1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,400 Speaker 1: Right. 2 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, despite all of the doom in the gloom, it 3 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 2: turns out the cops are having no trouble attracting recruits. 4 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: More than thirteen hundred applications were made in July. This 5 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: is the most on record and to keep up with 6 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: the demand, the cops are going to increase the capacity 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: at the training college. And with me now is the 8 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Police Association President Chris Carhill. 9 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Hey, Chris, good morning Heather. 10 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: So have we been all proven wrong with the warnings 11 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: that if we give them poor pay they're all going 12 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: to go to Australia. 13 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Well, I think we have to say the proof is 14 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: in the pudding. Definitely. We haven't seen a big exodus, 15 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: which is a little bit surprising because the officers are good. 16 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: But I suppose the attractions of far now New Zealander 17 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: are paying off, So that's a positive. And look, you 18 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: have to say, these recruit numbers, you know, there's some 19 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: provisers I'll talk about, but again it's very positive to 20 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: get those sort of numbers. 21 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: What's the what are the provisos? 22 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Well, I think the three reasons that we're getting this 23 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: one is clearly the state of the economy. Police are 24 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: singers with stable employment, so that's going to be an attraction. 25 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: The second is police change. A couple of rules is 26 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: that you don't have to have a full licensese when 27 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: you apply. You have to before you get to the college, 28 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: but not when you apply. And the second is you 29 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: don't have to be a New Zealand citizen anymore. You 30 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: have to be only a New Zealand resident. So I 31 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: think that's made a change in what seen applicants. So 32 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: the real key figure will be what's the conversion rate 33 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: of applicants to actual recruits. Currently it's about twelve percent 34 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: of applicants go on to join police. So we just 35 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: need to see that those figures at least stay the 36 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: same percentage of ice and if they do, we're certainly 37 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: going to get a lot of recruits. 38 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: When do they actually drop out? Do they drop out 39 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: before they go into the college or afterwards? 40 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: Now before they go in, So there's a lot of 41 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: people will apply and then they just don't meet a 42 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: variety of standards that are required. That's the key for 43 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: us is making sure the standards stay high. I mean, 44 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: I think one of the things I'll be interested to 45 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: see and this is a positive but has some issues 46 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: as well. As with the residency, cause I sus speak, 47 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: we're going to get a lot of people which have 48 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: English as a second language. Now that's great in some 49 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: ways that you're getting diversity, and they'll be a different 50 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: place of policing which will reflect what New Zealand's becoming 51 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: as well. So that's good, but it does make life 52 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: hard for them as an officer, and there needs a 53 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: lot more support around them, especially in the early stages. 54 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: So we not have a language standard, because surely there 55 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: should be a language standard. I mean, if you've got 56 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: somebody taking down notes about what's happening and quoting you back, 57 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: there's some nuance in the language that's really important, isn't that? 58 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, and there's certainly is the language standard. But 59 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: I mean it's just the fact that life when it's 60 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: your second language, it presents more challenges and as I say, 61 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: that can be positive, but it doesn't mean there needs 62 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: to be more support around them, especially when it's how 63 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, the comprehension of what someone might say and 64 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: what they mean can be different, and it's just making 65 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: sure that those nuances are worked through. As it's not 66 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: a bad thing, it just means there needs to be 67 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: plenty of supporter around those officers that apply. But look, 68 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: we can't get away from those sort of figures. They're 69 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: quite startling figures and as I say, we need to 70 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: see that conclusion right. 71 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: But it's positive, Chris, good to talk to you. Thank 72 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: you very much. Make really appreciate this, as Chris Carhill 73 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: of the Police Association. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 74 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: listen live to news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, 75 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.