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Speaker 1: Now, Russian President Vladimir Putin has arrived in North Korea

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Speaker 1: for the meeting with Kim Jong un. Putin reportedly opened

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Speaker 1: talks by thanking Kim for his support on Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: saying he admired Pyongyang's transformation over the past twenty four years.

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Speaker 1: None of us can confirm that anything's happened there. We

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it, Kim Jong un said, relations between their

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Speaker 1: two countries are entering a period of new prosperity. International

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Speaker 1: relations professor Robert Patman from Otago Universities with us, Hey, Robert,

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Speaker 1: what do they want from each other?

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's a sort of dictator solidarity meeting, really, isn't it. Basically?

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Speaker 2: In September last year, Kim Jong un met Putin in

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Speaker 2: vladith Fostok, and that marked the beginning of were not

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Speaker 2: the beginning, but a landmark in North Korean military support

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Speaker 2: for Russian the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and both South

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Speaker 2: Korean and Ukrainian sources have confirmed that northibilistic missiles as

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Speaker 2: well as a variety of munitions have turned up on

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Speaker 2: the battlefield there. And I think mister Putin's visit on

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Speaker 2: this occasion is to consolidate that North Korean support military

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Speaker 2: support as in return, I think North Korea will want

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Speaker 2: mister Putin to provide a variety of advanced technologies, particularly

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Speaker 2: for their space program, but also would want a substantial

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Speaker 2: flow of Russian oil and food products this country. North

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Speaker 2: Korea under this dictatorship often struggles to feed its population.

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Speaker 2: So and also I think the North Korean regime would

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Speaker 2: be looking for hard currency payments as well for their

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Speaker 2: support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And to be

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Speaker 2: you know, mister Putin wasn't exaggerating when he said that

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Speaker 2: he was very, very grateful for North Korean support, because

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Speaker 2: I think North Korea is one of the few countries

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Speaker 2: that from the outset back the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: In quite unambiguous terms, does Kim have.

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Speaker 1: The upper hand he had, given that he has the

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Speaker 1: weapons and Russia needs the weapons.

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Speaker 2: It's upper hand both states are, you know, they both

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Speaker 2: find themselves the subject of pretty comprehensive sanctions. And one

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Speaker 2: of mister Putin's remarks was that they were combating the West.

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Speaker 2: And the interesting thing is that, you know, mister Putin

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Speaker 2: in a sense is saying that in their opposition to

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Speaker 2: the West that they're winning. And I suppose in a

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Speaker 2: sense it's not surprising that mister Putin is looking for

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Speaker 2: support from North Korea. He does need as a matter

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Speaker 2: of urgency at military support. He gets it from indirectly

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Speaker 2: from China, but he's also getting it directly from North Korea.

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Speaker 2: China's official position is neutral, which complicates the open provision

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Speaker 2: of military aid. North Korea has no such reservations, and

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Speaker 2: it's another authorit chairing regime in Iran, which also provides

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Speaker 2: support for put into invasion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: So we are getting increasingly involved as a country, New

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Speaker 1: Zealand with what is going on in North Korea. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've been having a look at what they're doing with

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Speaker 1: the Poseidon and we're now sending it in Zidiya, Frigid

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Speaker 1: and so on to help monitor. Is this the West

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Speaker 1: ratcheting up pressure on these guys.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a recognition by New Zealand that there's

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Speaker 2: a lot at stake in the Ukraine conflict and North

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Speaker 2: Korea is an actor, it's a player in the Russian

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Speaker 2: invasion of Ukraine. This is a you know, this is

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Speaker 2: an act which tore up the UN Charter as a

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Speaker 2: direct threat to New Zealand's interests. After all, mister Putin

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Speaker 2: gets away with annecting Land from a liberal, deemocratic neighbor

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Speaker 2: which has given up its nuclear weapons. That has direct

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Speaker 2: ramifications for New Zealand. After all, we conduct our relations

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Speaker 2: with countries around the world more than one hundred on

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Speaker 2: the basis of rules. If mister Putin succeeds in showing

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Speaker 2: that might is right, that has ramifications for us.

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Speaker 1: Hey, our navy said that they had seen some sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, anti sanctioned trading that was going on,

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Speaker 1: where the ships were hooking up with each other in

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Speaker 1: the sea and transferring coal and so on. If they

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Speaker 1: were who's trading with North Korea? Who would that be?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. That's the first I've heard

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Speaker 2: of that report, So I couldn't really comment on that.

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Speaker 1: Heaver, Well, you need to listen to the show more.

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Speaker 2: I certainly will after this, But Mark Exams that's probably

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Speaker 2: why I've been a bit distracted. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's just a lot of information coming in.

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Speaker 2: I think regimes under sanctions kind the variety of ways

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Speaker 2: around it, and mister Putin has evaded the intent of

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Speaker 2: Western sanctions, largely through India and China, who both you know,

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Speaker 2: bought Russian oil and Russia is largely depend on the

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Speaker 2: export fossil fuels. So you know, there's a number of

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Speaker 2: countries which you come to mind that may be helping

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Speaker 2: North Korea out in that situation. Yeah, but yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I can't be more specific now, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Robert, thank you, as always be the expertise appreciated. It's

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Speaker 1: Robert Patman, International Relations professor, Otago University.

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