker 5: We've got a couple of texts as well, some of

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Speaker 5: which i'll i'll ask Ralph about. He's quite open to

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Speaker 5: having a bit of a conversation around some of your

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Speaker 5: questions about concrete. And just before the break, just a

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Speaker 5: moment ago talking with Benji from Ambience by Stark that

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Speaker 5: around the uPVC, it's worth going and having a look

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Speaker 5: at the website. So if you just go Ambience dot

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Speaker 5: co dot NZ, have a look at some of the

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Speaker 5: information there around how they assemble the joinery, what the

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Speaker 5: performance is like. I said, I went to this midbuild

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Speaker 5: open home a couple of weeks ago and they achieved

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Speaker 5: some remarkable air tightness. This is like you know, independent testing,

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Speaker 5: how air tight is this building? And it effectively tests

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Speaker 5: the joinery as well, and it did extremely well. So

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Speaker 5: have a look at that ambience dot co dot NZET

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Speaker 5: Radio New Sport and weare the top of the are

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Speaker 5: at eight o'clock. Ralph Kessel from Concrete, New Zealand. The

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Speaker 5: red climb passed from eight forty five this morning here

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Speaker 5: at New Salk SEDB.

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Speaker 1: Turning os into She'll be right the Resident Builder with

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Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi

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Speaker 1: building today Call eight hundred eight News Talks B.

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Speaker 5: Well, welcome back to the program. My name's Pete wolf Camp,

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Speaker 5: the resident builder, and this is the Resident Builder on Sunday,

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Speaker 5: on a day where we've certainly been well parts of

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01:23:05,375 --> 01:23:07,815
Speaker 5: the country batted at and if it hasn't arrived, it's

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01:23:07,895 --> 01:23:11,415
Speaker 5: probably on its way to you. I was having a

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Speaker 5: quick look online a moment ago. There's certainly extensive power

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01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:17,855
Speaker 5: outages around the Auckland region as well. There's still some

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01:23:18,055 --> 01:23:22,575
Speaker 5: various advisories and a number of houses in the tol

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Speaker 5: Wrong area that are without power. Interesting enough, Kerry who's

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01:23:27,895 --> 01:23:33,855
Speaker 5: on sorry, yes not Kerry Francesca after nine o'clock will

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Speaker 5: also be getting an update from the METS Service, so

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Speaker 5: stay tuned for that, rightio this morning on the program,

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Speaker 5: I mentioned earlier a couple of weeks months ago Ralph

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Speaker 5: Kessel from Concrete New Zealand joined us and it was

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Speaker 5: a great interview then, and it's a fairly big topic,

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01:23:49,855 --> 01:23:51,935
Speaker 5: so I thought, well let's get Ralph back and it

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Speaker 5: despite great pleasure to welcome back to the program Ralph Kessel,

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01:23:55,535 --> 01:23:56,135
Speaker 5: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, good minded Pete, thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 5: It's a pleasure. Hey look just quickly concrete end z

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 11: What?

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Speaker 5: What does that body represent?

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Speaker 16: So we are the organ speaking for concrete, so we

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Speaker 16: ensure that concrete is used as the best possibilities for

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Speaker 16: on resaliness.

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Speaker 9: So we.

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Speaker 16: Also look after the education in parts of education for

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Speaker 16: ter free education institutes, universities, but also building officials, the

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Speaker 16: building force on the ground. So we have a lot

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Speaker 16: of courses for construction workers, for technicians, et cetera. So Basically,

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Speaker 16: we are the organ representing concrete all over all over

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Speaker 16: the place, if you want.

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Speaker 5: So, right, So it's sort of like the manufacturers as

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Speaker 5: well as the users and ensuring that the standards are

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Speaker 5: maintained as well. So that's why you're in the training space.

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Speaker 16: Yes, absolutely, standards as well. We have sector groups, the

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Speaker 16: masonry block sector groups, the cement group. We have Learned

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01:25:07,815 --> 01:25:13,935
Speaker 16: Society where we combine the knowledge of practicing engineers and architects.

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Speaker 16: So we are definitely an all around tool for concrete

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01:25:19,495 --> 01:25:20,975
Speaker 16: if you want so right.

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Speaker 5: Excellent. Now, one of the things that I was quite

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Speaker 5: keen to talk about, and we've I've invited people to

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Speaker 5: send some texts and so we might do some general

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01:25:30,895 --> 01:25:34,575
Speaker 5: Q and A with a whole random selection of texts

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Speaker 5: if we have time this morning. But one of the

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Speaker 5: things that I guess has been a debate for a

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Speaker 5: number of years is as we move as a sector,

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Speaker 5: the construction sector in general wants to move to a

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Speaker 5: lower carbon future, right, And one of the criticisms and

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Speaker 5: sometimes you talk to people who are really really passionate

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Speaker 5: about sustainability and protecting the environment and they look at

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Speaker 5: concrete and they go, it's just got too much embodied

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Speaker 5: carbon because of its manufacturer, and I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: use concrete because i want a sustainable building. That's probably

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Speaker 5: you've probably been bailed up at conferences and so on

1494
01:26:16,895 --> 01:26:20,975
Speaker 5: where people want to challenge concrete. The other part of

1495
01:26:21,055 --> 01:26:25,255
Speaker 5: that is that the way in which concrete is manufactured today,

1496
01:26:25,975 --> 01:26:29,895
Speaker 5: with the various components, there are some changes there. So

1497
01:26:30,055 --> 01:26:32,575
Speaker 5: when you see an ad that says this is a

1498
01:26:32,775 --> 01:26:35,695
Speaker 5: low carbon concrete, what are they talking about.

1499
01:26:37,055 --> 01:26:40,495
Speaker 16: Well, what I have mentioned in the last interview that

1500
01:26:40,775 --> 01:26:44,655
Speaker 16: we must look at replacing cement because cement is the culprit.

1501
01:26:44,815 --> 01:26:50,695
Speaker 16: Cement eighty five percent emissions of the total of concrete.

1502
01:26:51,255 --> 01:26:55,215
Speaker 16: And here we replace cement with substitutes such as fly

1503
01:26:55,495 --> 01:27:03,375
Speaker 16: ash and volcanic ash which is a natural product, but

1504
01:27:03,615 --> 01:27:06,375
Speaker 16: also slag which is a reminder from steap production. And

1505
01:27:06,495 --> 01:27:09,695
Speaker 16: so the by products from industry would other guys otherwise

1506
01:27:09,775 --> 01:27:12,695
Speaker 16: go to land field, but we chuck it into concrete

1507
01:27:13,615 --> 01:27:19,215
Speaker 16: and reduce the emissions significantly. But what we also see

1508
01:27:19,255 --> 01:27:23,015
Speaker 16: there has been further progress in reducing the emissions to

1509
01:27:23,095 --> 01:27:26,415
Speaker 16: the benefit of all listeners. Structural concrete is always reinforced,

1510
01:27:26,695 --> 01:27:32,095
Speaker 16: usually with steel bars. By stood concrete performs well under compression,

1511
01:27:32,215 --> 01:27:35,255
Speaker 16: but poorly intentioned. So steel, on the other hand, performs

1512
01:27:35,375 --> 01:27:40,095
Speaker 16: very well intension. So we combine those two materials and

1513
01:27:40,855 --> 01:27:45,535
Speaker 16: so a structural concrete building always has steel reinforcement. And

1514
01:27:45,735 --> 01:27:49,775
Speaker 16: until recently, the carbon footprint of steel was significant, about

1515
01:27:49,855 --> 01:27:54,535
Speaker 16: four ton of carbon dioxide per ton of steel, when

1516
01:27:54,615 --> 01:27:57,975
Speaker 16: concrete comes with just eighty two hundred kilogram of carbon

1517
01:27:58,015 --> 01:28:02,135
Speaker 16: dioxide perton. But New Zealand Steel has now built a

1518
01:28:02,255 --> 01:28:05,375
Speaker 16: new electric arc furnace. Not sure if you've burned through

1519
01:28:05,415 --> 01:28:09,935
Speaker 16: the media, yeah, and that enables the production of low

1520
01:28:10,015 --> 01:28:13,335
Speaker 16: carbon steel and as a result, the carbon footprint of

1521
01:28:13,415 --> 01:28:16,655
Speaker 16: the rebar four concrete can be reduced from around four

1522
01:28:16,775 --> 01:28:19,855
Speaker 16: ton to five hundred kilograms.

1523
01:28:21,295 --> 01:28:25,175
Speaker 5: So because numbers like that, you know, sometimes they tend

1524
01:28:25,255 --> 01:28:27,255
Speaker 5: to we hear them and there it's in one ear

1525
01:28:27,295 --> 01:28:29,215
Speaker 5: and out the other. But what you're saying there is

1526
01:28:29,775 --> 01:28:35,895
Speaker 5: four tons, so four thousand kilos to five hundred Yeah, yeah, But.

1527
01:28:36,575 --> 01:28:39,255
Speaker 16: I think it's important to put this into perspective. So

1528
01:28:39,415 --> 01:28:43,295
Speaker 16: in a typical concrete slab on grade, steel accounts for

1529
01:28:43,455 --> 01:28:47,215
Speaker 16: only about let's say five percent of the volume, and

1530
01:28:47,455 --> 01:28:51,375
Speaker 16: concrete is ninety five to ninety six. But nevertheless, under

1531
01:28:51,415 --> 01:28:52,735
Speaker 16: previous production metals.

1532
01:28:52,815 --> 01:28:53,575
Speaker 6: With the old.

1533
01:28:55,055 --> 01:29:00,415
Speaker 16: Fog four ton, approximately two thirds of the embodied emissions

1534
01:29:00,735 --> 01:29:03,815
Speaker 16: of reinforced concrete came from the steel and only one

1535
01:29:03,895 --> 01:29:09,095
Speaker 16: third from the concrete itself. But by reducing steel emissions

1536
01:29:09,255 --> 01:29:14,855
Speaker 16: by about eighty seven percent, the overall emissions of reinforced

1537
01:29:14,895 --> 01:29:18,535
Speaker 16: concrete can be reduced by fifty to sixty percent. So

1538
01:29:19,135 --> 01:29:22,575
Speaker 16: looking at a thirty MPa concrete, that will reduce the

1539
01:29:22,655 --> 01:29:25,495
Speaker 16: emissions per cubic meter from around five hundred and fifty

1540
01:29:25,575 --> 01:29:28,895
Speaker 16: kilogram to two hundred and fifty kilogram, and these values

1541
01:29:28,935 --> 01:29:32,415
Speaker 16: are comparable to the em missions of timber theercubic meter.

1542
01:29:32,575 --> 01:29:37,615
Speaker 16: If biogenic carbon is excluded right now should possibly explain

1543
01:29:37,695 --> 01:29:41,975
Speaker 16: what biogenic carbon is. The biogenic carbon refers to carbon

1544
01:29:42,135 --> 01:29:46,575
Speaker 16: temporarily stored in materials like timber. So there's a chemical

1545
01:29:46,655 --> 01:29:49,975
Speaker 16: process that the carbon dioxide is taken up by the

1546
01:29:50,135 --> 01:29:54,055
Speaker 16: timber by the cells in it, says, but this storage

1547
01:29:54,135 --> 01:29:58,055
Speaker 16: is short term. Once the material decays or is burned,

1548
01:29:58,135 --> 01:30:01,535
Speaker 16: the carbon is released back into the atmosphere. So we're

1549
01:30:01,575 --> 01:30:05,135
Speaker 16: talking about the end of life of the building. Maybe

1550
01:30:05,215 --> 01:30:09,055
Speaker 16: after twenty, after fifty, or after sixty years that carbon

1551
01:30:09,135 --> 01:30:14,415
Speaker 16: will be released back into the atmosphere and concrete, by contrast,

1552
01:30:14,575 --> 01:30:19,975
Speaker 16: is recognized by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in

1553
01:30:20,135 --> 01:30:25,135
Speaker 16: twenty twenty one can store carbon permanently two carbonations, so

1554
01:30:25,295 --> 01:30:30,895
Speaker 16: the carbon dioxide reacts with calcium and oxygen to form

1555
01:30:31,815 --> 01:30:35,895
Speaker 16: calcium carbonate, which is limestone, so which locks the carbon

1556
01:30:35,975 --> 01:30:38,215
Speaker 16: into the material for the long term. This is not

1557
01:30:38,575 --> 01:30:42,015
Speaker 16: that much, but it's better than nothing. And with this

1558
01:30:42,215 --> 01:30:48,335
Speaker 16: combination of cement replacement, low carbon steel and natural carbonation,

1559
01:30:49,175 --> 01:30:53,135
Speaker 16: we are definitely certain we get to carbon net carbon

1560
01:30:53,215 --> 01:30:57,415
Speaker 16: zero by twenty fifty with so that's our vision. And

1561
01:30:58,615 --> 01:31:01,975
Speaker 16: also coming back to your earlier question, what is completely Zealand,

1562
01:31:02,095 --> 01:31:08,335
Speaker 16: we also have brought together all our concrete manufacturers to

1563
01:31:09,895 --> 01:31:12,935
Speaker 16: sign up to this vision. And maybe one important thing

1564
01:31:13,175 --> 01:31:17,175
Speaker 16: for what are what's concrete the Zealand And we have

1565
01:31:17,455 --> 01:31:21,055
Speaker 16: also the Concrete New Zealand Planned Audit Scheme. So what

1566
01:31:21,295 --> 01:31:24,015
Speaker 16: many people may not know is that the majority of

1567
01:31:24,095 --> 01:31:29,015
Speaker 16: concrete New Zealand is independently checked through this Planned Audit Scheme.

1568
01:31:29,135 --> 01:31:34,175
Speaker 16: So through us concrete reduced by our members is regularly

1569
01:31:34,255 --> 01:31:38,855
Speaker 16: tested under the scheme, which gives the engineers the certainty

1570
01:31:39,055 --> 01:31:43,615
Speaker 16: that the concrete is as specified. So otherwise you would

1571
01:31:43,695 --> 01:31:46,895
Speaker 16: be exposed to a costly and time consuming audit for

1572
01:31:47,055 --> 01:31:50,655
Speaker 16: concrete quality to each single project. So in simple terms,

1573
01:31:50,735 --> 01:31:54,015
Speaker 16: the scheme gives you confidence that the concrete supplied will

1574
01:31:54,095 --> 01:31:57,615
Speaker 16: perform as specified. At the moment, there are two hundred

1575
01:31:58,295 --> 01:32:02,935
Speaker 16: plants nationwide signed up to this scheme. And yes, this

1576
01:32:03,095 --> 01:32:05,735
Speaker 16: is also very important part we do as concret New

1577
01:32:05,815 --> 01:32:08,815
Speaker 16: Zealand you check on them as we check the qualities.

1578
01:32:10,015 --> 01:32:12,775
Speaker 5: Which I think is actually you know, because often we

1579
01:32:12,935 --> 01:32:17,455
Speaker 5: find that that companies with greatest respect will make claims right,

1580
01:32:17,695 --> 01:32:20,855
Speaker 5: you know, this this product performs this way, or it's

1581
01:32:20,935 --> 01:32:25,855
Speaker 5: of this standard, or it's it has this environmental you know,

1582
01:32:26,175 --> 01:32:29,255
Speaker 5: qualification to it, and then you go, so prove it

1583
01:32:30,215 --> 01:32:34,495
Speaker 5: and sometimes it's like, actually, we can't really prove it.

1584
01:32:34,535 --> 01:32:36,815
Speaker 5: And what you're saying is in terms of you know,

1585
01:32:37,015 --> 01:32:39,575
Speaker 5: because in the end, you know, concrete we often use.

1586
01:32:40,175 --> 01:32:42,735
Speaker 5: This is just from a practical point of view. You know,

1587
01:32:43,255 --> 01:32:46,415
Speaker 5: it's often the foundation of many buildings, right, so if

1588
01:32:46,895 --> 01:32:48,975
Speaker 5: as a carpenter, I might take care of all of

1589
01:32:49,055 --> 01:32:51,535
Speaker 5: the timber work above it, but I need to know

1590
01:32:51,775 --> 01:32:53,615
Speaker 5: and my clients need to know that the concrete that

1591
01:32:53,695 --> 01:32:56,615
Speaker 5: went into the foundations and the slab is going to

1592
01:32:56,815 --> 01:32:59,575
Speaker 5: be is going to perform as we expect it to

1593
01:32:59,655 --> 01:33:01,895
Speaker 5: in terms of strength and durability and so on.

1594
01:33:02,815 --> 01:33:06,735
Speaker 16: Yeah, you're absolutely right, so that that relates to quality,

1595
01:33:06,975 --> 01:33:12,375
Speaker 16: but that also relates to the claims we we spread

1596
01:33:12,415 --> 01:33:18,695
Speaker 16: in regards to carbon emissions, and so the carbon emission claims,

1597
01:33:18,735 --> 01:33:24,055
Speaker 16: they are supported by EPDs, so called Environmental product declarations,

1598
01:33:24,135 --> 01:33:31,855
Speaker 16: which are a third party, independent, third party checked statements

1599
01:33:31,975 --> 01:33:36,455
Speaker 16: and data. So epeds not only cover carbon dioxide, but

1600
01:33:36,575 --> 01:33:39,895
Speaker 16: they cover all kinds of gases because we have to

1601
01:33:39,975 --> 01:33:46,215
Speaker 16: consider we have to see the environment holistically, so we

1602
01:33:46,335 --> 01:33:49,895
Speaker 16: have to think of biodiversity. There are other gases which

1603
01:33:49,935 --> 01:33:55,255
Speaker 16: are maybe not bad or not contributing to climate change,

1604
01:33:55,295 --> 01:33:59,495
Speaker 16: but they would be bad for our respiratory rhydoons, you know. So,

1605
01:34:00,455 --> 01:34:04,255
Speaker 16: and most of the gases are covered in EPDs. There

1606
01:34:04,295 --> 01:34:09,375
Speaker 16: are several countries companies in the country who are able

1607
01:34:09,455 --> 01:34:15,095
Speaker 16: to conduct these right and verified and you're absolutely right,

1608
01:34:16,255 --> 01:34:21,895
Speaker 16: it has to be scientifically proven that or claims are

1609
01:34:22,015 --> 01:34:25,375
Speaker 16: true and hold up to scrutinity.

1610
01:34:25,415 --> 01:34:27,735
Speaker 5: Absolutely, we're going to take a break in a moment,

1611
01:34:27,775 --> 01:34:29,975
Speaker 5: but before we do, the thought that's in my mind

1612
01:34:30,055 --> 01:34:32,175
Speaker 5: is also you know, A big part of sort of

1613
01:34:32,255 --> 01:34:36,655
Speaker 5: sustainability is around controlling waste, and so I've got two

1614
01:34:36,735 --> 01:34:40,175
Speaker 5: quick questions on that. One is, you know, let's say

1615
01:34:40,255 --> 01:34:43,615
Speaker 5: you've ordered some concrete, you've done the drive, and then

1616
01:34:43,735 --> 01:34:46,375
Speaker 5: you realize that you didn't quite need as much as

1617
01:34:46,855 --> 01:34:49,695
Speaker 5: you needed, and so there's half a cubic meter or

1618
01:34:49,775 --> 01:34:52,735
Speaker 5: so still left in the truck. What happens to that

1619
01:34:52,855 --> 01:34:55,055
Speaker 5: when it goes back to the plant, Like, is any

1620
01:34:55,095 --> 01:34:58,735
Speaker 5: of that able to be not reused, because obviously it's

1621
01:34:58,775 --> 01:35:01,255
Speaker 5: it's going to go off, but the aggregate that's in

1622
01:35:01,335 --> 01:35:03,135
Speaker 5: there and that sort of thing, what happens there is

1623
01:35:03,215 --> 01:35:06,215
Speaker 5: that just waste or is it able to be reused

1624
01:35:06,295 --> 01:35:06,775
Speaker 5: in some way?

1625
01:35:07,495 --> 01:35:09,815
Speaker 16: Well, in the past it has been wasted, but say

1626
01:35:10,175 --> 01:35:13,855
Speaker 16: since the last six to seven years, and we have

1627
01:35:15,295 --> 01:35:20,335
Speaker 16: measures to take the leftover concrete and they are basically

1628
01:35:20,535 --> 01:35:25,695
Speaker 16: cars into forms, and the result is we have large,

1629
01:35:25,855 --> 01:35:30,055
Speaker 16: maybe oversized blocks which can be reduced for coastal production,

1630
01:35:30,455 --> 01:35:32,895
Speaker 16: but also for organizing a yard on a farm. We

1631
01:35:33,215 --> 01:35:37,335
Speaker 16: just want to have your you know, storage sorted that

1632
01:35:37,495 --> 01:35:43,855
Speaker 16: has been done. And because the architect or engineer or

1633
01:35:43,895 --> 01:35:47,935
Speaker 16: build our contract or whatever need enough concrete on site,

1634
01:35:47,975 --> 01:35:50,935
Speaker 16: they always order a little bit more, a little bit

1635
01:35:51,015 --> 01:35:54,615
Speaker 16: of surplus to not run out of concrete suddenly. So

1636
01:35:54,735 --> 01:35:59,135
Speaker 16: there's always a leftover and our plans have take the

1637
01:35:59,255 --> 01:36:03,375
Speaker 16: necessary steps and yeah, all the leftovers will be cars

1638
01:36:03,415 --> 01:36:05,335
Speaker 16: into forms back on the plant.

1639
01:36:06,535 --> 01:36:09,615
Speaker 5: Right Well, that's and actually it's a bigger question than

1640
01:36:09,615 --> 01:36:11,375
Speaker 5: we've got time for right now. So take a short

1641
01:36:11,415 --> 01:36:13,535
Speaker 5: break and I want to look at sort of end

1642
01:36:13,575 --> 01:36:15,255
Speaker 5: of life, what we might be able to do with

1643
01:36:15,335 --> 01:36:17,895
Speaker 5: concrete end of life. So Ralph Kessel from Concrete, New

1644
01:36:17,935 --> 01:36:20,335
Speaker 5: Zealand is my guest this morning. It is eight point

1645
01:36:20,335 --> 01:36:23,655
Speaker 5: twenty with News Talk SEB. We'll be back with Ralph after.

1646
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1669
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Speaker 5: with his time this morning, Rough Kessel from Concrete, New Zealand,

1670
01:37:47,575 --> 01:37:50,335
Speaker 5: thanks again for joining us. I'll try and hit a

1671
01:37:50,335 --> 01:37:52,495
Speaker 5: couple of texts in a minute. But the other thing

1672
01:37:52,575 --> 01:37:56,735
Speaker 5: that I think has been an interesting change is in

1673
01:37:56,855 --> 01:38:02,055
Speaker 5: a sense the recycling reuse of left either demolition, concrete

1674
01:38:03,015 --> 01:38:06,495
Speaker 5: and so on. So are we seeing more providers being

1675
01:38:06,535 --> 01:38:12,055
Speaker 5: able to accept demolition material. You know I've cut up

1676
01:38:12,175 --> 01:38:14,375
Speaker 5: part of a driveway and I need to dispose of that.

1677
01:38:15,455 --> 01:38:18,735
Speaker 5: Whereas it used to go just hard fill to landfill,

1678
01:38:19,175 --> 01:38:21,135
Speaker 5: it's now being repurposed.

1679
01:38:22,895 --> 01:38:27,095
Speaker 16: Yes, there are definitely schemes in place and being in

1680
01:38:27,255 --> 01:38:30,575
Speaker 16: Auckland Green Gorilla for example, is one or larger ones.

1681
01:38:30,615 --> 01:38:35,255
Speaker 16: They take conc they take construction waste, and amongst that

1682
01:38:35,335 --> 01:38:38,775
Speaker 16: there is concrete waste and as I mentioned in my

1683
01:38:38,895 --> 01:38:41,615
Speaker 16: last interview that the bulk of it will be used

1684
01:38:41,695 --> 01:38:46,135
Speaker 16: for hardfill, for back strainable backfill around properties, et cetera.

1685
01:38:47,015 --> 01:38:54,855
Speaker 16: But were just ending with waste management before the break

1686
01:38:55,095 --> 01:39:03,775
Speaker 16: and so the use of repurposed demolition waste and also

1687
01:39:03,895 --> 01:39:07,695
Speaker 16: less of cards into blocks. It doesn't end there. So

1688
01:39:08,455 --> 01:39:11,535
Speaker 16: we have to look at the production of concrete as well.

1689
01:39:11,695 --> 01:39:15,415
Speaker 16: Where we have a lot of heat to generate for

1690
01:39:15,575 --> 01:39:18,095
Speaker 16: the kill. That's actually where the emissions come from from

1691
01:39:18,135 --> 01:39:21,775
Speaker 16: the kiln, from the process where we manufacture the cement.

1692
01:39:22,855 --> 01:39:26,015
Speaker 16: So the one part of the emissions comes from a

1693
01:39:26,095 --> 01:39:29,135
Speaker 16: chemical process within the kill when we separate the line

1694
01:39:29,135 --> 01:39:32,135
Speaker 16: from the limestone to gain the cement, and the other

1695
01:39:32,295 --> 01:39:36,775
Speaker 16: part is the fossil fuel coal which we use to

1696
01:39:36,855 --> 01:39:40,095
Speaker 16: heat the kilns up to fourteen hundred degrees and here

1697
01:39:40,215 --> 01:39:44,735
Speaker 16: we use now waste materials as well for heating the kilns.

1698
01:39:44,775 --> 01:39:47,935
Speaker 16: The first one is waste timber and the second one

1699
01:39:48,015 --> 01:39:52,815
Speaker 16: is actually old car tires. And I call you that

1700
01:39:53,015 --> 01:39:55,615
Speaker 16: I think you may have heard about that the bulk

1701
01:39:55,695 --> 01:39:58,015
Speaker 16: of old car tires in New Zealand is used by

1702
01:39:58,055 --> 01:40:01,535
Speaker 16: the cement industry whether replace the coal as a fuel.

1703
01:40:02,335 --> 01:40:07,295
Speaker 16: This scheme has also reduced illegal tire dumping around fifty percent.

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01:40:08,815 --> 01:40:11,655
Speaker 16: And I should mention that our cimento industry has gas

1705
01:40:11,695 --> 01:40:15,935
Speaker 16: cleaning filter systems in place to manage all emissions responsibly.

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01:40:16,175 --> 01:40:20,255
Speaker 16: So there's a lot going on in achieving also not

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01:40:20,535 --> 01:40:23,615
Speaker 16: just cavern zero by twenty fifty, but also to achieve

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01:40:23,695 --> 01:40:28,615
Speaker 16: a fully operating circular economy within the concrete industry.

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01:40:29,775 --> 01:40:32,375
Speaker 5: Because sometimes people will ask, well, if I you know

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01:40:32,935 --> 01:40:35,015
Speaker 5: there used to be a quarry near me that would

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01:40:35,055 --> 01:40:39,615
Speaker 5: take you know, liftover concrete or waste concrete. You cut

1712
01:40:39,695 --> 01:40:41,815
Speaker 5: up a driveway, put it on the trailer, dump it there.

1713
01:40:42,095 --> 01:40:44,055
Speaker 5: They'd seen it through the crusher and turn it into

1714
01:40:44,135 --> 01:40:48,255
Speaker 5: hard filt, which was great because there is a challenge

1715
01:40:48,375 --> 01:40:53,535
Speaker 5: with the idea of crushing used concrete and reusing the

1716
01:40:53,735 --> 01:40:55,735
Speaker 5: aggregate in new concrete isn't there.

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01:40:57,055 --> 01:40:59,535
Speaker 16: Yes, that can be done as well, but you have

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01:40:59,655 --> 01:41:04,055
Speaker 16: to be careful once if you don't know the original

1719
01:41:04,175 --> 01:41:08,135
Speaker 16: location or source of that regard, it may it may

1720
01:41:08,215 --> 01:41:11,295
Speaker 16: be more difficult to understand the finer quality and maybe

1721
01:41:11,335 --> 01:41:13,815
Speaker 16: even the compressive strength which we have to test anyway.

1722
01:41:13,935 --> 01:41:17,215
Speaker 16: But so it's important that in all the source of

1723
01:41:17,375 --> 01:41:22,335
Speaker 16: the aggregat. And it's also time consuming and ended it

1724
01:41:22,455 --> 01:41:27,575
Speaker 16: consuming to get just really the pabblets and the agregots

1725
01:41:28,015 --> 01:41:32,815
Speaker 16: away from some smentitious parts, So that's not ideas. So

1726
01:41:33,055 --> 01:41:37,055
Speaker 16: what we see more and more is that the concrete

1727
01:41:37,055 --> 01:41:40,655
Speaker 16: demolition waste is crushed and then used for for backfield

1728
01:41:40,855 --> 01:41:45,895
Speaker 16: under rolling and around also for coastal protection partly. So

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01:41:46,255 --> 01:41:48,615
Speaker 16: there are lots of things happening.

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01:41:49,775 --> 01:41:52,775
Speaker 5: And I guess what that does is that substitutes let's say,

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01:41:52,855 --> 01:41:56,615
Speaker 5: virgin material, you know, from a quarry going directly from

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01:41:56,655 --> 01:41:58,935
Speaker 5: a quarry to just being the base course that my

1733
01:41:59,095 --> 01:42:04,255
Speaker 5: driveway sits on. I'm better off using crush concrete recycled

1734
01:42:04,895 --> 01:42:06,055
Speaker 5: for that type of purpose.

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01:42:06,535 --> 01:42:11,775
Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely, I mean the recycled material that's all very

1736
01:42:11,815 --> 01:42:16,135
Speaker 16: professionally done. It will will be run through sieves so

1737
01:42:16,335 --> 01:42:19,815
Speaker 16: we get our gap sizes, whatever pebble sizes they need

1738
01:42:20,415 --> 01:42:24,335
Speaker 16: for the project, So you can choose really from the

1739
01:42:24,455 --> 01:42:28,895
Speaker 16: shelves that various gap sizes for your projects from recycled material.

1740
01:42:29,255 --> 01:42:32,095
Speaker 16: That's definitely happening. But the other thing which you may

1741
01:42:32,215 --> 01:42:37,735
Speaker 16: find interesting, that we see new construction ways and not true.

1742
01:42:37,735 --> 01:42:39,815
Speaker 16: If you heard about three D printing.

1743
01:42:41,295 --> 01:42:44,335
Speaker 5: Factory, I've seen one of them, absolutely, yes, so.

1744
01:42:44,855 --> 01:42:48,055
Speaker 16: And that's so three DE concrete printing is definitely becoming

1745
01:42:48,135 --> 01:42:51,775
Speaker 16: more mainstream, at least in the US. What we see

1746
01:42:51,935 --> 01:42:54,975
Speaker 16: there is that three D printed homes are now costly

1747
01:42:55,295 --> 01:42:59,055
Speaker 16: neutral already or even cheaper than timber framed houses. They are.

1748
01:42:59,295 --> 01:43:03,295
Speaker 16: They're also popular because they're withstand weather events, which is

1749
01:43:03,375 --> 01:43:06,775
Speaker 16: becoming increasing important. As a reminder, you may just look

1750
01:43:06,815 --> 01:43:11,695
Speaker 16: outside walk your window to awful. They are wind and

1751
01:43:12,335 --> 01:43:15,455
Speaker 16: noise resistant too, which you really notice on lust three days.

1752
01:43:16,375 --> 01:43:20,055
Speaker 16: And then as climate change brings more fire risks, these

1753
01:43:20,375 --> 01:43:27,415
Speaker 16: concrete houses are naturally fire resistant. For comparison, one hundred

1754
01:43:27,455 --> 01:43:33,095
Speaker 16: millimeters concrete world gives you around sixty minutes of fire resistance. Typically,

1755
01:43:33,175 --> 01:43:35,975
Speaker 16: structure walls even thicker one hundred and fifty millimeter, which

1756
01:43:36,015 --> 01:43:38,775
Speaker 16: gives you almost two hours, so that gives people a

1757
01:43:38,815 --> 01:43:43,295
Speaker 16: good shelter and peace of mind and also combating climate change.

1758
01:43:43,375 --> 01:43:47,815
Speaker 16: We shall use local materials, so concrete is a local material.

1759
01:43:47,935 --> 01:43:52,215
Speaker 16: We don't have packaging. There are no large shipping distances,

1760
01:43:52,735 --> 01:43:58,295
Speaker 16: right yeah. So, and the other thing which I find

1761
01:43:58,935 --> 01:44:01,455
Speaker 16: at least in the US, that some people like to

1762
01:44:01,575 --> 01:44:04,215
Speaker 16: have a distinctive home, and a three DEEP printed home

1763
01:44:04,295 --> 01:44:07,695
Speaker 16: is definitely a very distinctive. So this is another reason

1764
01:44:07,775 --> 01:44:10,535
Speaker 16: why three D printed houses pick up in the US.

1765
01:44:11,575 --> 01:44:14,495
Speaker 16: So in New Zealand at the moment there are so

1766
01:44:14,695 --> 01:44:19,215
Speaker 16: far only four projects, including two in Auckland too in Hamilton,

1767
01:44:19,295 --> 01:44:22,015
Speaker 16: and one of them as a daycare center. So it

1768
01:44:22,855 --> 01:44:26,335
Speaker 16: takes a better while until we get to that stage.

1769
01:44:26,615 --> 01:44:30,975
Speaker 16: So the mix is always a little bit different, small viscouss,

1770
01:44:31,255 --> 01:44:37,055
Speaker 16: it has less, a smaller aggregat to be fed into

1771
01:44:37,175 --> 01:44:40,615
Speaker 16: the three D printer, et cetera. But I see that

1772
01:44:40,775 --> 01:44:45,135
Speaker 16: definitely coming. And three D printing means less people on

1773
01:44:45,295 --> 01:44:50,495
Speaker 16: the ground, but also it also means less injuries, less

1774
01:44:50,535 --> 01:44:54,895
Speaker 16: health and safety risks, so it's just cleaner building site.

1775
01:44:55,495 --> 01:44:57,775
Speaker 16: We will see this in the future. It's not quite

1776
01:44:57,855 --> 01:45:00,695
Speaker 16: there where we have it in the US, and maybe

1777
01:45:00,775 --> 01:45:05,135
Speaker 16: other European countries. That's definitely coming and we can.

1778
01:45:05,135 --> 01:45:08,815
Speaker 5: Do lost lucky enough to visit the Auckland one and

1779
01:45:09,135 --> 01:45:11,975
Speaker 5: one of the ones in Hamilton, So it is real.

1780
01:45:12,535 --> 01:45:15,655
Speaker 5: It's just that, you know, we've got the space to go. Hey,

1781
01:45:15,855 --> 01:45:18,095
Speaker 5: is there space for innovation and is there more than

1782
01:45:18,215 --> 01:45:20,095
Speaker 5: just one way to do everything?

1783
01:45:20,335 --> 01:45:20,495
Speaker 7: You know?

1784
01:45:21,015 --> 01:45:23,695
Speaker 5: And I think that's where it is really really exciting.

1785
01:45:24,535 --> 01:45:26,735
Speaker 5: Excuse me, just before we go, I've got this text

1786
01:45:26,815 --> 01:45:31,135
Speaker 5: from Darren. Hey, We've just purchased thirty of those leftover blocks,

1787
01:45:31,455 --> 01:45:33,535
Speaker 5: nine hundred by nine hundred and nine hundred. They've got

1788
01:45:33,575 --> 01:45:35,855
Speaker 5: a lifting hoc on them. We utilize them on the

1789
01:45:35,895 --> 01:45:39,535
Speaker 5: Farmer's Flood Protection and Bank Stabilization said. We paid ten

1790
01:45:39,615 --> 01:45:42,135
Speaker 5: bucks each for them, which makes them very cost effective

1791
01:45:42,255 --> 01:45:44,415
Speaker 5: even after the freight. So there you go. That's a

1792
01:45:44,495 --> 01:45:47,375
Speaker 5: classic example of what you're saying. You know, trucks returning

1793
01:45:47,575 --> 01:45:51,055
Speaker 5: with some surplus concrete gets poured into forms that then

1794
01:45:51,455 --> 01:45:54,415
Speaker 5: and I you know, goes out to farms and yards

1795
01:45:54,535 --> 01:45:59,615
Speaker 5: and storage facilities and all sorts. So it is real.

1796
01:45:59,735 --> 01:46:02,415
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's really exciting when an

1797
01:46:02,455 --> 01:46:06,775
Speaker 5: industry responds to the challenges and you know, in the

1798
01:46:06,895 --> 01:46:10,095
Speaker 5: sense we all know for very good reasons. We've got

1799
01:46:10,135 --> 01:46:13,615
Speaker 5: a concern around carbon and the carbon used in construction

1800
01:46:13,935 --> 01:46:15,815
Speaker 5: and it's a huge part of the amount of carbon

1801
01:46:15,855 --> 01:46:18,615
Speaker 5: that we use in New Zealand, right, so every part

1802
01:46:18,695 --> 01:46:22,175
Speaker 5: of the construction sector needs to address it's the way

1803
01:46:22,215 --> 01:46:24,895
Speaker 5: in which it deals with that, and obviously Concrete New

1804
01:46:24,975 --> 01:46:28,015
Speaker 5: Zealand is part of that as well. Ralph. I think

1805
01:46:28,015 --> 01:46:31,335
Speaker 5: we're going to get you back and have a bit

1806
01:46:31,415 --> 01:46:33,415
Speaker 5: more of a chat than a couple of weeks or

1807
01:46:33,455 --> 01:46:35,575
Speaker 5: a few months or so as well. But my thanks

1808
01:46:35,615 --> 01:46:37,415
Speaker 5: to you for giving up mer time on a Sunday morning.

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01:46:37,775 --> 01:46:39,095
Speaker 5: Really appreciate it this morning.

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01:46:39,855 --> 01:46:41,335
Speaker 13: Thank you very much. Be lovely to chat.

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01:46:42,215 --> 01:46:45,495
Speaker 5: Take care. Ralph Kessel from Concrete end Z.

1812
01:46:47,655 --> 01:46:47,855
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1813
01:46:48,735 --> 01:46:51,735
Speaker 5: Yeah, I find the whole thing, you know, in terms

1814
01:46:51,775 --> 01:46:53,975
Speaker 5: of how we have to respond to carbon, how we

1815
01:46:54,095 --> 01:46:57,175
Speaker 5: have to respond to life cycle, how we deal with

1816
01:46:57,495 --> 01:47:02,135
Speaker 5: the waste that our sector generates, which is appallingly large.

1817
01:47:02,935 --> 01:47:06,655
Speaker 5: Let's not make any bones about that. Construction sect is

1818
01:47:06,975 --> 01:47:12,415
Speaker 5: shockingly wasteful and we do all need to do a

1819
01:47:12,575 --> 01:47:14,815
Speaker 5: hell of a lot better. Your news talk said b

1820
01:47:15,095 --> 01:47:17,775
Speaker 5: it is eight point thirty four quick break and then

1821
01:47:18,175 --> 01:47:19,975
Speaker 5: we've got a couple of calls and then we're having

1822
01:47:20,215 --> 01:47:23,095
Speaker 5: a bit of a chat with through It about compost.

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01:47:23,975 --> 01:47:28,775
Speaker 4: Where DIY gets unstuck. Call oh eight eight.

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