1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news talks It b 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: follow this and our wide range of podcast now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,693 --> 00:00:19,733 Speaker 1: It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 4 00:00:19,773 --> 00:00:24,813 Speaker 1: the information, all the debates of the now the Leyton 5 00:00:24,933 --> 00:00:27,493 Speaker 1: Smith Podcast powered by news talks It. 6 00:00:27,613 --> 00:00:30,253 Speaker 2: Be Welcome to the best of the Laton Smith Podcast 7 00:00:30,333 --> 00:00:33,293 Speaker 2: for the fifteenth of January. I've got to get used 8 00:00:33,333 --> 00:00:38,413 Speaker 2: to this. Twenty twenty five an interview today that was 9 00:00:39,213 --> 00:00:44,173 Speaker 2: enormously popular with many many people in this country Doctor 10 00:00:44,253 --> 00:00:48,093 Speaker 2: Paul Merrick, who was one of the frontline doctors in 11 00:00:48,173 --> 00:00:51,973 Speaker 2: the war against the way that COVID was being handled. 12 00:00:52,653 --> 00:00:55,693 Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Merrick belongs to a group of physicians who 13 00:00:55,773 --> 00:01:00,413 Speaker 2: have devoted their lives to their patient's survival, had effectively 14 00:01:00,453 --> 00:01:04,573 Speaker 2: been punished for it. Disgustingly say, how can a man 15 00:01:04,613 --> 00:01:08,853 Speaker 2: with a reputation as the most published and influential clinician 16 00:01:08,973 --> 00:01:12,693 Speaker 2: and researcher in critical care medicine in the United States 17 00:01:13,533 --> 00:01:17,133 Speaker 2: be forced from his career. Not only that, a book 18 00:01:17,173 --> 00:01:22,853 Speaker 2: that Paul Merrick had published was banned by Amazon over 19 00:01:22,893 --> 00:01:25,013 Speaker 2: a period I think of about four years. The book 20 00:01:25,053 --> 00:01:28,573 Speaker 2: is called Cancer Care, and I found out from Paul 21 00:01:28,613 --> 00:01:34,293 Speaker 2: Merrick only recently that the book has now been reinstated 22 00:01:35,133 --> 00:01:38,373 Speaker 2: on Amazon and you can buy it from Amazon Australia 23 00:01:38,413 --> 00:01:41,613 Speaker 2: at at a very reasonable price. I think it's thirteen 24 00:01:41,653 --> 00:01:47,653 Speaker 2: dollars something from Amazon in Australian dollars, and of course 25 00:01:47,653 --> 00:01:49,693 Speaker 2: you have to ship it over, but you know, you 26 00:01:49,733 --> 00:01:52,893 Speaker 2: get it here for about twenty bucks. So anybody who 27 00:01:52,893 --> 00:01:56,453 Speaker 2: wants it, it's now available, which shows you the turn 28 00:01:56,493 --> 00:01:58,813 Speaker 2: of the tire, doesn't it when it was banned because 29 00:01:59,613 --> 00:02:03,973 Speaker 2: well it was being trashed. Now it's not trashed anymore 30 00:02:04,533 --> 00:02:09,653 Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. Let me quote you something from from Amazon. 31 00:02:10,373 --> 00:02:14,493 Speaker 2: This is a review of the published literature showing options 32 00:02:14,533 --> 00:02:18,013 Speaker 2: for repurpose drugs that can be used in cancer treatment. 33 00:02:18,453 --> 00:02:22,253 Speaker 2: It is not intended as a standalone guide to treating cancer. 34 00:02:22,413 --> 00:02:25,253 Speaker 2: The goal is to provide a well researched clearing house 35 00:02:25,293 --> 00:02:30,093 Speaker 2: of information that picks up where traditional cancer therapies leave off. 36 00:02:30,733 --> 00:02:34,493 Speaker 2: Providers caring for cancer patients can use this information to 37 00:02:34,973 --> 00:02:39,693 Speaker 2: think creatively about readily available interventions with science to back 38 00:02:39,773 --> 00:02:45,413 Speaker 2: up their efficacy that could improve their patient's outcome. The 39 00:02:45,453 --> 00:02:48,973 Speaker 2: second edition of Cancer Care expands on the concepts of 40 00:02:49,093 --> 00:02:53,413 Speaker 2: the first edition, so with that we shall hear from 41 00:02:53,733 --> 00:02:57,013 Speaker 2: doctor Paul Merrick, and we discussed other matters as well, 42 00:02:57,053 --> 00:02:59,293 Speaker 2: by the way, but we'll get to Paul Merrick right 43 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:14,053 Speaker 2: after a short break. Latam Smith Leverrix is an antihistamine 44 00:03:14,093 --> 00:03:17,933 Speaker 2: made in Switzerland to the highest quality. Leverix relieves hay 45 00:03:17,973 --> 00:03:21,853 Speaker 2: fever in skin, allergies or itchy skin. It's a dual 46 00:03:21,893 --> 00:03:27,653 Speaker 2: action antihistamine and has a unique nasal decongestent action. 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There is a book 56 00:04:10,173 --> 00:04:13,453 Speaker 2: that came out in nineteen eighty two whi's called Betrayers 57 00:04:13,613 --> 00:04:16,933 Speaker 2: of the Truth, Fraud and Deceit in the Halls of science. 58 00:04:17,733 --> 00:04:21,533 Speaker 2: Nicholas Wade is a journalist with the New York Times. 59 00:04:21,613 --> 00:04:24,133 Speaker 2: He was one of the co authors, and it's the 60 00:04:24,173 --> 00:04:26,173 Speaker 2: sort of book that the New York Times, quite frankly 61 00:04:26,213 --> 00:04:29,493 Speaker 2: these days, wouldn't want to be associated with. In my opinion, 62 00:04:29,693 --> 00:04:32,693 Speaker 2: I want to quote you from the back. Betrayers of 63 00:04:32,733 --> 00:04:35,533 Speaker 2: the Truth is an important book for it challenges the 64 00:04:35,533 --> 00:04:40,093 Speaker 2: conventional wisdom of objectivity in science. It is not an 65 00:04:40,133 --> 00:04:43,013 Speaker 2: indictment of all scientists, but rather a thoughtful, well written, 66 00:04:43,053 --> 00:04:46,853 Speaker 2: and well documented analysis of how fraud and self delusion 67 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:50,573 Speaker 2: can occur in a system which too often is claimed 68 00:04:50,573 --> 00:04:54,173 Speaker 2: to be immune to such deviations. I commend it to 69 00:04:54,373 --> 00:04:58,893 Speaker 2: all readers. Now, the author of that quote was doctor 70 00:04:59,093 --> 00:05:03,973 Speaker 2: Robert H. Ebert, former dean Harvard Medical School. Now, with 71 00:05:04,013 --> 00:05:07,573 Speaker 2: the reputation that Harvard has at the moment, which is 72 00:05:07,733 --> 00:05:10,333 Speaker 2: pretty near the bottom of a pit that's unlikely to 73 00:05:10,333 --> 00:05:14,133 Speaker 2: come out of anybody from Harvard, that to me gives 74 00:05:14,173 --> 00:05:17,173 Speaker 2: the opinion more weight. Anyway, It's a very good book 75 00:05:17,213 --> 00:05:19,173 Speaker 2: that you can get on the second hand book market. 76 00:05:19,213 --> 00:05:23,213 Speaker 2: Still Now, off the back of that Washington Post published 77 00:05:23,493 --> 00:05:27,613 Speaker 2: August fourteen, the American Board of Internal Medicine revoked the 78 00:05:27,613 --> 00:05:32,733 Speaker 2: certifications of Pierre Cory and Paul Merrick, two physicians known 79 00:05:32,773 --> 00:05:38,053 Speaker 2: for continuing to promote ibermectin and anti parasitic medication as 80 00:05:38,093 --> 00:05:42,253 Speaker 2: a treatment for COVID long after the medical community found 81 00:05:42,293 --> 00:05:45,693 Speaker 2: it to be ineffective. The two men co founded the 82 00:05:45,733 --> 00:05:50,893 Speaker 2: Frontline COVID nineteen Critical Care Alliance, which experts say spread 83 00:05:50,973 --> 00:05:54,293 Speaker 2: misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic. Now you know that my 84 00:05:54,413 --> 00:05:58,013 Speaker 2: opinion on experts these days has changed dramatically from what 85 00:05:58,053 --> 00:06:00,293 Speaker 2: it was a few years ago. I'm sick to death 86 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:06,093 Speaker 2: of the word experts. The aforementioned Dr Paul Merrick is 87 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:07,253 Speaker 2: in the country at the moment. 88 00:06:07,893 --> 00:06:08,213 Speaker 3: He is. 89 00:06:08,773 --> 00:06:13,253 Speaker 2: He is doing a speaking tour with another doctor specifically 90 00:06:13,733 --> 00:06:17,733 Speaker 2: and more people. And it's my great pleasure to welcome 91 00:06:18,013 --> 00:06:22,813 Speaker 2: doctor Paul Merrick to the Latensmith podcast. Welcome to New Zealand. Also, 92 00:06:22,853 --> 00:06:24,173 Speaker 2: by the way, I know you've only been here a 93 00:06:24,173 --> 00:06:24,973 Speaker 2: couple of days. 94 00:06:25,293 --> 00:06:26,053 Speaker 3: Thank you kindly. 95 00:06:26,173 --> 00:06:28,733 Speaker 4: It's an honor and apprivileged to be on the radio 96 00:06:28,773 --> 00:06:29,293 Speaker 4: show with you. 97 00:06:30,173 --> 00:06:33,653 Speaker 2: Just referring to that last little little quote I read 98 00:06:33,693 --> 00:06:39,893 Speaker 2: from the Washington Post about you losing your license. That's 99 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:44,053 Speaker 2: not quite accurate, I know, because your license particularly the 100 00:06:44,173 --> 00:06:49,493 Speaker 2: Virginia license, which was where you were mostly expired in 101 00:06:49,693 --> 00:06:54,053 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. But the fact that they're still chasing you, 102 00:06:54,093 --> 00:06:57,773 Speaker 2: they're still hunting you down, not just you, not just 103 00:06:57,853 --> 00:07:03,093 Speaker 2: Pierre Cory, but probably a countless number of, shall we say, 104 00:07:03,693 --> 00:07:08,693 Speaker 2: most proficient doctors in America are the subject of a 105 00:07:08,733 --> 00:07:12,213 Speaker 2: similar activity. What do you say to that, now, Yeah, 106 00:07:12,293 --> 00:07:19,333 Speaker 2: so you absolutely write that they revoked our board certification. 107 00:07:20,133 --> 00:07:24,493 Speaker 4: Because we were accused of spreading misinformation, and we are 108 00:07:24,613 --> 00:07:28,613 Speaker 4: misinformationists and the reality is. 109 00:07:28,453 --> 00:07:30,493 Speaker 3: We're just trying to tell the truth. 110 00:07:31,053 --> 00:07:36,133 Speaker 4: And science is not finite, it's not decided. It's an 111 00:07:36,173 --> 00:07:40,933 Speaker 4: ongoing process, and you should be able to have a dialogue, 112 00:07:41,093 --> 00:07:46,853 Speaker 4: free dialogue. And once you sensor science, you decapitate science. 113 00:07:47,413 --> 00:07:51,693 Speaker 4: And so you absolutely correct, they're going after Pierre and myself. 114 00:07:51,773 --> 00:07:53,853 Speaker 4: And you may not know this, but I wrote a 115 00:07:53,853 --> 00:07:58,573 Speaker 4: book called a Cancer Care Repurposed Drugs for the treatment 116 00:07:58,733 --> 00:08:02,493 Speaker 4: of cancer, and the day before I actually came to 117 00:08:02,533 --> 00:08:06,013 Speaker 4: New Zealand, the book was banned by Amazon. So Amazon 118 00:08:06,293 --> 00:08:08,933 Speaker 4: was selling the book, they had been selling it for 119 00:08:08,973 --> 00:08:12,653 Speaker 4: over a year, and then I got an email saying that, 120 00:08:13,053 --> 00:08:17,813 Speaker 4: you know, the information that I was providing was not truthful, 121 00:08:18,373 --> 00:08:22,133 Speaker 4: was misleading, and that that banning my book and that 122 00:08:22,333 --> 00:08:25,653 Speaker 4: I'm being banned for life. And all I was doing 123 00:08:25,773 --> 00:08:29,333 Speaker 4: really was quoting peer reviewed literature, you. 124 00:08:29,333 --> 00:08:31,733 Speaker 3: Know, as not as if I was making this stuff up. 125 00:08:32,053 --> 00:08:34,933 Speaker 4: You know, the book has over eight hundred and sixty 126 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:40,213 Speaker 4: peer reviewed references and everything is peer reviewed. So there 127 00:08:40,253 --> 00:08:43,893 Speaker 4: is an assault if you go against the narrative, if 128 00:08:43,893 --> 00:08:49,733 Speaker 4: you if you dissent in any way. It's what they do, 129 00:08:49,933 --> 00:08:55,933 Speaker 4: whoever that they is. And it's very disturbing because you know, 130 00:08:56,093 --> 00:08:57,693 Speaker 4: we should be able to in the same way as 131 00:08:57,733 --> 00:08:58,853 Speaker 4: we're having a conversation. 132 00:08:59,053 --> 00:08:59,373 Speaker 3: Now. 133 00:08:59,773 --> 00:09:02,413 Speaker 4: We may not agree with each other, but at least 134 00:09:02,413 --> 00:09:08,253 Speaker 4: we can have a professional, courteous discussion. And that's what 135 00:09:09,373 --> 00:09:13,533 Speaker 4: science and what life is about. And they don't like that. 136 00:09:14,133 --> 00:09:16,253 Speaker 2: Now, is it possible that you can appeal against that? 137 00:09:17,213 --> 00:09:18,293 Speaker 3: So we are yes. 138 00:09:18,373 --> 00:09:21,093 Speaker 4: I mean, I think many people are outraged because it's 139 00:09:21,213 --> 00:09:26,493 Speaker 4: completely unprecedented in publishing history, because there are books that 140 00:09:26,573 --> 00:09:31,013 Speaker 4: they sell that are for you know, for more, for 141 00:09:31,933 --> 00:09:36,253 Speaker 4: less scientific, that provide information which is not truly accurate. 142 00:09:36,333 --> 00:09:40,013 Speaker 4: And this is being sold by Amazon. So we feel 143 00:09:40,013 --> 00:09:44,293 Speaker 4: that they're specifically targeting me and targeting the book because 144 00:09:44,613 --> 00:09:49,333 Speaker 4: you don't really strongly challenge, very strongly challenged the status quo, 145 00:09:49,933 --> 00:09:54,373 Speaker 4: and that's what they don't like, particularly the financial implications. 146 00:09:54,413 --> 00:09:56,413 Speaker 3: So in the. 147 00:09:56,373 --> 00:10:00,893 Speaker 4: US, cancer care is a two hundred billion plus industry, 148 00:10:01,373 --> 00:10:06,413 Speaker 4: and so we are providing, you know, alternatives which can 149 00:10:06,453 --> 00:10:12,173 Speaker 4: be used adjunctively or in dependently to promote people's health, 150 00:10:12,893 --> 00:10:16,773 Speaker 4: to prevent cancer, and as a junct of therapy to 151 00:10:16,853 --> 00:10:22,213 Speaker 4: treat cancer. And obviously this goes against the narrative and 152 00:10:22,253 --> 00:10:25,493 Speaker 4: it goes against mainstream medicine. 153 00:10:25,773 --> 00:10:30,453 Speaker 2: You know, I have just checked with Amazon Australia because 154 00:10:30,493 --> 00:10:34,853 Speaker 2: I've had a previous experience where the book was no 155 00:10:34,933 --> 00:10:37,253 Speaker 2: longer available than America, but I could get it from 156 00:10:37,453 --> 00:10:41,853 Speaker 2: Amazon Australia. What I've got is currently unavailable. We don't 157 00:10:41,893 --> 00:10:44,013 Speaker 2: know when or if this item will be back in stock. 158 00:10:44,093 --> 00:10:47,253 Speaker 2: So there's the answer. I would like to arrange with 159 00:10:47,373 --> 00:10:49,253 Speaker 2: you somehow that I get a copy of that. 160 00:10:50,013 --> 00:10:53,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously the book's no longer available, and so 161 00:10:53,813 --> 00:10:56,693 Speaker 4: the email they sent me made it quite clear that 162 00:10:56,733 --> 00:11:01,893 Speaker 4: the book has discontinued. My accounts discontinued and I've been discontinued. 163 00:11:02,413 --> 00:11:05,613 Speaker 4: So the book you can't get from Amazon. We obviously 164 00:11:06,533 --> 00:11:10,533 Speaker 4: are working out alternatives. But I can most certainly send 165 00:11:10,533 --> 00:11:13,733 Speaker 4: you a PDF of the book for you to read. 166 00:11:14,053 --> 00:11:16,653 Speaker 2: That would be very useful. Now, I did know that 167 00:11:16,693 --> 00:11:21,413 Speaker 2: you'd published that book because I've I've done a little 168 00:11:21,413 --> 00:11:24,813 Speaker 2: bit of a little bit of background. But what I 169 00:11:24,853 --> 00:11:29,773 Speaker 2: don't understand is how they can justify the comments that 170 00:11:29,813 --> 00:11:33,573 Speaker 2: they made to you based on the on the statistics 171 00:11:33,613 --> 00:11:36,213 Speaker 2: that you produced and the effect that it had on 172 00:11:36,333 --> 00:11:39,893 Speaker 2: patients at East Virginia Medical School where you were in 173 00:11:40,253 --> 00:11:44,093 Speaker 2: those early days. What has followed on from that, sorry, 174 00:11:44,133 --> 00:11:47,533 Speaker 2: after you left EVMS, what has followed on as far 175 00:11:47,573 --> 00:11:49,453 Speaker 2: as that hospital is concerned. 176 00:11:51,653 --> 00:11:55,373 Speaker 4: Yes, that's a good question that they that continued along 177 00:11:55,413 --> 00:11:58,493 Speaker 4: their merry way as if I was never there. So, 178 00:11:59,573 --> 00:12:02,653 Speaker 4: I mean, the way this all started, if you remember, 179 00:12:03,253 --> 00:12:07,013 Speaker 4: is in March of twenty twenty, the NIH, the CDC, 180 00:12:07,213 --> 00:12:11,653 Speaker 4: the who said, you know, there's no specific treatment for COVID, 181 00:12:12,013 --> 00:12:14,493 Speaker 4: you just stayed at home until you got blue. And 182 00:12:14,733 --> 00:12:18,733 Speaker 4: any physician will tell you that's completely ridiculous. A physician 183 00:12:18,813 --> 00:12:21,573 Speaker 4: is not going to just watch a secrepatient and do nothing. 184 00:12:22,133 --> 00:12:25,133 Speaker 4: So that's what was the impetus for, you know, Dr 185 00:12:25,213 --> 00:12:28,653 Speaker 4: Corey and myself and some other colleagues to put together 186 00:12:28,973 --> 00:12:33,413 Speaker 4: the FLCCC and the protocols, and so that's what we did, 187 00:12:33,693 --> 00:12:36,653 Speaker 4: and it was based on the best available science. You know, 188 00:12:37,293 --> 00:12:41,333 Speaker 4: we looked, we understood the disease, we understood the science, 189 00:12:41,453 --> 00:12:43,413 Speaker 4: and we basically put. 190 00:12:43,253 --> 00:12:44,413 Speaker 3: Together a protocol. 191 00:12:44,853 --> 00:12:48,733 Speaker 4: You know, initially we recommended corticost steroids, and we were 192 00:12:48,773 --> 00:12:54,213 Speaker 4: severely reprimanded. People said it was unethical to use cordico 193 00:12:54,333 --> 00:12:58,173 Speaker 4: steroids for a viral illness. But lo and behold, six 194 00:12:58,213 --> 00:13:01,933 Speaker 4: months later, the recovery study came out showing that critical 195 00:13:02,093 --> 00:13:07,853 Speaker 4: steroids were life saving. We used anticoagulants happened, which was 196 00:13:07,853 --> 00:13:10,733 Speaker 4: subsolutely they've proven to be correct. 197 00:13:11,173 --> 00:13:13,933 Speaker 3: And then obviously we realized. 198 00:13:13,333 --> 00:13:16,853 Speaker 4: That the best way to control the pandemic was early treatment. 199 00:13:17,493 --> 00:13:21,973 Speaker 4: And I think that remains as valid today as it 200 00:13:22,173 --> 00:13:26,653 Speaker 4: was then. Is there's no disease that benefits from waiting 201 00:13:27,213 --> 00:13:29,613 Speaker 4: until the patient progresses to the point they need to 202 00:13:29,613 --> 00:13:30,533 Speaker 4: go to a hospital. 203 00:13:30,893 --> 00:13:32,013 Speaker 3: It's an absurdity. 204 00:13:32,693 --> 00:13:36,093 Speaker 4: So we put together an early treatment protocol, and as 205 00:13:36,133 --> 00:13:40,453 Speaker 4: it so happens, they're about twenty or twenty five pharmaceutical 206 00:13:40,533 --> 00:13:43,733 Speaker 4: or nutraceutical drugs that have been shown to be highly 207 00:13:43,733 --> 00:13:51,453 Speaker 4: effective for the early treatment of COVID, including hydroxychloroqin and overmectin. 208 00:13:53,213 --> 00:13:56,333 Speaker 4: So that's how we got into this. But you know, 209 00:13:56,413 --> 00:14:01,893 Speaker 4: the hospital I was that basically much like Amazon banned me, 210 00:14:02,053 --> 00:14:05,733 Speaker 4: they banned my protocol, which was highly successful. You know, 211 00:14:05,813 --> 00:14:10,013 Speaker 4: we looked at my data versus inians data, and the 212 00:14:10,133 --> 00:14:13,293 Speaker 4: data suggested we could reduce the risk of hospital death 213 00:14:13,733 --> 00:14:18,733 Speaker 4: by at least fifty percent. But that was inconvenient because 214 00:14:18,893 --> 00:14:23,533 Speaker 4: I was not using the WHO and H protocols. So 215 00:14:23,693 --> 00:14:26,373 Speaker 4: you know, what I've come to discover is that this 216 00:14:26,413 --> 00:14:29,813 Speaker 4: is not about doing what's best for the patient. This 217 00:14:29,893 --> 00:14:32,733 Speaker 4: is not about optimizing patient outcome. 218 00:14:33,293 --> 00:14:35,373 Speaker 3: This is not about helping people. 219 00:14:36,013 --> 00:14:41,733 Speaker 4: This is about conplex of interest, financial interests, and power plays. 220 00:14:42,413 --> 00:14:45,613 Speaker 2: Can you recall the off the top of your head 221 00:14:45,933 --> 00:14:50,413 Speaker 2: what your results were when you first were active with 222 00:14:50,893 --> 00:14:52,133 Speaker 2: hospital patients. 223 00:14:53,093 --> 00:14:57,333 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, it's been debated and Corey and 224 00:14:57,373 --> 00:15:02,813 Speaker 4: myself were actually accused of false, falsifying data, and scientific 225 00:15:02,893 --> 00:15:06,933 Speaker 4: misconduct because we published the data. So we know that 226 00:15:06,973 --> 00:15:12,373 Speaker 4: the hospital mortality COVID was around twenty percent, we published 227 00:15:12,453 --> 00:15:15,653 Speaker 4: data showing that it was in our hands eight percent, 228 00:15:16,253 --> 00:15:19,053 Speaker 4: and that eight percent was data I received from the 229 00:15:19,133 --> 00:15:22,933 Speaker 4: chief medical officer. He personally gave me the data and 230 00:15:23,013 --> 00:15:25,653 Speaker 4: told me that it was about eight percent, and that's 231 00:15:25,693 --> 00:15:28,933 Speaker 4: what we published in our paper. So that's a significant reduction. 232 00:15:29,613 --> 00:15:32,773 Speaker 4: What they then did after the fact is accused us 233 00:15:32,813 --> 00:15:36,333 Speaker 4: of scientific misconduct because they were able to show that 234 00:15:36,373 --> 00:15:39,893 Speaker 4: with time the mortality went up to about ten percent. 235 00:15:40,693 --> 00:15:43,493 Speaker 4: And obviously if you followed patients for long enough, some 236 00:15:43,533 --> 00:15:46,013 Speaker 4: of them will die. But we looked at twenty eight 237 00:15:46,133 --> 00:15:51,133 Speaker 4: day mortality, and so based on the complaints of the 238 00:15:51,213 --> 00:15:56,013 Speaker 4: hospital and the hospital system, the journal retracted and removed 239 00:15:56,013 --> 00:16:01,293 Speaker 4: the paper, accusing us of scientific misconduct. And so even 240 00:16:01,613 --> 00:16:06,413 Speaker 4: if one takes a conservative reduction, they claimed it was 241 00:16:06,453 --> 00:16:10,693 Speaker 4: ten percent. We know the hospital tonality was about twenty percent, 242 00:16:10,813 --> 00:16:14,333 Speaker 4: so at least we were able to show that there 243 00:16:14,413 --> 00:16:20,253 Speaker 4: was at least a of the thirty percent reduction in 244 00:16:20,333 --> 00:16:25,373 Speaker 4: the risk of death. But that was very inconvenient for them. 245 00:16:25,813 --> 00:16:31,853 Speaker 2: Indeed, after the pandemic struck, doctor Merrick wrote to the WHO, 246 00:16:32,133 --> 00:16:35,413 Speaker 2: doctor Fauci, the head of the NIH, the head of 247 00:16:35,453 --> 00:16:38,493 Speaker 2: New York City's Department of Health, and the health minister 248 00:16:38,653 --> 00:16:44,253 Speaker 2: in Lombardy in Italy about his new repurposed drug COVID 249 00:16:44,333 --> 00:16:51,613 Speaker 2: protocol pre ivermectin involving vitamin C, kurserin, zinc, and melatonin. 250 00:16:52,013 --> 00:16:54,133 Speaker 2: He explained that lives could be saved by offering this 251 00:16:54,133 --> 00:16:59,173 Speaker 2: to patients immediately. Doctor Merrick wrote in his letter, doctor 252 00:16:59,213 --> 00:17:03,933 Speaker 2: Fauci and others are promoting the idea of performing randomized 253 00:17:03,973 --> 00:17:07,853 Speaker 2: control tests. I believe that is unethical. I believe it's 254 00:17:07,933 --> 00:17:11,133 Speaker 2: uneth to do such trials. How can you offer patients 255 00:17:11,133 --> 00:17:14,413 Speaker 2: a placebo when testing a drug that you believe may 256 00:17:14,453 --> 00:17:18,013 Speaker 2: have clinical efficacy. Every patient needs to get the best 257 00:17:18,053 --> 00:17:20,973 Speaker 2: treatment that we can offer. We could expect no less 258 00:17:21,013 --> 00:17:25,413 Speaker 2: from our loved ones. Furthermore, once these trials are eventually completed, 259 00:17:25,773 --> 00:17:28,893 Speaker 2: we will all be dead or the pandemic will be over. 260 00:17:29,213 --> 00:17:31,293 Speaker 2: This does not mean that we should not be studying 261 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:35,933 Speaker 2: the impact of these interventions. Detailed observational studies can provide 262 00:17:36,133 --> 00:17:41,093 Speaker 2: useful information. What did you get back from the expert, 263 00:17:41,133 --> 00:17:41,813 Speaker 2: doctor Varci? 264 00:17:43,133 --> 00:17:44,093 Speaker 3: Yes, so please? 265 00:17:44,173 --> 00:17:47,173 Speaker 4: You quoted that because I had forgotten that letter. We 266 00:17:47,293 --> 00:17:51,093 Speaker 4: had sent that same letter to hundreds of people, you know, 267 00:17:51,453 --> 00:17:56,533 Speaker 4: healthcare administrators, head of state, the WHO, and we did 268 00:17:56,573 --> 00:17:59,493 Speaker 4: not get a single response, not a single response. 269 00:18:00,013 --> 00:18:01,573 Speaker 3: And you know, obviously. 270 00:18:03,053 --> 00:18:05,733 Speaker 4: I'm pretty impressed with what we wrote that because it 271 00:18:05,813 --> 00:18:10,013 Speaker 4: holds the same position there and as it does now, 272 00:18:10,533 --> 00:18:14,573 Speaker 4: the idea of doing a randomized study when when when 273 00:18:14,613 --> 00:18:18,533 Speaker 4: you actually have an effective therapy, goes against the whole 274 00:18:18,613 --> 00:18:22,533 Speaker 4: hypocratic principle. And so you know, for example, you know, 275 00:18:22,813 --> 00:18:27,893 Speaker 4: we developed a protocol for using vitamin C for sepsis, 276 00:18:28,413 --> 00:18:32,293 Speaker 4: and we consider doing a randomized study, but my nurses 277 00:18:32,373 --> 00:18:36,133 Speaker 4: refused because they with their own eyes, they could see 278 00:18:36,133 --> 00:18:40,013 Speaker 4: how effective vitamin C was for treating early sepsis, and 279 00:18:40,053 --> 00:18:43,493 Speaker 4: they said, it's unethical. How can you randomize a patient 280 00:18:44,053 --> 00:18:47,293 Speaker 4: to get placebo when you know the drug you're giving 281 00:18:47,533 --> 00:18:51,573 Speaker 4: is effective. And that's essentially what they were trying to do, 282 00:18:52,293 --> 00:18:56,733 Speaker 4: is that, as I said, as a clinician, you give 283 00:18:56,813 --> 00:19:00,293 Speaker 4: the patient. Your your only interest is the patient in 284 00:19:00,293 --> 00:19:02,733 Speaker 4: front of you, and you have to do what you 285 00:19:02,813 --> 00:19:06,773 Speaker 4: think is in the patient's best interests, and you know, 286 00:19:07,093 --> 00:19:11,013 Speaker 4: to randomize them to the CIBO is completely unethical, and 287 00:19:11,173 --> 00:19:14,213 Speaker 4: you're right. At the beginning, we were we were convinced that, 288 00:19:14,573 --> 00:19:16,893 Speaker 4: you know, and the data has borne out that for 289 00:19:17,013 --> 00:19:22,493 Speaker 4: certain vitamin C, zinc and vitamin D are really highly 290 00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:28,213 Speaker 4: effective in preventing and treating COVID. You know, instead of 291 00:19:29,453 --> 00:19:32,893 Speaker 4: You know, I if the health agencies were ready concerned 292 00:19:32,893 --> 00:19:37,053 Speaker 4: about the health of the elderly people in elderly homes, 293 00:19:37,453 --> 00:19:40,973 Speaker 4: the probably the most important intervention would have been just 294 00:19:40,973 --> 00:19:44,373 Speaker 4: to give the vitamin D, just because we know vitamin 295 00:19:44,453 --> 00:19:48,573 Speaker 4: D has such potent immunological properties, and we know if 296 00:19:48,613 --> 00:19:51,853 Speaker 4: you have a good vitamin D level, your chances of 297 00:19:51,933 --> 00:19:55,573 Speaker 4: dying or getting ready sick for COVID already close to zero. 298 00:19:56,373 --> 00:19:58,773 Speaker 4: So what they should have just done, it's so cheap, 299 00:19:59,053 --> 00:20:03,253 Speaker 4: so effective, is just given these people vitamin D. But 300 00:20:03,413 --> 00:20:07,413 Speaker 4: again it went against the consensus, and nobody makes money. 301 00:20:07,733 --> 00:20:11,853 Speaker 4: You know, the D is a over the counter generic drug. 302 00:20:11,973 --> 00:20:17,613 Speaker 4: It's exceedingly cheap that one makes money from describing vitamin D. 303 00:20:18,253 --> 00:20:21,013 Speaker 4: And there's no question in my mind if we had 304 00:20:21,413 --> 00:20:26,173 Speaker 4: gone on a campaign of promoting vitamin D, the mortality 305 00:20:26,373 --> 00:20:28,893 Speaker 4: from COVID would have been significantly less. 306 00:20:29,413 --> 00:20:33,093 Speaker 2: What about vitamin C. I would have thought that vitamin 307 00:20:33,173 --> 00:20:37,013 Speaker 2: C would have been at the forefront of the medical 308 00:20:37,053 --> 00:20:38,893 Speaker 2: professions interest. 309 00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:43,693 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, you know what people don't recognize is that 310 00:20:44,053 --> 00:20:47,053 Speaker 4: there are only two species on this planet that don't 311 00:20:47,093 --> 00:20:50,813 Speaker 4: make vitamin C when you stressed. So humans and guinea 312 00:20:50,893 --> 00:20:53,813 Speaker 4: pigs are the only species that don't make vitamin. 313 00:20:53,493 --> 00:20:57,893 Speaker 2: C, aren't they one and the same human beings? 314 00:20:57,893 --> 00:21:03,613 Speaker 4: And yeah, sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between 315 00:21:03,973 --> 00:21:07,733 Speaker 4: a guinea pig and a human and that's a good one. 316 00:21:08,013 --> 00:21:11,133 Speaker 4: But you know, just from a genetic and evolutionary point 317 00:21:11,173 --> 00:21:14,933 Speaker 4: of view, we know humans just don't make vitamin C 318 00:21:15,093 --> 00:21:18,013 Speaker 4: when they stressed. And vitamin C is more of a 319 00:21:18,053 --> 00:21:21,653 Speaker 4: stress hormone than it is a vitamin and plays a 320 00:21:21,693 --> 00:21:24,813 Speaker 4: really important role in the stress response. 321 00:21:25,373 --> 00:21:28,013 Speaker 3: So it doesn't really matter what the stress is. 322 00:21:28,173 --> 00:21:32,613 Speaker 4: It could be psychological stress, it could be psychiatric stress. 323 00:21:32,653 --> 00:21:36,973 Speaker 4: It could be stressed because you writing exams that you 324 00:21:37,733 --> 00:21:42,093 Speaker 4: need to produce vitamin C. And obviously if you're having 325 00:21:42,253 --> 00:21:46,453 Speaker 4: surgery or have had trauma, you can't produce vitamin C. 326 00:21:46,653 --> 00:21:47,493 Speaker 3: Vitamin C is. 327 00:21:47,453 --> 00:21:51,173 Speaker 4: Really important, and so that's why, you know, we would 328 00:21:51,253 --> 00:21:55,373 Speaker 4: suggest any you know, if you're healthy and you eat 329 00:21:55,373 --> 00:21:58,373 Speaker 4: a regular diet, you should get enough vitamin C. But 330 00:21:58,533 --> 00:22:02,493 Speaker 4: if you stress, if you're under a stress situation, most 331 00:22:02,573 --> 00:22:06,093 Speaker 4: definitely you should supplement worth vitamin C. 332 00:22:06,653 --> 00:22:09,573 Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question. Well, I've got 333 00:22:09,573 --> 00:22:12,693 Speaker 2: a couple of questions. Actually they fit together. What's the 334 00:22:12,733 --> 00:22:18,573 Speaker 2: greatest challenge, threat or problem that confronts science, medical science 335 00:22:18,573 --> 00:22:21,813 Speaker 2: in particular, as that's what we're talking about. Can I 336 00:22:22,493 --> 00:22:24,653 Speaker 2: make a suggestion that it's politics. 337 00:22:26,213 --> 00:22:28,773 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you ask a really good question, and it's 338 00:22:28,893 --> 00:22:29,973 Speaker 4: really unfortunate. 339 00:22:30,173 --> 00:22:32,333 Speaker 3: Unfortunately science has been. 340 00:22:32,653 --> 00:22:40,213 Speaker 4: Co opted by other forces politics, finance, power, and so 341 00:22:41,373 --> 00:22:45,213 Speaker 4: you know, just just the fact that we're being censored 342 00:22:45,813 --> 00:22:50,853 Speaker 4: is really a significant attraction of what science should be. 343 00:22:51,373 --> 00:22:55,333 Speaker 4: You know, we don't have to agree. Science is evolving, 344 00:22:55,493 --> 00:22:58,253 Speaker 4: it changes. I mean we know that you know, people 345 00:22:58,413 --> 00:23:02,453 Speaker 4: did blood letting and leaches and all kinds of therapies 346 00:23:02,493 --> 00:23:05,573 Speaker 4: based on what they at that time, you know, thought 347 00:23:05,693 --> 00:23:10,173 Speaker 4: was the best therapy. But science progress is, it's evolving, 348 00:23:10,733 --> 00:23:14,413 Speaker 4: and so we need to be able to have differences 349 00:23:14,413 --> 00:23:18,853 Speaker 4: of opinion, We need to explore different options. And certainly, 350 00:23:18,933 --> 00:23:26,893 Speaker 4: once politics gets intertwined in science, it can only pervert science. 351 00:23:28,133 --> 00:23:33,053 Speaker 2: So my other question is your opinion of Scientific American. 352 00:23:33,973 --> 00:23:35,973 Speaker 3: You mean the journal Scientific American. 353 00:23:37,253 --> 00:23:39,853 Speaker 4: So you know, I can look at my life at 354 00:23:39,893 --> 00:23:44,013 Speaker 4: pre COVID and post COVID, you know, bc AC, and 355 00:23:44,093 --> 00:23:48,093 Speaker 4: I can say that BC I used to believe almost 356 00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:53,013 Speaker 4: everything that came from the medical journals New England Journal 357 00:23:53,213 --> 00:23:58,573 Speaker 4: Lands at Scientific America, because that's what we were led 358 00:23:58,613 --> 00:24:02,173 Speaker 4: to believe. These people have no vested interests, there's no 359 00:24:02,293 --> 00:24:06,173 Speaker 4: conflict of interest, and that the science is true. I've 360 00:24:06,213 --> 00:24:10,093 Speaker 4: subsequently discovered that at least eighty five, maybe ninety percent 361 00:24:10,253 --> 00:24:17,653 Speaker 4: of published papers of fraudulent, deceptive, dishonest. And that's very, 362 00:24:17,853 --> 00:24:24,293 Speaker 4: very disturbing, because if you can't trust these organizations and 363 00:24:24,373 --> 00:24:27,653 Speaker 4: these journals, who can you trust? And so I think 364 00:24:27,653 --> 00:24:32,173 Speaker 4: people have to, you know, general public, but particularly doctors 365 00:24:32,173 --> 00:24:38,293 Speaker 4: and scientists have to be scrupulous in reviewing papers and 366 00:24:38,493 --> 00:24:42,533 Speaker 4: understanding that there may be significant amount of fraud that 367 00:24:42,693 --> 00:24:44,013 Speaker 4: has been perpetuated. 368 00:24:44,573 --> 00:24:46,813 Speaker 2: The reason I asked you that is because less than 369 00:24:46,813 --> 00:24:50,933 Speaker 2: an hour ago I got an email that Scientific American 370 00:24:51,053 --> 00:24:56,693 Speaker 2: has endorsed Kamala Harris. Now, the reason for that, or 371 00:24:56,733 --> 00:25:01,413 Speaker 2: the reasons for that, are fairly obvious. It appears to 372 00:25:01,413 --> 00:25:06,253 Speaker 2: me that Scientific American has deserted its platform and is 373 00:25:06,333 --> 00:25:10,333 Speaker 2: now engaged in a in a shall we say, a campaign, 374 00:25:10,333 --> 00:25:15,093 Speaker 2: a war, call it whatever you like, along with other experts, 375 00:25:15,653 --> 00:25:19,173 Speaker 2: and it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit the role any 376 00:25:19,213 --> 00:25:24,653 Speaker 2: longer of one to be trusted. The editorial drew sharp 377 00:25:24,653 --> 00:25:29,253 Speaker 2: contrasts between Harris and Donald Trump, who they described as 378 00:25:29,493 --> 00:25:36,293 Speaker 2: one who quote endangers public health and safety and rejects evidence, 379 00:25:36,973 --> 00:25:40,893 Speaker 2: preferring instead nonsensical conspiracy theories. Now, when I read that, 380 00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:45,413 Speaker 2: I thought immediately of droxachloroquin. I also express concern over 381 00:25:45,453 --> 00:25:49,173 Speaker 2: Trump's dangerous and disasters record, and particularly his handling of 382 00:25:49,213 --> 00:25:51,933 Speaker 2: public health during the COVID nineteen pandemic and his rollback 383 00:25:52,253 --> 00:25:57,933 Speaker 2: of environmental protections. If you're interested, a couple of comments 384 00:25:58,013 --> 00:26:02,293 Speaker 2: from other people, one being doctor Jordan Peterson an utterly 385 00:26:02,573 --> 00:26:07,133 Speaker 2: predictable and worse boring revelation from the pathetic and self 386 00:26:07,133 --> 00:26:11,733 Speaker 2: destructive woke mob that captured the magazine that captured the 387 00:26:11,813 --> 00:26:19,133 Speaker 2: journal and doctor Gad sad authoritarian leftist partisanship has hijacked 388 00:26:19,133 --> 00:26:26,133 Speaker 2: everything academia, science, journalism, medicine, business, law, entertainment, culture, justice system, etc. 389 00:26:27,573 --> 00:26:32,533 Speaker 2: So he's an evolutionary behavior scientist for anyone who doesn't know. So, 390 00:26:34,053 --> 00:26:37,173 Speaker 2: I've had no faith in those magazines for some time. 391 00:26:37,653 --> 00:26:40,573 Speaker 2: Now there's even less reason to have any sort of 392 00:26:40,613 --> 00:26:41,333 Speaker 2: faith in them. 393 00:26:41,573 --> 00:26:44,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wasn't aware of this development. 394 00:26:44,173 --> 00:26:46,973 Speaker 2: Later, No, it just happened. It's just happened. That's why 395 00:26:47,013 --> 00:26:48,373 Speaker 2: I thought i'd break the news to you. 396 00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:53,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's shocking. I think it's highly disturbing. 397 00:26:53,933 --> 00:26:57,813 Speaker 4: There's no question of doubt that medical journals and medical 398 00:26:57,853 --> 00:27:03,133 Speaker 4: publications should be completely nonpartisan. They should not be involved 399 00:27:03,253 --> 00:27:10,413 Speaker 4: in political dabbling and in quoting or misquoting politicians. Science 400 00:27:10,693 --> 00:27:14,653 Speaker 4: is not political. It doesn't matter if you left or right. 401 00:27:15,213 --> 00:27:20,333 Speaker 4: Was interested is the scientific truth. And once journals start 402 00:27:20,453 --> 00:27:25,733 Speaker 4: dabbling in politics, we go down a very dark road which. 403 00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:28,213 Speaker 2: We have traveled in this country, and of course you're 404 00:27:28,253 --> 00:27:31,373 Speaker 2: aware of it. With the previous prime minister and we 405 00:27:31,373 --> 00:27:35,213 Speaker 2: were one of the shall we say, worst affected countries 406 00:27:35,213 --> 00:27:38,453 Speaker 2: in the world over matters of lockdown. 407 00:27:39,133 --> 00:27:42,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know what, as I said before, we 408 00:27:43,293 --> 00:27:48,693 Speaker 4: did either divide my life BC and AC and unfortunately, 409 00:27:49,253 --> 00:27:53,253 Speaker 4: and I don't think many people appreciate the extent of 410 00:27:53,413 --> 00:27:57,773 Speaker 4: the lines that we were told. And so the absurdity 411 00:27:57,933 --> 00:28:04,093 Speaker 4: is that doctor Correa, myself are quote it has been misinformationist, 412 00:28:04,133 --> 00:28:06,533 Speaker 4: but we're in fact telling the truth. And when you 413 00:28:06,573 --> 00:28:10,053 Speaker 4: actually look at the truth everything told us like everything 414 00:28:11,013 --> 00:28:14,653 Speaker 4: was a lie and was predetermined, you can say, you know, 415 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,533 Speaker 4: where did the virus come from? This wasn't from nature. 416 00:28:18,053 --> 00:28:20,293 Speaker 4: You can look at the use of masks. We know 417 00:28:20,493 --> 00:28:23,693 Speaker 4: that there was a complete and outher failure. It's been 418 00:28:23,773 --> 00:28:28,413 Speaker 4: well established a COVID spreads by aerosol, not by droplets 419 00:28:28,453 --> 00:28:33,173 Speaker 4: spread and this has been well defined scientifically. We knew 420 00:28:33,173 --> 00:28:37,413 Speaker 4: this in twenty twenty. And if you reckon that it's 421 00:28:37,453 --> 00:28:43,813 Speaker 4: spread by aerosols, then it makes masks completely ineffective, It 422 00:28:43,893 --> 00:28:50,093 Speaker 4: makes social distancing ineffective, it makes lockdowns completely ineffective. So 423 00:28:50,853 --> 00:28:55,133 Speaker 4: what they did was they instituted, were not just instituted 424 00:28:55,333 --> 00:29:00,013 Speaker 4: mandated policies that were not based on good science. And 425 00:29:00,053 --> 00:29:04,173 Speaker 4: as we know, the consequences have been enormous, particularly in 426 00:29:04,213 --> 00:29:08,693 Speaker 4: places like Australia and New Zealand and Canada where you know, 427 00:29:08,813 --> 00:29:15,493 Speaker 4: the these draconian measures were enforced with almost military like activity. 428 00:29:16,093 --> 00:29:20,453 Speaker 2: I what to make mention in passing of doctor Linus Pauling, 429 00:29:21,013 --> 00:29:25,933 Speaker 2: and I quote from an artic written by justice not 430 00:29:26,133 --> 00:29:31,053 Speaker 2: legal justice, justice j U S. T us Hope m D. 431 00:29:31,933 --> 00:29:35,653 Speaker 2: He refers to the the IV Vitamin C protocol that 432 00:29:35,693 --> 00:29:38,493 Speaker 2: you that you have. How would you put it just 433 00:29:38,613 --> 00:29:40,693 Speaker 2: not discovered? What would you say? 434 00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,013 Speaker 3: Yeah, we reinvented it, you know what I mean? 435 00:29:43,213 --> 00:29:48,093 Speaker 4: So it's very unusual for someone to invent something is 436 00:29:48,213 --> 00:29:52,453 Speaker 4: often just history repeating itself. So you know, we put 437 00:29:52,453 --> 00:29:56,493 Speaker 4: this protocol together based on you know, his work as 438 00:29:56,493 --> 00:30:00,733 Speaker 4: well as other people's work, and you know, we showed 439 00:30:00,773 --> 00:30:01,853 Speaker 4: to be highly effective. 440 00:30:02,813 --> 00:30:06,213 Speaker 2: So dtor pauling, Well, I'll just I'll just back up 441 00:30:06,253 --> 00:30:08,893 Speaker 2: a little bit referring to you, Doctor Merrick has enjoyed 442 00:30:08,893 --> 00:30:13,293 Speaker 2: his reputation as the most published and influential clinician researcher 443 00:30:13,373 --> 00:30:16,373 Speaker 2: in critical care medicine in the United States quote unquote, 444 00:30:16,453 --> 00:30:20,093 Speaker 2: and for good reason. Doctor Marek is a giant in 445 00:30:20,133 --> 00:30:24,053 Speaker 2: the academic research world, with an H index of one 446 00:30:24,093 --> 00:30:25,853 Speaker 2: to eleven. What is an H index? 447 00:30:27,653 --> 00:30:30,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, so an H index is a balance between the 448 00:30:31,013 --> 00:30:35,493 Speaker 4: number of papers you've published and the number of times 449 00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:37,013 Speaker 4: the papers have been quoted. 450 00:30:37,653 --> 00:30:39,093 Speaker 3: Because it's all very well. 451 00:30:38,973 --> 00:30:42,093 Speaker 4: Writing a paper, but if people ignore the paper and 452 00:30:42,653 --> 00:30:46,133 Speaker 4: you know, don't quote the paper, then it's it means 453 00:30:46,133 --> 00:30:50,013 Speaker 4: it's had a low impact. So the H index is 454 00:30:50,053 --> 00:30:54,493 Speaker 4: a blend of the number of publications and the number 455 00:30:54,493 --> 00:30:55,253 Speaker 4: of times. 456 00:30:54,933 --> 00:30:55,893 Speaker 3: It's been quoted. 457 00:30:56,573 --> 00:31:00,373 Speaker 4: Most noble laureates have an H index of about forty 458 00:31:00,453 --> 00:31:03,373 Speaker 4: to fifty, So you know, an H index of over 459 00:31:03,413 --> 00:31:12,013 Speaker 4: one hundred year signifies pretty significant and research productivity. 460 00:31:11,493 --> 00:31:14,173 Speaker 2: So your h index of one hundred and eleven, which 461 00:31:14,213 --> 00:31:17,893 Speaker 2: placed him in the top percentile of the world's elite 462 00:31:18,013 --> 00:31:24,173 Speaker 2: published physicians. This stunned me as I read it. After 463 00:31:24,213 --> 00:31:28,933 Speaker 2: the way that you've been dealt with. His iv vitamin 464 00:31:29,013 --> 00:31:34,453 Speaker 2: C protocol, known as HAT HAT guarded massive attention with 465 00:31:34,533 --> 00:31:37,613 Speaker 2: more than eleven hundred anecdotes from physicians around the world 466 00:31:37,653 --> 00:31:41,893 Speaker 2: noting similar almost miraculous results from their septic shock patients, 467 00:31:42,373 --> 00:31:45,333 Speaker 2: and then mentions your hospital recorded a drop in the 468 00:31:45,373 --> 00:31:49,213 Speaker 2: death rate of of your sepsis patients from twenty two 469 00:31:49,253 --> 00:31:52,133 Speaker 2: percent to six percent over the year after you began 470 00:31:52,413 --> 00:31:59,133 Speaker 2: using that vitamin C protocol. Now getting back to Linus Pauling, 471 00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:07,093 Speaker 2: he also was utilizing the same methodology. He was afflicted 472 00:32:07,093 --> 00:32:11,413 Speaker 2: with Bright's disease, the condition at age forty. He found 473 00:32:11,453 --> 00:32:14,973 Speaker 2: an unorthodox but effective way to treat himself using three 474 00:32:15,053 --> 00:32:18,453 Speaker 2: grams per day of vitamin C. However, this use of 475 00:32:18,533 --> 00:32:23,773 Speaker 2: repurposed vitamins threatened the status quo and was vehemently denounced 476 00:32:23,773 --> 00:32:28,573 Speaker 2: as quackery. Doctor Merrick has found himself similarly attacked by 477 00:32:28,693 --> 00:32:34,173 Speaker 2: various moneyed interests. But the point is that Linus Pauling 478 00:32:34,293 --> 00:32:39,813 Speaker 2: kept himself alive for some considerable time on that exact methodology. 479 00:32:40,853 --> 00:32:41,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. 480 00:32:41,893 --> 00:32:45,213 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he wasn't a physician, you know, 481 00:32:45,253 --> 00:32:48,093 Speaker 4: he was a basic scientist and a physicist, but he 482 00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:54,293 Speaker 4: understood the astonishing properties of vitamin C and he obviously 483 00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:58,173 Speaker 4: treated himself with vitamin C. And so the point is 484 00:32:58,253 --> 00:33:03,093 Speaker 4: that it's a vitamin C is a particularly safe a 485 00:33:03,253 --> 00:33:09,373 Speaker 4: drug or mineral or supplement. It's almost it's impossible to 486 00:33:09,653 --> 00:33:13,453 Speaker 4: haunt somebody with vitamin C. So you know, you compare 487 00:33:13,493 --> 00:33:16,293 Speaker 4: that with many of the common drugs that we use 488 00:33:16,373 --> 00:33:20,613 Speaker 4: that have a terrible side effect profile. So you know, 489 00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:24,133 Speaker 4: vitamin C is what the big farmer in the industrial 490 00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:29,293 Speaker 4: complex despises, something which is cheap, something which is safe, 491 00:33:29,933 --> 00:33:33,573 Speaker 4: which has a very favorable side effect profile, and can 492 00:33:33,613 --> 00:33:40,333 Speaker 4: be highly effective. It's exactly the kind of pharmaceutical intervention 493 00:33:40,573 --> 00:33:41,333 Speaker 4: they despise. 494 00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:45,133 Speaker 2: So just before we move on, I know that you 495 00:33:45,213 --> 00:33:48,893 Speaker 2: sold this story. Well, I'm sure that you have told 496 00:33:48,893 --> 00:33:51,373 Speaker 2: this story so often, but I would like you to 497 00:33:51,373 --> 00:33:54,933 Speaker 2: repeat it, just briefly or otherwise as you want. When 498 00:33:54,933 --> 00:33:57,173 Speaker 2: you were in hospital, when you were working in hospital, 499 00:33:57,253 --> 00:34:00,733 Speaker 2: and you developed this so this protocol, the seventy three 500 00:34:00,773 --> 00:34:05,613 Speaker 2: year old woman who came in on death's or just 501 00:34:06,093 --> 00:34:07,613 Speaker 2: relate that experience for us. 502 00:34:07,933 --> 00:34:12,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember it to this day quite well. So 503 00:34:12,533 --> 00:34:15,973 Speaker 4: this was a lady in her seventies who had severe 504 00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:19,853 Speaker 4: overwhelming scepsis and as if I recall, it was from 505 00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:23,573 Speaker 4: the billary tract and she was in established septic shock. 506 00:34:24,413 --> 00:34:28,373 Speaker 4: Her heart was not functioning, she needed drugs to support 507 00:34:28,373 --> 00:34:32,133 Speaker 4: her blood pressure, she need a ventilator to support her lungs, 508 00:34:32,533 --> 00:34:37,253 Speaker 4: she needed that dialysis machine to control her kidney failure. 509 00:34:37,813 --> 00:34:40,573 Speaker 4: And so I knew this woman was dying from a 510 00:34:41,333 --> 00:34:45,293 Speaker 4: potentially treatable disease. So you know, I scratched my head 511 00:34:45,853 --> 00:34:50,093 Speaker 4: and I thought, you know, what can I do? You know, 512 00:34:50,493 --> 00:34:53,733 Speaker 4: which is what most physicians would do. 513 00:34:53,773 --> 00:34:57,093 Speaker 3: You know, you just you got to scratch the barrel. 514 00:34:57,133 --> 00:35:00,853 Speaker 4: And I was aware of a physician at the University 515 00:35:00,893 --> 00:35:04,533 Speaker 4: of Virginia who had been using vitamin C and I 516 00:35:04,573 --> 00:35:07,693 Speaker 4: looked up the dose that he had used, and I thought, 517 00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:09,293 Speaker 4: you know what, let me try this. 518 00:35:09,653 --> 00:35:11,973 Speaker 3: What do I have to lose? 519 00:35:13,213 --> 00:35:16,333 Speaker 4: So I asked the pharmacists did they have IVY vitamin C? 520 00:35:16,613 --> 00:35:19,533 Speaker 4: And indeed they did, so I said, well, you know, 521 00:35:19,613 --> 00:35:23,453 Speaker 4: could we please give this the vitamin C to this patient. 522 00:35:23,693 --> 00:35:27,053 Speaker 4: You know, she's dying, and I think it can help her. Obviously, 523 00:35:27,093 --> 00:35:30,533 Speaker 4: I had no idea what the outcome would be, you know, 524 00:35:30,653 --> 00:35:35,133 Speaker 4: I had expected that when I went home, the poor 525 00:35:35,213 --> 00:35:38,933 Speaker 4: lady would have passed on. And I was stunned. To 526 00:35:39,013 --> 00:35:41,693 Speaker 4: say I was stunned would be an understatement. The next 527 00:35:41,733 --> 00:35:46,013 Speaker 4: morning she was sitting up in bed, awake, alert and responsive, 528 00:35:46,653 --> 00:35:49,573 Speaker 4: and it was. It was truly one of the most 529 00:35:49,613 --> 00:35:53,533 Speaker 4: astonishing things that I had seen. And the nurses, of course, 530 00:35:53,613 --> 00:36:01,213 Speaker 4: were obviously overwhelmed with happiness and pleasure because they had 531 00:36:01,293 --> 00:36:05,653 Speaker 4: seen the miracle of vitamin C in action. And so obviously, 532 00:36:05,733 --> 00:36:09,013 Speaker 4: once you see something, you say, well, was it just 533 00:36:09,093 --> 00:36:12,013 Speaker 4: a flock? Was she going to get better? Or is 534 00:36:12,053 --> 00:36:15,813 Speaker 4: there is this a valid intervention. So we repeated it, 535 00:36:15,973 --> 00:36:19,213 Speaker 4: and each time we saw the same thing, and so 536 00:36:19,533 --> 00:36:24,133 Speaker 4: we knew that this was a real thing. What we did, though, 537 00:36:24,173 --> 00:36:27,373 Speaker 4: which is really important, is that we treated patients early. 538 00:36:27,773 --> 00:36:30,213 Speaker 4: So these are patients who came into the ICU were 539 00:36:30,213 --> 00:36:33,053 Speaker 4: really sick and they were dying the same way is 540 00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,093 Speaker 4: you know, as I said, you don't wait for patients 541 00:36:36,093 --> 00:36:39,973 Speaker 4: to get sicker. We gave the vitamin C immediately, upfront, 542 00:36:40,573 --> 00:36:43,173 Speaker 4: and so there have been a number of randomized trials 543 00:36:43,213 --> 00:36:48,293 Speaker 4: which have failed to replicate what we did, including a 544 00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:51,493 Speaker 4: study out of Australia. But what they did in this 545 00:36:51,533 --> 00:36:55,293 Speaker 4: particular study is they waited at least twenty four hours 546 00:36:55,333 --> 00:36:59,333 Speaker 4: after the patient had been admitted to hospital before they 547 00:36:59,333 --> 00:37:04,053 Speaker 4: had given the C, which makes absolutely no sense because 548 00:37:04,093 --> 00:37:07,453 Speaker 4: if you're at risk of dying, you want to intervene early. 549 00:37:08,133 --> 00:37:11,053 Speaker 4: I said before, there's no disease that benefits from a 550 00:37:11,253 --> 00:37:15,533 Speaker 4: delay in initiating therapy. But this was done, we think, 551 00:37:15,693 --> 00:37:20,453 Speaker 4: by design, to try and discredit vitamin C. And after that, 552 00:37:21,133 --> 00:37:24,253 Speaker 4: after that, you know, we continue to use vitamin C. 553 00:37:24,453 --> 00:37:29,133 Speaker 4: And we put together a observational study because my nurses 554 00:37:29,173 --> 00:37:34,013 Speaker 4: stought it unethical to do a randomized study. You know, 555 00:37:34,053 --> 00:37:36,973 Speaker 4: when you know something is effective, because the nurses could 556 00:37:36,973 --> 00:37:40,693 Speaker 4: see it, the risk of patients getting kidney failure went down, 557 00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:44,373 Speaker 4: the use of dialysis machines went down, the length of 558 00:37:44,413 --> 00:37:47,173 Speaker 4: stay in the ICU went down. So we kept on 559 00:37:47,293 --> 00:37:52,173 Speaker 4: doing this and we you know, we collected forty eight 560 00:37:52,253 --> 00:37:56,493 Speaker 4: patients and we we published the data as an observational study. 561 00:37:57,053 --> 00:38:01,213 Speaker 4: We used a retrospective control group and it did you know, 562 00:38:01,253 --> 00:38:05,653 Speaker 4: it did get people's attention, and we know from speaking 563 00:38:05,693 --> 00:38:10,133 Speaker 4: to clinicians that the response that we saw was very 564 00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:13,333 Speaker 4: similar to what they saw. But again, there were a 565 00:38:13,413 --> 00:38:17,453 Speaker 4: number of studies that were designed which we think we're 566 00:38:17,453 --> 00:38:20,613 Speaker 4: designed to fail, in which the vitamin C was given 567 00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:24,733 Speaker 4: very late, and you know in that situation it's likely 568 00:38:24,813 --> 00:38:28,493 Speaker 4: to be less effective. And I think today you know 569 00:38:28,573 --> 00:38:32,333 Speaker 4: there's still a lot of interesting vitamin C although you 570 00:38:32,373 --> 00:38:35,653 Speaker 4: know the powers that we think it's an effective therapy. 571 00:38:36,413 --> 00:38:41,773 Speaker 4: It's safe, which is really important. So at worst, what 572 00:38:42,213 --> 00:38:44,733 Speaker 4: you know, when people patients called me, I said, well, 573 00:38:45,133 --> 00:38:47,493 Speaker 4: you know what, what do you have to lose? All 574 00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:49,653 Speaker 4: that can happen is you can say of the patient's life, 575 00:38:49,693 --> 00:38:54,733 Speaker 4: it's exceedingly safe and it's cheap. But that goes against 576 00:38:54,893 --> 00:39:00,893 Speaker 4: you know, what the pharmaceutical industrial complex is trying to push. 577 00:39:01,253 --> 00:39:03,533 Speaker 2: You came from South Africa and I think ninety five 578 00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:05,533 Speaker 2: ninety two. 579 00:39:05,613 --> 00:39:10,133 Speaker 4: If I remember I left just before Part eight fell apart. 580 00:39:10,013 --> 00:39:13,213 Speaker 2: Well, your memory on that date would be better than mine, 581 00:39:13,253 --> 00:39:18,213 Speaker 2: of course, So you moved in ninety two, you discovered 582 00:39:18,253 --> 00:39:23,893 Speaker 2: success and recognition, and now you find yourself in a 583 00:39:23,933 --> 00:39:28,813 Speaker 2: position of unemployment in what is what is your career, 584 00:39:28,893 --> 00:39:33,973 Speaker 2: what you'd prefer to be doing. How are you well? 585 00:39:34,013 --> 00:39:36,333 Speaker 2: First of all, do you have any regrets on moving 586 00:39:36,333 --> 00:39:41,053 Speaker 2: to America after what's happened? And how are you now 587 00:39:41,653 --> 00:39:42,373 Speaker 2: making a living? 588 00:39:44,453 --> 00:39:44,693 Speaker 3: Yeah? 589 00:39:44,893 --> 00:39:47,973 Speaker 4: So you asked some good questions. So, you know, I 590 00:39:48,893 --> 00:39:52,173 Speaker 4: thought the move to the US was a good move. 591 00:39:52,253 --> 00:39:55,933 Speaker 4: It gave me enormous opportunities. I could achieve what I 592 00:39:55,973 --> 00:40:00,893 Speaker 4: wanted to achieve professionally. But obviously I had no idea 593 00:40:01,533 --> 00:40:05,293 Speaker 4: what was in store for me. You know, I thought, 594 00:40:05,413 --> 00:40:07,693 Speaker 4: if you were a scientist and you tell the truth, 595 00:40:07,773 --> 00:40:15,133 Speaker 4: that people value those characteristics. But certainly not so obviously, 596 00:40:15,653 --> 00:40:18,773 Speaker 4: you know, I'm telling the truth. And with COVID, I 597 00:40:18,813 --> 00:40:21,893 Speaker 4: lost my job, I lost my license, I lost my 598 00:40:21,973 --> 00:40:26,053 Speaker 4: hospital privileges. As you said, the American Board of Internal 599 00:40:26,093 --> 00:40:32,813 Speaker 4: Medicine decertified me. So basically, this system had made me unemployable, 600 00:40:34,693 --> 00:40:39,013 Speaker 4: which is, you know, which is a pity. But you 601 00:40:39,093 --> 00:40:39,453 Speaker 4: know what, I. 602 00:40:39,733 --> 00:40:43,013 Speaker 2: Don't sound angry. 603 00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:46,973 Speaker 4: You know what I've I missed clinical medicine because that's 604 00:40:46,973 --> 00:40:50,613 Speaker 4: what I was. I was a South African doctor who's 605 00:40:50,973 --> 00:40:57,253 Speaker 4: got enormous enjoyment and satisfaction from treating patients, you know, 606 00:40:58,053 --> 00:41:02,093 Speaker 4: direct patient contact, which I think is so important, But 607 00:41:02,413 --> 00:41:07,733 Speaker 4: I've had to kind of reinvent myself. Obviously financially it's 608 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:10,093 Speaker 4: I've taken in a big hit. But you know what, 609 00:41:10,333 --> 00:41:14,013 Speaker 4: money doesn't buy everything in this world. And so I 610 00:41:14,133 --> 00:41:17,693 Speaker 4: found a new niche of trying to tell the truth 611 00:41:18,253 --> 00:41:22,933 Speaker 4: as it goes to cancer, as it goes to diabetes, 612 00:41:23,013 --> 00:41:26,053 Speaker 4: as it goes to depression, as it goes to most 613 00:41:26,133 --> 00:41:31,453 Speaker 4: chronic diseases, because basically, the healthcare system in the US anyway, 614 00:41:31,573 --> 00:41:35,053 Speaker 4: and I would assume in most Western countries, is a 615 00:41:35,053 --> 00:41:41,373 Speaker 4: system based on chronic disease. It's a system which promotes sickness, 616 00:41:41,773 --> 00:41:45,973 Speaker 4: it promotes the use of medications. It's a sickness system 617 00:41:46,373 --> 00:41:50,333 Speaker 4: rather than a healthcare system. And so for many of 618 00:41:50,373 --> 00:41:53,853 Speaker 4: the diseases I've mentioned, you know, what they want to 619 00:41:53,893 --> 00:41:58,653 Speaker 4: do is get you hooked on medication for life. And 620 00:41:58,733 --> 00:42:01,173 Speaker 4: I give you as an example. I was a type 621 00:42:01,213 --> 00:42:04,533 Speaker 4: two diabetic and I thought I would have type two 622 00:42:04,573 --> 00:42:06,733 Speaker 4: diabetes for the rest of my life and I would 623 00:42:06,773 --> 00:42:13,373 Speaker 4: be dependent on expensive pharmaceutical products. But just adopting a 624 00:42:13,453 --> 00:42:17,613 Speaker 4: number of lifestyle changes which are not very difficult, I 625 00:42:17,733 --> 00:42:21,653 Speaker 4: was able to cure myself of diabetes. And you know, 626 00:42:21,693 --> 00:42:26,893 Speaker 4: you can say the same thing about metabolic syndrome, depression, 627 00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:33,733 Speaker 4: many autoimmune diseases that you know, patients can empower themselves 628 00:42:33,773 --> 00:42:37,333 Speaker 4: to take control, not to trust the healthcare system. It's 629 00:42:37,333 --> 00:42:40,173 Speaker 4: a terrible thing that I'm saying, and I say this 630 00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:44,973 Speaker 4: with a broken heart, that the healthcare system is not 631 00:42:45,053 --> 00:42:49,133 Speaker 4: a healthcare system. It's a disease system that's designed to 632 00:42:49,213 --> 00:42:51,773 Speaker 4: keep you as sick as you can for as long 633 00:42:51,853 --> 00:42:54,613 Speaker 4: as they can, and for them to make as much 634 00:42:54,693 --> 00:42:59,253 Speaker 4: money as they can. And so I have evolved, and 635 00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:02,493 Speaker 4: so I have. You know, I'm help people and I 636 00:43:02,533 --> 00:43:05,613 Speaker 4: think in this role maybe I've reached more people than 637 00:43:05,613 --> 00:43:06,413 Speaker 4: I did before. 638 00:43:08,533 --> 00:43:12,853 Speaker 2: You continue to do so. Guy Hatchett is an Englishman 639 00:43:12,893 --> 00:43:17,013 Speaker 2: who book up residents in New Zealand some considerable time back. 640 00:43:18,573 --> 00:43:20,813 Speaker 2: He is not a doctor, but he's a PhD in 641 00:43:21,533 --> 00:43:26,493 Speaker 2: an associated area. He published something on and he publishes 642 00:43:26,613 --> 00:43:30,253 Speaker 2: frequently and he's fighting a battle. But he published something 643 00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:34,493 Speaker 2: over this last weekend to do with New Zealand Emergency 644 00:43:34,533 --> 00:43:41,053 Speaker 2: Department data and via a Freedom of information request to 645 00:43:41,093 --> 00:43:45,453 Speaker 2: the Health Department or Health New Zealand, they were asked 646 00:43:45,533 --> 00:43:47,973 Speaker 2: for the number of people under the age of forty 647 00:43:48,493 --> 00:43:53,253 Speaker 2: presenting to emergency departments throughout New Zealand hospitals with chest 648 00:43:53,413 --> 00:43:57,893 Speaker 2: pain or heart issues by year, And here are some 649 00:43:58,493 --> 00:44:03,293 Speaker 2: quick figures twenty nineteen, twenty two hundred and nineteen, twenty 650 00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:08,413 Speaker 2: twenty four, four hundred and six, twenty one thirteen, one 651 00:44:08,533 --> 00:44:13,853 Speaker 2: thousand and sixty three, twenty two, twenty one thousand, four 652 00:44:13,893 --> 00:44:18,533 Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen, in twenty three, last year twenty thousand 653 00:44:18,573 --> 00:44:21,573 Speaker 2: and five, and so far this year, not so far 654 00:44:21,853 --> 00:44:24,373 Speaker 2: to June this year, halfway through the year it was 655 00:44:24,413 --> 00:44:29,973 Speaker 2: fourteen thousand, six hundred and thirty nine. How do those 656 00:44:30,013 --> 00:44:32,453 Speaker 2: figures affect you? What are your thoughts? 657 00:44:33,653 --> 00:44:36,933 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I think those figures are alarming and any 658 00:44:37,053 --> 00:44:43,533 Speaker 4: healthcare administrator or any healthcare anyone involved in healthcare should 659 00:44:43,573 --> 00:44:47,533 Speaker 4: be shocked by those data because obviously there's something that's 660 00:44:47,573 --> 00:44:52,773 Speaker 4: happened in our community that's affecting the health of young 661 00:44:52,853 --> 00:44:57,613 Speaker 4: people and their chodiovascular health. And you know, it's not 662 00:44:57,733 --> 00:45:02,573 Speaker 4: difficult to know what that intervention is. It certainly is 663 00:45:02,613 --> 00:45:06,093 Speaker 4: not climate change. Climate change has not caused all of 664 00:45:06,173 --> 00:45:10,773 Speaker 4: these heart attacks and chest pain. There is something that 665 00:45:10,893 --> 00:45:14,693 Speaker 4: happened in twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, and you know, 666 00:45:14,773 --> 00:45:18,613 Speaker 4: I'll let you guess or your listeners guess what it was, 667 00:45:19,213 --> 00:45:25,373 Speaker 4: but that intervention has directly increased the risk of cardiovascular disease, 668 00:45:26,133 --> 00:45:27,893 Speaker 4: chest pain, and sudden death. 669 00:45:28,773 --> 00:45:30,413 Speaker 3: And it's alarming. 670 00:45:31,093 --> 00:45:37,813 Speaker 4: And so if healthcare administrators or legislators were really interested 671 00:45:37,893 --> 00:45:41,933 Speaker 4: in healthcare of the community, they would investigate this in 672 00:45:42,333 --> 00:45:46,413 Speaker 4: significant depth and to try and figure out which, we 673 00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:52,453 Speaker 4: know what the cause is, the you know what has happened, 674 00:45:52,533 --> 00:45:56,053 Speaker 4: and what measures can be taken to protect these poor 675 00:45:56,093 --> 00:45:59,453 Speaker 4: people from further cardiovascular events. 676 00:45:59,733 --> 00:46:04,893 Speaker 2: I'll get your opinion. Also on his last short paragraph, 677 00:46:05,333 --> 00:46:09,533 Speaker 2: it is so far past time to recognize past mRNA 678 00:46:09,733 --> 00:46:14,973 Speaker 2: COVID vaccine harm and the growing dangers ahead, especially as 679 00:46:15,173 --> 00:46:18,693 Speaker 2: multiple mRNA vaccines are under development and soon to be 680 00:46:18,733 --> 00:46:23,693 Speaker 2: offered to the public. Our government is planning to deregulate biotechnology, 681 00:46:24,173 --> 00:46:26,973 Speaker 2: rushing like a must to the flame. This has to 682 00:46:27,013 --> 00:46:30,693 Speaker 2: stop now, And you would. 683 00:46:30,453 --> 00:46:33,493 Speaker 3: Say, yeah, I absolutely agree. 684 00:46:33,573 --> 00:46:35,933 Speaker 4: I mean so obviously, what I was saying is that 685 00:46:35,973 --> 00:46:40,493 Speaker 4: there's very good data that these jabs, these emerin a 686 00:46:40,613 --> 00:46:46,373 Speaker 4: genetic therapy jobs are directly responsible for the massive increase 687 00:46:46,613 --> 00:46:52,413 Speaker 4: in a sudden deaths in corriovascular events through multiple different pathways. 688 00:46:53,253 --> 00:46:54,573 Speaker 3: The spark protein is. 689 00:46:54,493 --> 00:46:59,413 Speaker 4: Probably the most toxic protein known to the human body. 690 00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:03,693 Speaker 4: It does all kinds of really bad things. A recent 691 00:47:03,773 --> 00:47:08,533 Speaker 4: paper in Nature, which is a really reputable journal, so 692 00:47:08,693 --> 00:47:10,373 Speaker 4: you know, we're going back to the journals. 693 00:47:10,373 --> 00:47:11,133 Speaker 3: Can you trust it? 694 00:47:11,213 --> 00:47:16,413 Speaker 4: But it actually showed that spike protein directly binds to fibrin, 695 00:47:17,013 --> 00:47:20,893 Speaker 4: which is a clotting protein and activates clotting. So you 696 00:47:20,933 --> 00:47:25,253 Speaker 4: know that wasn't censored up until now. And so we 697 00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:30,573 Speaker 4: know that spike protein causes inflammation of the lining of 698 00:47:30,733 --> 00:47:35,853 Speaker 4: the blood vessels, it causes inflammation in cardiac blood vessels, 699 00:47:36,213 --> 00:47:39,733 Speaker 4: it causes damage to the heart. So this is a 700 00:47:39,893 --> 00:47:45,173 Speaker 4: this is a well documented in the literature observation, and 701 00:47:45,253 --> 00:47:49,053 Speaker 4: so it puts the community at increased risk of sudden 702 00:47:49,093 --> 00:47:52,933 Speaker 4: cardiac deaths. And we know there's been an explosion of 703 00:47:53,173 --> 00:47:57,053 Speaker 4: sudden deaths in young people, which is very, very troubling. 704 00:47:59,533 --> 00:48:02,213 Speaker 2: How many speeches have you given so far? Just the one? 705 00:48:04,813 --> 00:48:06,533 Speaker 3: So it us it it. 706 00:48:07,373 --> 00:48:10,213 Speaker 4: We had an event in christ Church, I've given you know, 707 00:48:10,493 --> 00:48:13,733 Speaker 4: one lecture there, and we have an upcoming event in 708 00:48:13,773 --> 00:48:17,253 Speaker 4: Auckland and I'm going to repeat the same lecture. But 709 00:48:17,493 --> 00:48:21,213 Speaker 4: you know I've done many zoom conferences on this topic, 710 00:48:22,773 --> 00:48:25,813 Speaker 4: and you know, I will continue to tell the truth. 711 00:48:25,933 --> 00:48:29,293 Speaker 4: But you know, if people want to disagree, then that's fine. 712 00:48:29,333 --> 00:48:33,093 Speaker 4: We can have a civil conversation and discuss the science, 713 00:48:33,253 --> 00:48:38,573 Speaker 4: but you can't obliterate what you don't want to see. 714 00:48:38,933 --> 00:48:42,653 Speaker 2: Any doctors turn up for your christ Church speech. 715 00:48:43,053 --> 00:48:46,973 Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, So surprisingly, the attendance was very good. 716 00:48:47,093 --> 00:48:51,293 Speaker 4: You know, I would say fifty percent will maybe lay people, 717 00:48:51,333 --> 00:48:56,053 Speaker 4: fifty percent were physicians. And I think, you know, it's 718 00:48:56,093 --> 00:48:58,853 Speaker 4: a delight to speak to these people because you feel 719 00:48:59,293 --> 00:49:02,653 Speaker 4: that you are you're amongst your brothers and sisters, that 720 00:49:02,733 --> 00:49:06,173 Speaker 4: you like minded people, and you can talk to each other. 721 00:49:06,253 --> 00:49:09,333 Speaker 4: And it was very enlightening. I think it was enlightening 722 00:49:09,373 --> 00:49:12,853 Speaker 4: for me, but for the audience as well. And that's 723 00:49:12,853 --> 00:49:15,893 Speaker 4: what we need more of, is let's have open dialogue, 724 00:49:16,013 --> 00:49:19,533 Speaker 4: Let's talk to each other. Let's be civil to each other. 725 00:49:20,133 --> 00:49:25,853 Speaker 4: Rather than all these censorship and recriminations and tapers being 726 00:49:25,893 --> 00:49:29,933 Speaker 4: withdrawn and books being banned. I think that's heading in 727 00:49:29,973 --> 00:49:31,053 Speaker 4: a really bad direction. 728 00:49:32,413 --> 00:49:36,133 Speaker 2: But it's hitting in that direction along with another a 729 00:49:36,253 --> 00:49:41,773 Speaker 2: number of other causes. Shall we say, of those doctors 730 00:49:41,813 --> 00:49:46,493 Speaker 2: who turned up for christ Church, did any challenge you? Seriously? 731 00:49:48,173 --> 00:49:49,893 Speaker 3: No, I can't think of this thing. 732 00:49:49,973 --> 00:49:52,453 Speaker 4: You know, we had many you know, after the lecture, 733 00:49:52,453 --> 00:49:56,213 Speaker 4: I spoke to many physicians and none of them could present, 734 00:49:56,653 --> 00:50:00,933 Speaker 4: you know, data which discredited what I had to say. 735 00:50:01,533 --> 00:50:06,053 Speaker 4: So I think that they were in full agreement because 736 00:50:06,093 --> 00:50:09,293 Speaker 4: if you look at the data they even the data 737 00:50:09,333 --> 00:50:14,093 Speaker 4: that's published, it's overwhelming. It's you know, it's very difficult 738 00:50:14,133 --> 00:50:17,333 Speaker 4: to dispute the obvious. For example, I can give you 739 00:50:17,493 --> 00:50:21,893 Speaker 4: quote one study from the Cleveland Clinic. The Cleveland Clinic 740 00:50:22,053 --> 00:50:26,453 Speaker 4: is regarded as one of the most prestigious medical institutions 741 00:50:26,493 --> 00:50:31,613 Speaker 4: in the world, and basically what they showed is the 742 00:50:31,653 --> 00:50:35,493 Speaker 4: more the increasing number of times you get jabbed, So 743 00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:40,213 Speaker 4: those patients who received the most number of vaccinations had 744 00:50:40,253 --> 00:50:44,053 Speaker 4: the increased risk of getting COVID. So rather than the 745 00:50:44,173 --> 00:50:48,333 Speaker 4: jab protecting you, it seemed that the more times that 746 00:50:48,533 --> 00:50:55,013 Speaker 4: they received the vaccine, the more times, the greater their 747 00:50:55,093 --> 00:50:58,053 Speaker 4: risk of getting COVID, so that the risk of COVID 748 00:50:58,133 --> 00:51:02,173 Speaker 4: increased with the number of jabs. I mean, it's very 749 00:51:02,213 --> 00:51:03,173 Speaker 4: compelling data. 750 00:51:05,733 --> 00:51:12,733 Speaker 2: I want I want to raise another subject just before 751 00:51:12,773 --> 00:51:18,373 Speaker 2: we conclude, and just just get your opinion. So I 752 00:51:18,413 --> 00:51:23,413 Speaker 2: asked this as an innocent question, do you have an 753 00:51:23,413 --> 00:51:28,013 Speaker 2: opinion on statins. 754 00:51:28,533 --> 00:51:31,133 Speaker 4: So that's a really interesting question. As I say, you know, 755 00:51:32,093 --> 00:51:35,333 Speaker 4: I have changed, as is my understanding. I used to 756 00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:35,653 Speaker 4: take a. 757 00:51:35,693 --> 00:51:38,613 Speaker 3: Statin until I became. 758 00:51:38,253 --> 00:51:41,533 Speaker 4: Aware of the staten hoax. It's a complete and at 759 00:51:41,533 --> 00:51:46,133 Speaker 4: a hoax that these drugs have significant side effects. In fact, 760 00:51:46,373 --> 00:51:50,173 Speaker 4: you know, what they do is to interfere with cholesterol synthesis, 761 00:51:50,693 --> 00:51:54,093 Speaker 4: and the probably the most important organ that depends on 762 00:51:54,293 --> 00:51:58,333 Speaker 4: cholesterol is the brain. The brand has a high cholesterol content, 763 00:51:58,413 --> 00:52:02,853 Speaker 4: and there's very good data showing that statins increase your 764 00:52:02,933 --> 00:52:06,813 Speaker 4: risk of dementia. We know statan's increase the risk of 765 00:52:07,013 --> 00:52:11,453 Speaker 4: liver disease. Statins increase the risk of muscle disease, but 766 00:52:11,613 --> 00:52:16,573 Speaker 4: do they protect and the data suggests that if for 767 00:52:16,813 --> 00:52:23,013 Speaker 4: primary prophylaxis, the use of statins has negligible impact, So 768 00:52:23,373 --> 00:52:26,373 Speaker 4: it increases the risk of side effects with very little 769 00:52:26,413 --> 00:52:31,373 Speaker 4: positive benefit. There may be certain subgroups of patients that 770 00:52:31,573 --> 00:52:35,573 Speaker 4: may benefit from a statin for a short time limited 771 00:52:35,693 --> 00:52:39,973 Speaker 4: trial six months, but these are not drugs that should 772 00:52:39,973 --> 00:52:44,493 Speaker 4: be given lifelong. It just so happens that a statin 773 00:52:45,173 --> 00:52:49,093 Speaker 4: a torv staaten, is the most commonly prescribed drug in 774 00:52:49,093 --> 00:52:54,333 Speaker 4: the United States. Of America. That's this stranglehold big farma 775 00:52:54,733 --> 00:53:00,573 Speaker 4: has on the medical system. We used to think that 776 00:53:00,613 --> 00:53:04,133 Speaker 4: statins were effective in preventing heart disease, but we've now 777 00:53:04,373 --> 00:53:06,453 Speaker 4: discovered that the converse is true. 778 00:53:06,653 --> 00:53:09,613 Speaker 2: When you say where would where would one find that 779 00:53:10,133 --> 00:53:11,853 Speaker 2: information confirmation? 780 00:53:13,493 --> 00:53:16,013 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's actually a few books that have been written 781 00:53:16,013 --> 00:53:20,093 Speaker 4: called the Staaten Hoax, which I would suggest people read. 782 00:53:20,493 --> 00:53:24,973 Speaker 4: You know, obviously, the medical literature, the major medical journals 783 00:53:25,053 --> 00:53:29,333 Speaker 4: aren't going to promote this idea, but there have been 784 00:53:29,413 --> 00:53:32,973 Speaker 4: meta analyses that have been done published in peer review 785 00:53:33,093 --> 00:53:38,493 Speaker 4: journals which actually show that the mortality benefit of primary 786 00:53:38,493 --> 00:53:42,693 Speaker 4: profile acces with Staaten's is close to zero, close to zero, 787 00:53:43,173 --> 00:53:46,053 Speaker 4: and we do know that Statin's increased. As I said, 788 00:53:46,053 --> 00:53:52,373 Speaker 4: there is a dementia, diabetes, lever disease, muscle disease. So, 789 00:53:52,613 --> 00:53:54,533 Speaker 4: you know, the truth ready is important. 790 00:53:55,373 --> 00:54:00,573 Speaker 2: But the eternal question is what is truth? That doesn't 791 00:54:00,613 --> 00:54:01,573 Speaker 2: require an answer? 792 00:54:03,373 --> 00:54:04,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's something. 793 00:54:05,533 --> 00:54:07,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you ask a really good question what 794 00:54:07,653 --> 00:54:10,293 Speaker 4: is the truth? And I think, you know, I think 795 00:54:10,333 --> 00:54:15,093 Speaker 4: people need to question everything they told to, you know, 796 00:54:15,293 --> 00:54:21,453 Speaker 4: to verify its source and to verify this scientific rigorousness, 797 00:54:21,813 --> 00:54:26,773 Speaker 4: and just to not you know, we so brainwashed. We 798 00:54:26,853 --> 00:54:31,373 Speaker 4: need to start thinking critically and start using our brain 799 00:54:31,573 --> 00:54:35,573 Speaker 4: rather than believing everything we told, and then hopefully we 800 00:54:35,613 --> 00:54:37,413 Speaker 4: will come to some kind of a truth. 801 00:54:38,853 --> 00:54:45,133 Speaker 2: Indeed, So finally, Robert Malone, are you friends with him? 802 00:54:45,373 --> 00:54:47,613 Speaker 3: I know Robert quite well. 803 00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:52,133 Speaker 4: We acquaint I would say we acquaintances rather than good friends. 804 00:54:52,973 --> 00:54:57,773 Speaker 2: Sometimes that's better. Yeah, he published, and by the way, 805 00:54:57,813 --> 00:55:00,653 Speaker 2: I've got I have to say this. I can't accept 806 00:55:00,653 --> 00:55:04,853 Speaker 2: that he writes everything himself. Orbit accept that he agrees 807 00:55:04,893 --> 00:55:08,333 Speaker 2: with it and may even commission it. But he publish 808 00:55:08,333 --> 00:55:11,133 Speaker 2: It's a fifty seven page because I got it here. 809 00:55:11,173 --> 00:55:16,093 Speaker 2: I printed it a great expense to myself. He published 810 00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:19,973 Speaker 2: only a few weeks ago, Packed for the Future, the 811 00:55:20,053 --> 00:55:28,253 Speaker 2: Socialist Manifesto fifty seven pages, and it begins September twenty 812 00:55:28,333 --> 00:55:30,773 Speaker 2: twenty four. The United Nations will be meeting in New 813 00:55:30,853 --> 00:55:34,213 Speaker 2: York to discuss and vote on three new treaties. The 814 00:55:34,253 --> 00:55:37,933 Speaker 2: first to be discussed is called the Pact for the Future. 815 00:55:38,493 --> 00:55:41,173 Speaker 2: I'm not going to insult you all by stating that 816 00:55:41,893 --> 00:55:44,813 Speaker 2: or what I think about this document without having presented 817 00:55:44,813 --> 00:55:47,093 Speaker 2: the treaty for all of you to pursue. Keep in 818 00:55:47,133 --> 00:55:49,973 Speaker 2: mind that this is just one of three treaties or 819 00:55:50,053 --> 00:55:54,413 Speaker 2: packs up for vote and signing at the UN end 820 00:55:54,453 --> 00:55:59,413 Speaker 2: of September. That's by way of introduction to what I've received. Again. 821 00:55:59,613 --> 00:56:03,093 Speaker 2: Only this morning, the UN just adopted the Packed for 822 00:56:03,133 --> 00:56:07,053 Speaker 2: the Future, which lays the foundation for a new global order. 823 00:56:07,373 --> 00:56:10,373 Speaker 2: That's what it says, a new global order. You have 824 00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:14,133 Speaker 2: any comment to make on the UN, the who and 825 00:56:14,213 --> 00:56:14,893 Speaker 2: where they're headed. 826 00:56:16,773 --> 00:56:20,333 Speaker 4: I think it's terrifying and I think we should be 827 00:56:20,853 --> 00:56:26,053 Speaker 4: do whatever we can to speak to people in government, 828 00:56:26,173 --> 00:56:29,053 Speaker 4: speak of people in power, Speak to our legislators that 829 00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:32,133 Speaker 4: the WH and the UN need to take their fingers 830 00:56:32,173 --> 00:56:34,893 Speaker 4: out of our lives. You know, that they should not 831 00:56:35,013 --> 00:56:38,893 Speaker 4: be dictating how we live, where we live, what we eat. 832 00:56:39,453 --> 00:56:45,173 Speaker 4: And I think this one power government is a very 833 00:56:45,293 --> 00:56:48,893 Speaker 4: dangerous slippery slope and we should be outraged. 834 00:56:49,573 --> 00:56:53,893 Speaker 2: And yet it hardly gets any mention, any discussion in 835 00:56:54,253 --> 00:56:57,933 Speaker 2: the mainstream media. It is something that seems to be 836 00:56:58,173 --> 00:57:02,173 Speaker 2: or seems to fit in with the general acceptance of 837 00:57:02,453 --> 00:57:03,373 Speaker 2: what is yet to come. 838 00:57:05,533 --> 00:57:05,813 Speaker 3: Yeah. 839 00:57:05,853 --> 00:57:09,653 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think it's imperative that people are aware of 840 00:57:10,653 --> 00:57:14,093 Speaker 4: where the UN and w H is going, and we 841 00:57:14,133 --> 00:57:16,813 Speaker 4: need to do whatever we can to prevent. You know, 842 00:57:16,893 --> 00:57:23,453 Speaker 4: we need to restore democracy. We need to restore human dignity, 843 00:57:23,613 --> 00:57:28,973 Speaker 4: we need to restore you know, human individuality, and we're 844 00:57:29,013 --> 00:57:31,853 Speaker 4: going down a terrible slippery slope. 845 00:57:32,093 --> 00:57:34,733 Speaker 2: Well you said the not just on a path, you're 846 00:57:34,813 --> 00:57:37,133 Speaker 2: well on the on the way to shall I say, 847 00:57:37,133 --> 00:57:41,133 Speaker 2: a destination that is to be admired and you are 848 00:57:41,173 --> 00:57:44,253 Speaker 2: to be congratulated. Thank you so much for the time 849 00:57:44,293 --> 00:57:48,293 Speaker 2: you've given. Glad you made it to New Zealand, and 850 00:57:48,373 --> 00:57:51,493 Speaker 2: I hope the rest of your your journey and your 851 00:57:51,973 --> 00:57:53,573 Speaker 2: speeches are successful. 852 00:57:54,733 --> 00:57:55,933 Speaker 3: Well, thank you kindly. 853 00:57:56,013 --> 00:57:58,933 Speaker 4: It's been a delight speaking with you, and I've really 854 00:57:59,613 --> 00:58:02,453 Speaker 4: enjoyed it, and so thank you kindly my. 855 00:58:02,533 --> 00:58:06,773 Speaker 2: Pleasure, and I speak on behalf of some considerable thousands 856 00:58:06,773 --> 00:58:09,493 Speaker 2: of people. Thank you so much, Paul. 857 00:58:10,413 --> 00:58:11,253 Speaker 3: Thank you my friend. 858 00:58:29,293 --> 00:58:32,773 Speaker 2: Now I'm doing it a little differently this year. At 859 00:58:32,773 --> 00:58:36,093 Speaker 2: the end of the replay, I usually have a few 860 00:58:36,093 --> 00:58:38,973 Speaker 2: words to say, and every year I have to struggle 861 00:58:38,973 --> 00:58:41,613 Speaker 2: to think up what the appropriate thing is to put 862 00:58:41,613 --> 00:58:45,533 Speaker 2: in this particular plot. So I've decided to give myself 863 00:58:45,573 --> 00:58:47,973 Speaker 2: a break and do one that covers all of them. 864 00:58:48,053 --> 00:58:50,653 Speaker 2: So if you've heard this before, you can turn it 865 00:58:50,693 --> 00:58:53,933 Speaker 2: off because you've heard it because it's going to be 866 00:58:53,933 --> 00:58:57,293 Speaker 2: the same one for each of the seven replays. Now, 867 00:58:57,613 --> 00:59:00,253 Speaker 2: if this is the first one, then I trust that 868 00:59:00,293 --> 00:59:03,973 Speaker 2: you're having a wonderful holiday. If you're not on holiday yet, 869 00:59:03,973 --> 00:59:08,693 Speaker 2: your time will come. Rest assured. I have enjoyed doing 870 00:59:08,733 --> 00:59:12,373 Speaker 2: these because read listening to them myself, I get more 871 00:59:12,413 --> 00:59:14,853 Speaker 2: out of them and I see things, or I should say, 872 00:59:14,933 --> 00:59:17,813 Speaker 2: I hear things that I might have got slightly wrong 873 00:59:17,893 --> 00:59:19,853 Speaker 2: or I could have done better, So it's a learning 874 00:59:19,893 --> 00:59:24,813 Speaker 2: curve as well. Anyway, we will be back for the 875 00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:29,013 Speaker 2: next one a week from this particular release, unless, of 876 00:59:29,013 --> 00:59:31,453 Speaker 2: course it's the last one, which is on the twenty 877 00:59:31,533 --> 00:59:34,573 Speaker 2: ninth of January, and that'll be the end of this 878 00:59:35,133 --> 00:59:38,893 Speaker 2: replay series. Add on February five, we shall return with 879 00:59:39,093 --> 00:59:43,373 Speaker 2: fresh content in the meantime at any stage, drop us 880 00:59:43,373 --> 00:59:45,093 Speaker 2: on notes if you've got comment that you'd like to 881 00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:47,813 Speaker 2: make later at Newstalks atb dot co dot Enzen and 882 00:59:47,853 --> 00:59:52,733 Speaker 2: Caroline at Newstalks ATB dot co dot Nz and we 883 00:59:52,773 --> 00:59:53,853 Speaker 2: shall talk soon. 884 01:00:01,733 --> 01:00:05,373 Speaker 1: Thank you for more from News Talks at b Listen 885 01:00:05,453 --> 01:00:08,493 Speaker 1: live on air or online, and keep our shows with 886 01:00:08,533 --> 01:00:11,693 Speaker 1: you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio