1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,707 Speaker 1: from News Talk Zed bing. 3 00:00:12,787 --> 00:00:15,187 Speaker 2: Up at twenty nine to nineteen winning Hamilton last night, 4 00:00:15,227 --> 00:00:18,667 Speaker 2: securing a three nil series sweep over France having trialed 5 00:00:18,787 --> 00:00:21,947 Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen at half time, Brady McAllister on Test debut 6 00:00:22,307 --> 00:00:25,667 Speaker 2: and Duplicy Codifi on the occasion, offers first test start, 7 00:00:25,907 --> 00:00:27,987 Speaker 2: scored crucial second half tries. 8 00:00:27,947 --> 00:00:30,507 Speaker 3: For McKinsey, stabs in a little kick into the end 9 00:00:30,547 --> 00:00:33,067 Speaker 3: goal Puller bounds up for semi race, bounce a zach 10 00:00:33,147 --> 00:00:36,067 Speaker 3: for refe plays to the whistle. He's gotten it down 11 00:00:36,307 --> 00:00:39,987 Speaker 3: and Duplassy Canepy has a first Test try and the 12 00:00:40,107 --> 00:00:42,267 Speaker 3: All Blacks hit the lead for the first time tonight. 13 00:00:42,827 --> 00:00:46,987 Speaker 2: Former All Blacks locke Steve Gordon provided our expert analysis 14 00:00:47,107 --> 00:00:49,707 Speaker 2: during our radio call last night. He join's just now, Steve, 15 00:00:49,707 --> 00:00:51,547 Speaker 2: great to work alongside you last night. What do you 16 00:00:51,587 --> 00:00:54,987 Speaker 2: think the overriding feeling will be today among the All 17 00:00:55,027 --> 00:00:56,107 Speaker 2: Blacks coaching staff. 18 00:00:57,627 --> 00:00:58,787 Speaker 4: Well, though, we please have got it done. 19 00:00:58,827 --> 00:01:01,507 Speaker 5: It's always nice to whitewash a team and win a 20 00:01:01,587 --> 00:01:04,427 Speaker 5: series three nil, but I think they'd be a little 21 00:01:04,427 --> 00:01:06,907 Speaker 5: bit of a little bit of frustration. They it's the 22 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:09,787 Speaker 5: coordination cohesion that perhaps I are looking for out of 23 00:01:09,787 --> 00:01:13,947 Speaker 5: the series. But they did expose a lot of players 24 00:01:13,947 --> 00:01:14,867 Speaker 5: to test. 25 00:01:14,747 --> 00:01:16,427 Speaker 4: Rugby in the international environment. 26 00:01:16,747 --> 00:01:19,267 Speaker 5: But I think they will be quitely confident too that 27 00:01:19,747 --> 00:01:25,067 Speaker 5: they've unearthed a few new potential superstars in their squad 28 00:01:25,147 --> 00:01:25,587 Speaker 5: going forward. 29 00:01:25,707 --> 00:01:27,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about a couple of players 30 00:01:27,147 --> 00:01:29,267 Speaker 2: in a moment, But you talk about that cohesion when 31 00:01:29,307 --> 00:01:31,987 Speaker 2: that is not achieved. Is that down to you or 32 00:01:32,067 --> 00:01:34,187 Speaker 2: is it also down to the way the opposition approach 33 00:01:34,267 --> 00:01:34,587 Speaker 2: a game. 34 00:01:35,267 --> 00:01:36,867 Speaker 4: I think it's down the opposition. I thought the French 35 00:01:36,907 --> 00:01:37,427 Speaker 4: were pretty good. 36 00:01:37,947 --> 00:01:41,507 Speaker 5: They were really really organized in defense, and you along 37 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:43,427 Speaker 5: on the sideline pinting, you may comment a couple of 38 00:01:43,507 --> 00:01:46,387 Speaker 5: times about just how quick they were coming up and 39 00:01:46,387 --> 00:01:50,267 Speaker 5: how aggressive and physical they were at contact at Ruck 40 00:01:50,307 --> 00:01:52,467 Speaker 5: and Moll and just the ability to get an all 41 00:01:52,467 --> 00:01:56,307 Speaker 5: blacks face and shut them down. And he'd have been 42 00:01:56,347 --> 00:01:59,547 Speaker 5: guilty comment, you know, right at the beginning of the 43 00:01:59,587 --> 00:02:03,147 Speaker 5: tour about not letting all blacks be good at what 44 00:02:03,187 --> 00:02:06,307 Speaker 5: they do. And so they did that really, really effectively 45 00:02:06,547 --> 00:02:08,627 Speaker 5: in the first sixty minutes. They fell away towards the 46 00:02:08,667 --> 00:02:10,507 Speaker 5: end event, but I don't think they subs made as 47 00:02:10,627 --> 00:02:14,867 Speaker 5: much impact as ours did. But I think he'll be Yeah, 48 00:02:15,067 --> 00:02:18,467 Speaker 5: he'll be pleased what they achieved in the ability to 49 00:02:18,907 --> 00:02:21,827 Speaker 5: limit the All Blacks and how they approached the game. 50 00:02:22,147 --> 00:02:24,747 Speaker 2: So as the All Blacks now planning for the Rugby Championship, 51 00:02:24,747 --> 00:02:26,587 Speaker 2: they've got a couple of weeks off, well actually a 52 00:02:26,627 --> 00:02:29,547 Speaker 2: month until they play Argentina and then those two massive 53 00:02:29,547 --> 00:02:32,147 Speaker 2: tests at home against South Africa. What do you think 54 00:02:32,187 --> 00:02:36,467 Speaker 2: the one or two things that they'll be majorly focused 55 00:02:36,507 --> 00:02:38,587 Speaker 2: on will be ahead of the Rugby Championship. 56 00:02:38,827 --> 00:02:41,147 Speaker 5: I think they've got to look at their kicking game. 57 00:02:41,227 --> 00:02:43,027 Speaker 5: I don't think they kicked particularly well. They didn't find 58 00:02:43,067 --> 00:02:45,707 Speaker 5: brass and the kick chases and needs a little bit 59 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:46,187 Speaker 5: of a work on. 60 00:02:47,867 --> 00:02:49,867 Speaker 4: I think they will be unearthed. 61 00:02:49,947 --> 00:02:55,987 Speaker 5: You know, a real potential damaging scrummager and fletching yaw. 62 00:02:56,947 --> 00:03:00,027 Speaker 5: He has been incredible over over the last two months 63 00:03:00,067 --> 00:03:03,827 Speaker 5: and his rugby and in particularly his scrummaging and probably 64 00:03:03,827 --> 00:03:05,547 Speaker 5: at the end of that obviously the talking port and 65 00:03:05,587 --> 00:03:10,627 Speaker 5: Favian Holland, how sensational He's been playing three full tests 66 00:03:11,107 --> 00:03:13,187 Speaker 5: as a twenty two year old, making his debut for 67 00:03:13,187 --> 00:03:16,227 Speaker 5: the All Blacks and debut season which is outstanding. But 68 00:03:17,227 --> 00:03:20,667 Speaker 5: I think they'll be concerned in a few areas that 69 00:03:20,707 --> 00:03:22,147 Speaker 5: they'll really want to go away. 70 00:03:21,987 --> 00:03:22,387 Speaker 4: And work on. 71 00:03:22,787 --> 00:03:26,347 Speaker 5: But any footy and anytime you know you've got new 72 00:03:26,387 --> 00:03:29,027 Speaker 5: players getting exposed to that environment and time in the 73 00:03:29,027 --> 00:03:32,867 Speaker 5: middle is just gold. And coming up a French team 74 00:03:33,027 --> 00:03:35,547 Speaker 5: in that third Test that was a how a lot 75 00:03:35,587 --> 00:03:40,267 Speaker 5: more organized and cohesive from the first two. I think 76 00:03:40,307 --> 00:03:45,827 Speaker 5: that they'll would have enjoyed seeing how his squad responded 77 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:48,667 Speaker 5: to that pressure and what the French style brought and 78 00:03:48,667 --> 00:03:50,547 Speaker 5: how they responded to it, how they broke it down. 79 00:03:50,667 --> 00:03:54,347 Speaker 5: And we can go back to Artie's comments he made 80 00:03:54,387 --> 00:03:56,427 Speaker 5: after the game is that they just had to find 81 00:03:56,467 --> 00:03:58,307 Speaker 5: a way how to get it done and they did 82 00:03:58,347 --> 00:03:59,187 Speaker 5: that successfully. 83 00:03:59,427 --> 00:04:01,747 Speaker 2: Just on Fleacher newl he started the first two test matches, 84 00:04:01,747 --> 00:04:04,907 Speaker 2: came off the bench last night. What is his best 85 00:04:05,027 --> 00:04:07,187 Speaker 2: use is it to start? Is it to come on 86 00:04:07,267 --> 00:04:10,427 Speaker 2: and really apply pressure and sort of the back end 87 00:04:10,427 --> 00:04:11,027 Speaker 2: of matches. 88 00:04:12,387 --> 00:04:16,107 Speaker 5: I think they'll look at that and see who's he's 89 00:04:16,107 --> 00:04:19,147 Speaker 5: scrumming against and the opposition scrums and how they best 90 00:04:19,187 --> 00:04:21,827 Speaker 5: employ him. You know, if they think that they're coming 91 00:04:21,867 --> 00:04:24,867 Speaker 5: up against a scrum that he can really dominate you 92 00:04:25,027 --> 00:04:27,867 Speaker 5: from the start that startup, well, wouldn't you have the 93 00:04:27,907 --> 00:04:28,987 Speaker 5: game one by halftime? 94 00:04:29,027 --> 00:04:30,187 Speaker 4: You know, and the. 95 00:04:30,067 --> 00:04:33,627 Speaker 5: Opposition that their forward pack, their mentality is shattered, you know, 96 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:36,387 Speaker 5: because they can't compete at scrum time or you know, 97 00:04:37,427 --> 00:04:41,227 Speaker 5: as someone like the Bomb squad, the South Africans employee, 98 00:04:41,227 --> 00:04:43,747 Speaker 5: you may want to bring them on to show things 99 00:04:43,787 --> 00:04:47,267 Speaker 5: up when they change out their forward pack after fifty 100 00:04:47,307 --> 00:04:50,427 Speaker 5: five minutes. And the ideal to be able to introduce 101 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:53,067 Speaker 5: someone like Fletcher who has got to put it on 102 00:04:53,147 --> 00:04:55,667 Speaker 5: people and he's showing it in the test in and 103 00:04:55,667 --> 00:04:59,267 Speaker 5: now that he can really upset and dominate at scrum time. 104 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:01,587 Speaker 2: And Fabian Holand you've mentioned him, you mentioned him a 105 00:05:01,627 --> 00:05:04,187 Speaker 2: pre game when we spoke yesterday and alluded to him 106 00:05:04,467 --> 00:05:07,507 Speaker 2: earlier on in our chat today. One of very few 107 00:05:07,507 --> 00:05:10,667 Speaker 2: players to play every minute of the series. What's impressed 108 00:05:10,707 --> 00:05:14,827 Speaker 2: you most about his his you know, seemingly seamless introduction 109 00:05:14,907 --> 00:05:16,867 Speaker 2: into Test rugby, his. 110 00:05:17,307 --> 00:05:19,907 Speaker 5: Ability to complete. You know you made mentioned early on 111 00:05:19,907 --> 00:05:23,027 Speaker 5: about his tackle count. You thirty seven tackles in this 112 00:05:23,107 --> 00:05:26,267 Speaker 5: first two tests, none missed, no miss tackles. Everyone was 113 00:05:26,267 --> 00:05:29,907 Speaker 5: a completion. I think his accuracy and his attention to 114 00:05:29,987 --> 00:05:33,667 Speaker 5: detail for a young player introduced is quite astounding. I 115 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,387 Speaker 5: think if he can he can build on that and 116 00:05:36,347 --> 00:05:40,387 Speaker 5: start introducing some more little subtleties as he gains confidence. 117 00:05:40,747 --> 00:05:43,027 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's going to be world class. 118 00:05:43,067 --> 00:05:47,387 Speaker 5: And the most impressive thing is that he just seems 119 00:05:47,427 --> 00:05:49,507 Speaker 5: to be enjoying every moment out there. 120 00:05:49,547 --> 00:05:50,827 Speaker 4: You know, he's not overalled at all. 121 00:05:50,907 --> 00:05:54,147 Speaker 5: He's just loving the environment and stepping up big time 122 00:05:54,227 --> 00:05:55,867 Speaker 5: to play for his adopted country. 123 00:05:56,427 --> 00:05:58,907 Speaker 2: What did you make of Damien McKenzie's performance last night. 124 00:05:59,787 --> 00:06:01,907 Speaker 5: I wasn't classic damer. I think the French had a 125 00:06:01,947 --> 00:06:06,107 Speaker 5: really good job of reading him. He watched a couple 126 00:06:06,107 --> 00:06:07,947 Speaker 5: of times particular, and they seem to like have a 127 00:06:07,987 --> 00:06:10,387 Speaker 5: dig on them. Some of that was just one of 128 00:06:10,387 --> 00:06:13,627 Speaker 5: the loosies and or inside backs in particular. We're just 129 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:18,307 Speaker 5: tracking him. They know his ability to counterattack ball in 130 00:06:18,387 --> 00:06:22,427 Speaker 5: hand if there's a turnover ball or if a mismatch 131 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:26,587 Speaker 5: in the defensive system. So they tracked him really well 132 00:06:26,627 --> 00:06:29,387 Speaker 5: and just made sure that they completed tackles on him, 133 00:06:29,387 --> 00:06:31,907 Speaker 5: because you've seen it so many times in both the 134 00:06:32,027 --> 00:06:35,267 Speaker 5: Super Rubi and International his ability to skip through a 135 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:38,347 Speaker 5: gap that shouldn't really be there, or just bamboozle a 136 00:06:38,427 --> 00:06:40,387 Speaker 5: defensive structure and get someone to go the wrong way 137 00:06:40,427 --> 00:06:44,627 Speaker 5: and he can go through the gap. I think that 138 00:06:44,707 --> 00:06:47,267 Speaker 5: was a ploy from the French to contain him, and 139 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:49,787 Speaker 5: they did a really good job on that. Some of 140 00:06:49,867 --> 00:06:52,427 Speaker 5: his kicks, you know, you can improve on. I don't 141 00:06:52,427 --> 00:06:54,507 Speaker 5: think it was a bad performance from and any means, 142 00:06:54,507 --> 00:06:57,947 Speaker 5: but it was just a quiet performance by his own standards. 143 00:06:58,147 --> 00:07:00,107 Speaker 2: You mentioned the number of players who have been exposed 144 00:07:00,147 --> 00:07:02,507 Speaker 2: to test rugby. I think six new debutantes thirty three 145 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:05,507 Speaker 2: players used across the three games. Steve, is there a 146 00:07:05,547 --> 00:07:10,227 Speaker 2: concern about the drop off I guess between the top 147 00:07:10,267 --> 00:07:12,827 Speaker 2: guy and the rest In a couple of key positions. 148 00:07:12,827 --> 00:07:16,147 Speaker 2: I'm talking hooker with Cody Taylor and half back with 149 00:07:16,227 --> 00:07:18,427 Speaker 2: Cam Royguard. There just seems to be a big gap 150 00:07:18,507 --> 00:07:19,707 Speaker 2: back to the others. 151 00:07:20,747 --> 00:07:23,267 Speaker 5: That says a lot about Cody Taylor and Cam Rouyguard. 152 00:07:23,307 --> 00:07:26,267 Speaker 5: You know, they are through truly world class players. But 153 00:07:26,387 --> 00:07:31,787 Speaker 5: I think Raises trying hard to introduce players and get 154 00:07:31,787 --> 00:07:33,947 Speaker 5: them up to speed, you know, and the only way 155 00:07:33,947 --> 00:07:35,507 Speaker 5: to do that is you've got to test and give 156 00:07:35,507 --> 00:07:39,467 Speaker 5: them opportunities and time in the middle as just goal 157 00:07:39,547 --> 00:07:42,507 Speaker 5: for any player, and we've seen all sorts of different 158 00:07:42,507 --> 00:07:44,707 Speaker 5: players how they develop over their careers. You know, sometimes 159 00:07:44,747 --> 00:07:46,107 Speaker 5: they have a rough start and turn out to be 160 00:07:46,707 --> 00:07:49,187 Speaker 5: a mainstay in the team that they need time to 161 00:07:49,227 --> 00:07:51,587 Speaker 5: do so, and if there is a drop off and 162 00:07:51,627 --> 00:07:55,867 Speaker 5: performance in how the team's run on the field, and 163 00:07:56,307 --> 00:07:59,947 Speaker 5: I think Raising and his crew will be investing a 164 00:07:59,987 --> 00:08:02,947 Speaker 5: lot of time in the next tier down trying to 165 00:08:02,947 --> 00:08:03,627 Speaker 5: get them up, you know. 166 00:08:03,907 --> 00:08:05,947 Speaker 4: And what a wonderful opportunity for all. 167 00:08:05,827 --> 00:08:07,787 Speaker 5: Blacks to have have the likes of a Cody Taylor 168 00:08:07,867 --> 00:08:11,547 Speaker 5: came roygad for those guys to aspire to. They can 169 00:08:11,627 --> 00:08:14,347 Speaker 5: see the level every day in training where they need 170 00:08:14,387 --> 00:08:16,867 Speaker 5: to be. So yeah, yeah, I don't think we'd be 171 00:08:16,907 --> 00:08:18,627 Speaker 5: too concerned at this stage in the you know, the 172 00:08:18,627 --> 00:08:21,467 Speaker 5: four year cycle, but yeah, they would be looking for 173 00:08:21,747 --> 00:08:23,427 Speaker 5: those players to come up to that level. 174 00:08:23,707 --> 00:08:26,307 Speaker 2: I think we all expected the French to be not 175 00:08:26,467 --> 00:08:30,227 Speaker 2: at their best, a supposed second string side coming over here, Steve, 176 00:08:30,267 --> 00:08:32,707 Speaker 2: were you surprised at the at the strength of the 177 00:08:32,907 --> 00:08:34,147 Speaker 2: of the French team. 178 00:08:34,747 --> 00:08:37,107 Speaker 5: I'm not at all point, you know, come out of 179 00:08:37,107 --> 00:08:38,547 Speaker 5: one of the best competition in the world and the 180 00:08:38,547 --> 00:08:41,427 Speaker 5: top car tours, and look, I was really disappointed in 181 00:08:41,507 --> 00:08:44,307 Speaker 5: some of the commentary early on before that even played 182 00:08:44,307 --> 00:08:47,307 Speaker 5: a game about you know, the caliber of the team 183 00:08:47,307 --> 00:08:49,107 Speaker 5: that was coming out, and it was an insult and 184 00:08:49,347 --> 00:08:51,667 Speaker 5: disrespectful and a whole of other. 185 00:08:51,547 --> 00:08:53,347 Speaker 4: Nonsense that was being created around. 186 00:08:53,627 --> 00:08:56,707 Speaker 5: I think we got showed last night that France is 187 00:08:56,747 --> 00:08:59,827 Speaker 5: one of the premiere competitions in the world and world 188 00:08:59,907 --> 00:09:01,867 Speaker 5: rugby at the moment, and those players coming out of 189 00:09:01,907 --> 00:09:04,907 Speaker 5: it are world class. You know, they are his breath 190 00:09:04,947 --> 00:09:06,267 Speaker 5: away from from tipping us up last. 191 00:09:06,467 --> 00:09:06,587 Speaker 4: Right. 192 00:09:07,827 --> 00:09:11,587 Speaker 5: I just think that has shown how much depth the 193 00:09:11,627 --> 00:09:14,547 Speaker 5: French do carry in their playing court at the moment. 194 00:09:14,587 --> 00:09:16,747 Speaker 5: You know, they've got world class players, not just from 195 00:09:16,747 --> 00:09:20,067 Speaker 5: one to sixteen seventeen as I had in the past 196 00:09:20,107 --> 00:09:21,907 Speaker 5: and that there wasn't a lot of depth. They've got 197 00:09:21,947 --> 00:09:25,467 Speaker 5: depth from numbers you know, one right through to sixty 198 00:09:25,547 --> 00:09:27,107 Speaker 5: sixty five that are capable. 199 00:09:26,827 --> 00:09:28,227 Speaker 4: Of playing international football. 200 00:09:28,267 --> 00:09:30,667 Speaker 5: So I think we've got a little bit of a 201 00:09:30,947 --> 00:09:34,067 Speaker 5: reality check and a jolt in our psyche just how 202 00:09:34,107 --> 00:09:37,987 Speaker 5: good the French competition is and perhaps we aren't as 203 00:09:37,987 --> 00:09:39,227 Speaker 5: far ahead as we thought we were. 204 00:09:39,547 --> 00:09:41,627 Speaker 2: And Tez Rugby and Hamilton for the first time in 205 00:09:41,667 --> 00:09:43,547 Speaker 2: three years, that's an awfully long time hope it's not 206 00:09:43,587 --> 00:09:47,227 Speaker 2: three more years because I think that stadium's terrific, rectangular, 207 00:09:47,307 --> 00:09:50,227 Speaker 2: The crowd are right there at great atmosphere last night. 208 00:09:50,387 --> 00:09:53,387 Speaker 2: What's the feeling around around the White Cut the region 209 00:09:53,427 --> 00:09:57,747 Speaker 2: about the likelihood of more regular test matches here? 210 00:09:58,507 --> 00:09:59,747 Speaker 4: Oh, we love it. You know. 211 00:10:00,107 --> 00:10:03,827 Speaker 5: They're just a passionate crowd in the way the surrounding areas. 212 00:10:04,307 --> 00:10:07,507 Speaker 5: A lot of people come up from the country, across 213 00:10:07,507 --> 00:10:10,507 Speaker 5: from the Bay, a lot dropped down from from South Auckland, 214 00:10:10,507 --> 00:10:12,907 Speaker 5: you know. So it's got it's got a massive feeder 215 00:10:13,187 --> 00:10:15,867 Speaker 5: group of people that can easily get to the stadium 216 00:10:15,947 --> 00:10:19,907 Speaker 5: and it's a wonderful occasion. They know it has limitations 217 00:10:19,947 --> 00:10:22,867 Speaker 5: on capacity and revenue is a big driver, so it's 218 00:10:22,867 --> 00:10:26,227 Speaker 5: hard to get those sort of a level test matches 219 00:10:26,467 --> 00:10:28,587 Speaker 5: against you know, the top tier nations, the top eight 220 00:10:28,627 --> 00:10:31,707 Speaker 5: they come here. But yeah, we had one last night 221 00:10:31,787 --> 00:10:34,907 Speaker 5: and just been down the street today to grab a 222 00:10:34,947 --> 00:10:38,027 Speaker 5: coffee and everyone talking about it. There's still ends of 223 00:10:38,107 --> 00:10:41,787 Speaker 5: our staff and supporters, you know, close supporters of both 224 00:10:41,787 --> 00:10:45,067 Speaker 5: teams around in the Health and East Village and so 225 00:10:45,307 --> 00:10:48,307 Speaker 5: it's just it's just great for the region and I 226 00:10:48,347 --> 00:10:50,347 Speaker 5: really hope that they do try and shear them around 227 00:10:50,667 --> 00:10:52,187 Speaker 5: and not just why can you know some of the 228 00:10:52,227 --> 00:10:55,467 Speaker 5: other provinces too, and if they can get tests out 229 00:10:55,507 --> 00:10:58,787 Speaker 5: to the province, it just is such a boost to 230 00:10:59,107 --> 00:11:03,107 Speaker 5: those areas for for rugby and it's great for those 231 00:11:03,147 --> 00:11:06,587 Speaker 5: regions to enjoy the celebrations and all the peripheral act 232 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:09,387 Speaker 5: that goes on around a test match and just then 233 00:11:09,427 --> 00:11:12,307 Speaker 5: interaction between people and bringing people together around our great 234 00:11:12,307 --> 00:11:12,867 Speaker 5: game rugby. 235 00:11:12,987 --> 00:11:16,067 Speaker 2: YEH could not agree more. Loved working alongside you last night, Steve. 236 00:11:16,067 --> 00:11:17,187 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time today. 237 00:11:17,507 --> 00:11:18,987 Speaker 4: Cheers Piney, have a good one. Go well. 238 00:11:19,347 --> 00:11:21,627 Speaker 2: You go well too, Steve. Thanks indeed, Steve Gordon, former 239 00:11:21,707 --> 00:11:25,747 Speaker 2: All Blacks Locke and expert analyst on our radio calls 240 00:11:25,787 --> 00:11:27,867 Speaker 2: not only for the All Blacks here in Hamilton, but 241 00:11:27,947 --> 00:11:31,787 Speaker 2: chiefs and WAKUFT or MPC as well, alongside our great 242 00:11:31,867 --> 00:11:33,427 Speaker 2: mate Graham Minty Mead. 243 00:11:34,187 --> 00:11:37,387 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live 244 00:11:37,507 --> 00:11:40,787 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday or follow 245 00:11:40,827 --> 00:11:42,427 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.