1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Real Team, the 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: only truly global brand. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: In huddle of this this evening. Sarah Trupman, Business Mentor's 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: chief executive. Rob Campbell at Chancellor, former Health New Zealand chair, 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: holl are you too? Rob thoughts on the report. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 3: Well, I haven't read the whole report, which I guarantee 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 3: most people are commenting on it haven't done. But from 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: what I have seen, it's been a reasonably fair summation 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: of the submissions that they were receiving, so I think 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: it's probably useful enough in its own right. The thing 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: that I'm disappointed about is how much people seem to 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: want to politicize it and fingerpoint and try and score 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 3: points about it, rather than just sitting back and saying, well, 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: these things were done. A lot of at worked, some 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: of things were not done as you would do with hindsights, 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 3: and we should all learn from those. So it's all good. 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: That's what these reports are for. I support it from 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: what I've been able to read. 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: Sarah, what do you think, oh row gosh, you are 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 4: something a flippant? You clearly werened a business owner that 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 4: lost six hundred thousand dollars in the Level four lockdown 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 4: in Auckland and twenty twenty. But the two key things 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 4: stood out for me and I have deep concerns over those, 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 4: and I'll share one of them now, and if the 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 4: conversation hits that way, I'm happy to share the second. 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: But that Aucklanders were in lockdown for thirty two days 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: longer than they needed to be was really upsetting. Remember, 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: Aucklanders were already facing some of the longest restrictions in 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 4: the world, and as a business person and a funeral celebrant, 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: I can tell you from first hand experience Aucklanders were 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 4: hurting emotionally and financially and to learn that we endured 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: that pain for longer than we needed to is not 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 4: going to land well with Auckland, is tonight. 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: No, you're quite right, and that is to do obviously 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: with the Auckland boundary that was up for much longer 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: than it was necessary. All Right, We'll take a break, 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: come back to you guys shortly. 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, a name 39 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally. 40 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: Write you back with the Huddle. Sarah Truppman and Rob Campbell, Sarah, 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: what did you make of the Wellington leaders writing to 42 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: the government to say that I want to do the 43 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:13,559 Speaker 2: move on orders? 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: Oh well, I'm elected on the Auction Council's Write and 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 4: Local Board and sadly, what I'm seeing here is this 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 4: issue is being used for political posturing rather than really 47 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 4: allowing a democratic process to unfold. So you know, any 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: amendment of the summary eventuals that will of course go 49 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: through a full parliamentary process with public submissions and to 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 4: elect committee screwediny expert advice and the debate in the 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 4: House that'll take months. So no need for real urgency 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: as the Washington Local Board has pushed through recently. But 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 4: two things. First is don't presume everyone begging is homeless. 54 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: And secondly, the move on order is not a criminal charge. 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: It's an opportunity to move people out of doorways of 56 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: businesses or people that are displaying disorderly behavior in public spaces. 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 4: So it's about public safety and giving officers practical tools 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 4: to intervene early before situations escalate. 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah too, right now, Rob, I'm of the view that 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: if this is what the entire Wellington region's leaders want, 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: then they should be allowed to if they don't want 62 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: to use the move on orders. They shouldn't have to 63 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: use the move on orders. What do you think I'm. 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: Becoming a libertarian there along with you. I certainly think 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: they shouldn't have to use them if they don't want to, 66 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: And frankly, I think it's a diversion from the real 67 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: issues of poverty, of homelessness, which is part of the problem, 68 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: of mental illness, which is part of the problem. There's 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: a whole lot of problems leading to these things, and 70 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: the move on order is really just a we're going 71 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: to look tough and do something about it, and it's 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: not dealing with any. 73 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: Of the real issues going to go though, Rob, do 74 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: you think they're going to end up like some sort 75 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: of a sanctuary city for homeless and we're in New Zealand. 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: I would hope that we're better people than that, and 77 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: I think we are, so I'm pretty optimistic about it. 78 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: I think that people won't be keen to use this. 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: If it is used, it'll be used in the most 80 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: care and way possible, and it will keep focused on 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: trying to find solutions for social problems, not blame the 82 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: people that end up on the rc end of them. 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah, I think if they don't use them and 84 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: everybody else uses them, it's going to set Wellington apart 85 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: in a way that probably isn't good for Wellington. What 86 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: do you think? 87 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 4: Look, I agree, we've got to remember, of course that 88 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: these issues that's starting to escalate, and retailers here in 89 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: Auckland are certainly set up with not having any support 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 4: to move people on who have to be clambered over 91 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 4: if a customer wants to get through the door. And 92 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 4: remember small businesses are already facing rising costs and economic pressure, 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: so expecting them to manage a lot. 94 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time wondering. 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 4: But what I will say, finally, I'm living. 96 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: In a fantasy world, so no, I'm not. 97 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: There is legally recognize cases of refuge within those move 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: or on order frameworks like stay the City mission, and 99 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 4: that's where somebody can go to be safe and there's 100 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: appropriate level of support for vulnerable people. 101 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: Ronant, it's a fantasy world to hear that, you know 102 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: it is. If you walk around the streets of Auckland 103 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: or Wellington, and I've done both a lot recently, there's 104 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: not anything like the problem that for some of the 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: hysteria about this would suggest there are a lot of 106 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: people in our community who are living lives that are 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: far from ideal for themselves or for anyone else. We 108 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: know some of the social answers to these things, and 109 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: we should be concentrating on them. This kind of vigilante 110 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 3: idea that seems to have got hold that you've got 111 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: to do something about it. We've got to look tough, 112 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: we've got to move them on, we've got to make 113 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: them wrong. All of that is exactly against the advice 114 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: of everybody that deals with this in the real world. 115 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: So it's just a fantasy created. It's a comic version 116 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: of policy. 117 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: So the other day I went down to and I 118 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: went down for luncheon Commercial Bay in Auckland, right and 119 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: I got out of the uber a bit early, so 120 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: I had to walk around the block and there was 121 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: this bloke just like passed out. It was midday, passed out, 122 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: not in the corner, across the footpath, and all of 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: us tourists and everybody rate payers had to walk around 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: and will step over. It was a proper obstruction. Now 125 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: you cannot tell me that you're okay with that, and 126 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: that it's not a good idea to get that bloke 127 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: up and move them out of the way so people 128 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: can use the footpath we've paid for. You can't tell 129 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: me you're okay with that. 130 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: I think it's very unfortunate that this person was in 131 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 3: that situation that I don't if we leave in mind 132 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: there had been offered, if assistance had been offered to 133 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: that person, not just on that occasion, but prior to that, 134 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: before he got onto that state. I frequently, and you 135 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: have too, walked out of Commercial Bay and other places 136 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: like that and found drunken businessmen not lying on the 137 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: pavement but certainly doing things. Had gotten away just as 138 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: much as that. And so there's a person who was. 139 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: This rule for a day. 140 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: We'll drunken disorderly, Rob. We have laws to stop drunken 141 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: business people making scenes out hang on. 142 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: I thought you were saying we needed a new law 143 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: to deal with it. 144 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: No, No, by all means I'm using got Lord. 145 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: To Delbert that we don't need to move on. Lord. 146 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: Do you know for your example, listen, he's not disorderly, right, 147 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: he's just lying there. So you need to move on 148 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: order to get rid of and you do, don't you know? 149 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: You don't need that at all. He could have been 150 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: offered assistance to move. And I don't know anything about 151 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: that case, but let's just say the person was comma 152 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: tasted as a result of of alcohol or drugs or whatever. 153 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: Then that person needed help. That person did not need 154 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: to be punished. No point in giving them a two 155 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: thousand dollar fine or giving them to move on. That 156 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: person needed help. And when people need help, we should 157 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: give them help. 158 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we should give them help and move them on. First, guys, 159 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: thank you very much, appreciate it. 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