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Speaker 1: Head a duplicyl coming up nineteen past five. Now, the

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Speaker 1: government's being told it needs to help pay for reality

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Speaker 1: TV shows that are made locally. So at the moment,

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Speaker 1: local versions of shows like Maths and whatnot, they don't

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Speaker 1: get the full forty percent screen production rebate that is

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Speaker 1: available in New Zealand, and all of our major TV

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Speaker 1: broadcasters want them obviously to be able to get that.

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Speaker 1: Irene Gardner is president of Sparta, is with us. Now, Hey, Irene,

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Speaker 1: hi there. If they're not getting the forty percent, what

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Speaker 1: are they getting.

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Speaker 2: Historically, those big format shows were made with commercial money.

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Speaker 2: They were made with network money, which came from advertising revenue. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: what's happened in our local industry is because of years

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Speaker 2: and years of the big techers operating here without regulation,

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Speaker 2: advertising revenue is massively reduced and the spend that the

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Speaker 2: big networks are TVNZ and three for local content has

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Speaker 2: basically gone down by about fifty million a year, which

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Speaker 2: you know, which is like about half. So it's massive

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Speaker 2: and in a weird kind of a way, we've got

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Speaker 2: a weird situation that's developed in New Zealand where the

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Speaker 2: less commercial kinds of shows which have historically been funded

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Speaker 2: by our funding agencies. Ends it on air, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: are in a stronger position now. They're our more commercial,

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Speaker 2: more popular, more loved shows, including some of those big

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Speaker 2: format style. They're probably more the format entertainment end than

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Speaker 2: the really low end reality, because that's, you know, the

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Speaker 2: really low end of reality, the sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: real house wives of whatever. That's not what New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: tend to like. It's the more sophisticated ones like the Traitors,

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Speaker 2: the block Master Chef, and those shows are now super

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Speaker 2: super vulnerable. So what we have been advocating for is

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Speaker 2: a few enhancement to the screen production rebate that we

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Speaker 2: stick part of it so that those shows which have

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Speaker 2: historically not been eligible if they're based on an international format,

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Speaker 2: might be eligible to get that rebate back, which would

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Speaker 2: mean the networks would still have to put money in

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Speaker 2: and the producers would still have to find international or

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Speaker 2: other money to support that. So this is quite hard

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Speaker 2: to get together. So it's not like this is going

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Speaker 2: to suddenly be like a rush of millions of shows.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be the big ones that the

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Speaker 2: big production companies can get international money and get these

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Speaker 2: shows to happen, but the rebate will just be the

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Speaker 2: thing that will get them over the line so that

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Speaker 2: we get to keep some of those you know, popular

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Speaker 2: show shows.

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Speaker 1: Master Chef won't offend anybody. But are we talking about

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Speaker 1: shows like f Boy Island.

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Speaker 2: I would be very surprised if that's the sort of

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Speaker 2: thing that a New Zealand production company would do in

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Speaker 2: the current climate, because it just wouldn't really be pogular enough.

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Speaker 2: There is a sort of a weird I don't know

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Speaker 2: what the double standards is the right expression. I mean,

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Speaker 2: maybe a loophole where weirdly, the international rebate, which, which

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Speaker 2: to be fair, is an entirely business incentive, whereas the

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Speaker 2: domestic one has a little bit of a cultural attachment

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Speaker 2: to it, but the international one. Weirdly, if an international

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Speaker 2: production company decided to do one of those low end

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Speaker 2: reality shows here, they would get their twenty percent rebate. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but if a New Zealand company tried to do it,

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't. So there's a sort of a weird little

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Speaker 2: twist there.

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Speaker 1: It's a very complicated, isn't it. Iron It is a

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Speaker 1: little bit complicated. Yeah, we better go, thank you, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, but we need, we need to move on.

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Speaker 1: We'll definitely check us onto the hard latter on this

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Speaker 1: Irene Gardener Sparta President. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive,

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